AMMO TEST: .380 ACP Remington Golden Saber 102 gr JHP

[bfboymike]

Bleah! No expansion. A very expensive FMJ result. Winchester PDX1 is much better.

[MCBobbyE]

finnaly found one that penatrates threw xD

[keeto123456]

Have you decided on a favorite 380 load and if so why?

[oabravo878]

keep up the good work.

[Stormchsr]

I always appreciate ammo test in the various self defense caliber. Thanks. What I would love to see also is some tests really simulating a center of mass shot. Layer of clothing, A layer of bone/material to simulate the rib cage, a foot (approx) of gelatin and another layer of bone for back of ribcage to see expansion/penetration though ribs and soft tissue. I seems to me that strictly gelatin would simulate only passing between ribs both front and back. Just thoughts.

[MrBigarmand]

I am amazed at this one also, it did not expand and went through the whole gelatin block.

[koskey06]

Why are people talking crap!!! This is one of the best ammo testing guy I found on youtube!!! These videos are just for referince and to give a "idea" of how the ammo performs!! Thanks for all the great test, it helps me pick out a defence round to buy when I get a new gun. Keep up the good work and if there is anything I can do to help let me know.

[Titan9mm]

@koskey06 kiss ass....lol.. but your right tnoutdoors9 is the man when it comes to firearm and ammo testing...

[surfside006]

I guess all over the you tube we have trolls with nothing between their ears,and no life at all with nothing to do but post moronic insults to others that attempt to impart some information that may be helpful to readers with a brain.That said,mushrooming JHP 380 rounds absolutely do not penetrate deep enough to satisfy the FBI standards,FMJ does,up to 22 inches. Further the actual coroners police reports state the JHP creates a Temporary self closing wound,that not seen at death.Lame comments

[crazydriver1978]

thx for the epic fail. i learned not to get hallow point in the anemic .380 caliber. unless maybe it is a thin soft copper jacket. i wonder why remington used brass?

[MrAzcabowabo]

again, i hear a 380 doesnt make the cut for a solid def round do to lack of penetration. Your tests show theyre out penetrating the 9mm. So does this make a 380 an opimal round above 9mm? Thx

[crazydriver1978]

@MrAzcabowabo no, the over-penetration from the 380 was a fluke because the bullet didn't mushroom. imagine trying to throw a basebal bat vs umbrella through water, which do you think will stop first?

[MrAzcabowabo]

@crazydriver1978 i suppose if i had to result to a .380 for self def i'd go with a fmj and not hp. As for anything bigger, hp's all day!

[crazydriver1978]

@crazydriver1978 thx. while i do understand that brass is harder than copper, i dont understand why remington used brass vs copper jacket for hallow point. can you do a review on copper jacket hallowpoint?, thx again

[surfside006]

About 380 not being up to snuff, or simply wimpy?

Well right now on Tru TV the Andrew Wirth Bar fight murder of two other patrons,

both Killed with Bersa 380 woman dead in seconds the guy dead in minutes.

In fact one bullet went through him into her.

Don't underestimate the 380 I have two. The Bersa Thunder 380 and S&W Body guard 380 light for EDC and capable of doing what is needed in self defense. The Safety on The Bersa sucks, way to hard, actually impossible at times. Warrantee work needed?

[TheMissouriGuerrilla]

Thats why I keep buffalo bore in my sig 232, hard cast 100 grain lead flat nose.

[Yeongugwan808]

Hey tnoutdoors9, I know it is a lot of work to set up the gelatin. Why not, in instances like this, when you have essentially a recognized fmj-like passthru, fire another one into the block just to see if that one expands? You shouldnt have to worry about the block being inconsistent if all the first bullet did was pass through, IMHO. Thanks again!

[tnoutdoors9]

@Yeongugwan808

Always the possibility of a second shot crossing through the original bullet path. To remind me of this, I have that scene from Ghostbusters running through my mind......"do not cross the streams".

[robinsonruiz86]

@tnoutdoors9

You might want to look into coconut shells as a stand-in for bone.

[OrangeJackson]

I really enjoy your demonstrations of differing rounds and cablers, thank you!

I wanted to mention the DOJ Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness paper (available free online) that mentions that the most important factor of a round is penetration, and that typically, only 60 to 70% of hollow point rounds expand in tests.

A 2nd test of Golden Saber .380 rounds would be interesting to see if the round did indeed expand.

At any rate, thank you for the demos!

[revgotchrist]

Have you tried the HST .380?

[Migs4000]

As far as what I have seen in my tests, velocity can have a great deal of influence on clogging; although bullet design is the big factor.

[wilkbor]

Thanks for the video. One thought, disguised as two questions: do you think the denim itself could have caused the failure? If there had been no denim, would it have expanded?

[tnoutdoors9]

@wilkbor

Who knows. I still think the velocity to weight factor caused the problem, although the denim didn't help matters. It may or may not have done the same thing with only a cotton shirt. Even if it did expand without denim, that means I would have to ask my attacker to disrobe before I fired a shot.

[IndianaGeologist]

@tnoutdoors9 Asking your attacker to disrobe just may make him/her stop the attack.....LOL

[tnoutdoors9]

@IndianaGeologist

If the attacker was already disrobed then I would say there are other issues on the table!

[revgotchrist]

What bullet do you suggest for the .380?

[tnoutdoors9]

@revgotchrist

I still have more to test and to this point, August 2011, nothing has impressed me. There do seem to be some consistencies with loads generally staying in the 10 to 11 inch range for penetration. Expansion is what it is for the weight and diamter of the bullet, given these velocities. Sooner or later I'll try some FMJ in the block, although I cannot advocate that anyone carry FMJ for self defense, in any caliber.

[surfside006]

@tnoutdoors9 Despite maybe 100 years of misinformation.From the Gun mags etc. I have read right now, from Police Autopsies on dead bad guys. The Pathologists find no difference in the dead guy JHP and FMJ

bullet wounds paths, as the impact track closes unlike in Gel where it cannot close.So if the dead guy is not impacted by the TEMPORARY stretch at all. The JHP is a waste. Now if JHP does not reach organs 12 or 18 inches away, its a waste. On the other hand FMJ will go the extra inches 12+

[surfside006]

@revgotchrist If you want to protect your life in a unanticipated bad guy attack. Carry FMJ 380, or even 9MM. FMJ.

Why? 380 JHP can be as shallow as 7 inches in JHP. And JHP in 9MM is about 13 inches in JHP

The FBI standards are 12 to 18 inches are needed. FMJ in 380 and 9MM is over 20 inches with FMJ.

All the Bull shit about hitting a by stander from over penetration has never happened.

In summary a FMJ may save your life. Even 40 and 45 JHP are only 13 inches deep. Common sense is FMJ.

[myantispambox]

@surfside006 Wow, you are incredibly naive. Please tell us you don't actually have any guns.

[surfside006]

@myantispambox Do tell us about your first hand experiences,like all the bad guys you have actually shot? And pray tell us all about your many bad guy shoot outs?

And how you know first hand because you actually shot someone with JHP,and watched them die?Than you personally attended the autopsy?What a joke, I have personally and physically arrested well over a 1000 law violators, and Attended autopsies, and never shot anyone, both as a Cop, and a Sheriff what a joke,naive,really.

[dxxa95]

OH i see what happens !!!

The barrel has Righ rifling and the petals are to the left :3

[TexasSheepdawg21]

Perfect test. However, that was still good penetration. but that hollow point activation was an epic fail. I wonder if this bullet was designed more for hunting than self defense? Or maybe should have been shot as a 9mm round which has more potential for expansion? Was rifling rotation spinning the bullet in the right direction and spinning it fast enough? Those HPs look like they work better spinning one direction than in another.

[DG121480]

Any plans in the future for testing Mag Safes? Those might be interesting. 9mm, please.

[ResponsibleCitizen64]

It seems the denim clogging the hollow-point cavity is a key point.  I have this same load in my .380 and I have also shot it into gel. In my case, I was NOT performing any calibrated test, no denim or anything like that, just shot into bare gel. It did expand in that case, so it does have enough velocity to expand under some (easy) conditions. This was .380 102 grain Remington Golden Sabre out of a Ruger LCP.

[paikmendez]

i wonder why TNO9 didn't repeat the test...

[tnoutdoors9]

@paikmendez

It takes the better part of a day to setup a test, cleanup, melt, recast, then process and upload the video. I keep three blocks in rotation. The first block did not calibrate, so it went back to melting and recasting. This was the second block. I am not likely to retest anything in the same video due to time and having blocks allocated to possibly another test the following day, etc.

[sixfteightinguy]

I truely enjoy watching your videos. I'm very new and leaning a lot. I started off by trying to learn more of my dads rifles & shotgus which I inherited,

[andretitipower]

that was a nice demo you did. maye next time you can try testing with just a shirt over the ballistic gel so we can see how much the golden saber penetrates.

[floridafyme]

Brass is more ridgid than copper

[TheYankeeMarshal]

I have been paying attention to a lot of .380 tests lately due to the fact that I am considering replacing my 9mm Rohrbaugh with a .380 SIG P238 for my deep concealment pistol. I found this test very interesting. I think I would stay in a 90gr weight range.

[fanman71]

Disappointing. Is it that Golden Saber is an older design ? If it's not non expansion in this case, it's core-jacket separation in the other calibers. Pretty sad that this is supposed to be Remington's flagship brand

[ThatDudeSirraj]

As always a great review but DUDE!!! I have this in my TCP738... I am so disappointed right now. But like I said in response to another poster, Maybe a more realistic test would be with t-shirt, leather jacket and hoodie material layers instead of denim. Just a thought. But thanks for the great quality reviews.

[xtremearmor]

Gee, this test surprised me since there was no expansion. I was really expecting some bullet expansion and the for the bullet to not travel that far. Great ballistics test.

[tiggerr42431]

Good scientific deduction.

[floridafyme]

No expansion. I would agree,not enough velocity. Check out the article on bullet performance in the Sept./ Oct. issue of AMERICAN HANDGUNNER.

[bloodshot16]

Do you hunt?

[tnoutdoors9]

@bloodshot16

I will hunt coyote every once in a while, but I'm finding less time for that activity. I have so many deer in the yard, it would not be a challenge to hunt them. I do feed the deer with a steady diet of corn, minerals, etc. so that hunters down the road a mile or so have some healthy targets from which to choose. Alot of my neighbors hunt for food; they depend on it every year.

[peptopro17]

oh the bugs

[tnoutdoors9]

@peptopro17

I am DONE with the bugs. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if we had a hard freeze here the last week of August. Like that is going to happen.

[peptopro17]

@tnoutdoors9 a freeze in TN is like rain in TX

[millster101]

clogging even 

[millster101]

Great example of denim clocking the Hollow point .

[702CitizenArmory]

I will never buy this ammo for any caliber, it never test well, and for the price they charge for that crap it stupid.

[123karismith]

Somebody needs to fill the hollow point cavity with RTV silicone, I think it would solve the hollow point clogging with denim and might even get some expansion.

[CleverEditing]

hey can you buy a kel tec pmr 30 and then buy some

hornady critical defense .22 mag

[huntwithairguns]

@CleverEditing If you want him to test .22 mag out of a handgun it doesn't have to be a PMR 30. Those are very hard to find and there are cheaper options out there.

[CleverEditing]

@huntwithairguns

the pmr is a cheap gun($350.00)

and its not hard to find i live 30 minutes

away from coco beach fl give me the $ and ill get you one

lol :O)

what other .22 mag is there that is semi automatic???

[huntwithairguns]

@CleverEditing Why does it need to be a semi auto?

[CleverEditing]

@huntwithairguns

to prove that the pmr 30 is the cheapest option out there lol :O)

i just love kel tec and i love the .22 wmr

i guss he dosent need to get a kel tec but at least test out the new

hornady critical defense .22 wmr

:O)

[tnoutdoors9]

@CleverEditing

I really don't have any plans to test .22 mag. Before I get asked again, no plans to test .25 or .32. However, I'm leaning more and more toward getting a .22 LR handgun and testing everything out there using this same format, including solids. I have been so infatuated with .22's lately that I'm eating them in my cereal.

[surfside006]

@tnoutdoors9 Walther P -22 works just fine, looks good, and ammo cheap also. Have look at one

I really like the Bersa guns have a 40 and the 380. I watched many 380 videos on you tube, and not all 380 have a hard impossible decocker safety, from what I see them pushing it off safety.

The Bersa 40 safety works just fine. The Beretta PX 4 Sub compact is smooth as silk.

I have three Glocks but now they are orphans since the Bersa and Beretta Walther. To many guns I only take 4 at a time to range

[crazydriver1978]

@tnoutdoors9 if you do test the 22lr, PLEASE test the 22mag, 25acp, 32acp for a comparo. thx



[LMarshall32]

@ :50 mark you make the argument for more penetration for the .380 then again @1:25 hoping for better penetration. Now at the end(3:48) you disregard you opening statements and the bullet when you got your " best" penetration to date, for not having enough expansion. I am not trying to be a jerk and VERY sorry if I come across as such! I'm just confused and might not be the only 1.

I am not trying to "troll" you, so If this offends in any way let me know and I will pull it ASAP. Thank you!

[tnoutdoors9]

@LMarshall32

Your question is fine, so let me be very clear.

1 - I prefer optimum penetration vs. expansion; an acceptable balance of both is the goal of the ammo maker.

2 - I expected deeper penetration due to a heavier bullet.

3 - A non-expanding JHP is generally considered a failure.

4 - I look for an acceptable window of performance based on professional testing and expected results.

5 - The .380 SO FAR has not fit in that window for my preferences.

[LMarshall32]

@tnoutdoors9 Sir, thank you very much for taking the time for the response it is a huge help. I am very impressed wit the effort you put into your channel and i really did not mean to offend. I was just being a dumbass(read in need of coffee) and was confused by the results. Thanks again!

[Rubengt303]

@tnoutdoors9 You said in your first point that you prefer penetration vs. expansion. i was curious because i have been watching a lot of ballistics test videos and reviews to pick a preferred home defense / ccw round and i recently viewed a test of a Grizzly Extreme round, and it had by far the most expansion out of any bullet that i have ever seen, so my question is. Do you think that extreme expansion and somewhat poor penetration is as good as good penetration and somewhat poor expansion?

[tnoutdoors9]

@Rubengt303

Poor expansion and penetration might stop a threat. Good expansion put poor penetration may stop a threat, and vice versa. The Grizzly Extreme, based on my readings, does seem to offer great expansion. Does that mean it's the end-all bullet? If it was, then all the ammo makers would be replicating that formula. I like my chances of stopping a threat faster, as in reaching vital systems/organs with a bullet that penetrates.

[Rubengt303]

@tnoutdoors9 i figure that if the bullet penetrates into center mass a few to several inches with a wound cavity nearly twice as large as any other bullet it would do the job for sure and that vital organs aren't very deep to begin with. i dont know what 2 water jugs equates to in ballistic gelatin but thats how far i saw a 45acp penetrate in a water jug expansion test. thanks for the quick feedback, and the continuous good videos.

[lisolangka]

do you carry .380s?

[lisolangka]

im just wondering..you seem to be so amused about .380s...

[tnoutdoors9]

@lisolangka

These are my first ever experiences with the .380, shooting, testing, etc. I do understand where, due to availability, restrictions, handgun size, recoil, etc. why it is the first or only choice for some folks. I'm trying to detail what few facts I can present and then viewers have to make a choice. So far, I have yet to be overwhelmingly impressed with any aspect of .380 test results that motivates me to use for personal defence, but I need to be objective.

[tubevideoguy762]

@tnoutdoors9

yet another fantastic ballistic test from the south lol

[tnoutdoors9]

@tnoutdoors9

Did I just spell defense with a "c"? I've been reading way too much literature out of the UK this past week..

[vassal11]

I despise all things Remington.

[72cmcinc]

Wow!  Another great test!

[WallyMerc06]

Well at least you had some jugs back there to stop it. Nice video man and just wanted to say thank you for your effort in these ammo test vids. I know it isn't exactly a science lab, but I'm sure your viewers do appreciate the data that you show on here. Once again, much appreciated brother.

[MrStrawberrification]

I have a box of those laying around so to the range they go lol.

[superchase08]

you should do a video on the Mag-Tech 9mm, i always carry them and seeing this video makes me wonder if they work!

[0000Fred0000]

I got a little .380 last Christmas and always have it on me. Thank you for taking the time to do these, you may be saving someones life with this information.

[ArtisanTony]

Very cool test! I would rather be shot by this bullet. I don't like all that denim in me :)

[pjicleanair420]

ball ammo for 380s , hp ammo wont penetrate nearly enough

[85mackey1]

I haven't seen hollowpoints fail more than with the remington golden sabre. I personally would not carry it . I'll stick to using 124g gold dots.

[scsmia]

What round would you recomend in .380

[YourMilageMayVary]

As always another great test.... you are becoming somewhat of an expert. :)

[prescottbill]

I tend to load my Keltec P3at with FMJ bullets (I do have a box of DPX corbons for it, too). The reason for FMJ is penetration. These little pocket guns are for 10 yds. and closer gunfights. They are better than nothing guns.  I want a bullet that will go through a leather coat, shirt, skin, rib, etc... Practice with an 8 in. paper plate from 3yds to 10 yds. Better yet buy a small 9mm (like the PF9) and forget about .380.

[enjoythewildUSA]

Great video.  A junk bullet exposed.

[interceptortow]

exelent video i lke a lot thanks

[tymanG19fan]

GOLDEN SABER SUCKS!! (in all calibers) 

[1crimm]

I always look forward to your videos. Good stuff.

[merrylt]

Thanks for this review. This once again makes me happy for choosing the Corbon Powerball or the Hornady Critical Defense!

[604zippo]

Could you test 7.62x25mm one day?

Likin' the vids- very informative.

[GothChristianPatriot]

Perhaps out of a 4 inch barrel one may get different results try a Walther pk380 or Beretta 85 with it.

[shavedforbattle]

In my opinion, your ammo test vids are far and away the best on Youtube. Thanks for the honest and not over-complicated videos. We really appreciate it.

[MstangMch4]

Now I know not to put this junk in my lil pocket .380!!! Luckily the weather starting to cool off a bit so I can start carrying my .45 more instead of leaving it in the truck!

[friskyrabbit]

Wow, thanks for this vid so I know exactly what to avoid buying for my .380!

[hotscotty10]

so it acted as a fmj with the denim in it

[grizz474]

I wonder if you would be better off using a flat nosed sharp shouldered hard cast bullet with a .380 (if there is such an animal) and go for the penetration over expansion. If expansion is hit or miss might as well go with the constant, or a 9mm .40 or a .45 :-)

[KryptKeeper40]

Great test! I think I would pass on this ammo for self defense.

[GodBlessYou2008]

your talk is already like a presentation at a conference of Physics.

[tnoutdoors9]

@GodBlessYou2008

That would make sense. My wife keeps saying that I have a PhD in BS. I think she's confused!

[jimbarbwe1985]

I wanna see some .22 lr rounds tested please.

[dills2403]

What would happen if you shot the test media with a rifle?

say a 223 308 7.62x39 hp

[darkwriter77]

Once again, a 9mm bullet design unsuccessfully applied to .380 ACP. Fact of the matter is, .380 just doesn't move as fast as 9x19mm - some manufacturers get it, some don't, and Remington is apparently one of the latter.

[sufferas1]

Thanks for another great test. Hopefully you will get around to sampling the DPX in .380. I know it's pricey, but it seems to perform well in other tests I have seen. If you are going to stake your life on a marginal caliber, you better get a bullet that will do its job as advertised.

[rifleslol]

Not very impressive at all. The velocity differences is also a reason for concern. A 5% deviation in velocity is not great news for quality control. Thanks for the test.

[BioHazardMatthew]

I have waited a long time for him to test this one. I was super excited when I saw the video but feared these results. I have to say though if deep penetration is a plus then this ammo deserves some credit. I am amazed that it went all the way through the block. The critics of the 380 would never believe it.

[thiagocessna]

yehhh in brazil the .380 is a once caliber we can have for home defence the golden saber is exlent

[YamahaWR200]

Very disappointing. I didn't have higher expectations necessarily, but i did have higher hopes. This is one of the more reasonably priced bullets for reloading a "self-defense" load. But with that performance... I don't know. I wanted to try them for reloading the 9mm, but this makes me double think it.. (although on the 9mm test in the wet-pack it did respectably..) I just don't know yet.. Might have to bite the bullet and try them.. (Just the bullets that is)

[rhddrifter86]

I believe the best round for the 380 is the Corbon DPX.

[leighrate]

Been watching these for a while now. The test for penetration on soft tissue is great, but one wonders about bone? Against a human rib cage, for example. Perhaps a second shot with a couple of spare ribs (No! not yours - before someone asks!) behind the denim,

[mcekim2]

Thanks for another very informative vid! I always look forward to these.

[soapy05]

awesome video! Have you thought about using a bone plate between the denim and ballistic gel? Considering the rib cage covers anywhere from 55-80% of the vital organs in the chest depending on direction, it would be interesting to see what results you would get. I've seen a pdf of a test where all but one brand of ammo failed to open (Even the hornady ammo with the plastic tips). Interestingly the only ammo that did open had a lighter bullet than the rest.

[g1942transient]

These test are geared to stop a person charging wearing a Canadian Tuxedo!

[Doc6mm]

Sweet, tnoutdoors9 I'm always happy to see a sim media test with a load I have jug tested,(@ghillisniper300 channel) it makes my think there is validity there in the milk jugs. I got the same results with denim and had failure to expand and jacket separation in bare jugs on the ones that did expand, alot of people recommend using flat nose fmj's in 380, 19.5" penetration! That seems like negligence imo!

[Vampiro423]

Very disappointing. I have a box myself and will never use it in my concealed carry weapon. Hornady critical defense is the way to go. Great job keep up the awesome videos.

[TheMultiGunMan]

★★★★★

[MadBadVoodo]

★★★★★

[jimrbsn]

those would work great if you nedded to take a small core sample from somebody and their clothes :)

[sixgunnernick]

Nice video, I thought golden sabers were better than that.

[GARYMANDIEVAN]

That was a shock I didn't think it would go though the jell like that , great test as always Thanks my friend

[dylanz333]

I noticed the cuts in the top of the bullet. I know the purpose of these, and understand the general design. I wondered that since the cuts in the jacket are spiraled, and spiraled in the opposite direction of the rifling of your pistol, will they expand? your pistol has a right hand twist, so will it never expand? does it need to be left hand twist? To me it seems like setting up a circular saw, with the saw blade backwards. Thanks

[Chris090883]

That is just another reason why I carry Speer Gold Dot, never any issues and always performs very well, I have them loaded in both of my .357 Magnums, my Ruger LCP, my Glock 19, my S&W 4006 in .40 and my hand cannon Springfield XD45 Sub Compact 5" Tactical. No other carry round or personal protection will be loaded in my weapons but Speer Gold Dot

[smarttubber123]

i know this might sound stupid but can you do a sim test with a 3 1/2 inch magnum shot gun rnd?

[taofledermaus]

May have well been an FMJ huh? Makes me wonder if the thing would open up on anything- wet newspaper, gel without any denim, flesh, etc. Great video, I can tell you went through a lot of work to make this one.

[1LimaUniformLimaZulu]

hmm thats weird, check out the reccommened video in the sidebar from brassfetcher

[fomoco13]

why dont you use just one layer of denum for testing, it seems it would be more realistic say a leg shot, it would probably expand with only one layer of denum

[Mo7Vsta]

@fomoco13 yeah but im pretty sure the like Federal standard for testing is 4 layers so thats why he does four as well

[tnoutdoors9]

@fomoco13

4 layers is an IWBA standard, plus, I don't aim for the leg. :-)

[jamesjr934]

@tnoutdoors9 In that case maybe one layer of t-shirt cloth would be more realistic, since not many people wear denim on their upper body?

[ThatDudeSirraj]

@jamesjr934 ya know that is a REALLY good point. Or maybe even one layer of t-shirt and another layer of hoodie material or even leather jacket material. 4 layers of denim from the torso up really isnt practical in 2011 lol. And this REALLY has me wondering b/c I carry this stuff in my TCP 738!!! Im lookin at it at this second wondering if I should unload it asap

[shiv317]

@fomoco13 I think the whole point of that standard is in the mentality that if it goes through 4 layers of denum then you know without much doubt that the round will preform when needed against what ever the attacker may be wearing, except for body armor of course...

[DagaYute]

Great test! 

[mach1mustang1971]

that is so shocking...i thought for sure that it would expand...wow...thanks for posting

[GunSkinny]

I love these tests

[defenseandsafety]

.380 is such a consistently poor performing load - i can't understand why anyone would choose it for self defense. better to go with 38 special or better yet 9mm. if gun size is a concern, choose a kahr pm9.

[darbycrash55]

really interesting how much the cloth deviated the exspantion

[heyerstandards]

does the variation in velocity (951 fps to 850 fps) shown at 1:44 give a cause for concern?

[tnoutdoors9]

@heyerstandards

Yes, good catch. Everyone realizes we are not talking about the tight control specs you can get from reloading at home, but it's interesting to track which ammo makers have the widest deviation in their loads. I hope it is helpful that I not only post the advertised and average FPS, but my high and low marks.

[Jesses001]

@tnoutdoors9 It is helpful. It seems this particular batch of ammo was not to the standards we expect from Remington's Golden Saber line-up. Maybe it was just some quality control issues. I hope at least that is the case.

[rmordica]

Wow. I'd have to agree about the weight for the caliber. I was very surprised to see it pass through the sim media. Still though, another terrific and very informative vid. Keep it up!

[fishinkeylargo]

Wow, not what I was expecting. Nice test. Thanks for all your work on the .380 ammo.

[otreborzedalav1]

outstanding video, thank you.

[Montyfiable]

Federal .22 bulk 550 pack review please!

[IDBIGBORE4570]

Love your videos. Thanks for the time you spend doing them.

[henrycems]

102gr is a lot of bullet for the 380 I think that is the problem here. Good video and interesting results thanks.

[Mrcaffinebean]

Fail I won't be choosing this!

[kommando92]

well well done 5 *****

[isaazman123]

wow this is the first bullet that went all the way through the SIM-TEST media

[tnoutdoors9]

@isaazman123

I believe you are correct, and I would NOT have bet on the .380 being the first to do it.

[rogerpemberton]

@tnoutdoors9 I don't get it. How did it do that? Have you ever tested any Buffalo Bore ammo? I prefer the flat nose hard cast for my Bersa Thunder CC.

You say the media was tested with a BB that got 3.7 inches of penetration.

Does this mean you shoot a BB gun into it?

If so, how reliable is the airgun you use? Have you chronyed it?

[BearCIaw]

@isaazman123 ahh spoiler alert

[isaazman123]

@BearCIaw

ha ha sorry bro :)

[TapRackBoom]

its always better than nothing at least. (sorry for repost i was watching two of your videos, i confused them up a bit)