I agree with you in part that jazz came out of the ghetto but It doesn't have to be that way and it hasn't always been that way. a perfect example is Miles davis. Another example would be people who came from musicians such as gerald clayton, and Mark whitfield's son. It has less to do with socioeconomic standing and more to do with culture and community. The scene is different today and that's why the music doesn't sound the same.
Blues can be played at different tempos, no? Grant Green loved these tempos. This guy knows his Charlie Parker, same as Eric Clapton (a "foreigner") knew his Freddie King. Do you think of Oscar Peterson as a "foreigner"? Did you listen to the improvised solo here...the lovely comping? I thought it sounded right in the pocket, and was very soulful. What does it mean to sound 'white' anyway? Is that supposed to be bad? Do Stan Getz, Jim Hall, Bill Evans, etc. sound too white?
The Blues comments/arguments are interesting. I would like to throw one thing out there. Does every singer have to phrase like Louis Armstrong to be considered "Authentic" in terms of Jazz? Does every guitarist have to create lines and phrases like Wes Montgomery or George Benson (his prodigy) to be acceptable to the Jazz Nazi ear? Lorne is playing a blues in the style of Lorne, nothing more, take it or leave it, but don't dis it! Using terms like "soporifically insipid" does not help!
@Chessguitar - I meant that his playing is soporifically insipid. Of course, I wouldn't expect a foreigner, with no connection to jazz whatsoever, to hear it. This kind of plodding dirge-like interpretation is the musical mainstay of your culture.
@Hoopermazing You're full of junk. Lorne is widely regarded as one of the world's greatest living jazz guitarists. You have no sense or understanding of jazz.
Chessguitar: man lots of anger in your post. Just listen to the music. You will hear some interesting ideas in there, and plenty of "connection" to the culture. Good music should bring us together and this is pretty good if you ask me. If you want to get all worked up about "foreigners" then maybe you should be checking out some other type of music besides jazz.
@fuzzycontrol1327 I think you misunderstood me. I gave an ironic reaction to the comments of Hoopermazing. I appreciate Mr Lorne and his friends. I wish I could have been there to join.
@Hoopermazing no connection to jazz? This man has played with the likes of Oscar Peterson, Chet Baker, Ed Bickert, and Pat LaBarbera. Maybe that doesn't impress you since Oscar Peterson is the only black one on the list? I'm guessing you hate Bill Evans too because white people just can't be jazz giants.
@siegelc005 Eddie Lang, Django Reinhardt and Joe Pass are among my favorite guitarists. My primary issue with Lorne Lofsky is that is his playing is boring and soulless... which might have more to do with being Canadian than merely white. There are whites who have excelled in the idiom of jazz... but is still OUR music, and white opinions of and tastes in jazz matter as little to me as my hatred of Handel and new country likely matters to them.
@Hoopermazing I don't usually get involved in this sort of thing, but I think what you're saying is very ignorant. Music belongs to everyone, and it is especially ignorant to make generalizations about Canadians and/or whites. While jazz originated with African-Americans, it belongs to the world now, and there are not only a number of great white jazz musicians, but also a great many Canadian jazz musicians.
True! Real Jazz is music from the streets so to speak. Check out the non academic backgrounds of a few..Charlie Parker,George Benson, Wes, and others .Music was taken out of the ghettos and thus affected those who originated it .It was by intent that I''m sure of. Currently poor kids in the urban public schools are fed pizza and a cookie ,sugar laden "fruit juice"for breakfast often ,or similar. Lack of money? After the Wall street fiasco,9/11 and no WMD's ?
@jazz1bro there are plenty of "academic" players who will blow your doors. go to a real jazz city with a college and you'll find out. or just go to detroit you'll find both. there are motown cats that still play and teach, gig, jam, etc. the art still exists
Since when did "souless Canadians" become a well enough stereotype that you could make an arrogant-sounding statement about it? Lenny Breau and Ed Bickert were both great guitarists, standing in similar esteem to informed musicians as Pass or Reinhardt. And for the matter, jazz is about the ability to express one's character and ideas, and soul, I think, is something so cosmic and abstract that you probably could not identify its absence when comparing virtuosos.
Not really saying that you're incorrect, but I think you were being quite the pretentious troll there. Your position as either black or a stout follower of classics doesn't really give you any additional say or reason to be egotistical in the jazz realm. It's just surprising that such an articulate viewer would make a comment like that when jazz has traditionally been such a binding force between races. Discomforting, is all.
I can tell you that the Lorne and Ed Bickert got my attention long ago. Bear in mind I've seen Albert King,BB, and Freddie King live. So what does that tell one who has any sense of accurate history. I have emailed Lorne and he has gotten back to me. I respect great musicianship in all forms. The blues has been experienced by all folks ,that's why it is appreciated by all. Sure there are maybe deeper connections due to over 240 years of terrorism against certain folks in the USA.
This cat played with Oscar Peterson......I bet that was so fun....
jgl2222 1 month ago
this guy is EPIC!!!
JOEblowable 2 months ago
I agree with you in part that jazz came out of the ghetto but It doesn't have to be that way and it hasn't always been that way. a perfect example is Miles davis. Another example would be people who came from musicians such as gerald clayton, and Mark whitfield's son. It has less to do with socioeconomic standing and more to do with culture and community. The scene is different today and that's why the music doesn't sound the same.
scarpia86 1 year ago
Edit: ...but it is still...
Hoopermazing 1 year ago
@Hoopermazing
Blues can be played at different tempos, no? Grant Green loved these tempos. This guy knows his Charlie Parker, same as Eric Clapton (a "foreigner") knew his Freddie King. Do you think of Oscar Peterson as a "foreigner"? Did you listen to the improvised solo here...the lovely comping? I thought it sounded right in the pocket, and was very soulful. What does it mean to sound 'white' anyway? Is that supposed to be bad? Do Stan Getz, Jim Hall, Bill Evans, etc. sound too white?
encounter1000 1 year ago
1:30
"girl talk"
just great.
Andreeeiiii 1 year ago
The Blues comments/arguments are interesting. I would like to throw one thing out there. Does every singer have to phrase like Louis Armstrong to be considered "Authentic" in terms of Jazz? Does every guitarist have to create lines and phrases like Wes Montgomery or George Benson (his prodigy) to be acceptable to the Jazz Nazi ear? Lorne is playing a blues in the style of Lorne, nothing more, take it or leave it, but don't dis it! Using terms like "soporifically insipid" does not help!
stickwithahit 1 year ago
Wow, I've never heard the D Natural Blues sound more sterile and white.
Hoopermazing 2 years ago
that was a little racist, but i admire lofsky's work, mostly in bebop
sebthehousekid 2 years ago
@Hoopermazing you mean that you don't hear emotions? no sense of harmony? bad timing? no street credible jungle feel? hahaha
Chessguitar 1 year ago
@Chessguitar - I meant that his playing is soporifically insipid. Of course, I wouldn't expect a foreigner, with no connection to jazz whatsoever, to hear it. This kind of plodding dirge-like interpretation is the musical mainstay of your culture.
Hoopermazing 1 year ago
@Hoopermazing You're full of junk. Lorne is widely regarded as one of the world's greatest living jazz guitarists. You have no sense or understanding of jazz.
graycam 1 year ago
Chessguitar: man lots of anger in your post. Just listen to the music. You will hear some interesting ideas in there, and plenty of "connection" to the culture. Good music should bring us together and this is pretty good if you ask me. If you want to get all worked up about "foreigners" then maybe you should be checking out some other type of music besides jazz.
fuzzycontrol1327 1 year ago
@fuzzycontrol1327 I think you misunderstood me. I gave an ironic reaction to the comments of Hoopermazing. I appreciate Mr Lorne and his friends. I wish I could have been there to join.
Chessguitar 1 year ago
@Hoopermazing no connection to jazz? This man has played with the likes of Oscar Peterson, Chet Baker, Ed Bickert, and Pat LaBarbera. Maybe that doesn't impress you since Oscar Peterson is the only black one on the list? I'm guessing you hate Bill Evans too because white people just can't be jazz giants.
siegelc005 1 year ago
@siegelc005 Eddie Lang, Django Reinhardt and Joe Pass are among my favorite guitarists. My primary issue with Lorne Lofsky is that is his playing is boring and soulless... which might have more to do with being Canadian than merely white. There are whites who have excelled in the idiom of jazz... but is still OUR music, and white opinions of and tastes in jazz matter as little to me as my hatred of Handel and new country likely matters to them.
Hoopermazing 1 year ago
@Hoopermazing I don't usually get involved in this sort of thing, but I think what you're saying is very ignorant. Music belongs to everyone, and it is especially ignorant to make generalizations about Canadians and/or whites. While jazz originated with African-Americans, it belongs to the world now, and there are not only a number of great white jazz musicians, but also a great many Canadian jazz musicians.
bluedoss 1 year ago
@bluedoss
True! Real Jazz is music from the streets so to speak. Check out the non academic backgrounds of a few..Charlie Parker,George Benson, Wes, and others .Music was taken out of the ghettos and thus affected those who originated it .It was by intent that I''m sure of. Currently poor kids in the urban public schools are fed pizza and a cookie ,sugar laden "fruit juice"for breakfast often ,or similar. Lack of money? After the Wall street fiasco,9/11 and no WMD's ?
jazz1bro 1 year ago
@jazz1bro there are plenty of "academic" players who will blow your doors. go to a real jazz city with a college and you'll find out. or just go to detroit you'll find both. there are motown cats that still play and teach, gig, jam, etc. the art still exists
scarpia86 1 year ago
@scarpia86 Technically sure..That"s' my point!
jazz1bro 1 year ago
@Hoopermazing
Since when did "souless Canadians" become a well enough stereotype that you could make an arrogant-sounding statement about it? Lenny Breau and Ed Bickert were both great guitarists, standing in similar esteem to informed musicians as Pass or Reinhardt. And for the matter, jazz is about the ability to express one's character and ideas, and soul, I think, is something so cosmic and abstract that you probably could not identify its absence when comparing virtuosos.
RovertJify 1 year ago
Not really saying that you're incorrect, but I think you were being quite the pretentious troll there. Your position as either black or a stout follower of classics doesn't really give you any additional say or reason to be egotistical in the jazz realm. It's just surprising that such an articulate viewer would make a comment like that when jazz has traditionally been such a binding force between races. Discomforting, is all.
RovertJify 1 year ago
@RovertJify
I can tell you that the Lorne and Ed Bickert got my attention long ago. Bear in mind I've seen Albert King,BB, and Freddie King live. So what does that tell one who has any sense of accurate history. I have emailed Lorne and he has gotten back to me. I respect great musicianship in all forms. The blues has been experienced by all folks ,that's why it is appreciated by all. Sure there are maybe deeper connections due to over 240 years of terrorism against certain folks in the USA.
jazz1bro 1 year ago
@RovertJify
Was? Ed Bickert? Is he still alive?
jazz1bro 1 year ago
@jazz1bro
Bickert is still alive, although he unfortunately quit touring after his wife died about ten years ago. I don't know if he continues to play.
RovertJify 1 year ago
Sounds like West Coast Blues?
SamuraiAssain 2 years ago
D- Natural Blues is the title
dliparini 2 years ago
Wonderfull
bula92 2 years ago
@bula92 andd beautifull tooo
dodobeurk 1 year ago