The ultimate Bedini motor

[WrongBirthday]

i have problems to understand your english...smile

[WrongBirthday]

hello furzeham can u please let me know what is the benfit of this construction?  overunity? best recharge for batteries? please make it clear for noob like me..thank you

[CaspaB]

1. When the switch closes the capacitor is shorted. No wonder the paperclip you used was wearing out!

2. When the switch is opened, the back-emf operates to try to maintain the current in the same direction. In your circuit, this will cause the cap to charge, not go through the diode. If the batt voltage is greater than the diode drop, current will flow continuously.

Is the circuit in error, or am I missing something?

[ghpiygfuy]

!!!!w w w  diymagneticmotor com for FREE energy~~~

[Spirality0]

duracell? Surely it would work better with rechargeable batteries?

[JustinJJHCS1]

well you have AA dry cells powering the circuit and they are always loosing a charge so you need to add another charging coil to make up for heat and resistance losses. then try running it on a small lead acid gell cell or a Lithium cell I have seen this motor work and keep running without a battery you simply do not have big enough capacitors to overcome Electrical Resistance and Friction

[333kgb]

The negative on the primary battery go’s to the inner 20 gauge wire on the coil which also go’s to the emitter on the transistor and the inner 24 gauge wire from the coil go’s to the collator on the transistor then the neon bulb is connected to the emitter and collator does it matter which way I put the neon bulb? And is there any problems you see in this hookup? I noticed when I put a drill bit in the coil it shoots it out and my core is made of drill bits. help!

[333kgb]

The potentiometer is connected to a 24 gauge outside coil wire. My 1N4007 diode is connected to the positive on the secondary battery. Then the outside 20 gauge wire runs to negative on the secondary battery and on the positive on the primary battery.

[333kgb]

Nice video! Hi I have been trying to get the bedini motor to work, but the wheel just comes to a stop. My setup is 1N4001 diode is connected on the emitter to the base on the transistor. Then the base is connected to a 470 resister. Then resister is connected to the potentiometer.

[LiamXaoh]

Mythbusters said Bedini motors don't produce over-unity. They only said that because the batteries went flat...then again what more proof is there?

In this video he says it won't work without the battery. Isn't that proof these things don't self run? Why do people say they're over unity if they don't self run? Idiots.

[MrTpengineer]

I can't see the circut!

[p3x797]

Oh, and also through a chemical process of pulsed transient spike charging, the battery life is extended and is able to charge much quicker, and retain a higher potential.

[p3x797]

and when the field of the coil collapses, you get a transient spike in the coil. I think because the battery (diopol) acts to use the collapsing field as a source, and so you get an EMF spike. You also get a Back EMF (electromotive force) when you charge the coil, this is the vacuum polarisation acting in oposition to the electron wave. Eseentially for one coil pulse you get BEMF, Mechanical Energy, and a transient spike from the field collapse. This all can = over unity.

[p3x797]

What is the vacuum is a bit like asking - how long is a piece of string. When you get down to the planks length 1.616252(81)×10−35 METERS.. which just so happens to be extremely close to the golden ratio/section the heisenberg uncertainty principle expresses that the length becomes uncertain. Energy exists around 0 energy which is 0 degrees Kelvin, it fluctuates around this point, if you add the + amplitude to the - of every wavelength - you get energy. An electric field polarises this vacuum

[p3x797]

You want over unity? Go take a look at the wind, take a look at the waves, take a look at a stream, take a look at the electron, take a look at the diapole. All this device does is act as a negative resistor, just like a windmill, or a hydroelectric plant. Every electron, every atom, every particle is in perpetual motion. The fact that energy cannot be created or destroyed is an oxymoron. Most of the people using that term to debunk this are themselves morons if they cannot grasp the concept.

[MindAsFocus]

go to the site greenlivingitup to get an authentic blueprint for a working perpetual motion motor

[2biofan]

were bedini motors only overunity because it was one battery powering the motor and by that recharging the other, with more power as an output rather than less energy than the input (thus violating energy conservation)? Is it just making it easy to switch the batteries, rather than make the battery running it power itself? Or can it be more than that? Sorry if this question sounds elementary.

[comwarrior69]

erm, none rechargeable batteries do not recharges as well as rechargeables...

[TrutherD1]

Think about taking the energy from a strong magnet without destroying it. ;-)

[count3rculture]

mythbusters prooved there will never be sutch a thing as free energy and that the bedini motor is a lie i dont beliee uts over unity juxt a super efficient motor try making a machine like this that is more efficient than this say 95% if possible and see if you can switch batteries back and forth and seehow long this will last..ive heard its about 20 years but i think thats a hoax and that the batteries are new

[abmz1970]

think againg buddy i dit my experiments and i does work very well for me I call it clycle the battery with out lose any any I mean it energy back in to the other battery back in foward why it it so hard for some people to understand this!!!!!!!!!!!!! nothing is impossible I don't have to be a fucking genuis

[p3x797]

@count3rculture Mythbusters show what they WANT to show, nothing more, nothing less. If they prooved this working, they would be off the air.. Just because a tv show has said it will never work doesn't mean its true, or correct.

[rooflee]

@p3x797 It does in this case.

[ngern]

@p3x797 So true. I just recently finished working on a bedini motor with only one coil and it works wonderfully!

[word777]

your battery wil not charge with that rpm had the smae problem myself so try getting a higher rpm and youll see it will charger the battery

[cbvilleneuve]

You can get out of transformer a higher voltage than you put in, but not more power...There is internal loss due to heat and resistance.  In your diagram, you show the transformer output hooked directly into the battery... so the battery output is also feeding directly into your output capacitor, what for? If you were producing energy, you could remove the batteries as soon as the motor started and it would still keep on running. Did you try that?

[tookatookatoo]

Any update on this one furzeham. Has it stopped running yet?

[propet2]

for ou you need more coils

also the batteries have to adjust to this kind of charching, i found out that when fully charched the amps whil drop if overload.

[sk8cre8]

the ether? oh no you didn't...please tell me you did not use the term ether

[ZEROPOINT132]

Hi . Have a look at my video

( Radiant energy captured from a spark gap )

May help you recover any lost energy from you spark switch

cheers.

[jmartis2]

Is there anything special about this circuit? Does it charge the battery?

[silver760]

Using batteries that will not charge aswell as discharge wont help matters.

[koneheadx]

Run motor on 24V, and charge 12V battery stack from FWBR DC out straight into 12V battery stack

Place 2nd swtich on one of the AC legs of the FWBR

Turn this 2nd switch on-off in echo (slightly after) the motor ocil pulse.

Try the AC legs of FWBR over you motor switch itself - also try across the motor coil, and try over both motor cil and swtich too see what works better in your motor.

This method of backemf/recoil recovery lowers motor draw, increases power, while charging batts great

[PepperShkr]

Try using a much larger capacitor like 40,000 uf on your secondary.

Use batteries that can be recharge.

Fix your motor and minimize the lost of energy (eliminate the rubbing).

Power = Voltage * Current : What is your output current?

Try using a hall switch in series with a transistor on your primary coil.

[thumper88888]

If you learn some 4th grade science you might stop wasting time on this rubbish

[sacha4you]

thumper88888, LOL. Uou are unfair! You shouldn't take wrong beliefs from people. They want rather to believe than to know.

;-))

[thumper88888]

sacha4you, I realize this. im sorry. :>/

People. magnets are wonderful things.

Its fun to play with them. I do almost

every  day.But any magnetic system puts

out exactly the energy you put into it.

Every video on here proves it. Have fun

anyway.

[sacha4you]

thumper88888, from physical point of view, I agree. Despite, a magnetic system can be a overunity device, if you take in account the extra belief-energy, created beside the physical energy return. That drives the whole perpetua-mobile business. Isn't it?

;-))

[thumper88888]

That's it!! A foil headband may be the missing element here...

[sacha4you]

thumper88888, yes maybe. However a magic rod and a flying carpet could help too.

;-))

[thumper88888]

That's it! with magnets wove into the fringe.

[sacha4you]

thumper88888, what exactly wanted you to tell me?

;-))

[nickthesafe]

I think the problem is that 4th grade science has yet to catch up with some of the effects being seen by many builders of these types of circuits.

[sacha4you]

nickthesafe, I hate to tell, but you babble common-places:

'...effects being seen...' What kind of effect? What are the manifestations? What is extraordinary? What kind of side-effects was excluded?

'....by many builders....' is something like 'many scientists say', 'as newspapers wrote', etc. Who saw what, and when?

Conclusion: You are kindly invited to tell us about a tangible proof, otherwise your post simply drive perpetua mobile believers to waste even more time.

;-))

[nickthesafe]

OK, you shouldn't quote what i didn't say!. Build yourself a simple trifilar wound coil and trigger the primary using a 2n3055 base fed via the trig coil. You'll see the expected HV-AC out from the secondary, but remember all coils are the SAME... you don't need the rotor, and you don't need a core. By tweeking the bias voltage you'll hit a sweet spot where input current falls off sharply and output V+I rise. If you then examine the output waveform you'll see spikes that can't be account for.

[nickthesafe]

I don't claim to be a scientist, but i know how to calculate power, When the circuit is at resonance there are things going on that are not fully understood. Don't ask me for an answer!. Instead, build one and see for yourself.

[sacha4you]

nickthesafe, well, then please tell me, how you do calculate power, and, have you ever heard about the thing, that power is not the same thing as energy? Particularly when (pre)charged batteries and capacitors are involved, this energy must be accounted too.

Further difficulty: Batteries regularly exhibit a non-linear and time-variant impedance. Conclusion: To prove overunity, such a system had to exhibit self-running capabilities - what translates to the definition of perpetua mobile.

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[koneheadx]

When you measure power from a pulse motor's recoil and backemf into cap, or from pulsed gen coils that are induced by magents on the motors shaft, measuring power is a subject of JOULES

this is the power released from a capacitor into load.

Conventional power measurements leaving a reisitance on the sinewave throughout the entire sinewave is pretty stupid way really - the cap will not fill anymore than at the peak of that sinewave so why leave resistnace and load on it after the peak?

[sacha4you]

koneheadx, LOL. The fact, energy is measured in Joules, seem to be breathtaking news to you. Interestingly, 1 Joule equals to 1 W·s too. I've never seen a cap that filled anymore due to a serial resistance - exept you exceeded the rated voltage, or to charging voltage were lower than the capacitor is already charged.

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[koneheadx]

take a deep breath yourself on whatever it is you are smoking.

Power is measured in a pulse motor in joules release from capacitors into load get it? thats all I am saying.

reocovery caps will always fill X20 of what is pusled into motor coil in Bedini type pulse motors duh

this is because the backemf/recoil spike is captuered

and then also the cap can be put to use when you pulse that cap either back into motor or 2nd batery stacks to charge.

[sacha4you]

koneheadx, nope again. SI-unit of energy is Watt-seconds [W·s]. To honor James Prescott Joule, 1 J equals 1W·s. And power is NOT measured in Joules. It's measured in Watts; what equals to 1V·A for cos(phi)=1. However, have you ever asked, why a Bedini motor does not create any useful net energy and does not even self-sustain it's own permananet movement? I'd suggest, you took a look into the total energy balance. And you have it.

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[koneheadx]

Watts is joules joulse is watts duh are you stoned drunk or do you take stupid pills?

There is a Bedini self sutainign motor on youtube. of course you will call it a fake because you have no clcue about this subject excpect catch phrases from science books that make you seem like you know something but you dont know anything because you only rank down people on youtube, flood comments section, and that is all.

[sacha4you]

koneheadx, once again nope: Read exactly, what I've wrote: Watt-seconds [W·s] are Joules and is energy. Power is Watts [W].

A video is all but a proof. Show me one single peer-reviewed paper that confirms the existence of a perpetua mobile - and you have it.

Yes, I like to I joke around with perpetua mobile fanatiscts, because I love to see, how they have finaly drink their daily ration of oil - instead of enjoying real, cheap energy. Just, because they deny laws of nature.

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[koneheadx]

look up and study STOCHASTIC resonance...this would be the core of the coil in resonance condition.

Most conventional machines and structures are designed to avoid resonate conditions to avoid destruction - here you want to design for it and capture it and sustain it.

The fact radio works (and radio should be "impossible" too) is all about resonance.

Also Radio frequncies is that "radiant energy" everyone talks about

[sacha4you]

koneheadx, nope. Nothing is stochastic here, since you have a cyclic machine. Hence a Bedini motor can be (theoretically) completly described by LTI-theory. Odd resonance fractions in all LTI-systems simply add up and show infinite cycle time. Radio is definitivly not a magic thing , nor it has something to do with mystic 'radiant energy'. It is strictly based on electromagnetic waves and follows Maxwell's famous equations.

;-((

[koneheadx]

the core's resonance is a stochastic resonance.

If a core is resonating, it will be dominant.

Radio would not work if you dont tune to a resonance.

Most dumb critics of Bedinsi work will ignore resonance, just like you do.

Radio frequncioes ca be captured into caps in pulsed coils recoil and back emf recovery circuits.

You will alwys get X20 voltage in cap compared to what the coil is being pulsed at, in the capaciotr that is capturing bacemf/recoil of a pulsed coil if you do it right.

[sacha4you]

koneheadx, I'm tired of discussing the ever same things with people; particularly, when they aquired factual immunity about well understood things, like ferroelectric properties of a dielectrics, Barkhausen jumps, BH-diagrams, models of real coils, etc. If you claim overunity, build a self perpetuating device, publish the papers people can replicate and verify your claims - and reveive the Nobel price. Otherwise get an education in electrical engineering and shut up.

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[koneheadx]

Shut up creep get yourself an education and get the nobel prize for yourself.

You know nothing you have not done any models or testing obviously, if you are so tired take a nap.

[sacha4you]

koneheadx, thank you for commenting. Your arguments are so refreshing.

;-))

[sacha4you]

nickthesafe, I've quoted exactly what you've written. Well, if you see effects in complex coil configuration, driven by nonlinear elements, you can't explain, then this does not mean automatically, others can't do it as well. I can't see any extraordinary thing, since delayed spikes and (coupled) resonance effects are a rather very normal here. They are explicable by inductive and capacitive coupling, Barkhausen jumps in magnetic materials, etc. However this is not the point: ...

[sacha4you]

(2) ... Since Bedini enthusiasts claim overunity, what translates that total output power diveded by total input power shows a number bigger than 1, a proof were very simple: Show a system that shows this value in a reproducable - and you have it.

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[furzeham]

If I may suggest a foolproof solution to the proof. Start witha big capacitor, charge it up to a known state, use it to power an alleged overunity device such as a bedini motor, let the motor charge a second capacitor of equal size until it stops. Then measure the charge in the second capacitor. If the charge in the second is equal to or greater in charge than the first then the case for overunity is proven - forget about spikes and couplings, just measure coulombs !!

[sacha4you]

furzeham, I hate to tell you, but measuring the charge, Coulomb, [A·s] is not enough. Energy [W·s] is the magic keyword here. W=C·U²/2. However, not one perpetuum mobile claim ever could be proven yet; and that will not in the future. Today we have means of multidimensional quantum physics to convert mass into energy, according to the good old W=m·c² law. However, people are far not ready for such a truth, because very concerning implications are connected to these technologies. ;-))

[furzeham]

Sorry to disagree but if you are going to get picky charge is calculated by the product of capacitance and voltage, Energy is calculated by 1/2 the capacitance times the voltage squared. You will notice that capacitance and voltage are the two items that are important in these equations, how you manipulate them is irrelevant. Lets just keep it simple shall we :-)

[sacha4you]

furzeham, well, at least we agree, you have to use voltage too, since charge is [A·s], Energy is [W·s]; what translates to the integral from 0 to T of u(t)·i(t)·cos(phi)·dt

However I ask again, show me one perpetually driven device the works. (Not just until then an energy storage device is empty)

;-))

[furzeham]

Okay so you can't do simple (Q=CV, always has, always will), never mind, the result is the same anyway and only works if you compare input and output using the same system and get rid of the battery carging nonsense. I never said there was one that worked although there are a lot of claims but these have never been demonstrated to my satisfaction to have any more out than in, some interesting ideas nonetheless and people are thinking and experimenting - its called having fun, and who knows ????

[Cstrife234]

@furzeham The question is...can it run and can it charge a battery with minimal manual ignotion, or charge from an outside source? I don't know a lot about these things, but I've seen some that seem to have a lot of promise.

[cujafish]

they just look like regular duracells

[cujafish]

are those batteries recharchable ?

[xerochaos187]

this motor setup is a new style hit and mis motor

[tastlwastl]

Hallo

Just put two of your Bedini-motors after another. Means, one Motor shall load the Battery of the other. If there´s really a gain of energy, this sysem should run very, very long.

Greetings, tastlwastl

[koneheadx]

Across your motor coil switch, instead try a FWBR of four diodes, (instead of your two) with 2nd swtich on just one of its AC legs that go across that motor coil switch.

Swtich this 2nd switch on-off like echo to motor coil pulse with same pulse width as the motor coil pulse.

Mo power Mo speed less draw no lug even when charging really low batts.

Best to fill cap and thne dump cap to charge batts at X2 voltage of charge batt.

Any cap dicharge under 12V is totally wasted charging batts.

[sceptic33]

is the voltage induced in your coil by the rotor higher than the battery voltage? It would be good to charge the battery using the generator function of the system, as well as recycling the field energies...

[furzeham]

No, its only a couple of volts because the coils aren't big enough, that why I was considering adding extra coils round the periphery of the machine to resolve this - but I haven't got time at the moment. As for all this germanium stuff, sorry, just not going there !

[sceptic33]

ultimately it would be nice to have all the wire in the circuit and coils made using germanium and insulated with a coating doped with some fairly active radioactive source. all a bit much for a home project i guess...

[sceptic33]

perhaps some germanium could be exposed to an alpha source, then the (nano?)fibres produced by this reaction(??)could be harvested and used to convert radiant alpha energy directly into electricity, using a reaction chamber full of radon gas and these micro-fine whiskers which transduce and conduct current out of the system.i'm not sure if Bruce Perreault is using the microfibres in his batteries, but it seems a good bet to me. will test this at some point for plausabilty/output...

[sceptic33]

one last crazy thought(actually not insane at all...)try to use germanium semiconductors, and have them in coated in some radioactive compound , one that decays with alpha particles... apparently, germanium releases high energy electrons if bombarded with alpha radiation.. every little helps..

[sceptic33]

an easy option would be americinium grains from a smoke detector glued to appropriate diodes.

[sceptic33]

ps. don't try this at home kids... radiation no good... i wonder how big a part germanium plays in bedini's magic. he is described as an 'alchemist' type, having an interest in rare earth ores, and a history of growing fine crystaline semiconductor needles for hifi's and making his own transistors. Germanium is known to spontaniously grow whiskers, due i'd guess to alpha particle reactions... the guy that patented alpha decay powered germanium batteries doesn't seem to like bedini much..

[sceptic33]

was thinking about the earth connection in the bedini self charger.. seems to me that the earth would act as a reservoir of negative charge, possibly drawn into the circuit by the mysterious potentials of the cutoff collapsing field...just a thought..

[furzeham]

Mmmmmmmm might try that later......

[rpraver1]

Can you post the specifics?

Value for the diode and the second capacitor.

[furzeham]

The diode is a general pupose silicon diode. I have used a 1N4001 but a 1N4007 would be better because is has a higher reverse breakdown voltage, but any relatively high voltage silicon diode would do. The capacitor is 470 microfarad 25 volts. My large rervoir cap is 2200 microfarad 63 votls but generally the bigger the better

[rpraver1]

Do you have more details about construction of your paperclip switch?

[sceptic33]

could wrap the whole thing in a big coil like the newman machine and bedini window motor,that would pick up any stray fields flying around...maybe evenmake it another bifilar and do something obscure with it..what fun.

[sceptic33]

nice work. i share your doubts but still find it intriguing.. good fun whatever happens i guess. it's good to have someone who seems to know what they're doing experimenting with this.

[furzeham]

Actually, I'm tempted to put some additional coils around the periphery and feed the output from these back to the battery too - but maybe I'm getting carried away now, I must stop this foolishness and get a life !!

[sceptic33]

careful, it'll send you mad if you think about it too much.. i'm hoping to borrow an oscilloscope when i get my new coils and transistors sorted... perhaps i should apologise now for encouraging you in the first place.

[koneheadx]

Do these "secondary/pikcup winds" with bifilars, (one half of bifilar is motor wind other is pickup wind)continue bifilar wund to more coiling in same direction as motor coil winding ARIUND coil, and also BEHIND coil too (lengthen core) PULSE OUT BETWEEN MOTOR COIL PULSES! (no lug!!!!!)