Money is the ultimate anti-faith. It doesn't require faith to go to the store and buy what you desire. It doesn't involve faith when you save money for a rainy day. Money has no place in faith. Money has no place in God nor the kingdom of heaven. Money creates vacuums in which some have too little and some have too much. Money is the problem not the solution. Faith allows us to accept Gods grace without the confusion involved. Love money or Love God. One is the wrong answer and one is the right.
2 Peter 2:2-3 2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
2 Peter 2:1 1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Timothy 4: 3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
God is not against folk prospering. His number one aim is your soul, not your pocket book. What shall it profit to gain the whole world and lose your soul? Ministers should preach the whole gospel, which is seek ye first the kingdom of God. There is no glory in poverty and in being poor. Jesus was given millions in gold as a child by the Magi. Mary did not give it to the Salvation Army or Goodwill. We must keep HIM centered stage as we believe for money. Again, poverty is a spirit.
Well PAstor again how much of this FAITH should we have becasue Jesus said it should be as small as a mustard seed, Now shouldnt we all be RICH. My tomorrow is better that today becasue God is with me not becasue He wants me RICH. Damn You
The biblen says faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Forget!!!!!!! you cant practise to have faith. Everything is given by measure by the Grace of God, you cant practise or learn it. STOP STOP
Not True; We have spiritualized faith! That same bible says God has given EVERY MAN a measure of faith. Faith is a human gift given by God. In the New Testament, Jesus was always amazed how the unChurched had more faith then the Church. The today's church is dirt poor because of bad teaching. Faith has been reduced to given money to convince God to bless us. Yes, the word helps one's faith when heard, but it is NOT the MEASURE that has been given to EVERY HUMAN BEING. Continue..........
My friend is not a Christian and has never tried to pretend as if she is. She adopted five children years ago; one baby had AIDS. Because she had heard her Non Christian father say "Faith can move mountains," she decided to have faith for her illed baby. The child (girl) is 18 and AIDS free. Doctor after doctor has tested and retested. My friend Maria was and still is unmoved by their disbelief in her daughter's healing. Again, the Church has spiritualized faith and killed it.
But you say your faith will get you riches and I am saying my faith must lead me close to God. See the difference. You see the bible says that we dont get becasue are hearts are not in the right place and we should ask so we give to the poor now that should be your thinking as a christian and sorry but God searches the heart and I He caresless how much to will learn to manipulate your faith
Faith is not neccessarily meant to get people RICH please do not kill the word of God. You do understand that whatever measure of faith you are given is it by God's grace meaning it is His will? You clearly are not a spiritual person you are comparing yourself to the world which belongs to the devil. Remember when Satan told Jesus he would give Him the Kingdoms of this world and it sriches?? and you want to compare wordly people to your faith in Chrsit on riches??
I am not saying God is against man prospering becasue He promised to prosper us but He never said HOW so who are we to say its money?? I doubt that God cares about riches than our souls. All I am asking is these teachers should not base the gospel on riches and money and big cars, big houses and jets but on the kingdom of God becasue the bible tells us our reward is in heaven not here.
No I attended the prosperity church. I am currently reading the bible on my own. I am at a stage where this world means nothing to me and everything in it. Money can never buy you peace and Joy in Christ. I have a car I bought through the bank and I could not pay for it for a year. the bank never called to take the car instead they called me to tell me I can pay a quarter of my installment. Isnt that God, I didnt ask Him for riches I told Him I need my car but He knows what is best for me.
OH Pastor I thought God gave wealth not FAITH. What the hell is wrong with today's gospel. Why cant you preach God wants you to come to Him and that God will take care of you. God is in charge of everything and blesses as He wishes.
prosperity and making money are too differnt concepts, anybody who follows the right principles will end up financially rich but riches financially cant be defined as prosperity even if its an aspect of it, we just need to study what that word really meanings and what steps and requirement is need to experience true prosperity not just making money, coz even people who dont believe what we believe have money and lots of it i might hard
It is certainly true that people who are not Christians or who are even against Christianity can make lost of money, take Steve Ballmer for one instance. But the point of the prosperity message, which everyone seems to be missing, is: Who is the source of your prosperity? In what or whom do you trust for your riches? Dishonest Christian businessmen are not trusting God for their prosperity.
Thank you for your preach, it helped me a whole lot. The just will live by faith so by faith I confess that God has given me everything. Bless you pastor
Luke 8:14The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature.
1 Timothy 6:9 People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. Revelation 3:17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
so ur saying god wants u to be poor. That does not make sense. god doesnt want us t lack any thing. the bible even say "the lord is my shepard and i shall not want" want meaning lack
No I am not trying to tell you either! I am telling you that the Bible does not teach prosperity. My point it that this video teaches a lie. God is not a lottery game! If you follow Jesus you may be asked to sell all of your possessions. You may become a martyr and die of the sake of Christ. I hate this teaching, it is nothing but lies and is not of the gospel of Christ. If you want an example of what it is to follow Christ, look at the early Church, they sold all of there possessions.
The Prosperity gospel is straight from Hell. Ask the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 and 12 and you will get an idea of what following Jesus may get you. You'll be rich alright. You will be rich in glorifying Christ Jesus. Just look at what money and the greed of has done to America. The majority of the time money is a curse. Run from this garbage, and run into the hands of the Father, though His Son Jesus Christ. What you are watching is not a gospel at all. But a lie!
1 Timothy 6:17-19 (New International Version) 17Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age,
Thank you for you your comment! You just make the greatest point in this discussion. You take Gods Word out of content to your shame: 1 Timothy 6:6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET RICH fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10For the
10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. 11But you, man of God, FLEE FROM ALL OF THIS, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13In the sight of God, who gives life to everything,
and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen
i am trying to say that we if we put our hope in god he richly provides us with EVERYTHING for our enjoyment, like 1 timothy 6: 17 says. The scripture you just mentioned refers to THE LOVE OF MONEY, you could have a love for money even if you didn't have a dime. Instead of relying on money, or having a love of money to provide for things, we put our trust in god to provide everything for our enjoyment! God even promises it in 3 john 2 "beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper
Let me ask you a question! Was the Apostle Pauls martyr a curse or a blessing? It is estimated that 1000 Christians are martyred daily. Is this a curse or a blessing?
> you say for our enjoyment! The earth is not our home!
you say may you prosper! The word prosper means that all might go well with you. Not Financially!
God! Do not use the lower case g. as it stands for the evil one!
Read the book of Acts and you will learn about money
1. Don't get so angry because you want to ask me a question.
2.prosper means everything he doesn't count out fianance, that's just not scriptural. It says in 1 timothy 6:17 "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with EVERYTHING for our ENJOYMENT." Where does it in the bible disclude finance out of prosper. Prospering is going well in everything.
What that scripture is saying that you shouldn't put your hope in wealth but to put your hope in God because he will give you everything, i will say that again, EVERYTHING for our enjoyment. It says "the lord is my shepherd and i shall not want" (does it say "except finance.")
i think if you truely beleive in this 'gosple' of rubbish it is hurting your relationship with Jesus.
Purely and simple the 'prosperity gosple' is never preached in the bible.. if we look at Jesus when his parents made a sacrific for his birth what was it.. a mear bird which was what only the poorest of the poor could afford. also if we move forward to Luke 9 & 10 Jesus telling the 12 and 72 that they will be poor and will have to stay in peoples places and dine and sleep with them
I think knowing that I will prosper (and I am prospering now) because I put my trust in God to provide EVERYTHING i need and want, is not a weakness, the scriptures you are talking about are talking about trusting in money, not God.
also do you think money is something that is essential.. or is it something that you desire and want because you dont trust and fully rely on God and the contentment we have in him. True contentment comes througha strong relationshi with God.. not about the amount of "0's" that come in your bank account after the $ sign... the book of timothy is a great place to read about our attitude to money time, 3:2-4,6:2-4,6:10, also heb13:5 and acts8:20 shows peters attitude towards money further more
Look all i am saying is that I BELIEVE THAT THE LORD WILL PROVIDE THE MONEY, LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS TO! it also says that he gives generously for our enoyment!
really does the bible actually say that God will provide us with 'money' or just provide for us... i feel there is a massive distinction here as in never mentions money does it.... God "provides everything for our enjoyment'.. dont see how you get money out of that.. do you not think it could be the breath that God provides for you, or the ability to walk which God provides for you... you are substituting an argument or idea into Gods word which is NEVER there or spoken about
well it does say "everything". When it says "everything" does that mean it discludes finance? I mean when u say "everything" only means certain things, that's like changing what the bible says. God promises prosperity in 3 john 2! The word never says you shouldn't believe for money; it says that the love of money and putting your trust in money is bad. You see I don't put my trust in money to provide, I put my trust in god to provide; whether its money or something else.
Also whenever the the bible talks about receiving it talks about EVERYTHING. The word NEVER leaves out finance when he talks about receiving. 1 john 5: 14 says :And this is the confidence that we have in him: if we ask for ANYTHING according to his will, he listens to us. 15And if we know that he listens to our requests, we can be sure that we have what we ask him for. And you cannot deny what the word of god says.
also ill show you jstu one out of many weeknesses of the prosperity "gospel".. that to get anything for them to argue on they have to take the bible out of contex.. like you are doing!1 john5:14 is about what. not about money.. but concluding remarks after a whole chapter talkign about Faith in the Son of God. see there is no where which backs any argument you have and therefore you have to butcher the bible to get even a hit of a decent argument which still fails
fristly God doesnt promise prosperity in 3 John 2.. casue there is NO such chapter. You are putting your trust in money, becasue you are trying to believe that God will provided you with that money. let me ask you this.. if God says he will provide us with everything.. If i believe God will provide me with a BMW will i get it? no God gives to us what we need and seein as you are sittin at a computer you are in the top 5% of the wealthyest people in the world i think you dont have a lack of money
OK firstly, I wasn't taking anything out of context. I was pointing out that it says "EVERYTHING " its not specifying certain things, its saying EVERYTHING, the chapter does talk about faith and that's what you need in faith, to believe that the has heard you and answered to whatever you ask. Just like Mark 11:24, Mathew 7:7, timothy 6:17 and Psalm 23. Now they all tell you that he provides EVERYTHING and you cannot deny it because that's what the word says.
Sorry I meant to say 3 John verse 2. And have you read timothy 6:17 It says to put your trust in God who gives us RICHLY ALL THINGS to enjoy. You see, when the bible talks about money badly its talking about the love of money or putting your trust in money e.g: the LOVE of money is the roots of all evil. ask yourself this, could you have the love of money even if you didn't have a dime? It's not saying your supposed to be poor or not wealthy.....
once again, seeing as there is no direct statement its all fluff to make these arguments. psalm23 bit odd.. dont see how it suits your argument at all. "timothy 6:17 It says to put your trust in God who gives us RICHLY ALL THINGS to enjoy" this is true, but once again.. where deos it say money.. have you every thought the death of Jesus so may get eternal life may have been greats thing for us to enjoy?
also why do you think that yo have the right to any money/wealth even if the bible did ever talk about it which we can see it doesnt..? are you so discontent with the life God has given you that you think you deserve money to make it better. maybe your desire should to be more like Christ then for money.. not only was Jesus poor but humbled himself and was faithful to Gods plan and lived the life God placed him in and worked in this situation to Glorify God
I love when people teach the word of God the way it is meant.Many people are still doubting that God wants good for their life.All things are for his glory.THose people who are against money or wealth and prosperity are hypocrites because they use money and work for it,a bunch of pharisees.
I guess you are against the Apostle Paul 2 Corinthians 11: 23-29 - I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits,
in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?
Are you stupid?This was obviously in the times when the gospel was being spread.When the days were dark and the disciples were lights unto the world.Trust me people like you are starting to bring the darkages again.Now we are in a time where we can live peaceful what the disciple prayed for us,this is the promised land for us and if people like you keep arguing we will lose it.
Your sticky candy coated so-called gospel makes me vomit. I have no Idea where you are getting this stuff. Because it doesn't come from God's Word. Millions of children die each day and you say God wants everyone to be rich and peaceful. Your comment makes no sense. Peace?
I wonder why Jesus said in Matthew 10: 34-36a"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' America, the promise land. Heaven is the promise land for believers.
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
if ull have some time to answer me or to guide me in any way i would be very greatfull
i know deep down in my heart i have great things to offer to the world...but im soooo very far away from the path...and im so lost...that i dont see a way out of this
....because i got soooooo fixed that im too smart in some situations and stupid in others and soooooooooooo sooooooo fixed that i dont deserve anything, that i lost precious time without getting the most of it,that i must sabotage my self ,my life ,my everything in order to get it right again,.....and ohh my God,i was ,still am,soo sooo wrong....the problem is i dont know how to grow,how to heal my soul,to feel right,to get on the right track
Keep trusting in Christ.YOu cant do nothing by yourself.When God has a path and shows you to follow it do it.Keep trusting him,and when you get to where you are give him glory.
i watched the video 4 the money word...but in the end i realise i have no faith...actually i knew it,deep inside,but not admit it with loud voice...many years i thought i said 2 me that i have it...but was an ilusion...cause i dont feel it deep in me,in my heart...i dont feel a thing...i just pretend and i lie to my self that i have...thats why my life is so meanless...thats why i lost everything
If you have faith than you would forgive others.If you had faith you would love others.If you had faith you would sing to the Lord when no one is around and give him glory for your salvation,even if you doubt he is listening trust in your heart and keep singing.
Money is the ultimate anti-faith. It doesn't require faith to go to the store and buy what you desire. It doesn't involve faith when you save money for a rainy day. Money has no place in faith. Money has no place in God nor the kingdom of heaven. Money creates vacuums in which some have too little and some have too much. Money is the problem not the solution. Faith allows us to accept Gods grace without the confusion involved. Love money or Love God. One is the wrong answer and one is the right.
vexxisthewise 2 weeks ago
2 Peter 2:2-3 2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
VirgilWlkr 3 months ago
2 Peter 2:1 1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
VirgilWlkr 3 months ago
2 Timothy 4: 3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
VirgilWlkr 3 months ago
The rightousness people live on their faith
yenhoang93 1 year ago
This Pastor is a Coward and he is going to the Depths of Hell!
yourboyken 1 year ago
God is not against folk prospering. His number one aim is your soul, not your pocket book. What shall it profit to gain the whole world and lose your soul? Ministers should preach the whole gospel, which is seek ye first the kingdom of God. There is no glory in poverty and in being poor. Jesus was given millions in gold as a child by the Magi. Mary did not give it to the Salvation Army or Goodwill. We must keep HIM centered stage as we believe for money. Again, poverty is a spirit.
deliveredin2009 2 years ago
Well PAstor again how much of this FAITH should we have becasue Jesus said it should be as small as a mustard seed, Now shouldnt we all be RICH. My tomorrow is better that today becasue God is with me not becasue He wants me RICH. Damn You
kennysandiso99 2 years ago
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deliveredin2009 2 years ago
The biblen says faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Forget!!!!!!! you cant practise to have faith. Everything is given by measure by the Grace of God, you cant practise or learn it. STOP STOP
kennysandiso99 2 years ago
Not True; We have spiritualized faith! That same bible says God has given EVERY MAN a measure of faith. Faith is a human gift given by God. In the New Testament, Jesus was always amazed how the unChurched had more faith then the Church. The today's church is dirt poor because of bad teaching. Faith has been reduced to given money to convince God to bless us. Yes, the word helps one's faith when heard, but it is NOT the MEASURE that has been given to EVERY HUMAN BEING. Continue..........
deliveredin2009 2 years ago
My friend is not a Christian and has never tried to pretend as if she is. She adopted five children years ago; one baby had AIDS. Because she had heard her Non Christian father say "Faith can move mountains," she decided to have faith for her illed baby. The child (girl) is 18 and AIDS free. Doctor after doctor has tested and retested. My friend Maria was and still is unmoved by their disbelief in her daughter's healing. Again, the Church has spiritualized faith and killed it.
deliveredin2009 2 years ago
But you say your faith will get you riches and I am saying my faith must lead me close to God. See the difference. You see the bible says that we dont get becasue are hearts are not in the right place and we should ask so we give to the poor now that should be your thinking as a christian and sorry but God searches the heart and I He caresless how much to will learn to manipulate your faith
kennysandiso99 2 years ago
Faith is not neccessarily meant to get people RICH please do not kill the word of God. You do understand that whatever measure of faith you are given is it by God's grace meaning it is His will? You clearly are not a spiritual person you are comparing yourself to the world which belongs to the devil. Remember when Satan told Jesus he would give Him the Kingdoms of this world and it sriches?? and you want to compare wordly people to your faith in Chrsit on riches??
kennysandiso99 2 years ago
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deliveredin2009 2 years ago
I am not saying God is against man prospering becasue He promised to prosper us but He never said HOW so who are we to say its money?? I doubt that God cares about riches than our souls. All I am asking is these teachers should not base the gospel on riches and money and big cars, big houses and jets but on the kingdom of God becasue the bible tells us our reward is in heaven not here.
kennysandiso99 2 years ago
No I attended the prosperity church. I am currently reading the bible on my own. I am at a stage where this world means nothing to me and everything in it. Money can never buy you peace and Joy in Christ. I have a car I bought through the bank and I could not pay for it for a year. the bank never called to take the car instead they called me to tell me I can pay a quarter of my installment. Isnt that God, I didnt ask Him for riches I told Him I need my car but He knows what is best for me.
kennysandiso99 2 years ago
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deliveredin2009 2 years ago
Read what I wrote about my friend Maria, a non Christian.
deliveredin2009 2 years ago
OH Pastor I thought God gave wealth not FAITH. What the hell is wrong with today's gospel. Why cant you preach God wants you to come to Him and that God will take care of you. God is in charge of everything and blesses as He wishes.
kennysandiso99 2 years ago
prosperity and making money are too differnt concepts, anybody who follows the right principles will end up financially rich but riches financially cant be defined as prosperity even if its an aspect of it, we just need to study what that word really meanings and what steps and requirement is need to experience true prosperity not just making money, coz even people who dont believe what we believe have money and lots of it i might hard
stillhumble 2 years ago
It is certainly true that people who are not Christians or who are even against Christianity can make lost of money, take Steve Ballmer for one instance. But the point of the prosperity message, which everyone seems to be missing, is: Who is the source of your prosperity? In what or whom do you trust for your riches? Dishonest Christian businessmen are not trusting God for their prosperity.
Thanks for the comment
Greg
MarquezGreg 2 years ago
Thank you for your preach, it helped me a whole lot. The just will live by faith so by faith I confess that God has given me everything. Bless you pastor
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Crunch97 3 years ago
hahahaha you will say that forever and on top of it you will be giving him your pastor he will live by faith on your pocket ahahahah
kennysandiso99 2 years ago
Matthew 19:23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Luke 6:24 "But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
Luke 8:14The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature.
1 Timothy 6:9 People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. Revelation 3:17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
so ur saying god wants u to be poor. That does not make sense. god doesnt want us t lack any thing. the bible even say "the lord is my shepard and i shall not want" want meaning lack
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
No I am not trying to tell you either! I am telling you that the Bible does not teach prosperity. My point it that this video teaches a lie. God is not a lottery game! If you follow Jesus you may be asked to sell all of your possessions. You may become a martyr and die of the sake of Christ. I hate this teaching, it is nothing but lies and is not of the gospel of Christ. If you want an example of what it is to follow Christ, look at the early Church, they sold all of there possessions.
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
The Prosperity gospel is straight from Hell. Ask the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 and 12 and you will get an idea of what following Jesus may get you. You'll be rich alright. You will be rich in glorifying Christ Jesus. Just look at what money and the greed of has done to America. The majority of the time money is a curse. Run from this garbage, and run into the hands of the Father, though His Son Jesus Christ. What you are watching is not a gospel at all. But a lie!
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
1 Timothy 6:17-19 (New International Version) 17Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age,
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
Thank you for you your comment! You just make the greatest point in this discussion. You take Gods Word out of content to your shame: 1 Timothy 6:6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET RICH fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10For the
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. 11But you, man of God, FLEE FROM ALL OF THIS, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13In the sight of God, who gives life to everything,
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen
Instead wasting my time. Read God's Word!
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
i am trying to say that we if we put our hope in god he richly provides us with EVERYTHING for our enjoyment, like 1 timothy 6: 17 says. The scripture you just mentioned refers to THE LOVE OF MONEY, you could have a love for money even if you didn't have a dime. Instead of relying on money, or having a love of money to provide for things, we put our trust in god to provide everything for our enjoyment! God even promises it in 3 john 2 "beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
and be in health , even as thy soul prospereth." THATS A PROMISE FROM GOD!
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
Let me ask you a question! Was the Apostle Pauls martyr a curse or a blessing? It is estimated that 1000 Christians are martyred daily. Is this a curse or a blessing?
> you say for our enjoyment! The earth is not our home!
you say may you prosper! The word prosper means that all might go well with you. Not Financially!
God! Do not use the lower case g. as it stands for the evil one!
Read the book of Acts and you will learn about money
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
Better yet read the whole Bible and stop listening to these prosperity preacher who lie and tickle your ears with evil.
In the meantime I will pray that God will open your eyes!
If you want to boast, boast about your weakness like the Apostle Paul
2 Corinthians 11:21-30 (30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness). Just one verse, read the rest on your own.
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
I am nothing but a small sinful servant of God who has been sanctified by the Blood of the Lamb, may God open your eyes to the truth!
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
1. Don't get so angry because you want to ask me a question.
2.prosper means everything he doesn't count out fianance, that's just not scriptural. It says in 1 timothy 6:17 "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with EVERYTHING for our ENJOYMENT." Where does it in the bible disclude finance out of prosper. Prospering is going well in everything.
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
What that scripture is saying that you shouldn't put your hope in wealth but to put your hope in God because he will give you everything, i will say that again, EVERYTHING for our enjoyment. It says "the lord is my shepherd and i shall not want" (does it say "except finance.")
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
i think if you truely beleive in this 'gosple' of rubbish it is hurting your relationship with Jesus.
Purely and simple the 'prosperity gosple' is never preached in the bible.. if we look at Jesus when his parents made a sacrific for his birth what was it.. a mear bird which was what only the poorest of the poor could afford. also if we move forward to Luke 9 & 10 Jesus telling the 12 and 72 that they will be poor and will have to stay in peoples places and dine and sleep with them
rowdyis14777 3 years ago
I think knowing that I will prosper (and I am prospering now) because I put my trust in God to provide EVERYTHING i need and want, is not a weakness, the scriptures you are talking about are talking about trusting in money, not God.
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
You haven't listened to one word of God that I have sent you! You don't want the truth, you want to play a game. I am done!
Proverbs 10:19 When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise.
2 Timothy 2:23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
See ya! I am done!
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
also do you think money is something that is essential.. or is it something that you desire and want because you dont trust and fully rely on God and the contentment we have in him. True contentment comes througha strong relationshi with God.. not about the amount of "0's" that come in your bank account after the $ sign... the book of timothy is a great place to read about our attitude to money time, 3:2-4,6:2-4,6:10, also heb13:5 and acts8:20 shows peters attitude towards money further more
rowdyis14777 3 years ago
Look all i am saying is that I BELIEVE THAT THE LORD WILL PROVIDE THE MONEY, LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS TO! it also says that he gives generously for our enoyment!
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
really does the bible actually say that God will provide us with 'money' or just provide for us... i feel there is a massive distinction here as in never mentions money does it.... God "provides everything for our enjoyment'.. dont see how you get money out of that.. do you not think it could be the breath that God provides for you, or the ability to walk which God provides for you... you are substituting an argument or idea into Gods word which is NEVER there or spoken about
rowdyis14777 3 years ago
well it does say "everything". When it says "everything" does that mean it discludes finance? I mean when u say "everything" only means certain things, that's like changing what the bible says. God promises prosperity in 3 john 2! The word never says you shouldn't believe for money; it says that the love of money and putting your trust in money is bad. You see I don't put my trust in money to provide, I put my trust in god to provide; whether its money or something else.
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
Also whenever the the bible talks about receiving it talks about EVERYTHING. The word NEVER leaves out finance when he talks about receiving. 1 john 5: 14 says :And this is the confidence that we have in him: if we ask for ANYTHING according to his will, he listens to us. 15And if we know that he listens to our requests, we can be sure that we have what we ask him for. And you cannot deny what the word of god says.
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
also ill show you jstu one out of many weeknesses of the prosperity "gospel".. that to get anything for them to argue on they have to take the bible out of contex.. like you are doing!1 john5:14 is about what. not about money.. but concluding remarks after a whole chapter talkign about Faith in the Son of God. see there is no where which backs any argument you have and therefore you have to butcher the bible to get even a hit of a decent argument which still fails
rowdyis14777 3 years ago
fristly God doesnt promise prosperity in 3 John 2.. casue there is NO such chapter. You are putting your trust in money, becasue you are trying to believe that God will provided you with that money. let me ask you this.. if God says he will provide us with everything.. If i believe God will provide me with a BMW will i get it? no God gives to us what we need and seein as you are sittin at a computer you are in the top 5% of the wealthyest people in the world i think you dont have a lack of money
rowdyis14777 3 years ago
OK firstly, I wasn't taking anything out of context. I was pointing out that it says "EVERYTHING " its not specifying certain things, its saying EVERYTHING, the chapter does talk about faith and that's what you need in faith, to believe that the has heard you and answered to whatever you ask. Just like Mark 11:24, Mathew 7:7, timothy 6:17 and Psalm 23. Now they all tell you that he provides EVERYTHING and you cannot deny it because that's what the word says.
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
Sorry I meant to say 3 John verse 2. And have you read timothy 6:17 It says to put your trust in God who gives us RICHLY ALL THINGS to enjoy. You see, when the bible talks about money badly its talking about the love of money or putting your trust in money e.g: the LOVE of money is the roots of all evil. ask yourself this, could you have the love of money even if you didn't have a dime? It's not saying your supposed to be poor or not wealthy.....
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
but to be rich and richly give out, in timothy 6:17-18. And that's what the word of the living God says and you can't deny it.
jedreadproductions84 3 years ago
once again, seeing as there is no direct statement its all fluff to make these arguments. psalm23 bit odd.. dont see how it suits your argument at all. "timothy 6:17 It says to put your trust in God who gives us RICHLY ALL THINGS to enjoy" this is true, but once again.. where deos it say money.. have you every thought the death of Jesus so may get eternal life may have been greats thing for us to enjoy?
rowdyis14777 3 years ago
also why do you think that yo have the right to any money/wealth even if the bible did ever talk about it which we can see it doesnt..? are you so discontent with the life God has given you that you think you deserve money to make it better. maybe your desire should to be more like Christ then for money.. not only was Jesus poor but humbled himself and was faithful to Gods plan and lived the life God placed him in and worked in this situation to Glorify God
rowdyis14777 3 years ago
I love when people teach the word of God the way it is meant.Many people are still doubting that God wants good for their life.All things are for his glory.THose people who are against money or wealth and prosperity are hypocrites because they use money and work for it,a bunch of pharisees.
6gording6 3 years ago
I guess you are against the Apostle Paul 2 Corinthians 11: 23-29 - I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits,
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
Are you stupid?This was obviously in the times when the gospel was being spread.When the days were dark and the disciples were lights unto the world.Trust me people like you are starting to bring the darkages again.Now we are in a time where we can live peaceful what the disciple prayed for us,this is the promised land for us and if people like you keep arguing we will lose it.
6gording6 3 years ago
Your sticky candy coated so-called gospel makes me vomit. I have no Idea where you are getting this stuff. Because it doesn't come from God's Word. Millions of children die each day and you say God wants everyone to be rich and peaceful. Your comment makes no sense. Peace?
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
I wonder why Jesus said in Matthew 10: 34-36a"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' America, the promise land. Heaven is the promise land for believers.
Godpleaser77 3 years ago
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
6gording6 3 years ago
Well that is why the gospel needs to be preached.Tell me how many people did Jesus leave starving?Candy coated?Sorry I speak the truth.
6gording6 3 years ago
if ull have some time to answer me or to guide me in any way i would be very greatfull
i know deep down in my heart i have great things to offer to the world...but im soooo very far away from the path...and im so lost...that i dont see a way out of this
mayaXmas 3 years ago
Just trust in Jesus Christ.He will make the path visible.He is the light in the darkness.
6gording6 3 years ago
....because i got soooooo fixed that im too smart in some situations and stupid in others and soooooooooooo sooooooo fixed that i dont deserve anything, that i lost precious time without getting the most of it,that i must sabotage my self ,my life ,my everything in order to get it right again,.....and ohh my God,i was ,still am,soo sooo wrong....the problem is i dont know how to grow,how to heal my soul,to feel right,to get on the right track
mayaXmas 3 years ago
Keep trusting in Christ.YOu cant do nothing by yourself.When God has a path and shows you to follow it do it.Keep trusting him,and when you get to where you are give him glory.
6gording6 3 years ago
i watched the video 4 the money word...but in the end i realise i have no faith...actually i knew it,deep inside,but not admit it with loud voice...many years i thought i said 2 me that i have it...but was an ilusion...cause i dont feel it deep in me,in my heart...i dont feel a thing...i just pretend and i lie to my self that i have...thats why my life is so meanless...thats why i lost everything
mayaXmas 3 years ago
If you have faith than you would forgive others.If you had faith you would love others.If you had faith you would sing to the Lord when no one is around and give him glory for your salvation,even if you doubt he is listening trust in your heart and keep singing.
6gording6 3 years ago