Ah, I will end your argumentation guys. Go to google and find logs about US friendly fire in Gulf War. Then stick those logs into the american ass and win the fight :-). Abrams got destroyed even without penetration. (not really a fault in Abrams design, its just physics. Penetration consumes energy. When armor is not penetrated, then all the energy is transofrmed to the heat and shock wave in armor destroying other parts of the tank.)
@torcidaSTobrec they now recently call it the t 90 because of some modern technology like thermal sightings, reactive armour, the secret gyro system, a new engine and more
the ERA has to be a low explosive. High explosive detonates, sending shockwaves throughout its surrounding medium. Low explosive deflagerates, similar to gunpowder, pushing the plate out.
@redreaper2020 ERA is obsolete in todays warfare. I will protect the tanks against non-tandem rounds but against tamden rounds it's usesless. It is a one hit wonder.
@quickzilver333 what? It adds protection. That's all it has to do. You can add spaced armor over some newer forms of ERA, but even with tandem charges, that charge will hit something. Besides which, many weapons are still single-charge, and it does have an effect against HEAT shells and even some longrod shots. In the simplest words, "can't hurt".
Just get out of here, I can already see the shitstorm in the comments you've left.
@redreaper2020 It is effective against weapons with single charged but when you put it up against Modern tandem rounds it is useless. Just look at the tanks equiped with ERA in combat. Israels Merkava equiped with ERA suffered alot of loses against the Kornet E. Russian T-80s/T72s has the same result. Have you ever wonder why the Abrams weighs 70tons? It's the Armor that offers the best and most protection.
@quickzilver333 of course composite will offer better protection. But not having a precursor round hitting at the same point as your main round is certainly not a bad thing. Duh.
I heard the Russians now have an RPG that' supposed to decoy active defensive systems with a precursor round. Should still beef up the chobham, especially over weak spots.
@redreaper2020 Thats why the last line of defense better be good which is the armor. Russia has a deffirent approach in Armor warfare than the Americans and NATO. Americans prefer the Heavy and well protected approach while the Russians preffer the light and heavily armed approach.
@acidburn134 holy shit you are one stupid ass kid that keeps denying everything huh.
quickzilver333 gave you a shitload of facts and you just keep replying with the same stupid shit. Just give up already. All MBT's of the Russian T-series are complet shit.
@oxide345 look up Tank competition in Canada and you will findout who won the competition. They all have experienced crew Leo2 vs Challenger II vs Abrams. The winner starts with a letter "A". enough clue for ya!
@SiliconDrifter true but the soviet tank armore was obsolete by the time they made it up it isn't the same system. if you know so much about tank why are you still watching videos like this?
@martydrooo Merk is slow, S Korean tank is about 2x the cost and unreliable, Leopard is a cheap alternative but not very survivable if penetrated, also has less upgrade potential. Only the Merkava is close to the M1's survivability.
Tanks are typically useless in urban combat. The Abrams is an exception to that; the TUSK II Abrams has done surprisingly well in urban combat. This is why it's going to be in service even though the US was about to get rid of it.
Wrong Stupid! T-80 and T-90 are garbage like T-72, T-64, T-62, T-54/55, T-34, and rest of your legacy tanks. They are garbage, trash, useless, waste of money, and piece of junks. US, Germany, France, and British got the best tanks in the world. All your tanks have been embarrass and got trashed from Korean War to 2003 War in Iraq. Your tanks are ugly by the way ugly died while the cool lives like M1 Abrams, Leopard 2, Leclerc, and Challenger 2.
@SilentEagles fact «Patton Neger» for you stupid ass. Indo-Pakistani conflict of 1965. U.S. supplied tanks for Pakistan against India. September 10, 1965 near the village of Asal Uttar was the largest tank battle of the Indo-Pakistani war. Where was destroyed Thousands of Pakistani tanks "Made in USA". .. India has lost about one hundred Soviet T55. "Patton Neger" remember the name "graveyard" Patton. "Pakistani Army Tank"
HA! T-90 tank best in the world? What a Joke! Nice tried fool the best tank in the world is the German Leopard 2A7. T-90MS in nothing new is just copying US/NATO tank back square turret. T-90MS is just garbage. T-90MS is using French Thermal Sight and Israeli Environmental control system. The M1A2 SEP TUSK can take out T-90MS. The Abrams tank go news weapons like XM1111 Mid Range Munition to defeat Active protection system like ARENA.
The T90MS is one of the most armored tanks in the world, maybe you should do a little research and see what they did with the T90MS, they imported electronical systems from other countries but pretty much everything else is their design. If you think I'm lieing you can contact a man by the name of Viktor Ivanovich Murakhovsky. Also the Russians and the Chinese both have 5th gen jets.
Also your M829 is still under production, so you really can't do anything with a weapon that hasn't been fielded, and the USA has it's F22 and F35 programs cancelled, they won't be making anymore. Learn about the J20 and T50. You should probably do a little more research on the T90MS, you look like a fool when you speak without correct facts.
Also your TUSK M1's are useless they were deemed inferior to the GCV plans the military has. Also your XM1111 system isn't even done being developed yet. Again you can't really use something in combat if it hasn't even been completed. You can simply use google and see that I'm correct.
The Abrams also got M829E4 Advanced Kinetic Energy which can destroyed your T-90MS new armour. USA and NATO are always one step ahead of Russia. US already built their own 5th Gen. Stealth fighter jets already. HA! Russia are failing behind just like China. Russia are too fat and stupid to catch up.
Sorry, but you folks are engaging on theoretics here. No battle experience to back these findings. This amounts to another penis measurement brag sheet warfare.
@Talshet ERA is worthless nowadays if the Tank is hit by a Bill2 anti-tank missile. The missile defeats ERA even the K5ERA. The good news is Bill2 anti-tank missile is made by NATO bad news for Russia. The M1Abrms is now equiped with the Rafael Trophy Defensive system. It is battle tested on Israeli Merkava4 against soft and hard kills.
@quickzilver333 AT first Bill2 is produced by Sweden not NATO or USA, learn to built your own AT weapons. Only 250.000 Bills are produced around the world do you realy think you can beat tanks so easily? Only USA is stupid enough to sent BMTs into battlefield nowdays.Russians learned from Afghanistan War, BMTs are useless in asymetric warfare. The Trophy systeme is only on few systeme installed and its less effective than Arena its only usefull when when RPGs get fired from more 50m.
@Talshet UK and USA are using tandem rounds just like the Bill2. The Bill2 is in the NATOs arsenal. The Trophy System is battle tested by the IDF Merkava4. It destroys hard and soft kills with only 1% chance of injuring surounding friendly toops. The Trophy System is also universal from light to heavy armored vehicles. Russia claimed to have a similar system in a tower configuration. Its a joke...LOL! once again they are way behind NATO.
@quickzilver333 Than you know you talk shit you have never seen Trophy or it effectivness.The Arena is the best that is confirmed from all experts. NATO and USA lacks behind russia in Tank APS ERA in 2 Generations Russian APS and ERA 3rd Generation can stop/reduce SABOT rounds US ERA and APS cant.
@Talshet The Trophy is already battle by IDF against Hezbollah fighters equiped with the latest Russian ati-tank RPGs and Missiles. The ERA is obsolete. It is a one hit wonder. The Tandem rounds has two charges one to defeat the ERA then the next to penetrate the armor. TANDEM rounds are different than SABOT. Nice try but the T-90 will get rape by the Leo2 and M1 Abrams.
@quickzilver333 Kontakt 5,Relikt and Kaktus ERA is 3rd generation and is Tandem ERA it can hold Tandem HEAT and reduce or stop SABOTs.Leo2 has more penetration than the M1 abrams Sabots the Wolfram SABOTs of Leo2 has more weight and closeness.The M829A1-E3 have only small DU core with smaller closeness but higher weight the 10kg and 8,5kg propellant(1555m/s) and germanDM43 7,5kg projektil 11,2kg propellant(1740 m/s).42M-3B-44M sabots of T90 was designed to penetrate Leo2 better armor than M1.
@Talshet K5ERA is worthless as a matter of fact ERA is worthless. It is a one hit wonder. Look at what happend to the Russian Tanks equipped with the K5ERA in Georgia vs Russian conflict. A bunch of them got destroyed during the initial phase of the conflict. These are NON- Export model Russian tanks also which they claim to have better armor than export models. T-90 is not even mass produce the main Russian Armor is T-72 and T-80. NATO has better defensive system for any hard or soft kill.
@quickzilver333 HEy idiot you have something to learn bastard.Export weapons are downgraded you stupid dumbfuck.Georgian tanks and era is downgraded 1st generation not Kontakt 5 only kontankt1.Russian T72 was hit 6-7 time by RPG7 and had no scratches russian Kontakt 5 is tandem function it will stand against tandem HEAT shells and reduce sabot rounds.Russian are fucking 2 generations above every other country.Russia shits on your puppet isreal bitches who only copying russian technology like you
@quickzilver333 The Arena is still the most effective APS systeme, its fast reaction systeme not like the inferior Iron Fist or Trophy systeme or german AMAP wich only are effective when RPGs fired from over 50 meters and mach1-3 will only get reacted abover 500 meter. Arena reacts RPG shells under 50 very good and can react against mach1-3 shells under 200 meter. There is no better concept Trophy reacts only in 47% Arena reacts in over 75%.Its combat proven but trophy not only in simulations.
@Talshet LOL! The Arena System is another bullshit claim from the Russian crappy technology. This is the same claim they made about the K3ERA and the K5ERA on their tanks during the conflict with Georgia. The Trophy and the Fist can be also retro fitted to fire anti-personel rounds. It already defeated the anit-tank missiles nad RPGs fired by Hezbollah on a Merkava4. It is battle tested and proven. Unlike the Russian bullshit Arena System. The T-90 will get Gang Rape by the Leo2 and Abrams..LOL!
@quickzilver333 no i no im a tank mechanic, they just started puting v3 upgrades on the tanks now, the a3 is not even production, the a3 is going to be a huge overhaul and the army cant afford it right now so they are settling for a few upgrades here and then rather then spend billions on a total redesign
@renster143 You are right M1A3Abrams is not in production yet but it will be within 10yrs. If you look at the specs of the M1A3Abrams. This tank is a beast.
Right. The Arena system is one of the most effective APS systems to be put out. Also Hezbollah pretty much kicked Israels ass, why would you even bring that up lol? They lost a nice amount of tanks there. Those Merkavas are good ovens.
@acidburn134 LOL! The Russian Arena junk system. The Abrams doesn't even need the Iron fist or ERA. The Abrams armor has never been penetrated all the way through the crew compartment. Not a single crew of the Abrams has ever died due to enemy attacks with RPGs and ATGMs. Compare that to the Russian made "NON_EXPORT" NOT A MONKEY MODEL T-80s and T-72s during the Chechen war....LOL! The Chechen rebels are slicing them through like butter. Nice and crispy Russian Crew inside.
The T80's and T72's are older tanks and that's a really stupid comparison because the American tank has reactive armor. You should probably look up the details before making a fair comparison. I believe 80 tanks have been damaged pretty badly in Iraq, and crews have been killed by IED's and Snipers. Enjoy your delusions.
@acidburn134 LOL! did you even bother to research of how much casualities has been inflicted by the Chechen rebels against the mighty Russian made T-72 and T-80?The M1A1 Abrams Armor during the 1st Gulfwar has never been penetrated by RPGs and ATGMs all the way through the crew compartment until now. IEDs and Snipers doesn't count.The Rusian T-80s and T-72s during the Chechen war in 96 is an upgraded version better armor better systems. Yet they were all slice like butter by the Chechen rebels.
The Gulf war was barely over a month long and it wasn't a type of conflict where the USA had to invade someone's homeland and held territory there. They did that in the Iraq war and that's the reason they lost tanks. You can do the research yourself on the Chechen war because it seems you are a bit misinformed. During the first war a lot of T72 had empty bricks which means their armor was pretty much ineffective.
Compare the tank losses of the first and second Chechen war, during the 2nd war the Russian properly filled the reactive bricks and there are account of tanks being hit multiple times by RPGs and ATGMs and still fighting on. During the first war there was a lot of issues with deploying their tanks, it wasn't the fault of the tanks, it was the Russian military command structure and their organization. Also the Chechens had tanks as well.
@acidburn134 LOL! The T72s and T80s with K3/K5ERA were also getting sliced open by Chechen Rebels. They would attack the ERA with multiple RPGs until the section is expose. ERA is obsolete a one hit wonder. The Chechen didn't have alot of tanks and the ones they have were Soviet made not Russian. The Chechen tank hunter killer team equiped with RPGs and anti-tank missiles are slicing open the might T-80s and T72s...LOL! Do your research again!...LOL!
Okay give me a source with how many tanks the Chechens destroyed in the second war. Post the source and amount of tanks killed here, it has to be a legit source though.
Also the T90 is much better equiped than the T72/T80, it has better armor, a better gun, and better technology. The T90MS is one of the most heavily protected tanks on the planet, as of today I don't think there are any MANPADS that could defeat it's armor in a single hit. I'm not bashing the M1 Abrams, but it definitely isn't the best tank on the planet.
@acidburn134 The T-90 is not even battle tested. It's another claim from the Russians that they are superior just like what they said about the NON-EXPORT T-72s and T-80s. The Abrams is not the best tank in the world but it is battle tested and so far NO CREW WAS EVER LOST DUE TO ENEMY ATTACK WITH RPGs and ATGMS. The M1A3ABRAMS is coming out soon and far superior than any Russian tanks.
I don't think you really understand why the Russian tanks failed. Had they been Abrams tanks they would have suffered the same, maybe you should take a look and see how prepared Russian tankers were in the first Chechen war, they learned however and that's why you won't be able to find a substantial account of tank losses in the second war.
@acidburn134 It's simple Russian T-80s and T-72s are inferior. You were saying that if it was the Abrams during the Chechen war it would have the same result. "WRONG" The Abrams has taken multiple hits by RPGs, ATGMs and Shot at by Iraqi tanks. The Abrams were dissabled but "NO PENETRATION ALL THE WAY INSIDE THE CREW". The Abrams crew survived while the Russians in there mighty T-80s and T-72s are nice and crispy...LOL!
Of course the T-80s and T-72s are inferior to Abrams, the Abrams is better in just about every way because most Abrams are pretty up to date. The Abrams has reactive armor that works, the Russians didn't have that when they went in to Chechnya. Also where is the stats for tank losses can you find me those? Or are you just going to keep arguing in a circle, bring some real facts to the table. Again, learn about the wars in Chechnya, you seem clueless about them.
@acidburn134 Your a dumbass! The Abrams that was used in Iraq and Afghanistan don't use ERA on the turret. The T-72s and T-80s during the Chechen war has K3/K5ERA all over the damn tank. It looks like a lego...lol! The ERA is obsolete it is a one hit wonder. The Chechen hunter killer team are firring multiple RPGs until a section of the T-80s and T-72s are expose with no ERA. Do the research on your own instead of yaping your mouth. Take your time and when you find it slap yourself!...LOL!
If you had listened you would have known that most of the those reactive armor plates had no explosive charges in them, so learn about reactive armor and them main component in needs to be effect. Even an Abrams would go down in this situation. Where is that tank loss report? You still haven't found one. You are arguing yourself in a circle and your facts are incorrect, you can google it, I know you won't you don't seem that intelligent.
@acidburn134 You are an Idiot! The T-72s and T-80s during the Chechen war is Russias best tanks. They use ERA later in the war to minimize damage but the Chechen hunter killer teams are shooting them with multiple RPGs in the same area. Therefore the ERA is rendered useless because it can only be use once. Compare that to the Abrams in 91 that has taken multiple hits. If you know how to count how many T-72s/T-80s crew have been roasted by Chechen rebels?...LOL
They were unprepared, it doesn't matter how many tanks you have, if they are ill equipped there is going to be issues. You see they used ERA in the second war that's why you still haven't found me that data have you? Also they would have to hit the exact same spot multiple times for ERA to be ineffective. So again find me a document that states how many tanks Russians lost. I don't really think you can lol, there goes your whole fail argument.
@acidburn134 LOL! You are asking me for a data and you write commenst on you tube. It's just shows how much effort you put in looking for information. The Chechen hunter killer team are ambushing the T-80s/T-72s in a narrow roads and streets. Therefore they were able to affectively attack the same spot with multiple RPGs. This is the same tactics that the Iraqi inssurgents use against the Abrams. The Abrams did well protecting it's crew. While the Russians are nice and crispy inside T-80s/T-72s!
Lol I'm asking you for data to back up your point. See you can't find the data so your argument holds no value. You are saying they lost so many tanks but yet you can't even provide a source? Lol.
@acidburn134 I will give you a clue since your too stupid to research. Look up T72s/T-80s in Checehen War. It's ok you can deny it once you findout how many Russian T-72s and T-80s have been destroyed...LOL!
@acidburn134 WTF! How is that invalid were infact there are facts infront of you and you still deny it. How many Russian T-72s/T-80s got destroyed in Chechen war? LOL! Let me give you another clue research War in Grozny.....You are just making excuses and in denial...LOL!
Chechnya is a small soviet state and even the Russian mighty T-72s/T-80s are getting demolished...LOL!
If you're trying to make an argument at least bring some proper facts to the table and back up your statements. I haven't made a single excuse, you just can't back up your statements with facts, keep trying kid lol
@acidburn134 Why would I provide "FACTS" that you already knew? I just gave you a clue but since you already know the result. You just keep on denying it because it's true...hahaha! Let me give you another clue look on the map and see how big is Checnya compared to Russia and yet the Russian got their might T72s/T80s slice open....LOL! Russian Armor losses was 200+ in just a few months during the Chechen war...LOL! just keep on denying it!...LOL!
I'm asking you to back up your point, cite your points. The Russians entered the first chechen war with only 230 tanks, and the chechens at the time had 50. The Chechens used Guerilla warfare, similar to what the Taliban are using against the USA in Afghanistan, if you know anything of warfare you will know that guerilla tactics are very effective. I've said it from the beginning, the Russians were barely ready, they didnt even have their ERA filled. You fail.
@acidburn134 Your and idiot you just answered your own question. Even with the ERA the T-72s/T-80s are still getting slice open due to the fact that the Chechen hunter killer teams are attacking the same spot multiple times. The ERA is only a one hit wonder. It is obsolete in todays warfare. The taliban and the Iraqi insurgents are doing the same tactic like the Chechens against the Abrams but they only manage to dissable the tank and the crew survived....Your a dumdass!! Just keep denying it!
They had no ERA in the first war. You have yet to provide any source for your false facts. Also you would have to hit the exact same spot over and over again, without guided munitions that is really difficult, almost impossible at range. You have a lot to learn, you are still too stupid to google anything and you are making an absolute fool of yourself lol. So where is that kill count? Don't have it yet? Oh yeah that's right, your argument is invalid. Stupid kids
@acidburn134 LOL! Like I said before why would I provide facts that you already know and foundout. You already know that ERA wasn't use in the first war but you seem to skip the information were ERA was only a one hit wonder against multiple attacks. The Abrams took multilple attacks from RPGs and ATGMs without ERA and still the crew survived. Now what does that tell you? The Abrams Armor is better....LOL! you are and idiot...LOL!
No you see your facts are wrong you can't provide me with a single kill count to back up your claims of Chechens tearing through Russian tanks. Abrams has ERA and that is what protects it from all of those hits, are you really this stupid? You have got to be trolling, there is no one on the planet with such logical fallacies.
@acidburn134 You are an idiot like I told you several times the Abrams are only using ERA of the side of the tanks and NONE were use on the turret. Compare that to the T-72s, T-80s and T-90s which is filled with ERA from top to bottom. You are in denial and you know it. You just said a few comments ago the Chenchens were tearing up the Russian tanks during the first war. Now you are saying I can't back up my claims...LOL!! You are just wigling your way out of bullshit...LOL!
I never stated Abrams had ERA on the turret, so that point you tried to make is invalid. You fail to do proper research, the Russians had the ERA there but it wasn't filled with explosive charge. Also I never stated that, your reading comprehension is fail, yet again, quote me directly on what I said, you'll see I'm not lieing. I keep asking you to provide sources for your facts, which you have yet to do, again proving your argument invalid. Nice try kid.
@acidburn134 Why would I provide information you already know? It is already proven that the Armor of T72s and T-80s is inferrior. ERA or not it should be able to protect the crew like the Abrams. You are just denying all the facts that you even provided. Did the T-72/T-80 Armor during the Chechen war got penetrated all the way through "YES". Did the Abrams Armor got penetrated all the way through "NO". Did the Russian crew survived"NO" did the American crew survived "YES"..Its that simple.LOL!
You can't back up your points you are trying to make, arguing in a circle. I'm not denying a single thing you can go back and read every post I've made while you argue yourself in a circle. You still haven't provided any sources to your "chechen hunter killer teams". Show me the tank losses and back up your point. It's so simple, you're wrong, but too stupid to notice it, you can't even form a readable sentence. Get out of highschool first, then try to argue LOL!
Also the Abrams has been penetrated by enemy combatants. Again another fail on your parts. If you would simply utilize the internet to do some reading you can go ahead and figure that out yourself. I'll give you a clue since you might not be able to piece that last sentence together, google History of M1 Abrams, enjoy reading, if you can read that is. You might need someone to read it for you LOL!
Are mentally retarded because if you do some damn reading you can see that abrams tanks have been penetrated there are a lot of documented cases of this shit happening
@theanonimousefag Really! Maybe you should do some reading also. All tanks can be penetrated but what I said was "PENETRATED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CREW COMPARTMENTS." The key word is ALL THE WAY THROUGH...You are a dumdass. How many tank crews did the Russians lost in the T-72/T-80 during the Chechen war? Compare that to how many tank crew the Americans lost in Iraq.....LOL! Do some research dumbass! Russian-Chechen War Documentary 2/2 on you tube. Now Slap yourself for being stupid...LOL!
Era is Rusia. Kontakt-5 is a type of third-generation explosive reactive armour originating in the Soviet Union. It is the first type of ERA which is effectively able to defeat modern armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds.
Please complete the story. Here is part 2: "Newer KE penetrators like the US M829A2 and now M829A3, have been improved to defeat the armor design of Kontakt-5. The M829A2 was the immediate response, developed in part to take on the new armor bricks. The M829A3 is a further improvement of this as well and designed to fight future armor protection methods."
@TheRadioman1976 Yes, this is so.But apart from outdated security Contact-5 is a new kind of protection, this armor "Knife" and active protection system "Zaslon".And with the installation of these systems even the obsolete T-72 and T-64 with additional armor armor modules are becoming neporazhamy in the frontal projection or M829A3 and its closest analogue DM-63 when firing from a gun with a barrel of L-55.
@thiagolck Kontakt-5 is obsolete now. Unsuprisingly, as it's 80's tech, and in fact M829A2 was developed to defeat it. To counter it Russians developed Kaktus and Relikt ERA, but never installed them on production grade vehicles, probably due to costs. In the meantime Americans developed M829A3, Germans DM-53, British L-28 etc.
You seem pretty knowledgeable on these things, I've always wondered, Would a sympathetic detonation occur in ERA if say a HESH round was fired at the tank employing ERA? or what about a cluster submunition with many small EFPs detonating a large amount of ERA tiles/bricks? How many ERA bricks would need to detonate to disable the tank?
@marmaladekamikaze ERA won't disable protected vehicle (may effectively disable nearby infantry though...) because base armor is always taken into account durring developement. Cluster ammo "clearing" ERA from tank sounds neat, but tandem HEAT can pierce single-layered ERA and hit armor behind it. Modern KE long-rod penetrators are also quite effective against ERA, DM-53 fired form Leo2A6 has like 50% chance to penetrate frontal armor of T-90 or Type-99 tanks with first hit.
It may not penetrate but would clearing all,or most, of the ERA from a tank near simultaneously not cause catastrophic spalling of the armor within the crew compartment?
No, these explosives are not that strong. Base armor still provides more than half of vehicle protection. Simultaneous explosion may cause "shock wave" through vehicle hull and possibly damage electric, hydraulics, shellshock effect on crew inside (tank when hit is like inside of ringing bell), same as beign hit by any warhead that didn't penetrate. But hull itself won't be damaged, it's not HESH round.
@kireta21 I know it is not a HESH round, but the effects of a simultaneous detonation of many ERA tiles would produce the same effects as a HESH round, perhaps producing effects even more devastating than a single HESH round, as there would be ~50 kilograms detonating. The explosives used in ERA are probably polymer bonded explosives, most likely based on the very stable TATB / Triaminotrinitrobenzene.
Yeah, but americans are now developing new types of penetrators that can defeat Kontakt-5... but of course, it's not like the russians are just spinning on Kontakt-5 and laughing. But in the end, ERA is just a "single-shot shield": APSs are even crazier, more active, and "better" (in a certain sense). It's also dangerous to crews around, like APSs. It's main advantage is simplicity and consequently effectiveness, and I imagine it to continue to be standard "real war" kit.
@M4A108 Read on Wikipedia about Russian Kontakt-5 armor. The USA tested it and found their 120mm M829 APFSDS to be ineffective. Hard to believe, but true.
funnily the depleted uranium dart fired by the M1A1 Abrams tank can easily get through its own armor, as evidenced by friendly fire in the Desert Shield and Storm conflicts.
its pretty amazing armor, the results surprised me to tell you the truth but if one reactive armor box ignited couldnt it ignite another one right next to it and thus creating a domino effect?
@CptAwesome096 To trigger a nuclear explosive it must be a controlled reaction otherwise it will just fissile. A critical mass can be reached inside one of the packs, but must be contained and controlled to split or fuse atoms in mass. In other words it would have to have an internal trigger, not external.
No armor can remain unpenetrated because there will always be someone willing to build and sell a rocket that costs 2-3-4 million$ (and thats is super exaggerated price btw) to kill a tank that costs 7million$.
And who did created those? Russians (+Ukrainians)!
Russians had these on their T-72 and T-80s years before the USA, same as Arena system (system that counterfire projectile to hit incoming missile appreaching up to 700m/s, 2100 f/s) or passive protection system that can jamm missiles guidance (IR, laser, optical). US army is now developing their own arena system, but they are criticized as that system type is available from Israel for 5 years and it could save lifes in Iraq, Afghanistan.
The flyer plate has practically no effect on the jet, which has all gone through the hole it made in the plate and is on the other side before the plate has moved an inch. Put simply, what happens is the explosive sends a shock wave through the jet, causing it to spread out and hit the armor over a much larger area. The flyer plate, (the thick kind in this video, as early ERA had 5mm thick ones) is meant to mangle the front of long rod penetrators.
Here in Brazil, the NEWEST armoured vehicle is now 37 years old. Our only aircraft carrier is on harbor, since five years ago. And Brazilian president Lula is 100% supporter of Iran and Hugo Chavez.
@showaltermicro no it's not. the T-80 has a turbine engine, and was derived from the T-64. it's bigger, wider, and roomier. i think you are thinking of the T-90, which is a heavily upgraded T-72 (with shtora, ERA, and better fire control)
Cool but we didn't invent it at all. The isrealis did. Then in 1982 in Lebanon The Russians litterally stole a M-60A1 that was covered in the stuff. (or so the story goes) Then within like a year Soviet tanks in the Fulda gap in EastGermany started showing up covered in it. We're just catching up now. Still a good Video though.
@lst1195 haha yep. this is pretty old tech. the latest russian RPGs are specifically designed to defeat ERA. they have two projectiles, one small one which flies faster than the main round. it will hit the ERA, create a gap which the main round can penetrate. also the chinese have been plastering their older tanks with the stuff. pretty cheap way of upgrading your tanks.
@garythegit yeah this clip is trying to make it sound like "Wow! look what we invented!" & I was like "Huh?" Yeah I've seen clips on here where a Kornet Missle punched right thru the stuff on a Merkava. Are the rounds for a RPG-7 updated now as you're discribing? or is the 7 pretty much done with.
@lst1195 the PG29V is a new round for the latest russian made RPGs. it's a tandem warhead and actually penetrated a Challenger 2 in 2007! the round is mostly fired from the RPG29 but the latest models of the RPG7(v2) can also fire it. it's doubtful if the insurgents have any of these latest pieces of kit in any quantity. otherwise we are in big trouble...
Russian tank rounds for T-90 tank have a triple-HEAT warhead, developed by Moscow mechanical institute, that can penetrate 2000 mm of steel behind ERA.
@DiscoverRussia that's interesting. i always thought people put in more development into sabot rod penetrators... do you have a name for the round so I can look it up?
btw in the military stuff like '2000mm' of steel isn't used as a scientific quantification. more like equivalence. even then there are many factors involved. the best way to test it is still to hit a tank with one of the rounds... basically you can't just say 'x' can defeat 'y' up to 'z' mms.
Ah, I will end your argumentation guys. Go to google and find logs about US friendly fire in Gulf War. Then stick those logs into the american ass and win the fight :-). Abrams got destroyed even without penetration. (not really a fault in Abrams design, its just physics. Penetration consumes energy. When armor is not penetrated, then all the energy is transofrmed to the heat and shock wave in armor destroying other parts of the tank.)
Ackreti 11 hours ago
Heh, two kids fighting to death about whose lie is better.
Ackreti 12 hours ago
russian tanks are shit!, the t-90 is only a t72 with reactive armour!
torcidaSTobrec 2 days ago 2
@torcidaSTobrec they now recently call it the t 90 because of some modern technology like thermal sightings, reactive armour, the secret gyro system, a new engine and more
bobsharks29 1 day ago
@bobsharks29 yes but thats not enough
torcidaSTobrec 13 hours ago
Battlefield 3.
13WhiteFang37 2 weeks ago 6
the ERA has to be a low explosive. High explosive detonates, sending shockwaves throughout its surrounding medium. Low explosive deflagerates, similar to gunpowder, pushing the plate out.
THought i'd leave taht little tidbit there...
redreaper2020 2 weeks ago
@redreaper2020 ERA is obsolete in todays warfare. I will protect the tanks against non-tandem rounds but against tamden rounds it's usesless. It is a one hit wonder.
quickzilver333 2 weeks ago
@quickzilver333 what? It adds protection. That's all it has to do. You can add spaced armor over some newer forms of ERA, but even with tandem charges, that charge will hit something. Besides which, many weapons are still single-charge, and it does have an effect against HEAT shells and even some longrod shots. In the simplest words, "can't hurt".
Just get out of here, I can already see the shitstorm in the comments you've left.
redreaper2020 2 weeks ago
@redreaper2020 It is effective against weapons with single charged but when you put it up against Modern tandem rounds it is useless. Just look at the tanks equiped with ERA in combat. Israels Merkava equiped with ERA suffered alot of loses against the Kornet E. Russian T-80s/T72s has the same result. Have you ever wonder why the Abrams weighs 70tons? It's the Armor that offers the best and most protection.
quickzilver333 2 weeks ago
@quickzilver333 of course composite will offer better protection. But not having a precursor round hitting at the same point as your main round is certainly not a bad thing. Duh.
redreaper2020 2 weeks ago
@redreaper2020 Thats why the new M1A3 Abrams is using also the Rafael Trophy defensive system incombination with the ERA.
quickzilver333 2 weeks ago
@quickzilver333 Good to hear.
I heard the Russians now have an RPG that' supposed to decoy active defensive systems with a precursor round. Should still beef up the chobham, especially over weak spots.
redreaper2020 2 weeks ago
@redreaper2020 Thats why the last line of defense better be good which is the armor. Russia has a deffirent approach in Armor warfare than the Americans and NATO. Americans prefer the Heavy and well protected approach while the Russians preffer the light and heavily armed approach.
quickzilver333 2 weeks ago
@acidburn134 holy shit you are one stupid ass kid that keeps denying everything huh.
quickzilver333 gave you a shitload of facts and you just keep replying with the same stupid shit. Just give up already. All MBT's of the Russian T-series are complet shit.
786killzone 2 weeks ago
@786killzone
Wrong he gave no cited facts, thank your for proving that you can't read.
acidburn134 2 weeks ago
I wonder who would win if it was the Challenger 2, versus the M1A2 Abrams, with experienced crews...
oxide345 4 weeks ago
@oxide345 look up Tank competition in Canada and you will findout who won the competition. They all have experienced crew Leo2 vs Challenger II vs Abrams. The winner starts with a letter "A". enough clue for ya!
quickzilver333 4 weeks ago
Love the way they make it seem like the US came up with ERA as new tech when it was the soviets who came up with it in 1949.
SiliconDrifter 1 month ago
@SiliconDrifter true but the soviet tank armore was obsolete by the time they made it up it isn't the same system. if you know so much about tank why are you still watching videos like this?
reedds77 1 month ago
@SiliconDrifter dont freak out man i've had enough of youtube beef this weekend
reedds77 1 month ago
Anyone else wanna take a bite of that flexible explosive? It looks tasty.
hotdogman67 1 month ago
thumbs up if you came here because of battlefield 3
simonmarshall1 1 month ago
@Talshet You worthless shit. I know you love the Russian Tanks but dude. The USA tanks are so much better.
Ninjadog659 2 months ago
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@Ninjadog659 How would you know that? What you believe and what is fact is two very different things. BTW reactive armour is a russian invention.
strek0655 1 month ago
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@Ninjadog659 How would you know that? What you believe and what is fact is two very different things. BTW reactive armour is a russian invention.
strek0655 1 month ago
@Ninjadog659 T90 on your ass
SatyriconMetalero 1 month ago
@Ninjadog659 German Leopard, S Korean JP, and Israeli Merkava shit on the Abrams...but tanks are kinda useless nowadays...
martydrooo 2 weeks ago
@martydrooo Merk is slow, S Korean tank is about 2x the cost and unreliable, Leopard is a cheap alternative but not very survivable if penetrated, also has less upgrade potential. Only the Merkava is close to the M1's survivability.
Tanks are typically useless in urban combat. The Abrams is an exception to that; the TUSK II Abrams has done surprisingly well in urban combat. This is why it's going to be in service even though the US was about to get rid of it.
redreaper2020 2 weeks ago
Americans are so show of this is the problem
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This video has 54 likes , I m sure they are Talibans thanking
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as this video Just teach them how to blow M1's by avoiding the reactive armours bits , shooting the tank on the rear
niceboy60 3 months ago
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T 80 to destroy any Abrams from a distance of 5000 meters=))
redneck10ivan 3 months ago 4
@redneck10ivan
Wrong Stupid! T-80 and T-90 are garbage like T-72, T-64, T-62, T-54/55, T-34, and rest of your legacy tanks. They are garbage, trash, useless, waste of money, and piece of junks. US, Germany, France, and British got the best tanks in the world. All your tanks have been embarrass and got trashed from Korean War to 2003 War in Iraq. Your tanks are ugly by the way ugly died while the cool lives like M1 Abrams, Leopard 2, Leclerc, and Challenger 2.
SilentEagles 2 months ago
@SilentEagles You need doctor, and do not write here different shit.
redneck10ivan 2 months ago
@SilentEagles fact «Patton Neger» for you stupid ass. Indo-Pakistani conflict of 1965. U.S. supplied tanks for Pakistan against India. September 10, 1965 near the village of Asal Uttar was the largest tank battle of the Indo-Pakistani war. Where was destroyed Thousands of Pakistani tanks "Made in USA". .. India has lost about one hundred Soviet T55. "Patton Neger" remember the name "graveyard" Patton. "Pakistani Army Tank"
redneck10ivan 2 months ago
@SilentEagles
T90 is one of the best MBT's, and the T90MS is probably the best MBT on the planet, stop spreading bullshit and get your head out of your ass.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134
HA! T-90 tank best in the world? What a Joke! Nice tried fool the best tank in the world is the German Leopard 2A7. T-90MS in nothing new is just copying US/NATO tank back square turret. T-90MS is just garbage. T-90MS is using French Thermal Sight and Israeli Environmental control system. The M1A2 SEP TUSK can take out T-90MS. The Abrams tank go news weapons like XM1111 Mid Range Munition to defeat Active protection system like ARENA.
SilentEagles 1 month ago
@SilentEagles
The T90MS is one of the most armored tanks in the world, maybe you should do a little research and see what they did with the T90MS, they imported electronical systems from other countries but pretty much everything else is their design. If you think I'm lieing you can contact a man by the name of Viktor Ivanovich Murakhovsky. Also the Russians and the Chinese both have 5th gen jets.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@SilentEagles
Also your M829 is still under production, so you really can't do anything with a weapon that hasn't been fielded, and the USA has it's F22 and F35 programs cancelled, they won't be making anymore. Learn about the J20 and T50. You should probably do a little more research on the T90MS, you look like a fool when you speak without correct facts.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@SilentEagles
Also your TUSK M1's are useless they were deemed inferior to the GCV plans the military has. Also your XM1111 system isn't even done being developed yet. Again you can't really use something in combat if it hasn't even been completed. You can simply use google and see that I'm correct.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134
The Abrams also got M829E4 Advanced Kinetic Energy which can destroyed your T-90MS new armour. USA and NATO are always one step ahead of Russia. US already built their own 5th Gen. Stealth fighter jets already. HA! Russia are failing behind just like China. Russia are too fat and stupid to catch up.
SilentEagles 1 month ago
What a shitstorm in comments.
2501anon 3 months ago 3
i found this intriguing while researching my tank build on BF3. best game ever.
Collectro 3 months ago
derp more jealous russians talking trash below a US based military video.
igrenade 3 months ago
@igrenade oh hey i didnt see you how you doing old enemy
devildogjosh1942 1 month ago
@devildogjosh1942 awwww i've pissed you off so much i'm on your hall of fame now? i'm gonna blush!
i like how you looked through the comments just to reply to my 2 months old post, really proves how angry you are.
cry more ;)
igrenade 1 month ago
@igrenade im not angry i just wondering how you are
devildogjosh1942 1 month ago
I've almost unlocked this to my tank in BF3!
zyronn 3 months ago
Sorry, but you folks are engaging on theoretics here. No battle experience to back these findings. This amounts to another penis measurement brag sheet warfare.
TheRadioman1976 4 months ago
It just takes one shot per panel, but lasting one or 2 shots longer is very helpful.
SpartanArmy647 4 months ago
US ERAs is only 1st generation. Russians ERA is 3rd generation and reduce damage ofKE ammunition.
Talshet 4 months ago
@Talshet ERA is worthless nowadays if the Tank is hit by a Bill2 anti-tank missile. The missile defeats ERA even the K5ERA. The good news is Bill2 anti-tank missile is made by NATO bad news for Russia. The M1Abrms is now equiped with the Rafael Trophy Defensive system. It is battle tested on Israeli Merkava4 against soft and hard kills.
quickzilver333 3 months ago
@quickzilver333 AT first Bill2 is produced by Sweden not NATO or USA, learn to built your own AT weapons. Only 250.000 Bills are produced around the world do you realy think you can beat tanks so easily? Only USA is stupid enough to sent BMTs into battlefield nowdays.Russians learned from Afghanistan War, BMTs are useless in asymetric warfare. The Trophy systeme is only on few systeme installed and its less effective than Arena its only usefull when when RPGs get fired from more 50m.
Talshet 3 months ago
@Talshet UK and USA are using tandem rounds just like the Bill2. The Bill2 is in the NATOs arsenal. The Trophy System is battle tested by the IDF Merkava4. It destroys hard and soft kills with only 1% chance of injuring surounding friendly toops. The Trophy System is also universal from light to heavy armored vehicles. Russia claimed to have a similar system in a tower configuration. Its a joke...LOL! once again they are way behind NATO.
quickzilver333 3 months ago
@quickzilver333 Do you served in military?
Talshet 3 months ago
@Talshet Yes sir!
quickzilver333 3 months ago
@quickzilver333 Than you know you talk shit you have never seen Trophy or it effectivness.The Arena is the best that is confirmed from all experts. NATO and USA lacks behind russia in Tank APS ERA in 2 Generations Russian APS and ERA 3rd Generation can stop/reduce SABOT rounds US ERA and APS cant.
Talshet 3 months ago
@Talshet The Trophy is already battle by IDF against Hezbollah fighters equiped with the latest Russian ati-tank RPGs and Missiles. The ERA is obsolete. It is a one hit wonder. The Tandem rounds has two charges one to defeat the ERA then the next to penetrate the armor. TANDEM rounds are different than SABOT. Nice try but the T-90 will get rape by the Leo2 and M1 Abrams.
quickzilver333 3 months ago
@quickzilver333 Kontakt 5,Relikt and Kaktus ERA is 3rd generation and is Tandem ERA it can hold Tandem HEAT and reduce or stop SABOTs.Leo2 has more penetration than the M1 abrams Sabots the Wolfram SABOTs of Leo2 has more weight and closeness.The M829A1-E3 have only small DU core with smaller closeness but higher weight the 10kg and 8,5kg propellant(1555m/s) and germanDM43 7,5kg projektil 11,2kg propellant(1740 m/s).42M-3B-44M sabots of T90 was designed to penetrate Leo2 better armor than M1.
Talshet 3 months ago
@Talshet K5ERA is worthless as a matter of fact ERA is worthless. It is a one hit wonder. Look at what happend to the Russian Tanks equipped with the K5ERA in Georgia vs Russian conflict. A bunch of them got destroyed during the initial phase of the conflict. These are NON- Export model Russian tanks also which they claim to have better armor than export models. T-90 is not even mass produce the main Russian Armor is T-72 and T-80. NATO has better defensive system for any hard or soft kill.
quickzilver333 3 months ago
@quickzilver333 HEy idiot you have something to learn bastard.Export weapons are downgraded you stupid dumbfuck.Georgian tanks and era is downgraded 1st generation not Kontakt 5 only kontankt1.Russian T72 was hit 6-7 time by RPG7 and had no scratches russian Kontakt 5 is tandem function it will stand against tandem HEAT shells and reduce sabot rounds.Russian are fucking 2 generations above every other country.Russia shits on your puppet isreal bitches who only copying russian technology like you
Talshet 3 months ago
@quickzilver333 The Arena is still the most effective APS systeme, its fast reaction systeme not like the inferior Iron Fist or Trophy systeme or german AMAP wich only are effective when RPGs fired from over 50 meters and mach1-3 will only get reacted abover 500 meter. Arena reacts RPG shells under 50 very good and can react against mach1-3 shells under 200 meter. There is no better concept Trophy reacts only in 47% Arena reacts in over 75%.Its combat proven but trophy not only in simulations.
Talshet 3 months ago
@Talshet LOL! The Arena System is another bullshit claim from the Russian crappy technology. This is the same claim they made about the K3ERA and the K5ERA on their tanks during the conflict with Georgia. The Trophy and the Fist can be also retro fitted to fire anti-personel rounds. It already defeated the anit-tank missiles nad RPGs fired by Hezbollah on a Merkava4. It is battle tested and proven. Unlike the Russian bullshit Arena System. The T-90 will get Gang Rape by the Leo2 and Abrams..LOL!
quickzilver333 3 months ago
@quickzilver333 leo2 alone would out gun 10 of the best tanks russia has to offer
renster143 2 months ago
@renster143 M1A3Abrams is coming out soon. Russian T-90 and T-95 junks will be a good target practice for Leo2A7 and M1A3Abrams...LOL!
quickzilver333 2 months ago
@quickzilver333 its not going to be an a3 just an a2 sep v3 just minor upgrades like a belly plate camera and a air conditioning system for the crew
renster143 2 months ago
@renster143 Seriously you need to checkout the specs of M1A3Abrams, This is an M1Abrams on steroids. The M1A3Abrams will be out with in 10yrs.
quickzilver333 2 months ago
@quickzilver333 no i no im a tank mechanic, they just started puting v3 upgrades on the tanks now, the a3 is not even production, the a3 is going to be a huge overhaul and the army cant afford it right now so they are settling for a few upgrades here and then rather then spend billions on a total redesign
renster143 2 months ago
@renster143 You are right M1A3Abrams is not in production yet but it will be within 10yrs. If you look at the specs of the M1A3Abrams. This tank is a beast.
quickzilver333 2 months ago
@quickzilver333
Right. The Arena system is one of the most effective APS systems to be put out. Also Hezbollah pretty much kicked Israels ass, why would you even bring that up lol? They lost a nice amount of tanks there. Those Merkavas are good ovens.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 LOL! The Russian Arena junk system. The Abrams doesn't even need the Iron fist or ERA. The Abrams armor has never been penetrated all the way through the crew compartment. Not a single crew of the Abrams has ever died due to enemy attacks with RPGs and ATGMs. Compare that to the Russian made "NON_EXPORT" NOT A MONKEY MODEL T-80s and T-72s during the Chechen war....LOL! The Chechen rebels are slicing them through like butter. Nice and crispy Russian Crew inside.
quickzilver333 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
The T80's and T72's are older tanks and that's a really stupid comparison because the American tank has reactive armor. You should probably look up the details before making a fair comparison. I believe 80 tanks have been damaged pretty badly in Iraq, and crews have been killed by IED's and Snipers. Enjoy your delusions.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 LOL! did you even bother to research of how much casualities has been inflicted by the Chechen rebels against the mighty Russian made T-72 and T-80?The M1A1 Abrams Armor during the 1st Gulfwar has never been penetrated by RPGs and ATGMs all the way through the crew compartment until now. IEDs and Snipers doesn't count.The Rusian T-80s and T-72s during the Chechen war in 96 is an upgraded version better armor better systems. Yet they were all slice like butter by the Chechen rebels.
quickzilver333 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
The Gulf war was barely over a month long and it wasn't a type of conflict where the USA had to invade someone's homeland and held territory there. They did that in the Iraq war and that's the reason they lost tanks. You can do the research yourself on the Chechen war because it seems you are a bit misinformed. During the first war a lot of T72 had empty bricks which means their armor was pretty much ineffective.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
Compare the tank losses of the first and second Chechen war, during the 2nd war the Russian properly filled the reactive bricks and there are account of tanks being hit multiple times by RPGs and ATGMs and still fighting on. During the first war there was a lot of issues with deploying their tanks, it wasn't the fault of the tanks, it was the Russian military command structure and their organization. Also the Chechens had tanks as well.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 LOL! The T72s and T80s with K3/K5ERA were also getting sliced open by Chechen Rebels. They would attack the ERA with multiple RPGs until the section is expose. ERA is obsolete a one hit wonder. The Chechen didn't have alot of tanks and the ones they have were Soviet made not Russian. The Chechen tank hunter killer team equiped with RPGs and anti-tank missiles are slicing open the might T-80s and T72s...LOL! Do your research again!...LOL!
quickzilver333 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
Okay give me a source with how many tanks the Chechens destroyed in the second war. Post the source and amount of tanks killed here, it has to be a legit source though.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
Also the T90 is much better equiped than the T72/T80, it has better armor, a better gun, and better technology. The T90MS is one of the most heavily protected tanks on the planet, as of today I don't think there are any MANPADS that could defeat it's armor in a single hit. I'm not bashing the M1 Abrams, but it definitely isn't the best tank on the planet.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 The T-90 is not even battle tested. It's another claim from the Russians that they are superior just like what they said about the NON-EXPORT T-72s and T-80s. The Abrams is not the best tank in the world but it is battle tested and so far NO CREW WAS EVER LOST DUE TO ENEMY ATTACK WITH RPGs and ATGMS. The M1A3ABRAMS is coming out soon and far superior than any Russian tanks.
quickzilver333 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
I don't think you really understand why the Russian tanks failed. Had they been Abrams tanks they would have suffered the same, maybe you should take a look and see how prepared Russian tankers were in the first Chechen war, they learned however and that's why you won't be able to find a substantial account of tank losses in the second war.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 It's simple Russian T-80s and T-72s are inferior. You were saying that if it was the Abrams during the Chechen war it would have the same result. "WRONG" The Abrams has taken multiple hits by RPGs, ATGMs and Shot at by Iraqi tanks. The Abrams were dissabled but "NO PENETRATION ALL THE WAY INSIDE THE CREW". The Abrams crew survived while the Russians in there mighty T-80s and T-72s are nice and crispy...LOL!
quickzilver333 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
Of course the T-80s and T-72s are inferior to Abrams, the Abrams is better in just about every way because most Abrams are pretty up to date. The Abrams has reactive armor that works, the Russians didn't have that when they went in to Chechnya. Also where is the stats for tank losses can you find me those? Or are you just going to keep arguing in a circle, bring some real facts to the table. Again, learn about the wars in Chechnya, you seem clueless about them.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 Your a dumbass! The Abrams that was used in Iraq and Afghanistan don't use ERA on the turret. The T-72s and T-80s during the Chechen war has K3/K5ERA all over the damn tank. It looks like a lego...lol! The ERA is obsolete it is a one hit wonder. The Chechen hunter killer team are firring multiple RPGs until a section of the T-80s and T-72s are expose with no ERA. Do the research on your own instead of yaping your mouth. Take your time and when you find it slap yourself!...LOL!
quickzilver333 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
If you had listened you would have known that most of the those reactive armor plates had no explosive charges in them, so learn about reactive armor and them main component in needs to be effect. Even an Abrams would go down in this situation. Where is that tank loss report? You still haven't found one. You are arguing yourself in a circle and your facts are incorrect, you can google it, I know you won't you don't seem that intelligent.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 You are an Idiot! The T-72s and T-80s during the Chechen war is Russias best tanks. They use ERA later in the war to minimize damage but the Chechen hunter killer teams are shooting them with multiple RPGs in the same area. Therefore the ERA is rendered useless because it can only be use once. Compare that to the Abrams in 91 that has taken multiple hits. If you know how to count how many T-72s/T-80s crew have been roasted by Chechen rebels?...LOL
quickzilver333 1 month ago
@quickzilver333
They were unprepared, it doesn't matter how many tanks you have, if they are ill equipped there is going to be issues. You see they used ERA in the second war that's why you still haven't found me that data have you? Also they would have to hit the exact same spot multiple times for ERA to be ineffective. So again find me a document that states how many tanks Russians lost. I don't really think you can lol, there goes your whole fail argument.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 LOL! You are asking me for a data and you write commenst on you tube. It's just shows how much effort you put in looking for information. The Chechen hunter killer team are ambushing the T-80s/T-72s in a narrow roads and streets. Therefore they were able to affectively attack the same spot with multiple RPGs. This is the same tactics that the Iraqi inssurgents use against the Abrams. The Abrams did well protecting it's crew. While the Russians are nice and crispy inside T-80s/T-72s!
quickzilver333 4 weeks ago
@quickzilver333
Lol I'm asking you for data to back up your point. See you can't find the data so your argument holds no value. You are saying they lost so many tanks but yet you can't even provide a source? Lol.
acidburn134 4 weeks ago
@acidburn134 I will give you a clue since your too stupid to research. Look up T72s/T-80s in Checehen War. It's ok you can deny it once you findout how many Russian T-72s and T-80s have been destroyed...LOL!
quickzilver333 4 weeks ago
@quickzilver333
I'm asking you to prove your point, I guess it seems you can't. Your whole argument is invalid lol.
acidburn134 3 weeks ago
@acidburn134 WTF! How is that invalid were infact there are facts infront of you and you still deny it. How many Russian T-72s/T-80s got destroyed in Chechen war? LOL! Let me give you another clue research War in Grozny.....You are just making excuses and in denial...LOL!
Chechnya is a small soviet state and even the Russian mighty T-72s/T-80s are getting demolished...LOL!
quickzilver333 3 weeks ago
@quickzilver333
If you're trying to make an argument at least bring some proper facts to the table and back up your statements. I haven't made a single excuse, you just can't back up your statements with facts, keep trying kid lol
acidburn134 3 weeks ago
@acidburn134 Why would I provide "FACTS" that you already knew? I just gave you a clue but since you already know the result. You just keep on denying it because it's true...hahaha! Let me give you another clue look on the map and see how big is Checnya compared to Russia and yet the Russian got their might T72s/T80s slice open....LOL! Russian Armor losses was 200+ in just a few months during the Chechen war...LOL! just keep on denying it!...LOL!
quickzilver333 3 weeks ago
@quickzilver333
I'm asking you to back up your point, cite your points. The Russians entered the first chechen war with only 230 tanks, and the chechens at the time had 50. The Chechens used Guerilla warfare, similar to what the Taliban are using against the USA in Afghanistan, if you know anything of warfare you will know that guerilla tactics are very effective. I've said it from the beginning, the Russians were barely ready, they didnt even have their ERA filled. You fail.
acidburn134 2 weeks ago
@acidburn134 Your and idiot you just answered your own question. Even with the ERA the T-72s/T-80s are still getting slice open due to the fact that the Chechen hunter killer teams are attacking the same spot multiple times. The ERA is only a one hit wonder. It is obsolete in todays warfare. The taliban and the Iraqi insurgents are doing the same tactic like the Chechens against the Abrams but they only manage to dissable the tank and the crew survived....Your a dumdass!! Just keep denying it!
quickzilver333 2 weeks ago
@quickzilver333
They had no ERA in the first war. You have yet to provide any source for your false facts. Also you would have to hit the exact same spot over and over again, without guided munitions that is really difficult, almost impossible at range. You have a lot to learn, you are still too stupid to google anything and you are making an absolute fool of yourself lol. So where is that kill count? Don't have it yet? Oh yeah that's right, your argument is invalid. Stupid kids
acidburn134 1 week ago
@acidburn134 LOL! Like I said before why would I provide facts that you already know and foundout. You already know that ERA wasn't use in the first war but you seem to skip the information were ERA was only a one hit wonder against multiple attacks. The Abrams took multilple attacks from RPGs and ATGMs without ERA and still the crew survived. Now what does that tell you? The Abrams Armor is better....LOL! you are and idiot...LOL!
quickzilver333 1 week ago
@quickzilver333
No you see your facts are wrong you can't provide me with a single kill count to back up your claims of Chechens tearing through Russian tanks. Abrams has ERA and that is what protects it from all of those hits, are you really this stupid? You have got to be trolling, there is no one on the planet with such logical fallacies.
acidburn134 1 week ago
@acidburn134 You are an idiot like I told you several times the Abrams are only using ERA of the side of the tanks and NONE were use on the turret. Compare that to the T-72s, T-80s and T-90s which is filled with ERA from top to bottom. You are in denial and you know it. You just said a few comments ago the Chenchens were tearing up the Russian tanks during the first war. Now you are saying I can't back up my claims...LOL!! You are just wigling your way out of bullshit...LOL!
quickzilver333 1 week ago
@quickzilver333
I never stated Abrams had ERA on the turret, so that point you tried to make is invalid. You fail to do proper research, the Russians had the ERA there but it wasn't filled with explosive charge. Also I never stated that, your reading comprehension is fail, yet again, quote me directly on what I said, you'll see I'm not lieing. I keep asking you to provide sources for your facts, which you have yet to do, again proving your argument invalid. Nice try kid.
acidburn134 1 week ago
@acidburn134 Why would I provide information you already know? It is already proven that the Armor of T72s and T-80s is inferrior. ERA or not it should be able to protect the crew like the Abrams. You are just denying all the facts that you even provided. Did the T-72/T-80 Armor during the Chechen war got penetrated all the way through "YES". Did the Abrams Armor got penetrated all the way through "NO". Did the Russian crew survived"NO" did the American crew survived "YES"..Its that simple.LOL!
quickzilver333 1 week ago
@quickzilver333
You can't back up your points you are trying to make, arguing in a circle. I'm not denying a single thing you can go back and read every post I've made while you argue yourself in a circle. You still haven't provided any sources to your "chechen hunter killer teams". Show me the tank losses and back up your point. It's so simple, you're wrong, but too stupid to notice it, you can't even form a readable sentence. Get out of highschool first, then try to argue LOL!
acidburn134 1 week ago
@quickzilver333
Also the Abrams has been penetrated by enemy combatants. Again another fail on your parts. If you would simply utilize the internet to do some reading you can go ahead and figure that out yourself. I'll give you a clue since you might not be able to piece that last sentence together, google History of M1 Abrams, enjoy reading, if you can read that is. You might need someone to read it for you LOL!
acidburn134 1 week ago
@quickzilver333
Are mentally retarded because if you do some damn reading you can see that abrams tanks have been penetrated there are a lot of documented cases of this shit happening
theanonimousefag 1 week ago
@theanonimousefag Really! Maybe you should do some reading also. All tanks can be penetrated but what I said was "PENETRATED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CREW COMPARTMENTS." The key word is ALL THE WAY THROUGH...You are a dumdass. How many tank crews did the Russians lost in the T-72/T-80 during the Chechen war? Compare that to how many tank crew the Americans lost in Iraq.....LOL! Do some research dumbass! Russian-Chechen War Documentary 2/2 on you tube. Now Slap yourself for being stupid...LOL!
quickzilver333 1 week ago
14000th view!
safetybearry 4 months ago
Era is Rusia. Kontakt-5 is a type of third-generation explosive reactive armour originating in the Soviet Union. It is the first type of ERA which is effectively able to defeat modern armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds.
basenjiguitar 5 months ago
@basenjiguitar
Please complete the story. Here is part 2: "Newer KE penetrators like the US M829A2 and now M829A3, have been improved to defeat the armor design of Kontakt-5. The M829A2 was the immediate response, developed in part to take on the new armor bricks. The M829A3 is a further improvement of this as well and designed to fight future armor protection methods."
TheRadioman1976 5 months ago
@TheRadioman1976 only add more era ¡¡¡ 2, 3, and ready jaja
basenjiguitar 5 months ago
@TheRadioman1976 Yes, this is so.But apart from outdated security Contact-5 is a new kind of protection, this armor "Knife" and active protection system "Zaslon".And with the installation of these systems even the obsolete T-72 and T-64 with additional armor armor modules are becoming neporazhamy in the frontal projection or M829A3 and its closest analogue DM-63 when firing from a gun with a barrel of L-55.
sla165 4 months ago
its pretty cool idea but apparently if you shoot the same spot it dont work
Henbot 5 months ago
@thiagolck Kontakt-5 is obsolete now. Unsuprisingly, as it's 80's tech, and in fact M829A2 was developed to defeat it. To counter it Russians developed Kaktus and Relikt ERA, but never installed them on production grade vehicles, probably due to costs. In the meantime Americans developed M829A3, Germans DM-53, British L-28 etc.
@ThePerfectRed
ERA won't explode without enough physical force to ignite explosives inside, so MGs can't. As for autocannons it all depends on armors design.
kireta21 6 months ago
@kireta21
You seem pretty knowledgeable on these things, I've always wondered, Would a sympathetic detonation occur in ERA if say a HESH round was fired at the tank employing ERA? or what about a cluster submunition with many small EFPs detonating a large amount of ERA tiles/bricks? How many ERA bricks would need to detonate to disable the tank?
marmaladekamikaze 5 months ago
@marmaladekamikaze ERA won't disable protected vehicle (may effectively disable nearby infantry though...) because base armor is always taken into account durring developement. Cluster ammo "clearing" ERA from tank sounds neat, but tandem HEAT can pierce single-layered ERA and hit armor behind it. Modern KE long-rod penetrators are also quite effective against ERA, DM-53 fired form Leo2A6 has like 50% chance to penetrate frontal armor of T-90 or Type-99 tanks with first hit.
kireta21 5 months ago
@kireta21
It may not penetrate but would clearing all,or most, of the ERA from a tank near simultaneously not cause catastrophic spalling of the armor within the crew compartment?
marmaladekamikaze 5 months ago
@marmaladekamikaze
No, these explosives are not that strong. Base armor still provides more than half of vehicle protection. Simultaneous explosion may cause "shock wave" through vehicle hull and possibly damage electric, hydraulics, shellshock effect on crew inside (tank when hit is like inside of ringing bell), same as beign hit by any warhead that didn't penetrate. But hull itself won't be damaged, it's not HESH round.
kireta21 5 months ago
@kireta21 I know it is not a HESH round, but the effects of a simultaneous detonation of many ERA tiles would produce the same effects as a HESH round, perhaps producing effects even more devastating than a single HESH round, as there would be ~50 kilograms detonating. The explosives used in ERA are probably polymer bonded explosives, most likely based on the very stable TATB / Triaminotrinitrobenzene.
marmaladekamikaze 5 months ago
Yeah, but americans are now developing new types of penetrators that can defeat Kontakt-5... but of course, it's not like the russians are just spinning on Kontakt-5 and laughing. But in the end, ERA is just a "single-shot shield": APSs are even crazier, more active, and "better" (in a certain sense). It's also dangerous to crews around, like APSs. It's main advantage is simplicity and consequently effectiveness, and I imagine it to continue to be standard "real war" kit.
thiagolck 6 months ago
Can reactive armour be triggered with machinegun or 20mm autocannon fire?
ThePerfectRed 6 months ago
I believe this is useless when enemy tank is firing at them. 120mm gun, 125mm gun there no way your armor can survive with those rounds.
M4A108 7 months ago
@M4A108 Read on Wikipedia about Russian Kontakt-5 armor. The USA tested it and found their 120mm M829 APFSDS to be ineffective. Hard to believe, but true.
ThePerfectRed 6 months ago
@ThePerfectRed Oh okey good for us =)
M4A108 6 months ago
soo now that we can deflect RPG's what about incoming tank fire?
techno4life1945 7 months ago
funnily the depleted uranium dart fired by the M1A1 Abrams tank can easily get through its own armor, as evidenced by friendly fire in the Desert Shield and Storm conflicts.
Direwolf13PS3 7 months ago
good tank however no tank is protected enough against atgm
luisaviation 7 months ago
good job boys
umblah122 8 months ago
This is vietnam technology. Look up electromagnetic tank armor
NASTEfilms 9 months ago
As far as Y know russians first came to that kind of idea and starting producing this ,Y mean the concept of ERA :-))) sorry if Y am wrong . ..
Nikola89Chupke 10 months ago
@Nikola89Chupke yes they even had it in 1991....
they designedthe RGP 7, a good thing they designed the protection against it lol....
BeenuZz 9 months ago
Russians ivented this . . . .
Nikola89Chupke 10 months ago
@Nikola89Chupke israeli invented this
bommobiel 10 months ago
@bommobiel LoL LoL LoL israeli?
Luka464 10 months ago
@bommobiel
no
Yosemited 9 months ago
@Yosemited The idea was posted by the russian, but Isreali first used it (in the Arab-Israeli conflict)
bommobiel 9 months ago
its pretty amazing armor, the results surprised me to tell you the truth but if one reactive armor box ignited couldnt it ignite another one right next to it and thus creating a domino effect?
Flawdaxpride305 11 months ago
@Flawdaxpride305 Lol I dont think so, weapon experts have things called ´brains´ you know.
bommobiel 9 months ago
Rofl if someone put nuclear explosives in the little pack things
CptAwesome096 11 months ago
@CptAwesome096 To trigger a nuclear explosive it must be a controlled reaction otherwise it will just fissile. A critical mass can be reached inside one of the packs, but must be contained and controlled to split or fuse atoms in mass. In other words it would have to have an internal trigger, not external.
aardvark9100 10 months ago
i have a idea to make this for helicopters so when they crash the energy is disapated so the helicopter "bounces"
mrzeke1298 11 months ago
No armor can remain unpenetrated because there will always be someone willing to build and sell a rocket that costs 2-3-4 million$ (and thats is super exaggerated price btw) to kill a tank that costs 7million$.
It's just logic!
7Niwde7 1 year ago
@7Niwde7 Or just use an A-1.
suicidewafflez 1 year ago
And who did created those? Russians (+Ukrainians)!
Russians had these on their T-72 and T-80s years before the USA, same as Arena system (system that counterfire projectile to hit incoming missile appreaching up to 700m/s, 2100 f/s) or passive protection system that can jamm missiles guidance (IR, laser, optical). US army is now developing their own arena system, but they are criticized as that system type is available from Israel for 5 years and it could save lifes in Iraq, Afghanistan.
thomaspruzina 1 year ago
The flyer plate has practically no effect on the jet, which has all gone through the hole it made in the plate and is on the other side before the plate has moved an inch. Put simply, what happens is the explosive sends a shock wave through the jet, causing it to spread out and hit the armor over a much larger area. The flyer plate, (the thick kind in this video, as early ERA had 5mm thick ones) is meant to mangle the front of long rod penetrators.
BenHBX 1 year ago
Here in Brazil, the NEWEST armoured vehicle is now 37 years old. Our only aircraft carrier is on harbor, since five years ago. And Brazilian president Lula is 100% supporter of Iran and Hugo Chavez.
daltonagre 1 year ago
The T-80 is just a T-72 with the armor
showaltermicro 1 year ago
@showaltermicro I think a Turbine engine is required too for the T-80 designation.
lst1195 1 year ago
@lst 1195 Exports still have 750 hp diesel, so is it still a T-80 or a up armored T-72.
showaltermicro 1 year ago
@showaltermicro Oh.
lst1195 1 year ago
@showaltermicro no it's not. the T-80 has a turbine engine, and was derived from the T-64. it's bigger, wider, and roomier. i think you are thinking of the T-90, which is a heavily upgraded T-72 (with shtora, ERA, and better fire control)
garythegit 1 year ago
Cool but we didn't invent it at all. The isrealis did. Then in 1982 in Lebanon The Russians litterally stole a M-60A1 that was covered in the stuff. (or so the story goes) Then within like a year Soviet tanks in the Fulda gap in EastGermany started showing up covered in it. We're just catching up now. Still a good Video though.
lst1195 1 year ago
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garythegit 1 year ago
@lst1195 haha yep. this is pretty old tech. the latest russian RPGs are specifically designed to defeat ERA. they have two projectiles, one small one which flies faster than the main round. it will hit the ERA, create a gap which the main round can penetrate. also the chinese have been plastering their older tanks with the stuff. pretty cheap way of upgrading your tanks.
garythegit 1 year ago
@garythegit yeah this clip is trying to make it sound like "Wow! look what we invented!" & I was like "Huh?" Yeah I've seen clips on here where a Kornet Missle punched right thru the stuff on a Merkava. Are the rounds for a RPG-7 updated now as you're discribing? or is the 7 pretty much done with.
lst1195 1 year ago
@lst1195 the PG29V is a new round for the latest russian made RPGs. it's a tandem warhead and actually penetrated a Challenger 2 in 2007! the round is mostly fired from the RPG29 but the latest models of the RPG7(v2) can also fire it. it's doubtful if the insurgents have any of these latest pieces of kit in any quantity. otherwise we are in big trouble...
garythegit 1 year ago
@garythegit
Russian tank rounds for T-90 tank have a triple-HEAT warhead, developed by Moscow mechanical institute, that can penetrate 2000 mm of steel behind ERA.
DiscoverRussia 1 year ago
@DiscoverRussia that's interesting. i always thought people put in more development into sabot rod penetrators... do you have a name for the round so I can look it up?
btw in the military stuff like '2000mm' of steel isn't used as a scientific quantification. more like equivalence. even then there are many factors involved. the best way to test it is still to hit a tank with one of the rounds... basically you can't just say 'x' can defeat 'y' up to 'z' mms.
garythegit 1 year ago