I had goosebumps the whole time you were talking. This lucid dream stuff really amazes me. I believe you and that you shared the same dream. I remember once when me and my sister were little we had the same exact dream that we were having a picnik in font of our house with our grandma and a tiger excaped the zoo and was walking on our street and we had to go inside. We didn't tell eachother we both had the same dream so we thought that was real until one day we both were talking about it to our
I have had this twice, but not with a lucid dream Me and my best friend had the same dream on the same day. I told him I had that dream first so he could've just told me he had the same dream even though he didn't. But I trust him so I think he was telling the truth. And another time I had a dream and he had the same dream one night after, which he told me about first and I told him that mine was the same afterwards, and there is no way he could've known about my dream.
i was thinking about this earlier too and i have no idea if you can really do it but i believe that you can do it. and i had another good question if anyone has seen inception would lucid dreaming become like inception? will we need something to spin to make sure we are really awake?
not a coincidence, not god. i think our brains send out and recieve and log-on to other brains by the electronic frequencies or something like that the brain generates. a married couple had this happen to them--the connected pair of lucid dreams where they are exactly the same.
I have a lucid dream EVERY SINGLE NIGHT! No joke. I can be sitting at a window looking at the rain coming down and then will the rain to stop and the clouds disperse and the rain stops. I have alot of dreams where I meet dead relatives like they are still alive and well WITH people who are alive. I can be eating a cookie and then instantly I prefer to be eating cake and the cookie now turns into a cake. Alot of flying dreams but that dream I think is more astral projection than lucid dreaming
dude nice job!! you had a shared dream!! thats soooo epic..... Me and my friend are attempting right now to meet in a dream. In real life we created and drew out a little building in which we would like to meet. But NICE JOB dude
dream connecting is very possible! i believe it can happen and the only way possible to make it work is being lucid witch is very difficult for most people. the problem i have about dreaming is it take me sooo long to fall asleep. every time i feel myself getting deeper into complete relaxation i get exited about the dream ill have. yes i get excited i feel my heart rate increase as if i get excited about trying for a lucid dream cuz i want to soo bad and i cant control it. any advice?
I believe that we are all connected in consciousness and you in fact were in the same dream as your brother. This also happens with OBE or astral projection (another possible explanation of what you experienced), I can give you references if you are interested.
In short, the only thing that actually exists is consciousness and thought, therefore, it is easily possible for that to happen.
Over the summer you should set up an experiment with your brother. Go to sleep at the same time and if one of you become lucid, try contacting the other. If you keep getting consistant stories then you know for sure that you guys are communicating via dreams.
I felt compelled to respond to this. I obviously found it for a reason. A little over a week ago I had a very strange experience that I don't remember a lot of due to the fact that I haven't been paying much attention to my dreams lately. Nothing in the dream seemed like my own dream scenes and I know I was lucid. I saw the older me and the older version of the girl I was with and they gave me a really weird message. I know for a fact she also had to have had a similar experience that night
@aftertoke I guess the only question is... did she hear the same message I was delivering? There isn't enough room for me to even explain all of the things surrounding this experience and everything leading up to it. I guess the message that was delivered by the 'future me' and the mode of transportation in this dream will be the only way to prove that it really happened. There are reasons keeping me from talking to her right now and I don't even know what to do if she remembers the same thing
hey i been trying to have a Lucid Dream for years now and i still cant have a 100% lucid dream some times i know that i am dreaming but i still cant cuntrill it the most that i did was frezz the time in my dream but i cound not make my coine to t urn in to gold or anything uelss that i whant it to do can you or anyone help me
mmk you could've just been thinking, and actually have been awake...
Explanation
Dreams are indeed very vivid
however recalling of dreams is very difficult and in dream you wouldnt recall another dream......
The fact that both of you had the same dream is simply generalization your brother could've been dreaming that you both were flying but maybe in a plane or something like that.
Also check your math 1-infinity..? nah thats not math
@FilledCircle There's a flaw in this logic however. Assuming that the information he has given us is true: 1. He had a lucid dream. 2. He recalled his dream and remembered it. 3. He called his brother and let him tell his dream AFTER he has remembered the dream.
This means person A knows something, recalled it, gave it some thought, made up his mind and called B.
B told the story without knowing why A wanted to know it and told him his.
@FilledCircle Details they are, but they do not matter in the course of the dream, the small details I am talking about are things like clothes, appereance and slight differences per location. But in no way they could have totally different locals, if we are following what he did. The details are minor and actually not important in your theory.
@FilledCircle I'm done talking with you, you are avoiding my arguments and you keep saying the same thing, something that DOESN'T matter in your theory, you are trying to counter me and bomb me around with my information? That's not gonna work buddy, you gotta come up with something.
@Shadowmov3r you tried to start an argument and didnt make any sense, not my fault I dont want to argue with you because you know nothing about psychology or dreams
@FilledCircle Heh, what's your problem dude, I stated my arguments, and you haven't used any other arguments other than "they're still important, just cuz", "they prove this or that", no they don't you haven't even explained yourself. Just because a friend of you told you some funny information about psychology, or dreams, doesn't mean you've suddenly turned into the 10th dan of psychology, and even if you'd study these subjects, which I doubt, you gotta learn how to argument something. Jerk.
@Shadowmov3r first of all grammar, second of all I'm a psychology major, and lastly I've stated that i dont want to argue with someone whos only arguing just because they can, do you truly want to sway my opinion? even if yours is wrong?
@FilledCircle Seriously, it's youtube, be glat meye gramawr isnt liek dis.
And we are not talking about opinions, we are talking about a theory you came up with. I used counter arguments why the theory could be false, and the only argument you used is "they're still details" with no information why your argument could be right.
You're continiously avoiding the true subject, and try to bomb me about things you just made up, like swaying your opinion? And how can a theory be wrong.
@FilledCircle Hah! You are, you are avoiding the main topic, proof is the reply you made to me, and 2 replies before.
But it seems that we're more alike than I thought, I don't want to argue with you too, since you are lying against me, avoiding my arguements, even avoid the topic YOU brought up.
@FilledCircle Again, you avoided the true topic AGAIN. You're not arguing because you obviously don't know how to argue. I'm done with this, I'm stunned that someone like you could become a psychology major, another flaw in your country.
ive been trying really hard to lucid dream, i listen to hypnosis everynight, and i do believe that i had one, but it was really short and i vaguely remember it, are lucid dreams kind of scary? what do you feel when you first realize ur lucid dreaming.
@npage85 I'm a Christian, and I really don't see any problem with lucid dreaming - as long as you do not do any intentional lustful things in your dream :P I think this is a remarkable experience you and your brother experienced, and to be honest, have no idea how it happened :L
Your experience is not unheard of. What it demonstrates is the existence of telepathy or connections between minds. Usually it happens with people who have an emotional connection, and can happen even when they are thousands of miles apart. If your brother is your twin it's probably more likely to happen. Are you twins? Of course you could use Google and be directed to explanations and discussions of many people who have had similar experiences, and probably some websites about it.
You had a shared dream. Usually you are lucid when these 'shared' dreams happen. Sometimes you bring the other person into your dream without meaning to.
if this is true, its wierd, say if i had sex with a girl who had a bf and i had sex with her then convinced her she was in a dream...would tht girl then be awake or would she just stil;l be a dream character, cus if she truly awakens then in real life she wud be like 0.0 at me haha i was thinkin of havin sex witht he girl i like but if she cud become aware its kind creepy
Unbelievable. Nearly the same exact thing happened to my ex-girlfriend. I was in bed with her and she woke up and told me about this dream she had where she was hovering over her body and in control. She said it was amazing to fly and she started going into each of her roommates rooms and hovering over them and then went out flying around her town. She said she had total control and knew it was a dream. We woke up the next morning and sat down for breakfast w/ her roommates. One of them..
..just started talking about having a dream last night where my girlfriend was hovering over them. They said this without us saying anything about her dream. We just looked at each other in total shock. How do you feel about the collective unconscious?
You and your brother's cognate DNA somehow tapped into a parallel universe. The details, at this point in time, are beyond the understanding of modern science.
OR
Possibly, the energy or force that created the universe leaves behind a infinitesimal trace of itself in everything it creates, similar to how parents pass chromosomes down to their children. Somehow, your subconscious located that trace and became actively engaged in it... (expressing itself in creative free-space)
I'm a Christian and I love Lucid dreams, however I stopped trying to get into them because it felt like I opening the door to the occult, not because Lucid dreaming is itself, but it often leads to trying to Astral Project and such.
You know I am a Christian myself and I had been trying to get to the astral plane for sometime (I don't see how it is wrong) and the other day I was in a book store and this women walks up to me and says "you have been trying to get to the astral plane. I hope to see you there."
2 weeks later I thought I got to the astral plane and I could have sworn I heard he voice..
So all in all I believe you especialy with the amount of psychics in my life (and the ones speaking of me before I was born)
npage85@ is lucid dream the same as out of body experience i had lucid dream and i saw jesus and then i asked to see the antichrist thats where i was actually dragged out of my bed by evil spirit has that happened to you
Dude I want to l have a lucid dream. While I do not keep a dream journal, I am actually am to recall a good number of my dreams. Not in vivid details, but I remember alot of important elements. I hope to have a lucid dream soon.
That linked lucid dream experience reminds me of the movie "Inception". Maybe there is some way that since you are brothers, and both are dreaming, can link your brain waves, but thats just my hypothesis
VERY amazing!! I do believe that's true. That is an amazing thing and goes to show that there is more to dreaming than just the brain thinking or firing random neurons. I had a dream in which someone else I know had a similar dream. Although they were not the exact same, they were very similar. My friend didn't remember his dream until I mentioned a shopping cart, which had to do with him in my dream. Once mentioning the cart, he remembered the dream.
i once dreamt that i was a vampire chasing my friends around telling them im not one while they ran away. i realise its a dream then try to force myself to wake up while cant.
I think you an your brother shared the dream at the same time. I had a similar experience however the person I dreamed with had moved away before the shared dream. I have tried tracking him down bc I am convinced he was just as aware as you and your brother were. The person I shared a dream with explained to me in my dream that he was a very private person and the deep conversation we were having would not take place in waking life. We both did not know why we were in front of each other. Our d
Thanks for sharing your experience. You say that you both were in the same "dream", but that doesn't really describe where you were or how it happened.
You were actually in an alternate reality (not the one we all live in), and you and your brother were there at the same time, which is awesome. Through the law of attraction, you can have similar results in this reality, too; they just don't appear right away when you will them. You can will anything, it just takes time manifesting. Try it!
I believe you did indeed share the same dream. When you dream, your conscious and subconscious are connected, allowing your conscious perception to connect to the modem that is your subconscious. You shared a dream with your brother telepathically. What I can't explain is why it is possible.
My theory is that all brains are somehow connected.
Like, when you and someone are thinking about the exact same thing and bring it up. Or when you say the exact same thing as someone.
I've been in someone else's dream and they've remembered myself in their dreams. Maybe the brain is sort of connected to others, some unforeseen force.
I don't think you're telling the truth. It sounds like you read briefly on lucid dreaming, and made up a story you thought sounded like what a lucid dream would be like.
Here's the reasons I think you're lying:
1) You use the WILD technique to enter a dream upon going to bed.
2) It takes a lot more practice than "just trying the WILD technique" to go through all the levels of lucidity.
3) If you were truly lucid, you wouldn't need to convince your brother he was dreaming.
@gameboyoutoob no, flying does not wake you up. You wake up when you start to get distracted from something in the dream. While you are asleep there is no logic happening in your brain so if you are lucid and you realize you are dreaming but then you get distracted by lets say a purple person and if you dont remember that your dreaming then you may wake up or return to a normal dream. and poeple in your dreams will usually tell you that your not dreaming so you will have to convince them.
@curtisisadog let me correct myself.flying too fast will wake you up.Your brain can't come up with everything you see fast enough, so it sort of overloads. But maybe that's just me. :P Either that, or you'll get too much adrenaline, and any adrenaline at all wakes you up (according to a book I read.)And I don't understand your logic. Why would being distracted wake you up? I agree that it could make you loose lucidity, but why would you wake up?
Mistake: you can't just have a WILD upon going to bed. You have to figure out when you experience REM (it's tricky), then wake yourself up while in that state. Then when you go back to bed, you preform the WILD technique.
The thing is dreams are caused by day residue (stuff that happens in the day that we remember) paired with your drifting thoughts....So if you pair that with the theory of a collective mind, THEORETICALLY someone could subconsciously have your memory, or even the memory of that specific dream and pick up on it. And sense it is your brother he is probably more susceptible to common brain patterns... who knows.. interesting tho. Ive had just a few simi-similar situations myself.
Wow...really cool! Ive had some strange experiences in my life too, and while they are few and far inbetween, they have proven to me that there is more to our reality than what is on the surface, and that consciousness appears to be a non-local phenomenon.
Its amusing to see people in your comments try to tell you what you experienced, and that it cannot be possible. It only exposes their closed-mindedness and their urge to immediately attempt to disprove what they cannot explain.
When i see this, my immediate thought is that they are jealous that you had such an experience, because they had never had the likes of it before. I have witnessed others react the same way to my stories, or to stories that other people open up about that cannot be explained by reductionist science.
There are simply far too many people having far too many of these experiences for them to be ignored in the way that many still do.
I know for a fact shared dreaming is very real. But you're mistaken in assuming your brother was in your dream. Each participant in a shared dream experiences their own independent dream, although this does not negate the fact that it is still a "shared dream". We each create our own realities.
Shared dreams are never identical. There are always differences, but those differences are archetypal in nature, essentially describing the same thing, but tailored to the individual's perception.
Semantics...what you are pointing out is really pointless. We all knew what he meant, and finding the exact language in this particular example you used i did not find to be necessary. He probably feels/thinks this very point you made already, but didnt include it in this video.
Somewhere in a website called DreamViews, the is an article on shared dreaming in the message boards. There's a link and a member named WakingNomad's signature.
my first real lucid dream where i explored that world ended up with me and my brother in a room, me trying to convince him he was dreaming, by showing him the writing on the wall, before i woke up, i told him to call me so we could talk about it, but when i called him he didnt know anything about it
I've had 2 lucid dreams, the first one it was just awesome and I didn't want to wake up, so the only thing i did in my first lucid dream was try and stay asleep, and the second one was I just dreamed about places i had gone in some other good dreams i had
@npage85 hmmm are you sure your still not dreaming? maybe you were lucid dreaming that you were in a lucid dream (I.E. 2nd level dreaming) causing you to feel like it is real...
I've been trying to have lucid dreams for a long but I only have them at random not on command.
Tell me what you think of this thought... What if we are all in a shared dream (The people on the world). And what we think when we sleep is actually a 2nd level dream...
It kinda reminds me of The Matrix if you're really telling the truth. Two people connected to the same plain of thought... It's very similar, yet very..... Believeable.
I dunno man, if you're telling the truth, this could be like changing the perspective of dreaming. Like, instead of us all having our own personal dream in our heads, do we all go to these separate little, floating worlds that perhaps OTHER people can enter too, just like (again) THE MATRIX.
Amazing indeed. I see connections with some religions, but I would prefer finding a scientific explanation. How long did you live together with your brother? If it were such a huge coincidence maybe it is something that you both can relate to in your childhood. I mean, if I dreamt I went to school naked, I would hope that only I knew of it. :P
The universe exists as a singularity but appears separated to us humans for the sake of living the kind of life we do, yet this is an illusion, the world is nothing like it appears, this is why we dream, its natures way of showing us that our experience is nothing more than mental holograms.
In Quantum physics matter can exist in multiple locations a the same time, information can move form one place to another without anything to move through, because its not separated in the real reality.
you guys were definitely both in the same dream. your experience totally gave me goosebumps!!!!!!!!!!! i am a beginner and want to lucid dream so bad! but wow, crazy story.
one Time I had this dream where I was in this tower and around it twirled a long spiral staircase, that I kept going up on and at the same time, I'm aware of two things, one there are dragons around me in the blazing hell under me, and too quite oddly, that I am naked. That's when my dream turned lucid. I looked around and suddenly the setting changed. I was in my cousins apartments and I was trying to wake up. After opening and closing my eyes constantly I finally woke up.
once in infinity is incorrect, you can only dream about memories and how you remember them, unless you have infinite knowlege ofc which i doubt considering that you said the only invisible force you know if is gas... O.o
well theres the physical world, then everyone can communicate cybernetically internet for example, then what about spiritualy? its bound to happen. i dont no how it would work, probably not for our human minds to contemplate but this once happened with my brother years ago. we were alot younger like idk i may of been 12, and he 16 or something but i had a dream and i was talking bout it with him and he had it through some random guys perspective and remembered things from it. it was not lucid
Hey Im not a christian per say, I do ascribe to the Judeo-Christian ideology thou. I wrote this on the fly and I dont know if anyone had this idea yet. But I would have to say that maybe the "dream state" is a actual realm or place. The only difference from this realm being the creative possibilities. So maybe the Creator is giving us a go at creating to see how we would do. I think it could be very positive in helping resolve life issues. An example would be to talk to your child self..........
let's see... as far as I know, we only dream of what we know of. so for you to have that dream about a beach, you'd HAVE to be on a beach at some point in your life. Not the wasy it was, but the way you remember it... maybe... if you were afraid of crabs, you remember a crab from that beach as being freakin scary, wich would make it, assuming you wouldnt remember a crab, a monster. im not saying that a coincidence is likely, but that since ti has to be memory, it is not infinite.
"you'd HAVE to be on a beach at some point in your life"
not correct.
he just has to know what a beach is, i can close my eyes and see the great pyramids and imagine climbing them if i wanted but have not been there, being a fantacy artist i can imagine things up that have not been seen by anyone including me. i have dreamt of being on other planets and flying through space but i have not been there, it is just imagination based on what you know, you dont have to have been there though.
Have you ever tried a FLOATATION Tank? My longest Float experience was about 4 hours straight with no interuption.
I can relate to this experience that you are describingin this video... Very few people can relate to this. Most others do not understand this... but YOU and I can certainly relate to type of experience.
as long as you were good at holding the dream stable, you could do anything! i bet if you tried you could even communicate with thoughts instead of waisting the time to talk!
my percpective is that it is fucking awsome! who cares how it happens? if you knew for certain it would probably ruin the experience. what is important is that it does happen. and with practice, mabey you can create your own playing feilds in a dream, with other freinds! and shoot fireballs at eachother while flying threw the air! i would seperate two teams to go and create there own landscape and fort, then connect the two together to have the ultimate FPS virtual expereince!! haha! awsome!
Assuming this evidence is correct I could also conclude that the dreamer and his brother were psychic, and that his conclusions were erroneous and no such god exists. You missed that one out, perhaps Npage85 is begging the question too.
Perhaps if one thinks for a while they could come up with possibilities that we didnt think of.
It was physically impossible for one of us to suggest the dream to the other while asleep.
If you go for "coincidence," well, the "coincidence" reaches the probability of 1 in infinity. That means that not only is it *mathematically* impossible, it is nigh *absolutely* impossible.
I'm not lying, but it doesn't really bother me when people accuse me of that... so you can go ahead and think it if you'd like.
The reason for that is because it is *impossible* for the brain to have created what I saw. The reason it is impossible for the brain to create what I saw is because there is absolutely no physical way any information could have floated to my brain from my brother's brain.
The electromagnetic fields only extend a couple inches out of your head...
You are jumping to conlusions. For example just because a Christian says (watch maker argue), if I even concede that there was a creator, thats ALL we know. We can't proove that god is good or bad or that there is heaven or hell, or any other attributes. All we have prooved is that there is a creator.
@npage85 (cont from above) on of Tesla's manner of experimentation, we are a long way off from controlling these energies using mechanical means.Which is very well, because we are not wise as a race at the moment(look up "atomic bomb" in google).Also since we have not accepted the reality of extra-dimensions, we have a long way off from either course of thought.The easiest way to deal with what you experienced is to know that we only really understand about 4% of the universe, and this is with
@npage85 disregarding esoteric teachings.There is much more to learn, and understand, and I hope that I did not offend you in any manner, because I appreciate what you are doing, bringing these concepts to all who might listen. Namaste
"..because there is absolutely no physical way any information could have floated to my brain from my brother's brain.
The electromagnetic fields only extend a couple inches out of your head"
You keep interchanging 'unlikely' with 'impossible'. If there were no physical way for information to leave your brain and into another's more than a few inches away, no one would be having this conversation for example. Do you know what impossible means?
@npage85 I don't mean to be rude, but Occam's razor has no basis for scientific exploration. However, you are completely right about the "new form of energy", although its not new, it is just higher electromagnetic frequency, and lower wavelengths than that of Gamma ray photons. The reason why we cannot measure it is because it takes a very complex device to do so. Considering how we have stumbled upon virtually every scientific discovery regarding electromagnetic phenomena, with the excepti
"It was physically impossible for one of us to suggest the dream to the other while asleep."
Impossible or unlikely? How do you claim its impossible for two people to communicate if barred the use of throats and sound waves? Were bats getting navigation clues from the spirit realm before the discovery of echo-location?
Not that I think its that your memory of events requires an exotic explanation, but how have you ruled out all forms of as-of-yet undiscovered (physical) communication?
"well, the "coincidence" reaches the probability of 1 in infinity. That means that not only is it *mathematically* impossible, it is nigh *absolutely* impossible."
1stly, you enumerated a finite set of finitely described alleged coincidences in your short video. 2ndly of that number, you have no account of which are original coincidences, and which are embellishments in the retelling. So how does your memory of events entail "reaching 1 in infinity", much less "*absolutely* impossible".
One person could have suggested the dream to the other whilst the other was asleep causing them to dream of those things. That person also suggests the dream to themselves so that they can say with genuine conviction that they had that dream...
and for the record for some people below me... I have talked to multiple people who have claimed to have met in a dream... I once told my dad once i saw him at work a short dream i had with him in it and he looked at me in shock stating that he too had the same dream... is that proof? of course not if your not going to beleive thats fine but I know there is more to the mind and to life than the physical world.
I will say this is not a lucid dream... a dream happens in your own mind and everything in it is of yourself... i beleive what you had was a obe (out of body experience) and that somehow by manifesting your brother you brought him out into your experience. the reason i say that is because how can you be in your own mind and his mind at the same time? i beleive you both had an out of body with eachother and you just let the landscape roll out... either way and very interesting experience.
@bluecapone yeh, lagree, maybe he travelled to the astral realm or something, at the same time as his brother. kind of like a video game. both connected to a common host.
This exact thing has happened numerous times over the years. Amazing stuff. It cracks me up when trying to convince someone of this and they simply WILL NOT believe you but 'you' KNOW that it happened but can't prove it. The only way i think they will understand is if they themselves simply have the experience. I fully understand why they have doubt and don't hold it against them though. I believe you 100%. :)
"The only way i think they will understand is if they themselves simply have the experience"
No one is claiming you or npage are intentionally lying, but experiencing something and thinking you experience something are two entirely different things. People are their own worst witnesses when it comes to subjective experiences. Thats why falsifiable evidence is required. If it "happened" to me, Id need more than just my private impressions before I could convince others, let alone myself.
So your saying that if 'you' yourself actually had the experience...i mean you TRULY had this experience in full clarity let's just say....and you admitted to yourself in private how amazingly real it all was and you simply were not lying to yourself....your telling me that YOU wouldn't trust your OWN self that it happened? lol That seems very strange to me. It almost seems like you don't WANT it to be real or something...i could be wrong though, just wondering.
Have you ever had a dream before? How can you prove to someone that you had a dream lol?? We all 'know' we have them but in all honesty...the only way we know it's happening is because 'we' ourselves simply had the experience. Let's say you personally never had a dream in your life and EVERYONE else did. How would you believe they r all having this strange mental experience? Cont....
.....You would either not believe any of them OR you would have to just take their story and trust that they aren't lying to you. I fully understand why you would be skeptical with the way people can be sometimes but there ARE still people left in the world that speak the truth about things whether you may want to believe that or not.
Its funny because when I dream I sometimes am convinced that I had the dream before. (Though I never remembered it waking). I have no way of knowing if I actually did dream it before, or dreamt that I have.
Beliefs of the past can be manufactured instantly in that state
Also upon waking I can have the same emotionally intense state of mind for some time
Its one thing to compare two written accounts, and quite another to awake, say nothing, and accept another persons account as your own.
@rbairos1 yeh because your ego restricts your thinking, once you let go of it, you can begin to really learn. Evidence can be misinterpreted aswell though...hmm whats the point im trying to make lol...umm once you let go of your ego, there is no room for you to 'fool' yourself into thinking something therefore any experience is proof, because it hasnt been 'tampered' with? idk lol
Hey npage85. You are the first person i have come across who has had this experience. I have had very similar experiences myself. With mine i've been lucid in my dream and then i see someone i haven't seen in years. I tell the person that we are both dreaming and that they just don't realize it. I wake up the next morning, recount my experience....tell my self..."wow, that would be weird if the phone rings and it's my friend".....and it happened!
I assume you believe this account to be true. That being said, the major major problem with it, is that you called your brother shortly after waking, and had him recount his dream to you. This completely throws out any objectivity, especially considering you had just woken up. The funny things about dreams and dream like states is that upon waking, holes are quickly filled in. I notice this all the time with my dreams. Add to the fact that time only embellishes (or downplays) all our memories.
Myself, I lucid dream all the time, its not hard, and almost unavoidable when I sleep in a couple extra hours past my regular routine. Respectfully, I think you need to re-evaluate your complete lack of objective controls in your recollection of events. Even people were able to xfer info through dreams, we'd have a shred of objective evidence by now.
Its important, because its difficult to remain objective in a fully waking state, much less one where youre suddenly roused from a deep sleep. You have no idea which parts of your dream were inadvertently injected by your brother after the fact since you did not record for yourself your dream before having his dream introduced to you. Thinking to yourself "yes thats what happened" shortly after waking and recounting the story for (years?) later isn't the same as comparing written accounts.
For example, I can be awoken from a dream and still see elements of my dream in my room for quite some time before actually watching them fade back into the bedroom dresser etc. If you're awoken from a dream with the conviction that your brother is having the same dream, immediately asking him to tell you what he dreamt is hardly an objective test, as you're still in the very suggestible state of mind that whatever he says is what you dreamt as well.
But the bottom line is, why do you assume that being influenced from your brothers narrative, upon your very recent waking is *way* less likely than both of you experiencing something for which there is zero documented evidence after decades of honest research in the field?
I remembered my whole dream *before* he told me his.
The only way what you are saying could be true is if, as he was telling me his dream, I compromised on what I had remembered when I woke up.
You somehow think that just because I hadn't written it down that parts of it would leave my mind.
When I woke up I had a *very* vivid memory of the entire event, with no "holes" in it. So, there would've been no actual difference between what I did, and writing it down.
You're really missing the point, even if fully awake people can be quite suggestable. This is only compounded by the fact that you just awoke from a deep dream. Whether or not you 'believe' you remembered your enitre dream in in striking detail without gaps as it was quickly recounted to you by your brother is irrelevant. This is not to say your dream was not a shared experience, only that you have no objective proof that it is, even to yourself. If you cant get past this then what can I say?
Silently confirming that a persons subjective experience matches your subjective experience *IS A SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE* by definition.
People can even have entire conversations and drive across town performing high level complex tasks in a waking dream. What makes you think you are immune from uncommon but completely worldly things that *do* happen?
Your insistence that you were objectively analyzing a provable supernatural experience is exasperating.
You see... at first you were claiming that *I* couldn't take it as proof that we had a shared dream because it was subjective evidence.
When I patiently explained to you that I am not deluding myself, and what I explained happened in the video *can* be taken as proof of a shared dream *by* *only* *me*, you now are pretending that you were talking about objective proof all along.
Bravo? Nothing has changed. *You* cannot take as proof (even for yourself) that you yourself had a shared dream because you yourself took no steps to protect yourself from the very real possibility of being in a highly suggestive state, possibly even a highly functioning waking dream state.
How on earth can you state for certain that things were as you assumed as you took no steps to establish the fact? ie, you made no written account of your dream before indulging in your brothers tale.
You dont see a teensy qualitative difference between Last-Thursdayism and writing down a dream before instantly claiming another persons dream recounted to you upon waking is identical?
Have you never listened to someones account of a psychic reading, swearing vehemently the psychic knew intimate details of ones life, only to eventually discover the details originated in the witnesses retelling of the story?
Where are your notes to guard against embellishment over time?
I"m doing an experiment tonight with a friend we are going to meet at the same place once/if we become lucid and have a discussion while working out, doing ONE random exercise we'll decide on. I feel your dream state is a parallel reality, a theory you didn't mention, our body is a physical manifestation of our consciousness/soul, this i just a different place to express it.
I had goosebumps the whole time you were talking. This lucid dream stuff really amazes me. I believe you and that you shared the same dream. I remember once when me and my sister were little we had the same exact dream that we were having a picnik in font of our house with our grandma and a tiger excaped the zoo and was walking on our street and we had to go inside. We didn't tell eachother we both had the same dream so we thought that was real until one day we both were talking about it to our
SpellaandArrie 1 week ago
i have been trying for a few weeks to have one with no success yet. but i remember having them quite frequently as a child
holydiver1130 1 month ago
Its called astral projection, I used to lucid dream but I took an arrow to the knee!
ICEMANTITO 1 month ago
that's SO AWESOME!!!! u and ur brother had the same dream? at the same time? i thought it was impossible.....
Mimmio97 2 months ago
When you got to the part about your brother telling you, I got major goosebumps for the whole time you were explaining it!
FlatScopes 3 months ago
I have had this twice, but not with a lucid dream Me and my best friend had the same dream on the same day. I told him I had that dream first so he could've just told me he had the same dream even though he didn't. But I trust him so I think he was telling the truth. And another time I had a dream and he had the same dream one night after, which he told me about first and I told him that mine was the same afterwards, and there is no way he could've known about my dream.
Daxster1995 3 months ago
i was thinking about this earlier too and i have no idea if you can really do it but i believe that you can do it. and i had another good question if anyone has seen inception would lucid dreaming become like inception? will we need something to spin to make sure we are really awake?
aa13029641able 4 months ago
May have been a false awakening.. Like you only woke up in your dream and called your bro in the dream too.
CheckThisOwt18 4 months ago
@CheckThisOwt18 ahaaaa!
good one.
call him again to confirm!
ButteryAssAbel 1 month ago
not a coincidence, not god. i think our brains send out and recieve and log-on to other brains by the electronic frequencies or something like that the brain generates. a married couple had this happen to them--the connected pair of lucid dreams where they are exactly the same.
reptilianism420 6 months ago
Hi guys, I'm 13 and learning how to lucid dream. I hope I can have an experience like this!
DrRandom101 6 months ago
@DrRandom101
They say it's almost impossible for somebody until they're at least 15. Sorry, bud.
Carnage1235 6 months ago
@Carnage1235 Who says so? Lucid Dreaming happens mosty at childhood and the lucid dream lessly happens as we age.
BraveMeat 5 months ago
@Carnage1235 No, it's easier the younger you are. You have gotten your facts mixed up.
SonicTheEggNog 4 months ago
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@SonicTheEggNog
Sorry, I must have been drunk.
IAmCaptainMarvel 4 months ago
@Carnage1235 u know that children often have lucid dreams? lucid dreaming has nothing to do with age :)
Mimmio97 2 months ago
I have a lucid dream EVERY SINGLE NIGHT! No joke. I can be sitting at a window looking at the rain coming down and then will the rain to stop and the clouds disperse and the rain stops. I have alot of dreams where I meet dead relatives like they are still alive and well WITH people who are alive. I can be eating a cookie and then instantly I prefer to be eating cake and the cookie now turns into a cake. Alot of flying dreams but that dream I think is more astral projection than lucid dreaming
GoddessRenata 6 months ago
dude nice job!! you had a shared dream!! thats soooo epic..... Me and my friend are attempting right now to meet in a dream. In real life we created and drew out a little building in which we would like to meet. But NICE JOB dude
TheTombRobber 7 months ago
dream connecting is very possible! i believe it can happen and the only way possible to make it work is being lucid witch is very difficult for most people. the problem i have about dreaming is it take me sooo long to fall asleep. every time i feel myself getting deeper into complete relaxation i get exited about the dream ill have. yes i get excited i feel my heart rate increase as if i get excited about trying for a lucid dream cuz i want to soo bad and i cant control it. any advice?
goqwertygo 7 months ago
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kkk345ify 6 months ago
@goqwertygo meditate and learn to stay calm.
ButteryAssAbel 1 month ago
@goqwertygo i used to do that to but i would just say if not this time then another. then i would go to sleep...
ButteryAssAbel 1 month ago
Respond to this video... u have a false awaking
JohnWells311 8 months ago
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I believe that we are all connected in consciousness and you in fact were in the same dream as your brother. This also happens with OBE or astral projection (another possible explanation of what you experienced), I can give you references if you are interested.
In short, the only thing that actually exists is consciousness and thought, therefore, it is easily possible for that to happen.
DogsinSpace1 8 months ago
Over the summer you should set up an experiment with your brother. Go to sleep at the same time and if one of you become lucid, try contacting the other. If you keep getting consistant stories then you know for sure that you guys are communicating via dreams.
MegaExelo 9 months ago
I felt compelled to respond to this. I obviously found it for a reason. A little over a week ago I had a very strange experience that I don't remember a lot of due to the fact that I haven't been paying much attention to my dreams lately. Nothing in the dream seemed like my own dream scenes and I know I was lucid. I saw the older me and the older version of the girl I was with and they gave me a really weird message. I know for a fact she also had to have had a similar experience that night
aftertoke 9 months ago
@aftertoke I guess the only question is... did she hear the same message I was delivering? There isn't enough room for me to even explain all of the things surrounding this experience and everything leading up to it. I guess the message that was delivered by the 'future me' and the mode of transportation in this dream will be the only way to prove that it really happened. There are reasons keeping me from talking to her right now and I don't even know what to do if she remembers the same thing
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hey i been trying to have a Lucid Dream for years now and i still cant have a 100% lucid dream some times i know that i am dreaming but i still cant cuntrill it the most that i did was frezz the time in my dream but i cound not make my coine to t urn in to gold or anything uelss that i whant it to do can you or anyone help me
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McBandycars 10 months ago
mmk you could've just been thinking, and actually have been awake...
Explanation
Dreams are indeed very vivid
however recalling of dreams is very difficult and in dream you wouldnt recall another dream......
The fact that both of you had the same dream is simply generalization your brother could've been dreaming that you both were flying but maybe in a plane or something like that.
Also check your math 1-infinity..? nah thats not math
FilledCircle 10 months ago
@FilledCircle There's a flaw in this logic however. Assuming that the information he has given us is true: 1. He had a lucid dream. 2. He recalled his dream and remembered it. 3. He called his brother and let him tell his dream AFTER he has remembered the dream.
This means person A knows something, recalled it, gave it some thought, made up his mind and called B.
B told the story without knowing why A wanted to know it and told him his.
Only minor details could've been changed.
Shadowmov3r 8 months ago
@Shadowmov3r Theyre still details,
FilledCircle 8 months ago
@FilledCircle Details they are, but they do not matter in the course of the dream, the small details I am talking about are things like clothes, appereance and slight differences per location. But in no way they could have totally different locals, if we are following what he did. The details are minor and actually not important in your theory.
Shadowmov3r 8 months ago
@Shadowmov3r Theyre always important... in this case theyre what proves fact or fiction,
FilledCircle 8 months ago
@FilledCircle I'm done talking with you, you are avoiding my arguments and you keep saying the same thing, something that DOESN'T matter in your theory, you are trying to counter me and bomb me around with my information? That's not gonna work buddy, you gotta come up with something.
/topic
Shadowmov3r 8 months ago
@Shadowmov3r you tried to start an argument and didnt make any sense, not my fault I dont want to argue with you because you know nothing about psychology or dreams
FilledCircle 8 months ago
@FilledCircle Heh, what's your problem dude, I stated my arguments, and you haven't used any other arguments other than "they're still important, just cuz", "they prove this or that", no they don't you haven't even explained yourself. Just because a friend of you told you some funny information about psychology, or dreams, doesn't mean you've suddenly turned into the 10th dan of psychology, and even if you'd study these subjects, which I doubt, you gotta learn how to argument something. Jerk.
Shadowmov3r 8 months ago
@Shadowmov3r first of all grammar, second of all I'm a psychology major, and lastly I've stated that i dont want to argue with someone whos only arguing just because they can, do you truly want to sway my opinion? even if yours is wrong?
FilledCircle 8 months ago
@FilledCircle Seriously, it's youtube, be glat meye gramawr isnt liek dis.
And we are not talking about opinions, we are talking about a theory you came up with. I used counter arguments why the theory could be false, and the only argument you used is "they're still details" with no information why your argument could be right.
You're continiously avoiding the true subject, and try to bomb me about things you just made up, like swaying your opinion? And how can a theory be wrong.
:/
Shadowmov3r 8 months ago
@Shadowmov3r Im not avoiding anything, I dont want to argure with you? can you get that through your skull?
FilledCircle 8 months ago
@FilledCircle Hah! You are, you are avoiding the main topic, proof is the reply you made to me, and 2 replies before.
But it seems that we're more alike than I thought, I don't want to argue with you too, since you are lying against me, avoiding my arguements, even avoid the topic YOU brought up.
G'day.
Shadowmov3r 8 months ago
@Shadowmov3r again, Im not avoiding the topic. I am not arguing with someone who doesnt know anything
FilledCircle 8 months ago
@FilledCircle Again, you avoided the true topic AGAIN. You're not arguing because you obviously don't know how to argue. I'm done with this, I'm stunned that someone like you could become a psychology major, another flaw in your country.
Shadowmov3r 8 months ago
ive been trying really hard to lucid dream, i listen to hypnosis everynight, and i do believe that i had one, but it was really short and i vaguely remember it, are lucid dreams kind of scary? what do you feel when you first realize ur lucid dreaming.
lizzio98 10 months ago
This blows my mind
MrHeavymetaldrums 10 months ago
@npage85 I'm a Christian, and I really don't see any problem with lucid dreaming - as long as you do not do any intentional lustful things in your dream :P I think this is a remarkable experience you and your brother experienced, and to be honest, have no idea how it happened :L
55SamJ 10 months ago
it's a brotherly connection like twins..yep you obviously have a good relationship with your brother and you share that connection
greyndog1 10 months ago
it's a brotherly connection like twins..
greyndog1 10 months ago
YOUR DREAM IS NOT A CREATION OF THE MIND! its the 21sr century humans should no better lol,
peace, ALIEN
SERVICEOFHUMMANITY 11 months ago
Your experience is not unheard of. What it demonstrates is the existence of telepathy or connections between minds. Usually it happens with people who have an emotional connection, and can happen even when they are thousands of miles apart. If your brother is your twin it's probably more likely to happen. Are you twins? Of course you could use Google and be directed to explanations and discussions of many people who have had similar experiences, and probably some websites about it.
MagiMysteryTour 11 months ago
omg. thats freaky.
karissacsws 11 months ago
You had a shared dream. Usually you are lucid when these 'shared' dreams happen. Sometimes you bring the other person into your dream without meaning to.
sexytubes 11 months ago
everything in the universe is energy, quantum theory in action.
plus there have been many other accounts like this one.
durdieman1 11 months ago
if this is true, its wierd, say if i had sex with a girl who had a bf and i had sex with her then convinced her she was in a dream...would tht girl then be awake or would she just stil;l be a dream character, cus if she truly awakens then in real life she wud be like 0.0 at me haha i was thinkin of havin sex witht he girl i like but if she cud become aware its kind creepy
666DANTEDEVIL666 1 year ago
Unbelievable. Nearly the same exact thing happened to my ex-girlfriend. I was in bed with her and she woke up and told me about this dream she had where she was hovering over her body and in control. She said it was amazing to fly and she started going into each of her roommates rooms and hovering over them and then went out flying around her town. She said she had total control and knew it was a dream. We woke up the next morning and sat down for breakfast w/ her roommates. One of them..
lloplop 1 year ago
pt.II
..just started talking about having a dream last night where my girlfriend was hovering over them. They said this without us saying anything about her dream. We just looked at each other in total shock. How do you feel about the collective unconscious?
lloplop 1 year ago
You say "marvel" to much!
UTewberful 1 year ago
Option 1: your lying for some reason.
Option 2: What in the Fuck.
HewettPower 1 year ago
Awesome
5weeker 1 year ago
You and your brother's cognate DNA somehow tapped into a parallel universe. The details, at this point in time, are beyond the understanding of modern science.
OR
Possibly, the energy or force that created the universe leaves behind a infinitesimal trace of itself in everything it creates, similar to how parents pass chromosomes down to their children. Somehow, your subconscious located that trace and became actively engaged in it... (expressing itself in creative free-space)
BlueTragicTortoise 1 year ago
I'm a Christian and I love Lucid dreams, however I stopped trying to get into them because it felt like I opening the door to the occult, not because Lucid dreaming is itself, but it often leads to trying to Astral Project and such.
GuitarGuy22221 1 year ago
I don't know. It sounds pretty unexplainable to me.
Odds are, it was either a false awakening, or a coincidence.
Or the quantum brain theory was right, and your brains were connected through quantum entanglement. But that's probably me rambling again. =P
kargaroc386 1 year ago
i always wanted to be in the same dream as my friend. Did it come by luck or did you prepare a special way for it?
INSANE705 1 year ago
You know I am a Christian myself and I had been trying to get to the astral plane for sometime (I don't see how it is wrong) and the other day I was in a book store and this women walks up to me and says "you have been trying to get to the astral plane. I hope to see you there."
2 weeks later I thought I got to the astral plane and I could have sworn I heard he voice..
So all in all I believe you especialy with the amount of psychics in my life (and the ones speaking of me before I was born)
EnderGhost119 1 year ago
What an amazing experience, I've been lucid dreaming (/APing, OBEing) for a couple years but no shared events such as this one, just wow!..
omcasey1 1 year ago
npage85@ is lucid dream the same as out of body experience i had lucid dream and i saw jesus and then i asked to see the antichrist thats where i was actually dragged out of my bed by evil spirit has that happened to you
shiffordboyz 1 year ago
You had a shared Lucid dream... My and sister had one when we were kids. it happens
BlazzerTim 1 year ago
this reminds me of a spongebob episod at which spongebob has gone into the other peoples dreams xDDD
thediscopuma 1 year ago
the reflection of the screen on your glasses looks cool, like a secret agent lol
DoctorJake007 1 year ago
Dude I want to l have a lucid dream. While I do not keep a dream journal, I am actually am to recall a good number of my dreams. Not in vivid details, but I remember alot of important elements. I hope to have a lucid dream soon.
commandershadebetter 1 year ago
That linked lucid dream experience reminds me of the movie "Inception". Maybe there is some way that since you are brothers, and both are dreaming, can link your brain waves, but thats just my hypothesis
animeshows568 1 year ago
This is unrealistic. Peoples Dreams doesnt have any kind of connection to each other. Impossible.
TheHartmanis 1 year ago
look up the Stargate Project. you and your bro prob being total ballers remote viewing with each other
brod2man 1 year ago
VERY amazing!! I do believe that's true. That is an amazing thing and goes to show that there is more to dreaming than just the brain thinking or firing random neurons. I had a dream in which someone else I know had a similar dream. Although they were not the exact same, they were very similar. My friend didn't remember his dream until I mentioned a shopping cart, which had to do with him in my dream. Once mentioning the cart, he remembered the dream.
CassetteMaster 1 year ago
that is soooooo cool if you could make a video with your brother that would be soooo cool.
surfcalifornia555 1 year ago
wow Ive always doubted that sharing a lucid dream was possible but you seem like a sane and believable guy. I just hope your not pulling our leg.
brandon0135 1 year ago
i once dreamt that i was a vampire chasing my friends around telling them im not one while they ran away. i realise its a dream then try to force myself to wake up while cant.
dream012345 1 year ago
Wow extraordinary.
Willsmusicchannel 1 year ago
I think you an your brother shared the dream at the same time. I had a similar experience however the person I dreamed with had moved away before the shared dream. I have tried tracking him down bc I am convinced he was just as aware as you and your brother were. The person I shared a dream with explained to me in my dream that he was a very private person and the deep conversation we were having would not take place in waking life. We both did not know why we were in front of each other. Our d
Davidle141 1 year ago
stop bullshit
valiyev007 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. You say that you both were in the same "dream", but that doesn't really describe where you were or how it happened.
You were actually in an alternate reality (not the one we all live in), and you and your brother were there at the same time, which is awesome. Through the law of attraction, you can have similar results in this reality, too; they just don't appear right away when you will them. You can will anything, it just takes time manifesting. Try it!
thetzfreak 1 year ago
I believe you did indeed share the same dream. When you dream, your conscious and subconscious are connected, allowing your conscious perception to connect to the modem that is your subconscious. You shared a dream with your brother telepathically. What I can't explain is why it is possible.
fedzalicious 1 year ago
My theory is that all brains are somehow connected.
Like, when you and someone are thinking about the exact same thing and bring it up. Or when you say the exact same thing as someone.
I've been in someone else's dream and they've remembered myself in their dreams. Maybe the brain is sort of connected to others, some unforeseen force.
thepsychicpebble 1 year ago
I don't think you're telling the truth. It sounds like you read briefly on lucid dreaming, and made up a story you thought sounded like what a lucid dream would be like.
Here's the reasons I think you're lying:
1) You use the WILD technique to enter a dream upon going to bed.
2) It takes a lot more practice than "just trying the WILD technique" to go through all the levels of lucidity.
3) If you were truly lucid, you wouldn't need to convince your brother he was dreaming.
4) Flying wakes you up
gameboyoutoob 1 year ago
@gameboyoutoob no, flying does not wake you up. You wake up when you start to get distracted from something in the dream. While you are asleep there is no logic happening in your brain so if you are lucid and you realize you are dreaming but then you get distracted by lets say a purple person and if you dont remember that your dreaming then you may wake up or return to a normal dream. and poeple in your dreams will usually tell you that your not dreaming so you will have to convince them.
curtisisadog 1 year ago
@curtisisadog let me correct myself.flying too fast will wake you up.Your brain can't come up with everything you see fast enough, so it sort of overloads. But maybe that's just me. :P Either that, or you'll get too much adrenaline, and any adrenaline at all wakes you up (according to a book I read.)And I don't understand your logic. Why would being distracted wake you up? I agree that it could make you loose lucidity, but why would you wake up?
They know they aren't real if you are fully lucid
gameboyoutoob 1 year ago
@gameboyoutoob ya... i dont know why i said it would wake you up that sounds stupid when i read it now
curtisisadog 1 year ago
Mistake: you can't just have a WILD upon going to bed. You have to figure out when you experience REM (it's tricky), then wake yourself up while in that state. Then when you go back to bed, you preform the WILD technique.
gameboyoutoob 1 year ago
The thing is dreams are caused by day residue (stuff that happens in the day that we remember) paired with your drifting thoughts....So if you pair that with the theory of a collective mind, THEORETICALLY someone could subconsciously have your memory, or even the memory of that specific dream and pick up on it. And sense it is your brother he is probably more susceptible to common brain patterns... who knows.. interesting tho. Ive had just a few simi-similar situations myself.
TheWingman43 1 year ago
Wow...really cool! Ive had some strange experiences in my life too, and while they are few and far inbetween, they have proven to me that there is more to our reality than what is on the surface, and that consciousness appears to be a non-local phenomenon.
Its amusing to see people in your comments try to tell you what you experienced, and that it cannot be possible. It only exposes their closed-mindedness and their urge to immediately attempt to disprove what they cannot explain.
AttunedFlux 1 year ago
@AttunedFlux
When i see this, my immediate thought is that they are jealous that you had such an experience, because they had never had the likes of it before. I have witnessed others react the same way to my stories, or to stories that other people open up about that cannot be explained by reductionist science.
There are simply far too many people having far too many of these experiences for them to be ignored in the way that many still do.
AttunedFlux 1 year ago
That is something very amazing. You and your brother have a special bond or something. Perhaps you are almost one person or soul.
TheStrandedShockits 1 year ago
I know for a fact shared dreaming is very real. But you're mistaken in assuming your brother was in your dream. Each participant in a shared dream experiences their own independent dream, although this does not negate the fact that it is still a "shared dream". We each create our own realities.
Shared dreams are never identical. There are always differences, but those differences are archetypal in nature, essentially describing the same thing, but tailored to the individual's perception.
TheCusp1975 1 year ago
@TheCusp1975
Semantics...what you are pointing out is really pointless. We all knew what he meant, and finding the exact language in this particular example you used i did not find to be necessary. He probably feels/thinks this very point you made already, but didnt include it in this video.
AttunedFlux 1 year ago
Somewhere in a website called DreamViews, the is an article on shared dreaming in the message boards. There's a link and a member named WakingNomad's signature.
SprayCheezJawa 1 year ago
Maybe theres somekind of brainwave simularities between siblings or somthing, still learning how to lucid dream, im going to add you to freinds
EgagLatsev 1 year ago
Hey anybody wanna meet up in a lucid dream, once i get my shit figured out?
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Vlogger7298 2 years ago
You've just experienced telepathy, nothing weird (or religious/magic) but unusual and improbable.
otur1 2 years ago
my first real lucid dream where i explored that world ended up with me and my brother in a room, me trying to convince him he was dreaming, by showing him the writing on the wall, before i woke up, i told him to call me so we could talk about it, but when i called him he didnt know anything about it
chriscruse1989 2 years ago
I've had 2 lucid dreams, the first one it was just awesome and I didn't want to wake up, so the only thing i did in my first lucid dream was try and stay asleep, and the second one was I just dreamed about places i had gone in some other good dreams i had
wtyazzie2000 2 years ago
You probably had a false awakening, and dreamed that you called your brother, than went back to bed, then woke up in real life.
coopercrue 2 years ago
@coopercrue:
Well, I did think of that one, but it doesn't make sense in light of my brother still remembering what happened to this day.
If it was a false awakening, then he wouldn't remember it now, but he does. ;)
npage85 2 years ago
@npage85 then maybe your still dreaming :|
WAKE UP
pixelgeekproductions 1 year ago
@npage85 hmmm are you sure your still not dreaming? maybe you were lucid dreaming that you were in a lucid dream (I.E. 2nd level dreaming) causing you to feel like it is real...
I've been trying to have lucid dreams for a long but I only have them at random not on command.
Tell me what you think of this thought... What if we are all in a shared dream (The people on the world). And what we think when we sleep is actually a 2nd level dream...
chanceofflight 1 year ago
@npage85
It kinda reminds me of The Matrix if you're really telling the truth. Two people connected to the same plain of thought... It's very similar, yet very..... Believeable.
I dunno man, if you're telling the truth, this could be like changing the perspective of dreaming. Like, instead of us all having our own personal dream in our heads, do we all go to these separate little, floating worlds that perhaps OTHER people can enter too, just like (again) THE MATRIX.
Carnage1235 9 months ago
Amazing indeed. I see connections with some religions, but I would prefer finding a scientific explanation. How long did you live together with your brother? If it were such a huge coincidence maybe it is something that you both can relate to in your childhood. I mean, if I dreamt I went to school naked, I would hope that only I knew of it. :P
yousefamar 2 years ago
The universe exists as a singularity but appears separated to us humans for the sake of living the kind of life we do, yet this is an illusion, the world is nothing like it appears, this is why we dream, its natures way of showing us that our experience is nothing more than mental holograms.
In Quantum physics matter can exist in multiple locations a the same time, information can move form one place to another without anything to move through, because its not separated in the real reality.
brixism 2 years ago
you guys were definitely both in the same dream. your experience totally gave me goosebumps!!!!!!!!!!! i am a beginner and want to lucid dream so bad! but wow, crazy story.
dancegirl1733 2 years ago
one Time I had this dream where I was in this tower and around it twirled a long spiral staircase, that I kept going up on and at the same time, I'm aware of two things, one there are dragons around me in the blazing hell under me, and too quite oddly, that I am naked. That's when my dream turned lucid. I looked around and suddenly the setting changed. I was in my cousins apartments and I was trying to wake up. After opening and closing my eyes constantly I finally woke up.
KeeganStephen 2 years ago
once in infinity is incorrect, you can only dream about memories and how you remember them, unless you have infinite knowlege ofc which i doubt considering that you said the only invisible force you know if is gas... O.o
spacecoke 2 years ago
well theres the physical world, then everyone can communicate cybernetically internet for example, then what about spiritualy? its bound to happen. i dont no how it would work, probably not for our human minds to contemplate but this once happened with my brother years ago. we were alot younger like idk i may of been 12, and he 16 or something but i had a dream and i was talking bout it with him and he had it through some random guys perspective and remembered things from it. it was not lucid
R3demp7tion 2 years ago
Hey Im not a christian per say, I do ascribe to the Judeo-Christian ideology thou. I wrote this on the fly and I dont know if anyone had this idea yet. But I would have to say that maybe the "dream state" is a actual realm or place. The only difference from this realm being the creative possibilities. So maybe the Creator is giving us a go at creating to see how we would do. I think it could be very positive in helping resolve life issues. An example would be to talk to your child self..........
YahushaIsLove 2 years ago
let's see... as far as I know, we only dream of what we know of. so for you to have that dream about a beach, you'd HAVE to be on a beach at some point in your life. Not the wasy it was, but the way you remember it... maybe... if you were afraid of crabs, you remember a crab from that beach as being freakin scary, wich would make it, assuming you wouldnt remember a crab, a monster. im not saying that a coincidence is likely, but that since ti has to be memory, it is not infinite.
FatPenguin64 2 years ago
"you'd HAVE to be on a beach at some point in your life"
not correct.
he just has to know what a beach is, i can close my eyes and see the great pyramids and imagine climbing them if i wanted but have not been there, being a fantacy artist i can imagine things up that have not been seen by anyone including me. i have dreamt of being on other planets and flying through space but i have not been there, it is just imagination based on what you know, you dont have to have been there though.
spacecoke 2 years ago
you my friend prolly just dreamscaped
reaper25493 2 years ago
Have you ever tried a FLOATATION Tank? My longest Float experience was about 4 hours straight with no interuption.
I can relate to this experience that you are describingin this video... Very few people can relate to this. Most others do not understand this... but YOU and I can certainly relate to type of experience.
dynamicdavid 2 years ago
as long as you were good at holding the dream stable, you could do anything! i bet if you tried you could even communicate with thoughts instead of waisting the time to talk!
dannymusick 2 years ago
my percpective is that it is fucking awsome! who cares how it happens? if you knew for certain it would probably ruin the experience. what is important is that it does happen. and with practice, mabey you can create your own playing feilds in a dream, with other freinds! and shoot fireballs at eachother while flying threw the air! i would seperate two teams to go and create there own landscape and fort, then connect the two together to have the ultimate FPS virtual expereince!! haha! awsome!
dannymusick 2 years ago
Maybe you just had a false awakening and none of this phone call was true :P
dyingdignity 2 years ago
i love this being with a loved one of mine would help me to get over the fear of the astral plane ... keep um comming
bubbie780 2 years ago
You have a fear of the astral plane? Why are you afraid of it?
npage85 2 years ago
Assuming this evidence is correct I could also conclude that the dreamer and his brother were psychic, and that his conclusions were erroneous and no such god exists. You missed that one out, perhaps Npage85 is begging the question too.
Perhaps if one thinks for a while they could come up with possibilities that we didnt think of.
TruthBeyond 2 years ago
It was physically impossible for one of us to suggest the dream to the other while asleep.
If you go for "coincidence," well, the "coincidence" reaches the probability of 1 in infinity. That means that not only is it *mathematically* impossible, it is nigh *absolutely* impossible.
I'm not lying, but it doesn't really bother me when people accuse me of that... so you can go ahead and think it if you'd like.
And the psychicexplanation doesn't work out.
(cont. below)
npage85 2 years ago
(cont. from above)
The reason for that is because it is *impossible* for the brain to have created what I saw. The reason it is impossible for the brain to create what I saw is because there is absolutely no physical way any information could have floated to my brain from my brother's brain.
The electromagnetic fields only extend a couple inches out of your head...
(cont. below)
npage85 2 years ago
(cont. from above)
That means you'd have to presuppose *not only* a new psychic power, but some new form of energy that your brain emits.
Occam's razor shaves that off in favor of *my* explanation.
I've thought about this *way* too much, man.
npage85 2 years ago
You are jumping to conlusions. For example just because a Christian says (watch maker argue), if I even concede that there was a creator, thats ALL we know. We can't proove that god is good or bad or that there is heaven or hell, or any other attributes. All we have prooved is that there is a creator.
What attrubutes of God do you know for certain?
TruthBeyond 2 years ago
@npage85 (cont from above) on of Tesla's manner of experimentation, we are a long way off from controlling these energies using mechanical means.Which is very well, because we are not wise as a race at the moment(look up "atomic bomb" in google).Also since we have not accepted the reality of extra-dimensions, we have a long way off from either course of thought.The easiest way to deal with what you experienced is to know that we only really understand about 4% of the universe, and this is with
mortclyde 1 year ago
@npage85 disregarding esoteric teachings.There is much more to learn, and understand, and I hope that I did not offend you in any manner, because I appreciate what you are doing, bringing these concepts to all who might listen. Namaste
-Moto
mortclyde 1 year ago
"..because there is absolutely no physical way any information could have floated to my brain from my brother's brain.
The electromagnetic fields only extend a couple inches out of your head"
You keep interchanging 'unlikely' with 'impossible'. If there were no physical way for information to leave your brain and into another's more than a few inches away, no one would be having this conversation for example. Do you know what impossible means?
rbairos1 2 years ago
@npage85 I don't mean to be rude, but Occam's razor has no basis for scientific exploration. However, you are completely right about the "new form of energy", although its not new, it is just higher electromagnetic frequency, and lower wavelengths than that of Gamma ray photons. The reason why we cannot measure it is because it takes a very complex device to do so. Considering how we have stumbled upon virtually every scientific discovery regarding electromagnetic phenomena, with the excepti
mortclyde 1 year ago
"It was physically impossible for one of us to suggest the dream to the other while asleep."
Impossible or unlikely? How do you claim its impossible for two people to communicate if barred the use of throats and sound waves? Were bats getting navigation clues from the spirit realm before the discovery of echo-location?
Not that I think its that your memory of events requires an exotic explanation, but how have you ruled out all forms of as-of-yet undiscovered (physical) communication?
rbairos1 2 years ago
"well, the "coincidence" reaches the probability of 1 in infinity. That means that not only is it *mathematically* impossible, it is nigh *absolutely* impossible."
1stly, you enumerated a finite set of finitely described alleged coincidences in your short video. 2ndly of that number, you have no account of which are original coincidences, and which are embellishments in the retelling. So how does your memory of events entail "reaching 1 in infinity", much less "*absolutely* impossible".
rbairos1 2 years ago
One person could have suggested the dream to the other whilst the other was asleep causing them to dream of those things. That person also suggests the dream to themselves so that they can say with genuine conviction that they had that dream...
OR
It could just be a big co-incident
OR
you could just be lying.
TruthBeyond 2 years ago
I find it funny how you automatically leave out the option "It actually happened."
This is called "Begging the Question"
Way to fail. ;P
linkmeup2003 2 years ago 2
and for the record for some people below me... I have talked to multiple people who have claimed to have met in a dream... I once told my dad once i saw him at work a short dream i had with him in it and he looked at me in shock stating that he too had the same dream... is that proof? of course not if your not going to beleive thats fine but I know there is more to the mind and to life than the physical world.
bluecapone 2 years ago
I will say this is not a lucid dream... a dream happens in your own mind and everything in it is of yourself... i beleive what you had was a obe (out of body experience) and that somehow by manifesting your brother you brought him out into your experience. the reason i say that is because how can you be in your own mind and his mind at the same time? i beleive you both had an out of body with eachother and you just let the landscape roll out... either way and very interesting experience.
bluecapone 2 years ago
@bluecapone yeh, lagree, maybe he travelled to the astral realm or something, at the same time as his brother. kind of like a video game. both connected to a common host.
s4ngu1ne 1 year ago
This exact thing has happened numerous times over the years. Amazing stuff. It cracks me up when trying to convince someone of this and they simply WILL NOT believe you but 'you' KNOW that it happened but can't prove it. The only way i think they will understand is if they themselves simply have the experience. I fully understand why they have doubt and don't hold it against them though. I believe you 100%. :)
video88upload 2 years ago
"The only way i think they will understand is if they themselves simply have the experience"
No one is claiming you or npage are intentionally lying, but experiencing something and thinking you experience something are two entirely different things. People are their own worst witnesses when it comes to subjective experiences. Thats why falsifiable evidence is required. If it "happened" to me, Id need more than just my private impressions before I could convince others, let alone myself.
rbairos1 2 years ago
So your saying that if 'you' yourself actually had the experience...i mean you TRULY had this experience in full clarity let's just say....and you admitted to yourself in private how amazingly real it all was and you simply were not lying to yourself....your telling me that YOU wouldn't trust your OWN self that it happened? lol That seems very strange to me. It almost seems like you don't WANT it to be real or something...i could be wrong though, just wondering.
video88upload 2 years ago
Have you ever had a dream before? How can you prove to someone that you had a dream lol?? We all 'know' we have them but in all honesty...the only way we know it's happening is because 'we' ourselves simply had the experience. Let's say you personally never had a dream in your life and EVERYONE else did. How would you believe they r all having this strange mental experience? Cont....
video88upload 2 years ago
.....You would either not believe any of them OR you would have to just take their story and trust that they aren't lying to you. I fully understand why you would be skeptical with the way people can be sometimes but there ARE still people left in the world that speak the truth about things whether you may want to believe that or not.
video88upload 2 years ago
Its funny because when I dream I sometimes am convinced that I had the dream before. (Though I never remembered it waking). I have no way of knowing if I actually did dream it before, or dreamt that I have.
Beliefs of the past can be manufactured instantly in that state
Also upon waking I can have the same emotionally intense state of mind for some time
Its one thing to compare two written accounts, and quite another to awake, say nothing, and accept another persons account as your own.
rbairos1 2 years ago
@rbairos1 yeh because your ego restricts your thinking, once you let go of it, you can begin to really learn. Evidence can be misinterpreted aswell though...hmm whats the point im trying to make lol...umm once you let go of your ego, there is no room for you to 'fool' yourself into thinking something therefore any experience is proof, because it hasnt been 'tampered' with? idk lol
s4ngu1ne 1 year ago
Hey npage85. You are the first person i have come across who has had this experience. I have had very similar experiences myself. With mine i've been lucid in my dream and then i see someone i haven't seen in years. I tell the person that we are both dreaming and that they just don't realize it. I wake up the next morning, recount my experience....tell my self..."wow, that would be weird if the phone rings and it's my friend".....and it happened!
video88upload 2 years ago
I assume you believe this account to be true. That being said, the major major problem with it, is that you called your brother shortly after waking, and had him recount his dream to you. This completely throws out any objectivity, especially considering you had just woken up. The funny things about dreams and dream like states is that upon waking, holes are quickly filled in. I notice this all the time with my dreams. Add to the fact that time only embellishes (or downplays) all our memories.
rbairos1 2 years ago
Myself, I lucid dream all the time, its not hard, and almost unavoidable when I sleep in a couple extra hours past my regular routine. Respectfully, I think you need to re-evaluate your complete lack of objective controls in your recollection of events. Even people were able to xfer info through dreams, we'd have a shred of objective evidence by now.
rbairos1 2 years ago
Why does asking him *right* after waking up throw out objectivity? I really don't get your logic.
I thought I was being *purely* objective by having *him* recount the dream without me telling him mine.
There was no time for our memories to get embellished.
So... I honestly don't understand what you're talking about.
npage85 2 years ago
Its important, because its difficult to remain objective in a fully waking state, much less one where youre suddenly roused from a deep sleep. You have no idea which parts of your dream were inadvertently injected by your brother after the fact since you did not record for yourself your dream before having his dream introduced to you. Thinking to yourself "yes thats what happened" shortly after waking and recounting the story for (years?) later isn't the same as comparing written accounts.
rbairos1 2 years ago
For example, I can be awoken from a dream and still see elements of my dream in my room for quite some time before actually watching them fade back into the bedroom dresser etc. If you're awoken from a dream with the conviction that your brother is having the same dream, immediately asking him to tell you what he dreamt is hardly an objective test, as you're still in the very suggestible state of mind that whatever he says is what you dreamt as well.
Things then get compounded in the retelling
rbairos1 2 years ago
You somehow think that, while listening to my brother, I would not be aware of him "injecting" things into my mind?
I'm sorry... I just find your contention here to be *way* too critical.
npage85 2 years ago
But the bottom line is, why do you assume that being influenced from your brothers narrative, upon your very recent waking is *way* less likely than both of you experiencing something for which there is zero documented evidence after decades of honest research in the field?
rbairos1 2 years ago
Simple:
I remembered my whole dream *before* he told me his.
The only way what you are saying could be true is if, as he was telling me his dream, I compromised on what I had remembered when I woke up.
You somehow think that just because I hadn't written it down that parts of it would leave my mind.
When I woke up I had a *very* vivid memory of the entire event, with no "holes" in it. So, there would've been no actual difference between what I did, and writing it down.
npage85 2 years ago
You're really missing the point, even if fully awake people can be quite suggestable. This is only compounded by the fact that you just awoke from a deep dream. Whether or not you 'believe' you remembered your enitre dream in in striking detail without gaps as it was quickly recounted to you by your brother is irrelevant. This is not to say your dream was not a shared experience, only that you have no objective proof that it is, even to yourself. If you cant get past this then what can I say?
rbairos1 2 years ago
I like how you seem to think that you can *tell* me that I would have no objective proof for myself if what happened in my video was true.
You haven't at all proven that my vivid, and complete, memory of the shared dream only seconds old could be marred by my brother's retelling.
You expect me to agree with you without that proof even though your claim, at least to me (knowing that you are full of it), seems absolutely absurd.
I mean, I'd agree with you if it was days later... but, sorry.
npage85 2 years ago
Silently confirming that a persons subjective experience matches your subjective experience *IS A SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE* by definition.
People can even have entire conversations and drive across town performing high level complex tasks in a waking dream. What makes you think you are immune from uncommon but completely worldly things that *do* happen?
Your insistence that you were objectively analyzing a provable supernatural experience is exasperating.
What is your objective evidence?
rbairos1 2 years ago
Ah... now you are shifting the goalposts.
Clever tactic.
You see... at first you were claiming that *I* couldn't take it as proof that we had a shared dream because it was subjective evidence.
When I patiently explained to you that I am not deluding myself, and what I explained happened in the video *can* be taken as proof of a shared dream *by* *only* *me*, you now are pretending that you were talking about objective proof all along.
Bravo.
npage85 2 years ago
Bravo? Nothing has changed. *You* cannot take as proof (even for yourself) that you yourself had a shared dream because you yourself took no steps to protect yourself from the very real possibility of being in a highly suggestive state, possibly even a highly functioning waking dream state.
How on earth can you state for certain that things were as you assumed as you took no steps to establish the fact? ie, you made no written account of your dream before indulging in your brothers tale.
rbairos1 2 years ago
Yes, I *can* take it as proof... because your argument amounts to nothing more than the classical philosophy of mind argument about memory.
How do you know that you existed 5 minutes ago? Because you remembered that period of time?
Your memory could be lying to you. So that must mean that you can't take your memory as proof that you existed 5 minutes ago.
Therefore, there is no way to prove to yourself that you existed 5 minutes ago.
That is what I see when reading your comments. Hilarious.
npage85 2 years ago
You dont see a teensy qualitative difference between Last-Thursdayism and writing down a dream before instantly claiming another persons dream recounted to you upon waking is identical?
Have you never listened to someones account of a psychic reading, swearing vehemently the psychic knew intimate details of ones life, only to eventually discover the details originated in the witnesses retelling of the story?
Where are your notes to guard against embellishment over time?
rbairos1 2 years ago
i'm a christian and i cant see anything wrong with lucid dreaming. i'm actually starting myself
hambonebowler900 2 years ago
I"m doing an experiment tonight with a friend we are going to meet at the same place once/if we become lucid and have a discussion while working out, doing ONE random exercise we'll decide on. I feel your dream state is a parallel reality, a theory you didn't mention, our body is a physical manifestation of our consciousness/soul, this i just a different place to express it.
db2012 2 years ago