800 dollars for that??? HEY! if i want that cymbal i can buy a normal 21" Vault Artisan Ride, bury that in my garden for 8 months and i'll have it! it's the same thing or what??
@MultiSmaragd that is not the only way to do it. They age the cymbals in the vault anyway (where after 8 months they will mature, even slightly). Therefore you'd have to take a cymbal and record it before burying, then record it after 8 months of being both in the ground and in the vault...
Soooo, I'm thinking I'm gonna go put my Evolutions in the ground for the next year. Just pull out the AAX's for temps, see what it does to some HHX's being under there!
sabian should burry cymbals all the time. but not only rides but crashes, hi hats, chinas, and splashes. they should test it out and see how they sound.
The buried one is so much better for Heavy music and the vault is so much better for jazz in my opinion.
Dang those buried cymbals sound amazing to my ear though I would almost say that you guys should make sets of "buried" cymbals and sets of Vault cymbals.
im still fairly new to drumming (7 months) but could you put a cymbal in a box and bury it for 8 months and then take it out and it will sound different?
However, there is no way to know how it is going to sound because so many variables can influence the sound (type of soil, type of cymbal, allow, moisture of the soil, if it rained etc...)
It is nice from Sabian to try something so radical!
Cymbals are coated with a substance that prevents against a degree of weathering, which increases the life of the cymbal but changes the sound. If you ground-age the cymbal, the coating degrades and the cymbal is subject to weathering, which will change the sound.
As far as I know, and logically speaking, the purpose of aging a cymbal in the ground is to get dirt/earth into the grooves of the cymbal and thus dampening/altering the sound. This is called a "patina". The cymbal that Mark Love is demoing here has no dirt on it at all and looks brand-new, the same as the vault aged one... it would make more sense for it to look and sound dirty, no??
However, to me, the experiment doesn't prove anything.
With the Artisans, each cymbal sounds different anyway, You can't attribute the difference to the burying.(the buried one of the second pair didn't sound drier to my ear.)
You'd need before-and after soundfiles of the same cymbal to prove the effect - and of a similar one that aged on the shelf for control.
With a statistically relevant number of units this would tell something.
On the sabian site, the one of 100 page explains their motivation. It wasnt to prove anything and wasnt an experiment. It was just requested of them so much that they did it for 100 of them and they sold immediately. It was just to satisfy the curiousity of those first 100 customers ready and waiting for them.
@SebCo77 id say there is a very distinct difference between the second pair as well. the buried one of the second pair sounds like a slightly heavier cymbal with a faster decay. so i agree that dry isnt necessarily the correct term to describe it but i do definately see a difference.
@SebCo77 although since there's a hundred of the buried ones and no doubt a lot more of the vault aged ones, it would be extremely easy to distinguish the overall differences between vault aged and earth aged.
I'm sure if they were to do it again they may do a more controlled test. This however was just to see the general difference between ageing in the vault and ageing in the ground, to which end they succeeded!
I realise you comment is a year old, so i apologise if you dont care anymore!
@dave90mckeague I think the only difference is between the individual cymbals, the soil has no effect on sound.
Agree that the only way to tell if the burying makes sense sonically would be to take two more similar cymbals, record both of them, let one sit on the shelf and bury the other. Then record them again in identical surroundings and hear if there's any difference between the two, or even just before and after, with any of them. Or, do a live blind test between the 2 aged ones.
Very interesting! I'm quite torn between the two. I like the bright sound and long sustain of the vault aged one but I also like the warmth of the soil aged one.
I have to say it was fantastic of Sabian to put the time, effort and money into doing this, not to mention that they're donating part of the proceeds to charity and having people on a tour of the factory when buying the cymbal.
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passion4drums 3 months ago
That wasn't meant for anyone specific.
UncleNateorade 5 months ago
It seems to me that this guy is actually in the room with the cymbals, playing them. You are not. You are listening via Youtube. You figure it out.
UncleNateorade 5 months ago
Burying cymbals in the ground? Sabian is the only cymbal company that will stick their products in the ground and foresee good results!!!
ThomasMetal75 6 months ago
800 dollars for that??? HEY! if i want that cymbal i can buy a normal 21" Vault Artisan Ride, bury that in my garden for 8 months and i'll have it! it's the same thing or what??
tommasotemporin 8 months ago
@tommasotemporin no because the cymbals were not completely hammered before they buried them
moleboythedrummer100 3 months ago
@MultiSmaragd that is not the only way to do it. They age the cymbals in the vault anyway (where after 8 months they will mature, even slightly). Therefore you'd have to take a cymbal and record it before burying, then record it after 8 months of being both in the ground and in the vault...
...your logic fails.
dave90mckeague 1 year ago
@MultiSmaragd wow you must play zildjian...
Jaythedrummerman 1 year ago
Soooo, I'm thinking I'm gonna go put my Evolutions in the ground for the next year. Just pull out the AAX's for temps, see what it does to some HHX's being under there!
Only half kidding.
StillnessinMotion 2 years ago
i wish i can go in this factory and i can take one of these millions of cymbals! :D
Pianodrum95 2 years ago 2
sabian should burry cymbals all the time. but not only rides but crashes, hi hats, chinas, and splashes. they should test it out and see how they sound.
struffy17 2 years ago
@struffy17 I actually love the crashed sound of the buried one, but I prefer the ping of the non buried
Salzcamino 2 years ago
they´re all not same in pitch, so its hard to compare
DubsMood 2 years ago 3
The buried one is so much better for Heavy music and the vault is so much better for jazz in my opinion.
Dang those buried cymbals sound amazing to my ear though I would almost say that you guys should make sets of "buried" cymbals and sets of Vault cymbals.
buttersworth13 2 years ago
nine year old cymbals sound quite good! hand hammered! the best
cucus78 2 years ago
mayor west !!
great sounding cymbals
wouldn't mind a couple of these in my set up :-P
JamesTheDrummerXD 2 years ago
thats pretty cool
jackmaggotdude 2 years ago
damn, if he can play uptempo patterns with those hugeass gloves on, he could swing like a mofo without em
epasurr 2 years ago 2
What's next? A cymbal that's been in a room full of chain smokers for a year to simulate the environment of a 1960's Jazz club?
houseofchintz 2 years ago 67
this is the best youtube comment ive ever read.
AHarris128 2 years ago
@houseofchintz haha i would totally do that
xXguitardude9Xx 1 year ago
On the second set, you can really hear the bell hum on the buried one.
garytheagnostic 2 years ago
could we buy a vault, then bury it for an extremely full tone???
guitarnick914 2 years ago
The ones that were buried sound amazing. Very dry tone. I dig that
Drummerthatismetal 2 years ago
i did this with my splash cymbal
it started sounding very high pitch,almost like a china,with a sharp attack
now its a dark low pitched,and the bow is now brown like the dirt
The1ne07 2 years ago
I was expecting them to sound more "clicky" but they still sound nice though.
SomethingWeird42 2 years ago
im still fairly new to drumming (7 months) but could you put a cymbal in a box and bury it for 8 months and then take it out and it will sound different?
Scoreking81 2 years ago
seems so...
However, there is no way to know how it is going to sound because so many variables can influence the sound (type of soil, type of cymbal, allow, moisture of the soil, if it rained etc...)
It is nice from Sabian to try something so radical!
Smpte11 2 years ago 2
not in a box... only if it has a crapload of holes in it...
Stronclog 2 years ago
Definitely! But most likely it would sound worse. It depends on where you plant it, what type of soil, etc.
SuperChuck3 2 years ago
You definitely can.
Cymbals are coated with a substance that prevents against a degree of weathering, which increases the life of the cymbal but changes the sound. If you ground-age the cymbal, the coating degrades and the cymbal is subject to weathering, which will change the sound.
danphoenixfire 2 years ago
Good on Sabian, lots of people bagging them on this but without innovation we go nowhere. I like low pitched and dark so hope they do some 22" thins.
badwaster 2 years ago 3
As far as I know, and logically speaking, the purpose of aging a cymbal in the ground is to get dirt/earth into the grooves of the cymbal and thus dampening/altering the sound. This is called a "patina". The cymbal that Mark Love is demoing here has no dirt on it at all and looks brand-new, the same as the vault aged one... it would make more sense for it to look and sound dirty, no??
CLWarunki 2 years ago
it actually looks a bit darker, kinda gilded
tragabicholapues 2 years ago
I agree.
It appears that they have cleaned the cymbals thoroughly after the aging. I would assume you'd get more desirable qualities if they weren't cleaned.
drycomplexity 2 years ago
Patina is a layer of oxide on the surface of the cymbal, not dirt.
TheFiery 2 years ago
Nice sounds!
However, to me, the experiment doesn't prove anything.
With the Artisans, each cymbal sounds different anyway, You can't attribute the difference to the burying.(the buried one of the second pair didn't sound drier to my ear.)
You'd need before-and after soundfiles of the same cymbal to prove the effect - and of a similar one that aged on the shelf for control.
With a statistically relevant number of units this would tell something.
Not like this, though - sorry to say.
SebCo77 2 years ago 12
I agree. Plus, the sound quality is terrible on this.
By the way : I like the way he picks up that stick at 0:50 !
proutboy 2 years ago 2
On the sabian site, the one of 100 page explains their motivation. It wasnt to prove anything and wasnt an experiment. It was just requested of them so much that they did it for 100 of them and they sold immediately. It was just to satisfy the curiousity of those first 100 customers ready and waiting for them.
etherealeyes 2 years ago
@SebCo77 id say there is a very distinct difference between the second pair as well. the buried one of the second pair sounds like a slightly heavier cymbal with a faster decay. so i agree that dry isnt necessarily the correct term to describe it but i do definately see a difference.
zinnful 1 year ago
@SebCo77 they are close sound tho
salomon102 1 year ago
@SebCo77 although since there's a hundred of the buried ones and no doubt a lot more of the vault aged ones, it would be extremely easy to distinguish the overall differences between vault aged and earth aged.
I'm sure if they were to do it again they may do a more controlled test. This however was just to see the general difference between ageing in the vault and ageing in the ground, to which end they succeeded!
I realise you comment is a year old, so i apologise if you dont care anymore!
dave90mckeague 1 year ago
@dave90mckeague I think the only difference is between the individual cymbals, the soil has no effect on sound.
Agree that the only way to tell if the burying makes sense sonically would be to take two more similar cymbals, record both of them, let one sit on the shelf and bury the other. Then record them again in identical surroundings and hear if there's any difference between the two, or even just before and after, with any of them. Or, do a live blind test between the 2 aged ones.
SebCo77 1 year ago
couple on pints at a gig and the drummer wont notice
WelcomeToRapture08 2 years ago
notice at 2.07. He has no felts on!
HydraulicSandwich 2 years ago
wow, i like a lot how the unearthing sounds, but they are too expensive =[
miikee90 2 years ago
its all personal preference but i like darker sounding cymbals.
VerdiKtagrad 2 years ago 3
I like the dark sound of the soil aged
KKV13 2 years ago 3
mm they sound beautiful.
proto35 2 years ago
Very interesting! I'm quite torn between the two. I like the bright sound and long sustain of the vault aged one but I also like the warmth of the soil aged one.
I have to say it was fantastic of Sabian to put the time, effort and money into doing this, not to mention that they're donating part of the proceeds to charity and having people on a tour of the factory when buying the cymbal.
I'd love one of these!
mrvalerian 2 years ago
every cymbal sounds different, you cant compare them
i prefer the vault cymbal
Alisterbmx 2 years ago 2
i prefere the vault one sounds better to me :)
a1b1c2c2 2 years ago 2