Cunt? It sounds like you have Asperger's Syndrome of the fingers. And Paganism is not Matriarchy. I doubt it ever was until a very recent neo-pagan merger with radical feminism. The modern pagans who uncritically believe otherwise are exactly the ones I am challenging in this video.
"Merger"... There doesn't need a formal "merger" between Paganism and so-called "radical" feminism. In their essence they are both the same. It's just a case of removing the various layers of bullshit that the feminist/women's movement has until you basically get to a society built on Pagan morality - ritualised human/blood sacrifice (abortion, wars), Matriarchal/gynocratic structuring of the family unit, collective psychology overwhelming individual thought
I don't know where you are getting your information from, but it is way off the mark. Yes, there is a segment of the modern Neo-Pagan community that your assertions may apply to, but not all of it, and certainly not to actual, historical Paganism.
Yeah fiacharrey you're not fooling anyone, you're just being a tit. Those who admit the Matriarchal nature of Paganism are being honest, you're being an obfuscator.
From A Complete Idiot's Guide to Paganism by Carl McColman
"Pagans realize that Mother Earth/Nature is the ghostly survival of the great Goddess who our ancestors revered as Earth herself. For pagans, reviving Goddess worship and rejuvenating our nature as the the Goddess is a central part of spirituality."
"The word patriarch literally means "the father who rules." Therefore, a patriarchal religion ruled by fathers - either ultimate father (God) or his masculine representatives here on Earth (such as priest, bishops, rabbis, or popes). Incidentally, a matriarch is a mother who rules, so a matriarchal religion is orientated towards the authority of a Goddess and her priestesses.
It's a matter of honesty, something which you (and most other Pagans who are too busy being obfuscators) don't have. Paganism is a Matriarchal, Proto-Feminist, Goddess-based religion. They are the facts. Deal with it.
No, it's a matter of not being an idiot. Something which you apparently have a problem with. I can't help whatever weird delusions you suffer from, but try picking up a dictionary sometime.
LOL you need to check out the myspace forums... the Neo-Pagans on the myspace forums (at least the regularly reoccurred pagans on the myspace forums) are constantly questioning each others beliefs and the beliefs of would be members of the Pagan myspace community :D
I agree with your take on the fear of criticism in the neo-pagan community. Conflict is an inherent principle in Nature and we as neo-pagans should be able to face it as our ancestors did daily, both physically, intellectually and spiritually. This "weakness" in our communal spirit is what keeps our community marginalized.
I am critical of all and mostly my self. After all I am a Chaotist Discordian. We live for the game that is conflict and discussions. As long as a game it stays.
Thanks. I agree that some video would be better, but that's not really going to be an option.
I can't put video up of myself due to privacy concerns, and finding and preparing appropriate video clips is a hell of a lot more time consuming than finding images. Still, if I find some good video to use, I'd be willing to put it in.
Cunt. Paganism is Matriarchy and Matriarchy is bullshit.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Cunt? It sounds like you have Asperger's Syndrome of the fingers. And Paganism is not Matriarchy. I doubt it ever was until a very recent neo-pagan merger with radical feminism. The modern pagans who uncritically believe otherwise are exactly the ones I am challenging in this video.
fiacharrey 3 years ago
"Merger"... There doesn't need a formal "merger" between Paganism and so-called "radical" feminism. In their essence they are both the same. It's just a case of removing the various layers of bullshit that the feminist/women's movement has until you basically get to a society built on Pagan morality - ritualised human/blood sacrifice (abortion, wars), Matriarchal/gynocratic structuring of the family unit, collective psychology overwhelming individual thought
floydianworld 3 years ago
I don't know where you are getting your information from, but it is way off the mark. Yes, there is a segment of the modern Neo-Pagan community that your assertions may apply to, but not all of it, and certainly not to actual, historical Paganism.
fiacharrey 3 years ago
I'm not talking about "segments"; I'm talking about the essense of Paganism. It is Matriarchal, animalistic and naturist/environmentalist in essence.
floydianworld 3 years ago
I know you aren't talking about segments, but you are wrong otherwise. Do you really think our ancient Pagan ancestors were any of those things?
fiacharrey 3 years ago
Yeah fiacharrey you're not fooling anyone, you're just being a tit. Those who admit the Matriarchal nature of Paganism are being honest, you're being an obfuscator.
From A Complete Idiot's Guide to Paganism by Carl McColman
"Pagans realize that Mother Earth/Nature is the ghostly survival of the great Goddess who our ancestors revered as Earth herself. For pagans, reviving Goddess worship and rejuvenating our nature as the the Goddess is a central part of spirituality."
floydianworld 3 years ago
"The word patriarch literally means "the father who rules." Therefore, a patriarchal religion ruled by fathers - either ultimate father (God) or his masculine representatives here on Earth (such as priest, bishops, rabbis, or popes). Incidentally, a matriarch is a mother who rules, so a matriarchal religion is orientated towards the authority of a Goddess and her priestesses.
For pagans, earth is our mother and our Goddess."
floydianworld 3 years ago
From a Pagan poster named Goddess Worshipper on a newspaper comment section:
"It is no wonder women are drawn to the ancient religions where the true worth and position of the sacred feminine is known and revered.
Women are the centre of creation. They nurture our young and there is a bond between mother and child that no man can replicate.
The ancients understood this. The planet Venus was seen as feminine and worshipped as the principal goddess."
floydianworld 3 years ago
It's a matter of honesty, something which you (and most other Pagans who are too busy being obfuscators) don't have. Paganism is a Matriarchal, Proto-Feminist, Goddess-based religion. They are the facts. Deal with it.
floydianworld 3 years ago
No, it's a matter of not being an idiot. Something which you apparently have a problem with. I can't help whatever weird delusions you suffer from, but try picking up a dictionary sometime.
fiacharrey 3 years ago
You want to deny the *essence* of Paganism, fine that's your choice.
floydianworld 3 years ago
LOL you need to check out the myspace forums... the Neo-Pagans on the myspace forums (at least the regularly reoccurred pagans on the myspace forums) are constantly questioning each others beliefs and the beliefs of would be members of the Pagan myspace community :D
Cadell02 3 years ago
I agree with your take on the fear of criticism in the neo-pagan community. Conflict is an inherent principle in Nature and we as neo-pagans should be able to face it as our ancestors did daily, both physically, intellectually and spiritually. This "weakness" in our communal spirit is what keeps our community marginalized.
Iberianlobo 3 years ago
I am critical of all and mostly my self. After all I am a Chaotist Discordian. We live for the game that is conflict and discussions. As long as a game it stays.
AxiomofDiscord 3 years ago
Thanks. I agree that some video would be better, but that's not really going to be an option.
I can't put video up of myself due to privacy concerns, and finding and preparing appropriate video clips is a hell of a lot more time consuming than finding images. Still, if I find some good video to use, I'd be willing to put it in.
fiacharrey 4 years ago
Very good one
Debate and confrontation of ideas, the dialectic way, has always bring growing to the philosphy.
Keep making this videos!
A sugestion, video and not only a slideshow of images will be better.
Aelfarh 4 years ago 2