The American Dietetic, Diabetic, and Heart Associations support veg(etari)an diets as having the capacity to be healthy, balanced, and fit for all stages of life. The United Nations is even urging for a global shift towards a vegan diet in order to relieve world hunger, poverty, utilize resources more efficiently, etc.
And in the end, there is nothing wrong with not wanting humans AND animals to suffer or be killed needlessly.
Yes, TJ, clearly people promoting such diets are very fail indeed.
So what's the lesson? Biological drive for procreation is more important than suffering? Nyeeeh...? Not a very good lesson, is it?
Nope, it's not. If the act of producing offspring excused suffering, rape should be morally acceptable and legal. But since this is not the case, it's better for livestock to fade into obscurity or even go extinct rather than continue their existence in constant suffering.
Wow, that's a great argument! Let's see what other species support it...O, hey, the Passenger Pigeon! In 19th century these poor bastards had been dragging a wretched existence of a pitiful 5 billion large flock. And then the blessing befell them that you talked about: the pigeon meat became commercialised! And in just a hundred years, the species proliferated to a proud and awesome number of ONE, who died happily, knowing that the future of his kind is secured.
A fat idiot talking about vegetarianism failing LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOL fatty put down the cow you are eating. For ONCE in all of your reactionary video's use logic.
YOU are an atheist?? Fuck me, that makes me feel really ashamed. You're an enraged, Neanderthal. There is nothing rational or logical about you. Yet you call yourself an atheist. ROFL
if you actually get angry over anyone elses diet choices, you probably need to re-evaluate your life. Some people choose not to eat meat - it's really not a big deal.
I eat meat. But only organic or free-range and never baby animals. I only eat meat when I need to, not when I want to. I realize that meat is naturally a part of our diet, humans are meant to eat meat. But that doesn't mean animals have to suffer before being killed. They should live long lives in large fields and be put down humanly. That is one reason I will never ever eat KFC. If we didn't eat cows, chickens and sheep they are still bred for milk, eggs and wool so they wouldn't go extinct.
The reason why apex predators are less numerous is because there is nothing preying on them. population growth is an evolutionary retaliation to multiple predators in order to keep the species going
Maybe the only video I don't like of TJ's. I'm not stupid, I know all of this. I'm a vegetarian because animals are killed cruelly. I am however aware that humans eating animals is what is needed to be balanced, no over population.
I like you T.J--you're an extremely intelligent man---but have you ever seen how your food was slaughtered? If not then you should...your view would change dramatically (assuming you truly are smart)...and comparing Jelly Beans to living creatures, seriously??
I eat vegetables because they're better for me than bacon. I don;t really agree with how animals are treated, but I don't eat them for a different reason.
Why do you think that there are no vegetarians in the poor countries in for example Africa?
Because they eat whatever they find to survive.
Vegetarians only exist in places where we have a choice in what we eat.
Tho I believe of course that we can improve how we breed, treat and kill the animals we eat but not eating is just stupid. We should be happy that we have the choice to eat meat or not.
@lawless8888 Having a choice is essential and highly relevant, ethically speaking. If the only way for me to survive was to kill other humans then I might be ethically justified to do so. Having an option changes the scenario dramatically. Continuing to kill humans for no reason other than, say, my personal enjoyment becomes morally unjustifiable.
The same is true when our victims are other animals. If we can live without exploiting and killing them, we can't justify continuing to do so.
@MrMadjackmacmad Well humans are actually animals, and if you want to solve the hunger problem, Did you know that the actual agricultural production will be enough to feed every human in earth? But a great part of that production goes to feed animals to produce meet, and instead of feeding starving people they feed animals to produce meet for the "rich" ones. Even so i dont see why humans are more important than the "fucking animals"
Not only have cows "succeeded" because of humans, they exist only because we made them. ;) The original "cow" is nothing like what we have today. They owe their entire existence to us.
BACON! Omnomonoomonm ... lurv me bacon and beef.
The lumber industry is responsible for most of the new forest growth in the last 20 years as well. It's amazing how many things we have helped proliferate simply because ... we like something they offer.
Okay, I don't have a problem if someone wants to eat neat, but if you do so you might as well eat it healthily. Do you realized what crap you are putting in your body? The baconator? Really -.-
I have to claim that it's not the slaughtering of animals that gets to me. It's the treatment they receive before being slaughtered is what urks me. I love meat. But I also love animals too. I'm not saying the abuse and torment of animals come with each and ever slaughter. But there are some facilities out there that have questionable methods of treating livestock. To say they are just going to die anyways still doesn't give the right. It's the same for us. We wouldn't want that for ourselves.
I don't eat meat because it tastes good. Infact, meat doesn't really taste like anything. It's all the salt and other spices and sauces that is used that brings the taste. I eat meat because it has protein, I like its composition and it fills me up.
I'm a vegetarian because I'm totally disgusted by the total disregard these giant slaughterhouses have for safety, cleanliness and ethical standards. Humans are obviously meant to consume meat, and we've evolved with that in mind, so I'm not going to say we shouldn't be eating it, I'm just saying we should be better informed of which companies are being negligent. I also would not push my agenda upon other people. The information is out there, and people can make their own decisions.
If there a vegetarians here, I have a "moral dilemma" for you, that is if you like the taste of meat but don't eat it out of pure principle. Imagine you're in a restaurant with a carnivorous friend. You took a salad, he took a steak. You finished your meal and are still hungry. He didn't finish his steak and the restaurant will simply throw it away. Would you finish his steak because anyway it would be wasted, or would you order another salad and cause even more waste?
@xeryph Obviously, you need to play the game and you can't bypass my conditions. He can't take it home, the restaurant will throw it away and you only have the two choices that I set up.
@Wotanraven , Ok. I'm a vegan. First of all, I wouldn't order a salad at a restaurant. What am I? A rabbit? But anyways. This dilemma you've proposed has happened to me before. And you know what I do? Nothing. Most of the time, my friend will save his food for later. Restaurants don't just throw your food away. Under no non-life-threatening circumstances would I munch on an animal to please a friend. Even if the food gets wasted. I'd be violating my principles for no good reason.
Not trying to use the appeal to authority here, but what are the chances that the most influential intellectuals of our age like Richard Dawkins, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Sam Harris, Noam Chomsky, and Peter Singer all condemn our brutal treatment of farm animals, yet, this random fat guy on YouTube thinks that he can come up with a purely rational justification for factory-farming?
The only reason they're numbers would go down drastically is because we destroyed their environment. Also, bringing lions and gorilla's up doesn't really work because they're habitats are so limited. Even two hundred years ago I'm pretty sure you wouldn't see any lions roaming L.A, but I could be wrong there. Wolves, I'm surprised they're so limited. But let's look at some animals we don't really eat with high numbers: Squirrels(25 billion, roughly) cats(220 million) Horses(over 50 million)
Well ,I'm a vegetarian and I can see you do make pretty good points on biology and such but I'm sticking to my soya and what not. Just on the fact that I don't think I could kill something even if I needed to. Also I can currently get all my nutrients I need from dairy, eggs and vegetables... But I'm open minded enough to listen to you AmazingAtheist. On the topic of extinction of farm animals , they have no purpose of life outside of being eaten . It's natural selection to let some animals die.
@DeathBringer769 Moot point. Humans don't rely on natural selection to further the species. Natural selection is pretty much irrelevant to us. Whether or not a vegetarian can survive in the wild is debatable (there have been cases in history where herbivores outlast carnivores due to disease and shortage of food), but it's not a relevant debate anyway.
@mrevilevil2 in all honesty, if you take a modern human and put them in the wild, they would eat an almost exclusively vegetarian diet, at least at first. most of us don't know how to hunt, so foraging is much easier straight out of the gate. but being a meat eater gives you the option of eating whatever presents itself. a vegetarian in the mountains surrounded by goats and dry scraggly grass could starve to death on principle.. therefore vegetarianism=stoopid
@DeathBringer769 That's true. I don't really think I have it in me. I know it's stupid and all that but I mianly have a problem with their living conditions.
But yes I would die. I don't really have too much a problem with that to some extent...
@childofreletivity yes it is natural selection. and the way some(re:almost all) animals die in nature is by being eaten by other animals that are natural predators of said animals...(see man v. cow)
Animals rights doesn't necessarily mean vegetarian or vegan, just because we use them as a food source doesn't mean they need to suffer, look at Temple Grandin. :)
@BlackenShade true, but the entire idea of "rights" is of human conception, nothing believes in, has knowledge of or can legitimately claim rights BUT humans. and even we dont have them. they only exist because most of us agree that they should. that being said, domesticated livestock only exist to feed us. we created them and they're our property and responsibility and it is for THAT reason that we should treat them with care. not because of "rights" that they dont have and dont really exist.
@WashICH1 Your critique is aimed at 'natural rights' not at 'legal rights'. The latter are very real, of high importance, and ever changing and expanding. Black humans didn't have them not too long ago. Today even corporations have them. Mentally disabled humans, with no capacity to grasp the idea of 'rights', have them.
There's no reason why other animals should be, on principle, denied the possibility to have rights. Rights are just a way to protect interests and animals have interests.
@BlackenShade Any notion of 'animal rights' must entail, at the very least, the most fundamental ones such as the right to life, liberty and not to be regarded as property.
This is why animal rights must entail a respect for their life, at the very least. Killing them unnecessarily, just so we can have a fleeting and replaceable pleasure, obviously violates any notion of animal rights or even the most basic respect to someone.
@meloveanna Eh, that's not entirely accurate. Not only are they upset with their living conditions, but a lot of them simply don't want animals killed at all.
@meloveanna it is a valid point but the living conditions of most humans are not better than the living conditions of domesticated animals. i think we should care for the humans first and for the animals later on.
We talk about what is and isn't natural like we're some kind of God. When in fact we ourselves are animals. So anything that happens is natural. The impossible is the only thing unnatural.
@masterlinkmatt It's not the case that everything is organic. When you order a burger at the drive-thru, you're getting beef that has been raised on a diet of soy, feces, and other cows. Now, you can call that "natural," but it's not like that meat was developed organically without the interference of modern industry. What's remarkably stupid about this video is that nowhere does a-atheist acknowledge that many people are vegetarians due to health rather than ethical reasons.
Everything you discuss revolves around personal choice, and how an opinion that doesn't side with you is wrong.
I'm a vegetarian, and I'm not offended by your opinion (which I agree with.) and anti-social behaviour, I actually laughed. If you really want a topic to discuss, talk about how anti-social behaviour can hurt people, for that'd be a better idea for anything you'd come up with.
It's difficult to comprehend how you acquire views for enforcing a hiveminded opinion held by a large commu-
Gee, more complicated? Vegetarians have a significantly lower chance of having heart disease, cardiovascular disease, obesity, diabetes, and cancer. As long as I'M not eating meat I'm happy, because all it really is is glorified dead animal flesh.
@lilyallen194 ha. Actually that is SO not true. They did a comparative study and animal fats do not contribute to heart disease...how ever vegetable oils DO because our body does not readily process cholesterol created by vegetable oils. It is also a known fact the people with a low animal fat intake are also more prone to depression. I would be glad to provide sources.
@lordpoee Vegetable oils are generally used while cooking meat. Unless you're implying that you drink it straight, or put it on veggies (which you would, in circumstance, when it comes to potatoes and such).
And animal products generally have cholesterol in them, as you'd no doubt know.
As for depression - I'm too depressed to care. :P
Black people wouldn't be in America if it weren't for slavery, therefore slavery good! Why is it that besides the easy anti-religion arguments, you can't make a single good argument? Can you seriously study up on some philosophy and argumentative construction?
no vegetarian i've talked to cares about the population of a species. they care about the food they eat. but good job on being offensive. and nice book plug at the end.
Dude you think it would honestly drive them to extinction there is still milk ,eggs and other "animal products" that can keep livestock on farms so look up these things before you start ranting
Hey, look at the tempermental fatass telling other people how to eat. Look, don't tell me how to eat and I won't tell you how not to be a disgusting slob.
Veggies out there. Gimme some quick recipes, I've been doing this about a week and all I got is noodles, rice, omelets and quiches. Occasional veg curry but I have to pay at the Chinese res. and they too lexprensirve.
lions gorillas and wolves lose their habitat and food because of us, idiot. there are 8 billion chickens all suffering for their entire life. its funny seeing a fat nasty excuse for a human try to defend his abhorrent behavior. also, your article on ED is great
Yea I've thought about this before. Except about pets. Has anyone ever heard of survival of the cutest?? Me neither!! It's sad to say this but in order for canines or felines to proliferate on this planet they must become "cute".
My Mom raises Chihuahuas. Personally, I consider them evolutionary abominations. However, they are "cute" so they're fit to survive on this planet because people want cute pets. Chihuahuas will never go extinct...until humans do.
TJ: PLEASE inform about the issue you're talking about and don't jjust do a stupid kids "I-have-another-opinion-to-go-against-the-mainstream-and-not-because-I-think-it's-right"-mode. You criticized it when other people did it (Atheism vs. Scepticism), so don't be a f*ckin' pussy and stay true to you're words.
@TheVisibleWind It surely wouldn't. But this video was made to be offensive and I'm a vegetarian, so I'm supposed to be at least a little pissed about the "factory-farms-are-their-habitat"-thing, because that statement doesn't have anything to do with reality.
@TheAmazingAtheist its not the killing industry which increases population, its the breeding For the killing. take out the killing, u got what organisations Actually do to save endangered species. with ur pet dog hav u ever been surprised of the level of connection there is with them? does their affection to u not match that of humans, if not more so? do u know if cows / pigs / chickens aren't like this? ever cared to research? any ethical considerations towards their physical & mental torture?
There was a study done at the Bose institute in India that showed plants feel 4 times the pain of a flesh oriented being basically throwing out the ethical and moral debate on veganism as well!
@JakeMan06 Yes I can. Search Wikipedia for Dr. Bose plant studies there is a lot of info there. As well Jacque Fresco on YT about Vegetarianism will give you some tangible evidence to support what I claim!
the kfc and mcdonald's are next to each other in my town and I always have to debate with myself over which to go to, despite buying 2 of whatever I order anyway, why did I not think of the Slaughterhouse!?
i would like to become a vegetarian because i do not agree with the way they are farmed and slaughtered for environmental and humane reasons. loving and protecting animals isnt the only reason to become a vegetarian,
Ethics does not apply in such a case, it's kinda pathetic. Factory farms I will agree are bad. But the majority of the livestock industry lets the animals live in a natural setting so that's not really an issue.
Sure the population of farmed animals is big, but there is still an ethical dilemma. Humans have stopped their natural evolution, their gene pool is controlled and bastardised to maximise the food production. Without that interference they could have evolved and flourished naturally. It's just way more convenient to pick a chicken up at your backyard/supermarket than to hunt it down in the wild. The possible extinction would have also been a natural thing, just like an individual death. hmmm...
Many farm animals are artificially inseminated (turkeys in particular) because they can't reproduce effectively enough to produce all the meat we demand......Eating meat isn't wrong but eating the amount of crappily produced stuff that people do these days is wrong, on many levels and for many reasons that others have already mentioned here.
How scary is this guy??? I'm just an artist, my interest and passion is art and music. I love the truth but within the context of art. Art helps you to digest the truth so it's not so direct, art saves you. But this guy is so passionate about the truth and direct that I'm trembling - there's no cushion at all here. This guy cares nothing about you, only the truth. I can't imagine what people who actually oppose the truth feel in the presence of this good fellow. 2 MUCH!!!
if you want to look like this and know that you are adding to cruelty on the planet just go ahead and do this. he is talking total bs if you do any real research you will find that he is just trying to justify his bad habbits. go vegan help yourself and help your planet we only have one
True. What do you wanna do exactly PETA! Just release these domesticated animals? Watch them suffer in the wild? At least it's nature when the get eaten by other animals. Oh wait!? Arent we animal? You're gonna tell us that we are cruel but other animals tear other animals to shreds and some, I assure you, eaten while alive. No no no we're the bad guys cause we have different hunting technigues. More humane than nature. Nature doesn't care.
That said... it's true that a system where we ate small amounts of animals would most likely be more environmentally sound than one with no animal products at all. But to pretend that engorging yourself with the products of our current system is actually some kind of political or moral act or even justified in those terms is totally invalid. If we weren't able to forget and/or ignore reality, there is no way we would put up, individually or collectively, with animal agriculture as it stands
...into CAFO's and the systemic issue of dehumanization of workers in factory farms and slaughterhouses and to actually believe that a single one of these animals benefits. Keeping people in a pen, forcing them to fuck all day every day, and never allowing them to see the sun for 20 years and then cutting their heads off would benefit them from the perspective of proliferation of the species just as well. Not to mention the suffering resulting from the genetic abomination of factory "chickens"
... (cont) for someone who actually cares about misery rather than some vague notion of success AS A SPECIES (which isn't even relevant given the absolute, complete disruption of "the natural order" due to human interference, not that this is necessarily a bad thing), there is an obvious preference for a wider variety of smaller populations of animals with higher genetic variation and who are able to live according to their insticts. You have to be completely daft to actually do any research ..
Interesting, but an argument against vegetarianism from the perspective of "proliferation of the species" is pretty skewed, morally... maybe you don't believe in morals/ethics but in that case why even attempt to justify meat-eating in the context of the modern industrial agricultural system, just admit that you eat it because it tastes good. Some people who don't eat meat just don't want animals to suffer. Chickens pigs and cows don't care about their species, and ....
Well by now you probably have since it's been around for a little while, but have you heard of the meat monster sandwich they have a burger king in japan, it's a 1000 calorie sandwich wtih 2 beef patties, a chicken patty, and a fuckload of bacon, and if you want they'll even put a fried fish patty on it too, i can safely say it puts the double down/baconator thing that you made to shame. I think they made it because the realized there aren't enough fat Asians out there,i mean think about it
I don't mind vegetarians at all they have their ideals.
What I do hate are city people who eat meat, but act disgusted when they are reminded where the meat comes from.
When I lived in America for some year, I had a girlfriend who ate meat every fucking day, like 20 times more meat than me, but when I at some point mentioned that when I was younger I slaughtered some lambs with my family she was outraged how I could do such a thing. That pissed me off a lot more than any vegetarian.
"The Slaughterhouse" LOL Priceless... I laughed my ass so hard to this. And i love beef but c'mon man, i don't have what it takes to eat all that stuff in a single dish.
Eating lions wouldn't make their population grow. It would make artificial lion hybrids and human designed lions' populations grow. Eating meat that is factory farmed is detrimental to the environment and to a liberal view of how the economy should work. I wish you'd just admit you like eating meat because it tastes good instead of pretending that it's rational and logical to eat it. It delegitimizes your other arguments.
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@hedonism13 Nah, saturated fat is good for you. Vegetarians/vegans are just retarded and don't know anything about nutrition, or food for that matter.
I'm aware that saturated fats, in prescribed amounts substantially smaller than that in the burger shown in this video, are good for you. I'm also aware that there are plenty of ways to find these fats within the constraints of a raw vegan diet. I get most of my fats from coconut fat.
You know, your tone is not condusive to discussion. You're coming off as very insulting. First up, I am well researched in this area, and I don't need to watch documentaries to get my infomation. Nutrition (not something difficult to maintain in a vegan diet for anyone with a high school diploma) is secondary to ethics, which should be the main motivator for being a vegan, or even a vegetarian.
that death sandwich looks fucking sexy!
shawbb 2 hours ago
Did he realise hitler was a vegetarian?
2hackej 3 hours ago
your really fat and strange looking
8inchJohnson 8 hours ago
Why did I watch this when I was hungry. Goddamnit.
ChickenRamen 10 hours ago
The American Dietetic, Diabetic, and Heart Associations support veg(etari)an diets as having the capacity to be healthy, balanced, and fit for all stages of life. The United Nations is even urging for a global shift towards a vegan diet in order to relieve world hunger, poverty, utilize resources more efficiently, etc.
And in the end, there is nothing wrong with not wanting humans AND animals to suffer or be killed needlessly.
Yes, TJ, clearly people promoting such diets are very fail indeed.
abcdefwoo1234 19 hours ago
Just looking at you says that you a wrong! Your FAT! and UNHEALTHY!
rinkelin123 1 day ago
So what's the lesson? Biological drive for procreation is more important than suffering? Nyeeeh...? Not a very good lesson, is it?
Nope, it's not. If the act of producing offspring excused suffering, rape should be morally acceptable and legal. But since this is not the case, it's better for livestock to fade into obscurity or even go extinct rather than continue their existence in constant suffering.
enyvl 1 day ago
If they sold the ''slaughter house'' meal.... i would buy it!! :D
ChrisHayesArt 1 day ago
Wow, that's a great argument! Let's see what other species support it...O, hey, the Passenger Pigeon! In 19th century these poor bastards had been dragging a wretched existence of a pitiful 5 billion large flock. And then the blessing befell them that you talked about: the pigeon meat became commercialised! And in just a hundred years, the species proliferated to a proud and awesome number of ONE, who died happily, knowing that the future of his kind is secured.
Alknix 1 day ago
you ARE what you eat....
rblwoaclu2 1 day ago
A fat idiot talking about vegetarianism failing LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOL fatty put down the cow you are eating. For ONCE in all of your reactionary video's use logic.
YOU are an atheist?? Fuck me, that makes me feel really ashamed. You're an enraged, Neanderthal. There is nothing rational or logical about you. Yet you call yourself an atheist. ROFL
MarilynFilth 1 day ago
if you actually get angry over anyone elses diet choices, you probably need to re-evaluate your life. Some people choose not to eat meat - it's really not a big deal.
CathySchofield 2 days ago 10
@CathySchofield Exactly. Couldn't agree more.
ToffeeTrees 1 day ago
I eat meat. But only organic or free-range and never baby animals. I only eat meat when I need to, not when I want to. I realize that meat is naturally a part of our diet, humans are meant to eat meat. But that doesn't mean animals have to suffer before being killed. They should live long lives in large fields and be put down humanly. That is one reason I will never ever eat KFC. If we didn't eat cows, chickens and sheep they are still bred for milk, eggs and wool so they wouldn't go extinct.
Peacima 2 days ago
The reason why apex predators are less numerous is because there is nothing preying on them. population growth is an evolutionary retaliation to multiple predators in order to keep the species going
infernalone666 2 days ago
YES!! I completely agree with this. Vegetarianism is something I do not agree with at all
infernalone666 2 days ago
chicken is made of chickens u dumbass
zim129 2 days ago
@zim129 are you sure? I always thought they made them out of dogs. Thank you for clairifying this age-old puzzel.
mogem 2 days ago
Dat burger.
Helge129 2 days ago
Maybe the only video I don't like of TJ's. I'm not stupid, I know all of this. I'm a vegetarian because animals are killed cruelly. I am however aware that humans eating animals is what is needed to be balanced, no over population.
dancingviper18 2 days ago
T.A.A's only video fail.
bleebloe 2 days ago 13
Vegetarians are cruel. They eat vegetables, that can't even shout if they get hurt.
algi80 2 days ago
I like you T.J--you're an extremely intelligent man---but have you ever seen how your food was slaughtered? If not then you should...your view would change dramatically (assuming you truly are smart)...and comparing Jelly Beans to living creatures, seriously??
LatinoHeatMexico 4 days ago
So we'd be successful if there was a 100 Billion humans, each being kept in a shed and eventually being eaten? That makes no sense.
rgrannell1 4 days ago
@rgrannell1 can I triple-like this? THANK YOU for pointing this out!
squarekolt 1 day ago
This guy was probably molested by a vegetarian or something.
MikeSkiera 5 days ago
Even if you aren't a vegetarian you shouldn't eat fast food. Thats gross.
MikeSkiera 5 days ago
That's looking fucking delicious
Saintboss01 5 days ago
Rationalizing the facilitation of the torturing of animals. Extinction would be a gift compared to an existence of torture.
thepepis 6 days ago
we dont have the double down in England..and what the hell is a baconator? ..it sounds sexy.
Enuiofmoonglade 6 days ago
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm dead animal flesh! :D
I need to go get myself a nice big juicy double bacon burger right now!!
FrozenUtility01 6 days ago
I eat vegetables because they're better for me than bacon. I don;t really agree with how animals are treated, but I don't eat them for a different reason.
cobchob 6 days ago
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@cobchob Why not eat both? I do.
90Rush 6 days ago
<3 Capitalism.
MrFreeCookie 6 days ago
@MrFreeCookie CHEAP SHINY JUNK MADE IN CHINA MAKES EVERYONE FEEL BETTER ^_^
FrozenUtility01 6 days ago
hahaha, "the slaugterhouse"
RHSSCHTV 1 week ago
Vegtarians are lame for another reason:
Why do you think that there are no vegetarians in the poor countries in for example Africa?
Because they eat whatever they find to survive.
Vegetarians only exist in places where we have a choice in what we eat.
Tho I believe of course that we can improve how we breed, treat and kill the animals we eat but not eating is just stupid. We should be happy that we have the choice to eat meat or not.
lawless8888 1 week ago
@lawless8888 I'd consider India a poor country yet almost half the population is vegetarian...
TheDoktormartini 6 days ago
@TheDoktormartini Yeah of course there are poor people who still don't eat because of religious beliefs but they starve instead =P
lawless8888 6 days ago
@lawless8888 Having a choice is essential and highly relevant, ethically speaking. If the only way for me to survive was to kill other humans then I might be ethically justified to do so. Having an option changes the scenario dramatically. Continuing to kill humans for no reason other than, say, my personal enjoyment becomes morally unjustifiable.
The same is true when our victims are other animals. If we can live without exploiting and killing them, we can't justify continuing to do so.
LiberacionIgualdad 3 days ago
@LiberacionIgualdad Yeah you are partly right. But it's in our nature to eat meat.
lawless8888 2 days ago
im not a vegeterian because i love animals, im a vegeterian because i hate plants :@
lootwarmeggz 1 week ago
I like how people care about the pain about fucking animals when there are starving people all around the world who needs aid.
MrMadjackmacmad 1 week ago
@MrMadjackmacmad most of them do get aids lol
FrozenUtility01 6 days ago
@FrozenUtility01 lol nice one
MrMadjackmacmad 6 days ago
@MrMadjackmacmad Well humans are actually animals, and if you want to solve the hunger problem, Did you know that the actual agricultural production will be enough to feed every human in earth? But a great part of that production goes to feed animals to produce meet, and instead of feeding starving people they feed animals to produce meet for the "rich" ones. Even so i dont see why humans are more important than the "fucking animals"
letxen25 1 minute ago
Not only have cows "succeeded" because of humans, they exist only because we made them. ;) The original "cow" is nothing like what we have today. They owe their entire existence to us.
BACON! Omnomonoomonm ... lurv me bacon and beef.
The lumber industry is responsible for most of the new forest growth in the last 20 years as well. It's amazing how many things we have helped proliferate simply because ... we like something they offer.
KittenKoder 1 week ago
Lose 10 IQ for making a stupid argument.
iPlayTube 1 week ago
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When I worked at BK I used to sneak a tiny piece of meat onto all veggie burgers and smother it in ketchup! ROFL
snaveleber 1 week ago
"knowing that 3 different kinds of animals had to die to make this possible give me a BIG OLE BONER!" - hahahaha, that was the best
JagdActor1 1 week ago
Okay, I don't have a problem if someone wants to eat neat, but if you do so you might as well eat it healthily. Do you realized what crap you are putting in your body? The baconator? Really -.-
xCandiedVeins 1 week ago
I have to claim that it's not the slaughtering of animals that gets to me. It's the treatment they receive before being slaughtered is what urks me. I love meat. But I also love animals too. I'm not saying the abuse and torment of animals come with each and ever slaughter. But there are some facilities out there that have questionable methods of treating livestock. To say they are just going to die anyways still doesn't give the right. It's the same for us. We wouldn't want that for ourselves.
ffvincent52 1 week ago
i once used to think that you're smart ...i wonder if you just act stupid or really are that way
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oveid 1 week ago
that's so true men
radelgratereaux 1 week ago
I don't eat meat because it tastes good. Infact, meat doesn't really taste like anything. It's all the salt and other spices and sauces that is used that brings the taste. I eat meat because it has protein, I like its composition and it fills me up.
Apjooz 1 week ago
2:25 Oh shit, is he gonna do what I think he's gonna do?
3:03 OMFG!! He totally did!
3:55 BEHOLD! The McFucking Depressing Burger!!
BreakRemake 1 week ago
i am not a vegetarian because i love animals, it's because i hate plants.
sandleparf 1 week ago
I'm a vegetarian because I'm totally disgusted by the total disregard these giant slaughterhouses have for safety, cleanliness and ethical standards. Humans are obviously meant to consume meat, and we've evolved with that in mind, so I'm not going to say we shouldn't be eating it, I'm just saying we should be better informed of which companies are being negligent. I also would not push my agenda upon other people. The information is out there, and people can make their own decisions.
xeryph 1 week ago
If there a vegetarians here, I have a "moral dilemma" for you, that is if you like the taste of meat but don't eat it out of pure principle. Imagine you're in a restaurant with a carnivorous friend. You took a salad, he took a steak. You finished your meal and are still hungry. He didn't finish his steak and the restaurant will simply throw it away. Would you finish his steak because anyway it would be wasted, or would you order another salad and cause even more waste?
Wotanraven 1 week ago
@Wotanraven I would tell him that he should take it home. I hate wasting food, whether it be vegetarian or not.
xeryph 1 week ago
@xeryph Obviously, you need to play the game and you can't bypass my conditions. He can't take it home, the restaurant will throw it away and you only have the two choices that I set up.
Wotanraven 1 week ago
@Wotanraven Haha well damn, I guess I would eat it. Certain situations like that don't represent the big picture though.
xeryph 6 days ago
@Wotanraven , Ok. I'm a vegan. First of all, I wouldn't order a salad at a restaurant. What am I? A rabbit? But anyways. This dilemma you've proposed has happened to me before. And you know what I do? Nothing. Most of the time, my friend will save his food for later. Restaurants don't just throw your food away. Under no non-life-threatening circumstances would I munch on an animal to please a friend. Even if the food gets wasted. I'd be violating my principles for no good reason.
knowthetruth1492 1 week ago
LOL
MyEyesOnly18 1 week ago
Not trying to use the appeal to authority here, but what are the chances that the most influential intellectuals of our age like Richard Dawkins, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Sam Harris, Noam Chomsky, and Peter Singer all condemn our brutal treatment of farm animals, yet, this random fat guy on YouTube thinks that he can come up with a purely rational justification for factory-farming?
knowthetruth1492 1 week ago
@knowthetruth1492 He likes cheeseburgers.
drumsistkrieg1349 1 week ago
3150 people are late for thier salad.
Vierzbanator 1 week ago
The only reason they're numbers would go down drastically is because we destroyed their environment. Also, bringing lions and gorilla's up doesn't really work because they're habitats are so limited. Even two hundred years ago I'm pretty sure you wouldn't see any lions roaming L.A, but I could be wrong there. Wolves, I'm surprised they're so limited. But let's look at some animals we don't really eat with high numbers: Squirrels(25 billion, roughly) cats(220 million) Horses(over 50 million)
booshmaster82o 1 week ago
Well ,I'm a vegetarian and I can see you do make pretty good points on biology and such but I'm sticking to my soya and what not. Just on the fact that I don't think I could kill something even if I needed to. Also I can currently get all my nutrients I need from dairy, eggs and vegetables... But I'm open minded enough to listen to you AmazingAtheist. On the topic of extinction of farm animals , they have no purpose of life outside of being eaten . It's natural selection to let some animals die.
childofreletivity 1 week ago
@childofreletivity You wouldn't kill something to survive? If left up to natural selection, you would die then.
DeathBringer769 1 week ago
@DeathBringer769 Moot point. Humans don't rely on natural selection to further the species. Natural selection is pretty much irrelevant to us. Whether or not a vegetarian can survive in the wild is debatable (there have been cases in history where herbivores outlast carnivores due to disease and shortage of food), but it's not a relevant debate anyway.
mrevilevil2 1 week ago
@mrevilevil2 in all honesty, if you take a modern human and put them in the wild, they would eat an almost exclusively vegetarian diet, at least at first. most of us don't know how to hunt, so foraging is much easier straight out of the gate. but being a meat eater gives you the option of eating whatever presents itself. a vegetarian in the mountains surrounded by goats and dry scraggly grass could starve to death on principle.. therefore vegetarianism=stoopid
WashICH1 4 days ago
@DeathBringer769 That's true. I don't really think I have it in me. I know it's stupid and all that but I mianly have a problem with their living conditions.
But yes I would die. I don't really have too much a problem with that to some extent...
childofreletivity 1 week ago
@childofreletivity yes it is natural selection. and the way some(re:almost all) animals die in nature is by being eaten by other animals that are natural predators of said animals...(see man v. cow)
WashICH1 4 days ago
The Justin and Miley link is broken, and I am sad.
IseeRightThrough2you 1 week ago
I love meat, but that sandwich looks nasty even to me.
IseeRightThrough2you 1 week ago
@IseeRightThrough2you Get out.
MrBooBooCat 1 week ago
Animals rights doesn't necessarily mean vegetarian or vegan, just because we use them as a food source doesn't mean they need to suffer, look at Temple Grandin. :)
BlackenShade 1 week ago 31
@BlackenShade true, but the entire idea of "rights" is of human conception, nothing believes in, has knowledge of or can legitimately claim rights BUT humans. and even we dont have them. they only exist because most of us agree that they should. that being said, domesticated livestock only exist to feed us. we created them and they're our property and responsibility and it is for THAT reason that we should treat them with care. not because of "rights" that they dont have and dont really exist.
WashICH1 4 days ago
@WashICH1 Your critique is aimed at 'natural rights' not at 'legal rights'. The latter are very real, of high importance, and ever changing and expanding. Black humans didn't have them not too long ago. Today even corporations have them. Mentally disabled humans, with no capacity to grasp the idea of 'rights', have them.
There's no reason why other animals should be, on principle, denied the possibility to have rights. Rights are just a way to protect interests and animals have interests.
LiberacionIgualdad 3 days ago
@BlackenShade Any notion of 'animal rights' must entail, at the very least, the most fundamental ones such as the right to life, liberty and not to be regarded as property.
This is why animal rights must entail a respect for their life, at the very least. Killing them unnecessarily, just so we can have a fleeting and replaceable pleasure, obviously violates any notion of animal rights or even the most basic respect to someone.
LiberacionIgualdad 3 days ago
Your definition is wrong from the start
BennyDdDizzle 1 week ago
i love richard dawkins: the selfish gene.
killswell 1 week ago
What an e-begging cunt.
IceYourPimpHand 1 week ago
This Burger looks fucking awesome.
maxmaxmaxmax35 1 week ago
it's their living conditions they have a problem with.
meloveanna 1 week ago 26
@meloveanna Eh, that's not entirely accurate. Not only are they upset with their living conditions, but a lot of them simply don't want animals killed at all.
DeathBringer769 1 week ago
@meloveanna
I think the regulations are pretty good these days in the Western world. Of course there are farms that violate them but still.
Apjooz 1 week ago
@meloveanna it is a valid point but the living conditions of most humans are not better than the living conditions of domesticated animals. i think we should care for the humans first and for the animals later on.
team1337er 1 week ago
Shoulda got a Sirloin cheeseburger from Jack in The Box too. lol
FrostmourneFK 1 week ago
We talk about what is and isn't natural like we're some kind of God. When in fact we ourselves are animals. So anything that happens is natural. The impossible is the only thing unnatural.
masterlinkmatt 1 week ago
@masterlinkmatt It's not the case that everything is organic. When you order a burger at the drive-thru, you're getting beef that has been raised on a diet of soy, feces, and other cows. Now, you can call that "natural," but it's not like that meat was developed organically without the interference of modern industry. What's remarkably stupid about this video is that nowhere does a-atheist acknowledge that many people are vegetarians due to health rather than ethical reasons.
ZeusYourUncle 1 week ago
Everything you discuss revolves around personal choice, and how an opinion that doesn't side with you is wrong.
I'm a vegetarian, and I'm not offended by your opinion (which I agree with.) and anti-social behaviour, I actually laughed. If you really want a topic to discuss, talk about how anti-social behaviour can hurt people, for that'd be a better idea for anything you'd come up with.
It's difficult to comprehend how you acquire views for enforcing a hiveminded opinion held by a large commu-
depress0r 1 week ago
If you stop eating meat, the animals are still being slaughtered and all you're doing is making your diet more complicated by avoiding meats.
nictherocker 1 week ago
@nictherocker
Gee, more complicated? Vegetarians have a significantly lower chance of having heart disease, cardiovascular disease, obesity, diabetes, and cancer. As long as I'M not eating meat I'm happy, because all it really is is glorified dead animal flesh.
lilyallen194 1 week ago
@lilyallen194 ha. Actually that is SO not true. They did a comparative study and animal fats do not contribute to heart disease...how ever vegetable oils DO because our body does not readily process cholesterol created by vegetable oils. It is also a known fact the people with a low animal fat intake are also more prone to depression. I would be glad to provide sources.
lordpoee 1 week ago
@lordpoee Vegetable oils are generally used while cooking meat. Unless you're implying that you drink it straight, or put it on veggies (which you would, in circumstance, when it comes to potatoes and such).
And animal products generally have cholesterol in them, as you'd no doubt know.
As for depression - I'm too depressed to care. :P
jaieet 1 week ago
@lordpoee I'd like the source for the animal fat one if you could pm it please, thanks. :D
hceely 1 week ago
@nictherocker I'm a vegetarian, and it's not super-complicated. Actually, cooking is easier when you don't eat meat.
ZeusYourUncle 1 week ago
Black people wouldn't be in America if it weren't for slavery, therefore slavery good! Why is it that besides the easy anti-religion arguments, you can't make a single good argument? Can you seriously study up on some philosophy and argumentative construction?
Beanybag2 1 week ago
id be cool whit killing animal if they did it quik
xpointkiller 1 week ago
no vegetarian i've talked to cares about the population of a species. they care about the food they eat. but good job on being offensive. and nice book plug at the end.
whereisthelin3 1 week ago
Dude you think it would honestly drive them to extinction there is still milk ,eggs and other "animal products" that can keep livestock on farms so look up these things before you start ranting
joncharlesTv 2 weeks ago
Hey, look at the tempermental fatass telling other people how to eat. Look, don't tell me how to eat and I won't tell you how not to be a disgusting slob.
ZeusYourUncle 2 weeks ago
@ZeusYourUncle Where did he tell you how to eat?
masterlinkmatt 1 week ago
@masterlinkmatt He implied how people should eat. Put aside your bias.
ZeusYourUncle 1 week ago
Veggies out there. Gimme some quick recipes, I've been doing this about a week and all I got is noodles, rice, omelets and quiches. Occasional veg curry but I have to pay at the Chinese res. and they too lexprensirve.
HLecterPHD 2 weeks ago
lions gorillas and wolves lose their habitat and food because of us, idiot. there are 8 billion chickens all suffering for their entire life. its funny seeing a fat nasty excuse for a human try to defend his abhorrent behavior. also, your article on ED is great
OdolWAAAAGH 2 weeks ago
Yea I've thought about this before. Except about pets. Has anyone ever heard of survival of the cutest?? Me neither!! It's sad to say this but in order for canines or felines to proliferate on this planet they must become "cute".
My Mom raises Chihuahuas. Personally, I consider them evolutionary abominations. However, they are "cute" so they're fit to survive on this planet because people want cute pets. Chihuahuas will never go extinct...until humans do.
MerleSwagger 2 weeks ago
TJ: PLEASE inform about the issue you're talking about and don't jjust do a stupid kids "I-have-another-opinion-to-go-against-the-mainstream-and-not-because-I-think-it's-right"-mode. You criticized it when other people did it (Atheism vs. Scepticism), so don't be a f*ckin' pussy and stay true to you're words.
Sapheiron 2 weeks ago
@Sapheiron I don't think that would have been nearly as much fun as what he did in this video.
TheVisibleWind 1 week ago
@TheVisibleWind It surely wouldn't. But this video was made to be offensive and I'm a vegetarian, so I'm supposed to be at least a little pissed about the "factory-farms-are-their-habitat"-thing, because that statement doesn't have anything to do with reality.
Sapheiron 1 week ago
@Sapheiron You're right, it doesn't. I've noticed that most of TJ's videos are made to be extremely shamelessly offensive.
TheVisibleWind 1 week ago
@TheAmazingAtheist its not the killing industry which increases population, its the breeding For the killing. take out the killing, u got what organisations Actually do to save endangered species. with ur pet dog hav u ever been surprised of the level of connection there is with them? does their affection to u not match that of humans, if not more so? do u know if cows / pigs / chickens aren't like this? ever cared to research? any ethical considerations towards their physical & mental torture?
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JakeMan06 2 weeks ago
There was a study done at the Bose institute in India that showed plants feel 4 times the pain of a flesh oriented being basically throwing out the ethical and moral debate on veganism as well!
TheMuskokaman 2 weeks ago
@TheMuskokaman could you provide this study?
JakeMan06 2 weeks ago
@JakeMan06 Yes I can. Search Wikipedia for Dr. Bose plant studies there is a lot of info there. As well Jacque Fresco on YT about Vegetarianism will give you some tangible evidence to support what I claim!
TheMuskokaman 2 weeks ago
@TheMuskokaman Alright rad. Wasn't being a bastard just interested to here. Thanks
JakeMan06 2 weeks ago
@JakeMan06 no prob
TheMuskokaman 2 weeks ago
the kfc and mcdonald's are next to each other in my town and I always have to debate with myself over which to go to, despite buying 2 of whatever I order anyway, why did I not think of the Slaughterhouse!?
TheSmashedPumpkin 2 weeks ago
i would like to become a vegetarian because i do not agree with the way they are farmed and slaughtered for environmental and humane reasons. loving and protecting animals isnt the only reason to become a vegetarian,
BritneyFanatic100 2 weeks ago
@BritneyFanatic100
Ethics does not apply in such a case, it's kinda pathetic. Factory farms I will agree are bad. But the majority of the livestock industry lets the animals live in a natural setting so that's not really an issue.
NUTCASE71733 2 weeks ago
Makes me want to try The Slaughterhouse :D
I'll thank you if I survive my heart attack
DarrellThody 2 weeks ago
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Mama had a cow. Mama had a chicken. Dad was proud he didn't care how. dun dun dun dun dun den denna den den denent.
OddjobTrifelyn 2 weeks ago
Mama had a cow. Mama had a chicken. Dad was proud he didn't care how. dun dun dun dun dun den denna den den denent.
OddjobTrifelyn 2 weeks ago
I'm hungry
Ultravenom1 2 weeks ago
@Ultravenom1 same :)
aureez 2 weeks ago
Sure the population of farmed animals is big, but there is still an ethical dilemma. Humans have stopped their natural evolution, their gene pool is controlled and bastardised to maximise the food production. Without that interference they could have evolved and flourished naturally. It's just way more convenient to pick a chicken up at your backyard/supermarket than to hunt it down in the wild. The possible extinction would have also been a natural thing, just like an individual death. hmmm...
aakkoin 2 weeks ago
Many farm animals are artificially inseminated (turkeys in particular) because they can't reproduce effectively enough to produce all the meat we demand......Eating meat isn't wrong but eating the amount of crappily produced stuff that people do these days is wrong, on many levels and for many reasons that others have already mentioned here.
Buppy2012 2 weeks ago
How scary is this guy??? I'm just an artist, my interest and passion is art and music. I love the truth but within the context of art. Art helps you to digest the truth so it's not so direct, art saves you. But this guy is so passionate about the truth and direct that I'm trembling - there's no cushion at all here. This guy cares nothing about you, only the truth. I can't imagine what people who actually oppose the truth feel in the presence of this good fellow. 2 MUCH!!!
bowenmcconnie 2 weeks ago
"The slaughter house" LMAO.
Earthwalker40 2 weeks ago
if you want to look like this and know that you are adding to cruelty on the planet just go ahead and do this. he is talking total bs if you do any real research you will find that he is just trying to justify his bad habbits. go vegan help yourself and help your planet we only have one
bradwicked 2 weeks ago
@bradwicked yes then have to pop pills to stay alive.....
Dominico97 2 weeks ago
True. What do you wanna do exactly PETA! Just release these domesticated animals? Watch them suffer in the wild? At least it's nature when the get eaten by other animals. Oh wait!? Arent we animal? You're gonna tell us that we are cruel but other animals tear other animals to shreds and some, I assure you, eaten while alive. No no no we're the bad guys cause we have different hunting technigues. More humane than nature. Nature doesn't care.
ThePublicIsInsane 2 weeks ago
Damnit. Now I'm hungry.
OraHD 2 weeks ago
You made a mistake, there are 2 Billion and ONE pigs on this planet.
jamesrobert1017 2 weeks ago
@jamesrobert1017 Ah! You were referring to yourself, right?
KialraOfDeath 2 weeks ago
That said... it's true that a system where we ate small amounts of animals would most likely be more environmentally sound than one with no animal products at all. But to pretend that engorging yourself with the products of our current system is actually some kind of political or moral act or even justified in those terms is totally invalid. If we weren't able to forget and/or ignore reality, there is no way we would put up, individually or collectively, with animal agriculture as it stands
mistertich 2 weeks ago
...into CAFO's and the systemic issue of dehumanization of workers in factory farms and slaughterhouses and to actually believe that a single one of these animals benefits. Keeping people in a pen, forcing them to fuck all day every day, and never allowing them to see the sun for 20 years and then cutting their heads off would benefit them from the perspective of proliferation of the species just as well. Not to mention the suffering resulting from the genetic abomination of factory "chickens"
mistertich 2 weeks ago
... (cont) for someone who actually cares about misery rather than some vague notion of success AS A SPECIES (which isn't even relevant given the absolute, complete disruption of "the natural order" due to human interference, not that this is necessarily a bad thing), there is an obvious preference for a wider variety of smaller populations of animals with higher genetic variation and who are able to live according to their insticts. You have to be completely daft to actually do any research ..
mistertich 2 weeks ago
Interesting, but an argument against vegetarianism from the perspective of "proliferation of the species" is pretty skewed, morally... maybe you don't believe in morals/ethics but in that case why even attempt to justify meat-eating in the context of the modern industrial agricultural system, just admit that you eat it because it tastes good. Some people who don't eat meat just don't want animals to suffer. Chickens pigs and cows don't care about their species, and ....
mistertich 2 weeks ago
I love animals, but I also love medium-cooked steak and marinated grilled chicken.
SuperSkeletonGirl 2 weeks ago
Well by now you probably have since it's been around for a little while, but have you heard of the meat monster sandwich they have a burger king in japan, it's a 1000 calorie sandwich wtih 2 beef patties, a chicken patty, and a fuckload of bacon, and if you want they'll even put a fried fish patty on it too, i can safely say it puts the double down/baconator thing that you made to shame. I think they made it because the realized there aren't enough fat Asians out there,i mean think about it
HelloFade2 2 weeks ago
@HelloFade2 aside from Sumo wrestlers how man fat asian people have you seen.
HelloFade2 2 weeks ago
I don't mind vegetarians at all they have their ideals.
What I do hate are city people who eat meat, but act disgusted when they are reminded where the meat comes from.
When I lived in America for some year, I had a girlfriend who ate meat every fucking day, like 20 times more meat than me, but when I at some point mentioned that when I was younger I slaughtered some lambs with my family she was outraged how I could do such a thing. That pissed me off a lot more than any vegetarian.
GoldenChantarelle 2 weeks ago
The Double Baconator is my fav burger :)
narutofan4545 2 weeks ago
Agree. Plus being vegetarian is very unhealthy
MrZoider 2 weeks ago
@MrZoider How so? Science points otherwise again and again.
starfaery 2 weeks ago
"The Slaughterhouse" LOL Priceless... I laughed my ass so hard to this. And i love beef but c'mon man, i don't have what it takes to eat all that stuff in a single dish.
Dirus2099 2 weeks ago
Eating lions wouldn't make their population grow. It would make artificial lion hybrids and human designed lions' populations grow. Eating meat that is factory farmed is detrimental to the environment and to a liberal view of how the economy should work. I wish you'd just admit you like eating meat because it tastes good instead of pretending that it's rational and logical to eat it. It delegitimizes your other arguments.
kookoo275 2 weeks ago
I think I had a heart attack just looking at the slaughter house
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SnipeTConcolor 2 weeks ago
I have a name for your burger.
I call it "The Early Heart-Attack".
hedonism13 2 weeks ago
@hedonism13 Nah, saturated fat is good for you. Vegetarians/vegans are just retarded and don't know anything about nutrition, or food for that matter.
KinguNoKin 2 weeks ago
@KinguNoKin
I'm aware that saturated fats, in prescribed amounts substantially smaller than that in the burger shown in this video, are good for you. I'm also aware that there are plenty of ways to find these fats within the constraints of a raw vegan diet. I get most of my fats from coconut fat.
hedonism13 2 weeks ago
@hedonism13 There is always the injection method, when we take a hypodermic needle filled with liquid fat and then plunge that sucker in our arm.
TheVisibleWind 1 week ago
@hedonism13 oh, forgot the FatPills™
TheVisibleWind 1 week ago
@hedonism13 Just watch the documentary ''Fat Head'' if you are too lazy to do your research.
KinguNoKin 2 weeks ago
@KinguNoKin
You know, your tone is not condusive to discussion. You're coming off as very insulting. First up, I am well researched in this area, and I don't need to watch documentaries to get my infomation. Nutrition (not something difficult to maintain in a vegan diet for anyone with a high school diploma) is secondary to ethics, which should be the main motivator for being a vegan, or even a vegetarian.
hedonism13 2 weeks ago
I'm hungry now.
larsostli 2 weeks ago
Meat-eaters eat animals. Vegetarians eat their food
config2000 2 weeks ago
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config2000 2 weeks ago
You're fucking retarded.
kalivious 2 weeks ago
i love the irony of you eating that shit and being so fucking overweight
Emily9485 2 weeks ago
@Emily9485 Not really, he is a little on the big side but not like a fucking blimp like some people make out as.
MrDullmop 2 weeks ago