Are you going to Heaven or Hell? Satanists View

[VenusSatanas]

closing comments due to xian trolling.

[cosmiclibrary]

What was the only reason that made Jehova protect his own people? One word. OBEDIENCE. It's all about higher forces controlling the lower evolutionary dumbasses, to put it bluntly. By the way the Hebrews were not Monotheistic, but Henotheistic. Meaning Jehova is not just one thing, it was a group of beings, controlling people who were easily led. The concept of Heaven and Hell was put there to scare people. Alienation is a state of the mind. BLiss, is also a state of the mind. everything's etern

[cosmiclibrary]

Heaven and Hell is subjective and has a strong connotation that has been given to us as undisputed definition. Just like the argument on God as a man with a white beard in the skies. The bible is the greatest story ever told and that's all that it is. Is it sorcery or magic or a bit of both? The bible is just a story. It's man's own pension for fear that keeps the subject of heaven and hell hot and rolling. Why? The reason of these 2 concepts is, and has always been 2 CONTROL PEOPLE.

[whatsupable]

my thoughts on it

i have a vieuw that if you die you get just awaiy from your flesh

then the hard part comes to keep being together instead of bieng drained by gods and other things

ia ia (the hunger for more)

[qmeche123]

You are not from a Christian background?

Lucky you.

[Spartacus74]

I add also that i believe in a kind of balance in the after-life, not much on moral dogmas but on the basis of our Self-consciousness develompment. If we improve our qualities we will give to the Kosmos a kind of energies that will "sound" on our spiritual part, allowing a new kind of exhistence after the end of our anagraphic and temporally human form. Vale!

[Spartacus74]

Ave et Vale VenusSatanas,Summer is ended and Autumn Equinox has been celebrated, i hope Gods will be present and lighty active in your life and in your research of the Self of Lucis.

Pagan comunity still exhist and a candle in the dark will be the Sun-Mithra-AmonRa of Tomorrow. Hail and Ave atque Vale!

[scurry1965]

In my opinion; the Old Testament of the Judeo-Christian bible is story after story of masters summoners and master psychics. Hell,..Moses threw his walking stick down and it turned into a snake. I think they should make a movie about it,hmmm Snakes on the Astral Plane. Of course, they all say, that the spirit they call upon with offerings, covenants and sacrifices is the right one. I guess it had to do with survival. And there was Greek influence in New Testament from my perspective

[scurry1965]

If Christians really want to get "biblical",.... the first curse is Sheol, in Hebrew שאול (Sh'ol) place of the dead. Everybody goes there,.. good and wicked alike and everyone "knows not". It's over. Introduce Christ: --When asked of Shoel he points to pit of burning garbage.

I liked the first one better :))

[VenusSatanas]

so technically.....everyone is destined for 'hell' ..kinda funny, i guess the Xians needed to improve the idea by offering something better than the competition, aka. - 'salvation'

[jlhenney]

if you have had OBE, then would you not realize that 'the body' was in some way its own reality and can be seperated from 'you' or your soul/spirit?

If you can leave your body, then when the body dies, where does that 'you' go?

[inqwon]

Death makes angels of us all and gives us wings were we had shoulders as smooth as raven claws! and if you believe that your in the wrong place. Hail satan and the dark esoteric light within all satanic folk.

[gregsobekofficial]

I believe we CREATE our own afterlife. Our society has been so brainwashed w/ dogmas and false believe systems that impede the spirit and ebbs the flow of our natural innate power as earth humans.

[Kalisma9801]

I noticed that you do not believe in any kind of afterlife; however, do you believe that there could be life after death that you are currently agnostic about?

[VenusSatanas]

Yes. For instance, what are human spirits or ghosts? are they just a mass hallucination of mankind or are they real, and do they exist in some realm of energy that allows them to interact with us??

[Amber1850]

Just curious, I don't know much about satanism but when/if you perform magic, who/what energies/spirts do you draw on?

[VenusSatanas]

Usually, I do not call upon any spirits or demons when i'm using magic, unless i've built a spell for a specific purpose which includes things like that. Most often, I use elemental energies and planetary energies, combined with my own will.

[autumnenergy]

Venus, I just wanted to add that I am NOT challenging you, but just engaging in conversation about a topic that has always intrigued me. And to have the opportunity to talk to someone with a different belief system and very intelligent is a treat for me. No offense intended...just enjoying internet chat about theology.

[TempleOfLight888]

Heaven and Hell are states, not places.

[autumnenergy]

I agree. I am not a Satanist, but I am a Luciferian. I do believe there is something or somewhere we all go after death of the body. I believe that ALL of us go to the same place no matter what religion we subscribed to or if we subscribed to any religion at all. But that is just BELIEF. I have no proof.

We should enjoy the life that we KNOW, not the one that we speculate about after the body is dead.

[scurry1965]

I so hope not.

and for those who do not know for wich one it was for,....then,....

[Akbar271]

I respect everybody opinions but i think hell is represented by God´s people,the bible,jesus and all that shit....im talking about my experienced in life.

[neoninja669]

If Hell does not exist where does Satan live? MEXICO?

[VenusSatanas]

satan is the force of the earth and all that it contains. as such, it is all around us in what we know as the 'physical'.

the idea that he lives below the earth is an old one, that is reflected in many other cultures who believed that the gods of the underworld lived underground.

[TonyBalony2468]

It does get very hot there during summer time.

[metalheart555]

I don't care.For me life is here and now.

[chaosatanas]

some people feel we are already in hell here on earth, and with the state of the planet i can understand where they are coming from. i believe there is something better than the human form, the human .world is so negative. and i believe i was sent here to bring some light to the negativity, of the human world. and when i die, i will go back to where i came from, and back to better things.

[Mercuryrules]

Surely you have investigated E.S.P.? -You understand that conciousness can operate outside of the 5 senses and thus of the physical body? Surely it is not a stretch to appreciate it could very well exist after the body is laid aside at death? I am rather disturbed by your seeming lack of clear thinking here!

[VenusSatanas]

good that you accept those theories as truth, may it bring you some enlightenment.

[xthequestionmarkguyx]

Christainity reminds me of Egyptian religon both obsessed with the afterlife.

[Mercuryrules]

Sorry, but for someone who claims to have an interest in occultism, you are profoundly lacking in knowledge of these things. People have actually died partially, and returned and have been able to describe to a degree their experiences, I myself heard a guy calles George Ritchie "return from tomorrow" give a public talk about what he experienced. Also different Gods/beliefs during Greece/Roman/Egyptian times? Have you never encountered the idea of evolving human awareness?

[VenusSatanas]

Sure. Also, there is a medical, physiological explanation of the experiences of death, known as NDE. How spiritual it is, i do not know, nor is that important to me in my philosophy as a satanist.

Until NDE's and the great white light is accepted in mainstream science and biology as a norm, then it remains as a theory.

My video is a discussion on why as a satanist i do not accept the christian idea of heaven and hell.

[Toddthedidger]

NDE could just be the brain dying. Its a nice little show the Brain gives before the long cold sleep.

[drigis1]

Thanks for sharing the information you have and what you belief to be true again.

Drigis

[terithar]

..we die, that energy has to go somewhere, whether into another conscious being, or maybe anything else that is energy like a star or something, sort of like reincarnation in a sense but who really knows the truth? No one. Qauntum physics may be the only thing that could give us a definite answer some day, but that will be a far off day indeed.

[terithar]

It is depressing to me and a lot of people to think that when we die - that's it, end of story. Mark Twain said "I'm not afraid to die, I've been dead for billions and billions of years." Which is true in the sense that we are "dead" before we are alive. And can anyone remember life before they were born? Numerous people claim memories of past lives...numerous schizophrenics claim talking to real people. You be the judge. Personally, I believe there is a very real energy that gives us life. When

[satanicinternational]

I seriously doubt there is a conscious afterlife.... when you going to get a better web cam venus? ; P

[VenusSatanas]

i need to turn off my fan when im recording. obviously it gets too loud..

i noticed several people here mention something about reincarnation. Reincarnation is a religious belief of hinduism and the east. reincarnation assumes the same belief as christianity, but with one difference. if this life is *crap* you can always hope for a better reincarnated life. that is not much different than hoping to go to heaven. its a religious idea, and as we know the religious do not have the answers.

[autumnenergy]

I understand where you are coming from regarding this. You are trying to stay logical in the face of "unproven" beliefs. BUT...have you ever thought of having a Past Life Regression or have you ever or attempted to have an Out of Body Experience? Even if you don't believe, as an occultist you should respect your OWN experiences. See what happens if you have an OBE. It's hard to believe that no Satanist out there has ever had an OBE or a memory of a past life.

[VenusSatanas]

sure. ive experienced OBE. this neither proves nor disproves the christian ideas of heaven and hell, and has nothing to do with satanism.

[autumnenergy]

I was a little off topic. My comment was in regards to whether or not something existed after the death of the body. I was trying to connect the exp. of an OBE with the soul. It is the soul that leaves the body during an OBE. I was wondering what your thoughts are in regards to where that soul goes after death. Energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed. To cease existence is impossible. I do not believe in any heaven or hell either but I believe n the continuation of the soul.

[satanicinternational]

lol @ iggy35

[mediahellgod]

this comment is unimportant but i belive that when i die i will transend into a greater being simaliar to that of an angel or other astral being

[Satanicallyfree]

Christianity was created by Zionist Jews to destroy Gentiles. It was their weapon against the Roman Empire. It has destroyed the Gentiles original religions which are branded as evil. It is time for us to return to our roots. Christians get rid of your Jewish slave program. The zionists want every Gentile to embrace this horrible abomination of a religion so they'll be good gullible slaves. Turn the other cheek? Love everybody? this is self destructive. It's ashame christians can't see this.

[iggy35]

I just wanna go where your going

[lokigui]

I would sell my S..L for a coven of succibi in my bed every night. Tthey would have to be all that and then some.That would be a deal I would honor, blood tithe and all.

lokig

[Toddthedidger]

I think 30 minutes alone with Venus Satanas would be heaven... : )

[VenusSatanas]

umm. maybe not?

[ordodraculknight]

LOL!

[TheBejstam]

Good videos, but i think it's kinda hard to hear sometimes, because of the camera. I would reccomend getting a better one :)

[AzzRaaHall]

It doesnt matter what you believe

What matters is if its true

When we die,,we will find out

What lies beyond

[derekwilliams1982]

Personally I believe in reincarnation. But, the life we are living now is unique and when we die all that we experienced in this life will be forgotten in our next incarnation. So yes, it's best to take the Satanic viewpoint and live this one life as if it's our one shot. Thanks for reminding me of the larger reality!

[slickrickjohnson]

This question cant be proven one way or the other so I'll just live for the moment and see what happens when I close my eyes for the last time.Well then agian I could die with my eyes open.All of my deceased family and animals live through me.Well atleast the family I knew maybe even the ones I didnt know.Thier genes are in mine.If I'm become a ghost I will protect my family and torment my enemies until they go mad.Yeah I have to say being a ghost for me would be better than the christian heaven

[kolbytard]

I believe the bible is just a way to get society to follow rules. Including the heaven and hell situation. Live life to the fullest.

[nightstep]

we reach a curtain stage in our simulation of being human, that no longer require its services. We then let go of our old form and then try a new form. However a lot can be gained just from having good will and intent alone. nothing ever dies it just changes form..

[nargargole]

Good to engage the question, for the answer is in debating the question rather than answering it as if the question was: 'is it raining where you are?'

The here and now; death is the Black Wave; I think the Now is the 'paradise' to which I refer in my Onyx Requium Mass of Satanism, a word objected to by some Satanists. See works by Eckhart Tole

[sardo101]

great video. kinda at a lose for words just got off work and really tried but it was great

[greendayaremyheros]

nice video :)

[Akbar271]

I know satanist is a freewill faith(do what its best for you) but Do u believe in reincarnation ?(venus)

[Kenesis27]

actually many people have died for minutes but not the full decay.... and have come back to talk about it. I know you believe differant.

[Kenesis27]

However your approach on your video is much more impressive, i prefer a practical honest person, than a superficial liar..

[StevenErnest]

When you say you don't believe in anything at all, I would call you an Existential Satanist. ^_^

I've always liked the John Milton quote, "The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make heaven of hell, a hell of heaven."

[Darkl3lade1000]

Nice video

[TheResident777]

I do believe that when we die theres something else out there. The human body dies but the soul doesn't.

[hopdevil666]

Well said!

[DrGiggles68]

The Heaven/Hell thing is just a reward/punishment (what I refer to as a "juju on a stick") used to frighten the ignorant and gullible into abject compliance. Needless to say, because of this, I do not believe in Heaven or Hell but I DO believe in progressive reincarnation; which early Christianity actually taught until the Roman Catholics took it out in Emperor Constantine's time.

[Jimb0can]

There is something out there but we don't know what it is. There is of course differing opinions on it. The uviverse is a strange place.

[woodsofodin]

I'm inclined to believe in existence of some form after what we know as life, but I totally agree that Heaven and Hell is just a scare tactic.

[Alliance3k]

Another concept would be that Heaven and Hell are states of mind..Heaven is what u make it and Hell is what u go thru..reverting back to Cause and Effect...Karma..you are what u think..

[BurningShadow11]

Actually there are people who have return from death; with the help of modern resuscitation methods. I'm talking about clinical death. People who have experienced this say that they felt a powerful ecstasy sensation.

[GiftofGod18]

not from what i have read

[uberjim83]

The experiences often related by such people usually mirror the ordinary side effects of the anesthetic drugs they put people on. Also, you're not really dead if your brain is still functioning, and nobody has been brought back from that. At best, people have been brought back from having their hearts stopped, which occurs during heart attacks. When this happens outside of a hospital and the person is revived through CPR, the experience is quite different.

[BurningShadow11]

You are right, uberjim83, the brain is still "alive", but it must be another level of subjective perception, one closer to the objective...

Nobody knows exactly what is beyond this life, and the conventional religions made use of this. Manipulation by fear is a cruel and efficient one.

[StevenErnest]

Yes, but the question is whether this experience is merely a brain-chemical delusion, or an actual perception.

[VenusSatanas]

i have always wondered that...good point StevenErnest

[KluKluxKLAM]

i dont agree with u 100% on your view of this this is the weakest concept i have seen u present

[VenusSatanas]

why is that?

[KluKluxKLAM]

your just stating that you dont believe in hell and you go further by saying you dont believe in style of death. some of your studies ive watched...wait are you saying that youve never had a enity appear

[VenusSatanas]

no, i just dont accept the christian idea of heaven and hell after death

[Gannok130]

As for the afterlife, I think we either become ghosts/wraiths/spirits or dissipate and reborn into something else...since the Heaven & Hell were originally never intended to be afterlife realms (Hell is basically a prison where God casted Lucifer and his rebelling Angels down into for example).

[Gannok130]

Well lets put it this way, there is no singular truth but rather belief defines reality meaning every single culture/society's folklore/mythology/religion/ including science are all true...only except that we in the modern era now live in a consensual reeality where science is the dominant paradigm currently...

Perhaps you should read White Wolf's Mage: The Ascension for a better understanding what I'm talking about...

[uberjim83]

So, no belief has ever been incorrect, even when it contradicts other beliefs held by the same person?

[Gannok130]

Yep, Reality is subjective and belief is what defines it...When you go around defining what is "correct" and "incorrect" is simply called biopower/governmentality.

For further reference, read any Post-Structuralism/Modernism materiel like Micheal Foucault and such.

[japaneseey]

were worm food! simple!

but if there were heaven and hell at least all the cool people will be in hell \m/

[Aurone]

I've always thought Reincarnation made the most sense. We live, we die, whatever happens happens, and we live again, a constant spiral or cycle or whatever you want to call it.

I'm not wanting rewards or punishments after death, I'm wanting another life started over.

[crimsonmoon92]

I don't believe in whatever happens happens; I want to have control over my life and I will. So it will not be whatever happens, happens. It is whatever I want to happen, is what will happen. Nothing else controls me but me. Though I do believe in reincarnation, I live as if this is my last life. Just as I live as if this might be my last day or last year of living.

[dryadivine]

I agree with finding it extremely hard to believe in an afterlife. I would like to think that reincarnation is a good possibility, but that what we are reincarnated as is more random than having much to do with karma. In my deepest heart, though, I feel that the only place I'm going when I die is in the ground. Or in a super hot oven. Haven't decided yet. :P

[masticina]

Heaven sounds boring, just think it having to share it with those nasty hate preachers.

[VenusSatanas]

right, LOL