@RunColorado100 I didn't arrive at that conclusion, I said the properties of perfection is indestructibility; because if God was able to be destroyed he could not be perfect. Being short or being tall is a false analogy since those are not measures of viability.Of course it's a dumb statement, YOU thought of it (check mate) the property of perfection however is a measure of viability, therefore your counter argument wouldn't apply. Yes I brought the idea up, and you tried to weasel around it
Sometimes the truth is hard to accept...this is a fallen creation...Survival of the fittest...but in the end we all die...poor woman...I feel for her...she is angry...
cancer exists because of entropy. Life and our world is breaking down - the sun is burning out, galaxies are unravelling, human diseases are increasing (genetic diseases) proving that the world is breaking down and becoming disordered. That's what the Bible says - made perfect - moving continually to disorder/dysfunction. Science PROVES this. BUT it is the opposite of evolution which is supposed to advance the world.
@MrAliyak Well said..but Atheists for some reason...do not believe...but this is the explanation Ray gives more or less...but the lady did not want to hear it...
And he did use the example of our eyes being perfect, and only a creator could create them. Well, our eyes are not perfect, we have a blind spot and everyone has it because of how the eye is poorly designed. Evolution is natural, and isn't designed, it just happens with what ever works best. Squids and Octopuses have better designed eyes than us.
I totally understand her frustration. His answer was quite pathetic. If we're in a "fallen creation" that doesn't explain why we live more than 2 times longer than our near ancestors of just a few hundred years ago. In fact, we live longer and longer with the advancements of science. I don't believe he could answer that.
The bible answer is, that 'We were created perfect then sinned against God now we have cancer" among many other illness and disease. 'We are broken, fallen, sinful, and disgusting. We also have the physical evidence of divine creation/ our eyes, mouth, etc...
We live in a fallen, sin cursed world, lady. CANCER is a consequence of our fallen, sinful state. We are not in Eden, we live in a world where disease and death are normal because of our rebellion against God.
She's mad because she knows they're right... because if to her she really felt like it wasnt true what Kirk & Ray were saying then there will be no reason to argue or be mad because to them we're just worm food anyway... so anger is always a good sign that the person is being convicted by their God given conscience... You never see Ray & Kirk get mad not once because they're driven by God's love towards guilty sinners and they know they're fate and desperate need to repent and trus The Savior!!!
This comment group is fixed by the poster. I fully expect to be deleted, but the lady's question was a valid one....Ray douched over it and skipped. Why would anyone give anyone CANCER???.....oh, BTW....C-R-O-C-A-D-U-C-K!
Is this women retarded, doesn't she realize or most realize that most of the diseases we have today are men led? By that i meant by most of what we eat and drink leads to these diseases, natural cures for cancer(over 6) exist and natural ways of healing it exist with a success rate of over 85%. A institution in florida treats cancer patients naturally and cured a boy with a brain tumor within a weak feeding him the food god initially offered us. (not meat)
good answer , ray, that woman seems to fall into rage, really a ourburst like the previous comment,
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Let me answer to you as well, God created it perfect, but then Satan came in to destroy God's plan by deceiving eve to take that fruit and broke God's commandent for them not to take the fruit of the knowledge and good and evil. So that's how sin entered, and the human body became fallen... and have weaknesses, sicknesses and final death of the body, okay, does that make it clear to you, ms?
@hope1029384756 that's because the question was in respects to the claim of intelligent design that Ray priomotes, not a theological argument of how sin affects people.
@hope1029384756 Ohhh really so his argument for human suffering is baesd on a existance of a imaginary human who committed a sin aginst god. Really, If you can accept such an argument as a valid one then you have some serious problems with reasnoning and logic.
@hope1029384756 Ohhhh so his entire argument for human suffering is based on a existance of a imaginary human who committed sin against god. Really, I you can accept such an argument as a valid one then you have some serious problems with reason and logic.
These religious people can always seem to answer that bad things happen to good people as a test and to bad people as punishment, and good things happen to good people as a reward, but why do good things happen to bad people?
@mcdinkity First of all, we have no knowledge that it was an apple. All we know is that it was an apealing fruit. And the snake wasn't some magical talking snake. Satan possessed the snake, and Satan was the one talking. And yes, cancer is the result of sin, which came into the world when Eve ate the forbidden fruit.
@BuffyGracie Like Ray said, when everything was created, it was perfect. There was no disease or suffering. Cancer is a form of disease. It is caused by a mutation yes. But when sin entered the world and death by sin so did all suffering and death. The human body was corrupted just like everything else in the world was. When God created everything it was good. But sin changed everything that was created. Like a corrupt file on your computer, it is no longer the same as when it was made.
@SaintMichael82 Or Ray's just wanted to give an answer to fit his agenda which has little to do with the question this lady asks. she asked why cancers occur in a seemingly deliberately designed creation to function "properly" not why people suffer. The fault here is Comfort's
@Mahmood42978 It was answered we live in a fallen world...everyone will die...this is not normal..dying is not normal....by the sin of one man death entered the world that is why there is cancer and disease...men does not have the answer to death...only Jesus Christ who rose from the dead....
@RunColorado100 That's a weak answer because it contradicts that things were preordainedly designed to be a certain way by saying that design was altered.
contradiction- you must understand, an answer is not ust ANY response but a VALID one, the one you and Ray Comfort gives is not valid as it contradicts itself.
@Mahmood42978 How does it contradict himself... my car is designed to drive and it brakes down...you do not have a point...........Ray comfort does not contradict himself he is explaining why thru sin death entered the world...that is why my heart and your heart will stop beating soon...God created us but has passed judgement....death because of our sin..but the lady does not want to listen...Why is she angry at Ray? Isn't this just a debate...She is angry at God...seems to me...
@Mahmood42978 This was a perfect creation and then became a fallen creation...by sin...this is so simple and it was explained by Ray Comfort...we see it all around us...we see death everyday and we know in our hearts this is not normal...so here is the explanation...if you think is weak speak to God...He listens to all men......
@RunColorado100 I understand the original argument; but it gets nullified when you make mention of a "fallen creation" because then things cannot be "intelligently designed" in the manner you speak of if they're fallen, quite the contrary, the idea of a "fallen" or "altered" implies a modification. Thus nullifies design.
do I need to break it down in simpler words for you? This lady is getting upset not out of arrogance but because when examined rationally, the claim is self defeating
@Mahmood42978 That is just a nonsense argument...so I cannot mention a fallen creation in your argument...this is reality around you and the Bible explains if you do not want to recognize it...a modification nullifies a design...that is just nonsense....how many cars are modified yearly..lol...examined rationally..she did not bring rationality to this argument...or did you not listen and heard how angry she is...wow...
@Mahmood42978 Obviously you heard a truthful answer and he is not contradicting himself..your argument...is not coherent ..What is it that you do not understand ...God made everything perfect and when Adam sinned death enter the world...this is the Judgement of God...what is the problem in understanding this...lol..you are willfully blind or are you a Satanist..?
@RunColorado100 Right and if God made eveyrthing perfect, then it couldn't be altered, altered = flawed , flawed= modifiable modifiable = evolved. The argument thus contradicts itself.
I'm just logical, I guess Logic is now a work of the devil for you?
@Mahmood42978 Your argument is obviously nonsense....a the fallen world means it is not evolving it is braking down...flawed does not mean modifiable or evolved you are just stating nonsense ...a 100 species have disappeared from the face of the earth...that is not evolution..that is the death of the species...what did they evolve to..lol...o wait..they could not evolve fast enough...your argument does not make any sense you are not logical...obviously...
@RunColorado100 You need to reexamine what evolution means. Evolution just means change/modification which can be breaking down OR building up. While some species die out OTHER species thrive and EVOLVE into other species. I never said flawed means modifiable, flawed= modifiable, something flawed can be modified.
the issue is Ray Comfort's argument is flawed and contradictory; and I showed why.....it is YOU who are Angry at those who Value Truth, so you don't want to accept it.
@Mahmood42978 Again it was asked and answered...God created this world perfect and because of sin it became a fallen world...or do you not understand the word entropy...men brought this upon himself by disobeying God...so please stop with the logic nonsense...this is truth..you just don't want to listen to it...
@RunColorado100 yes and once again the answer given is faulty because it contradicts itself and it was a red herring (irrelevant) to the premise of the question. Just responding to something doesn't mean it answers.
@Mahmood42978 Well again this is nonsense...and there is no contradiction...but lets agree to disagree..just saying it contradicts itself and explaining that flawed=modified = evolved..is utter nonsense..sorry but you are not logical...lets agree to disagree...this is ridiculous same as the lady speaking she has crazy eyes...
@Mahmood42978 Nonsense...she threw a tirade...she is not logical or wants arrive to a conclusion....shes just yelling..it is funny you can read her mind now..lol..
@RunColorado100 she was justified, Ray comfort was deceitfully trying to change the subject. She actually should be commended for exposing Ray Comfort's shameful and immoral tactics.
you're being intellectually dishonest; this is the Proper Biological use of the word evolution from The American Heritage dictionary
"Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift."
genetic change causing specification. entropy doesn't factor into it. entropy of dense matter happens at geologic time scales. Your understanding of thermodynamics is wrong and doesn't refute evolution
@Mahmood42978 It is obvious that we die...everything dies...this is a fallen world...it does not matter what words you use...we will all die...so stop splitting hairs.....lol..entropy factors into everything in the Universe...sorry but you see it every day....
@RunColorado100 These aren't splitting hairs, I don't deny we'll die, but that this is not a product of "design" in the way Christian Creationists use
entropy doesn't factor into things the way you're describing it, rocks eroding operates on a much different way than gene mutations causing speciation.
you're in fact misusing the concept of thermodynamics. You forget Enthalpy counter balances entropy.
@Mahmood42978 The definition of entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often... Lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
The systems or design created by God is falling into disorder we can see it all around us every day 24/7....
@RunColorado100 right and enthalpy prevents a lack of order, because it takes more energy to create that disorder......if things were undergoing linearly increasing entropy then there would be no molecular bonds.
You've never studied chemistry or physics have you?
@Mahmood42978 I can run circles around you in Chemistry and physics but I have made my point you are just spewing nonsense same as this lady..you do not want to find truth you just want to think you are right...lol...
@RunColorado100 Please do; don't be a coward like Ray Comfort and avoid questions by changing the subject. Explain what Entropy-Enthalpy Compensation is please.
@Mahmood42978 You need to define evolution...why instead of using the world evolution..we say Change....obviously you do not know the meaning of evolution...here it is:
The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.
This is not what is happening in this world...it is disorder or entropy...if you construct a house made of stone and leave it there for years it will disappear...entropy..you need to think more..lol..
@Mahmood42978 It was obviously altered when Adam sinned...this was explained but again, you can make a perfect automobile but if you make the wrong decision and wreck it...it can obviously change...perfection does not mean can obviously change to imperfection..that is what happened with the creation...God's creation was perfect until Adam's sin wrecked this world...that is my last explanation..you are just splitting hairs..listen and understand instead of being a willfully blindman
@RunColorado100 A "Perfect" automobile would never change its operational condition, So that contradicts the premise, if it can be wrecked it wasn't perfect, but flawed and susceptible.to deterioration.
@Mahmood42978 According to you something perfect cannot be wrecked ...where does it say that...lol..that is nonsense...perfect does not mean indestructible...could you show me a definition that perfect means indestructible..perfect just means without flaws...not that it cannot be destroyed..tell where in what world or dictionary you can find this...what nonsense....lol
@Mahmood42978 NO it does not say indestructible..you are just reading in to it...please..you could not find any dictionary saying indestructible..shortcomings means....
A failure to meet a certain standard; a fault or defect....not indestructible....destructible is not a defect or short coming..that is just stupidity..you are just trying to fit your logic so it will not sound like nonsense..please..you are not dealing with someone without a brain...lol..
@Mahmood42978 This will never end...I showed your logical thinking is wrong sorry...show me anywhere that being destructible means to be flawed..or shortcoming...nonsense...I have said what I have said I have shown proof and still you are willfully blind..well..what can I do..lo..go to sleep....
@RunColorado100 You didnt show me anything you merely said "no no no" and you contradicted yourself. You're saying things "breakdown" i.e. become destroyed because they're fallen i.e. imperfect i.e. flawed , hence that implies Perfect means not susceptible to those defects, it can't be destroyed or "breakdown".
All you're doing is repeating the same thing you said previously which was already refted. This is not logic
you didn't show proof; I honed in that you ignored enthalpy.
@Mahmood42978 Can something be perfect and be able to destroyed? yes ..obviously I am right. so your logic just does not compute. So please stop saying nonsense.....
@RunColorado100 saying obviously you're right doesn't mean it is so
If God cannot be perfect if he is destructible; this means that perfect means that it cannot be destroyed. This is a property of perfection. Unless you think God can still be perfect and destroyed LOL
saying "obviously you're right" is and affirming your claim is not LOGICAL at all. in the least It's called Circular Logic.
@Mahmood42978 Obviously we are talking about a design about the creator of this world..not about God...now who is changing the argument...God cannot be created or destroyed....he was not designed.....but that is another issue....so please do not say checkmate..because you don't even know how to play that game and I m a master..lol..the issue is what God designed not God...so please stick to the issue...
@RunColorado100 You're committing a logical fallacy called special pleading. If God can't be destroyed, because according to you God is perfect. So perfection has the property of indestructibility. You can't say perfection implies indestructibly in one case and the opposite in another case. This is a contradiction.
Have good night, you lost the debate. . Checkmate :)
@Mahmood42978 Not really...I said that God cannot be created or destroyed...not that perfection equaled indestructibility....so you cannot deduce perfection = indestructibility. How do you come to that conclusion...I never said perfection = indestructibility...you logic brakes down here...God has many attributes but one attribute does not equal the other..you are the one who stated this and came to the wrong conclusion what kind of twisted logic that perfection = indestructibility.
@RunColorado100 You can, because if God could be destroyed, would he still be perfect? No. which means a property of perfection is being indestructible. You're making a straw man argument. I never said you claimed you associated perfection is indestructibility.
God thus cannot be perfect without being indestructible. Thus perfection is a property of indestructibility.
@Mahmood42978 If God is perfect how does it follow that perfection has something to do with being indestructible..show me how you arrived at that conclusion..It like saying God is perfect and also tall therefore perfection means being tall...lol..Checkmate...what an idiotic statement you just made...lol..Logically you are not very bright...
@RunColorado100 really because it seemed you returned after saying good night ,
you evading the issue of "God's indestructibility" as an attribute of your belief that he is perfect,, isn't making me look foolish, it makes you look foolish an also stuck in your inability to redeem your argument
@Mahmood42978 You have not told me at how you arrived at the idea that perfection = indestructibility....lol..like I said if God had the attribute of being perfect and short(this is just an example)..you cannot say God is perfect therefore he is also being perfect = being short..that is a dumb statement...each attribute is separate and one attribute does not relate to the other...perfect does not mean indestructible...you brought that idea up...and it is idiotic..you have lost.
@Mahmood42978 Check and mate...good night I going to watch a movie instead of debating nonsense..lol..God is real deal with it...A fool says in his heart there is no God...food for thought...although your thoughts are kind of twisted....shocran!!!!
@Mahmood42978 This earth was made perfect and with Adams sin it became a fallen creation...deal with it....or blind yourself it is your choice...bye..
@Mahmood42978 This earth was made perfect and with Adams sin it became a fallen creation...deal with it....or blind yourself it is your choice...bye..
@Mahmood42978 First show me that the word destructible is a flaw...and then we will continue with entropy and enthalpy one issue at a time...when you show me this...and it should not be difficult ....and I don't mean your interpretation of flawed or short coming...show me a dictionary saying this ..and do not interpret for me...thank you and we will continue....
@Mahmood42978 Show me the definition of perfect saying this...this is just your wrong interpretation of perfect...show me where in what dictionary....please give me a link..obviously there is none...what an idiotic way to be logical..if that is logic...wow..it is idiotic..lol..
i simply am terrified of what our future is gnna be like, even einstien said there needs to be a god the greatest physicist of all time said this, he didnt know which one was the correct god but that this reality had to be designed and created, lets have a match up richard dawkins , or good old albert...........
when i go to my school it seems the christian teens are respectful and do well never get in trouble and actually say yes sir and mam, while the athiests do whatever they want cuss out the teachers, and admit to people they are whores, wow look at the times we live in ..............
He answered the question perfectly, just as the bible says. Problem with this women is she doesn't want to believe so she has been given over to a powerful lie.
@devonbiker I still say the bible and that religion is a lie because we are not suposed to suffer for our fathers transgressions so why are we? He ate the fruit not us it just doesn't make scence. If you want to respond I would be happy to read any comments you have. I'm not trying to argue and I guess this is in a way but I just want to understand what I don't.
@Belial21319 Who says we are not "supposed" to suffer for our fathers transgressions? The bible clearly says we are living in a fallen world because of mans sin. Secondly, God says the sins of the fathers will be visited by up to the 4th generation in that family. Exo 34:7. This is not necessarily punishment but the way sin works. Sin has power over people and that what Jesus came to break, if you make him Lord.
@devonbiker That does clear up some questions so for that thank you and so you don't have to reply to my comments on youtube my email address is mathewsg14@yahoo.com. I should just buy the books I used to be a mormon but not by choice so I never staid with it.
@Belial21319 I'm very happy to discuss with you. Answering your question about Adam & Eve rebelling against God, God warned them what would happen but Eve was deceived by Satan and Adam clearly disobeyed! Satan is working flat out in these end times to deceive people from the truth and if you are not in Christ you are deceived!
@hansson2000 Im sorry to hear you have cancer, and its not your fault, Dont listen to kirk and banana guy, they are idoits. Live your life with no regrets the way YOU want to :) Best of luck to you.
@BFFL16 She is getting angry because he is not addressing the question about the eye and instead he is going into the whole suffering thing "also see that woman has no love in her heart" How could you know that?
the enemy is getting upset and angry of the holy spirit in the room. poeple are crying out and getting upset becasue ray is not saying "cancer". also you see how that woman has no love in her heart. she is lashing out because she is feeling wronged. she needs to open her heart and recieve what ray is saying. anger and unbelief is not a pretty site on poeple. thats plain to see on some in the room.
the lady is gettin all mad because ray said suffering instead of cancer. doesnt she know that is the same thing? dieases all tie in the same thing. and plus the atheist get off subject when it comes to asking if God is real. they go off on a tagent talkin about the Government and fossils.... what?! get over choice of words please and come togther and reason. isnt that what everyone said in the begining of the debate. "we were gonna reason" and "we're all friends"?
Then why all the creation was let to fall by sin of one man ? Lets assume that God is all knowing and all mighty as it is said. In practical sense, God knew that sin would be committed to bring all this bs into the world.Why allow it to happen ? God cannot "test faith" on anyone, for testing and experiments are done to see what will happen or, prove a theory. But with the premise that God is all knowing, he knew sin would be done. Is there some fate above God that he cant fight back against ?
Why is that lady so angry with them? Wow. I just don't see why she should be that angry. I feel like she is upset because they believe in something she doesn't and she didn't need to have such an outburst. My goodness. It truly makes me sad that people can be that mean.
@Dianna129 Well i find these debates to be very... personal. you wouldn't argue with someone like that in your daily life, but he signed up to take the big punches, and when he tried to throw in the towel, the woman had every right to be upset. When you dance around a question with no real answer, it means you don't have one.
This is what Christianity calls the spiritual war. It looks as if she will spit fire out of her eyes!! The demonic spirit in her simply cannot take it!! Yes, it is difficult to comprehend with rational mind why would anyone get so extremely upset for some debate or whatever. It is far more than a simple debate for sure...scary.
Suffering and cancer are not equal. Yes, people suffer when they have cancer, but suffering is normally caused by an external force. Many infections and diseases are caused by viruses and bacteria that are foreign to our bodies. Cancer is always caused by a faulty gene, mostly gene p53, that causes an explosion in cellular growth that, if left untreated, will eventually result in death. Our genes are a part of us, therefore are also an imperfection of our "perfect" bodies.
Okay I heard the ladies question about cancer, okay the point that I believe Ray was trying to make in concern to Cancer that Cancer is equal to suffering along with everything else such as death, diseases, hunger, etc etc = suffering she was asking about cancer and avoided the fact that cancer is all apart of the "suffering" that the human body deals with but on his defense he explains a biblical reason for it. Yes he lacks the physical evidence of why it happens but to defend his belief
5f. children in public many times before: at the mall, at the metro, at the grocery store, and all the people around including myself, thought nothing of it. A little smack on the bum would hardly be considered traumatizing. Be sure to read the essay I'm sending you. ' f ' = my 6th time commenting on this video. PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY NUMBERED THREADED COMMENTS STARTING WITH #1f
4f. very people he created if it wasn't absolutely necessary. If you saw a mother spanking her child for misbehaving in public, although you may not agree with her method at least you would understand it. if you never witnessed how much of a nuisance the child was being then you would think she's the bad guy, and no you would not have the right to stop her because it's her child not yours. There's a difference between abusing a child and spanking a child. I've seen women spank their
3f. When God decided to allow his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to be sacrificed for our sins, as gruesome and evil as Jesus' death on the cross was, it was the lesser of two evils. It was either Jesus being tortured for the moment, or for us to be tortured in hell for all eternity. God is love, sometimes Love can be tough when necessary. Love sacrifices. God could've easily spared his only begotten son the evil of being degraded, abused, and crucified at the hands of the
2f. making a mistake. Anti-Spanking Parents should consider the fact that sometimes in life making the right decision involves choosing the lesser evil of two undesirable choices.... for more info. I will be sending you an essay I wrote concerning this topic to your youtube inbox. To anyone else who might be interested in reading the essay, the essay is available upon request, just send a message to my youtube inbox and I'll be glad to share it with you.
1f. @prea66 I think it would be wonderful if we lived in a world where human beings just had a natural inclination to be good without having to try so hard, because we wouldn't have to deal with the issue of deciding what proper way to deal with children's inevitable unruly behaviors. Obviously Not all parents use the same method of raising their children. To those who don't subscribe to the method of spanking for their children at all, although their intentions may be noble, I think they are
20e. "e" = my 5th time commenting on this video. PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY NUMBERED THREADED COMMENTS STARTING WITH #1e The Answer to the Truth for the abundance of many Falsehoods does not require a quick answer.
19e. reading this, Jesus, God the son, who manifested himself in the flesh is the physical proof you are always asking for of God's existence. No man has ever come back from the dead except Jesus. No human has ever gone through this life without sinning once or twice in his or her lifetime. Frankly speaking it is impossible for the nicest of human beings to count the number of times he or she has sinned in his or her lifetime, let alone not ever sinning once.
18e. to help you. The bible was honest when God said in his word that it would be difficult to follow after Truth & righteousness. Jesus never promised it would be easy, but this life is short compared to eternity, so it is well worth the risk. Many people have killed others, thinking they were doing God a service. God knows about the struggles of doing what we know to be the Truth, which is why he promised us a reward in heaven. To all my other Atheist brothers & sisters out there, who may be
17e. until the judgement day when you will surely be found guilty of sin. I know I am a sinner, and you know you are a sinner. Everybody is a sinner. You don't have to be like the thief on the cross who mocked Jesus. You can accept his forgiveness for your sins today, if you're willing to receive the only full assurance of salvation for all Mankind, Easterners & Westerners. If you do decide to accept Jesus, be warned of the fact that it would be difficult, but God will send you his Holy spirit
16e. deceptions. You should not be as concerned with what Men might do to you should you decide to defect from following Allah. The pains and sufferings in this world are temporary. The bible says "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." The God of the bible is the true, complete, living God who can forgive you right now. You don't have to risk waiting
15e. that the bible acknowledged Mankind has become infected by through Adam. Thankfully God in his loving mercy decided to sacrifice a piece of himself, God the Son, Jesus, to reverse the curse of Sin. God is patient with us. God is not willing that any man should perish for all eternity. Allah commands his misguided followers to kill the infidels. The undeniable fact is Allah himself claimed to be the greatest deceiver of all, so I'm sorry if in my objective opinion I refuse to buy into his
14e. humans do to deserve such a treatment from this loving God? They Sinned. Those people who received harsh judgements in the bible weren't blameless. You and I are not blameless either; the mere fact that we are still alive is proof of how merciful and how slow to judgement he is. If God decided to kill us all as he did in the days of Noah with the flood, he would be just. Humans have committed all the forms of atrocities on earth that can ever be thought of. Sin is the disease
13e. begotten son to take our sinful punishment upon his sinless self, so that we may put on his perfection. Rather than questioning this loving God of the bible who has given us the opportunity to be called Sons and Daughters of God as Adam and Eve were in the beginning before the Fall of Mankind. Unlike some self proclaiming gods who relegate us to being just mere slaves and servants of his Lordship, the question we need to ask is, what did those
12e. If I were to walk in on a mother spanking her child without witnessing the moment when her child began to misbehave, I may be inclined to believe that such a woman is an abusive mother. In the same regard, the seemingly ugly passages of the bible that a lot of people like to use to argue against the bible about God's judgement should not make us question God's nature, since the very same God of the bible made a huge loving sacrifice by sending his only
@fanspeek If I were to walk in on a mother spanking her child whether or not I had witnessed the child misbehaving, I would immediately stop the mother. It has been shown that spanking does not deter bad behavior any more than passive forms of punishment, but can cause problems in the future.
11e. personally respect the bible is because it doesn't try to paint a pretty picture, instead it presents the truth for what it is no matter how grotesque looking it may seem at times. That's why you should trust it. The Truth is Mankind indeed fell from glory which only the bible acknowledges, therefore there is no system that has the involvement of man that would not at some point end up looking bad in one way or another. God is good, but sometimes humans make God look bad.
10e. uncreated God. God is the only one who is self sustained. Jesus, the son that has always been uncreated, came to earth legally, by birth, having a dirt body that allowed for God's kingdom to be legally established on earth once again. Salvation for mankind required a long step by step process that was accurately documented in the bible. Sure there were times when God had to be firm with a lot of the rebellious people in the bible.One of the main reasons why I
9e. always been a Triune God as the only the bible claimed, Why, because it means that he is not in need of me, not in need of you, not in need of the angels, nor in need of anybody. He can talk to himself. God the Father can talk to God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God the Holy Spirit can talk to God the Son, and God the Father. God the Son can talk to the Father and the Holy Spirit. They can communicate without any need of any angelic or human creature. That is the complete
8e. God was a talking God, with whom was he talking to? FACT: God in eternity past was a loving God. QUESTION: If God was a loving God, then who did he love? FACT: He was a hearing God, Who exactly did he hear from? He was a seeing God, who did he see? Therefore If God has always been the same yesterday today and forever, To be a complete God, he definitely must have always been a Triune God as the bible accurately claims. The only logical uncreated God must have
7e. Holy Spirit be one God? Well, we humans have limited minds, but nevertheless Let us imagine: The holy God in eternity past, before he created the heavens and the earth, before he created the angels, before he created man. Was he a complete or an incomplete God? Was he self sufficient, or did he need some other creature to complete him? These are legitimate questions that we must consider for ourselves. The Fact is, God in eternity past was a talking God. Question: If
6e. forgiven now, and how our sins can be washed away whiter than snow from heaven's perfect record system that we may be found blameless as though we never once sinned before, was Jesus Christ the Son of God. Jesus is the Son of God and I will break down to you exactly how he is the son of God because I love you and I don't want to see anyone go to hell. The bible talks about how God is a Triune God. You may be wondering, how can God the Father, God the Son, and God the
5e. universe to end up at. I don't know about you but I need a full proof assurance that I can be saved from the unimaginable horrors of hell, and my savior, Jesus, provided me that. The message of the bible is all about Jesus, so yes, it should not come as a surprise to you why I love to Quote him so. Out of all the claimed teachers, preachers, prophets, messengers, in the world the only person that gave Mankind the full assurance of salvation before the Judgement day, and that we can be
4e. mercy, the real God will judge you according to your sins. God is a just God, he cannot be bribed with good works as our human judges can be bribed sometimes. You need to be fully assured that your sins can be forgiven, not until judgement day, but NOW!! An Eternity in Hell is not something you can take chances with and expect that maybe Allah may forgive. Maybe is not good enough!! From all I have heard from NDE accounts, and people like Bill Wiese, Hell is the worst place in the entire
3e. human brethren does not come from the God of LIGHT/TRUTH/LOVE, No! such hatred comes from the Prince of Darkness/Falsehood/Evil. Allah never promised anyone would be forgiven of their sins until the day of judgement, not even for Muhammed. Anyone who is well versed on how the Justice System works knows that if show you up in a court room without having your crimes/sins being acquitted, justice demands that you be judged accordingly. If you wait until judgement day for Allah to show you
2e. The bible says "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; " In reality Demons do not tremble at the sound of Allah's name, they tremble at the name of Jesus. The same hatred that Allah has for the Jews is the same hatred that "Lucifer", the god of the illuminati, has for the Jews. This is made evident when you study why Hitler who was an illuminist, hated the jews so much. Hatred inspired against your fellow
1e. @a1saouse I take it you did not read the 66 Threaded comments I posted on this video
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The premises for why I believe Allah to be a foul, deceitful liar, I broke down there. The bible says Jesus died for all mankind not just the easterners or the westerners.
Do you really want me to repost all my 66 comments or are u just afraid the facts that I laid out may not line up with what you hold as Truth. Truth does not conform to Man, Man must conform to Truth.
5d. "d" = my 4th time commenting on this video. PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY NUMBERED THREADED COMMENTS STARTING WITH #1, AS WELL AS ALL THE COMMENTS I POSTED ON THIS OTHER VIDEO:
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p.s. I don't expect you to respond to my comments as hastily as you have with all my previous comments. If you want to refute my position of what I consider to be the Ultimate Truth, you at least have to be aware of the premises that my beliefs are built upon.
@fanspeek I am aware of the premises that your beliefs are built upon... they rely on a book thats bean edited through out history. for example the helper you say is the holy spirit but the holy spirit never works alone. Again christians added their two cents and came to the conclusion that the helper is the holy spirit. -which is true but the holy spirit is upon Mohamed.Its in the Torah still you will not find it in the bible psalms you christians took it out. you take-add things to your liking
4d. entity "Allah." Allah claimed to be the greatest deceiver of all. One of the attributes of the God of the bible is that he cannot lie. No no, Lucifer, who has become the god of this world, is the greatest deceiver of all. Why do you think all the illuminists like Jay-z, Led zeppelin all worship the devil. As I mentioned among many things on that video, If you ask any Satanist what the devil's real name is, they will tell you that their master's name is "Lucifer" not "Iblis" That is a Fact.
@fanspeek I watched the video.... why do you keep directing me to videos... its not about videos its about what the bible says and I'm sick of it saying one thing and christians doing another. the truth is America is not ready for any middle eastern god cz this god you worship is middle eastern not western this god is of the Jews. if you did any of what the bible says to keep this Jewish god happy you'll go to jail.
3d. There are countless more stories of people who can testify to the power behind the name of Jesus, former witches, former occultists, alien abduction victims. The harsh reality & Truth is that many of my muslim brothers & sisters have been mislead by the crafty deceptions of the devil. At this point I would suggest for you to read my comments on this other video that I am about to direct you to, because with my comments on there, I really broke things down on why no human should trust the
2d. other names, but the demon did not budge. The bible gave Mankind the correct and effective method to deal with all kinds of spirits. There are no good Djinns or demons. The bible says that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow. This muslim was astounded because when he heard an audible voice that instructed him to apply the name of Jesus, the demon fled for dear life. My mom experienced a sleep paralysis attack once, same thing, when she called on the name of Jesus she was delivered.
1d. @a1saouse Actually, the helper that Jesus/God the son spoke about was the help of the Holy-Spirit, Who would fill us with his spiritual nourishment & power to wage warfare against the kingdom of darkness. You obviously did not watch that video, because this muslim brother talked about how he was attacked by an evil demonic spirit that he identified as a djinn at the time. While engaging this spirit he called on the name of Allah whose name according to the Qur'an is supposed to be above all
@a1saouse I employ to watch all the videos I sent you b4 including this video that I am about to share with you. Jesus never commanded us to fight any particular group as Allah did against the Jews. Jesus commanded us to love our enemies which to a lot of people, is a revolutionary concept. God loves all people of all faiths, but they have to understand that without Jesus, no man can be saved. Check out this testimony of a former muslim.
@fanspeek THIS IS THE THING ABOUT YOU CHRISTIANS you constantly quote Jesus to your advantage. You forget that Jesus tell the apostles; he must go away or the helper will not come and the helper is Mohamed. -And its another ending story with you christians that Allah is how you say god in Arabic even Jesus said Allah cuz Jesus spoke Aramaic, Its like saying god in Spanish Dios or Latin Deos. -God(Allah) kills Jews like god( Dios) kills Egyptians,when God had Moses raise his staff and killed .
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@RunColorado100 I didn't arrive at that conclusion, I said the properties of perfection is indestructibility; because if God was able to be destroyed he could not be perfect. Being short or being tall is a false analogy since those are not measures of viability.Of course it's a dumb statement, YOU thought of it (check mate) the property of perfection however is a measure of viability, therefore your counter argument wouldn't apply. Yes I brought the idea up, and you tried to weasel around it
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
Sometimes the truth is hard to accept...this is a fallen creation...Survival of the fittest...but in the end we all die...poor woman...I feel for her...she is angry...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
cancer exists because of entropy. Life and our world is breaking down - the sun is burning out, galaxies are unravelling, human diseases are increasing (genetic diseases) proving that the world is breaking down and becoming disordered. That's what the Bible says - made perfect - moving continually to disorder/dysfunction. Science PROVES this. BUT it is the opposite of evolution which is supposed to advance the world.
MrAliyak 2 weeks ago
@MrAliyak Well said..but Atheists for some reason...do not believe...but this is the explanation Ray gives more or less...but the lady did not want to hear it...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
No kidding! This woman's elevator doesn't go up to the top floor! That is very obvious!
leemehan 2 weeks ago
That woman needs to be slapped on the face.
unico5616 2 weeks ago
@unico5616 Ray needs his bananas shoved back inside him since he loves them so much
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
Very logical Biblical answer. Unsaved people are blind to the truth and hate God.
Psylliumhead 4 weeks ago
And he did use the example of our eyes being perfect, and only a creator could create them. Well, our eyes are not perfect, we have a blind spot and everyone has it because of how the eye is poorly designed. Evolution is natural, and isn't designed, it just happens with what ever works best. Squids and Octopuses have better designed eyes than us.
oleanick 4 weeks ago
I totally understand her frustration. His answer was quite pathetic. If we're in a "fallen creation" that doesn't explain why we live more than 2 times longer than our near ancestors of just a few hundred years ago. In fact, we live longer and longer with the advancements of science. I don't believe he could answer that.
oleanick 4 weeks ago
The bible answer is, that 'We were created perfect then sinned against God now we have cancer" among many other illness and disease. 'We are broken, fallen, sinful, and disgusting. We also have the physical evidence of divine creation/ our eyes, mouth, etc...
Thats the bible answer, it doesn't make it true.
shimwah 1 month ago
We live in a fallen, sin cursed world, lady. CANCER is a consequence of our fallen, sinful state. We are not in Eden, we live in a world where disease and death are normal because of our rebellion against God.
luvmusic09 1 month ago
She's mad because she knows they're right... because if to her she really felt like it wasnt true what Kirk & Ray were saying then there will be no reason to argue or be mad because to them we're just worm food anyway... so anger is always a good sign that the person is being convicted by their God given conscience... You never see Ray & Kirk get mad not once because they're driven by God's love towards guilty sinners and they know they're fate and desperate need to repent and trus The Savior!!!
Youngbiggavell 1 month ago
man that lady looks crazy!!! she needs god
1kaitae 1 month ago
This comment group is fixed by the poster. I fully expect to be deleted, but the lady's question was a valid one....Ray douched over it and skipped. Why would anyone give anyone CANCER???.....oh, BTW....C-R-O-C-A-D-U-C-K!
bryanttillman 1 month ago
Is this women retarded, doesn't she realize or most realize that most of the diseases we have today are men led? By that i meant by most of what we eat and drink leads to these diseases, natural cures for cancer(over 6) exist and natural ways of healing it exist with a success rate of over 85%. A institution in florida treats cancer patients naturally and cured a boy with a brain tumor within a weak feeding him the food god initially offered us. (not meat)
kingseho 1 month ago
good answer , ray, that woman seems to fall into rage, really a ourburst like the previous comment,
Ms:
Let me answer to you as well, God created it perfect, but then Satan came in to destroy God's plan by deceiving eve to take that fruit and broke God's commandent for them not to take the fruit of the knowledge and good and evil. So that's how sin entered, and the human body became fallen... and have weaknesses, sicknesses and final death of the body, okay, does that make it clear to you, ms?
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WOW!!!! Sounds like she (woman freaking out) doesn't understand why sin made everything imperfect!!! Good answer Ray!
hope1029384756 2 months ago
@hope1029384756 that's because the question was in respects to the claim of intelligent design that Ray priomotes, not a theological argument of how sin affects people.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@hope1029384756 Ohhh really so his argument for human suffering is baesd on a existance of a imaginary human who committed a sin aginst god. Really, If you can accept such an argument as a valid one then you have some serious problems with reasnoning and logic.
TheChosenOne2902 3 weeks ago
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@hope1029384756 Ohhhh so his entire argument for human suffering is based on a existance of a imaginary human who committed sin against god. Really, I you can accept such an argument as a valid one then you have some serious problems with reason and logic.
TheChosenOne2902 3 weeks ago
Yes, we have suffering cause god hates us for the sins of his favorite pet. Man, what a retard excuse of a god this jewish construct.
preetor1 2 months ago
The woman asked her question the wrong way. That is why Ray answered it the way he did. This was said 2 yrs ago.
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richcredstar 2 months ago
AHHH! 2:24 is terrifying.
Hadeydeppio 2 months ago
These religious people can always seem to answer that bad things happen to good people as a test and to bad people as punishment, and good things happen to good people as a reward, but why do good things happen to bad people?
ForTheLoveOfAnimals3 2 months ago
@ForTheLoveOfAnimals3 Because we live in a fallen world the chance of bad things happening to good people is inevitable.
crazyman2994 2 months ago
so people get cancer coz some woman took an apple off a tree 6000 years ago because a talking snake told her too
mcdinkity 2 months ago
@mcdinkity First of all, we have no knowledge that it was an apple. All we know is that it was an apealing fruit. And the snake wasn't some magical talking snake. Satan possessed the snake, and Satan was the one talking. And yes, cancer is the result of sin, which came into the world when Eve ate the forbidden fruit.
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@MissLeanaFaith if you believe that is anything other than a fairy story theres no point arguing
mcdinkity 2 months ago
@mcdinkity I'm jsut answering you question, I had no intention of arguing
MissLeanaFaith 2 months ago
This lady almost wanted to cry, it looked like, and the yelling... Touch her heart and soul Lord Jesus!
Lovesthesecrettolife 2 months ago
@BuffyGracie Like Ray said, when everything was created, it was perfect. There was no disease or suffering. Cancer is a form of disease. It is caused by a mutation yes. But when sin entered the world and death by sin so did all suffering and death. The human body was corrupted just like everything else in the world was. When God created everything it was good. But sin changed everything that was created. Like a corrupt file on your computer, it is no longer the same as when it was made.
eddiesells2010 3 months ago
The aul woman didn't want to understand the answer. It didn't fit her agenda.
SaintMichael82 3 months ago 2
@SaintMichael82 Or Ray's just wanted to give an answer to fit his agenda which has little to do with the question this lady asks. she asked why cancers occur in a seemingly deliberately designed creation to function "properly" not why people suffer. The fault here is Comfort's
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978 It was answered we live in a fallen world...everyone will die...this is not normal..dying is not normal....by the sin of one man death entered the world that is why there is cancer and disease...men does not have the answer to death...only Jesus Christ who rose from the dead....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 That's a weak answer because it contradicts that things were preordainedly designed to be a certain way by saying that design was altered.
contradiction- you must understand, an answer is not ust ANY response but a VALID one, the one you and Ray Comfort gives is not valid as it contradicts itself.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 How does it contradict himself... my car is designed to drive and it brakes down...you do not have a point...........Ray comfort does not contradict himself he is explaining why thru sin death entered the world...that is why my heart and your heart will stop beating soon...God created us but has passed judgement....death because of our sin..but the lady does not want to listen...Why is she angry at Ray? Isn't this just a debate...She is angry at God...seems to me...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 This was a perfect creation and then became a fallen creation...by sin...this is so simple and it was explained by Ray Comfort...we see it all around us...we see death everyday and we know in our hearts this is not normal...so here is the explanation...if you think is weak speak to God...He listens to all men......
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 I understand the original argument; but it gets nullified when you make mention of a "fallen creation" because then things cannot be "intelligently designed" in the manner you speak of if they're fallen, quite the contrary, the idea of a "fallen" or "altered" implies a modification. Thus nullifies design.
do I need to break it down in simpler words for you? This lady is getting upset not out of arrogance but because when examined rationally, the claim is self defeating
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 That is just a nonsense argument...so I cannot mention a fallen creation in your argument...this is reality around you and the Bible explains if you do not want to recognize it...a modification nullifies a design...that is just nonsense....how many cars are modified yearly..lol...examined rationally..she did not bring rationality to this argument...or did you not listen and heard how angry she is...wow...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 This lady does not want to hear of a fallen creation...neither do you....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 you're right,, I want to hear a truthful answer, not someone who contradicts themselves.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Obviously you heard a truthful answer and he is not contradicting himself..your argument...is not coherent ..What is it that you do not understand ...God made everything perfect and when Adam sinned death enter the world...this is the Judgement of God...what is the problem in understanding this...lol..you are willfully blind or are you a Satanist..?
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 Right and if God made eveyrthing perfect, then it couldn't be altered, altered = flawed , flawed= modifiable modifiable = evolved. The argument thus contradicts itself.
I'm just logical, I guess Logic is now a work of the devil for you?
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Your argument is obviously nonsense....a the fallen world means it is not evolving it is braking down...flawed does not mean modifiable or evolved you are just stating nonsense ...a 100 species have disappeared from the face of the earth...that is not evolution..that is the death of the species...what did they evolve to..lol...o wait..they could not evolve fast enough...your argument does not make any sense you are not logical...obviously...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 You need to reexamine what evolution means. Evolution just means change/modification which can be breaking down OR building up. While some species die out OTHER species thrive and EVOLVE into other species. I never said flawed means modifiable, flawed= modifiable, something flawed can be modified.
the issue is Ray Comfort's argument is flawed and contradictory; and I showed why.....it is YOU who are Angry at those who Value Truth, so you don't want to accept it.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Again it was asked and answered...God created this world perfect and because of sin it became a fallen world...or do you not understand the word entropy...men brought this upon himself by disobeying God...so please stop with the logic nonsense...this is truth..you just don't want to listen to it...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 yes and once again the answer given is faulty because it contradicts itself and it was a red herring (irrelevant) to the premise of the question. Just responding to something doesn't mean it answers.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Well again this is nonsense...and there is no contradiction...but lets agree to disagree..just saying it contradicts itself and explaining that flawed=modified = evolved..is utter nonsense..sorry but you are not logical...lets agree to disagree...this is ridiculous same as the lady speaking she has crazy eyes...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 This lady is disrespectful...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 Ray Comfort is disrespecting her by straying into a red herring, she was honoring the Truth by exposing Comfort's intellectual deceit
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Nonsense...she threw a tirade...she is not logical or wants arrive to a conclusion....shes just yelling..it is funny you can read her mind now..lol..
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 she was justified, Ray comfort was deceitfully trying to change the subject. She actually should be commended for exposing Ray Comfort's shameful and immoral tactics.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
you're being intellectually dishonest; this is the Proper Biological use of the word evolution from The American Heritage dictionary
"Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift."
genetic change causing specification. entropy doesn't factor into it. entropy of dense matter happens at geologic time scales. Your understanding of thermodynamics is wrong and doesn't refute evolution
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 It is obvious that we die...everything dies...this is a fallen world...it does not matter what words you use...we will all die...so stop splitting hairs.....lol..entropy factors into everything in the Universe...sorry but you see it every day....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 These aren't splitting hairs, I don't deny we'll die, but that this is not a product of "design" in the way Christian Creationists use
entropy doesn't factor into things the way you're describing it, rocks eroding operates on a much different way than gene mutations causing speciation.
you're in fact misusing the concept of thermodynamics. You forget Enthalpy counter balances entropy.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 The definition of entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often... Lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
The systems or design created by God is falling into disorder we can see it all around us every day 24/7....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 right and enthalpy prevents a lack of order, because it takes more energy to create that disorder......if things were undergoing linearly increasing entropy then there would be no molecular bonds.
You've never studied chemistry or physics have you?
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 I can run circles around you in Chemistry and physics but I have made my point you are just spewing nonsense same as this lady..you do not want to find truth you just want to think you are right...lol...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 Please do; don't be a coward like Ray Comfort and avoid questions by changing the subject. Explain what Entropy-Enthalpy Compensation is please.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 You need to define evolution...why instead of using the world evolution..we say Change....obviously you do not know the meaning of evolution...here it is:
The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.
This is not what is happening in this world...it is disorder or entropy...if you construct a house made of stone and leave it there for years it will disappear...entropy..you need to think more..lol..
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 It was obviously altered when Adam sinned...this was explained but again, you can make a perfect automobile but if you make the wrong decision and wreck it...it can obviously change...perfection does not mean can obviously change to imperfection..that is what happened with the creation...God's creation was perfect until Adam's sin wrecked this world...that is my last explanation..you are just splitting hairs..listen and understand instead of being a willfully blindman
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 A "Perfect" automobile would never change its operational condition, So that contradicts the premise, if it can be wrecked it wasn't perfect, but flawed and susceptible.to deterioration.
Thus the claim of design is false.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 According to you something perfect cannot be wrecked ...where does it say that...lol..that is nonsense...perfect does not mean indestructible...could you show me a definition that perfect means indestructible..perfect just means without flaws...not that it cannot be destroyed..tell where in what world or dictionary you can find this...what nonsense....lol
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 Look at the definition of perfect in the American Heritage Dictionary
"entirely without any flaws, defects, or shortcomings"
being destructible is a shortcoming, as you said fallen/flawed
There you go .....you're 0-10 ,
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 NO it does not say indestructible..you are just reading in to it...please..you could not find any dictionary saying indestructible..shortcomings means....
A failure to meet a certain standard; a fault or defect....not indestructible....destructible is not a defect or short coming..that is just stupidity..you are just trying to fit your logic so it will not sound like nonsense..please..you are not dealing with someone without a brain...lol..
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 it doesnt have to, destructibility is a short coming,
destructibility is a defect you said it yourself, we're flawed i.e "fallen" hence why things are destroyed/decay/breakdown
you're contradicting your own argument now, merely shouting "no no no" isn't counter argument.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 This will never end...I showed your logical thinking is wrong sorry...show me anywhere that being destructible means to be flawed..or shortcoming...nonsense...I have said what I have said I have shown proof and still you are willfully blind..well..what can I do..lo..go to sleep....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 You didnt show me anything you merely said "no no no" and you contradicted yourself. You're saying things "breakdown" i.e. become destroyed because they're fallen i.e. imperfect i.e. flawed , hence that implies Perfect means not susceptible to those defects, it can't be destroyed or "breakdown".
All you're doing is repeating the same thing you said previously which was already refted. This is not logic
you didn't show proof; I honed in that you ignored enthalpy.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Can something be perfect and be able to destroyed? yes ..obviously I am right. so your logic just does not compute. So please stop saying nonsense.....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 saying obviously you're right doesn't mean it is so
If God cannot be perfect if he is destructible; this means that perfect means that it cannot be destroyed. This is a property of perfection. Unless you think God can still be perfect and destroyed LOL
saying "obviously you're right" is and affirming your claim is not LOGICAL at all. in the least It's called Circular Logic.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Obviously we are talking about a design about the creator of this world..not about God...now who is changing the argument...God cannot be created or destroyed....he was not designed.....but that is another issue....so please do not say checkmate..because you don't even know how to play that game and I m a master..lol..the issue is what God designed not God...so please stick to the issue...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 You're committing a logical fallacy called special pleading. If God can't be destroyed, because according to you God is perfect. So perfection has the property of indestructibility. You can't say perfection implies indestructibly in one case and the opposite in another case. This is a contradiction.
Have good night, you lost the debate. . Checkmate :)
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Not really...I said that God cannot be created or destroyed...not that perfection equaled indestructibility....so you cannot deduce perfection = indestructibility. How do you come to that conclusion...I never said perfection = indestructibility...you logic brakes down here...God has many attributes but one attribute does not equal the other..you are the one who stated this and came to the wrong conclusion what kind of twisted logic that perfection = indestructibility.
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 You can, because if God could be destroyed, would he still be perfect? No. which means a property of perfection is being indestructible. You're making a straw man argument. I never said you claimed you associated perfection is indestructibility.
God thus cannot be perfect without being indestructible. Thus perfection is a property of indestructibility.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 If God is perfect how does it follow that perfection has something to do with being indestructible..show me how you arrived at that conclusion..It like saying God is perfect and also tall therefore perfection means being tall...lol..Checkmate...what an idiotic statement you just made...lol..Logically you are not very bright...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
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Well then answer the question for me, can God be perfect if he can be destroyed? Simple yes or no will do. :)
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Checkmate to you..you did not prove your point please...do not use logic anymore it makes you look foolish...lol..
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 really because it seemed you returned after saying good night ,
you evading the issue of "God's indestructibility" as an attribute of your belief that he is perfect,, isn't making me look foolish, it makes you look foolish an also stuck in your inability to redeem your argument
check mate
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 You have not told me at how you arrived at the idea that perfection = indestructibility....lol..like I said if God had the attribute of being perfect and short(this is just an example)..you cannot say God is perfect therefore he is also being perfect = being short..that is a dumb statement...each attribute is separate and one attribute does not relate to the other...perfect does not mean indestructible...you brought that idea up...and it is idiotic..you have lost.
RunColorado100 1 week ago
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Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Check and mate...good night I going to watch a movie instead of debating nonsense..lol..God is real deal with it...A fool says in his heart there is no God...food for thought...although your thoughts are kind of twisted....shocran!!!!
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 I never argued about the existence of God;, your ludicrous claim that we are "designed" is what is on debate here.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 This earth was made perfect and with Adams sin it became a fallen creation...deal with it....or blind yourself it is your choice...bye..
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 repeating your claim does not prove your claim
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
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@Mahmood42978 This earth was made perfect and with Adams sin it became a fallen creation...deal with it....or blind yourself it is your choice...bye..
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Your logic is wrong and in what dictionary does perfection mean indestructibility...nonsense...lol..
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 God bless you and your family and good night...
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 First show me that the word destructible is a flaw...and then we will continue with entropy and enthalpy one issue at a time...when you show me this...and it should not be difficult ....and I don't mean your interpretation of flawed or short coming...show me a dictionary saying this ..and do not interpret for me...thank you and we will continue....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 That's easy, According to you God is perfect right? Well If you could destroy God, he could no longer be perfect.
check mate
now about Entropy and Enthalpy, please explain what the Entropy-Enthalpy Compensation is.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
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@RunColorado100 That's easy, According to you God is perfect right? Well If you could destroy God, he could no longer be perfect.
check mate
now about Entropy and Enthalpy, please explain what the Entropy-Enthalpy Compensation is.
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 Show me the definition of perfect saying this...this is just your wrong interpretation of perfect...show me where in what dictionary....please give me a link..obviously there is none...what an idiotic way to be logical..if that is logic...wow..it is idiotic..lol..
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@Mahmood42978 This lady is angry at God not the argument...who gets angry when asking a question...please....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
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Mahmood42978 1 week ago
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@RunColorado100 people who get annoyed when someone responds with irrelevant and logically absurd nonsense like what Ray Comfort did here?
Mahmood42978 1 week ago
i simply am terrified of what our future is gnna be like, even einstien said there needs to be a god the greatest physicist of all time said this, he didnt know which one was the correct god but that this reality had to be designed and created, lets have a match up richard dawkins , or good old albert...........
emporroll134 3 months ago
when i go to my school it seems the christian teens are respectful and do well never get in trouble and actually say yes sir and mam, while the athiests do whatever they want cuss out the teachers, and admit to people they are whores, wow look at the times we live in ..............
emporroll134 3 months ago
this old hag needs to go back to her parents or to daycare and relearn how to be respectful to another person angry bitch
emporroll134 3 months ago
Disease is the physical evidence of a fallen creation. Interesting how when atheists go on the attack when their belief system is challenged!
devonbiker 3 months ago
He answered the question perfectly, just as the bible says. Problem with this women is she doesn't want to believe so she has been given over to a powerful lie.
devonbiker 3 months ago
@devonbiker I still say the bible and that religion is a lie because we are not suposed to suffer for our fathers transgressions so why are we? He ate the fruit not us it just doesn't make scence. If you want to respond I would be happy to read any comments you have. I'm not trying to argue and I guess this is in a way but I just want to understand what I don't.
Belial21319 3 months ago
@Belial21319 Who says we are not "supposed" to suffer for our fathers transgressions? The bible clearly says we are living in a fallen world because of mans sin. Secondly, God says the sins of the fathers will be visited by up to the 4th generation in that family. Exo 34:7. This is not necessarily punishment but the way sin works. Sin has power over people and that what Jesus came to break, if you make him Lord.
devonbiker 3 months ago
@devonbiker That does clear up some questions so for that thank you and so you don't have to reply to my comments on youtube my email address is mathewsg14@yahoo.com. I should just buy the books I used to be a mormon but not by choice so I never staid with it.
Belial21319 3 months ago
@Belial21319 I'm very happy to discuss with you. Answering your question about Adam & Eve rebelling against God, God warned them what would happen but Eve was deceived by Satan and Adam clearly disobeyed! Satan is working flat out in these end times to deceive people from the truth and if you are not in Christ you are deceived!
devonbiker 3 months ago
He can't answer the question, he can't back up his former statements, so he has to say this. I understand her frustration.
debbitt 3 months ago
That woman is nuttttsss!
MrMfloor 4 months ago
so cant u put cancer and suffering in the same category?? hmm ok then . i guess ill keep that 1 out to next time
NJohn13 4 months ago
so its my fault i got canser?
hansson2000 4 months ago
@hansson2000 Im sorry to hear you have cancer, and its not your fault, Dont listen to kirk and banana guy, they are idoits. Live your life with no regrets the way YOU want to :) Best of luck to you.
DJOuiParty 4 months ago
@carvindc400 Because many theists eventually get in your nerves
pochopaz7381 4 months ago
@BFFL16 She is getting angry because he is not addressing the question about the eye and instead he is going into the whole suffering thing "also see that woman has no love in her heart" How could you know that?
pochopaz7381 4 months ago
the enemy is getting upset and angry of the holy spirit in the room. poeple are crying out and getting upset becasue ray is not saying "cancer". also you see how that woman has no love in her heart. she is lashing out because she is feeling wronged. she needs to open her heart and recieve what ray is saying. anger and unbelief is not a pretty site on poeple. thats plain to see on some in the room.
BFFFL16 4 months ago
the lady is gettin all mad because ray said suffering instead of cancer. doesnt she know that is the same thing? dieases all tie in the same thing. and plus the atheist get off subject when it comes to asking if God is real. they go off on a tagent talkin about the Government and fossils.... what?! get over choice of words please and come togther and reason. isnt that what everyone said in the begining of the debate. "we were gonna reason" and "we're all friends"?
BFFFL16 4 months ago
Then why all the creation was let to fall by sin of one man ? Lets assume that God is all knowing and all mighty as it is said. In practical sense, God knew that sin would be committed to bring all this bs into the world.Why allow it to happen ? God cannot "test faith" on anyone, for testing and experiments are done to see what will happen or, prove a theory. But with the premise that God is all knowing, he knew sin would be done. Is there some fate above God that he cant fight back against ?
PlanetDead 4 months ago
How could god create cancer, he was too busy helping kanye west win grammys
nuttysweet1978 5 months ago
I'm glade I wasn't the only one that thought she was angry and just seemingly nasty person
Pimpo168 5 months ago
i like her, but why even try arguing with a religious person on topics like this? waste of youtube time
bliepers 5 months ago
Why is that lady so angry with them? Wow. I just don't see why she should be that angry. I feel like she is upset because they believe in something she doesn't and she didn't need to have such an outburst. My goodness. It truly makes me sad that people can be that mean.
Dianna129 5 months ago 2
@Dianna129 Well i find these debates to be very... personal. you wouldn't argue with someone like that in your daily life, but he signed up to take the big punches, and when he tried to throw in the towel, the woman had every right to be upset. When you dance around a question with no real answer, it means you don't have one.
calebsherman1 1 month ago
@Dianna129
This is what Christianity calls the spiritual war. It looks as if she will spit fire out of her eyes!! The demonic spirit in her simply cannot take it!! Yes, it is difficult to comprehend with rational mind why would anyone get so extremely upset for some debate or whatever. It is far more than a simple debate for sure...scary.
grasuh 4 weeks ago
Suffering and cancer are not equal. Yes, people suffer when they have cancer, but suffering is normally caused by an external force. Many infections and diseases are caused by viruses and bacteria that are foreign to our bodies. Cancer is always caused by a faulty gene, mostly gene p53, that causes an explosion in cellular growth that, if left untreated, will eventually result in death. Our genes are a part of us, therefore are also an imperfection of our "perfect" bodies.
7thgradeviolin 5 months ago
Look at her eyes at 2:25... pretty scary. Why all these atheists hate so much? : )
carvindc400 6 months ago
@carvindc400 Because the speaker does not know what he's talking ...
MultiRobert100 5 months ago
@MultiRobert100 I don't agree. It seems to me that she is under the influence of something...
carvindc400 5 months ago
@carvindc400 Haha, maybe... her eyes not are normal... bye, :)
MultiRobert100 5 months ago
I think that woman has cancer and she is afraid of dying and going to hell.
martin101jc 6 months ago
or if God made cancer
crazycar10 6 months ago
Okay I heard the ladies question about cancer, okay the point that I believe Ray was trying to make in concern to Cancer that Cancer is equal to suffering along with everything else such as death, diseases, hunger, etc etc = suffering she was asking about cancer and avoided the fact that cancer is all apart of the "suffering" that the human body deals with but on his defense he explains a biblical reason for it. Yes he lacks the physical evidence of why it happens but to defend his belief
crazycar10 6 months ago 2
so many kinds of stupid from Comfort.
TheDcac 6 months ago
5f. children in public many times before: at the mall, at the metro, at the grocery store, and all the people around including myself, thought nothing of it. A little smack on the bum would hardly be considered traumatizing. Be sure to read the essay I'm sending you. ' f ' = my 6th time commenting on this video. PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY NUMBERED THREADED COMMENTS STARTING WITH #1f
fanspeek 6 months ago
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fanspeek 6 months ago
4f. very people he created if it wasn't absolutely necessary. If you saw a mother spanking her child for misbehaving in public, although you may not agree with her method at least you would understand it. if you never witnessed how much of a nuisance the child was being then you would think she's the bad guy, and no you would not have the right to stop her because it's her child not yours. There's a difference between abusing a child and spanking a child. I've seen women spank their
fanspeek 6 months ago
3f. When God decided to allow his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to be sacrificed for our sins, as gruesome and evil as Jesus' death on the cross was, it was the lesser of two evils. It was either Jesus being tortured for the moment, or for us to be tortured in hell for all eternity. God is love, sometimes Love can be tough when necessary. Love sacrifices. God could've easily spared his only begotten son the evil of being degraded, abused, and crucified at the hands of the
fanspeek 6 months ago
2f. making a mistake. Anti-Spanking Parents should consider the fact that sometimes in life making the right decision involves choosing the lesser evil of two undesirable choices.... for more info. I will be sending you an essay I wrote concerning this topic to your youtube inbox. To anyone else who might be interested in reading the essay, the essay is available upon request, just send a message to my youtube inbox and I'll be glad to share it with you.
fanspeek 6 months ago
1f. @prea66 I think it would be wonderful if we lived in a world where human beings just had a natural inclination to be good without having to try so hard, because we wouldn't have to deal with the issue of deciding what proper way to deal with children's inevitable unruly behaviors. Obviously Not all parents use the same method of raising their children. To those who don't subscribe to the method of spanking for their children at all, although their intentions may be noble, I think they are
fanspeek 6 months ago
20e. "e" = my 5th time commenting on this video. PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY NUMBERED THREADED COMMENTS STARTING WITH #1e The Answer to the Truth for the abundance of many Falsehoods does not require a quick answer.
fanspeek 6 months ago
19e. reading this, Jesus, God the son, who manifested himself in the flesh is the physical proof you are always asking for of God's existence. No man has ever come back from the dead except Jesus. No human has ever gone through this life without sinning once or twice in his or her lifetime. Frankly speaking it is impossible for the nicest of human beings to count the number of times he or she has sinned in his or her lifetime, let alone not ever sinning once.
fanspeek 6 months ago
18e. to help you. The bible was honest when God said in his word that it would be difficult to follow after Truth & righteousness. Jesus never promised it would be easy, but this life is short compared to eternity, so it is well worth the risk. Many people have killed others, thinking they were doing God a service. God knows about the struggles of doing what we know to be the Truth, which is why he promised us a reward in heaven. To all my other Atheist brothers & sisters out there, who may be
fanspeek 6 months ago
17e. until the judgement day when you will surely be found guilty of sin. I know I am a sinner, and you know you are a sinner. Everybody is a sinner. You don't have to be like the thief on the cross who mocked Jesus. You can accept his forgiveness for your sins today, if you're willing to receive the only full assurance of salvation for all Mankind, Easterners & Westerners. If you do decide to accept Jesus, be warned of the fact that it would be difficult, but God will send you his Holy spirit
fanspeek 6 months ago
16e. deceptions. You should not be as concerned with what Men might do to you should you decide to defect from following Allah. The pains and sufferings in this world are temporary. The bible says "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." The God of the bible is the true, complete, living God who can forgive you right now. You don't have to risk waiting
fanspeek 6 months ago
15e. that the bible acknowledged Mankind has become infected by through Adam. Thankfully God in his loving mercy decided to sacrifice a piece of himself, God the Son, Jesus, to reverse the curse of Sin. God is patient with us. God is not willing that any man should perish for all eternity. Allah commands his misguided followers to kill the infidels. The undeniable fact is Allah himself claimed to be the greatest deceiver of all, so I'm sorry if in my objective opinion I refuse to buy into his
fanspeek 6 months ago
14e. humans do to deserve such a treatment from this loving God? They Sinned. Those people who received harsh judgements in the bible weren't blameless. You and I are not blameless either; the mere fact that we are still alive is proof of how merciful and how slow to judgement he is. If God decided to kill us all as he did in the days of Noah with the flood, he would be just. Humans have committed all the forms of atrocities on earth that can ever be thought of. Sin is the disease
fanspeek 6 months ago
13e. begotten son to take our sinful punishment upon his sinless self, so that we may put on his perfection. Rather than questioning this loving God of the bible who has given us the opportunity to be called Sons and Daughters of God as Adam and Eve were in the beginning before the Fall of Mankind. Unlike some self proclaiming gods who relegate us to being just mere slaves and servants of his Lordship, the question we need to ask is, what did those
fanspeek 6 months ago
12e. If I were to walk in on a mother spanking her child without witnessing the moment when her child began to misbehave, I may be inclined to believe that such a woman is an abusive mother. In the same regard, the seemingly ugly passages of the bible that a lot of people like to use to argue against the bible about God's judgement should not make us question God's nature, since the very same God of the bible made a huge loving sacrifice by sending his only
fanspeek 6 months ago
@fanspeek If I were to walk in on a mother spanking her child whether or not I had witnessed the child misbehaving, I would immediately stop the mother. It has been shown that spanking does not deter bad behavior any more than passive forms of punishment, but can cause problems in the future.
prea66 6 months ago
11e. personally respect the bible is because it doesn't try to paint a pretty picture, instead it presents the truth for what it is no matter how grotesque looking it may seem at times. That's why you should trust it. The Truth is Mankind indeed fell from glory which only the bible acknowledges, therefore there is no system that has the involvement of man that would not at some point end up looking bad in one way or another. God is good, but sometimes humans make God look bad.
fanspeek 6 months ago
10e. uncreated God. God is the only one who is self sustained. Jesus, the son that has always been uncreated, came to earth legally, by birth, having a dirt body that allowed for God's kingdom to be legally established on earth once again. Salvation for mankind required a long step by step process that was accurately documented in the bible. Sure there were times when God had to be firm with a lot of the rebellious people in the bible.One of the main reasons why I
fanspeek 6 months ago
9e. always been a Triune God as the only the bible claimed, Why, because it means that he is not in need of me, not in need of you, not in need of the angels, nor in need of anybody. He can talk to himself. God the Father can talk to God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God the Holy Spirit can talk to God the Son, and God the Father. God the Son can talk to the Father and the Holy Spirit. They can communicate without any need of any angelic or human creature. That is the complete
fanspeek 6 months ago
8e. God was a talking God, with whom was he talking to? FACT: God in eternity past was a loving God. QUESTION: If God was a loving God, then who did he love? FACT: He was a hearing God, Who exactly did he hear from? He was a seeing God, who did he see? Therefore If God has always been the same yesterday today and forever, To be a complete God, he definitely must have always been a Triune God as the bible accurately claims. The only logical uncreated God must have
fanspeek 6 months ago
7e. Holy Spirit be one God? Well, we humans have limited minds, but nevertheless Let us imagine: The holy God in eternity past, before he created the heavens and the earth, before he created the angels, before he created man. Was he a complete or an incomplete God? Was he self sufficient, or did he need some other creature to complete him? These are legitimate questions that we must consider for ourselves. The Fact is, God in eternity past was a talking God. Question: If
fanspeek 6 months ago
6e. forgiven now, and how our sins can be washed away whiter than snow from heaven's perfect record system that we may be found blameless as though we never once sinned before, was Jesus Christ the Son of God. Jesus is the Son of God and I will break down to you exactly how he is the son of God because I love you and I don't want to see anyone go to hell. The bible talks about how God is a Triune God. You may be wondering, how can God the Father, God the Son, and God the
fanspeek 6 months ago
5e. universe to end up at. I don't know about you but I need a full proof assurance that I can be saved from the unimaginable horrors of hell, and my savior, Jesus, provided me that. The message of the bible is all about Jesus, so yes, it should not come as a surprise to you why I love to Quote him so. Out of all the claimed teachers, preachers, prophets, messengers, in the world the only person that gave Mankind the full assurance of salvation before the Judgement day, and that we can be
fanspeek 6 months ago
4e. mercy, the real God will judge you according to your sins. God is a just God, he cannot be bribed with good works as our human judges can be bribed sometimes. You need to be fully assured that your sins can be forgiven, not until judgement day, but NOW!! An Eternity in Hell is not something you can take chances with and expect that maybe Allah may forgive. Maybe is not good enough!! From all I have heard from NDE accounts, and people like Bill Wiese, Hell is the worst place in the entire
fanspeek 6 months ago
3e. human brethren does not come from the God of LIGHT/TRUTH/LOVE, No! such hatred comes from the Prince of Darkness/Falsehood/Evil. Allah never promised anyone would be forgiven of their sins until the day of judgement, not even for Muhammed. Anyone who is well versed on how the Justice System works knows that if show you up in a court room without having your crimes/sins being acquitted, justice demands that you be judged accordingly. If you wait until judgement day for Allah to show you
fanspeek 6 months ago
2e. The bible says "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; " In reality Demons do not tremble at the sound of Allah's name, they tremble at the name of Jesus. The same hatred that Allah has for the Jews is the same hatred that "Lucifer", the god of the illuminati, has for the Jews. This is made evident when you study why Hitler who was an illuminist, hated the jews so much. Hatred inspired against your fellow
fanspeek 6 months ago
1e. @a1saouse I take it you did not read the 66 Threaded comments I posted on this video
watch?v=KVsedC3ocKI&feature=related
The premises for why I believe Allah to be a foul, deceitful liar, I broke down there. The bible says Jesus died for all mankind not just the easterners or the westerners.
Do you really want me to repost all my 66 comments or are u just afraid the facts that I laid out may not line up with what you hold as Truth. Truth does not conform to Man, Man must conform to Truth.
fanspeek 6 months ago
so we can devolve but not evolve..hmm ok.
django60617 6 months ago
5d. "d" = my 4th time commenting on this video. PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY NUMBERED THREADED COMMENTS STARTING WITH #1, AS WELL AS ALL THE COMMENTS I POSTED ON THIS OTHER VIDEO:
/watch?v=KVsedC3ocKI&feature=related
p.s. I don't expect you to respond to my comments as hastily as you have with all my previous comments. If you want to refute my position of what I consider to be the Ultimate Truth, you at least have to be aware of the premises that my beliefs are built upon.
fanspeek 6 months ago
@fanspeek I am aware of the premises that your beliefs are built upon... they rely on a book thats bean edited through out history. for example the helper you say is the holy spirit but the holy spirit never works alone. Again christians added their two cents and came to the conclusion that the helper is the holy spirit. -which is true but the holy spirit is upon Mohamed.Its in the Torah still you will not find it in the bible psalms you christians took it out. you take-add things to your liking
a1saouse 6 months ago
4d. entity "Allah." Allah claimed to be the greatest deceiver of all. One of the attributes of the God of the bible is that he cannot lie. No no, Lucifer, who has become the god of this world, is the greatest deceiver of all. Why do you think all the illuminists like Jay-z, Led zeppelin all worship the devil. As I mentioned among many things on that video, If you ask any Satanist what the devil's real name is, they will tell you that their master's name is "Lucifer" not "Iblis" That is a Fact.
fanspeek 6 months ago
@fanspeek I watched the video.... why do you keep directing me to videos... its not about videos its about what the bible says and I'm sick of it saying one thing and christians doing another. the truth is America is not ready for any middle eastern god cz this god you worship is middle eastern not western this god is of the Jews. if you did any of what the bible says to keep this Jewish god happy you'll go to jail.
a1saouse 6 months ago
3d. There are countless more stories of people who can testify to the power behind the name of Jesus, former witches, former occultists, alien abduction victims. The harsh reality & Truth is that many of my muslim brothers & sisters have been mislead by the crafty deceptions of the devil. At this point I would suggest for you to read my comments on this other video that I am about to direct you to, because with my comments on there, I really broke things down on why no human should trust the
fanspeek 6 months ago
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fanspeek 6 months ago
2d. other names, but the demon did not budge. The bible gave Mankind the correct and effective method to deal with all kinds of spirits. There are no good Djinns or demons. The bible says that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow. This muslim was astounded because when he heard an audible voice that instructed him to apply the name of Jesus, the demon fled for dear life. My mom experienced a sleep paralysis attack once, same thing, when she called on the name of Jesus she was delivered.
fanspeek 6 months ago
1d. @a1saouse Actually, the helper that Jesus/God the son spoke about was the help of the Holy-Spirit, Who would fill us with his spiritual nourishment & power to wage warfare against the kingdom of darkness. You obviously did not watch that video, because this muslim brother talked about how he was attacked by an evil demonic spirit that he identified as a djinn at the time. While engaging this spirit he called on the name of Allah whose name according to the Qur'an is supposed to be above all
fanspeek 6 months ago
@a1saouse I employ to watch all the videos I sent you b4 including this video that I am about to share with you. Jesus never commanded us to fight any particular group as Allah did against the Jews. Jesus commanded us to love our enemies which to a lot of people, is a revolutionary concept. God loves all people of all faiths, but they have to understand that without Jesus, no man can be saved. Check out this testimony of a former muslim.
/watch?v=cYiQhW4HsBM
fanspeek 6 months ago
@fanspeek THIS IS THE THING ABOUT YOU CHRISTIANS you constantly quote Jesus to your advantage. You forget that Jesus tell the apostles; he must go away or the helper will not come and the helper is Mohamed. -And its another ending story with you christians that Allah is how you say god in Arabic even Jesus said Allah cuz Jesus spoke Aramaic, Its like saying god in Spanish Dios or Latin Deos. -God(Allah) kills Jews like god( Dios) kills Egyptians,when God had Moses raise his staff and killed .
a1saouse 6 months ago