You can dress bigotry up all you want, it is still bigotry when you are done. We can live in peace though we disagree on this key issue, the trouble is you want to control your neighbor's law abiding actions that you don't agree with. Sorry, this is America, you don't get to tell your neighbors how to live.
"We reached out to a small number of customers of Bank of America in the Charlotte area, told them what happened to Frank Turek and asked them to call the company to let bankers know their customers do not appreciate this kind of disrespect. In the last few days more than 1,400 people have called to complain," said Gallagher.
Frank Turek's experience shows that an anti-defamation initiative is urgently needed, not for some point down the road, but right now in America. He's right, it is simply un-American, regardless of your views on gay marriage, that any American could lose their job or contract for writing civilly, thoughtfully, and intelligently in defense of our historic, cross-cultural understanding of marriage."
It's a group that isn't even allowed to go in the church to worship and their suprised they're protesting? I've heard the phrase "almost doesn't count" so when she says the pastor was "almost attacked" does she mean he wasn't attacked, she looked in the crowd and saw some ugly gay face giving him a dirty look? Yea that's what it was. Thanks NOM, everyday more hate.
The National Organization of Morons strikes again.
It's a group that isn't even allowed to go in the church to worship and their suprised they're protesting? I've heard the phrase "almost doesn't count" so when she says the pastor was "almost attacked" does she mean he wasn't attacked, she looked in the crowd and saw some ugly gay face giving him a dirty look? Yea that's what it was. Thanks NOM, everyday more hate.
Haha the quote from the cardinal is laughable. How long has the catholic church performed open acts of prejudices against gay people? FOREVER! He has proved that he is a bigot by saying that.
Marriage equality is based on some fundamental truths in our government, primarily the right to pursue happiness. The right to live by our own beliefs and still be seen as equal and valuable by our government is what we won in NY and what everybody deserves. No one is a faceless part of a menacing mass; we are all individuals deserving of the respect our individuals actions afford.
We can all live together in peace once we learn to respect each other's rights.
En quién confía usted más, Dios que dice que ama a tu prójimo y no el juez, o alguien que nunca te conocí que utiliza Google Translate y le dice que las personas GLBT no son iguales? Estas son las mismas personas que hablan español inmigrantes de habla hispana como otra razón para el miedo y el odio.
De esta forma se puede utilizar un lenguaje y una actitud tolerante y mostrar la oposición al matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo. En algunas ocasiones la frase que se ha utilizado ha sido: "Las personas tienen derecho a vivir como quieran pero no tienen el derecho a redefinir el matrimonio para todos los demás”
La mayoría de los estadounidenses están contra del matrimonio gay. Los defensores del matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo intentan desviar la atención del debate a cualquier otro tema como la discriminación, ayudas, homosexualidad, derechos de los homosexuales, el federalismo, nuestra sagrada constitución
Nuestro objetivo es sencillo: volver a hablar del matrimonio. Que no te confundan. El asunto que importa aquí es el matrimonio. El matrimonio es lo que nos preocupa. Lo que tiene verdadero interés, lo que nos importa de verdad. Es una cuestión de sentido común.
@omiolo Esto es una mentira. Las encuestas muestran que la mayoría favorece el tratamiento de los ciudadanos GLBT en pie de igualdad en todos los aspectos de la ley. Las personas GLBT no son malos, son todos a tu alrededor y tan cariñoso y respetuoso que el resto de la comunidad. Dios nos dice que amemos a los demás y no juzgar. ¿Quién de ustedes piensa que estaba equivocado?
And while not all Catholics are bigots (and it would help THEIR cause if they spoke more loudly against injustice done to LGBT people) still a great number of them are and there is no reason why we should accept bigotry, hatred and homophobia, from Catholics or non-Catholics alike, whether religiously-motivated or not. Hate is hate no matter where it comes from. Same with homophobia.
Brian Brown, executive director of the National Organization for Marriage: “Injustice has been served today. The gay marriage movement has once again used the courts to push an untruth on unwilling Iowans: same-sex unions are not marriages and Iowans should not be forced to treat them as such.”
@omiolo When dealing with civil rights we have an obligation to defend as critically other people's rights as we would have others defend ours. Thomas Jefferson once said: "The will of the majority is in all instances to prevail, but for that will to be rightful it must be reasonable. The minorities have their equal rights, and to deny them would be oppression." In other words, might does not make right, so minority rights should not be denied or voted on.
@omiolo The ability to "redefine" marriage is within the scope of the courts as evidenced in Loving v. Virginia 1967. This case also defined marriage as a civil right.
@sgzartan Try to understand the english language: Bigot is defined as "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion." The Catholic Church is not intolerant of homosexuals. The Church has great sympathy for them and all others who do not live within God's Commandments. If you want an example of Bigotry Please go to the Nation for Marrage website.
Those who say that traditional marriage supporters are "peaceful" have obviously never heard of this lesbian couple whose house has been burned down. Or that young transgender women beaten up in a Maryland McDonald. Or listened to the many, many stories of bullied kids in schools. Hate crimes against LGBT are now the most prevalent form of hate crimes in hte U.S. It's time the LGBT community wakes up and stops being bullied by hate group (NOM, I'm looking at you).
NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR MARRIAGE RELEASES NEW VIDEO: “Organized Chicago Protesters Denounce Catholics as Bigots During Mass: Coming to a Church Near You?” – Brian Brown
@omiolo LOL!!!! Typical victim syndrome. You anti-gays can really, really crack me up sometimes. Yeah, we burn churches... Well guess what? If it DID happen then it's a crime and should be punished. That is valid for both sides. It still doesn't change the fact that denying marriage between 2 men or 2 women is discriminatory. And honestly I'm not too interested at this point in you rehashing the same anti-gay propaganda. We've heard it all, and you STILL havn't put up much of a case.
and so did the KKK and other HATE group. This is why we resort to peaceful and productive methods to counter your hate. Look NO police needed to protect anyone when PRO marriage people get together.
@omiolo If you'd like to visit knowthyneighbor "dot" org you can see first hand violence committed by "PRO" marriage thugs, so can the fake air of innocence. I had to have armed security at my wedding because of death threats we received from you little angels.
@omiolo Where are you reading that they blacklist or encourage harassment? I think you are counting on people not visiting the site themselves and just taking your word for it. This is an outright lie.
The NOM Education Fund represents another aspect of NOM's overall effort to protect marriage, engaged solely in pro-marriage education and research, making information resources available to clergy, scholars, political leaders, and activists across the country. The NOM Education Fund is separately organized as a 501(c)(3) organization and NOM Education Fund donations are tax deductible.
@DeedsResearcher I'm actually following up on this story and having a difficult time verifying an arrest took place. Do you have the man's name? It says on the site he is summoned to appear on July 14, so clearly there should be a name to verify. I've seen the video and I'm not buying the idea that this was a gay man.
"All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics." ~Southern Poverty Law Center
NOM has an annual budget of $40M+ that could go to feed, cloth, shelter, and educate over 3,000 children if it weren't spent on selling hate. It's time we listened to Christ's words for ourselves and stopped fearing our neighbors long enough to love one another. This is what He came down and said was more important than anything else. Who here knows more than God Himself?
@salemmaman Actually NOM has a budget of just about 10M while the HRC has a budget of 40M. And yes, this money could be spent helping kids and schools since NOM is sooo concerned about kids. (So are we, btw, but discrimination remains discrimination and must be fought.) But equality is coming, and Maggie and Brian should work on revamping their CVs... Tough time ahead when all your life you've promoted hate against a certain group of individuals.
If homosexuality was a choice, than why has there never been a single gay person who has been able to change their sexual orientation?
NARTH and Exodus, both anti gay reparative therapy leaders, report 22% of those who want desperately to change are only able to suppress their feelings, not change, just suppress.
Of those who say they actually changed orientation, 0-2%
For the ignorant among us in this world: The term "TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE" means marriage that is between a man and a woman. And for those who are even more ignorant, women are not property. Men are not property, either!
@DeedsResearcher Women are not property ANYMORE, but when you say you want traditional marriage preserved I remind you this is what it once was before people came to their senses and made some changes. You can deny the things you don't like, but it doesn't make them less true.
@salemmaman Are you so dense that you have to twist everything I say to fit your purposes? If so, it makes me wonder how Raymond deals with you! "TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE" as it is known in the present day and age does not recognize anyone as being property of the other, male or female. It still has nothing to do with the issue of what your gang proposes. I marched in Boston back in the 1960s in order to work for racial equality. I did not do it so that women could marry women, or men marry men.
Nation's Leading Pro-Marriage Group says it will spend at Least $1 million to Defend any Democrats who Support Marriage, Oppose any Republicans who Vote to Redefine Marriage
NOM Reacts to 9th Circuit Refusal to Lift Stay in Prop 8 Case
WASHINGTON - The 9th Circuit Court today announced it would not lift its stay on Judge Vaughn Walker's decision overturning Proposition 8. The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) applauded the decision.
@omiolo I applaud this as well. If there's one thing I've learned about Americans is that you sometimes have to light a fire under them to get them moving, but once you have them moving get out of their way! This is a great fire.
@omiolo Of course, nobody who has a personal interest in such an issue should be sitting as Judge on that issue. Judge Walker has admitted he is gay, so that would have to disqualify him from sitting as judge. By all the ethics laws I've ever read, he should be required to recuse himself from the case.
actually being GAY is NOT the disqualifier, it is being in a gay relationship where he has personally vested interest in the outcome of a case he decides upon.
The equivalent would be if a man in a relationship with his daughter gets to decide if the world has to recognize and subsidize his relationship by unilaterally forcing such into law.
NOM Condemns New Calls for the Firing of Crystal Dixon; Calls on National Gay Rights Leaders to Repudiate Tactics of Intimidation & Renounce Religious Bigotry
@omiolo You have it backwards. GLBT people aren't in a position to intimidate others, they are the ones being attacked, and that's what the struggle for equality is fighting to correct. You'll note the SPLC lists GLBT citizens and the most effected by hate crimes in current times. If you think GLBT people are committing intimidation perhaps you could share some specific examples that we can examine for truthfulness?
Only 1.4 percent of Americans self identify as gay according to a study by the Centers for Disease Control's National Center for Health Statistics and Prevention. This a "much smaller number of 'gays, lesbians and homosexuals' than generally reported by the news media," said Michael Medved, a conservative columnist and radio host, in a column in USA Today.
@omiolo What is your point with saying 1.4%... does that mean we should abandon the idea of equality for all because the group is too small? Should we revert to back in the day where might makes right and just vote away all the rights of the people we don't like when our numbers are bigger than theirs? Ridiculous.
WASHINGTON - The National Organization of Marriage today announced that it is spending $500,000 on a new ad and lobbying campaign to oppose same-sex marriage in New York and will spend $1 million to support Democratic State Legislators who cast their votes to defend the traditional definition of marriage and oppose any Republican Legislators who vote to redefine marriage.
That is partly true. We have been getting married for decades. I married my husband in a church and received our marriage certificate. Our marriage was blessed by God, and witnessed by our families and friends.
It is the government we demand to recognize our marriages, as it does other marriages.
@omiolo This is a really ignorant point to make, I wish people would stop doing this. No gay person would want to marry a person of the opposite sex, your point is cruel. Can't we at least have the decency to treat each other respectfully in dialog? Your side claims to be the moral authority, so where is the higher ground?
@omiolo You are trying to muddle the point by bringing up those who would live closeted lives. Let's have a little intellectual honesty here. If GLBT people wanted to marry the opposite sex there wouldn't be an issue.
@omiolo Imagine how many homeless and hungry children could have been served with that money. Now it is wasted on an effort to control others who are law abiding contributing citizens. How sad.
@salemmaman You are really a "sad sack". People voluntarily donated money to the specific cause of DEFENDING TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE. I see nothing evil about that! Many of those same people probably donate to countless other worthy causes, as we do in the Knights of Columbus. No child went hungry because of our support of traditional marriage! As for the "T" in "GLBT", it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
With millions of needy children, Catholic charities is turning their backs on them, to avoid having business with gays. Foster homes are filled 100% with rejected children of straights.
Instead of destroying our marriages, you could use those resources improving the gay community, and helping the poor.
The Christ I believe in demands Love, compassion, and charity, the Christ you follow seems to only want death and hate. You have been successful in Uganda.
The NOM Education Fund represents another aspect of NOM's overall effort to protect marriage, engaged solely in pro-marriage education and research, making information resources available to clergy, scholars, political leaders, and activists across the country. The NOM Education Fund is separately organized as a 501(c)(3) organization and NOM Education Fund donations are tax deductible.
The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) is a nonprofit organization with a mission to protect marriage and the faith communities that sustain it.
The organization is non profit, but the people running it depend on the 6 figure income it provides.
NOM is working hard to spread lies and hate, with a goal to destroy marriage, and keep a segment of the population from the basic right of access to housing, jobs, and services without discrimination.
@Blairtim69 No. NOM is striving to PRESERVE marriage as it has been known around the world for the last 6000 years of civilization: the union of a man and a woman. Period. They are not involved in any other issues. Funny thing, though, when I see videos of them, they are very civilized. The ones who are very UNCIVIL are the ones who favor making marriage into something that it never has been. Even Ecuador's constitution states marriage is one of each instead of 2-of-a-kind. Wise people!
The bible has dozens of marriage types. Marriage has been constantly changing in history. In the U.S. black’s can now marry, children can no longer be sold into marriage, mixed races can now marry, and the master laws have been removed from marriage.
NOM is working hard to destroy my marriage.
There are uncivilized people on both sides of the protests.
Calling for the extermination of millions of Americans is hardly civilized.
@Blairtim69 Dozens of "marriage types"? Perhaps. That does not mean they are all approved by God! Mixed-race marriages are not a fundamental change, as it still applies only to male/female unions. NOM is working to preserve TRADITIONAL marriage. The uncivilized people at NOM rallies are the ones who start throwing around the profanities. In a truly civilized society there is no room nor need for swearing! Lastly, NOM is not calling for the "extermination" of anyone. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
Mixed race marriages were deemed unnatural, against God, and harmful to children.
Women were oppressed by the master laws; both these changes to marriage were huge.
I never said NOM called for our extermination, but anti gay folk at every protest do call for our extermination, calling for the enforcement of one law in Leviticus while ignoring all the others is calling for our extermination.
In the end we will have Liberty! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
@DeedsResearcher You mean a man and his property... the women he has collected to be his wives. We are talking about "traditional" marriage, right? ;) Read your Bible, it's in there. We went through all this 3 months ago, I have no problem citing this for you again.
@Blairtim69 "Our marriage does not affect your or anyone else’s marriage one single bit."
WRONG! Once you are able to REDEFINE marriage, radical gays will stop at NOTHING to insure that other groups that do NOT accept their redefinition are NOT allowed to marry. Look what happened in Massachusetts, groups are NO longer allowed to adopt if they do NOT accept the redefinition of marriage.
@omiolo I'm in Massachusetts. The Church decided to close their doors to Catholic Charities in Boston because the law states to discrimination. This comes AFTER this group had already granted adoptions to same sex couples. The truth is in the Boston Globe 2006 for all to see.
Washington – The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) today launched a nationwide web campaign against the law firm of King & Spalding over their decision to abandon representation of the US House of Representatives in the effort to defend the nation’s marriage law, called the Defense of Marriage Act. The ad campaign tags the firm with the slogan, “We’re There Until You Need Us.”
@omiolo Bigot by definition is someone who is intolerant of other people's differences. If you don't like being called a bigot you should try not acting like one.
@Blairtim69 Wrong. NOM is working hard to PRESERVE traditional marriage, as the world has known it for some 6000 years: a man and a woman.
With your attitude, I'd suggest not moving to Ecuador. Their Constitution specifically states that only "different gendered couples" may adopt. It also protects human life from the moment of conception, which would really rankle the pro-abortion thugs!
I don’t live in Ecuador, have no plans for Ecuador, or Iran, or Uganda, countries I am sure are dear to your heart for their oppressive religious governments.
I plan to stay in the U.S. and strive for my Liberty and rights.
Don’t worry I have no plans to move to Ecuador, Iran, or any other nation where the religious extremists promote their special kind of hate and evil. If I was to move to another country, of which I have no intent, it would be Canada, Spain, Norway, S. Africa, or one of the other gay welcoming nations.
Calling NOM a defender of marriage is Orwellian, considering, they are only trying to destroy marriages. You cannot point to a single thing they have done to preserve marriages. Your fallacy of marriage being only a man and woman for 6000 years is as laughable as dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark.
@Blairtim69 Wrong, genius! NOM has encouraged tens of thousands of people to write, email, or phone their elected representatives. They have done it without resorting to profane language, which is not something the pro-SSM guys can honestly say about themselves.
NOM has worked hard in this singular effort, and I've had numerous private emails with Brian. You see, he is ALSO a Brother Knight... a REAL Knight of Columbus. He has earned my admiration and respect .
@Blairtim69 Well said. If NOM was "really" about "defending" and "protecting" marriage they would outlaw divorce. They would close those wedding chapels in Vegas. Otherwise, I have no problem with the concept of being married for life. That is also my ideal once I find the girl of my dreams. Sure, things might not turn out that way but it'll sure be my expectation when I say "I do" to her. I have no problems with the principles underlying marraige : I just want them applied to EVERYONE.
Oh my goodness. That poor woman. FORCED to WALK AROUND HER CHURCH for doing nothing more than voting to take away citizens' rights! Does the gay agenda know no bounds!
In light of what happened yesterday in Maryland, I think it's high time for more of these protests to spring up. Churches, led by hate group NOM, have been imposing their laws on too long. It's time that LGBT individuals start seriously protesting about what's happening right now. We will no longer tolerate our rights being denied, we will no longer accept NOM's tactics of intimidation and bullying. Churches can scream all they want, they cannot take away/deny civil rights to others.
@Skulander1 NOM is not a "hate-group", so-called, no matter what your personal opinions might be. They support the TRADITIONAL precept that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman. Historically, marriage has been a religious ritual, overseen by the various religions around the world. If you don't belong to any particular religion, then it doesn't matter. To those people who DO belong, it does matter. If marriage were a "right", it would be enshrined in the Constitution, as it is in Ecuador.
@DeedsResearcher Of course they are a hate-group. In good and due form. They can uphold whatever view of marriage they want. Their church is welcome to do so as well. I personally could not care less what Maggie and Brian think about whom I love. But they don't get to impose THEIR OWN views on me, my family, my partner, my friends, the whole network of people who support gay marriage. Oh,and BTW: they are a hate group not because of their views, but because of the lies they propagate.
@Skulander1 The only time I have ever taken umbrage with Maggie or Brian is the one time they called for Christians to unite behind the cause of traditional marriage. Having been born Jewish, I took offense at that, as most Jews also support TRADITIONAL marriage of a man and a woman. I have never found even a single lie in any of their emails to me, and that matters more to me than any of your posturing.
@Blairtim69 You don't read too well, it seems. I said "having been born Jewish". That does not mean I am STILL Jewish! In fact, I've been Roman Catholic for over 30 years. Under Judaic law, I will be a Jew until the day I die. Rest assured: I am properly and fully qualified to be a Knight of Columbus. My council knew of my Jewish background when I was elected Grand Knight, a post I held for 2 years. The State Deputy knew it when he appointed me as a District Deputy.
@Blairtim69 Oh, the State Council also knew it when THEY elected me to the Supreme Council for 2 years in a row. Considering I had never been a state officer, that was VERY unusual. In the eyes of a lot of good people who I highly respect, they must have had a good reason for electing me to a post for which there is no campaigning. I was both honored and humbled to serve in those capacities.
@DeedsResearcher LOL, NOM THRIVES on lies, which is why they are a hate group, by the way. Lies, misinformation, flawed "research" on homosexuality (it is NOT something one choses, for one), or their insistence that kids "need" a mom and a dad, when we know that kids in gay families do just as well as kids in straight ones. But anyways, NOM's hatred is working less and less. People realize the injustice done when gays and lesbians do not enjoy the same rights as straight couples.
@Skulander1 Total and utter nonsense. NOM succeeds because good people agree that marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Nothing you say will ever change that fact. Have a nice day.
@DeedsResearcher Fine. Throw your usual little fit of anger. If you REALLY believe discrimination will be winning at the end of the day, so be it. I have no time to spend over people whose goal in life is to promote hatred and discrimination against others.
Senior leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints frequently travel across the world to manage the affairs of the Church and to minister to members. On occasion, these trips provide opportunities for Church leaders to meet with government officials and other opinion leaders.
For the record, Marriage is a religious ceremony. To my studies, no major (i.e. REAL!) religion has ever endorsed "2 -of-a-kind" as being a "marriage".
For the record, marriage is a legal status and contract. If you want to burn incense and howl at the moon you are free to do so, as long as you get a license, witness, and notary.
@Americcan You've got it all wrong, junior. While there are certain legalities involved in a marriage, it is still a religious ceremony, as evidenced by the fact that most marriages are conducted in a House of Worship: a church or synagogue of one sort of other. Civil ceremonies (as solemnized by a JP) are not normally religious. However, most people recognize them as being validly "married", which is why I resigned my Commission as a JP. I don't care to get sued for refusing to "marry" 2 men!
Marriage predates religion. You really are an ignorant little fuck, do you think we don't have more experience debating this than a bunch of fire worshipping shit heads like you?
@Americcan First, I don't worship any "fire". Second, major organized religions dating back almost 6000 years cover enough time to give full validity to the general teachings that are followed by their adherents. In other words, their core values have stood the test of time.
Third, you show your true colors when you resort to profanity. I find that people who do that generally have a poor argument, so they try to sound important by resorting to profanity. Gutter language belongs in the gutter.
@DeedsResearcher Two atheists can get married, so clearly marriage is not a religious institution. Simply because your religion sees it as a sacrament doesn't mean everyone else does. If you were a JP like you say then you know that you have to obtain a marriage license from the state it is being granted in, not the church you belong to, and there is the difference.
@salemmaman Wrong. Marriage licenses are granted by the city or town, NOT the state government. You get them at the city/town clerk's office. NO priest, minister, or Rabbi is going to perform a ceremony for 2 atheists, thankfully, nor should a JP be forced to perform a solemnization when he or she believes that something is wrong. I believe a he/he or a she/she "marriage" is wrong, so I will not perform one. That is MY right! Find someone else to do the deed. I don't need the money that badly.
@DeedsResearcher Cities and towns derive their authority to issue marriage license from the state, so my point still stands. Marriage is a legal institution which religious institutions can get permission from the state to perform. We have a religious freedom clause in our Constitution that prevents anyone from trying to force religious institutions to practice anything that is against their beliefs. No one is asking you to "sanctify" a same sex marriage.
Marriage has evolved and changed throughout history.
Children can no longer be traded or sold into marriage,
Blacks can now marry, mixed races can now marry, and women have been liberated from the head & master laws. These are just in the U.S. and the last 140 years, and are not all the changes.
Even the bible supports different forms of marriage.
Polygamy, 1man&1wife, 1man&1wife&concubine, 1man&1wife&sex slave, just to name a few practiced and blessed by God.
@omiolo marriage has been redefined in several states already, and the sky has not fallen. People of Massachusetts have had marriage equality for 6 years now, there and marriage flourishes there better than almost every single other state. In fact the best ranked educations by state shows all the states where same sex marriage is legal. You think this is a coincidence? Your religion doesn't own marriage, you can live your life without needing to control others you don't approve of.
@omiolo The Constitution of Ecuador defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. It also protects human life "from the moment of conception". GREAT document! The pro-abortion gang of thugs would have fits if we ever did that here in the USA. HEY! That's a GREAT idea!!!
@DeedsResearcher "The Constitution of Ecuador defines marriage as being between a man and a woman"
Yeah, 20 years ago, NOBODY thought that marriage would be redefined and so they would have to explicitly DEFINE it. Next I see us having to define, INCEST, VOTES, and PERSONAL responsibility.
@omiolo Correct. The good people of Ecuador crafted a new Constitution just a few years ago. It's long, to be sure, but it has become the framework for their nation. It limits adoption to "different-sex couples" only. I really suggest that people READ IT before they try to judge it.
Carindal George said, 'Catholics should be allowed to be prejudiced assholes in peace. They should be allowed to pretend that they are nice people, even while they support discrimination."
@Americcan How much more "merde" is going to be spewed out by anti-Catholic bigots such as yourself? We don't "support" discrimination. We support the great historical traditions that have been handed down to us over the last 6000+ years. Thank God we have the Knights of Columbus to support those traditions.
The Knights Of Columbus is a hate group and Carl Anderson is a piece of shit. Ask yourself what the connection is between Carl Anderson and Mel Sembler.
@Americcan Carl Anderson is a friend of mine. Yes, I'm a Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus, a Past Grand Knight, Past Faithful Navigator, Former District Deputy, and served 2 years on the Supreme Council. I will stand with Carl.
@Americcan I'm not. As for Ambassador Sembler, he was Jewish. As an FYI, I am also a Jew by birth. You have a problem with that, son? You'll probably never figure it out!
@DeedsResearcher I'm a third degree Knight with our chapter 4442 in Salem, NH knighted by my grandfather with the family sword. He was 4th degree too, Big Deal. It doesn't mean I have been given more insight into politics or proper governance. All it means is that I promised to stand by my fellow knights and help our community. I'm part of that community too, and I deserve the same thing from my government because I am a member in good standing with that community, just like you.
@salemmaman You're a 3rd Degree Knight of Columbus? And you support same sex marriage? Interesting. When and where did you take your 3rd Degree? Just curious.
@DeedsResearcher 1992, the 500th anniversary of Columbus. Does that matter? I have a question for you; why did you try to claim that marriage has always been one man and one woman? As a fourth degree knight you know this to be untrue.
@salemmaman As far as I know, marriage has always been 1 man and 1 woman. Until the recent attempts to change that, I never knew of anything else. I was born Jewish, and under the rules of Orthodox Judaism (the most strict of Jewish observers) , marriage is 1 man and 1 woman. If you ask any Orthodox Rabbi, he will verify that. You can ask Stan Polan the same question.
Oh, I asked "when and where" for a very good reason. I'm still waiting for your answer.
@DeedsResearcher I dont believe you are being honest. What prevents you from picking up the Bible and verifying this right now? do you need more examples?
@salemmaman And now I have good reason to doubt that you are a 3rd Degree K of C member! I've been totally honest with you, as I am with everyone. But if you cannot tell me the meaning of "VJ", then you either are not a Knight, or else you stopped after the 1st degree.
As for verifying: you made the claim, so it's up to you to prove it. Telling me to pick up my Bible is not proving anything at all.
@DeedsResearcher OK, I guess it is back to Bible study, here goes you argument: Genesis 4:19
"And Lamech took unto him two wives." Genesis 25:6 "But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had..." Genesis 26:34 "Esau ... took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite." Genesis 31:17 "Then Jacob rose up, and set ... his wives upon camels." That is in Genesis alone. Still want to argue that marriage is one man and one woman by God?"
@salemmaman Abraham was alive long before Moses. All (613) of the Jewish Commandments were given through Moses.
Nothing you have written says anything about male/male, or female/female. It is all male/female. I can think of one religion where they allow men to have more than one wife: Mormons. However, each wife and the resulting family must be kept separate from the others. The LDS does not recognize he/he or she/she. Read the BYU (Brigham Young University) Honor Code, for proof.
@DeedsResearcher Now you are changing what you said. You said in other posts right here that marriage has ALWAYS been one man and one woman. Either that is true or it is not.
@DeedsResearcher I'm curious; how does someone post on Youtube without having a Youtube account? I notice when I click on your name that you have comments listed for the past 24 hours only, why is that?
@DeedsResearcher If you want to verify my membership that is pretty easy to do. My name is John Hosty and my grandfather who passed away since is named Alphonse Krafton of the 4442; also a 4rth degree knight and veteran of WWII. I am not going to discuss openly the secrets involved, you shouldn't either. We both went through secret ceremonies, if you want to discuss them privately, that's fine.
@salemmaman You passed...sort of. The "test" was to see if you could also understand the meaning of the initials. If you ever read Columbia magazine you will see the actual words used therein. If it's used in Columbia (which is not just for Knights to read, I might add), then it's perfectly okay to use them, even in this setting.
@DeedsResearcher What should matter to you more are the principles that make the Knights special, and living those ideologies. Yes, I am gay. I'm also a good person who loves my neighbors and fellow Christians. We are all called to put our differences aside and love one another regardless of them. I've seen it said that homosexuality is our cross to bear, but what if it is actually yours? God calls us to love each other, what if by turning away GLBT people you are going against His will?
@DeedsResearcher You just feel that the gay one doesn't deserve the same things your other daughter can take for granted, but you call that ethical? It is not, and you should open your eyes to that fact.
Bishop Lynch of St Petersburg lives in a large waterfront pool home. Some vow of poverty. He sexually harassed a male employee. Some vow of chastity. These men are lying hypocritical pigs.
@Americcan Diocesan Priests do NOT take vows of poverty. Only those who join specific Orders such as the Benedictines take that vow. Nuns DO take vows of poverty. You claim he sexually abused someone? PROVE IT! If you have no proof,your claim is worthless. So, let's see the proof, or else I demand you recant your claim.
@DeedsResearcher What a farce. Just because we disagree we are supposed to be anti-Catholic all of the sudden. I got news for you; I'm Catholic too. People can disagree, you shouldn't try to make them out to be against Catholics because they disagree with you.
As to science, contrary to a source cited by Hansen that same-sex attractions are of purely biological origin, Dr. Francis S. Collins, former director of the National Human Genome Research Institute and the current director of the National Institutes of Health, reached a very different conclusion. Collins, in addressing the etiology of homosexuality in his book,
The Language of God, offers the conclusion that homosexuality is "genetically influenced but not hardwired by DNA and that whatever genes are involved represent predispositions, not predeterminations."
God is a myth. There are hundreds of gods, and each one of them finds his way back to a myth, a lie, an attempt to add divine authority to human personality. Grow the hell up.
@Americcan The only "myth" is the lines you are spewing out. Sorry, junior, but marriage has been universally recognized as 1 man and 1 women for the last 6000+ years.
You can dress bigotry up all you want, it is still bigotry when you are done. We can live in peace though we disagree on this key issue, the trouble is you want to control your neighbor's law abiding actions that you don't agree with. Sorry, this is America, you don't get to tell your neighbors how to live.
salemmaman 5 months ago
"We reached out to a small number of customers of Bank of America in the Charlotte area, told them what happened to Frank Turek and asked them to call the company to let bankers know their customers do not appreciate this kind of disrespect. In the last few days more than 1,400 people have called to complain," said Gallagher.
omiolo 5 months ago
Frank Turek's experience shows that an anti-defamation initiative is urgently needed, not for some point down the road, but right now in America. He's right, it is simply un-American, regardless of your views on gay marriage, that any American could lose their job or contract for writing civilly, thoughtfully, and intelligently in defense of our historic, cross-cultural understanding of marriage."
omiolo 5 months ago
It's a group that isn't even allowed to go in the church to worship and their suprised they're protesting? I've heard the phrase "almost doesn't count" so when she says the pastor was "almost attacked" does she mean he wasn't attacked, she looked in the crowd and saw some ugly gay face giving him a dirty look? Yea that's what it was. Thanks NOM, everyday more hate.
The National Organization of Morons strikes again.
TheThordir 5 months ago
It's a group that isn't even allowed to go in the church to worship and their suprised they're protesting? I've heard the phrase "almost doesn't count" so when she says the pastor was "almost attacked" does she mean he wasn't attacked, she looked in the crowd and saw some ugly gay face giving him a dirty look? Yea that's what it was. Thanks NOM, everyday more hate.
TheThordir 5 months ago
Haha the quote from the cardinal is laughable. How long has the catholic church performed open acts of prejudices against gay people? FOREVER! He has proved that he is a bigot by saying that.
onevision1991 7 months ago
Marriage equality is based on some fundamental truths in our government, primarily the right to pursue happiness. The right to live by our own beliefs and still be seen as equal and valuable by our government is what we won in NY and what everybody deserves. No one is a faceless part of a menacing mass; we are all individuals deserving of the respect our individuals actions afford.
We can all live together in peace once we learn to respect each other's rights.
salemmaman 8 months ago
New Poll: 57% of New Yorkers Reject Same-Sex Marriage
“Kill this divisive bill, and let the people of New York decide.” - Brian Brown, President of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM)
omiolo 8 months ago
En quién confía usted más, Dios que dice que ama a tu prójimo y no el juez, o alguien que nunca te conocí que utiliza Google Translate y le dice que las personas GLBT no son iguales? Estas son las mismas personas que hablan español inmigrantes de habla hispana como otra razón para el miedo y el odio.
salemmaman 8 months ago
En muy repetidas ocasiones las encuestas han dejado claro que el mensaje más eficaz es el siguiente:
"Las parejas homosexuales tienen derecho a vivir como ellos quieran, pero no tienen el derecho a redefinir el matrimonio para todos los demás”
omiolo 8 months ago
De esta forma se puede utilizar un lenguaje y una actitud tolerante y mostrar la oposición al matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo. En algunas ocasiones la frase que se ha utilizado ha sido: "Las personas tienen derecho a vivir como quieran pero no tienen el derecho a redefinir el matrimonio para todos los demás”
omiolo 8 months ago
Queremos libertad, igualdad y justicia para todos en America.
salemmaman 8 months ago
La mayoría de los estadounidenses están contra del matrimonio gay. Los defensores del matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo intentan desviar la atención del debate a cualquier otro tema como la discriminación, ayudas, homosexualidad, derechos de los homosexuales, el federalismo, nuestra sagrada constitución
omiolo 8 months ago
Nuestro objetivo es sencillo: volver a hablar del matrimonio. Que no te confundan. El asunto que importa aquí es el matrimonio. El matrimonio es lo que nos preocupa. Lo que tiene verdadero interés, lo que nos importa de verdad. Es una cuestión de sentido común.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo Esto es una mentira. Las encuestas muestran que la mayoría favorece el tratamiento de los ciudadanos GLBT en pie de igualdad en todos los aspectos de la ley. Las personas GLBT no son malos, son todos a tu alrededor y tan cariñoso y respetuoso que el resto de la comunidad. Dios nos dice que amemos a los demás y no juzgar. ¿Quién de ustedes piensa que estaba equivocado?
salemmaman 8 months ago
Why police didn't protected the rights of the faithfull?
moveaxebx 8 months ago
And while not all Catholics are bigots (and it would help THEIR cause if they spoke more loudly against injustice done to LGBT people) still a great number of them are and there is no reason why we should accept bigotry, hatred and homophobia, from Catholics or non-Catholics alike, whether religiously-motivated or not. Hate is hate no matter where it comes from. Same with homophobia.
Skulander1 8 months ago
Brian Brown, executive director of the National Organization for Marriage: “Injustice has been served today. The gay marriage movement has once again used the courts to push an untruth on unwilling Iowans: same-sex unions are not marriages and Iowans should not be forced to treat them as such.”
omiolo 8 months ago
NEW POLL: Majority of Maryland Voters Believe Marriages is Only One Man-One Woman
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo When dealing with civil rights we have an obligation to defend as critically other people's rights as we would have others defend ours. Thomas Jefferson once said: "The will of the majority is in all instances to prevail, but for that will to be rightful it must be reasonable. The minorities have their equal rights, and to deny them would be oppression." In other words, might does not make right, so minority rights should not be denied or voted on.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman "When dealing with civil right"
REDEFINING marriage is NOT a civil right. You have been deceived.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo The ability to "redefine" marriage is within the scope of the courts as evidenced in Loving v. Virginia 1967. This case also defined marriage as a civil right.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@omiolo
Excuse me, mister os misses moron, but marriage has been redefined countless times. Try reading a book. But the (un)holy babble.
TheThordir 5 months ago
@TheThordir "but marriage has been redefined countless times."
Please let me know when MARRIAGE was NOT between man and woman? Please do NOT try and rewrite history!!
omiolo 5 months ago
@omiolo agreed!
sgzartan 4 weeks ago
@sgzartan Try to understand the english language: Bigot is defined as "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion." The Catholic Church is not intolerant of homosexuals. The Church has great sympathy for them and all others who do not live within God's Commandments. If you want an example of Bigotry Please go to the Nation for Marrage website.
Peace
700499 1 week ago
Those who say that traditional marriage supporters are "peaceful" have obviously never heard of this lesbian couple whose house has been burned down. Or that young transgender women beaten up in a Maryland McDonald. Or listened to the many, many stories of bullied kids in schools. Hate crimes against LGBT are now the most prevalent form of hate crimes in hte U.S. It's time the LGBT community wakes up and stops being bullied by hate group (NOM, I'm looking at you).
Skulander1 8 months ago
NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR MARRIAGE RELEASES NEW VIDEO: “Organized Chicago Protesters Denounce Catholics as Bigots During Mass: Coming to a Church Near You?” – Brian Brown
omiolo 8 months ago
National Organization for Marriage Condemns President Obama’s Extraordinary Effort to Sabotage DOMA Defense
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo GOOD!!! Go Obama. NOM is nothing more than a latter-day version of the KKK and will be rememberd accordingly.
Skulander1 8 months ago
@Skulander1 "a latter-day version of the KKK"
Do NOT try and trivialize the KKK.
Secondly, it is gays surrounding churches like the KKK did. Burning them too.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo LOL!!!! Typical victim syndrome. You anti-gays can really, really crack me up sometimes. Yeah, we burn churches... Well guess what? If it DID happen then it's a crime and should be punished. That is valid for both sides. It still doesn't change the fact that denying marriage between 2 men or 2 women is discriminatory. And honestly I'm not too interested at this point in you rehashing the same anti-gay propaganda. We've heard it all, and you STILL havn't put up much of a case.
Skulander1 8 months ago
@Skulander1 "Yeah, we burn churches"
and so did the KKK and other HATE group. This is why we resort to peaceful and productive methods to counter your hate. Look NO police needed to protect anyone when PRO marriage people get together.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo If you'd like to visit knowthyneighbor "dot" org you can see first hand violence committed by "PRO" marriage thugs, so can the fake air of innocence. I had to have armed security at my wedding because of death threats we received from you little angels.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman "visit knowthyneighbor "dot" org"
the website where the FRONT page encourages the BLACK LISTING and HARASSING of those trying to PROTECT marriage?
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo Where are you reading that they blacklist or encourage harassment? I think you are counting on people not visiting the site themselves and just taking your word for it. This is an outright lie.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman "Where are you reading that they blacklist or encourage harassment?"
I do NOT mind REPEATING myself.
FRONT page. I can repeat it the THIRD time. FRONT page.
omiolo 8 months ago
The NOM Education Fund represents another aspect of NOM's overall effort to protect marriage, engaged solely in pro-marriage education and research, making information resources available to clergy, scholars, political leaders, and activists across the country. The NOM Education Fund is separately organized as a 501(c)(3) organization and NOM Education Fund donations are tax deductible.
omiolo 8 months ago
By the way, I know at least one other group that is fighting for traditional marriage, and here is a clip they just emailed to me:
w w w . t f p student action . org / what-we-do / street-campaigns / update-man-who-destroyed-tfp-marriage-banner-arrested . html?
Note that the people with the signs are acting in a civil manner, but the guy who destroyed their sign was arrested by police.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher I'm actually following up on this story and having a difficult time verifying an arrest took place. Do you have the man's name? It says on the site he is summoned to appear on July 14, so clearly there should be a name to verify. I've seen the video and I'm not buying the idea that this was a gay man.
salemmaman 8 months ago
"All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics." ~Southern Poverty Law Center
salemmaman 8 months ago
NOM has an annual budget of $40M+ that could go to feed, cloth, shelter, and educate over 3,000 children if it weren't spent on selling hate. It's time we listened to Christ's words for ourselves and stopped fearing our neighbors long enough to love one another. This is what He came down and said was more important than anything else. Who here knows more than God Himself?
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman Actually NOM has a budget of just about 10M while the HRC has a budget of 40M. And yes, this money could be spent helping kids and schools since NOM is sooo concerned about kids. (So are we, btw, but discrimination remains discrimination and must be fought.) But equality is coming, and Maggie and Brian should work on revamping their CVs... Tough time ahead when all your life you've promoted hate against a certain group of individuals.
Skulander1 8 months ago
If homosexuality was a choice, than why has there never been a single gay person who has been able to change their sexual orientation?
NARTH and Exodus, both anti gay reparative therapy leaders, report 22% of those who want desperately to change are only able to suppress their feelings, not change, just suppress.
Of those who say they actually changed orientation, 0-2%
These are their numbers from their sites.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
For the ignorant among us in this world: The term "TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE" means marriage that is between a man and a woman. And for those who are even more ignorant, women are not property. Men are not property, either!
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher Women are not property ANYMORE, but when you say you want traditional marriage preserved I remind you this is what it once was before people came to their senses and made some changes. You can deny the things you don't like, but it doesn't make them less true.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman Are you so dense that you have to twist everything I say to fit your purposes? If so, it makes me wonder how Raymond deals with you! "TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE" as it is known in the present day and age does not recognize anyone as being property of the other, male or female. It still has nothing to do with the issue of what your gang proposes. I marched in Boston back in the 1960s in order to work for racial equality. I did not do it so that women could marry women, or men marry men.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
Nation's Leading Pro-Marriage Group says it will spend at Least $1 million to Defend any Democrats who Support Marriage, Oppose any Republicans who Vote to Redefine Marriage
omiolo 8 months ago
NOM Congratulates MD Legislature for Defending Marriage
omiolo 8 months ago
I wonder how many homeless and hungry children this money could have helped.
salemmaman 8 months ago
NOM Reacts to 9th Circuit Refusal to Lift Stay in Prop 8 Case
WASHINGTON - The 9th Circuit Court today announced it would not lift its stay on Judge Vaughn Walker's decision overturning Proposition 8. The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) applauded the decision.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo I applaud this as well. If there's one thing I've learned about Americans is that you sometimes have to light a fire under them to get them moving, but once you have them moving get out of their way! This is a great fire.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@omiolo Of course, nobody who has a personal interest in such an issue should be sitting as Judge on that issue. Judge Walker has admitted he is gay, so that would have to disqualify him from sitting as judge. By all the ethics laws I've ever read, he should be required to recuse himself from the case.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher "Judge Walker has admitted he is gay"
actually being GAY is NOT the disqualifier, it is being in a gay relationship where he has personally vested interest in the outcome of a case he decides upon.
The equivalent would be if a man in a relationship with his daughter gets to decide if the world has to recognize and subsidize his relationship by unilaterally forcing such into law.
omiolo 8 months ago
NOM Slams Cummins, Inc.'s Misleading Testimony Against Indiana Marriage Amendment
omiolo 8 months ago
NOM Condemns New Calls for the Firing of Crystal Dixon; Calls on National Gay Rights Leaders to Repudiate Tactics of Intimidation & Renounce Religious Bigotry
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo You have it backwards. GLBT people aren't in a position to intimidate others, they are the ones being attacked, and that's what the struggle for equality is fighting to correct. You'll note the SPLC lists GLBT citizens and the most effected by hate crimes in current times. If you think GLBT people are committing intimidation perhaps you could share some specific examples that we can examine for truthfulness?
salemmaman 8 months ago
Only 1.4 percent of Americans self identify as gay according to a study by the Centers for Disease Control's National Center for Health Statistics and Prevention. This a "much smaller number of 'gays, lesbians and homosexuals' than generally reported by the news media," said Michael Medved, a conservative columnist and radio host, in a column in USA Today.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo
I looked up the study at the CDC
The study was of only high school students, not the general population.
1.3% identified as gay or lesbian, 3.7% as bi-sexual and 2.5% as not sure.
There is no actual count; most estimate the gay population between 8-12%
As usual it only takes research to find how one of you distorts the truth, or flat out lie.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@omiolo What is your point with saying 1.4%... does that mean we should abandon the idea of equality for all because the group is too small? Should we revert to back in the day where might makes right and just vote away all the rights of the people we don't like when our numbers are bigger than theirs? Ridiculous.
salemmaman 8 months ago
WASHINGTON - The National Organization of Marriage today announced that it is spending $500,000 on a new ad and lobbying campaign to oppose same-sex marriage in New York and will spend $1 million to support Democratic State Legislators who cast their votes to defend the traditional definition of marriage and oppose any Republican Legislators who vote to redefine marriage.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo
Hopefully the New York Representatives will do the right thing and support Liberty for all New Yorkers, and allow gays to marry.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 "allow gays to marry"
Gays are allowed to marry. NO ONE is stopping them. Realizing of course that marriage is between MAN and WOMAN.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo
That is partly true. We have been getting married for decades. I married my husband in a church and received our marriage certificate. Our marriage was blessed by God, and witnessed by our families and friends.
It is the government we demand to recognize our marriages, as it does other marriages.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@omiolo This is a really ignorant point to make, I wish people would stop doing this. No gay person would want to marry a person of the opposite sex, your point is cruel. Can't we at least have the decency to treat each other respectfully in dialog? Your side claims to be the moral authority, so where is the higher ground?
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman "No gay person would want to marry a person of the opposite sex"
I can name COUNTLESS people who now say they are gay who were married.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo You are trying to muddle the point by bringing up those who would live closeted lives. Let's have a little intellectual honesty here. If GLBT people wanted to marry the opposite sex there wouldn't be an issue.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@omiolo Imagine how many homeless and hungry children could have been served with that money. Now it is wasted on an effort to control others who are law abiding contributing citizens. How sad.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman You are really a "sad sack". People voluntarily donated money to the specific cause of DEFENDING TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE. I see nothing evil about that! Many of those same people probably donate to countless other worthy causes, as we do in the Knights of Columbus. No child went hungry because of our support of traditional marriage! As for the "T" in "GLBT", it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
With millions of needy children, Catholic charities is turning their backs on them, to avoid having business with gays. Foster homes are filled 100% with rejected children of straights.
Instead of destroying our marriages, you could use those resources improving the gay community, and helping the poor.
The Christ I believe in demands Love, compassion, and charity, the Christ you follow seems to only want death and hate. You have been successful in Uganda.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
The NOM Education Fund represents another aspect of NOM's overall effort to protect marriage, engaged solely in pro-marriage education and research, making information resources available to clergy, scholars, political leaders, and activists across the country. The NOM Education Fund is separately organized as a 501(c)(3) organization and NOM Education Fund donations are tax deductible.
omiolo 8 months ago
The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) is a nonprofit organization with a mission to protect marriage and the faith communities that sustain it.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo
The organization is non profit, but the people running it depend on the 6 figure income it provides.
NOM is working hard to spread lies and hate, with a goal to destroy marriage, and keep a segment of the population from the basic right of access to housing, jobs, and services without discrimination.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 No. NOM is striving to PRESERVE marriage as it has been known around the world for the last 6000 years of civilization: the union of a man and a woman. Period. They are not involved in any other issues. Funny thing, though, when I see videos of them, they are very civilized. The ones who are very UNCIVIL are the ones who favor making marriage into something that it never has been. Even Ecuador's constitution states marriage is one of each instead of 2-of-a-kind. Wise people!
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
The bible has dozens of marriage types. Marriage has been constantly changing in history. In the U.S. black’s can now marry, children can no longer be sold into marriage, mixed races can now marry, and the master laws have been removed from marriage.
NOM is working hard to destroy my marriage.
There are uncivilized people on both sides of the protests.
Calling for the extermination of millions of Americans is hardly civilized.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 Dozens of "marriage types"? Perhaps. That does not mean they are all approved by God! Mixed-race marriages are not a fundamental change, as it still applies only to male/female unions. NOM is working to preserve TRADITIONAL marriage. The uncivilized people at NOM rallies are the ones who start throwing around the profanities. In a truly civilized society there is no room nor need for swearing! Lastly, NOM is not calling for the "extermination" of anyone. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
Mixed race marriages were deemed unnatural, against God, and harmful to children.
Women were oppressed by the master laws; both these changes to marriage were huge.
I never said NOM called for our extermination, but anti gay folk at every protest do call for our extermination, calling for the enforcement of one law in Leviticus while ignoring all the others is calling for our extermination.
In the end we will have Liberty! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher You mean a man and his property... the women he has collected to be his wives. We are talking about "traditional" marriage, right? ;) Read your Bible, it's in there. We went through all this 3 months ago, I have no problem citing this for you again.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 "with a goal to destroy marriage,"
You are sadly brainwashed or willfully deceptive.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo
NOM is actively trying to destroy my marriage. They are trying to hurt me, my spouse, and our three children.
NOM is actively trying to keep an entire segment of the population from marriage.
They also oppose our right to housing, jobs, and services without discrimination.
Our marriages are of no threat to anyone else’s marriage, they do not protect marriage from anything, and they are only trying to destroy marriages.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 "NOM is actively trying to destroy my marriage. They are trying to hurt me, my spouse, and our three children."
Why are they the ones organizing the ANTIfamily activities such as GAY PRIDE, DINAH SHORE, etc?
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo
Our marriage does not affect your or anyone else’s marriage one single bit.
NOM is trying to destroy our marriage. I don’t understand how destroying our marriages will protect yours.
I had to look up Dinah Shore. I’m not sure what she has to do with anything, but showing your age.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 "Our marriage does not affect your or anyone else’s marriage one single bit."
WRONG! Once you are able to REDEFINE marriage, radical gays will stop at NOTHING to insure that other groups that do NOT accept their redefinition are NOT allowed to marry. Look what happened in Massachusetts, groups are NO longer allowed to adopt if they do NOT accept the redefinition of marriage.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo I'm in Massachusetts. The Church decided to close their doors to Catholic Charities in Boston because the law states to discrimination. This comes AFTER this group had already granted adoptions to same sex couples. The truth is in the Boston Globe 2006 for all to see.
salemmaman 8 months ago
Washington – The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) today launched a nationwide web campaign against the law firm of King & Spalding over their decision to abandon representation of the US House of Representatives in the effort to defend the nation’s marriage law, called the Defense of Marriage Act. The ad campaign tags the firm with the slogan, “We’re There Until You Need Us.”
omiolo 8 months ago
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Blairtim69 8 months ago
@omiolo The law firm of King & Spalding understand that there is no defending bigotry.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman "The law firm of King & Spalding understand that there is no defending bigotry."
STOP trivializes the word BIGOT.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo Bigot by definition is someone who is intolerant of other people's differences. If you don't like being called a bigot you should try not acting like one.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman "Bigot by definition is someone who is intolerant of other people's differences"
BIGOTS harass, mock, black list and ATTACK. Who is getting harassed, mocked, black listed, and attacked/? The Yes on Prop 8 people or the homosexuals?
GOTCHA!
omiolo 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 Wrong. NOM is working hard to PRESERVE traditional marriage, as the world has known it for some 6000 years: a man and a woman.
With your attitude, I'd suggest not moving to Ecuador. Their Constitution specifically states that only "different gendered couples" may adopt. It also protects human life from the moment of conception, which would really rankle the pro-abortion thugs!
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher For further proof of the Ecuador constitution, here is a URL for it:
h t t p : // pdba. georgetown. edu / Constitutions / Ecuador / english08 . html
Spaces were entered to assure that it gets into this message.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
I don’t live in Ecuador, have no plans for Ecuador, or Iran, or Uganda, countries I am sure are dear to your heart for their oppressive religious governments.
I plan to stay in the U.S. and strive for my Liberty and rights.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
Don’t worry I have no plans to move to Ecuador, Iran, or any other nation where the religious extremists promote their special kind of hate and evil. If I was to move to another country, of which I have no intent, it would be Canada, Spain, Norway, S. Africa, or one of the other gay welcoming nations.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
Calling NOM a defender of marriage is Orwellian, considering, they are only trying to destroy marriages. You cannot point to a single thing they have done to preserve marriages. Your fallacy of marriage being only a man and woman for 6000 years is as laughable as dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 Wrong, genius! NOM has encouraged tens of thousands of people to write, email, or phone their elected representatives. They have done it without resorting to profane language, which is not something the pro-SSM guys can honestly say about themselves.
NOM has worked hard in this singular effort, and I've had numerous private emails with Brian. You see, he is ALSO a Brother Knight... a REAL Knight of Columbus. He has earned my admiration and respect .
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 Well said. If NOM was "really" about "defending" and "protecting" marriage they would outlaw divorce. They would close those wedding chapels in Vegas. Otherwise, I have no problem with the concept of being married for life. That is also my ideal once I find the girl of my dreams. Sure, things might not turn out that way but it'll sure be my expectation when I say "I do" to her. I have no problems with the principles underlying marraige : I just want them applied to EVERYONE.
Skulander1 8 months ago
Worshiping in peace- fine.
Working to take away the freedom of homosexuals is NOT worshiping in peace.
You are protesting their rights, they have EVERY right to protest your little homophobic campaign here.
Them calling you "bigots" is not nearly as bad as what you're trying to do to them.
Your alibis and so-called reasons are irrelevant.
Your little homophobic pets you have preached into the fear of homosexuals, I pity. Or do I? A truly feeble mind is needed to believe such squabble.
Fuck off.
TimberwolfEmmyProduc 9 months ago
Keep up the protesting! Great work!
askmeagain43 10 months ago
Oh my goodness. That poor woman. FORCED to WALK AROUND HER CHURCH for doing nothing more than voting to take away citizens' rights! Does the gay agenda know no bounds!
JejunumJake 10 months ago
You people are so blind. If you don't want to be called a bigot, DON'T ACT LIKE A BIGOT.
JejunumJake 10 months ago
In light of what happened yesterday in Maryland, I think it's high time for more of these protests to spring up. Churches, led by hate group NOM, have been imposing their laws on too long. It's time that LGBT individuals start seriously protesting about what's happening right now. We will no longer tolerate our rights being denied, we will no longer accept NOM's tactics of intimidation and bullying. Churches can scream all they want, they cannot take away/deny civil rights to others.
Skulander1 11 months ago
@Skulander1 NOM is not a "hate-group", so-called, no matter what your personal opinions might be. They support the TRADITIONAL precept that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman. Historically, marriage has been a religious ritual, overseen by the various religions around the world. If you don't belong to any particular religion, then it doesn't matter. To those people who DO belong, it does matter. If marriage were a "right", it would be enshrined in the Constitution, as it is in Ecuador.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher Of course they are a hate-group. In good and due form. They can uphold whatever view of marriage they want. Their church is welcome to do so as well. I personally could not care less what Maggie and Brian think about whom I love. But they don't get to impose THEIR OWN views on me, my family, my partner, my friends, the whole network of people who support gay marriage. Oh,and BTW: they are a hate group not because of their views, but because of the lies they propagate.
Skulander1 8 months ago
@Skulander1 The only time I have ever taken umbrage with Maggie or Brian is the one time they called for Christians to unite behind the cause of traditional marriage. Having been born Jewish, I took offense at that, as most Jews also support TRADITIONAL marriage of a man and a woman. I have never found even a single lie in any of their emails to me, and that matters more to me than any of your posturing.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
A Jewish knight of Columbus, that’s unique. You do realize the same time Columbus left Spain the Jews were being slaughtered by the good Christians.
Blairtim69 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 You don't read too well, it seems. I said "having been born Jewish". That does not mean I am STILL Jewish! In fact, I've been Roman Catholic for over 30 years. Under Judaic law, I will be a Jew until the day I die. Rest assured: I am properly and fully qualified to be a Knight of Columbus. My council knew of my Jewish background when I was elected Grand Knight, a post I held for 2 years. The State Deputy knew it when he appointed me as a District Deputy.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@Blairtim69 Oh, the State Council also knew it when THEY elected me to the Supreme Council for 2 years in a row. Considering I had never been a state officer, that was VERY unusual. In the eyes of a lot of good people who I highly respect, they must have had a good reason for electing me to a post for which there is no campaigning. I was both honored and humbled to serve in those capacities.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher LOL, NOM THRIVES on lies, which is why they are a hate group, by the way. Lies, misinformation, flawed "research" on homosexuality (it is NOT something one choses, for one), or their insistence that kids "need" a mom and a dad, when we know that kids in gay families do just as well as kids in straight ones. But anyways, NOM's hatred is working less and less. People realize the injustice done when gays and lesbians do not enjoy the same rights as straight couples.
Skulander1 8 months ago
@Skulander1 Total and utter nonsense. NOM succeeds because good people agree that marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Nothing you say will ever change that fact. Have a nice day.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher Fine. Throw your usual little fit of anger. If you REALLY believe discrimination will be winning at the end of the day, so be it. I have no time to spend over people whose goal in life is to promote hatred and discrimination against others.
Skulander1 8 months ago
Senior leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints frequently travel across the world to manage the affairs of the Church and to minister to members. On occasion, these trips provide opportunities for Church leaders to meet with government officials and other opinion leaders.
omiolo 1 year ago
This is like when the KKK used to surround the Black Churches yelling and making threats. Gays, STOP your hate.
omiolo 1 year ago
Fake news by fake Christians.
tidmus 1 year ago
For the record, Marriage is a religious ceremony. To my studies, no major (i.e. REAL!) religion has ever endorsed "2 -of-a-kind" as being a "marriage".
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher
For the record, marriage is a legal status and contract. If you want to burn incense and howl at the moon you are free to do so, as long as you get a license, witness, and notary.
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan You've got it all wrong, junior. While there are certain legalities involved in a marriage, it is still a religious ceremony, as evidenced by the fact that most marriages are conducted in a House of Worship: a church or synagogue of one sort of other. Civil ceremonies (as solemnized by a JP) are not normally religious. However, most people recognize them as being validly "married", which is why I resigned my Commission as a JP. I don't care to get sued for refusing to "marry" 2 men!
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher
Marriage predates religion. You really are an ignorant little fuck, do you think we don't have more experience debating this than a bunch of fire worshipping shit heads like you?
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan Ad Hominem attacks are sign of weakness in a debate and is the weapon of choice for those who do not have valid arguments to contribute.
SeabeeO 1 year ago
@SeabeeO
Naw, I can call you a little pussy all day long and it does change either the fact that I'm right or that you're a pussy.
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan First, I don't worship any "fire". Second, major organized religions dating back almost 6000 years cover enough time to give full validity to the general teachings that are followed by their adherents. In other words, their core values have stood the test of time.
Third, you show your true colors when you resort to profanity. I find that people who do that generally have a poor argument, so they try to sound important by resorting to profanity. Gutter language belongs in the gutter.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher Two atheists can get married, so clearly marriage is not a religious institution. Simply because your religion sees it as a sacrament doesn't mean everyone else does. If you were a JP like you say then you know that you have to obtain a marriage license from the state it is being granted in, not the church you belong to, and there is the difference.
salemmaman 8 months ago
@salemmaman Wrong. Marriage licenses are granted by the city or town, NOT the state government. You get them at the city/town clerk's office. NO priest, minister, or Rabbi is going to perform a ceremony for 2 atheists, thankfully, nor should a JP be forced to perform a solemnization when he or she believes that something is wrong. I believe a he/he or a she/she "marriage" is wrong, so I will not perform one. That is MY right! Find someone else to do the deed. I don't need the money that badly.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher Cities and towns derive their authority to issue marriage license from the state, so my point still stands. Marriage is a legal institution which religious institutions can get permission from the state to perform. We have a religious freedom clause in our Constitution that prevents anyone from trying to force religious institutions to practice anything that is against their beliefs. No one is asking you to "sanctify" a same sex marriage.
salemmaman 8 months ago
This reminds me of the KKK and other southerners that use to surround black churches in the south. Hate likes to surround and yell.
omiolo 1 year ago
We will have the right to jobs, housing, and services!
We will have the right to marry!
We will have our Liberty!
Blairtim69 1 year ago
@Blairtim69 you do NOT have the right to redefine marriage.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Marriage has evolved and changed throughout history.
Children can no longer be traded or sold into marriage,
Blacks can now marry, mixed races can now marry, and women have been liberated from the head & master laws. These are just in the U.S. and the last 140 years, and are not all the changes.
Even the bible supports different forms of marriage.
Polygamy, 1man&1wife, 1man&1wife&concubine, 1man&1wife&sex slave, just to name a few practiced and blessed by God.
Blairtim69 1 year ago
@omiolo marriage has been redefined in several states already, and the sky has not fallen. People of Massachusetts have had marriage equality for 6 years now, there and marriage flourishes there better than almost every single other state. In fact the best ranked educations by state shows all the states where same sex marriage is legal. You think this is a coincidence? Your religion doesn't own marriage, you can live your life without needing to control others you don't approve of.
salemmaman 1 year ago
@omiolo The Constitution of Ecuador defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. It also protects human life "from the moment of conception". GREAT document! The pro-abortion gang of thugs would have fits if we ever did that here in the USA. HEY! That's a GREAT idea!!!
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
@DeedsResearcher "The Constitution of Ecuador defines marriage as being between a man and a woman"
Yeah, 20 years ago, NOBODY thought that marriage would be redefined and so they would have to explicitly DEFINE it. Next I see us having to define, INCEST, VOTES, and PERSONAL responsibility.
omiolo 8 months ago
@omiolo Correct. The good people of Ecuador crafted a new Constitution just a few years ago. It's long, to be sure, but it has become the framework for their nation. It limits adoption to "different-sex couples" only. I really suggest that people READ IT before they try to judge it.
DeedsResearcher 8 months ago
Carindal George said, 'Catholics should be allowed to be prejudiced assholes in peace. They should be allowed to pretend that they are nice people, even while they support discrimination."
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan How much more "merde" is going to be spewed out by anti-Catholic bigots such as yourself? We don't "support" discrimination. We support the great historical traditions that have been handed down to us over the last 6000+ years. Thank God we have the Knights of Columbus to support those traditions.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher
The Knights Of Columbus is a hate group and Carl Anderson is a piece of shit. Ask yourself what the connection is between Carl Anderson and Mel Sembler.
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan Carl Anderson is a friend of mine. Yes, I'm a Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus, a Past Grand Knight, Past Faithful Navigator, Former District Deputy, and served 2 years on the Supreme Council. I will stand with Carl.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher
I don't give a damn if you're the Imperial Wizard.
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan I'm not. As for Ambassador Sembler, he was Jewish. As an FYI, I am also a Jew by birth. You have a problem with that, son? You'll probably never figure it out!
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher I'm a third degree Knight with our chapter 4442 in Salem, NH knighted by my grandfather with the family sword. He was 4th degree too, Big Deal. It doesn't mean I have been given more insight into politics or proper governance. All it means is that I promised to stand by my fellow knights and help our community. I'm part of that community too, and I deserve the same thing from my government because I am a member in good standing with that community, just like you.
salemmaman 1 year ago
@salemmaman You're a 3rd Degree Knight of Columbus? And you support same sex marriage? Interesting. When and where did you take your 3rd Degree? Just curious.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher 1992, the 500th anniversary of Columbus. Does that matter? I have a question for you; why did you try to claim that marriage has always been one man and one woman? As a fourth degree knight you know this to be untrue.
salemmaman 1 year ago
@salemmaman As far as I know, marriage has always been 1 man and 1 woman. Until the recent attempts to change that, I never knew of anything else. I was born Jewish, and under the rules of Orthodox Judaism (the most strict of Jewish observers) , marriage is 1 man and 1 woman. If you ask any Orthodox Rabbi, he will verify that. You can ask Stan Polan the same question.
Oh, I asked "when and where" for a very good reason. I'm still waiting for your answer.
A test: What does "VJ" mean?
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher I dont believe you are being honest. What prevents you from picking up the Bible and verifying this right now? do you need more examples?
salemmaman 1 year ago
@salemmaman And now I have good reason to doubt that you are a 3rd Degree K of C member! I've been totally honest with you, as I am with everyone. But if you cannot tell me the meaning of "VJ", then you either are not a Knight, or else you stopped after the 1st degree.
As for verifying: you made the claim, so it's up to you to prove it. Telling me to pick up my Bible is not proving anything at all.
Have a nice day.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher OK, I guess it is back to Bible study, here goes you argument: Genesis 4:19
"And Lamech took unto him two wives." Genesis 25:6 "But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had..." Genesis 26:34 "Esau ... took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite." Genesis 31:17 "Then Jacob rose up, and set ... his wives upon camels." That is in Genesis alone. Still want to argue that marriage is one man and one woman by God?"
salemmaman 1 year ago
@salemmaman Abraham was alive long before Moses. All (613) of the Jewish Commandments were given through Moses.
Nothing you have written says anything about male/male, or female/female. It is all male/female. I can think of one religion where they allow men to have more than one wife: Mormons. However, each wife and the resulting family must be kept separate from the others. The LDS does not recognize he/he or she/she. Read the BYU (Brigham Young University) Honor Code, for proof.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher Now you are changing what you said. You said in other posts right here that marriage has ALWAYS been one man and one woman. Either that is true or it is not.
salemmaman 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher I'm curious; how does someone post on Youtube without having a Youtube account? I notice when I click on your name that you have comments listed for the past 24 hours only, why is that?
salemmaman 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher If you want to verify my membership that is pretty easy to do. My name is John Hosty and my grandfather who passed away since is named Alphonse Krafton of the 4442; also a 4rth degree knight and veteran of WWII. I am not going to discuss openly the secrets involved, you shouldn't either. We both went through secret ceremonies, if you want to discuss them privately, that's fine.
salemmaman 1 year ago
@salemmaman You passed...sort of. The "test" was to see if you could also understand the meaning of the initials. If you ever read Columbia magazine you will see the actual words used therein. If it's used in Columbia (which is not just for Knights to read, I might add), then it's perfectly okay to use them, even in this setting.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher What should matter to you more are the principles that make the Knights special, and living those ideologies. Yes, I am gay. I'm also a good person who loves my neighbors and fellow Christians. We are all called to put our differences aside and love one another regardless of them. I've seen it said that homosexuality is our cross to bear, but what if it is actually yours? God calls us to love each other, what if by turning away GLBT people you are going against His will?
salemmaman 1 year ago
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DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher You just feel that the gay one doesn't deserve the same things your other daughter can take for granted, but you call that ethical? It is not, and you should open your eyes to that fact.
salemmaman 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher
Wow!
You have no problem with your gay daughter being treated as a second class citizen.
You don’t believe she should have the same right to a job, housing, and services as your other daughter.
You want her to live her short time on earth with no companion to share her life with.
How sad for you and her.
Blairtim69 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher
Bishop Lynch of St Petersburg lives in a large waterfront pool home. Some vow of poverty. He sexually harassed a male employee. Some vow of chastity. These men are lying hypocritical pigs.
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan Diocesan Priests do NOT take vows of poverty. Only those who join specific Orders such as the Benedictines take that vow. Nuns DO take vows of poverty. You claim he sexually abused someone? PROVE IT! If you have no proof,your claim is worthless. So, let's see the proof, or else I demand you recant your claim.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher
Demand all you want. Get a bucket and put your demands in it. Better yet, use Google.
Google "Church paid $100,000 to Bishop Lynch's aide"
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan To his aide? So what does that have to do with His Excellency? Did he file his tax return incorrectly?
SHEEEEESH!!!!!
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago
@DeedsResearcher What a farce. Just because we disagree we are supposed to be anti-Catholic all of the sudden. I got news for you; I'm Catholic too. People can disagree, you shouldn't try to make them out to be against Catholics because they disagree with you.
salemmaman 1 year ago
As to science, contrary to a source cited by Hansen that same-sex attractions are of purely biological origin, Dr. Francis S. Collins, former director of the National Human Genome Research Institute and the current director of the National Institutes of Health, reached a very different conclusion. Collins, in addressing the etiology of homosexuality in his book,
omiolo 1 year ago
The Language of God, offers the conclusion that homosexuality is "genetically influenced but not hardwired by DNA and that whatever genes are involved represent predispositions, not predeterminations."
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
God is a myth. There are hundreds of gods, and each one of them finds his way back to a myth, a lie, an attempt to add divine authority to human personality. Grow the hell up.
Americcan 1 year ago
@Americcan The only "myth" is the lines you are spewing out. Sorry, junior, but marriage has been universally recognized as 1 man and 1 women for the last 6000+ years.
DeedsResearcher 1 year ago