Vijay Iyer Quartet & Rudresh Mahanthappa - Comin´up - Bridgestone Music Festival - 2008

[chicooceano]

I posted this videos and others from this concert in BETTER QUALUTY.

Go check in my videos.

See ya.

[sonocentric]

as i said, hate on.

[dojomania]

Vijay Iyer, you are an egotist and coward, to make comments on my channel, and then run away, block me, you're INSECURE and NOT a true musician. PS is this how you publicize your music? Or do you not think that the "little people" like me actually count?

[dojomania]

why would I waste my money buying your "first fifteen" albums? 

[sonocentric]

to those who really want to play this game, feel free to check out "i'm all smiles" on the album 'tragicomic' (same album as "comin up", 2008), or "darn that dream", "black & tan fantasy," "games" on 'solo' (2010), or "smokestack" on 'historicity' (2009), or or even "algebra" on 'memorophilia' (1995). but why am i even bothering to defend myself? evidently jazz now has a "birther" movement. hate on, bro

[jazzkeys44]

funny, your channel is completely devoted to Hendrix and Woodstock. seems like we are both unqualified if we must know how to play every lick the Bird and Tatum and the likes played.

[teetpiece]

and on the subject of repetition: I wish people would stop drivelling on about "swing" as if it was some sort of valid criteria

[teetpiece]

I wish people would stop drivelling on about "swing" as if it was some sort of valid criteria.

[sonocentric]

hey all - vijay iyer here. this is our live version of a bud powell tune. the harmony has been "reduced" - i intentionally made it static in pursuit of a trance-like feeling. actually in the the original, bud also solos on a "modal" vamp. our version is still in four but each pulse is divided into seven, which yields other rhythmic options. it's rather odd to expect "changes" and "swing" on a piece that isn't meant to have either one. interested listeners can hear me doing that elsewhere.

[dojomania]

Iyer is merely doing a bad copy .. listen to Herbie Hancock, " Triangle' on YT,

In it, Herbie manages to take a wandering tonal center, and link the different musical statements of the solo. It makes sense. He also manages not to repeat himself.

[jazzkeys44]

@dojomania Would you rather music never progressed, and everyone just sat around playing Bird licks? Bird brought about a whole new era of jazz, and at first, people shunned that music too. You would probably be one of those who complained about bop because you couldn't dance to it. Fact is, music is never stagnant, and while you can reminisce about the past and enjoy the music, you have to embrace and find the beauty in what comes after.

[dojomania]

@jazzkeys44 of course music should progress. You talk about "Bird licks" as if you actually know enough about them.. tell you what, post a vid demonstrating your proficiency in playing Bird, to back up your claim, and only then will I listen to what you have to say. @ Vijay, to placate the luddites like me, could you post something more mainstream, let's say, a solo interpretation of All the Things You Are, and show us you KNOW about "traditional" jazz before you dismiss it. Go ahead.

[dojomania]

i looked this guy up on wikipedia.. there have been NO significant jazz artists who have ever collaborated with him ! That says something .

[Djangoblackbird]

@dojomania

I've seen your comments on other Vijay Iyer videos and I have to ask: What is your big issue here? Why do you feel the need to go to video after video of Vijay Iyer putting him down and pining for the past era of jazz? Do you really think Herbie Hancock or Chick Corea aren't being listened to by the modern jazz public? I am a young jazz musician and I can say that most people in my ilk are equally as enthusiastic about the past as we are the present and the future.

[dojomania]

@Djangoblackbird we can argue forever, but the fact is, the guy just doesn't SWING, and it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that SWING, in the words of a great american composer and jazz artist. I mean, it doesn't have to swing in the traditional sense, but it's got to have something in it that I would call musical. A lot of jazz musicians will throw out a ton of notes at you, but if they're all angst-ridden scales that have no relief of a melodic interposition, then, it ain't got that swing.

[Djangoblackbird]

@dojomania

Really? Steve Coleman is not a significant jazz artist?

[dojomania]

my point is this..we don't listen enough to past jazz, 'Trane, Miles, Monk, Chick, Herbie, Bird, Prez., Errol Garner,Bill Evans,Stan Getz...most of Iyer's listeners are new to jazz, and they haven't heard what's been done before, so they think he's the cat's meow, no need to listen to the past..but it's disrespectful to those past masters to not have listened carefully to the majority of their work.There's enough music in "Naima" alone for most of us here,to make you forget about Iyer.

[dojomania]

does the audience actually clap after one of these "solos"?

[dojomania]

i've tried again to listen to this. it's a ripoff of McCoy Tyner, only he took the notes McCoy played in ONE BAR and turned it into a 6:46 minute repetition..there is NO harmonic thought here after the first 4 measures...I don't get it..I've been listening to jazz for 40 years now, I'm sure i can spot a fake when I see one. Can someone actually come up with a musical analysis of his solo ?? all ten notes of it? Is there even one reharmonization in there? His sidemen are superb though

[bareftjacky]

@dojomania

no harmonic thought? how does it sounds good then? By luck it just works? If one enjoy the sound of it, how is it wrong . If monk played anything, you wouldn't question it. Bitches brew is just making a statement, hardly anything more...and people rave about it because it was different.

If you can't except change in jazz, stop listening, idk what to tell you. It's certainly not moving backwards.

I have only listened to jazz for 5 years, and you can fuck yourself =)

[dojomania]

@bareftjacky I don't quite understand the logic of your last sentence ;) .. if you've only listened to jazz for 5 years, then perhaps it might do you some good to listen to what I have to say, I've been listening for 30+ years. "Sounding good" is something subjective, and I can't complain about that, look, flies eat sh--t, it probably tastes GOOD to THEM.. However, I CAN say that Iyer is NOT expounding many significant harmonic concepts other than a modal riff here and there.

[bareftjacky]

@dojomania

Ok. So i don't understand what's wrong with that. Tell me whats WRONG with that. actually wrong.

[dojomania]

@bareftjacky Note that Iyer plays the same scale riff over and over again, this happens at 1:36-1:59, then the same scale and a slight variation from :2:02-2:32..he never merges two different scales.The idea about a jazz solo is to merge different musical ideas together, avoiding repetition, following the framework of the chord progression..Someone like Hancock would have used all the notes from Iyer's solo, and put it into a 5 second 2-bar phrase.

[dojomania]

@bareftjacky Iyer sounds "cool" because he has a great drummer and bssist to back him up . He uses their sound, and the moving sound inherent in jazz to create the impression that he's playing jazz, and sounds cool. Not.

[SamHoffmanJazz]

@dojomania

ya dude i don't know. just check out his album historocity.

in my opinion he's killin and maybe you don't dig this in particular but it doesn't mean you should just talk shit about it. i embrace stuff from the past i just respect vijay for putting his stamp on things

[dojomania]

@bareftjacky re: Monk, you're right, I wouldn't question ANYTHING Monk has done..unfortunately, there's not enough of his music around to listen to. Don't EVEN compare the two.

[dojomania]

I fail to see talent. sorry. 10 notes at the most in the ENTIRE SONG. This is a great example of the emperor having no clothes. He has nerve, talking about Monk. His side men are good though..especially the drummer.. There are probably a bunch of critics out there who would call twinkle twinkle little star an orchestral masterpiece. Wake up.

[SamHoffmanJazz]

@dojomania

vijay knows what he's doing. you obviously haven't really listened to any of his music or you wouldn't be saying that

[dojomania]

@SamHoffmanJazz I've listened to what he's got on YT..how much do I have to listen to ? send me an mp3 of his that is impressive.

[thinkfaster]

@dojomania Oh I get it, you're trolling. You actually know Mozart wrote 12 variations of twinkle twinkle little star and aren't expecting us to be in on the joke?

[spiramus]

6/8 or 2/4.....12/8 or 4/4 ...same thing...It's a jazz thing as we all know ....(if you think in eighth triplets when you're playing 2/4 you've got 6/8 etc....)

[Seefy]

@spiramus

Did you even read what I wrote?

[spiramus]

@Seefy @Seefy I just did...(I had to click on show as it was flagged as spam ...dont know why). Well ....the piece has definitely the 1,2 1,2 , feel .....So ..the meter can be either 2/4 or 2/2 .That said ...the player can subdivide the half note into 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, etc to his(her) heart's content.....and the same can be done within the whole bar . Vijay Iyer seems to be doing that....something that all good drummers are very well acquainted with..heard the 7 & the 5 & the 6 etc. Good job!!

[Seefy]

@spiramus

Lol odd about the spam thing. But yeah, it most certainly has a half time feel of sorts. I just felt that calling it 6/8 or 2/2 would not be doing it justice because the rhythms are deeper than that.

[spiramus]

@Seefy

Yea....2/2 is there for sure.....6/8 has its share as do 7/8 ( a lot ) & 5/8...thnx for bringing that out...good job!! Also Vijay Iyer is of Indian descent .Subdivisions & combinations of 2 & 3 are second nature plus I read he has studied Math & Physics!!

[gillsmcgee411]

its 6/8

AND ITS FUCKING AWESOME

[iwill366]

its in four.

[TheMeEvan]

holy crap this is amazing. Turns into reggae jazz.

[malibashi]

somebody do me a favour and count this odd meter they are using - it's too damn fast for me to comprehend

[ssselvesss]

what delay!?!

[boooyahh]

Rudresh Mahanthappa wasnt even in this video. what the fuck

[isisbabyboy]

wow!!!!!

[Plinblox]

terrific & tight, never would've heard of these fellows without the article in the New Yorker

[lkman4]

the fucking kings right here

[TheRealManzilla]

the future

[chiaro0scuro]

my favourite song from the new album!