@godnmyhands Doesn't matter if you disbelieve in Christianity, you can observe a Christian choosing where they worship and who they worship with. The basic right to choose that sort of thing is denied to you if you are a Mormon.
@cindybin i hate to say this, but LDS people are comfortably going to hell and it is tragic! it is either grace or works not both. if you say you believe then let go and let God take the sins. i understand that concept sounds like the easy way out, i used to think that way as well, but is actually the only way. some will say Lord Lord but God will say i do not know you. i'm praying for all people who are in bondage and feel good about it. Praise God for he has overcome the world!!!!!
@hopihawk07 i hate to say this, but LDS people are comfortably going to hell and it is tragic
The ultimate in ignorance. This is what the scriptures say about not judging... It is talking about damning people. And it seems like you feel you are god and can damn a whole group. Sad. It seems to me from an outside perspective you really do not know what the gospel is or what Jesus taught.
@cindybin2001 please trust in the word of God which is the Bible because if it is fallible then the Book of Mormon has no base and it is not a second witness. please read the New Testament as a child. read John first "and the word was God" read Hebrews and how they wanted to still be held to the "law" or first covenant. LDS people are subjected to the old covenant which was only there as a way to show how no person can do it. LDS temple ceremonies have nothing to do with the Old Testament.
@hopihawk07 please trust in the word of God which is the Bible
Now it is making sense. You do not believe in "Jesus only" but sola scriptura. The bible is a book. You do not put your trust in a book but in yoru G-d. You have made your god one of ink and paper.
I find it hard to believe you were ever LDS.
The Law is still in place. All are subject to it. We will be judged by it. We are only saved from it by following and doing what Jesus commanded (John 15:12-14).
@cindybin2001 dear Cindy i totally understand how you would think that way. i felt the same way for over 30 years. i perform Native American "Lamonite" dances and i always preached the "gospel" as the LDS church teaches and did it with full conviction with out any doubts. but by Gods grace 1 week after i baptized my 4th out of my 7 children my eyes were open to the Truth which is Jesus and Jesus only.
This is so ridiculous. The LDS church is more Christian than any other church. It will bring you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
Most christians believe the LIE that they and their bible is right and nothing else can be true but them.They refuse to accept the fact that Jesus never wrote anything himself and that the bible was put together by men.
@umaara100 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcome it not as the word of Men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believed. 1 Peter 1:23, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible seed, through the word of God which lives and abides FOREVER, False prophet Joseph smith didn’t believed in this word,(continue)
The word he is speaking of is not the bible... it did not even exist when this was written... Stop putting your context on it... or in other words... stop trusting in your own understanding and start putting your trust in G-d... not an idol of ink and paper.
@umaara100 and so arrogantly he wrote another book saying Gods word wasn’t true, he didn’t believed this true, so he invested a lie, and posted around the world. Shame on you, and poor you and many other who have believed in this lie, and have their salvation depended on this fantasy.
Christians don't "tear down" other religions or "Christian Sects," they merely expose the truth to those who don't know it. If you are a Mormon you have been misled. All doctrines written by Joseph Smith are false. "Fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine." If you are a Mormon, pray that the one, true God will reveal himself to you. He will, and you will not be judged. Read some publications outside of the Mormon church, do not be afraid.
@st10ar5 Then you should read his first and only revelation, the Bible, and see how it contradicts the Book of Mormon and much of what Joseph Smith said. If you really study the real Word of God you'll see the contradictions. Pray for the scales to be removed from you eyes. Look for contradictions! Don't be afraid!
@jrock2264 HAHAHA!!!! As if the bible is one giant revelation? That's swesome. nice try jrock. actually nothing is contradictory except how YOU translate the words
@st10ar5 Whatever you say. Maybe you don't know the bible well enough to see the contradictions. So be it. BTW, why is it that people who call themselves Christians (like me) area all "wrong" but the LDS Church is right? Why do other churches agree that we (non- LDS) are all Christians but the LDS calls everybody else apostates? Look to the right....all of these testimonies of people like you who left Mormonism for true Christianity. Apparently, I am not your problem.
@jrock2264 you're right, you aren't my problem. I don't have a problem. Ha. Christ has his doctrine. It isn't open to interpretation. There can not be 800 different beliefs that are all correct. There is one true doctrine. And to be honest, I could care less if YOU want to call me christian. I know that I serve Christ and Christ alone and if that doesn't make me christian in YOUR eyes, that's ok.
@st10ar5 I can't claim what you are or are not so it doesn't matter what I think. Yes, there is one true doctrine. A Christian is one who is saved once and for all by Christ's death on the cross, saved by grace and grace alone. If you believe that then you are my brother, no matter what church you attend.
@jrock2264 I can't claim what you are or are not so it doesn't matter what I think. Yes, there is one true doctrine. A Christian is one who is saved once and for all by Christ's death on the cross, saved by grace and grace alone. If you believe that then you are my brother, no matter what church you attend.
@st10ar5 Listen to what this girl says. " Can you find ONE passage in the bible or book of Mormon that says that says God is (3) separate beings? " That caused this girl to leave the LDS church. Because it's not true. Can you show me where it says God is (3) separate beings?
@Sk8er408 Like you said, where to start? Question: why is it that all non-LDS "Christians" do not believe in the LDS church? So, all Christians of all time got it wrong, and LDS is the only true church? Pretty bold claim, dontcha think? Question: have you ever investigated any writings outside of your church? No, because LDS doesn't allow it. Are we really all "apostates" or is it because your leaders are afraid you might find out something? Think about it.
Like the Jews and their denial of the Samaritans... you are just prideful.
I'm not LDS... I've studied more about the bible and religion then you have son.
I'm not sure where you got this LDS does not allow people to read outside stuff... Is this what your youth pastor told you? Why dont you read something that is written by the LDS church? Think about it???
@Sk8er408 Not prideful, just know the truth. If you're not LDS why do you defend them? Unfortunately, you can't know what I've studied. And you didn't answer any of these false doctrines I posted. As far as "youth pastor," I'm quite a bit older than you are....so I doubt I heard anything from a youth pastor. So if you are not a Mormon, what do you believe? Why defend something you don't believe? Please enlighten me.
@Sk8er408 So to answer your question: seer stones? Jesus had to give a "second message?" What was wrong with the first one? "blood oaths?" Where is that in the bible? "Holy undergarments?" Where does Jesus mention this? "Secret temple rituals?" Jesus did away with ALL rituals with his death. Where does this come from? "Baptizing the dead?" Where is that in the bible? "Levels of heaven?'' Where is that in the bible? "God physically had sex with Mary?" Where is that in the bible?
@jrock2264 Seer stones? See 1 Samuel 28:6 Jesus had to give a "second message?" What... like the we don't have four already? Blood oaths? Yes... the Atonement is a blood oath. Jesus promises to wash you with his blood if you do what ever he commands (John 15:12-14). Holy undergarments? See kippa... same tradition Secret temple rituals you have obviously not read the bible. Jesus did away with ALL rituals with his death. Not one jot or title.
@Sk8er408 Don't know you keep calling me son, I'm likely older than you are. Christ fulfilled the law, no more rituals. Uh, what's kippa? Passage for baptizing the dead, and the one where Christ commands it, please. No, those were not "blood oaths," they were sacrifices of atonement, all of which were fulfilled by Christ and no longer necessary ("I did not come to do away with the law, but fulfill it.") The Revelation was the last revelation from God, no need for any more.
@Sk8er408 No more Old Testament rituals. The New Testament mentions (2) rituals, only 2: Lord's supper and baptism. I have been baptized and I take the Lord's supper. But I do those under grace, not under law. Yes, Jewish men wear yarmulke's. Not necessary, but then again, Jewish men who wear them are likely not Christians. I Cor. 15:29 says baptism FOR the dead, not OF the dead.
Blood atonment not blood oaths& yes if you do not accept the Atonement you will pay with your own blood and not be washed clean by his. The Law is still in full force. If not we would not need the Grace Christ extends us. If you deny his grace you will be judge and pay the price for you sins with your blood not his
What revelation was the last?You mean the Book of Revelations? Show me where the bible says this or do you hold a double standard when it comes to you opinion?
@Sk8er408 Actually, it's the book of Revelation, no "s." Why do you think Revelation, the last book written in the New Testament, finishes with God's description of the end of our history and the new kingdom? Because it was the final revelation given to God's people, thorough John. Yes, the law is in force for those who "deny his grace" and do not receive salvation through his free gift. Doesn't your profile say you're an agnostic? Why do you bother with arguing about something
The Book of Revelation (with no S) was not the final revelation. But I’ll put your standard to the test, where does the bible say it is the last?
Deuteronomy 4:2 says teh same thing... you might as well throw away most of your bible. Are you sure you are older then me? Cause your arguments are 5th grade...
@Sk8er408 that you don't even know is true? Your profile says "I find all religion to be good." Really? All religion? If it's all good and all the same how can you even argue a point? BTW, thanks for your time but my time is short. I have a business to run and my time is limited. Regardless, please help me understand as a former Born Again, then Mormon, but not, why do you defend LDS if you're agnostic?
@Sk8er408 BTW, how about Revelation 22:18-19 : "18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book : IF ANYONE ADDS TO THEM, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book ; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." Didn't Joseph Smith add to God's words? Seems like he did.
Baptism is an OT ritual, so I’m guessing you have an exception for that one right?
You do those for grace because you are under the law & without grace you can not fulfill the law. Ok you do not do it for grace, you do it to keep yourself humble so you will accept grace.
Who said anything about it being necessary? Don’t change your augment.
@Sk8er408 Yes, I have an exception because Jesus was baptized and he took (gave) the Lord's supper. Sorry, what you've just said about grace and law makes no sense. Not that I'm stupid, but that doesn't track with any theology I know. I don't even know what you are trying to say. And by necessary, I mean necessary for salvation. NONE of this is necessary for salvation. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and not of yourselves, it is the FREE gift of God so
So you can not understand that it is by grace that we fulfill the law?
Look... if there saw no law there would be no sin and no need for grace. This does not take a genius to understand... It does take one that is not brainwashed though.
@Sk8er408 ....that no one can boast." That's Ephesians 2: 8,9 but I'm sure as a former evangelical and now an agnostic Mormon you know that one. BTW, again, why do you defend something if you're agnostic? Please also comment on my Revelation quote if you will. I really must go, maybe I'll talk to you later.
@Sk8er408 Damn, missed that last comment. 1) I'm not religious, and I'm not sure you know what I believe and 2) how can an agnostic who thinks that truth is subjective say my view, or any view on religion is false or true? Don't you see a problem with that? You keep saying how smart you are. Did you skip logic class in college?
Wait you are not religious? So why are you arguing about religion? why are you again questioning an Agnostic for his reasons? Truth is not subjective. I'm not sure where you got that idea. There is one truth. I only believe what i've found to be the truth.
It is not religion that is false... it is mans opinion of what it should be that is false.
@Sk8er408 First off, you didn't offend me, it will take a lot more than that to offend me. Secondly, you say the Revelation is a 5th grade argument. I'm only stating what is says. Do you belive that the bible is the word of God? I do. And it says not to add or subtract anything from it. If you don't agree argue with God. Thirdly, I'm not religious, I'm spiritual. "Religion" is man following laws to get God's acceptance. I already have His acceptance.
@Sk8er408 So, if truth is not subjective, where does truth come from? If there is no God there cannot be absolute truth. And if there is a God did He communicate His truth to us, or just leave us to try and figure it out? Why am I questioning you? An agnostic says "I don't know." I say 'I do know." You still haven't answered me. If you aren't' sure, or you have a problem with "religon," why do you argue for the Mormon way? Why is is right and another way is wrong? Please explain this.
@Sk8er408 Lastly, you are right: faith is not enough. You need to have an active faith to be fruitful and do God's will. However, faith is enough to get saved and to get God's grace. "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, YOU SHALL BE SAVED. For with the heart a man believes, resulting in righteous, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." Romans 10:9,10 God's words, not mine. Pretty simple.
@Sk8er408 But as an agnostic you may not believe that the bible is God's word. Seems like you don't. So me quoting it won't mean that much. Bottom line is this: we are saved by grace and by Christ's death on the cross or we're saved by our good works. And if we're saved by works then Christ's death was meaningless. Or, there is no God at all. I know where I stand. If you know where you stand then no much left to talk about.
Bottom line is we are saved only thought the Atonement of Christ. Grace faith & works is all a part of the atonement. If we are saved by faith alone his life was meaningless.
There is lots to talk about yet I doubt you have the ability nor the humility to accept the truth that G-d teaches.
@Sk8er408 I appreciate you taking the time to respond but we're done here. You say I lie and that I have an idol. We have different views of being saved. I believe in salvation by grace, and grace along, which is what Christians outside of the Mormon church believe. You have a distorted view of God's word, which is found alone in the Bible. You say agnostic, but you still espouse Mormon beliefs, which are not Christian. And you preach salvation by works and then tell me I don't know....
@Sk8er408 the bible. Grace + Works is heresy and it's been around for a long time. If we needed to work our way to God then Christ died for nothing. My humility is admitting that without the FREE gift of grace (that's by definition) I cannot be saved by God. I am nothing and can do nothing, no good works, witthout his grace and unconditional forgiveness of everything I have done, all of my sins. I can't earn it, I just have to receive it. I am nothing. That is being humble.
Seing as you can not be honest. I said faith and works... not grace and works.
You don't think the bible teaches working your way to G-d?? "but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
I've never said grace was not a free gift.. see you pride makes you ignorant of what i've stated.
If you are nothing then that means you are not saved. If you are saved then you would stop being nothing and become a new creature. I guess you are not saved.
@Sk8er408 Religion says "do," which is what you believe. Do good, make God happy. Christianity says "done." Done on the cross. Saved by His blood, not my good works. We disagree, doesn't make me stupid or arrogant. I'm a Christian, you're a Mormon. That's the end of it. Nothing more to say.
Religion? No Jesus says "do"... but you only believe the parts of the bible that go along with your tradition of what it means to be a christian. Christ say Love G-d love your neighbor as yourself. You have no self worth (you are not saved so why would you have any) and without that you can not love you neighbor as you don't even love yourself... and you don't love G-d as you deny his Word and dont believe you can be anything but a sinner.
@Sk8er408 "I doubt you have the ability nor the humility to accept the truth that G-d teaches." It's comments like that which make you sound like an ass. Why do you think you have the right to question my ability or my humilty? This from a guy who doesn't believe God's word is true but that God only speaks truth by HIs spirit. Really? If God is omnipotent do you really think he would allow a book like the bible to be put together and sold a truth when it's not?
It's comments like "Mormons are not Christian" that make you look like a hypocrite. Truly they do.
Why do you think you care judge an entire group? There is no humility in that, only pride.
Again... show me where i've called the bible not true...? And yes the Spirit is the only source of truth. without it you idol is just that... ink and paper.
@Sk8er408 Let's see, you've called me a liar and said I'm stupid. And yet I'm the hypocrite. You say you believe the bible, but God only speaks through His spirit. I quote the bible, and you say it's by idol. Is the bible the word of God, or not? "You don't think the bible teaches working your way to G-d?? " Absolutely not. Read Ephesians 2:8,9. That sums it up.
@Sk8er408 " Why do you think you care judge an entire group? There is no humility in that, only pride." Let's see, the Mormons say they are the one true church and that everybody else is an apostate? Sound familiar? Are there some Mormons that are Christians? Probably. But Mormon doesn't mean Christian, and Christian doesn't mean Mormon. Christian means Christian.
@jrock2264 Let's see, the Mormons say they are the one true church and that everybody else is an apostate?
Two wrongs make a right? Besides that do you believe in 1 faith, Lord, Baptism? One thing they have right is there is only one way and that way is narrow.
Why dosn't Mormon mean christian? You are right but your context is wrong. Mormon means Saint. Christian use to mean saint but not any more. There are some Christians that are saints. but it lost that meaning long ago.
@Sk8er408 Like I said, we view salvation differently. And I don't know how you "might" think that the bible is holy or inspired, but not infallible? The authors in 2Thes. said they "wrote the words in the bible, led by the Holy Spirit" (paraphrasing) I guess that's good enough for me. Is it in the penmanship of men? Sure. But the words are His inspired words. So to me, the book is from God. Did not Jesus speak as God?I believe in
@Sk8er408 Yes, I believe in one faith, on Lord, and on Baptism. And I believe Jesus is God because he claimed to be. Jn. 15:12-14? Where did I say that we shouldn't love one another or do what Christ said? I'll see your John 15 and raise you Galatians 5:3-4 and 2 Timothy 1:9. BTW, you seem hostile to BAC's. You had a bad experience when you were young, didn't you? Youth pastor? One more questions: so if the Spirit leads us what if we both claim to have the Spirit
@Sk8er408 "I believe in salvation by grace alone... yet the atonement includes faith and works." That statement is contradictory. Christ WAS the atonement. We cannot atone for our own sins, we cannot work our way to God. God's standard is perfection, and none of us can live up. So we are saved by grace, though faith. Ephesians 2:8,9 You believe "knowing God" is subjective to what He tells you through his Spirit. So I should take your word over the words of the apostles?
@Sk8er408 Obviously your definition of "salvation" is different than mine. That's our first problem. You think Christ "saved us" so we could do our own atonement by works. That's still faith + works = acceptance. That is not what Scripture teaches. And either you believe that the Bible is God's word, or it's not. It's either holy and inspired, or it's not. If you don't believe that, we can't have any more discussion because we are coming form two different vantage points.
@jrock2264 You think Christ "saved us" so we could do our own atonement by works.
I do not think that nor did i portray that. You think that we are saved so your strings can be pulled by your puppet master to make you do good works.
Acceptance = faith+works. You had it backwards. or
Acceptance+works=faith or
Works+faith=acceptance... i guess you did have it right. in the end they are all the same thing. If you inject pride then there is no faith or works... just pride.
Are you sure? Did you not read John 15:12-14? Why dont you comment on that scripture? Or is that one whited out in yoru bible?
I believe the bible is from G-d.I just do not view it as infallible like you do and make it = to G-d and above him as the source of truth like most BAC do.
I've never said it was not holy or inspired. Stop assuming something i've never portrayed.
You but a book first. I put God. how can you rebuke me for that?
@Sk8er408 but that Spirit tells us two different things? Punt? Agree to disagree? You say you're led by the Spirit. I say I am, too. But I also read what I think is the word of God. How do two people ever resolve spiritual conflicts if it's only based on what they think the Spirit teaches them? Isn't that a problem? Can the Spirit lead two people into different truth? Bible says God is not a God of confusion. So who's right?
@jrock2264 If God is omnipotent do you really think he would allow a book like the bible to be put together and sold a truth when it's not?
Do you really understand how asinine this question is? Yes... G-d is not a respecter of men. If you do not understand that the bible has been added to and taken away from then you live in ignorance. Tell me what your view on the Comma is?
Or how does Matt get off fulfilling Isaiah 7:14? That is heresy.
As an agnostic I believe what I’ve found to be truth. The bible contains G-d’s word. Seems like you put your faith in an idol over your G-d. You quoting it means little as you only hold to your own opinion of it. Good example is your claim that Revelation is the last word from the apostles.
Faith is not enough, as faith alone is dead & will save no man. Even John 3:16 talks about belief. This is more then faith. Its not about enough to get grace, it is whether U R humble enough to accept that gift. It only takes a little bit of pride to deny G-d&with him grace. It is faith&works together that keeps us humble. I like what Jesus said in John 15:12-14… He only died for those that DO whatever he has commanded. Pretty simple ehh?
Yes G-d communicated to us through the prophets & now directly to us through the Spirit. You are bound by tradition that thinks truth comes from a book (that is a religious thing not a spiritual one). G-d does not leave us alone… we leave him. I’ve not argued for any way just defended the LDS religion from ignorant bigots. I’ve never said any other way is wrong. Unless you believe the way is to be an ignorant bigot… do you?
Unlike you I do not believe truth comes from a book (LOL that’s funny cause you calim to not be religious). Like I said truth comes from G-d only & only form G-d by way of his Spirit. Read your idol… & it will talk about his. I’m kinda confused why you hold up the bible as your god yet do not follow what it teaches. I’ve never claimed there was no G-d.
Not the bible as it didnt exist nor is it complete (its been taken away from&added to)Im not arguing with G-d just Ur ignorant view of a book that U apparently have replaced Ur G-d with. U R preaching to the ultimate unreligious man. But you lie as U R religious you just think by denying it that it makes you somehow better then those that act on their faith. U tow the BAC line along with all the others that claim they R nondenom. U guys give Christians a bad name
If I didn’t offend you stop acting like it. Yes, your view that the BoR says not 2 add 2 the Bible is a weak argument. U obviously do not know much about the bible. No U R not just stating what it says but putting Ur own understanding to it(Probverbs 3:5). The bible is a reflection of the Word that the prophets received. Today we only received truth through the Spirit. Not an idol or medium of ink&paper. Both references(Deut & Rev) R speaking about that specific book.
Yes, I’m an agnostic. Do you understand what that is? It means I only believe what I find to be the truth. I find most Christians have blind faith & follow what their youth pastors have taught them to believe & how to think. Being agnostic means I search out truth. Does being Christian to you mean ignoring the facts & believing in tradition only?
@Sk8er408 Look, we're done here. You say I have 5th grader arguments and that I'm brainwashed. I've met lots of enlightened people; I know, you've seen it all, and now you get it. Then go your way. Be an agnostic and say what you will. BTW, if you want to talk milk-truth arguments James 3 is one of them. That shows me just how unenlightened you really are. I can counter James 3 with 25 passages but I don't have the time and I don't think it would change your mind.
Believe is not faith only. Faith only just does not got it... John 15:12-14 does not teach faith only but to be a doer... and this is coming from Jesus.
Maybe i should apologies. I've obviously offended you... that was not what i wanted to do...
@Sk8er408 "I find most Christians have blind faith & follow what their youth pastors have taught them to believe & how to think. " I'll be you anything this is what turned you off and turned you on the the LDS church. So what turned you off to the LDS church? When did you become agnostic? But I say again: since you don't know for sure what's true how can you argue for or against anything? In theory, you can't, because you are "unsure" of truth, it's subjective to you.
My profile also says that it is people that give religion a bad name.Your ignorance is part of that & your persecution of another religion in ignorance. I argue the point of the truth that most do not know about.
@Sk8er408 O.k., I'm really done now. If you're happy in what you believe and I'm happy lets go our separate ways. In the future, I'd refrain from telling people that their arguments are like a 5th grader if you want them to see things your way. You said I was arrogant, that sounds really arrogant. Don't be such an enlightened agnostic that you become haughty. You might learn something from guys like me.
the whole revelation dont add to is a 5th grade argument. Sorry. But it just is. If you can not use the same logic to what Moses said then it is just not an argument you can honestly use. Besides that John wrote Revelations before his other books.
I'm waiting to learn something... just not ignorant views like revelations says not to add to the bible... that is now what it says.
The only ones that teach this is your youth pastor. The LDS do not teach this. But here is a biblical verse that supports their veiw that Jesus is the Son of God not of the Spirit. No sex needed.
Luke 1:35 The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
You will grow up someday and realize that your disfunctional family is not the gospel and what you are in is not the gospel. Pray for truth and one day you will wake up to the truth, toots.
Apostates don't go to hell, roll eyes, in our beliefs they go to the Tellestial Kingdom, you listened to false doctrine, and believed it, you didn't ever study the gospel for yourself, and then left in ignorance, sad really.
So your seminary teacher said we didn't have any, but he gave you some? LOL Your story is fishy right from the start. The trinity is a false notion that was voted in by Catholic priests at the Nicene Creeds of 300 AD or so, they couldn't decide who the Godhead was, so they voted on the trinity, which is a mass of confusion.
Acts 7:56 is a perfect reference your looking for, Stephen sees just what Joseph saw, 2 seperate distinct people. The tirnity is dead just from this scripture alone.
@mediaboyz I don't think Christian branches are trying to tear up other peoples religion. It's just those people want to hear the truth and not be misled.
Angela, God is with you! He has come to save you! God ONLY can save us. Not Joe Smith, that's for sure. God saved you from that con man and liar. He saved you and your mom from lies and deceptions and this God forsaken 'church'. Pray for those who are still 'blind' , that God will spare them and save them too. Perhaps your testimony isn't enough for some who are not ready to be freed from these lies. As it is written, only God can save us.
Dafrogie. Poor girl I can see why you left the truth; you never read the scriptures. Your seminary teacher acording to you make a funny face and refer to you to the Joseph Smith first vision, she was correct but there is a bunch of scriptures (you can start with the ones that "defrogie" post dawn here) they talk about God's personality. Any way the particular family situation makes this happens easier. Is so easy to convence the convenced.
The Bible says when Jesus returns everyone will know it. It does not say he'll show up in the woods in New York and talk to an uneducated idiot. Now, mormons will say Jesus didn't visit Joseph Smith. Just another rewriting of what they believe.
God Bless You for sharing this testimony ! People need to realize that man made Sects cannot save you in real... So Mormonism is Not way to salvation.. infact it offers way away from Christ !! LEAVE LDS..... GRAB THE HOLY BIBLE.. & STICK TO THE LORD.... ! Love this vid ! God Bless ! Praise Yeshua !
no one could be used as pure blood only JESUS ONLY JESUS SO HIS BLOOD AND HIS NAME IS ABOVE ALL WHO EVER WILL COME TO THIS HERE PLANET OR ANY OTHER PLANET JESUS NAME IS ABOVE ALL NAMES HE IS THE FULLNESS OF THE GOD HEAD BODY JESUS IS BEFORE MOSES BEFORE ABRAHAM BEFORE ALL HE IS THE I'am that iam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS THE WORD OF GOD AND THE BLOOD OF GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HIS SPIRIT AND HE IS THE FATHER IN CREATION THE SON IN REDEMPTION AND THE HOLY GHOST IN POWER!!!!!!!!AMEN.
many have gifts but thats wehere it starts and ends at......GOD IS GREATER THAN joesph smith greater than mary greater than buddah greater than everything and everyone!!greater than mohamed and greater than allah greater than !!!!!!Moses than! eygpt greater than your money and your childen and man or women or whatever!!!!!!!!!!! GOD=JESUS=THE HOLY GHOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS IS PURE!!!!!!!!!!! AND joesph or any one ever born could be used as the pure blood sin offerings! he died so we can live
se palagi toy, aua e ke fiapoko...alu e fa'aoga lau kaimi e fai ai sau mea'aoga. Se ua ma'imau le aulelei o legei keige, a'o legei ua fa'apogisaiga i le fa'avalevalea o isi kagaka fa'aleaga loku
Mormons are sincere believers. Unfortunately, they were taught to believe that only they hold the truth. That's how they were programmed and it will take the Sword of the Spirit to reprogram them
No church can please 100% of its followers. It's natural that a few people will leave and find something that they can more easily identify with. Mormons believe that people can worship Christ however they want, in or out of the Mormon church.
@DevyDoolander because... it's not just about Christ it's about a person's salvation. To be saved or not to be! A person needs to know and understand there are so many different Christs out there!
I was so blessed by your testimony. I was raised in Utah. My dad was saved when I was two years old, but I still have so many Mormon relatives and neighbors. I have been praying for them.
The Gentiles did not know the Jewish God because they were not Jewish. They were not included in the promises that God had given Israel. Through belief in Christ, however, they were "included" in -- Christ is stating he did not just come for the Jews, but for all people. I'm not suggesting any strange theories here.. strictly Biblical. Anyway, it's all stuff you can find yourself from studying the Bible. I encourage you to do so, lots of good stuff!!
The verse you are referring to is John 10:16. The "other sheep" Jesus is referring to is the Gentiles, or those who were not Jewish, who would be included in the New Covenant. He was speaking to the Pharisees, who ironically believed they could earn righteousness by their good deeds and strict adherence to the law, but in this passage Jesus is teaching them that he is the only way anyone can be saved. Much love!
Google: "Mormon Apologetics & Evangelical Neglect: Losing the Battle & Not Knowing it." It was not written by a Latter-Day Saint Christian. Rather, an anti-LDS Evangelical scholar pieces together both sides of the argument & admits that the anti-LDS criticism is lacking & has been refuted. He also notes how LDS Apologists' refutations have been met with silence by the critics.
Like many Mormons I was a "Christian" before I joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. I enjoyed being in the Baptist and Lutheran faiths before becoming Mormon. When I joined the church I left behind a life of alcoholism that I was never able to leave in the past. I am happy now and have a very happy family. Nothing in the church is forced. Your taught things and its up to you to make the changes in your life. The more I follow the teachings of Christ the happier I become.
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
2 Thessalonians 1:
8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Such a beautiful girl turning away from the church the Lord put on the earth. If someone gets excommunicated it's for a reason. Saying you went out of the church to christianity is like saying you leave the armed forces to go in the military. We are christians. God will not tell someone to leave the church He put on the earth. The only one is Satan. Your family issues were your FAMILY issues, not the church's. You argued, not the church.
There are over 1200 Christian denominations in the world. We are told that in the day of judgment every knee will bow and confess that Jesus is the Christ. I hope that on that every Christian, and every sincere follower of God for that matter, can just learn the truth and be in agreeance and stop hating on the other 1199 denominations that they never belonged to.
@chrokeii With all respect, you are out of touch with the general inter-denominational Christian love that exists :-) This exaggerated vicious in-fighting faith-promoting rumor of Mormonism is false. It does exist, but the overriding spirit is that of spiritual unity and worship of Jesus! Grace and peace.
Not true based upon some experiences I have had. It seems that several Christian branches focus their time trying to tear down other peoples religions. I know as before I found out for myself The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is true and joined, I used to attend other "Christian" churches. To me they seemed very un Christlike when they tore down others beliefs. I found several weren't even sure what their beliefs were other than very basic topics.
@chrokeii I don't see very much fighting and hating between religious sects. I have moved all around the country and have found most if not all Christian denominations open and accepting. The styles in worship are to be expected, God created much variety. The conflicting doctrines are to be expected, our understanding will always be flawed and imperfect. The TRUTH is the vast majority or Christian religions are very compatible. I get really tired of this canard.
God's One True Church is without question or doubt "The Reformed Left Handed Dyslexic Church of Latter Day Movementarians"!! I am God's Chosen Exalted High Priest. I am God's Chosen Profit. I have a burning in my bosom!! I'm Holier than you!! Please send me your bank account and credit card account information so that we can enroll you as a tithing member and save you from eternal damnation!!
amen Angelina, your a Beautiful witness! love you sis!! if you enjoy hearing Testimonies, drop by my page and check out mine, it can be found in my Scotty Bee Videos :)
No scriptures that talk of the Godhead being separate beings??? How about Stephen seeing Jesus standing on the right hand of God? It doesn't get more obvious than that.
@1ricky77333 Really? The Bible says all that were created are sons & daughters of God, angels included. Satan was once an angel therefore he is a son of God which makes him Jesus Christ's spiritual brother just as it makes him our spiritual brother.
The events have been proven and the places. Joseph Smith has been proven a false over and over while Martin Luther gets praised. You only hear about Smith more than once a day cause you live in Utah if I'm correct. I mean listen to all the testimonies of people who have left Mormonism. Why would they leave if they are apparently with the true church? They left because they found out for themselves that it was false and wanted the truth. We all have dif. opinions but hey whatever makes you happy.
@dasshnitzel05 Thousands if not millions of mormons before they became mormon were once mainstream christian so I dont think it wise for you to be pointing out statistics without having to play the double standard card, but this usually is what we have to deal with everytime we have to defend our faith, I believe this is why Christ said "Judge not for you will be judged, condemn not and you will not be condemned" and "He amoung you who is without sin my cast the first stone" be wise dude!!!
John 15:26 26.But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Comforter "holy ghost" from the father? and testify of me? theres more proof..
16.And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Pray to his father? and Obviously he is talking about the holy ghost
39.And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
There's the scripture right there. Poor girl!
Jesus (a person) being baptized, Voice speaking from the heavens( Hevenly father) , and a dove (holy ghost "a sign for others to notice")
@yetibiker08 Jesus isn't a religion. It's having a personal relationship with him. Religion is corrupt cause the people have made it corrupt. The bible is the true word of God and the only truth, perhaps you should look into it instead of talking all that nonsense and that Zeitgeist/ Venus Project garbage crap.
I do know Jesus and he is one great dishwasher and I have read the Bible, many years ago and found out that it was a bunch of crap!! Now that book is garbage, Made in China!
Noses - Most folks have them. Just like most people have an ideal, thought, or a feeling on what is "their truth". In most arguments, somebody is going to wrong. My thought/feelings of "truth" is not going to agree 100% with
good luck with all that
godnmyhands 3 weeks ago
@godnmyhands Just saying the "out of the frying pan into the fire" idiom doesn't make logical sense here.
eeikman 2 weeks ago
this girl jumped from the frying pan right into the fire. poor thing.
godnmyhands 1 month ago
@godnmyhands Doesn't matter if you disbelieve in Christianity, you can observe a Christian choosing where they worship and who they worship with. The basic right to choose that sort of thing is denied to you if you are a Mormon.
eeikman 3 weeks ago
@cindybin i hate to say this, but LDS people are comfortably going to hell and it is tragic! it is either grace or works not both. if you say you believe then let go and let God take the sins. i understand that concept sounds like the easy way out, i used to think that way as well, but is actually the only way. some will say Lord Lord but God will say i do not know you. i'm praying for all people who are in bondage and feel good about it. Praise God for he has overcome the world!!!!!
hopihawk07 1 month ago
@hopihawk07 i hate to say this, but LDS people are comfortably going to hell and it is tragic
The ultimate in ignorance. This is what the scriptures say about not judging... It is talking about damning people. And it seems like you feel you are god and can damn a whole group. Sad. It seems to me from an outside perspective you really do not know what the gospel is or what Jesus taught.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 please trust in the word of God which is the Bible because if it is fallible then the Book of Mormon has no base and it is not a second witness. please read the New Testament as a child. read John first "and the word was God" read Hebrews and how they wanted to still be held to the "law" or first covenant. LDS people are subjected to the old covenant which was only there as a way to show how no person can do it. LDS temple ceremonies have nothing to do with the Old Testament.
hopihawk07 1 month ago
@hopihawk07 please trust in the word of God which is the Bible
Now it is making sense. You do not believe in "Jesus only" but sola scriptura. The bible is a book. You do not put your trust in a book but in yoru G-d. You have made your god one of ink and paper.
I find it hard to believe you were ever LDS.
The Law is still in place. All are subject to it. We will be judged by it. We are only saved from it by following and doing what Jesus commanded (John 15:12-14).
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 dear Cindy i totally understand how you would think that way. i felt the same way for over 30 years. i perform Native American "Lamonite" dances and i always preached the "gospel" as the LDS church teaches and did it with full conviction with out any doubts. but by Gods grace 1 week after i baptized my 4th out of my 7 children my eyes were open to the Truth which is Jesus and Jesus only.
hopihawk07 1 month ago
@hopihawk07 Truth which is Jesus and Jesus only.
This does not make sense... or is it an argument against the LDS as they teach Jesus... or did you forget that?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
This is so ridiculous. The LDS church is more Christian than any other church. It will bring you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
Amen!
privatepersonalc 2 months ago
Most christians believe the LIE that they and their bible is right and nothing else can be true but them.They refuse to accept the fact that Jesus never wrote anything himself and that the bible was put together by men.
umaara100 2 months ago
@umaara100 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcome it not as the word of Men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believed. 1 Peter 1:23, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible seed, through the word of God which lives and abides FOREVER, False prophet Joseph smith didn’t believed in this word,(continue)
Chinaculiacan 1 month ago
@Chinaculiacan
The word he is speaking of is not the bible... it did not even exist when this was written... Stop putting your context on it... or in other words... stop trusting in your own understanding and start putting your trust in G-d... not an idol of ink and paper.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@umaara100 and so arrogantly he wrote another book saying Gods word wasn’t true, he didn’t believed this true, so he invested a lie, and posted around the world. Shame on you, and poor you and many other who have believed in this lie, and have their salvation depended on this fantasy.
Chinaculiacan 1 month ago
Christians don't "tear down" other religions or "Christian Sects," they merely expose the truth to those who don't know it. If you are a Mormon you have been misled. All doctrines written by Joseph Smith are false. "Fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine." If you are a Mormon, pray that the one, true God will reveal himself to you. He will, and you will not be judged. Read some publications outside of the Mormon church, do not be afraid.
jrock2264 3 months ago
@jrock2264 God has reveled himself and his doctrine. And I'm a Mormon. :-)
st10ar5 2 months ago
@st10ar5 Then you should read his first and only revelation, the Bible, and see how it contradicts the Book of Mormon and much of what Joseph Smith said. If you really study the real Word of God you'll see the contradictions. Pray for the scales to be removed from you eyes. Look for contradictions! Don't be afraid!
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264 HAHAHA!!!! As if the bible is one giant revelation? That's swesome. nice try jrock. actually nothing is contradictory except how YOU translate the words
st10ar5 1 month ago
@st10ar5 Whatever you say. Maybe you don't know the bible well enough to see the contradictions. So be it. BTW, why is it that people who call themselves Christians (like me) area all "wrong" but the LDS Church is right? Why do other churches agree that we (non- LDS) are all Christians but the LDS calls everybody else apostates? Look to the right....all of these testimonies of people like you who left Mormonism for true Christianity. Apparently, I am not your problem.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264 you're right, you aren't my problem. I don't have a problem. Ha. Christ has his doctrine. It isn't open to interpretation. There can not be 800 different beliefs that are all correct. There is one true doctrine. And to be honest, I could care less if YOU want to call me christian. I know that I serve Christ and Christ alone and if that doesn't make me christian in YOUR eyes, that's ok.
st10ar5 1 month ago
@st10ar5 I can't claim what you are or are not so it doesn't matter what I think. Yes, there is one true doctrine. A Christian is one who is saved once and for all by Christ's death on the cross, saved by grace and grace alone. If you believe that then you are my brother, no matter what church you attend.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264 Agreed. :-) You have a great day and a wonderful Christmas season!
st10ar5 1 month ago
@st10ar5 See, we can agree. You have a great day as well, my friend.
jrock2264 1 month ago
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@jrock2264 I can't claim what you are or are not so it doesn't matter what I think. Yes, there is one true doctrine. A Christian is one who is saved once and for all by Christ's death on the cross, saved by grace and grace alone. If you believe that then you are my brother, no matter what church you attend.
This is what LDS believe...
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@st10ar5 Listen to what this girl says. " Can you find ONE passage in the bible or book of Mormon that says that says God is (3) separate beings? " That caused this girl to leave the LDS church. Because it's not true. Can you show me where it says God is (3) separate beings?
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
LOL... Where to start...
Expose something... anything. What doctrine written by JS is false?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Like you said, where to start? Question: why is it that all non-LDS "Christians" do not believe in the LDS church? So, all Christians of all time got it wrong, and LDS is the only true church? Pretty bold claim, dontcha think? Question: have you ever investigated any writings outside of your church? No, because LDS doesn't allow it. Are we really all "apostates" or is it because your leaders are afraid you might find out something? Think about it.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Like the Jews and their denial of the Samaritans... you are just prideful.
I'm not LDS... I've studied more about the bible and religion then you have son.
I'm not sure where you got this LDS does not allow people to read outside stuff... Is this what your youth pastor told you? Why dont you read something that is written by the LDS church? Think about it???
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Not prideful, just know the truth. If you're not LDS why do you defend them? Unfortunately, you can't know what I've studied. And you didn't answer any of these false doctrines I posted. As far as "youth pastor," I'm quite a bit older than you are....so I doubt I heard anything from a youth pastor. So if you are not a Mormon, what do you believe? Why defend something you don't believe? Please enlighten me.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
How do you know the truth? If your not LDS why do you think you know what they believe?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 So to answer your question: seer stones? Jesus had to give a "second message?" What was wrong with the first one? "blood oaths?" Where is that in the bible? "Holy undergarments?" Where does Jesus mention this? "Secret temple rituals?" Jesus did away with ALL rituals with his death. Where does this come from? "Baptizing the dead?" Where is that in the bible? "Levels of heaven?'' Where is that in the bible? "God physically had sex with Mary?" Where is that in the bible?
jrock2264 1 month ago
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Baptizing the dead
This was practiced by the early Christians.
Levels of heaven?
simple study of the bible son...
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Don't know you keep calling me son, I'm likely older than you are. Christ fulfilled the law, no more rituals. Uh, what's kippa? Passage for baptizing the dead, and the one where Christ commands it, please. No, those were not "blood oaths," they were sacrifices of atonement, all of which were fulfilled by Christ and no longer necessary ("I did not come to do away with the law, but fulfill it.") The Revelation was the last revelation from God, no need for any more.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
No more rituals? So you dont take the Lord's supper? That is a ritual...
Kippa or yarmulke is the hat that Jewish men wear to remind themselves that God is above them.
1 Corinthians 15:29 mentions baptize for the Dead. the Early church also practiced consecrated everything to the church... do you do that?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 No more Old Testament rituals. The New Testament mentions (2) rituals, only 2: Lord's supper and baptism. I have been baptized and I take the Lord's supper. But I do those under grace, not under law. Yes, Jewish men wear yarmulke's. Not necessary, but then again, Jewish men who wear them are likely not Christians. I Cor. 15:29 says baptism FOR the dead, not OF the dead.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Blood atonment not blood oaths& yes if you do not accept the Atonement you will pay with your own blood and not be washed clean by his. The Law is still in full force. If not we would not need the Grace Christ extends us. If you deny his grace you will be judge and pay the price for you sins with your blood not his
What revelation was the last?You mean the Book of Revelations? Show me where the bible says this or do you hold a double standard when it comes to you opinion?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Actually, it's the book of Revelation, no "s." Why do you think Revelation, the last book written in the New Testament, finishes with God's description of the end of our history and the new kingdom? Because it was the final revelation given to God's people, thorough John. Yes, the law is in force for those who "deny his grace" and do not receive salvation through his free gift. Doesn't your profile say you're an agnostic? Why do you bother with arguing about something
jrock2264 1 month ago
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@jrock2264
The Book of Revelation (with no S) was not the final revelation. But I’ll put your standard to the test, where does the bible say it is the last?
Deuteronomy 4:2 says teh same thing... you might as well throw away most of your bible. Are you sure you are older then me? Cause your arguments are 5th grade...
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 that you don't even know is true? Your profile says "I find all religion to be good." Really? All religion? If it's all good and all the same how can you even argue a point? BTW, thanks for your time but my time is short. I have a business to run and my time is limited. Regardless, please help me understand as a former Born Again, then Mormon, but not, why do you defend LDS if you're agnostic?
jrock2264 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 BTW, how about Revelation 22:18-19 : "18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book : IF ANYONE ADDS TO THEM, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book ; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." Didn't Joseph Smith add to God's words? Seems like he did.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Baptism is an OT ritual, so I’m guessing you have an exception for that one right?
You do those for grace because you are under the law & without grace you can not fulfill the law. Ok you do not do it for grace, you do it to keep yourself humble so you will accept grace.
Who said anything about it being necessary? Don’t change your augment.
For or Of, same thing.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Yes, I have an exception because Jesus was baptized and he took (gave) the Lord's supper. Sorry, what you've just said about grace and law makes no sense. Not that I'm stupid, but that doesn't track with any theology I know. I don't even know what you are trying to say. And by necessary, I mean necessary for salvation. NONE of this is necessary for salvation. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and not of yourselves, it is the FREE gift of God so
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
So you can not understand that it is by grace that we fulfill the law?
Look... if there saw no law there would be no sin and no need for grace. This does not take a genius to understand... It does take one that is not brainwashed though.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and not of yourselves, it is the FREE gift of God so
Faith without works is dead... so tell me again how you are saved by grace alone? What about John 15:12-14?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 ....that no one can boast." That's Ephesians 2: 8,9 but I'm sure as a former evangelical and now an agnostic Mormon you know that one. BTW, again, why do you defend something if you're agnostic? Please also comment on my Revelation quote if you will. I really must go, maybe I'll talk to you later.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264 Please also comment on my Revelation quote if you will
I did.
I've already answered the agnostic Q. I only believe that which i find to be truth. You view of religion is false.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Damn, missed that last comment. 1) I'm not religious, and I'm not sure you know what I believe and 2) how can an agnostic who thinks that truth is subjective say my view, or any view on religion is false or true? Don't you see a problem with that? You keep saying how smart you are. Did you skip logic class in college?
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Wait you are not religious? So why are you arguing about religion? why are you again questioning an Agnostic for his reasons? Truth is not subjective. I'm not sure where you got that idea. There is one truth. I only believe what i've found to be the truth.
It is not religion that is false... it is mans opinion of what it should be that is false.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 First off, you didn't offend me, it will take a lot more than that to offend me. Secondly, you say the Revelation is a 5th grade argument. I'm only stating what is says. Do you belive that the bible is the word of God? I do. And it says not to add or subtract anything from it. If you don't agree argue with God. Thirdly, I'm not religious, I'm spiritual. "Religion" is man following laws to get God's acceptance. I already have His acceptance.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 So, if truth is not subjective, where does truth come from? If there is no God there cannot be absolute truth. And if there is a God did He communicate His truth to us, or just leave us to try and figure it out? Why am I questioning you? An agnostic says "I don't know." I say 'I do know." You still haven't answered me. If you aren't' sure, or you have a problem with "religon," why do you argue for the Mormon way? Why is is right and another way is wrong? Please explain this.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Lastly, you are right: faith is not enough. You need to have an active faith to be fruitful and do God's will. However, faith is enough to get saved and to get God's grace. "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, YOU SHALL BE SAVED. For with the heart a man believes, resulting in righteous, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." Romans 10:9,10 God's words, not mine. Pretty simple.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 But as an agnostic you may not believe that the bible is God's word. Seems like you don't. So me quoting it won't mean that much. Bottom line is this: we are saved by grace and by Christ's death on the cross or we're saved by our good works. And if we're saved by works then Christ's death was meaningless. Or, there is no God at all. I know where I stand. If you know where you stand then no much left to talk about.
jrock2264 1 month ago
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Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
7of7
Bottom line is we are saved only thought the Atonement of Christ. Grace faith & works is all a part of the atonement. If we are saved by faith alone his life was meaningless.
There is lots to talk about yet I doubt you have the ability nor the humility to accept the truth that G-d teaches.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 I appreciate you taking the time to respond but we're done here. You say I lie and that I have an idol. We have different views of being saved. I believe in salvation by grace, and grace along, which is what Christians outside of the Mormon church believe. You have a distorted view of God's word, which is found alone in the Bible. You say agnostic, but you still espouse Mormon beliefs, which are not Christian. And you preach salvation by works and then tell me I don't know....
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264 I appreciate you taking the time to respond but we're done here.
See... i offended you again... Prove me wrong that you don't view the bible as an idol? What is your source of truth?
I believe in salvation by grace alone... yet the atonement includes faith and works.
Christ did not teach grace alone. I dont care about your "christian" tradition... Christ doesn't either.
You have a distorted view of G-d if you think you can only find his word in a book.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
what mormon belief have i espoused...? what mormon belief have i defended that is not in the bible?
WHy arn't Momrons Christian? Are you their judge?
I did not teach salvation by works... Christ did in John 15:12-14. I did teach that the Atonement includes faith and works.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
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@jrock2264
what mormon belief have i espoused...? what mormon belief have i defended that is not in the bible?
WHy arn't Momrons Christian? Are you their judge?
I did not teach salvation by works... Christ did in John 15:12-14. I did teach that the Atonement includes faith and works.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 the bible. Grace + Works is heresy and it's been around for a long time. If we needed to work our way to God then Christ died for nothing. My humility is admitting that without the FREE gift of grace (that's by definition) I cannot be saved by God. I am nothing and can do nothing, no good works, witthout his grace and unconditional forgiveness of everything I have done, all of my sins. I can't earn it, I just have to receive it. I am nothing. That is being humble.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Seing as you can not be honest. I said faith and works... not grace and works.
You don't think the bible teaches working your way to G-d?? "but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
I've never said grace was not a free gift.. see you pride makes you ignorant of what i've stated.
If you are nothing then that means you are not saved. If you are saved then you would stop being nothing and become a new creature. I guess you are not saved.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Religion says "do," which is what you believe. Do good, make God happy. Christianity says "done." Done on the cross. Saved by His blood, not my good works. We disagree, doesn't make me stupid or arrogant. I'm a Christian, you're a Mormon. That's the end of it. Nothing more to say.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Religion? No Jesus says "do"... but you only believe the parts of the bible that go along with your tradition of what it means to be a christian. Christ say Love G-d love your neighbor as yourself. You have no self worth (you are not saved so why would you have any) and without that you can not love you neighbor as you don't even love yourself... and you don't love G-d as you deny his Word and dont believe you can be anything but a sinner.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 "I doubt you have the ability nor the humility to accept the truth that G-d teaches." It's comments like that which make you sound like an ass. Why do you think you have the right to question my ability or my humilty? This from a guy who doesn't believe God's word is true but that God only speaks truth by HIs spirit. Really? If God is omnipotent do you really think he would allow a book like the bible to be put together and sold a truth when it's not?
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
It's comments like "Mormons are not Christian" that make you look like a hypocrite. Truly they do.
Why do you think you care judge an entire group? There is no humility in that, only pride.
Again... show me where i've called the bible not true...? And yes the Spirit is the only source of truth. without it you idol is just that... ink and paper.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
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@Sk8er408 Let's see, you've called me a liar and said I'm stupid. And yet I'm the hypocrite. You say you believe the bible, but God only speaks through His spirit. I quote the bible, and you say it's by idol. Is the bible the word of God, or not? "You don't think the bible teaches working your way to G-d?? " Absolutely not. Read Ephesians 2:8,9. That sums it up.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 " Why do you think you care judge an entire group? There is no humility in that, only pride." Let's see, the Mormons say they are the one true church and that everybody else is an apostate? Sound familiar? Are there some Mormons that are Christians? Probably. But Mormon doesn't mean Christian, and Christian doesn't mean Mormon. Christian means Christian.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264 Let's see, the Mormons say they are the one true church and that everybody else is an apostate?
Two wrongs make a right? Besides that do you believe in 1 faith, Lord, Baptism? One thing they have right is there is only one way and that way is narrow.
Why dosn't Mormon mean christian? You are right but your context is wrong. Mormon means Saint. Christian use to mean saint but not any more. There are some Christians that are saints. but it lost that meaning long ago.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Like I said, we view salvation differently. And I don't know how you "might" think that the bible is holy or inspired, but not infallible? The authors in 2Thes. said they "wrote the words in the bible, led by the Holy Spirit" (paraphrasing) I guess that's good enough for me. Is it in the penmanship of men? Sure. But the words are His inspired words. So to me, the book is from God. Did not Jesus speak as God?I believe in
jrock2264 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Yes, I believe in one faith, on Lord, and on Baptism. And I believe Jesus is God because he claimed to be. Jn. 15:12-14? Where did I say that we shouldn't love one another or do what Christ said? I'll see your John 15 and raise you Galatians 5:3-4 and 2 Timothy 1:9. BTW, you seem hostile to BAC's. You had a bad experience when you were young, didn't you? Youth pastor? One more questions: so if the Spirit leads us what if we both claim to have the Spirit
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@Sk8er408 "I believe in salvation by grace alone... yet the atonement includes faith and works." That statement is contradictory. Christ WAS the atonement. We cannot atone for our own sins, we cannot work our way to God. God's standard is perfection, and none of us can live up. So we are saved by grace, though faith. Ephesians 2:8,9 You believe "knowing God" is subjective to what He tells you through his Spirit. So I should take your word over the words of the apostles?
jrock2264 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Obviously your definition of "salvation" is different than mine. That's our first problem. You think Christ "saved us" so we could do our own atonement by works. That's still faith + works = acceptance. That is not what Scripture teaches. And either you believe that the Bible is God's word, or it's not. It's either holy and inspired, or it's not. If you don't believe that, we can't have any more discussion because we are coming form two different vantage points.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264 You think Christ "saved us" so we could do our own atonement by works.
I do not think that nor did i portray that. You think that we are saved so your strings can be pulled by your puppet master to make you do good works.
Acceptance = faith+works. You had it backwards. or
Acceptance+works=faith or
Works+faith=acceptance... i guess you did have it right. in the end they are all the same thing. If you inject pride then there is no faith or works... just pride.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264 That is not what Scripture teaches.
Are you sure? Did you not read John 15:12-14? Why dont you comment on that scripture? Or is that one whited out in yoru bible?
I believe the bible is from G-d.I just do not view it as infallible like you do and make it = to G-d and above him as the source of truth like most BAC do.
I've never said it was not holy or inspired. Stop assuming something i've never portrayed.
You but a book first. I put God. how can you rebuke me for that?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 but that Spirit tells us two different things? Punt? Agree to disagree? You say you're led by the Spirit. I say I am, too. But I also read what I think is the word of God. How do two people ever resolve spiritual conflicts if it's only based on what they think the Spirit teaches them? Isn't that a problem? Can the Spirit lead two people into different truth? Bible says God is not a God of confusion. So who's right?
jrock2264 1 month ago
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@jrock2264 If God is omnipotent do you really think he would allow a book like the bible to be put together and sold a truth when it's not?
Do you really understand how asinine this question is? Yes... G-d is not a respecter of men. If you do not understand that the bible has been added to and taken away from then you live in ignorance. Tell me what your view on the Comma is?
Or how does Matt get off fulfilling Isaiah 7:14? That is heresy.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
6of7
As an agnostic I believe what I’ve found to be truth. The bible contains G-d’s word. Seems like you put your faith in an idol over your G-d. You quoting it means little as you only hold to your own opinion of it. Good example is your claim that Revelation is the last word from the apostles.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
5of7
Faith is not enough, as faith alone is dead & will save no man. Even John 3:16 talks about belief. This is more then faith. Its not about enough to get grace, it is whether U R humble enough to accept that gift. It only takes a little bit of pride to deny G-d&with him grace. It is faith&works together that keeps us humble. I like what Jesus said in John 15:12-14… He only died for those that DO whatever he has commanded. Pretty simple ehh?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
4of7
Yes G-d communicated to us through the prophets & now directly to us through the Spirit. You are bound by tradition that thinks truth comes from a book (that is a religious thing not a spiritual one). G-d does not leave us alone… we leave him. I’ve not argued for any way just defended the LDS religion from ignorant bigots. I’ve never said any other way is wrong. Unless you believe the way is to be an ignorant bigot… do you?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
3of7
Unlike you I do not believe truth comes from a book (LOL that’s funny cause you calim to not be religious). Like I said truth comes from G-d only & only form G-d by way of his Spirit. Read your idol… & it will talk about his. I’m kinda confused why you hold up the bible as your god yet do not follow what it teaches. I’ve never claimed there was no G-d.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
2of7
Not the bible as it didnt exist nor is it complete (its been taken away from&added to)Im not arguing with G-d just Ur ignorant view of a book that U apparently have replaced Ur G-d with. U R preaching to the ultimate unreligious man. But you lie as U R religious you just think by denying it that it makes you somehow better then those that act on their faith. U tow the BAC line along with all the others that claim they R nondenom. U guys give Christians a bad name
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
1of7
If I didn’t offend you stop acting like it. Yes, your view that the BoR says not 2 add 2 the Bible is a weak argument. U obviously do not know much about the bible. No U R not just stating what it says but putting Ur own understanding to it(Probverbs 3:5). The bible is a reflection of the Word that the prophets received. Today we only received truth through the Spirit. Not an idol or medium of ink&paper. Both references(Deut & Rev) R speaking about that specific book.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
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Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Yes, I’m an agnostic. Do you understand what that is? It means I only believe what I find to be the truth. I find most Christians have blind faith & follow what their youth pastors have taught them to believe & how to think. Being agnostic means I search out truth. Does being Christian to you mean ignoring the facts & believing in tradition only?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 Look, we're done here. You say I have 5th grader arguments and that I'm brainwashed. I've met lots of enlightened people; I know, you've seen it all, and now you get it. Then go your way. Be an agnostic and say what you will. BTW, if you want to talk milk-truth arguments James 3 is one of them. That shows me just how unenlightened you really are. I can counter James 3 with 25 passages but I don't have the time and I don't think it would change your mind.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
Believe is not faith only. Faith only just does not got it... John 15:12-14 does not teach faith only but to be a doer... and this is coming from Jesus.
Maybe i should apologies. I've obviously offended you... that was not what i wanted to do...
Sk8er408 1 month ago
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@Sk8er408 "I find most Christians have blind faith & follow what their youth pastors have taught them to believe & how to think. " I'll be you anything this is what turned you off and turned you on the the LDS church. So what turned you off to the LDS church? When did you become agnostic? But I say again: since you don't know for sure what's true how can you argue for or against anything? In theory, you can't, because you are "unsure" of truth, it's subjective to you.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
My profile also says that it is people that give religion a bad name.Your ignorance is part of that & your persecution of another religion in ignorance. I argue the point of the truth that most do not know about.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 O.k., I'm really done now. If you're happy in what you believe and I'm happy lets go our separate ways. In the future, I'd refrain from telling people that their arguments are like a 5th grader if you want them to see things your way. You said I was arrogant, that sounds really arrogant. Don't be such an enlightened agnostic that you become haughty. You might learn something from guys like me.
jrock2264 1 month ago
@jrock2264
the whole revelation dont add to is a 5th grade argument. Sorry. But it just is. If you can not use the same logic to what Moses said then it is just not an argument you can honestly use. Besides that John wrote Revelations before his other books.
I'm waiting to learn something... just not ignorant views like revelations says not to add to the bible... that is now what it says.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@jrock2264
God physically had sex with Mary?
The only ones that teach this is your youth pastor. The LDS do not teach this. But here is a biblical verse that supports their veiw that Jesus is the Son of God not of the Spirit. No sex needed.
Luke 1:35 The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
You will grow up someday and realize that your disfunctional family is not the gospel and what you are in is not the gospel. Pray for truth and one day you will wake up to the truth, toots.
avihal4 3 months ago
Just moving from one Tritheistic religion to another....
hannibalchengthe2nd 3 months ago
Very good girl! Keep your heart and always read story flow and hang onto as much context as possible..
buddo1999 3 months ago
Apostates don't go to hell, roll eyes, in our beliefs they go to the Tellestial Kingdom, you listened to false doctrine, and believed it, you didn't ever study the gospel for yourself, and then left in ignorance, sad really.
wellsjdan 4 months ago
So your seminary teacher said we didn't have any, but he gave you some? LOL Your story is fishy right from the start. The trinity is a false notion that was voted in by Catholic priests at the Nicene Creeds of 300 AD or so, they couldn't decide who the Godhead was, so they voted on the trinity, which is a mass of confusion.
Acts 7:56 is a perfect reference your looking for, Stephen sees just what Joseph saw, 2 seperate distinct people. The tirnity is dead just from this scripture alone.
wellsjdan 4 months ago
"Christians" that love to go around bashing other Christian sects are not Christian themselves.
wellsjdan 4 months ago
@wellsjdan
So true...
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@mediaboyz I don't think Christian branches are trying to tear up other peoples religion. It's just those people want to hear the truth and not be misled.
vikakond 4 months ago
Angela, God is with you! He has come to save you! God ONLY can save us. Not Joe Smith, that's for sure. God saved you from that con man and liar. He saved you and your mom from lies and deceptions and this God forsaken 'church'. Pray for those who are still 'blind' , that God will spare them and save them too. Perhaps your testimony isn't enough for some who are not ready to be freed from these lies. As it is written, only God can save us.
Marflet11 4 months ago
Dafrogie. Poor girl I can see why you left the truth; you never read the scriptures. Your seminary teacher acording to you make a funny face and refer to you to the Joseph Smith first vision, she was correct but there is a bunch of scriptures (you can start with the ones that "defrogie" post dawn here) they talk about God's personality. Any way the particular family situation makes this happens easier. Is so easy to convence the convenced.
chocorey2000 4 months ago
You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. Isiah 43 10-11
999LDS 4 months ago
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Mormons are all lost souls!
SLVRNBLACCATTACC 5 months ago
The Bible says when Jesus returns everyone will know it. It does not say he'll show up in the woods in New York and talk to an uneducated idiot. Now, mormons will say Jesus didn't visit Joseph Smith. Just another rewriting of what they believe.
Smith believed in mulitple wives. Was he wrong?
sixtiesmusiconly 5 months ago 2
@sixtiesmusiconly Bumper Sticker on Joseph SmYth's horse-drawn wagon:
"Life's a BITCH!!...............
And I married 30 of them!!
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
God Bless You for sharing this testimony ! People need to realize that man made Sects cannot save you in real... So Mormonism is Not way to salvation.. infact it offers way away from Christ !! LEAVE LDS..... GRAB THE HOLY BIBLE.. & STICK TO THE LORD.... ! Love this vid ! God Bless ! Praise Yeshua !
jinu03 5 months ago
This is so sad.
italiansurprise 5 months ago
no one could be used as pure blood only JESUS ONLY JESUS SO HIS BLOOD AND HIS NAME IS ABOVE ALL WHO EVER WILL COME TO THIS HERE PLANET OR ANY OTHER PLANET JESUS NAME IS ABOVE ALL NAMES HE IS THE FULLNESS OF THE GOD HEAD BODY JESUS IS BEFORE MOSES BEFORE ABRAHAM BEFORE ALL HE IS THE I'am that iam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS THE WORD OF GOD AND THE BLOOD OF GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HIS SPIRIT AND HE IS THE FATHER IN CREATION THE SON IN REDEMPTION AND THE HOLY GHOST IN POWER!!!!!!!!AMEN.
joypeacelove81 6 months ago
many have gifts but thats wehere it starts and ends at......GOD IS GREATER THAN joesph smith greater than mary greater than buddah greater than everything and everyone!!greater than mohamed and greater than allah greater than !!!!!!Moses than! eygpt greater than your money and your childen and man or women or whatever!!!!!!!!!!! GOD=JESUS=THE HOLY GHOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS IS PURE!!!!!!!!!!! AND joesph or any one ever born could be used as the pure blood sin offerings! he died so we can live
joypeacelove81 6 months ago
se palagi toy, aua e ke fiapoko...alu e fa'aoga lau kaimi e fai ai sau mea'aoga. Se ua ma'imau le aulelei o legei keige, a'o legei ua fa'apogisaiga i le fa'avalevalea o isi kagaka fa'aleaga loku
Noalita0610 6 months ago
Mormons are sincere believers. Unfortunately, they were taught to believe that only they hold the truth. That's how they were programmed and it will take the Sword of the Spirit to reprogram them
GodIsSovereignty 6 months ago
Beautiful testimony, another soul moved by logic and God's wonderful grace.
israelside 6 months ago
Out of the fire and into the frying pan. Not really much of an improvement. Wake up, sheeple.
bensil34 8 months ago
No church can please 100% of its followers. It's natural that a few people will leave and find something that they can more easily identify with. Mormons believe that people can worship Christ however they want, in or out of the Mormon church.
videogigante 9 months ago
@videogigante A few? Officially 40.000 people leave the LDS chruch every year, of which appx 50 out of every 1000 are active.
And thats official figures. You can probably double it.
999LDS 9 months ago
How about we just preach and testify about Christ instead of preaching against different denominations
DevyDoolander 9 months ago
@DevyDoolander because... it's not just about Christ it's about a person's salvation. To be saved or not to be! A person needs to know and understand there are so many different Christs out there!
idjmic 8 months ago
I was so blessed by your testimony. I was raised in Utah. My dad was saved when I was two years old, but I still have so many Mormon relatives and neighbors. I have been praying for them.
Chloe1044 9 months ago
@Chloe1044 Dont just pray for them, give them the truth,
999LDS 9 months ago
God is reaching out to people through people saving people from false prophets.
joannelarcher 9 months ago
@dickclarkfan1
The Gentiles did not know the Jewish God because they were not Jewish. They were not included in the promises that God had given Israel. Through belief in Christ, however, they were "included" in -- Christ is stating he did not just come for the Jews, but for all people. I'm not suggesting any strange theories here.. strictly Biblical. Anyway, it's all stuff you can find yourself from studying the Bible. I encourage you to do so, lots of good stuff!!
DoomMeows 9 months ago
@DickClarkFan1
The verse you are referring to is John 10:16. The "other sheep" Jesus is referring to is the Gentiles, or those who were not Jewish, who would be included in the New Covenant. He was speaking to the Pharisees, who ironically believed they could earn righteousness by their good deeds and strict adherence to the law, but in this passage Jesus is teaching them that he is the only way anyone can be saved. Much love!
DoomMeows 9 months ago
@DoomMeows The gentiles were already in the middle east at the time of Christ, so they knew. Try again.
dickclarkfan1 9 months ago
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Google: "Mormon Apologetics & Evangelical Neglect: Losing the Battle & Not Knowing it." It was not written by a Latter-Day Saint Christian. Rather, an anti-LDS Evangelical scholar pieces together both sides of the argument & admits that the anti-LDS criticism is lacking & has been refuted. He also notes how LDS Apologists' refutations have been met with silence by the critics.
metallicarox80s 10 months ago
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LDSfaithDefender 10 months ago
"He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock." Jeremiah 31:10
How does any other religion take into consideration the restoration of the House of Israel???
WinFREEsilver 10 months ago
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Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
AmericanLDS 10 months ago
Like many Mormons I was a "Christian" before I joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. I enjoyed being in the Baptist and Lutheran faiths before becoming Mormon. When I joined the church I left behind a life of alcoholism that I was never able to leave in the past. I am happy now and have a very happy family. Nothing in the church is forced. Your taught things and its up to you to make the changes in your life. The more I follow the teachings of Christ the happier I become.
AmericanLDS 11 months ago
@AmericanLDS Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
2 Thessalonians 1:
8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
rickgigliotti 10 months ago
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@rickgigliotti
Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
AmericanLDS 10 months ago
Traitor !!!
Armornone 11 months ago
"Out of Mormonism into Christianity."
The official name of the "Mormon Church" is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
The title of this video is invalid.
loqutor 11 months ago
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
1ricky77333 1 year ago
Shes purdie :)
ChrisVitchev 1 year ago
Such a beautiful girl turning away from the church the Lord put on the earth. If someone gets excommunicated it's for a reason. Saying you went out of the church to christianity is like saying you leave the armed forces to go in the military. We are christians. God will not tell someone to leave the church He put on the earth. The only one is Satan. Your family issues were your FAMILY issues, not the church's. You argued, not the church.
majinish 1 year ago
There are over 1200 Christian denominations in the world. We are told that in the day of judgment every knee will bow and confess that Jesus is the Christ. I hope that on that every Christian, and every sincere follower of God for that matter, can just learn the truth and be in agreeance and stop hating on the other 1199 denominations that they never belonged to.
chrokeii 1 year ago
@chrokeii With all respect, you are out of touch with the general inter-denominational Christian love that exists :-) This exaggerated vicious in-fighting faith-promoting rumor of Mormonism is false. It does exist, but the overriding spirit is that of spiritual unity and worship of Jesus! Grace and peace.
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago 7
@aaronshaf2006 tumbs up, mormons bow to a false jesus
QuantumProphet 10 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 Except Catholics, who are satanists.
jamesbonq 5 months ago
@jamesbonq That's a terribly uncharitable thing to say, and completely false. Upon what facts do you make this assertion?
cburton103 5 months ago
@aaronshaf2006
Not true based upon some experiences I have had. It seems that several Christian branches focus their time trying to tear down other peoples religions. I know as before I found out for myself The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is true and joined, I used to attend other "Christian" churches. To me they seemed very un Christlike when they tore down others beliefs. I found several weren't even sure what their beliefs were other than very basic topics.
mediaboyz 4 months ago
@chrokeii mormons use the name of jesus as a mantra, in reality they worship theirs sexualy depraved womanizer prophets
QuantumProphet 10 months ago
@chrokeii I don't see very much fighting and hating between religious sects. I have moved all around the country and have found most if not all Christian denominations open and accepting. The styles in worship are to be expected, God created much variety. The conflicting doctrines are to be expected, our understanding will always be flawed and imperfect. The TRUTH is the vast majority or Christian religions are very compatible. I get really tired of this canard.
mjs48130 5 months ago
@mjs48130 Guess you've never lived in Salt Lake??
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
@chrokeii Well, if the 1199 heathen denominations would just shut up and die off, everything would be alright!!
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
if 1199 are heathen, are you implying that there would be 1 true one?
Drooblemeister 4 months ago
@Drooblemeister Well, look who just showed up for school??
God's One True Church is without question or doubt "The Reformed Left Handed Dyslexic Church of Latter Day Movementarians"!! I am God's Chosen Exalted High Priest. I am God's Chosen Profit. I have a burning in my bosom!! I'm Holier than you!! Please send me your bank account and credit card account information so that we can enroll you as a tithing member and save you from eternal damnation!!
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
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your a beautiful witness sweetie, love in Christ. my testimony can be found on my page in scotty bee videos :)
SCOTTYBEE4JC 1 year ago
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amen Angelina, your a Beautiful witness! love you sis!! if you enjoy hearing Testimonies, drop by my page and check out mine, it can be found in my Scotty Bee Videos :)
SCOTTYBEE4JC 1 year ago
No scriptures that talk of the Godhead being separate beings??? How about Stephen seeing Jesus standing on the right hand of God? It doesn't get more obvious than that.
1pt21jigawatt 1 year ago
Also -- think of just this one doctrine in mormonism -- that Jesus and Satan are brothers.
That is as satanic as it can get.
Only Hell awaits anyone who holds to this.
1ricky77333 1 year ago
@1ricky77333 Really? The Bible says all that were created are sons & daughters of God, angels included. Satan was once an angel therefore he is a son of God which makes him Jesus Christ's spiritual brother just as it makes him our spiritual brother.
majinish 1 year ago
Anyone who truly studies the Bible and goes through it finds out what a lie mormonism is.
Most people will say they have read the Bible completely when they know they haven't.
Joseph Smith is the proud owner today of one of the worlds most false religions.
He lied at every turn.
When you actually "test" mormonism with the Bible you run as fast as you can.
1ricky77333 1 year ago
@1ricky77333 Wrong. I know the Bible and have studied it which is how I know the church is true.
majinish 1 year ago
The events have been proven and the places. Joseph Smith has been proven a false over and over while Martin Luther gets praised. You only hear about Smith more than once a day cause you live in Utah if I'm correct. I mean listen to all the testimonies of people who have left Mormonism. Why would they leave if they are apparently with the true church? They left because they found out for themselves that it was false and wanted the truth. We all have dif. opinions but hey whatever makes you happy.
dasshnitzel05 1 year ago
@dasshnitzel05 Thousands if not millions of mormons before they became mormon were once mainstream christian so I dont think it wise for you to be pointing out statistics without having to play the double standard card, but this usually is what we have to deal with everytime we have to defend our faith, I believe this is why Christ said "Judge not for you will be judged, condemn not and you will not be condemned" and "He amoung you who is without sin my cast the first stone" be wise dude!!!
Dafrogie 1 year ago
John 14:16–17
John 15:26 26.But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Comforter "holy ghost" from the father? and testify of me? theres more proof..
anglwatchinme247 1 year ago
John 14:16–17
16.And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Pray to his father? and Obviously he is talking about the holy ghost
anglwatchinme247 1 year ago
Matthew 26:39.
39.And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Who was he praying to? His self?
anglwatchinme247 1 year ago
Matthew 3:16–17
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
There's the scripture right there. Poor girl!
Jesus (a person) being baptized, Voice speaking from the heavens( Hevenly father) , and a dove (holy ghost "a sign for others to notice")
anglwatchinme247 1 year ago
RELIGION IS FOR THE WEAK AND INFIRM! RELIGION IS CORRUPT AND JESUS NEVER EXISTED! MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
yetibiker08 1 year ago
@yetibiker08 Jesus isn't a religion. It's having a personal relationship with him. Religion is corrupt cause the people have made it corrupt. The bible is the true word of God and the only truth, perhaps you should look into it instead of talking all that nonsense and that Zeitgeist/ Venus Project garbage crap.
dasshnitzel05 1 year ago
@dasshnitzel05
I do know Jesus and he is one great dishwasher and I have read the Bible, many years ago and found out that it was a bunch of crap!! Now that book is garbage, Made in China!
yetibiker08 1 year ago
That's "Respect". Sorry for leaving off the T.
Treat each other with respect.
aclsalrfp 1 year ago
Noses - Most folks have them. Just like most people have an ideal, thought, or a feeling on what is "their truth". In most arguments, somebody is going to wrong. My thought/feelings of "truth" is not going to agree 100% with