Sad to say, you are starting a revolution. Think about it, when has a tornado caused peace? When did a hurricane cause people to smile? What Father smiles when his wayward son takes a gun and kills his mother? Look at what Martin Luther did, he started a revolution. The same with Calvin. The French Revolution was horrible. All these things are catastrophes, and you Jay are starting a Catastrophe, and your Church will not stand sad to say. But I pray for your soul...
Look in the Bible, what does it say in Matthew 16:18? "Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." Notice, Christ does not say "Churches" but Church. The Church has not corrupted the world, Christ came to preach the truth. You need to hear the voice of the one true Church and heed the words of her.
Your Church is not a Church. It's called a group of individuals, coming together to pray. But it's not a Church.
You are transparent Jay. You have obviously not hidden the Word of God in your heart that you might not sin against God. Nothing you say leads anyone to God neither is the Word of God on your lips, so anyone who follows you is going nowhere.
@MegaSage007 It must be a wonderful world you live in where God gives you authority to sit in judgement. He can take a break cause you are sitting in judgement. AMAZING!
@MegaSage007 wow, you are the reason that people are leaving the church. Thanks, keep up the good work, you're God must be proud of you. You're nothing but a judgemental hypocrite. I hope you can find love for all in your heart before you meet your maker.
@rrsrichard dude i go to church god loves everyone equal no matter wat u do. the bad stuff that happen that people do is the devil seeing if they can trust god or not.
@Whitese7en Maybe that's how you see it, but that's not how the Moral Majority sees it, sorry, and you are espousing similar views.
I'm equating you with a group of extremists because you hold extreme views. If you were to go around saying you think black people are bad, I'd equate you with the people on Stormfront. Sorry, that's just the way this works.
The majority does oppose homosexuality, but the majority is also pretty dumb and bigoted. Luckily we aren't a democracy.
Oh, and stop pretending that the founding fathers were all born again christians and that they held your retarded ideals in high esteem. That's plainly horseshit.
@01234V43210 First off, I never once said anyone was a born-again Christian. Secondly, I'm not pretending anything. It's common knowledge that the founding fathers were either Christians or deists. The point, is that I believe that due to their personal faith, it never entered their minds that this would ever be an issue.
They did hold my ideals in high esteem, which is evidenced by their inclusion of God in the founding document which started this great nation. That's "plainly" truth.
@Whitese7en Do you know what a deist is? It's likely Deists wouldn't give a shit about homosexuality based on their spiritual ideas. Their values and your values pretty much end at the acknowledgment of the existence of god. Don't pretend that puts them squarely on your side.
@01234V43210 Yes, I do know what a deist is. No offense, but do you have a reading comprehension problem? I never once said they would "give a shit" about it. I said due to their Christian faith and/or faith in God, it most likely never entered their minds that homosexuality would ever be an issue that would later need to be dealt with. Even now, 200+ years later, it is not accepted by a majority of the population. So, it's not that much of a stretch to think they felt the same way back then.
@Whitese7en Hahaha, your dumb yokel ass is asking me if I have a reading comprehension problem. I'd like to see some numbers to back up your claim that a majority of people are that uptight about what other people do with their genitals. I'd also like to see that correlated with level of education, just for kicks. Oh hey, here's something cool: look up "gay rights by country" in wikipedia and look at all those cool places in red, then realize that people like you are responsible for Uganda :)
@01234V43210 Yes, I did ask you that, but only because you seem to not comprehend what I'm saying. According to a recent Gallup poll, 57 percent of Americans do not believe that same sex marriages should be recognized by the law as valid with the same rights as a traditional marriage. Look it up if you doubt me. Educational level has nothing to do with one's adherence to scriptural teaching. For the record, to be on staff at my church, a college degree is a requirement, except for custodians
Equating people like me with the rebels in Uganda, is akin to equating all Germans with the Nazi's. You're grasping at straws.here and I think you know it.
This is how I treat people.
Matt 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Of all the Christians I know, not one of them has ever expressed a desire to kill anyone. Just sayin.
@Whitese7en Regardless, in this country, we protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.
The more educated a person is, the less likely he is to believe in god.
And no, I'm not equating you with the rebels in Uganda, you idiot. I'm saying you're a christian extremist in the US, and that the US missionaries who went there and convinced them to make being a homosexual punishable by death are part of your Moral Majority sect. Continuing to identify with them is kind of fucked up.
@01234V43210 Well, at this time, the "majority" oppose same sex marriages. Sorry, that is just a fact that you will have to accept.
I'm not an extremist either, I'm just a Christian. I don't identify with them. Where did you get the idea that I identified with them? I couldn't give a rip whether someone is gay, that's their business. Nor do I want to make homosexuality against the law, never have and never will.
@01234V43210 It's not the government's business what goes on in the bedrooms of consenting adults. I do however vote for candidates whose values resemble my own, but that doesn't make someone an extremist. Nor will I apologize for that.
I do however as always, thank you for your opinions.
@01234V43210 You are equating me, based solely on the fact that I am a Christian, with a group of Missionaries who are clearly not Christian because they are still living under the Law.of Moses. Christians don't live under the law of Moses, because they have been set free from the law of Moses. Just because someone claims to be "Christian", that alone, doesn't necessarily mean they are "Christian".
@01234V43210 Personally, I don't know of one Christian who has even the remotest desire to make homosexuality punishable by death. In fact, I don't know of one Christian who even has a desire to make homosexuality illegal. WE DON'T CARE WHO PEOPLE SLEEP WITH AS LONG AS BOTH OR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED ARE CONSENTING ADULTS. Is that clear enough for you?
@01234V43210 You ever wonder why christianity has so many denominations? Nobody really knows about the "true" definition of this religion. It's a ideology that evolves with time. To me the "message" is common sense. Peace.
@almanzaalex If no one knows the "true" definition of the religion, then it's meaningless, you fucking moron. The religion DOES have a definition. The single requirement is that you believe in salvation through jesus; everything else defines denomination. Of course the ideology evolves with time. Reread what I fucking said.
@01234V43210 Christian's jumping on the PUNK ROCK band wagon! LOL Where were you in the late seventies or early eighties, before GREEN DAY? Christianity and PUNK ROCK or even ROCK is an OXYMORON. MORON.
@almanzaalex I'm glad that you know the only real definition of Christianity (something that apparently isn't just a "follower of Christ"), and that you alone stand up against the multitudes of people trying to personalize their religion. Great.
Jay is probably one of the very few "true" christians out there. I am what I would call a former christian and if I were to ever return it would be because of a guy like him.
Jay, I've thought about you and your sister over the years and my heart went out to you and your family. You're appearance is little bizarre for my taste, but I'm sure you're reaching a lot of people with God's love. BTW, is that a toothpick or a piercing? Just wondering. I was so focused on that, that I caught myself not paying attention sometimes to what you were saying. I don't mean any offense by any means. Now that you've got my attention, I'll look up some more about you. Blessings!
Jay Baker isn't being rejected because his parents (who were never really all that evil my eyes). Jay is being rejected because of his endorsements of homosexuality and "gay marriage". These things are clearly, clearly, clearly prohibited by God in both the Old and New Testaments. "Love thy neighbor" does not mean helping neighbor sin.
Spoken by the great Pharisaical Legalist graduate of Duke University. For someone who has studied law you certainly don't care about the civil rights of LGBT people. You sound more like a graduate of Jerry Fallwell's religious law school than you do a graduate of Duke. If you were wise and a professional you would be far more prone to look at the facts and the evidence supporting same sex marriage like David Boies is using in the Perry v. Schwarzenegger case.
What have I said that leads you to the conclusion that I don't care about the civil rights of LGBT people or anyone, for that matter?
Sorry, but when it comes to spiritual matters, I defer exclusively to the Bible, which contains all the evidence that is needed to determine what God's Law is concerning same sex marriage. God made no provision for same sex marriage and absolutely condemned homosexuality in both testaments of the holy scriptures.
"Sorry, but when it comes to spiritual matters, I defer exclusively to the Bible, which contains all the evidence that is needed to determine what God's Law is concerning same sex marriage. God made no provision for same sex marriage and absolutely condemned homosexuality in both testaments of the holy scriptures." Yeah you're sorry alright. These are yet again YOUR OPINION & INTERPRETATION.
Oh no my lost friend, they would not be surprised at all. In fact, I have a few friends who follow my writings, here on Youtube and on other websites.
The reason they wouldn't be surprised, is because everything that I write, is scriptural truth and that my lost friend, is how I also live my life. Just because one is true to the scriptures, it doesn't make one a "legalist". Jesus too was true to the scriptures, and He certainly wasn't a "legalist".
"Oh no my lost friend..." When you continue to say that everything that you write is "scriptural truth" you are being very Pharisaical. It is YOUR OPINION and YOUR INTERPRETATION and you continue to judge others like the typical lost Pharisee that you are! You're a classic bigot who is the one who is lost. Your Self-righteousness stinks to high heaven. True Jesus wasn't a legalist. His teachings were about as far away from your self-righteous b.s. as the sun is from pluto.
Your a typical Talibangelical fascist who thinks he is doing God a service and in your smug self-righteousness you think you are very loving, kind person all the while you wield a sharp judgmental bowie knife behind your self-righteous back. What a phony you are!
Homosexuality is your god, because that is what prevents you from worshipping the true God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Sorry bud, but you can't have it both ways. You can't claim to be a Christian and claim to serve the Lord Jesus Christ, l while at the same time denigrating His name and the Bible because it disagrees with your sinful flesh. And, yes, you denigrate His name when you make futile attempts to denigrate
His Word. God's Word will forever stand my lost friend, regardless of what lying heretics like Jay Bakker tell you. Long after your dead and your spirit is sent to Hell, God's Word will remain intact.
1st Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1st Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
"Enjoy this life and get out of it all that you can get, because it will be the last thing you will ever enjoy again for eternity." Thank you GOD. Thanks for your judgments (NOT!!) and I appreciate the fact that you know all things and can make such judgments. Whitese7en you're revealing your true colors the more you post here. You're showing how you totally get a rush out of judging people with your own self-righteous interpretation of the Bible.
"His Word. God's Word will forever stand my lost friend, regardless of what lying heretics like Jay Bakker tell you. Long after your dead and your spirit is sent to Hell, God's Word will remain intact." There you go again acting like you are God. Thinking that you know God's will for another person's life when you don't. U can take your self-righteous, judgments and shove them up your tight, condescending, holier than thou ass!
LMAO - "Homosexuality is your god, because that is what prevents you from worshipping the true God, the Lord Jesus Christ." Spoken yet again by a self-righteous arrogant pharisaical ass who thinks he knows it all.
Whitese7en you denigrate His name everytime you post here with your self-righteous, know it all, Pharisaical judgments. Obviously you don't understand what it means to be a follower of Christ as you act like a Pharisee. You continue to spout off like you know all things like God yet you don't. You continue to preach like you know all of the answers about this issue but you don't. You live in a fantasy world. You probably believe that Dinosaurs and humans walked on the earth at the same time
I definitely don't know all things, nor have I once said that I do. All the answers to who God is and what He desires for His followers, are contained in His Word. Anyone, who takes the time to learn about Him through the study of His word, can know those answers too.
"His word huh?" Which word? Which manuscript? Which one is the "word?" To say I have a distain for these things is about as stupid and ignorant a statement to make but it typically comes from a dipshit like you.
LOL!! Everytime you post my lost friend, your disdain for scriptural truth, is palpable. You mock it and laugh in the face of it, everytime it is presented, simply because it conflicts with your flesh. I know without a shadow of a doubt, that if it agreed with your flesh, you wouldn't mock it, nor would you mock those who presented it.
It is merely because it is so disagreeable with your flesh, that you attack those who dare to proclaim it. My lost friend, that is the very nature of God's Word. It is irritating to those who hear it and do not know the only one who has the authority to forgive sins (1Cor 1:18).
You say "which manuscript?" So, please show me a version of the Bible that doesn't condemn homosexuality as sin.
You show me the most ancient manuscripts and prove to the jury here that these specific books (i.e. Corinthians and Romans) were condemning same gender orientation and love. Prove to the jury here from the most ancient manuscripts (the most original possible) you can find that Paul was specifically preaching about homosexual oriented persons as we know and understand them today. Prove it there smarty pants. Prove it.
There's nothing to prove, my lost friend, it's right there in the Bible.
I have said numerous times, that some of the verses used to condemn homosexuality, are not dependent upon the use of the word homosexuality. There is no question, that what Paul is referring to in Romans 1:27, is clearly men having sexual intercourse with other men.
It doesn't say the man leaving the natural use of the woman in the original Greek. You don't even know the original ancient Greek so don't play the KJV game with me. To be honest to even use the "natural use" makes it sound like women are there to be used by men. That tells me that whomever translated that was steeped in sexism. It appears that Paul had a few problems with sexism by the way.
So what is the error that they received in themselves? Do you even know the history about what Paul saw including the horrifying self-mutilation that some of the priests who worshipped a goddess. You don't care about the history and reality surrounding Paul's world. All you care about is your own anachronistic modern interpretation. You wouldn't think to ever even question your dogma for one second because it might cause you to fall off your self-righteous pedestal.
To be perfectly honest Whitese7en if you had lived during the days of Jesus you would likely have been one of those Pharisaical people screaming "Crucify him, crucify him." That's the kind of jerk yo have proven yourself to be on YouTube.
@Whitese7en The Bible condemns all kinds of other harmless shit that no one cares about, but you feel the need to restrict others' basic rights because you're a brainwashed bigot. Super.
@Whitese7en If you vote for political candidates who oppose gay marriage or who are for the integration of church and state, you are taking a direct part in the restriction of other peoples' basic civil rights, sorry. It's also great to know that you don't have opinions, you have the very voice of your god speaking through you. It's great to know someone omnipotent by proxy like you, maybe you can use your magic god proclamations to get a parking ticket taken care of for me.
@01234V43210 No I'm not, because there is no Constitutional or "civil right" to marry. It is impossible for me to restrict or deny a right which doesn't even exist. When I vote for and financially support anti-same sex marriage candidates, I am doing nothing more than exercising my right to vote for the candidate of my choosing, which denies no one their "basic civil rights". Nice try though.
@Whitese7en Yeah, and women shouldn't be able to vote, either. Those people who opposed it were just exercising their right to vote for the same sort of bigoted asshole candidates that you are now, you braindead religious fanatic. "I thank you for your opinion." Haha, you must have an IQ below 90.
@01234V43210 Just because I vote for conservative candidates who campaign to protect the traditional definition of marriage, that doesn't mean that I think women shouldn't have a right to vote. There's nothing immoral about a woman voting. On another note, resorting to personal attacks, does nothing to strengthen your position.
@Whitese7en I'm not trying to strengthen my position, simply because I don't need to. You're a bigot. You don't want gay people to have the same basic rights that you do. Your religion is pretty evil.
"As always, thanks for your opinion." ahahah what a moron
@01234V43210 Was Christ a bigot? The reason I ask, is because my position is the same position that Christ held. He too recognized that marriage was only to be between one man and one woman period. There were no other provisions given for marriage in scripture. Christ recognized and held to this scriptural truth as do I. Marriage in any form, other than 1 man and 1 woman being married to each other exclusively, is forbidden by scripture. I don't make up the rules, I just abide by them.
@Whitese7en Are you kidding me? When did Jesus ever once explicitly comment on homosexuality? Jesus didn't always hold the same views as some of the other people in the Bible, and in fact he contradicted a lot of old edicts. If he didn't comment on something, that's not necessarily tacit approval. Also, it doesn't matter whether or not Jesus was a bigot; thinking that homosexuals don't deserve the right to marry is bigotry. Y'all seem fine with a lot of other sins, anyway. Faith is a choice.
@01234V43210 I never said He did comment on homosexuality. He did however comment on marriage and who it is reserved for(Mark 10:6-9). Actually, homosexuals don't have a right to marry, as no one has a right to marry. Again, it's not a civil right that is recognized in this country through our Constitution. There is no right to marry period. Thinking homosexuals don't have a right to marry, is correct, because they don't have a right to marry, according to our Constitution. Sin is a choice too
@Whitese7en They're not legally entitled to marriage like you are. Just because it isn't outlined in the constitution doesn't mean it isn't a right. Stop fucking around with semantics like you're actually saying something and focus on what's actually being said. Just because they don't currently have those rights constitutionally doesn't mean that they shouldn't. Mark 10 says nothing about whether or not homosexuality is wrong. Try again. "Sin is a choice" -- hah. You're utterly filled with hate
@01234V43210 That's my point, I'm not "legally entitled" to marriage anymore than a homosexual is. No one is "legally entitled", because it's not a civil right that was ever granted to anyone. It's not about "semantics", it's about the law. For whatever reason, the forefathers chose to not address the issue of marriage as a right guaranteed under the Constitution. That is most likely because of their Christian heritage; they didn't foresee this ever being an issue.
We're not talking about whether they should or shouldn't have the right (at least I'm not) we're talking about whether they do or ever did have the right. You've accused me of denying someone a right which according to the laws of this country, has never been granted. As I said before, Mark 10:6-9 addresses marriage and who it is exclusively reserved for (men & women who marry each other) according to God Himself.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist or even a college degree to connect those dots. If it is reserved for men & women exclusively who marry each other, then there is no provision for same sex marriage. My point in saying "sin is a choice", is that regardless of whether or not homosexuality is a choice, sin very much is a choice. Who have I once said I hate?
@Whitese7en What do you mean by "sin is a choice" if you don't mean "homosexuality is a choice?" I'm going to throw "in this context" in there because I know you have trouble staying in the lines. I'm not arguing about whether or not they do or did have the right - they don't. Stop playing word games. You don't believe that homosexuals deserve to marry. You vote for people who continue to keep them from having those rights. Your choice of religion is pretty fucked up.
One can have same sex attraction or homosexual desires, but still choose not to sin. Same sex attraction, in and of itself, isn't sinful. It's how one responds to those feelings/desires that leads to or doesn't lead to sin. No one can force us to sin, we must choose to. That's what I mean by sin is a choice.
I have no trouble "staying in the lines" but I do have a problem with people speaking dishonestly. It's not "word games", it's truth and I thank you for finally acknowledging the truth of where I speak.
Yes, as a born-again Christian, I unapologetically vote for candidates whose platforms include protecting the sacredness of marriage. As always, thank you for your opinion.
@Whitese7en Yeah, don't have sex because I say it's wrong. Don't fall in love, because I say it's wrong. Because my insane bronze-age religion says it's wrong. Because my political candidates use it to galvanize me, while they're caught sucking dick.
I wasn't even arguing whatever kind of horseshit you thought we were arguing about, you fucking moron. If you couldn't deduce that, you're pretty much stupid. And what sort of marriage is sacred to you? Christian marriage? Voodoo marriage?
@Whitese7en Christianity doesn't have any right to deny anyone anything in this country, period. The first amendment exists to protect us from retarded religions like yours and many others. Oh, and don't thank my for my opinion when you're obviously unable to consider anything that isn't handed down to you as dogma. This isn't a debate, this is the internet, and we're shitting on each other.
@Whitese7en Also, "tradition" doesn't equate with "good." In fact, it can often equate with evil. I hope you understand this. If you don't, you're sorely undereducated.
LMAO!!!! "Everytime you post my lost friend, your disdain for scriptural truth, is palpable. You mock it and laugh in the face of it, everytime it is presented, simply because it conflicts with your flesh." Nope I mock you (including your self-righteous, legalistic interpretation) and laugh at you because you're such a hypocritical joke. You go on and on judging people. I've read what other Christians have written about you and even those who are conservative think you are a Pharisee.
Just because someone professes to be a Christian(such as yourself) it doesn't necessarily mean they are a Christian.
Here's a hint, when they deny scriptural truth, will not endure sound doctrine, or receive godly correction, they aren't Christian(again, just like yourself).
I see you never mention those many godly believers who are in agreement with me, why not? Oh, I remember now, it's because they're all Pharisees, right??
So that's how it is with you. Anyone who dares to align themselves with little ole me, are all self-righteous Pharisees. Why then, do all of our points of view, agree with the scriptures, while yours, Jacksonhole's and the lying heretic Jay Bakker's, don't agree with scripture. Please explain that to me. I eagerly await your response.
"I see you never mention those many godly believers who are in agreement with me, why not? Oh, I remember now, it's because they're all Pharisees, right?? " WRONG! People can agree with you on certain issues but it is how they use their belief that makes all the difference. There are many Christians who agree with you on many of these issues. There is one of them who is far more of a Christian than you are or ever could imagine being. He posted on another site correcting you.
"Here's a hint, when they deny scriptural truth, will not endure sound doctrine, or receive godly correction, they aren't Christian(again, just like yourself)." Take a little bit of your own medicine mr. god.
Whitese7en - You likely would not be able to keep your religious dogma out of the courtroom. Theodore Olson and David Boies would mop the floor with you and then nail you to the wall as you would not have a leg to stand on.
Actually, my beliefs are personal to me and have no place in a courtroom.
I have however turned down some cases due to my beliefs, but, once I take a case, my beliefs are irrelevant to the case that I will argue on behalf of my client.
Yet my beliefs haven't to this date interfered with my cases and it's now been nearly 19 years that I have been practicing Law. And, for that entire time, I've been a born-again believer who daily holds to the truth of the scripture and because of this commitment to truth, God has blessed me beyond measure.
My lost friend, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. And one day, when you stand before God and are asked to give an account of your life, Jesus will not be there to plead your before the Father, He will be there to judge you. Because you don't know Him, the judgment will be severe and swift.
My lost Pharisee as usual you yourself don't have any Idea what you're talking about. You're such an implacable, religious zealot. To make such sweeping Pharisaical judgments about me regarding God is not only judgmental but shows what a self-righteous creep you are. Whites7en the kinds of judgment you just wrote up here shows what a tyrannical, self-righteous ass you are. You're the one who doesn't know God. Boy it must be extra special being God's pet Pharisee.
"Oops" is right. You just never give up with your judgments "If you disagree with this my lost friend, as I'm sure you do, you disagree with scripture." I don't need a jackass who thinks he is God quoting scripture to me thank you very much. I can read 1st Peter for myself very well without a zealous religious addict like you interpreting it for me thank you very much!
You're such a childish biblical literalist that you likely believe that humans had to watch out for tyrannosaurus rex and that the earth was created in 7 - 24 hour days. You probably believe that God instantaneously created Adam out of dirt and then put him to sleep and took out his rib and created Eve out of it like magic. You know what I meant by magic. You don't have to go on some diatribe about magic being evil or voodoo, etc. You know damn good and well what I was talking about.
Yes, I believe God has the power to create all of Creation in a mere 7 days. Actually, I believe He has the power to create in an instant. Why He decided to space it out over a 7 day period, I have no idea. Nor, is it even important to me.
Also yes, I believe the creation story as it is written.
You said "magic", so to me, that meant "magic", which is from Satan. No, I did not know what you meant. You are lost, so you could have meant anything.
LOL - Magic to me means "supernatural". That's the connotation it has in modern times. Just because it meant something different a long time ago does not mean it carries the same connotation today. "you are lost so you could have meant anything." Hey anyone who disagrees with your dogmatic views is lost. That's just your M.O.
"It's not that you disagree with me, that reveals you to be lost, it's that you disagree with and have a disdain for scriptural truth." said the great Pharisee.
The types of Evangelicals like Whitese7en are just a resurrection of the religious crusaders of the past who deluged the old world in blood over religious issues. That's how dangerous people who are from your background can be. That horrifying situation in Uganda ("kill the gays bill") is an example of the fruits of Evangelical extremism. If we lived in a time without modern communication I wouldn't put it past you to support such insanity as executing (murdering) people for homosexuality.
Search for Youtube videos on my pastor Dr. Charles Stanley, then you will see what kind of "Evangelical" I really am. For the record, true Christians or "evangelicals", as you like to call them, have no desire to kill anyone.
"Yet my beliefs haven't to this date interfered with my cases and it's now been nearly 19 years that I have been practicing Law." They allegedly do not interfere.
"my beliefs haven't to this date interfered with my cases and it's now been nearly 19 years that I have been practicing Law." I seriously question that. I can't believe that your personal beliefs don't find their way into the courtroom and have an influence on your arguments wherein they could interfere with a case at hand in some way. God blesses all people (whether they believe as you do or not) in one way or another, not just you. You're not that special.
Jay's mother was an amazing woman. She was very loving, kind and Christlike. I loved listening to her on Larry King. When you take the approach (MaryWaterton) which you have taken about people who are same sex oriented (gay) you are showing that you really don't understand who gay people are, what they go through, the persecution, torture and even death they have endured for centuries all in the name of religion.
@ Rockymtntruth ... Homosexuality is a filthy manner of lifestyle. God hates it, and those that follow Christ are instructed to hate it. Homosexuality is a choice, just like smoking. I've been told by those who quit smoking that the desire and temptation for a cigarette never entirely goes away, and quitting homosexuality is probably about the same. There are long-term consequences for our choices ... both in this life and the next. You know what they are.
The only filthy person I see here MaryWaterton is YOU. Your stench and the filth of your self-righteousness stinks to high heaven. Also your stupidity and ignorance are extremely apparant!!
Yep they are joy, peace and love. Something that your words and your insanity certainly does not exude. You exude an air of the Pharisee which Jesus had many choice words for. You're the woman who had better seriously look in the mirror at because your self-righteousness, grossness and hellishness is extremely apparent in the kinds of words you convey here.
BTY Mary quite contrary, you might think about how easily you could quit your heterosexual orientation and change it so you would not be attracted to the opposite gender. Let's see how long that would last. Then come back and tell us about how gay people can change their orientation (not just change behavior but actual orientation/attraction) and tell us that it's just like quitting smoking. You're a stupid, ignorant bigot who doesn't know jack squat about reality.
This video shows Maddow's lack of knowledge and the Bakker's lack of being able to properly defend themselves. It must be in the blood. Maddow associated Bakkers with hypocrisy and they were never guilty of that. The reason Falwell, Swaggart and many others hated the Bakkers was b/c they were so open to ALL people. Tammy & Jay didn't just embrace gays for attention, they were always open to people of ALL backgrounds. Bakkers need to learn to defend their honor.
im in agreement with that. I was so happy when jay was first starting out a few years back and then all kinds of things just didnt add up to me in the messages he was preaching. I think hes coming from the line of understanding that Homosexuality is something you were born with or a disease or an extra chromosome. To me its a choice. ive had girlfriends so i chose to do that. I love Jay for being alive i just dont like the theology that he is agreeing with
ViolentSanity - to you homosexual orientation is "a choice" and that's where you are dead wrong and misguided. You need to do the scientific (not based on religious dogma) research that is tough and sometimes disturbing bringing you to question some aspects of your religious belief system. Too many gay people have died (through suicide) trying to change their orientation, hating that innate part of their being. Many Christian sects have created a living hell for gay people.
Perception is such a funny thing sometimes. It's funny how I look at Jay and his lip ring looks like he's got a toothpick in his mouth. Reminds me of my dad. He used to have a toothpick in his mouth quite a lot when he would talk to me. LOL Jay is awesome!
God is a prick. Most of us here on this earth are more moral than god. Even if I believed in god I would never worship a prick like him. Look what he did to his only son, and most of you fucking Christians are for torture. Your all fucking deluded.
/for God so loved the World (you and me) He gave His only Son, so that we could live eternaly. You think it didnt bother God and Jesus to go through what they did? But God rose Jesus up and now we can go to heaven with Him as well, He had to redeem us and we have been bouht by the Blood of Jesus. God loves you, Read John 1 in the Bible, dont beleive a lie. God loves you more that you love your self. He made the ultimate sacrafice for you.
I can see how you would think that way marjatheist especially if you were raised in a rigid Evangelical household. It's insane what some parents teach their children. It would take decades of therapy to get through the crap that they brainwash their kids with. Fortunately there are also many Christian parents who love their children with immense mercy and their love if unconditional. That speaks volumes in a persons life and woos people to a much better, happy place.
I totally disagree with Jay's assessment of the "Religious Right." I think it's based on distortion and propaganda, not the facts and a sound understanding of Scripture.
What do you think? That God is stupid? God made a mistake making people to love each other, no matter what sex they are? God is nothing but love. And gay's are God's way of trying to get you self-righteous "christians" to wake up!
Gay is a distortion of the way God has made us a mockery of creation. It blastphemes God just like murder and disrespect of parents, we should 1st love God with all our heart and that means please him not blastpheme. He loves the gay person, but not the devil living in them twisting up the truth of gender and Gods will in our lives.
I agree with Jay on everything but homosexuality. you gotta take it to the streets, not be a jerk. Jesus ate with people living a sinful life and he didn't judge them. Jesus would love a gay just as much as he would love you. Sure I think it's a sin because it says in the Bible... once. Jesus talked about money more than He did Heaven and Hell combined. Jesus talked about money more than anything else except the Kingdom of God. 11 of 39 parables talk about money.
And people like you and your preaching lead people to extreme guilt, suicidal thoughts and you make people feel like God hates them because they are being themselves. Life is not black and white God gave us minds to be used not to be brainwashed. Forget what some of these people say Jay keep up the good work. Its nice to feel that God still loves me and you helped me get that feeling back thanks man.
aspects of the same personality, we assigned roles of dominance and dominated. You percieve me as such and define me as such. Sort of a compact which I may or may not agree to. This relation of power you can see in the book The twilight of the gods.
There's a god and a lucifer in every one of us. Just paradigms of western thought condensed into one paragon within a pantheon. The paternal authority and the rebel.
Mix and match. perfect for proselytists, frauds and demagogues to abuse of.
Dress the same , act the same, get treated the same
teddy boys and oi mods & suedeheads nonwithstanding
I was talking about from the other POV.
The OTO has nothing to do with the CoE or the temple of set. Although it admires the rituals of Anglicism, Catholicism & Orthodoxy, it's more to do with John Dee & gnosticism than Christianity.
the only other pov is from the people who don't understand anything about skin culture. that's terribly hypocritical concidering you are trying to make an understanding between ideologies in religion.
but seriosly, I was just joking about the red laces and the devil. you made a riduculous comment about religon, and I was making light of it. common, if you going to afront the christians, do it somewhere else. let them belive what they want.
I have nothing to do with Christians or christians posing as Satanists. Neither does Punk Rock. At least worship Elvis. Enough with God's rodeo clowns. Ave Lucifer. Hail abraxas and perun the thunder god
well obviously you want to have something to do with Christians as you are posting within their religous media. Were you trying to scare them into prayer, show them your big macho anti-christ ness?
Honestly what do you get out of satanism? Self glorification? an exponetial ego trip?
what is it that makes you feel good about worhiping the essence of satan, as aposed to the Christian God. Isn't it the same amount of devotion and hypocrocy, just alternate ideology?
Well it's only ideology if it's political as a belef system it's a creed. On the other hand I think of it in a political social sense, so it is an ideology. Liberate yourself from bedtime stories. There is no god, there is no satan. All are just symbols representing psychological tendencies in man and are approximations of the chaotic forces of nature that surround us. Dress a conman in piercings and it's still a con man.
please, don't disolution yourself by provoking me as a Marytar for Christ. I fully acknowlage the lack of any sprititual diety in our realtiy. So why, as I suppose I direct this as a question to spiritual satism rather than to just yourself. Even bother with lucifer as an ideal, if not an idol? if you're characterising religion as a psychological tendancy of man transposed unto a higher being why follow through with that on satanism. isn't Lucifer just a man, who through his selfish ways found
a higher truth, above that of "Gods?" mean you have the privilage of self worship, but isn't it just mirrored by some revolutionary figure head?
the problem with ideologies is that regardless of political or religious tendancies they are still highly condtradicory of reality. So we all end up to be hypocritical, and un gratifiing. My thoughts, why bother confrunting any of the lies? we are all lied too, so why are our disolutions any better than the christians, or the muslims? moot.
agreeing with Gods Word Rom 1 does not mean judgemental, your disobedience does not change what God says and I am sorry you and i and all of us will have to one day stand before God and give an account of all disobedience, jay what will your excuse then be to God? would God have in His Word what He does not mean? either we believe His Word or you would have to admit, you just dont accept Gods Word as truth, therefore then why preach
Transparency is great - but we can't be afraid to deal with our own sins & get past them thru the arduous task of restoration - see the Bible, in the book of James.
yes what a messed up world!! its NOT christianity but the lukewarm church...
diewahrheitistnochda 8 months ago
What a messed up world...
aristotlead 9 months ago
Sad to say, you are starting a revolution. Think about it, when has a tornado caused peace? When did a hurricane cause people to smile? What Father smiles when his wayward son takes a gun and kills his mother? Look at what Martin Luther did, he started a revolution. The same with Calvin. The French Revolution was horrible. All these things are catastrophes, and you Jay are starting a Catastrophe, and your Church will not stand sad to say. But I pray for your soul...
aristotlead 9 months ago
Look in the Bible, what does it say in Matthew 16:18? "Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." Notice, Christ does not say "Churches" but Church. The Church has not corrupted the world, Christ came to preach the truth. You need to hear the voice of the one true Church and heed the words of her.
Your Church is not a Church. It's called a group of individuals, coming together to pray. But it's not a Church.
aristotlead 9 months ago
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TJae1 11 months ago
You are transparent Jay. You have obviously not hidden the Word of God in your heart that you might not sin against God. Nothing you say leads anyone to God neither is the Word of God on your lips, so anyone who follows you is going nowhere.
MegaSage007 1 year ago
@MegaSage007 It must be a wonderful world you live in where God gives you authority to sit in judgement. He can take a break cause you are sitting in judgement. AMAZING!
Desertsun17 1 year ago
@MegaSage007 wow, you are the reason that people are leaving the church. Thanks, keep up the good work, you're God must be proud of you. You're nothing but a judgemental hypocrite. I hope you can find love for all in your heart before you meet your maker.
rrsrichard 1 year ago
@rrsrichard dude i go to church god loves everyone equal no matter wat u do. the bad stuff that happen that people do is the devil seeing if they can trust god or not.
12proster 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Maybe that's how you see it, but that's not how the Moral Majority sees it, sorry, and you are espousing similar views.
I'm equating you with a group of extremists because you hold extreme views. If you were to go around saying you think black people are bad, I'd equate you with the people on Stormfront. Sorry, that's just the way this works.
The majority does oppose homosexuality, but the majority is also pretty dumb and bigoted. Luckily we aren't a democracy.
01234V43210 1 year ago
Oh, and stop pretending that the founding fathers were all born again christians and that they held your retarded ideals in high esteem. That's plainly horseshit.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 First off, I never once said anyone was a born-again Christian. Secondly, I'm not pretending anything. It's common knowledge that the founding fathers were either Christians or deists. The point, is that I believe that due to their personal faith, it never entered their minds that this would ever be an issue.
They did hold my ideals in high esteem, which is evidenced by their inclusion of God in the founding document which started this great nation. That's "plainly" truth.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Do you know what a deist is? It's likely Deists wouldn't give a shit about homosexuality based on their spiritual ideas. Their values and your values pretty much end at the acknowledgment of the existence of god. Don't pretend that puts them squarely on your side.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 Yes, I do know what a deist is. No offense, but do you have a reading comprehension problem? I never once said they would "give a shit" about it. I said due to their Christian faith and/or faith in God, it most likely never entered their minds that homosexuality would ever be an issue that would later need to be dealt with. Even now, 200+ years later, it is not accepted by a majority of the population. So, it's not that much of a stretch to think they felt the same way back then.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Hahaha, your dumb yokel ass is asking me if I have a reading comprehension problem. I'd like to see some numbers to back up your claim that a majority of people are that uptight about what other people do with their genitals. I'd also like to see that correlated with level of education, just for kicks. Oh hey, here's something cool: look up "gay rights by country" in wikipedia and look at all those cool places in red, then realize that people like you are responsible for Uganda :)
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 Yes, I did ask you that, but only because you seem to not comprehend what I'm saying. According to a recent Gallup poll, 57 percent of Americans do not believe that same sex marriages should be recognized by the law as valid with the same rights as a traditional marriage. Look it up if you doubt me. Educational level has nothing to do with one's adherence to scriptural teaching. For the record, to be on staff at my church, a college degree is a requirement, except for custodians
Whitese7en 1 year ago
Equating people like me with the rebels in Uganda, is akin to equating all Germans with the Nazi's. You're grasping at straws.here and I think you know it.
This is how I treat people.
Matt 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Of all the Christians I know, not one of them has ever expressed a desire to kill anyone. Just sayin.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Regardless, in this country, we protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.
The more educated a person is, the less likely he is to believe in god.
And no, I'm not equating you with the rebels in Uganda, you idiot. I'm saying you're a christian extremist in the US, and that the US missionaries who went there and convinced them to make being a homosexual punishable by death are part of your Moral Majority sect. Continuing to identify with them is kind of fucked up.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 Well, at this time, the "majority" oppose same sex marriages. Sorry, that is just a fact that you will have to accept.
I'm not an extremist either, I'm just a Christian. I don't identify with them. Where did you get the idea that I identified with them? I couldn't give a rip whether someone is gay, that's their business. Nor do I want to make homosexuality against the law, never have and never will.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@01234V43210 It's not the government's business what goes on in the bedrooms of consenting adults. I do however vote for candidates whose values resemble my own, but that doesn't make someone an extremist. Nor will I apologize for that.
I do however as always, thank you for your opinions.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@01234V43210 You are equating me, based solely on the fact that I am a Christian, with a group of Missionaries who are clearly not Christian because they are still living under the Law.of Moses. Christians don't live under the law of Moses, because they have been set free from the law of Moses. Just because someone claims to be "Christian", that alone, doesn't necessarily mean they are "Christian".
Capiche
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@01234V43210 Personally, I don't know of one Christian who has even the remotest desire to make homosexuality punishable by death. In fact, I don't know of one Christian who even has a desire to make homosexuality illegal. WE DON'T CARE WHO PEOPLE SLEEP WITH AS LONG AS BOTH OR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED ARE CONSENTING ADULTS. Is that clear enough for you?
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@01234V43210 You ever wonder why christianity has so many denominations? Nobody really knows about the "true" definition of this religion. It's a ideology that evolves with time. To me the "message" is common sense. Peace.
almanzaalex 1 year ago
@almanzaalex If no one knows the "true" definition of the religion, then it's meaningless, you fucking moron. The religion DOES have a definition. The single requirement is that you believe in salvation through jesus; everything else defines denomination. Of course the ideology evolves with time. Reread what I fucking said.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 Christian's jumping on the PUNK ROCK band wagon! LOL Where were you in the late seventies or early eighties, before GREEN DAY? Christianity and PUNK ROCK or even ROCK is an OXYMORON. MORON.
almanzaalex 1 year ago
@almanzaalex I'm glad that you know the only real definition of Christianity (something that apparently isn't just a "follower of Christ"), and that you alone stand up against the multitudes of people trying to personalize their religion. Great.
01234V43210 1 year ago
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almanzaalex 1 year ago
I think when Bible says don't judge does not means you can't distinguish between good and band. This is not christian, looks good but no.
sipi41 1 year ago
@sipi41 so you prefer his con artist parents? great.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@sipi41 Amen!! God bless you friend. There is NOTHING Christian about this man's false message.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
And here I thought PUNK ROCK was atheistic. Oh well, see how things EVOLVE!!
almanzaalex 1 year ago
@almanzaalex Holy shit you're dumb.
01234V43210 1 year ago
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MolkoxLewd 1 year ago
Jay is probably one of the very few "true" christians out there. I am what I would call a former christian and if I were to ever return it would be because of a guy like him.
josesbox 2 years ago
Right on josesbox!!
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Jay, I've thought about you and your sister over the years and my heart went out to you and your family. You're appearance is little bizarre for my taste, but I'm sure you're reaching a lot of people with God's love. BTW, is that a toothpick or a piercing? Just wondering. I was so focused on that, that I caught myself not paying attention sometimes to what you were saying. I don't mean any offense by any means. Now that you've got my attention, I'll look up some more about you. Blessings!
janetcoverdale 2 years ago 2
Jay Baker isn't being rejected because his parents (who were never really all that evil my eyes). Jay is being rejected because of his endorsements of homosexuality and "gay marriage". These things are clearly, clearly, clearly prohibited by God in both the Old and New Testaments. "Love thy neighbor" does not mean helping neighbor sin.
MaryWaterton 2 years ago
Amen Mary!! You speak truth my friend.
Whitese7en 2 years ago
Spoken by the great Pharisaical Legalist graduate of Duke University. For someone who has studied law you certainly don't care about the civil rights of LGBT people. You sound more like a graduate of Jerry Fallwell's religious law school than you do a graduate of Duke. If you were wise and a professional you would be far more prone to look at the facts and the evidence supporting same sex marriage like David Boies is using in the Perry v. Schwarzenegger case.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
LOL!! Everyone who knows me would laugh their head off at anyone calling me a legalist. Believe me, I am anything but that.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
What have I said that leads you to the conclusion that I don't care about the civil rights of LGBT people or anyone, for that matter?
Sorry, but when it comes to spiritual matters, I defer exclusively to the Bible, which contains all the evidence that is needed to determine what God's Law is concerning same sex marriage. God made no provision for same sex marriage and absolutely condemned homosexuality in both testaments of the holy scriptures.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
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"Sorry, but when it comes to spiritual matters, I defer exclusively to the Bible, which contains all the evidence that is needed to determine what God's Law is concerning same sex marriage. God made no provision for same sex marriage and absolutely condemned homosexuality in both testaments of the holy scriptures." Yeah you're sorry alright. These are yet again YOUR OPINION & INTERPRETATION.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Yes in that vain they'd probably be shocked at what you write on this Jay Bakker channel then.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Oh no my lost friend, they would not be surprised at all. In fact, I have a few friends who follow my writings, here on Youtube and on other websites.
The reason they wouldn't be surprised, is because everything that I write, is scriptural truth and that my lost friend, is how I also live my life. Just because one is true to the scriptures, it doesn't make one a "legalist". Jesus too was true to the scriptures, and He certainly wasn't a "legalist".
Whitese7en 1 year ago
"Oh no my lost friend..." When you continue to say that everything that you write is "scriptural truth" you are being very Pharisaical. It is YOUR OPINION and YOUR INTERPRETATION and you continue to judge others like the typical lost Pharisee that you are! You're a classic bigot who is the one who is lost. Your Self-righteousness stinks to high heaven. True Jesus wasn't a legalist. His teachings were about as far away from your self-righteous b.s. as the sun is from pluto.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Your a typical Talibangelical fascist who thinks he is doing God a service and in your smug self-righteousness you think you are very loving, kind person all the while you wield a sharp judgmental bowie knife behind your self-righteous back. What a phony you are!
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Homosexuality is your god, because that is what prevents you from worshipping the true God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Sorry bud, but you can't have it both ways. You can't claim to be a Christian and claim to serve the Lord Jesus Christ, l while at the same time denigrating His name and the Bible because it disagrees with your sinful flesh. And, yes, you denigrate His name when you make futile attempts to denigrate
Whitese7en 1 year ago
His Word. God's Word will forever stand my lost friend, regardless of what lying heretics like Jay Bakker tell you. Long after your dead and your spirit is sent to Hell, God's Word will remain intact.
1st Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1st Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
Enjoy this life and get out of it all that you can get, because it will be the last thing you will ever enjoy again for eternity.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
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"Enjoy this life and get out of it all that you can get, because it will be the last thing you will ever enjoy again for eternity." Thank you GOD. Thanks for your judgments (NOT!!) and I appreciate the fact that you know all things and can make such judgments. Whitese7en you're revealing your true colors the more you post here. You're showing how you totally get a rush out of judging people with your own self-righteous interpretation of the Bible.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
"His Word. God's Word will forever stand my lost friend, regardless of what lying heretics like Jay Bakker tell you. Long after your dead and your spirit is sent to Hell, God's Word will remain intact." There you go again acting like you are God. Thinking that you know God's will for another person's life when you don't. U can take your self-righteous, judgments and shove them up your tight, condescending, holier than thou ass!
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
I do know God's will for those who reject Him. It's found right there in the scriptures.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
LMAO - "Homosexuality is your god, because that is what prevents you from worshipping the true God, the Lord Jesus Christ." Spoken yet again by a self-righteous arrogant pharisaical ass who thinks he knows it all.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Read the Bible my lost friend. You'll see that everything I've said, is backed up by the Bible.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
Whitese7en you denigrate His name everytime you post here with your self-righteous, know it all, Pharisaical judgments. Obviously you don't understand what it means to be a follower of Christ as you act like a Pharisee. You continue to spout off like you know all things like God yet you don't. You continue to preach like you know all of the answers about this issue but you don't. You live in a fantasy world. You probably believe that Dinosaurs and humans walked on the earth at the same time
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
I haven't denigrated His name once.
I definitely don't know all things, nor have I once said that I do. All the answers to who God is and what He desires for His followers, are contained in His Word. Anyone, who takes the time to learn about Him through the study of His word, can know those answers too.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
"His word huh?" Which word? Which manuscript? Which one is the "word?" To say I have a distain for these things is about as stupid and ignorant a statement to make but it typically comes from a dipshit like you.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
LOL!! Everytime you post my lost friend, your disdain for scriptural truth, is palpable. You mock it and laugh in the face of it, everytime it is presented, simply because it conflicts with your flesh. I know without a shadow of a doubt, that if it agreed with your flesh, you wouldn't mock it, nor would you mock those who presented it.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
It is merely because it is so disagreeable with your flesh, that you attack those who dare to proclaim it. My lost friend, that is the very nature of God's Word. It is irritating to those who hear it and do not know the only one who has the authority to forgive sins (1Cor 1:18).
You say "which manuscript?" So, please show me a version of the Bible that doesn't condemn homosexuality as sin.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
You show me the most ancient manuscripts and prove to the jury here that these specific books (i.e. Corinthians and Romans) were condemning same gender orientation and love. Prove to the jury here from the most ancient manuscripts (the most original possible) you can find that Paul was specifically preaching about homosexual oriented persons as we know and understand them today. Prove it there smarty pants. Prove it.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
There's nothing to prove, my lost friend, it's right there in the Bible.
I have said numerous times, that some of the verses used to condemn homosexuality, are not dependent upon the use of the word homosexuality. There is no question, that what Paul is referring to in Romans 1:27, is clearly men having sexual intercourse with other men.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men
working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
It doesn't say the man leaving the natural use of the woman in the original Greek. You don't even know the original ancient Greek so don't play the KJV game with me. To be honest to even use the "natural use" makes it sound like women are there to be used by men. That tells me that whomever translated that was steeped in sexism. It appears that Paul had a few problems with sexism by the way.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
So what is the error that they received in themselves? Do you even know the history about what Paul saw including the horrifying self-mutilation that some of the priests who worshipped a goddess. You don't care about the history and reality surrounding Paul's world. All you care about is your own anachronistic modern interpretation. You wouldn't think to ever even question your dogma for one second because it might cause you to fall off your self-righteous pedestal.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
To be perfectly honest Whitese7en if you had lived during the days of Jesus you would likely have been one of those Pharisaical people screaming "Crucify him, crucify him." That's the kind of jerk yo have proven yourself to be on YouTube.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
@Whitese7en The Bible condemns all kinds of other harmless shit that no one cares about, but you feel the need to restrict others' basic rights because you're a brainwashed bigot. Super.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 I'm not restricting anyone from doing anything. I am merely proclaiming the truth of God's Word, but I do thank you for your opinion.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en If you vote for political candidates who oppose gay marriage or who are for the integration of church and state, you are taking a direct part in the restriction of other peoples' basic civil rights, sorry. It's also great to know that you don't have opinions, you have the very voice of your god speaking through you. It's great to know someone omnipotent by proxy like you, maybe you can use your magic god proclamations to get a parking ticket taken care of for me.
01234V43210 1 year ago
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Whitese7en 1 year ago
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@01234V43210 No I'm not, because there is no Constitutional or "civil right" to marry. It is impossible for me to restrict or deny a right which doesn't even exist. When I vote for and financially support anti-same sex marriage candidates, I am doing nothing more than exercising my right to vote for the candidate of my choosing, which denies no one their "basic civil rights". Nice try though.
As always, I thank you for your opinion.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Yeah, and women shouldn't be able to vote, either. Those people who opposed it were just exercising their right to vote for the same sort of bigoted asshole candidates that you are now, you braindead religious fanatic. "I thank you for your opinion." Haha, you must have an IQ below 90.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 Just because I vote for conservative candidates who campaign to protect the traditional definition of marriage, that doesn't mean that I think women shouldn't have a right to vote. There's nothing immoral about a woman voting. On another note, resorting to personal attacks, does nothing to strengthen your position.
As always, thank you for your opinion.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en I'm not trying to strengthen my position, simply because I don't need to. You're a bigot. You don't want gay people to have the same basic rights that you do. Your religion is pretty evil.
"As always, thanks for your opinion." ahahah what a moron
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 Was Christ a bigot? The reason I ask, is because my position is the same position that Christ held. He too recognized that marriage was only to be between one man and one woman period. There were no other provisions given for marriage in scripture. Christ recognized and held to this scriptural truth as do I. Marriage in any form, other than 1 man and 1 woman being married to each other exclusively, is forbidden by scripture. I don't make up the rules, I just abide by them.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Are you kidding me? When did Jesus ever once explicitly comment on homosexuality? Jesus didn't always hold the same views as some of the other people in the Bible, and in fact he contradicted a lot of old edicts. If he didn't comment on something, that's not necessarily tacit approval. Also, it doesn't matter whether or not Jesus was a bigot; thinking that homosexuals don't deserve the right to marry is bigotry. Y'all seem fine with a lot of other sins, anyway. Faith is a choice.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 I never said He did comment on homosexuality. He did however comment on marriage and who it is reserved for(Mark 10:6-9). Actually, homosexuals don't have a right to marry, as no one has a right to marry. Again, it's not a civil right that is recognized in this country through our Constitution. There is no right to marry period. Thinking homosexuals don't have a right to marry, is correct, because they don't have a right to marry, according to our Constitution. Sin is a choice too
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en They're not legally entitled to marriage like you are. Just because it isn't outlined in the constitution doesn't mean it isn't a right. Stop fucking around with semantics like you're actually saying something and focus on what's actually being said. Just because they don't currently have those rights constitutionally doesn't mean that they shouldn't. Mark 10 says nothing about whether or not homosexuality is wrong. Try again. "Sin is a choice" -- hah. You're utterly filled with hate
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 That's my point, I'm not "legally entitled" to marriage anymore than a homosexual is. No one is "legally entitled", because it's not a civil right that was ever granted to anyone. It's not about "semantics", it's about the law. For whatever reason, the forefathers chose to not address the issue of marriage as a right guaranteed under the Constitution. That is most likely because of their Christian heritage; they didn't foresee this ever being an issue.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
We're not talking about whether they should or shouldn't have the right (at least I'm not) we're talking about whether they do or ever did have the right. You've accused me of denying someone a right which according to the laws of this country, has never been granted. As I said before, Mark 10:6-9 addresses marriage and who it is exclusively reserved for (men & women who marry each other) according to God Himself.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
It doesn't take a rocket scientist or even a college degree to connect those dots. If it is reserved for men & women exclusively who marry each other, then there is no provision for same sex marriage. My point in saying "sin is a choice", is that regardless of whether or not homosexuality is a choice, sin very much is a choice. Who have I once said I hate?
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en What do you mean by "sin is a choice" if you don't mean "homosexuality is a choice?" I'm going to throw "in this context" in there because I know you have trouble staying in the lines. I'm not arguing about whether or not they do or did have the right - they don't. Stop playing word games. You don't believe that homosexuals deserve to marry. You vote for people who continue to keep them from having those rights. Your choice of religion is pretty fucked up.
01234V43210 1 year ago
One can have same sex attraction or homosexual desires, but still choose not to sin. Same sex attraction, in and of itself, isn't sinful. It's how one responds to those feelings/desires that leads to or doesn't lead to sin. No one can force us to sin, we must choose to. That's what I mean by sin is a choice.
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Whitese7en 1 year ago
I have no trouble "staying in the lines" but I do have a problem with people speaking dishonestly. It's not "word games", it's truth and I thank you for finally acknowledging the truth of where I speak.
Yes, as a born-again Christian, I unapologetically vote for candidates whose platforms include protecting the sacredness of marriage. As always, thank you for your opinion.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Yeah, don't have sex because I say it's wrong. Don't fall in love, because I say it's wrong. Because my insane bronze-age religion says it's wrong. Because my political candidates use it to galvanize me, while they're caught sucking dick.
I wasn't even arguing whatever kind of horseshit you thought we were arguing about, you fucking moron. If you couldn't deduce that, you're pretty much stupid. And what sort of marriage is sacred to you? Christian marriage? Voodoo marriage?
01234V43210 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Christianity doesn't have any right to deny anyone anything in this country, period. The first amendment exists to protect us from retarded religions like yours and many others. Oh, and don't thank my for my opinion when you're obviously unable to consider anything that isn't handed down to you as dogma. This isn't a debate, this is the internet, and we're shitting on each other.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@Whitese7en Also, "tradition" doesn't equate with "good." In fact, it can often equate with evil. I hope you understand this. If you don't, you're sorely undereducated.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 In this case, it is equated with holiness and righteousness, which is definitely "good".
Whitese7en 1 year ago
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@Whitese7en oh wait, is your name whitese7en because you hate black people? I just got that.
01234V43210 1 year ago
LMAO!!!! "Everytime you post my lost friend, your disdain for scriptural truth, is palpable. You mock it and laugh in the face of it, everytime it is presented, simply because it conflicts with your flesh." Nope I mock you (including your self-righteous, legalistic interpretation) and laugh at you because you're such a hypocritical joke. You go on and on judging people. I've read what other Christians have written about you and even those who are conservative think you are a Pharisee.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Just because someone professes to be a Christian(such as yourself) it doesn't necessarily mean they are a Christian.
Here's a hint, when they deny scriptural truth, will not endure sound doctrine, or receive godly correction, they aren't Christian(again, just like yourself).
Whitese7en 1 year ago
I see you never mention those many godly believers who are in agreement with me, why not? Oh, I remember now, it's because they're all Pharisees, right??
So that's how it is with you. Anyone who dares to align themselves with little ole me, are all self-righteous Pharisees. Why then, do all of our points of view, agree with the scriptures, while yours, Jacksonhole's and the lying heretic Jay Bakker's, don't agree with scripture. Please explain that to me. I eagerly await your response.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
"I see you never mention those many godly believers who are in agreement with me, why not? Oh, I remember now, it's because they're all Pharisees, right?? " WRONG! People can agree with you on certain issues but it is how they use their belief that makes all the difference. There are many Christians who agree with you on many of these issues. There is one of them who is far more of a Christian than you are or ever could imagine being. He posted on another site correcting you.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
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"Here's a hint, when they deny scriptural truth, will not endure sound doctrine, or receive godly correction, they aren't Christian(again, just like yourself)." Take a little bit of your own medicine mr. god.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Whitese7en - You likely would not be able to keep your religious dogma out of the courtroom. Theodore Olson and David Boies would mop the floor with you and then nail you to the wall as you would not have a leg to stand on.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Actually, my beliefs are personal to me and have no place in a courtroom.
I have however turned down some cases due to my beliefs, but, once I take a case, my beliefs are irrelevant to the case that I will argue on behalf of my client.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
Yes your beliefs are personal and they are incredibly bigoted and would obviously interfere with certain cases.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Yet my beliefs haven't to this date interfered with my cases and it's now been nearly 19 years that I have been practicing Law. And, for that entire time, I've been a born-again believer who daily holds to the truth of the scripture and because of this commitment to truth, God has blessed me beyond measure.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
My lost friend, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. And one day, when you stand before God and are asked to give an account of your life, Jesus will not be there to plead your before the Father, He will be there to judge you. Because you don't know Him, the judgment will be severe and swift.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
My lost Pharisee as usual you yourself don't have any Idea what you're talking about. You're such an implacable, religious zealot. To make such sweeping Pharisaical judgments about me regarding God is not only judgmental but shows what a self-righteous creep you are. Whites7en the kinds of judgment you just wrote up here shows what a tyrannical, self-righteous ass you are. You're the one who doesn't know God. Boy it must be extra special being God's pet Pharisee.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Oops, make that Jesus will not be there to plead your case before the Father......
If you disagree with this my lost friend, as I'm sure you do, you disagree with scripture.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
"Oops" is right. You just never give up with your judgments "If you disagree with this my lost friend, as I'm sure you do, you disagree with scripture." I don't need a jackass who thinks he is God quoting scripture to me thank you very much. I can read 1st Peter for myself very well without a zealous religious addict like you interpreting it for me thank you very much!
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
I don't think I am God at all. I am merely a follower of Christ, nothing more and prayerfully nothing less.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
You're such a childish biblical literalist that you likely believe that humans had to watch out for tyrannosaurus rex and that the earth was created in 7 - 24 hour days. You probably believe that God instantaneously created Adam out of dirt and then put him to sleep and took out his rib and created Eve out of it like magic. You know what I meant by magic. You don't have to go on some diatribe about magic being evil or voodoo, etc. You know damn good and well what I was talking about.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Yes, I believe God has the power to create all of Creation in a mere 7 days. Actually, I believe He has the power to create in an instant. Why He decided to space it out over a 7 day period, I have no idea. Nor, is it even important to me.
Also yes, I believe the creation story as it is written.
You said "magic", so to me, that meant "magic", which is from Satan. No, I did not know what you meant. You are lost, so you could have meant anything.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
LOL - Magic to me means "supernatural". That's the connotation it has in modern times. Just because it meant something different a long time ago does not mean it carries the same connotation today. "you are lost so you could have meant anything." Hey anyone who disagrees with your dogmatic views is lost. That's just your M.O.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
It's not that you disagree with me, that reveals you to be lost, it's that you disagree with and have a disdain for scriptural truth.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
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"It's not that you disagree with me, that reveals you to be lost, it's that you disagree with and have a disdain for scriptural truth." said the great Pharisee.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
The types of Evangelicals like Whitese7en are just a resurrection of the religious crusaders of the past who deluged the old world in blood over religious issues. That's how dangerous people who are from your background can be. That horrifying situation in Uganda ("kill the gays bill") is an example of the fruits of Evangelical extremism. If we lived in a time without modern communication I wouldn't put it past you to support such insanity as executing (murdering) people for homosexuality.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Search for Youtube videos on my pastor Dr. Charles Stanley, then you will see what kind of "Evangelical" I really am. For the record, true Christians or "evangelicals", as you like to call them, have no desire to kill anyone.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
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"Yet my beliefs haven't to this date interfered with my cases and it's now been nearly 19 years that I have been practicing Law." They allegedly do not interfere.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
"my beliefs haven't to this date interfered with my cases and it's now been nearly 19 years that I have been practicing Law." I seriously question that. I can't believe that your personal beliefs don't find their way into the courtroom and have an influence on your arguments wherein they could interfere with a case at hand in some way. God blesses all people (whether they believe as you do or not) in one way or another, not just you. You're not that special.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Question it all you like, but I don't take cases that compromise my beliefs.
Whitese7en 1 year ago
Jay's mother was an amazing woman. She was very loving, kind and Christlike. I loved listening to her on Larry King. When you take the approach (MaryWaterton) which you have taken about people who are same sex oriented (gay) you are showing that you really don't understand who gay people are, what they go through, the persecution, torture and even death they have endured for centuries all in the name of religion.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
@ Rockymtntruth ... Homosexuality is a filthy manner of lifestyle. God hates it, and those that follow Christ are instructed to hate it. Homosexuality is a choice, just like smoking. I've been told by those who quit smoking that the desire and temptation for a cigarette never entirely goes away, and quitting homosexuality is probably about the same. There are long-term consequences for our choices ... both in this life and the next. You know what they are.
MaryWaterton 1 year ago
The only filthy person I see here MaryWaterton is YOU. Your stench and the filth of your self-righteousness stinks to high heaven. Also your stupidity and ignorance are extremely apparant!!
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Yep they are joy, peace and love. Something that your words and your insanity certainly does not exude. You exude an air of the Pharisee which Jesus had many choice words for. You're the woman who had better seriously look in the mirror at because your self-righteousness, grossness and hellishness is extremely apparent in the kinds of words you convey here.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
BTY Mary quite contrary, you might think about how easily you could quit your heterosexual orientation and change it so you would not be attracted to the opposite gender. Let's see how long that would last. Then come back and tell us about how gay people can change their orientation (not just change behavior but actual orientation/attraction) and tell us that it's just like quitting smoking. You're a stupid, ignorant bigot who doesn't know jack squat about reality.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
This video shows Maddow's lack of knowledge and the Bakker's lack of being able to properly defend themselves. It must be in the blood. Maddow associated Bakkers with hypocrisy and they were never guilty of that. The reason Falwell, Swaggart and many others hated the Bakkers was b/c they were so open to ALL people. Tammy & Jay didn't just embrace gays for attention, they were always open to people of ALL backgrounds. Bakkers need to learn to defend their honor.
Balthazaro 2 years ago
im in agreement with that. I was so happy when jay was first starting out a few years back and then all kinds of things just didnt add up to me in the messages he was preaching. I think hes coming from the line of understanding that Homosexuality is something you were born with or a disease or an extra chromosome. To me its a choice. ive had girlfriends so i chose to do that. I love Jay for being alive i just dont like the theology that he is agreeing with
ViolentSanity 2 years ago
ViolentSanity - to you homosexual orientation is "a choice" and that's where you are dead wrong and misguided. You need to do the scientific (not based on religious dogma) research that is tough and sometimes disturbing bringing you to question some aspects of your religious belief system. Too many gay people have died (through suicide) trying to change their orientation, hating that innate part of their being. Many Christian sects have created a living hell for gay people.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
Perception is such a funny thing sometimes. It's funny how I look at Jay and his lip ring looks like he's got a toothpick in his mouth. Reminds me of my dad. He used to have a toothpick in his mouth quite a lot when he would talk to me. LOL Jay is awesome!
Jacksonholenativ 2 years ago
Wow. I love Rachel Maddow, but she's kinda mean to Jay. Like, that's his parents she's talking about!
aideenj 2 years ago
but shes right and he knows it and he doesnt like to beat around the bush most of the time.
ViolentSanity 2 years ago
God is a prick. Most of us here on this earth are more moral than god. Even if I believed in god I would never worship a prick like him. Look what he did to his only son, and most of you fucking Christians are for torture. Your all fucking deluded.
marjatheist 2 years ago
/for God so loved the World (you and me) He gave His only Son, so that we could live eternaly. You think it didnt bother God and Jesus to go through what they did? But God rose Jesus up and now we can go to heaven with Him as well, He had to redeem us and we have been bouht by the Blood of Jesus. God loves you, Read John 1 in the Bible, dont beleive a lie. God loves you more that you love your self. He made the ultimate sacrafice for you.
kaitapataita 2 years ago
I can see how you would think that way marjatheist especially if you were raised in a rigid Evangelical household. It's insane what some parents teach their children. It would take decades of therapy to get through the crap that they brainwash their kids with. Fortunately there are also many Christian parents who love their children with immense mercy and their love if unconditional. That speaks volumes in a persons life and woos people to a much better, happy place.
Rockymtntruth 1 year ago
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Whitese7en 1 year ago
I totally disagree with Jay's assessment of the "Religious Right." I think it's based on distortion and propaganda, not the facts and a sound understanding of Scripture.
CRoadwarrior 2 years ago
Cool.
sockpuppetsfromhell 3 years ago
If I were going to go to a church - it would be a church like Jays! U go Jay!
rextrek 3 years ago
Man this is so true, your right man everyone is is blind to the truth now
paxro 3 years ago
What do you think? That God is stupid? God made a mistake making people to love each other, no matter what sex they are? God is nothing but love. And gay's are God's way of trying to get you self-righteous "christians" to wake up!
usemenmyname 3 years ago
Gay is a distortion of the way God has made us a mockery of creation. It blastphemes God just like murder and disrespect of parents, we should 1st love God with all our heart and that means please him not blastpheme. He loves the gay person, but not the devil living in them twisting up the truth of gender and Gods will in our lives.
kaitapataita 2 years ago
Many trollers are called, but few R chosen...
TJae1 3 years ago
lol
shannasmusic 3 years ago
One of the few real Christians out there. Thank you for not being an asshole like other Christians.
froggyola 3 years ago 2
like, in what way?
TJae1 3 years ago
Why? Because he justifies sin? This guy is dangerous and is leading people away from God.
1776iscoming 2 years ago
I agree with Jay on everything but homosexuality. you gotta take it to the streets, not be a jerk. Jesus ate with people living a sinful life and he didn't judge them. Jesus would love a gay just as much as he would love you. Sure I think it's a sin because it says in the Bible... once. Jesus talked about money more than He did Heaven and Hell combined. Jesus talked about money more than anything else except the Kingdom of God. 11 of 39 parables talk about money.
pyromaniac922 2 years ago
And people like you and your preaching lead people to extreme guilt, suicidal thoughts and you make people feel like God hates them because they are being themselves. Life is not black and white God gave us minds to be used not to be brainwashed. Forget what some of these people say Jay keep up the good work. Its nice to feel that God still loves me and you helped me get that feeling back thanks man.
clockout4343 2 years ago
An interesting point of view. Wrong, but interesting.
DFWDan 2 years ago
like father like son
justindonaldberry 3 years ago
all right stop the debate for a second, anyone know the theme song to this show.
tubbygraham 3 years ago
1 MEXICAN LOVES YOU JAY
BLESS
absland 3 years ago
aspects of the same personality, we assigned roles of dominance and dominated. You percieve me as such and define me as such. Sort of a compact which I may or may not agree to. This relation of power you can see in the book The twilight of the gods.
ThomasJeromeNewton 3 years ago
so If I read it, I will seemingly understand why you're so elusive about ideologies.
hmmm
instantcrazy 3 years ago
creed, religion or time share scheme
ThomasJeromeNewton 3 years ago
There's a god and a lucifer in every one of us. Just paradigms of western thought condensed into one paragon within a pantheon. The paternal authority and the rebel.
Mix and match. perfect for proselytists, frauds and demagogues to abuse of.
ThomasJeromeNewton 3 years ago
and that is why you're a sadist?
instantcrazy 3 years ago
Hail Satan
Hail Crowley
Hail Kenneth Anger
You are lied to
ThomasJeromeNewton 3 years ago
bahaha,
comon now your now contributing to the idea that all "altnative" and "undrground" groups are secretly members of the Church of Satan.
(you can't let them now that docs with red laces mean we worship the devil...)
hahahahaha!
instantcrazy 3 years ago
worse, means a happy neonazi
something you don't want
and crowley and kenneth anger have nothing to do with anton la vey
liberis in Satan
ThomasJeromeNewton 3 years ago
sarcasm fellow.
lace color doesn't mean anything. I wear white, but I don't like to go out and curbstomp and get blood spatterd on them.
sides, le vay claims he had nothing to do with crowley, but where do you think he got his ideas for the church?
ps,i don't want you confusing skinhead culture with boneheads.
instantcrazy 3 years ago
Dress the same , act the same, get treated the same
teddy boys and oi mods & suedeheads nonwithstanding
I was talking about from the other POV.
The OTO has nothing to do with the CoE or the temple of set. Although it admires the rituals of Anglicism, Catholicism & Orthodoxy, it's more to do with John Dee & gnosticism than Christianity.
DO what thou wilt
ThomasJeromeNewton 3 years ago
the only other pov is from the people who don't understand anything about skin culture. that's terribly hypocritical concidering you are trying to make an understanding between ideologies in religion.
but seriosly, I was just joking about the red laces and the devil. you made a riduculous comment about religon, and I was making light of it. common, if you going to afront the christians, do it somewhere else. let them belive what they want.
instantcrazy 3 years ago
I have nothing to do with Christians or christians posing as Satanists. Neither does Punk Rock. At least worship Elvis. Enough with God's rodeo clowns. Ave Lucifer. Hail abraxas and perun the thunder god
ThomasJeromeNewton 3 years ago
well obviously you want to have something to do with Christians as you are posting within their religous media. Were you trying to scare them into prayer, show them your big macho anti-christ ness?
Honestly what do you get out of satanism? Self glorification? an exponetial ego trip?
what is it that makes you feel good about worhiping the essence of satan, as aposed to the Christian God. Isn't it the same amount of devotion and hypocrocy, just alternate ideology?
instantcrazy 3 years ago
Well it's only ideology if it's political as a belef system it's a creed. On the other hand I think of it in a political social sense, so it is an ideology. Liberate yourself from bedtime stories. There is no god, there is no satan. All are just symbols representing psychological tendencies in man and are approximations of the chaotic forces of nature that surround us. Dress a conman in piercings and it's still a con man.
ThomasJeromeNewton 3 years ago
please, don't disolution yourself by provoking me as a Marytar for Christ. I fully acknowlage the lack of any sprititual diety in our realtiy. So why, as I suppose I direct this as a question to spiritual satism rather than to just yourself. Even bother with lucifer as an ideal, if not an idol? if you're characterising religion as a psychological tendancy of man transposed unto a higher being why follow through with that on satanism. isn't Lucifer just a man, who through his selfish ways found
instantcrazy 3 years ago
(prt.2)
a higher truth, above that of "Gods?" mean you have the privilage of self worship, but isn't it just mirrored by some revolutionary figure head?
the problem with ideologies is that regardless of political or religious tendancies they are still highly condtradicory of reality. So we all end up to be hypocritical, and un gratifiing. My thoughts, why bother confrunting any of the lies? we are all lied too, so why are our disolutions any better than the christians, or the muslims? moot.
instantcrazy 3 years ago
i love jay, always will
Aharleygyrl 3 years ago
agreeing with Gods Word Rom 1 does not mean judgemental, your disobedience does not change what God says and I am sorry you and i and all of us will have to one day stand before God and give an account of all disobedience, jay what will your excuse then be to God? would God have in His Word what He does not mean? either we believe His Word or you would have to admit, you just dont accept Gods Word as truth, therefore then why preach
vanessaevelyn 3 years ago
wat is the theme song???
tubbygraham 3 years ago
I'm glad to see Jay accepts people where they're at!! Jesus does that too.
trendyjesusboy 3 years ago
Transparency is great - but we can't be afraid to deal with our own sins & get past them thru the arduous task of restoration - see the Bible, in the book of James.
trendyjesusboy 3 years ago
Let's look to Jesus of the Bible and not to our own beliefs
236lbsnomore 3 years ago
RIP Tammy
nhoverhaulinfan2 4 years ago
You are very special and I love your message.
kingdesign1 4 years ago 2
Hey. I read Jay Bakkers book for FCA book club at my school.
Truly moving and powerful.
Great job.
DeToiAMoiILoveJesseM 4 years ago
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hahahaha... still a crook
top2d2 4 years ago