You can't compare a lawyer with full coverage to a person working for a temp. agency. Of course he likes the system in the U.S. is better for him is because he is covered. SCOOT YA SEATS UP!!!
My Grandmother spends half of the year in Calgary and the other half in Arizona, and she recently told me that she thinks she is having heart problems, but refuses to see a physician because she doesn't want to lose her ability to obtain health care for the winter months she spends in Phoenix.
5,000 mobile clinics would cost $5,000 million ($5 billion) per year . . . just a very small percentage of the $700 billion that is spent on Medicare each year. Those mobile clinics could provide regular health care to the millions who are not covered at the same time they provide alternative service to seniors on Medicare. That would be a start. 1,000 new hospitals (at a cost of $100,000 million ($100 billion) per year would be the next step. This would still be a small portion of Medicare.
The Canadian health system is better then the American system, but I'm just glad the Australian system is better again. I'm not by any means saying it is the best but it is better then north America.
The American health system is fucked....what is the point of having theses great doc's if your people can't access them. It is criminal how your government treats it's people.
Why is U.S. healthcare so expensive. How about you take this into consideration, I have to take provigil for EDS - Excessive daytime sleepiness.
With insurance it cost $300 a month $900 without.
Yet I buy generic which is not sold in the U.S. it from India (same medication) for $40 a month.
We regulate the drug companies out of business that is why they charge us an arm and a leg. If healthcare is cheap everyone can have it but you cant make it cheap if you sue & over regulate.
@StupidCommentsMademe If you don't regulate, you have profit hungry companies taking short cuts. Hell that happens even now because the FDA is bought and paid for, so meds that should never pass, do, and end up harming or killing people.
@Swidhelm There need to be standards but all this regulation has made it impossible for honest companies to function. The companies are going to go for profits regardless of what we do but if you have a system with less regulation some companies will pride themselves on their honesty to attract business. But right now the system is so screwy that there is no way to operate a business than using loop holes. Regulation hurt the honest more, because the dishonest will just be more dishonest.
@TheJacobhoward56 You do know it's more expensive to eat healthy right? If you don't have a lot of disposable income, you eat cheap. You eat cheap, you get lots of processed sugar, saturated fats, and calories galore.
@MadHabber93 i never said " they were the same. " i said they have the same currency with more people and more buying power. i am the one who is consistently correcting you, while you keep talking about things i never said.
how many of your " facts " have i proved wrong today?
America the only place where you have to sell your home if you need an operation. America preaches to the world on how to look after one another, and their governments can not even do it for their own citizens. When it comes to Health Care - America you are a Joke, love always Rest of World :)
Healthcare is something that is as natural as getting help from police or fire department in most countrys. Tax money is ok if it goes to something sensible. Peoples health is something very very important. We have to take care of each other, the cost of not doing so is so much higher in the long term.
Canada a far better system profits over people is a cruel and unusual way to say how your citizens recieve health care. America is a G1 country healthy = more GDP and a better society.
We need to research into donors of all US elected officials who many place people into office. In 2011 the US US Supreme Court had 5 justices who did not certify Dukes V Walmart. Also in 2011, Costco Wholesale's legal council supported Walmart's petition against Betty Dukes and can be found on the official websites of the US Supreme Court and the American Bar Association. PBS should investigate the nonprofit organization American Legal Exchange Council, A.L.E.C. that is almost 40 years old.
It would be great if Conservatives and liberals could minimize profanity.
The behavior of the current elected Democratic and Republican officials annoy people to include those who rarely get involved in local meetings, barely study the issues and the histories of all candidates. Apathy and indifference is allowing the dismantling the success made by all progressives Republicans and Democrats.
Why does Canada have such long waiting lists? Here in Australia you don't wait very long for urgent needs, and if you pay for good private health insurance there are next to no waiting times, which doesn't cost all that much. For mid range healthcare it costs not much more than you might pay for an internet service and your phone bill. Is there little/no privatisation of healthcare in Canada?
@Freshbott2 We don't wait long for urgent care in Canada. Wait lists are for elective procedures, and are not as bad as protrayed by U.S. reporters. There is some privatisation in Canada, but not to the same two tiered system as Australia.
@Freshbott2 system is different. In Canada I think they control the amount of supplies and the more emergent get care first. there's little privatization of healthcare in Canada.
@Freshbott2 we have long wait list because a certian percentage of doctors are greedy and leave for the states to make millions a year as we are so close to the us and the equivancey is just as high or higher out of montreal thank god the ones who are moral stay, i say no loss just up the number of trained doctors and flood the market, like they do in every other profession.ps many come back after not being able to treat thier patients and the constant struggle with american insurance companies!
@Freshbott2 They're exaggerating the waiting lists by a longshot. I've been through two serious illnesses in my lifetime and never had an unreasonably long wait for anything I had to have done. Don't know a single person here who has had an unreasonable wait time, people just like to bitch sometimes and of course that gets fed to the American public to scare them off of reforming their system which is awful.
OMG your country is terrible in looking after your own, I'm glad I live in Australia. Maybe move to Canada and live. It beats dying......waiting lists, most citizens under public health care that can afford it, usually have private care as well. GET with the TiMES Red Necks !!!
@TheKaBlamski Yep, its amazing what was once the biggest economy in the world couldnt care for its own people! Ive broken a leg, hip, been burnt, knee reco and soon disc surgery,all for free.. Oh tonsils out too.. FREE. No if our government
canada your healthcare keeps getting worst #31 and 4th in spending. it would be different if you had good hospitals, you don't. you paying money in taxes for crappy hospitals.
your universal healthcare ( yours, not in general ) is a black hole. in twenty years it will be assuming much of your economy for less and less results.
@mrfwest #31 in what ranking? WHO? The same one that put yours lower?
Again, what crappy hospitals? Opinions mean fuck all.
For it being doomed. Our gdp spending on healthcare is around 10 to 11%, and has been the last 2 decades. We also have a debt to GDP ratio that is the lowest in the G8. Our system is staying, but thanks for your opinion from a 21 year old American.
@MadHabber93 your health care is doomed because of the rapid rate in cost. look the rate healthcare cost rising in canada compared to the US. in twenty years you will be putting 4 times what the US puts in healthcare per capita for less and less results
@mrfwest You are great at making claims, but poor backing them up.
Our healthcare costs are rising, just like every else in the world, but NOWHERE near the costs yours. Your costs have reached 16to17% of GDP, and that doesn't even come close to covering everyone. Not to mention the copays, deductibles, etc. And less and less results?? Canada's healthcare outcomes are comparable to any major country on the planet.
Please link your claim of our cost rising 4x or quit posting opinion.
@MadHabber93 our healthcare cost is raising because our hospital are better. look at the healthcare cost in canada compared to the last 10 years. than do the same in canada. the rate of increase in canada is far greater
@mrfwest Look at the healthcare cost. Ok.. where? You are making a claim of data then where is it?? The fact is, your per capita spending on healthcare as gone up faster and higher than ours the last 2 decades. BACK YOUR SHIT UP.
@MadHabber93 big difference US funding problem come from fraud in funding ( hospital and insurance ) by the way canada is taxed more. you can't raise taxes to compete with the rising cost. you dont have the option to not pay for some people because you have universal healthcare.
@mrfwest We are taxed more, but the total tax burden is only a few % more than the U.S. and that includes all medical care. You add in your premiums, deductibles and copays, you pay WAY more.
@mrfwest Again, I've compared tax rates to my American counterparts, as well as online. There isn't much of a difference in income tax rates. In fact, many making less than 60 grand pay less in Canada. Not to mention, your top federal tax bracket is 35%, well ours is 29%. We pay more for food strickly because we have far less buying power vs. a country that is 10x our population. Our houses cost more, because we didn't have a housing bubble where we lost tonnes of equity. Not good for you.
@MadHabber93 more lies. the euro has more buying power than the Us and its more people in the Euro. yet they pay more for food than the US. you pay more for food because of taxes. you houses cost more because of taxes. Americans house have always cost less - always will because of you taxes
@mrfwest More Lies?? You are a peach kid. We pay more for food because we are 33 million spread across a country larger than yours. Think of transportation costs, buying power. Taxes have very little to do with it. Not to mention, corporations charge more here because they are getting away with it. You clearly of no sense of economics. In addition, corporate taxes are actually LESS here.
@MadHabber93 if food prices had anything to do with population the EU would be paying less for food, there not. the EU has more people and more buying power yet they pass more for food, clothes etc.
@mrfwest Dude, you're 21. I'm willing to bet mommy and daddy buy your food.
Just because Europe shares the Euro does not mean every country has the same prices. They still act as individual countries when buying and selling goods. Please, please, please, stop talking about stuff you clearly know fuck all about.
@MadHabber93 yes they do, i checked. you the on that has no idea what you are talking about. why you continue to say 21 is beyond me, that doesn't make you wised you sound senile, that's explains you comments
@mrfwest You obviously didn't check. Here is a report that shows food prices for many different items.
"Prices for fresh food vary on average by about 20 percent around the EU-average. For most products the difference between the cheapest and the most expensive country is more than 50 percent"
@MadHabber93 that varies on location. spain is going to pay more than germany for fish. because there selling it. Germany has to pay more taxes for it......taxes? there goes that word again
@mrfwest But how can it vary on location, when you just said all of Europe is the same. You made the argument that they should have cheaper prices based on population size, when they are all SEPARATE countries with different rules, etc. VAT levels (taxes) are all pretty much the same in Europe. You made another claim that I buried you on, so really, give up already. You are making a fool of yourself.
Btw, have you been to Europe? I have. Many of them. Prices vary everywhere.
@MadHabber93 i never said, there were the same i said they have the same currency with more people and more buying power. i am the one who is consistently correcting you while you keep talking
@mrfwest How many facts have your proven wrong from me?? A big fat ZERO.
I said, "Just because Europe shares the Euro does not mean every country has the same prices"
YOur reply "yes they do, I checked"
You never said they have the same currency with more people and more buying power. You said they have a higher population so should have lower prices. Two entirely different things.
I responded saying they act individually when buying & selling goods. They share a currency that's IT!
@mrfwest No, that's not what I said. I said Toronto SickKids Hospital is one of the best CHILDREN'S hospitals in the world in that category. So wrong there.
@mrfwest Really dude. You don't even know what's real and what's not.
I'll take it back to the beginning. Where is the proof that our system is doomed, and a comparative study showing our hospitals are 'sub par". If you can't provide that. Then go play with your duckies, and get out of your mom's basement.
@mrfwest Taxes have nothing to do with housing markets. Resale homes have no taxes. Your housing market tanked 3 years ago, along with global economy. Ours didn't, because we had the most stable banking structure on the planet, along with a much lower debt to GDP ratio than the U.S.
Having a housing bubble is not good, as it resulted in countless foreclosures in your country as people saw the value of their house drop below what their actual mortgage was. We kept our net worth, you didn't
@mrfwest Thats why we get tax breaks for using private health care, it doesnt have to be all one or all the other. While our system isnt prefect it beats spending 20K for a knee reco. imagine if I had those injuries living in the US, what would I be doing now? Sitting at home not being able to work and contribute back into the community both in skill and tax. It make no sense, its corporate greed in its extreme and very similar to what was allowed to happen to your housing sector,same mentality!
@riceburnagtv see that a big misconception. the US pays healthcare to the poor and elderly. anyone who cant afford healthcare is because they choose to get mortgages that they shouldn't.
if you were poor... you could get co-pay or government help so that you could pay for it. if you dont get healthcare in the Us its because you could afford and you don't qualify. if you were in the US and paid for healthcare before your knee was injured you wouldn't have a problem
I don't understand why some liberal Americans always say the Canadian healthcare system is free. Are you fucking liberals BRAINDEAD? Where the hell do you think the government in Canada gets the money from? Seriously, you really think that Canadian taxpayers are flattered when you liberals in the US say that the system in Canada is free? It's ONLY free for those assholes who don't work. Those Canadians who do work pay taxes to support the fucking system. Get some brains, liberals.
I live in Calgary and government controls the number of doctors, and controls the number of taxis, guess what are they only two things you will have a hard time finding. A doctor and a cab, the free market works folks, we have no waiting lists for mechanics, plumbers, electricians, ect ect.
Why don't we do more of what the Europeans do, since they have a much better system than Canada's. Freedom to purchase your own healthcare is a fundamental human right, in Canada you will go to jail for attempting it, that is true fascism. Freedom is what works, you can still cover the poor, every other developed nation does it. The idea that we can't somewhat copy Europe, because it will make us more American is beyond ridiculous.
@yukoncornileus4 Please document this. You can't. It is not true. You have been lied to. I Canada, one can purchase supplementary private health insurance for things medicare does not cover such as private hospital rooms, optometry, prescription drugs, dentistry, chiropractic private physiotherapy.
@tmenator OK there are no cases of people actually being jailed, but the main reason is that doctors are very reluctant to break the rules, they have been threatened with jail in the past. Accepting money or attempting to pay for medically necessary procedures in a crime. You can not pay for knee surgery. If you don't believe me, try slipping your doc $100 for faster service and see what happens. Notice there are no waiting lists for dentists. Choice, freedom, liberty is the answer
@yukoncornileus4 Of course they can't. It would be double dipping. Double dipping used to be legal in Ontario where doctors would take a fee from the patient and then also collect full fee from Ontario Health Insurance Plan. It led to a lot of abuse.
@yukoncornileus4 You are very unclear of the Canada Health Act. Doctors can & do except cash payments for services. There are a number of patients that either opt out of the provincial payer system, ie. the Amish, or have not yet qualified for the provincial payer system, ie. New Immigrants. What is not legal is doing what you think is somehow ok, slipping the doc $100 so you can go first, even though you might not be as bad as the guy that is ahead of you. Many can't afford a dentist either.
@MadHabber93 I can pay tomorrow for the best medical treatment the world has to offer......for my dog, but I can't for my family. This is sick. We are the only country that doesn't allow a parallel private system. Their is no moral justification for this, it is just blind ideology.
@yukoncornileus4 Yes, and many people can't afford treatment for their dog...period. Not to mention, Canada still offers some of the best medical treatment in the world as well...for humans. You're just pissed that YOU can't get that knee replacement in front of someone else who needs it faster. Ideology has nothing to do with it. A 2nd tier will pull much needed resources away from the public system, and create a better system for the higher income earners, which I'm one of btw.
@MadHabber93 Ideology has everything to do with it, we are always told that this is the Canadian way. We have the 35 th best healthcare system in the world, and we are in the top 5 for spending. Doesn't that scream that something is terribly wrong? You say I want to get ahead of others on the waiting list. I want no waiting lists, Germany has no waiting lists, why don't we do what they do ?
@yukoncornileus4 First off, if you are going by the WHO ranking, it wasn't 35th. Not to mention that was bogus report and outdated.
Germany does have some waiting lists for elective procedures. But have you checked their doctor to patient ratio? Not to mention, they spend close to us per capita on healthcare, but their ratio of spending publicly is much higher. Ours is 70% public and 30% private, while their's is closer to 90%. Private for profit care is increasing our costs.
@yukoncornileus4 That's weird, haven't seen the advertising. Not to mention wait time for knee replacements have been drastically reduced across Canada.
As someone who works in Pharma, going in and out of hospitals across SW Ontario and western Canada, you do realize that doctors need office space...right? I guess not. Admin offices in Canada, in comparison to U.S. hospitals, pale in number. Not to mention our admin costs are FAR less than the U.S.
@MadHabber93 It was in the Globe and Mail a few years ago, come have a great holiday in Germany and get you knee or hip fixed. Made the news here.
Why are you looking at the US ? We can do better that their system, there are more than 2 countries in the world. Even if we did look at the US, can't we look at the things that work in the US system without taking the bad ?
The government doesn't run hospitals ? The government signs the cheques.
@yukoncornileus4 We should look at other systems and things that work, we both can agree there. But you have to ask, why they work there and how they compare to ours. There's a great website that shows this comparison on a Canadian perspective. I'll send it to you if interested.
For the ad, for those that actually would have gone there or any other country for that procedure, would pale to those who had it done here.
@MadHabber93 Where is the evidence that the private schools take away from public ones ? Where is the evidence in every other country in the world that their private medical systems take away from the public one ? Where is the evidence that monopolies work best for the consumer, that competition is bad. Imagine if we had only on gas company, what would the price be.
@yukoncornileus4 Who said they did?? I'm not talking education nor gasoline. Two Entirely different things than healthcare. Not to mention, we have certified teachers in this country with NO job. I come from a family of teachers. Supply far outstrips demand. If we don't have enough doctors for a strictly public system, how do we have enough for a 2 tier system? Answer..We don't. Private for profit clinics pull much needed docs that serve many to only serve the priviledged few.
@MadHabber93 The government decides how many doctors we will have, that is your problem right there. We don't have a shortage of anything else. We don't have to have a shortage of doctors, just like we don't have a shortage of teachers, or any other profession. The market corrects itself, when the government stays out of it.
The public system could send a patient to a private clinic, instead of shipping them to the US, they could do it here, keep that money here.
@yukoncornileus4 The gov't does NOT decide how many doctors we have. Universities decide based on budgets. Not to mention, MD graduate growth the last 5 years have been outpacing population growth. Creating a true 2nd tier system would not all of sudden create doctors out of nowhere.
And the public system did send patients to private clinics, in your province in particular. Well, they did until THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS costing the Alberta tax payers a shit load.
@MadHabber93 Where do the Universities get their budgets, the government. The government decided years ago one way to cut healthcare budgets was to reduce the number of doctors. So they did, and we are paying for it with our lives. Because we have no choice, no freedom, no alternatives.
The deck was stacked against those private clinics to begin with. The Cambie clinic in BC seems to be doing alright.
@yukoncornileus4 Cambie is doing alright, but spare me that 'the deck' was stacked against them in Alberta. Proper management would have worked, but they didn't have it. Not to mention, patients for hip operations being shuttled to private for profit clinics were charging the gov't more than what the private for non profit hospitals were. In other words, charging more the same operation, with no better results. Sorry, you can keep that.
@yukoncornileus4 I've heard the laser eye surgery argument before. However, laser eye surgery is NOT healthcare. Not to mention, how many still can't afford that procedure?? How about when its something really expensive like bypass surgery with a 2 week hosptial stay??
Laser surgery takes all of 30 seconds. No comparison.
@MadHabber93 How is Lazer Eye Surgery not Health Care. Last time I checked, the eyes are part of the body.
The same thing is true of Cosmetic Surgery, and the other 84% of the economy. Electronics have gotten better and cheaper over time, free of government control....
Why would other parts of Health Care be different?
@MadHabber93 You talk with that socialist slant that if one can't get something no one should be able to get it. The Canada Health Act violates what our Fathers of Confederation called Canadian Liberty, who are you to tell me what I can spend my after tax money on ?? If I want to buy a knee surgery, who are you to say I can't. That is what I mean by blind ideology, socialist control simply doesn't work. Just like the Soviets had to line up for bread, we line up for heath care.
@yukoncornileus4 Spare me your 'father's of confederation and liberty' bullshit. And spare me labelling me a socialist when even the VAST majority of conservatives in this country (a party that I vote for) are in FULL support of SIngle Payer healthcare. You my dear gold digger, are in the minority by a LOOOONG shot. For buying your knee replacement, we only have so many surgeons. If surgeons only do private for profit surgery serving the few rich, how does everyone else get one??
Why don't we do more of what the Europeans do, since they have a much better system than Canada's. Freedom to purchase your own healthcare is a fundamental human right, in Canada you will go to jail for attempting it, that is true fascism. Freedom is what works, you can still cover the poor, every other developed nation does it. The idea that if we can't somewhat copy Europe, because it will make us more American is beyond ridiculous.
Why don't we do more of what the Europeans do, since they have a much better system than Canada's. Freedom to purchase your own healthcare is a fundamental human right, in Canada you will go to jail for attempting it, that is true fascism. Freedom is what works, you can still cover the poor, every other developed nation does it.
@1955JAFO, really, your friend didn't pay anything? How about the crazy high taxes in Canada? $8 for a pack of cigarettes. $10 for a 6 pack of beer. You pay plenty, unless you're poor, in which case someone else is picking up your bill. Google Dr shortages in Canada. Google wait times there. Google how many people with money say fuck the waiting list and go get treated right away in the states. If you've got something wrong, you want it taken care of ASAP, especially if it's you're kid.
@gcxred4kat9 Google dr. shortages in the U.S. Google how many simply forgo treatment at all, in other words, a wait time of FOREVER. Google the study Phantoms in the Snow that concluded that rich or many Canadians going south for care is a myth. Google open medicine Canadian vs. American healthcare outcomes. Google Canadian vs. American income tax rates. Google how long Canadians wait for urgent care...WE DON'T. Here's an idea, don't smoke, and don't drink a lot.
Google "How many canadians want to trade their health care system with the american one". Seriously, it's not a perfect system, we know, but never would we trade it with the american one.
My friends son just spent a month on the cardiac floor at Toronto General. The bill??? zip..zero...nada. He's fine and on his way home. How much would you pay in the USA??
FixWCB is a product of the workman's compensation board, who controls his healthcare, not the provincial system that EVERYONE else uses. THe average wait time for NON-urgent MRI's is 30 days. Immediately if urgent. Doctors didn't treat him because he's a FUCKING lunatic.
delays and waiting for diagnose and treatment; 3 year wait for 1st MRI; another 18 months for the 2nd MRI; 5 yr wait for 3rd MRI; In 2006 I told many physicians exactly what I thought was wrong, it was never investigated and 4 years later I was diagnosed with exactly what I stated I thought was wrong, I have not received any treatment and was just denied a specialists appointment in Calgary; UNIVERSAL HEALTH care is a big LIE; This is government RATIONED healthcare with long delays;
The reason why you see so much obesety is because healthy food cot more then junk food. Go to a grocery store and look at the price for processed food and then check the price of the fresh food. You can buy a can of vegetables for like 65 cents. And fresh vagetables cost like $1.50 to $2 something a lb. The FDA(government run) is purposely making fresh foods cost more and processed food lower cost. If you take notice that it's more poor people that are obese, not the rich people.
@JonnyPxN The same reason why the FDA outlawed Vitamin B17 that has been proven to cure cancer. It's because the more sick people there are the more money they can steal from them. The FDA won't do any studies on vitamin b17, because it can't be patent by the drug companies. And the doctors are forbiden to say anything about B17 because they would lose there medical license.
@simwrangler *faceplalm* The government would want a healthy population because then it can get more taxes from them. If less people were healthy, less people would work and it would mean LESS revenue for them. What you are describing is how the private insurers work.
@simwrangler hehe. Can't debate me on the actual points, so you are resorting to good ol' fashioned immature namecalling. Even now I can imagine you as some dumb, hillbilly who likes WWF getting annoyed because a liberal like myself has just talked and you can't understand what I'm saying. You probably follow people like rush limbaugh like they are gods and just spout clap trap and explaining it as "well hick um rush says its true so its hick true!! Damn liberals socialists!" (Hick)
@zer0lis Oui, but your healthcare has unreliable service, and hospitals will be full, you'd be waiting forevever to get worked on.This also screws thhe doctors over.
What Fixwcb doesn't tell you is the vast majority of the Canadian public, 99.9% aren't under workman's comp, and therefore don't fall under his bullshit claim. 90% of Canadians are MORE than happy with our Universal System. Workman comp patients DO NOT fall under it.
In Canada 90 - 95 % of significant injuries & insurance interests are deliberately misdiagnosed & not treated or compensated. They use stereotypical clinical code/commentary to classify & render injured workers & auto accident patient - claimants. This undermines the principles of universal healthcare.
Canada was a testing ground for this Medical New York Shell game
We are treated as bad as or worse than livestock in our 'universal' healthcare system, yet most of the public doesn't know it.
im so lucky to live in canada. i hope we never lose our system we have. if we have concerns about our health or want a check-up we just make an apointment for when we want and go. for FREE! also....if your condition is serious and life threatning u dont wait. i never waited
Good to see some objectivity on the differences .Wait times for surgury in Canada have been reduced in a major way in the last two years.With a few more bucks ,a closer look at service distribution .the problem has been vastly improved nationally. And it's because the system is in place universally and can be managaed a lot easeir.It works, it's working a lot better ,it's cheaper and everyone is covered even if you lose your job. Why would you pay more for that insecurity?
Is that why Canada brings in 250,000 immigrants every year so we can do our part to poison the world. Conspirerist whack job .We also have one of the highest life expectancy ratings in the world . They need to get better poison and you need to get your back fixed up so you can get back to work and off the drugs
@FIXWCBCANADA Good I'm glad you pointed that out.The system needs to be more accountable for what they do . Maybe someone needs to pay for that .The doctor or doctors should have a law suit coming their way for that in my opiniion. There is no doubt the procedure could have been done here .It seems the doctor was incompetent
AND over 50% of bankruptcies in the U.S. are a result of having to pay for health care costs. That is a huge concern for people I would think. We have problems; I’ll admit that but ours can be fixed .We should have more private cliincs..fine . I think Americans are getting screwed by that system. Of course opinions are like…..you know …everybody has one.
I don't trust the Canadian government any more than Americans trust theirs. Maybe we are a little better at keeping them in check....or maybe not .Don’t you have to ask yourselves why you pay almost twice as much per capita , you have deductibles so the companies aren’t even paying out unless it’s major , you have preconditions allowing companies to deny coverage, they cap their payouts at $500,000 or whatever it is, a huge portion of the population isn’t covered.
@tindallpe I don’t mean to be condescending at all. There is availability in the US if you pay for it .That’s great. What is failing is your privately run health system charges your government what ever they choose for services and your bureaucrats just pay the bill(Medicare). Insurance companies have allowed hospitals to bill more as they both agree in a profit margin for health care.
what about the tax payers who put money in ''the best countr in the world'' what do they get, those people just pay in and the money is going to secret projects like underground base in dulce NM and much more please google it !!!!
I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that. The American health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and the American Medical Assoc.
Canada, Britain, France and even Cuba all have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health care plans where every citizen receives health care with no additional costs
@FIXWCBCANADA Hey who ever you are YOU are a "Workers Compensation Reject" that was scewed over by the Saskachewan WSIB. Stop slandering the Canadian health care system because you got fucked over by an insurace company. I see you all over these posts . You are a bitter,bitter man . WSIB are the criminals .I know that. They are criminals and they should be procecuted under the" Charter of Rights and Freedoms"
@tindallpe.....FUCK YOU BUDDY,,,IF THE DOCTORS IN CANADA WERE ANY GOOD I WOULDN'T BE IN THIS FUCKING MESS.....YES WORKERS COMP ARE IGNORANT FUCKS;;; BUT IT SHOULDN'T TAKE 28 DOCTORS TO DIAGNOSE A SPINAL INJURY
@FIXWCBCANADA So you're out in Saskatchewan and they have a spinal cord research centre in Winnipeg At the University of Manitoba .It sounds to me you should be trying to see if you can't get help there were they specialize in spinal cord research. I know WSIB will just cast you out like you are nothing because they are simply an insurance company guised as a government agency but they are not. They are a rancid group of people; more despised than the Canada Revenue Agency
@tindallpe I've been telling Fixwcb for months that you can't equate our system to what has happened to him with workman's comp. I've concluded he's mentally handicapped and simply a dolt.
I live in the USA, but when I was talking to a Canadian friend who is a doctor he told me how the wait lists had been removed through reform of their system a couple years ago which sped up the waiting lists. This makes the big argument which was valid a few years back now invalid. I've written the argument based on biology for why health care is a prerequisite to everything on my blog: stidmatt-views.blogspot.com/2011/01/non-political-biological-constitutional.html
I live in the USA, but when I was talking to a Canadian friend who is a doctor he told me how the wait lists had been removed through reform of their system a couple years ago which sped up the waiting lists. This makes the big argument which was valid a few years back now invalid.
In Canada 90 - 95 % of significant injuries & insurance interests are deliberately misdiagnosed & not treated or compensated. They use stereotypical clinical code/commentary to classify & render injured workers & auto accident patient - claimants. This undermines the principles of universal healthcare.
Canada was a testing ground for this Medical New York Shell game
We are treated as bad as or worse than livestock in our 'universal' healthcare system, yet most of the public doesn't know it.
Canadians spend 10 percent of annual GDP on health care, while Americans spend 16 percent. However, Canadians experience long waiting lists for diagnosis and treatment, rationed care, and limited access to doctors and new medical devices. You can get private medical care in Canada -- if you are a pet and your doctor is a vet.
@ARepublicanVictory Basically waiting time in Canada is determined by how severe your injuries are and waiting time in the U.S. is determined by how much money you've paid to your insurance companies. No wonder more people go to the U.S. for health care than any other country, it's because the people who do come have the money to pay. And in America, more money equals faster and better treatment.
I know people who had no insurance back in the 1990s with life threatening injuries sustained during car accidents. They received the best care. Illegal aliens also come here and get the best care. They are not even Americans and have no insurance. Explain that?
American health care is just fine. Obama had no right to touch anything with his socialist destructive programs.
@ARepublicanVictory Wake up sonny, American health care is JUST FINE?! U must b rich!!! Let's don't even talk about IF everyone can hav health care (u certainly wouldn't want people 2 hav medical care, otherwise that would b SOCIALISM and NAZI and COMMUNISM!!!). The price 4 health care in the U.S. is THROUGH THE ROOF. Liberals think health care IS a problem while Conservatives don't, Conservatives don't give a damn if u got cancer, if u can't pay yourself ur fucked.
@wangsta25 I AM not rich sonny. I just TAKE CARE OF MYSELF. Stop drinking alcohol, stop doing drugs and live a holistic lifestyle. Maybe you would not bitch about health problems or health care so much. Our health care system was fine before this idiot Obama messed with it. For that transgression, he will pay fully. He will not be president after 2012.
Every person in America can not be covered by health care. Health care prevention is a cheaper solution, not forcing people to accept garbage.
@Stidmatt1 If the lunatic Obama would stop what he is doing, it could be found in this very nation. Liberalism MUST be stopped. Anti Americans MUST be stopped NOW.
@ARepublicanVictory , GREED rulesUS, that is the problem. In Europe emergency care is always paid by the govmt, and don't even start me on paid maternity leave for 4-12months, and free education...These are basic human rights! But no, in US "human rights" are for the priviledges. The rest are just tax-paying slaves. Taxes you get newxt to nothing for. I mean...medicare is for people over 65?!?!?!? WHAT?!?!?!?
You can't compare a lawyer with full coverage to a person working for a temp. agency. Of course he likes the system in the U.S. is better for him is because he is covered. SCOOT YA SEATS UP!!!
bgoins21 1 week ago
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FUCK AMERICAN HEALTH CARE I CANT EVEN AFFORD TO TREAT MY DIABETES THANKS AMERICA ANOTHER MAN TO DIE BECAUSE OF YOUR GREED THANK YOU.
judoz420 4 weeks ago
America's healthcare motto: "Profit above all, always and forever"
Prove me wrong, conservatives.
MagnesDrachen13 1 month ago
When your healthcare is built to make money rather than treat people, it is a crime, regardless
WAVO293 1 month ago 3
My Grandmother spends half of the year in Calgary and the other half in Arizona, and she recently told me that she thinks she is having heart problems, but refuses to see a physician because she doesn't want to lose her ability to obtain health care for the winter months she spends in Phoenix.
sarahloreensmith 1 month ago
5,000 mobile clinics would cost $5,000 million ($5 billion) per year . . . just a very small percentage of the $700 billion that is spent on Medicare each year. Those mobile clinics could provide regular health care to the millions who are not covered at the same time they provide alternative service to seniors on Medicare. That would be a start. 1,000 new hospitals (at a cost of $100,000 million ($100 billion) per year would be the next step. This would still be a small portion of Medicare.
scottelly2 1 month ago
The Canadian health system is better then the American system, but I'm just glad the Australian system is better again. I'm not by any means saying it is the best but it is better then north America.
potaka79 2 months ago
The American health system is fucked....what is the point of having theses great doc's if your people can't access them. It is criminal how your government treats it's people.
potaka79 2 months ago
Why is U.S. healthcare so expensive. How about you take this into consideration, I have to take provigil for EDS - Excessive daytime sleepiness.
With insurance it cost $300 a month $900 without.
Yet I buy generic which is not sold in the U.S. it from India (same medication) for $40 a month.
We regulate the drug companies out of business that is why they charge us an arm and a leg. If healthcare is cheap everyone can have it but you cant make it cheap if you sue & over regulate.
StupidCommentsMademe 2 months ago
@StupidCommentsMademe it is because we have a faggot in the white house that lied to everybody to get himself elected, just like bill clinton
DRussellNCAA 2 months ago
@StupidCommentsMademe If you don't regulate, you have profit hungry companies taking short cuts. Hell that happens even now because the FDA is bought and paid for, so meds that should never pass, do, and end up harming or killing people.
Swidhelm 2 months ago
@Swidhelm There need to be standards but all this regulation has made it impossible for honest companies to function. The companies are going to go for profits regardless of what we do but if you have a system with less regulation some companies will pride themselves on their honesty to attract business. But right now the system is so screwy that there is no way to operate a business than using loop holes. Regulation hurt the honest more, because the dishonest will just be more dishonest.
StupidCommentsMademe 1 month ago
wow us health care sucks
crogsvien 2 months ago
You became blind becuase you chose to eat fat..... you gave yourself diabetes... YOUR FAULT
TheJacobhoward56 2 months ago
@TheJacobhoward56 You do know it's more expensive to eat healthy right? If you don't have a lot of disposable income, you eat cheap. You eat cheap, you get lots of processed sugar, saturated fats, and calories galore.
Swidhelm 2 months ago
I'm from Winnipeg! Woot!
ChilenoAlemanCanada 2 months ago
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Toronto SickKids Hospital is one of the best CHILDREN'S hospitals in the world in that category....LIE. 1
canada have more nurses and doctors per 1000 people...LIE 2 & 3
murder rate and driving death have no effect on life expectancy LIE # 4
how many time do i have to prove that you hospital aren't near as good as the US
mrfwest 3 months ago
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@MadHabber93 i never said " they were the same. " i said they have the same currency with more people and more buying power. i am the one who is consistently correcting you, while you keep talking about things i never said.
how many of your " facts " have i proved wrong today?
mrfwest 3 months ago
America the only place where you have to sell your home if you need an operation. America preaches to the world on how to look after one another, and their governments can not even do it for their own citizens. When it comes to Health Care - America you are a Joke, love always Rest of World :)
TheKaBlamski 3 months ago 3
@TheKaBlamski canada healthcare is doomed program. in twenty years you will have non.
mrfwest 3 months ago
Healthcare is something that is as natural as getting help from police or fire department in most countrys. Tax money is ok if it goes to something sensible. Peoples health is something very very important. We have to take care of each other, the cost of not doing so is so much higher in the long term.
jabbadabb 3 months ago
section 7 fedelis.
DNYS465 4 months ago
i dream of a day when human life will be worth more than little green pieces of paper.
atheist6in6a6foxhole 4 months ago
$150 for a visit! Well done to him only charging £15 shame on those that profit at the misery of others an unfair system at best.
MsOneiroi77 4 months ago
Canada a far better system profits over people is a cruel and unusual way to say how your citizens recieve health care. America is a G1 country healthy = more GDP and a better society.
MsOneiroi77 4 months ago
Wait what the fuck win I went to a hospital and need back surgery I got in less than 40 minutes so why do other people wait 4 - 6 months
whodakingme 5 months ago
We need to research into donors of all US elected officials who many place people into office. In 2011 the US US Supreme Court had 5 justices who did not certify Dukes V Walmart. Also in 2011, Costco Wholesale's legal council supported Walmart's petition against Betty Dukes and can be found on the official websites of the US Supreme Court and the American Bar Association. PBS should investigate the nonprofit organization American Legal Exchange Council, A.L.E.C. that is almost 40 years old.
lamourlupus 5 months ago
It would be great if Conservatives and liberals could minimize profanity.
The behavior of the current elected Democratic and Republican officials annoy people to include those who rarely get involved in local meetings, barely study the issues and the histories of all candidates. Apathy and indifference is allowing the dismantling the success made by all progressives Republicans and Democrats.
lamourlupus 5 months ago
Why does Canada have such long waiting lists? Here in Australia you don't wait very long for urgent needs, and if you pay for good private health insurance there are next to no waiting times, which doesn't cost all that much. For mid range healthcare it costs not much more than you might pay for an internet service and your phone bill. Is there little/no privatisation of healthcare in Canada?
Freshbott2 5 months ago
@Freshbott2 We don't wait long for urgent care in Canada. Wait lists are for elective procedures, and are not as bad as protrayed by U.S. reporters. There is some privatisation in Canada, but not to the same two tiered system as Australia.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@Freshbott2 system is different. In Canada I think they control the amount of supplies and the more emergent get care first. there's little privatization of healthcare in Canada.
tokee1234567 5 months ago
@Freshbott2 we have long wait list because a certian percentage of doctors are greedy and leave for the states to make millions a year as we are so close to the us and the equivancey is just as high or higher out of montreal thank god the ones who are moral stay, i say no loss just up the number of trained doctors and flood the market, like they do in every other profession.ps many come back after not being able to treat thier patients and the constant struggle with american insurance companies!
487shawn 4 months ago
@Freshbott2 Because, in Canada, healthcare is ordered by how urgent your case is, rather than your ability to pay.
Bangbangkilljoy 4 months ago
@Freshbott2 They're exaggerating the waiting lists by a longshot. I've been through two serious illnesses in my lifetime and never had an unreasonably long wait for anything I had to have done. Don't know a single person here who has had an unreasonable wait time, people just like to bitch sometimes and of course that gets fed to the American public to scare them off of reforming their system which is awful.
silkentresses 6 hours ago
OMG your country is terrible in looking after your own, I'm glad I live in Australia. Maybe move to Canada and live. It beats dying......waiting lists, most citizens under public health care that can afford it, usually have private care as well. GET with the TiMES Red Necks !!!
TheKaBlamski 5 months ago
@TheKaBlamski Yep, its amazing what was once the biggest economy in the world couldnt care for its own people! Ive broken a leg, hip, been burnt, knee reco and soon disc surgery,all for free.. Oh tonsils out too.. FREE. No if our government
riceburnagtv 3 months ago
canada your healthcare keeps getting worst #31 and 4th in spending. it would be different if you had good hospitals, you don't. you paying money in taxes for crappy hospitals.
your universal healthcare ( yours, not in general ) is a black hole. in twenty years it will be assuming much of your economy for less and less results.
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest #31 in what ranking? WHO? The same one that put yours lower?
Again, what crappy hospitals? Opinions mean fuck all.
For it being doomed. Our gdp spending on healthcare is around 10 to 11%, and has been the last 2 decades. We also have a debt to GDP ratio that is the lowest in the G8. Our system is staying, but thanks for your opinion from a 21 year old American.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 your health care is doomed because of the rapid rate in cost. look the rate healthcare cost rising in canada compared to the US. in twenty years you will be putting 4 times what the US puts in healthcare per capita for less and less results
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest You are great at making claims, but poor backing them up.
Our healthcare costs are rising, just like every else in the world, but NOWHERE near the costs yours. Your costs have reached 16to17% of GDP, and that doesn't even come close to covering everyone. Not to mention the copays, deductibles, etc. And less and less results?? Canada's healthcare outcomes are comparable to any major country on the planet.
Please link your claim of our cost rising 4x or quit posting opinion.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 our healthcare cost is raising because our hospital are better. look at the healthcare cost in canada compared to the last 10 years. than do the same in canada. the rate of increase in canada is far greater
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest Look at the healthcare cost. Ok.. where? You are making a claim of data then where is it?? The fact is, your per capita spending on healthcare as gone up faster and higher than ours the last 2 decades. BACK YOUR SHIT UP.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 big difference US funding problem come from fraud in funding ( hospital and insurance ) by the way canada is taxed more. you can't raise taxes to compete with the rising cost. you dont have the option to not pay for some people because you have universal healthcare.
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest We are taxed more, but the total tax burden is only a few % more than the U.S. and that includes all medical care. You add in your premiums, deductibles and copays, you pay WAY more.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 you are taxed more and taxed more often.
then you pay more for everything. food, clothes, houses, on everything. your minimal wadge doesn't even make up for it
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest Again, I've compared tax rates to my American counterparts, as well as online. There isn't much of a difference in income tax rates. In fact, many making less than 60 grand pay less in Canada. Not to mention, your top federal tax bracket is 35%, well ours is 29%. We pay more for food strickly because we have far less buying power vs. a country that is 10x our population. Our houses cost more, because we didn't have a housing bubble where we lost tonnes of equity. Not good for you.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 more lies. the euro has more buying power than the Us and its more people in the Euro. yet they pay more for food than the US. you pay more for food because of taxes. you houses cost more because of taxes. Americans house have always cost less - always will because of you taxes
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest More Lies?? You are a peach kid. We pay more for food because we are 33 million spread across a country larger than yours. Think of transportation costs, buying power. Taxes have very little to do with it. Not to mention, corporations charge more here because they are getting away with it. You clearly of no sense of economics. In addition, corporate taxes are actually LESS here.
Quit wasting my time.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 if food prices had anything to do with population the EU would be paying less for food, there not. the EU has more people and more buying power yet they pass more for food, clothes etc.
you are the one with no sense of economics
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest Dude, you're 21. I'm willing to bet mommy and daddy buy your food.
Just because Europe shares the Euro does not mean every country has the same prices. They still act as individual countries when buying and selling goods. Please, please, please, stop talking about stuff you clearly know fuck all about.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 yes they do, i checked. you the on that has no idea what you are talking about. why you continue to say 21 is beyond me, that doesn't make you wised you sound senile, that's explains you comments
mrfwest 3 months ago
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@mrfwest "why you continue to say 21 is beyond me, that doesn't make you wised you sound senile, that's explains you comments"
Re-read what you wrote....and I sound senile??? Bwahahahahahhahahahaha
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@mrfwest You obviously didn't check. Here is a report that shows food prices for many different items.
"Prices for fresh food vary on average by about 20 percent around the EU-average. For most products the difference between the cheapest and the most expensive country is more than 50 percent"
ecDOTeuropaDOTeu/internal_market/economic-reports/docs/2002-05-price_enDOTpdf
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 that varies on location. spain is going to pay more than germany for fish. because there selling it. Germany has to pay more taxes for it......taxes? there goes that word again
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest But how can it vary on location, when you just said all of Europe is the same. You made the argument that they should have cheaper prices based on population size, when they are all SEPARATE countries with different rules, etc. VAT levels (taxes) are all pretty much the same in Europe. You made another claim that I buried you on, so really, give up already. You are making a fool of yourself.
Btw, have you been to Europe? I have. Many of them. Prices vary everywhere.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 i never said, there were the same i said they have the same currency with more people and more buying power. i am the one who is consistently correcting you while you keep talking
about things i never said.
how many of your " facts " i proven wrong today?
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest How many facts have your proven wrong from me?? A big fat ZERO.
I said, "Just because Europe shares the Euro does not mean every country has the same prices"
YOur reply "yes they do, I checked"
You never said they have the same currency with more people and more buying power. You said they have a higher population so should have lower prices. Two entirely different things.
I responded saying they act individually when buying & selling goods. They share a currency that's IT!
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 you said Toronto had one of the best hospitals in the world, LIE. ( there isn't even a Canadian hospital in the top 50 )
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest No, that's not what I said. I said Toronto SickKids Hospital is one of the best CHILDREN'S hospitals in the world in that category. So wrong there.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@mrfwest Really dude. You don't even know what's real and what's not.
I'll take it back to the beginning. Where is the proof that our system is doomed, and a comparative study showing our hospitals are 'sub par". If you can't provide that. Then go play with your duckies, and get out of your mom's basement.
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@mrfwest Taxes have nothing to do with housing markets. Resale homes have no taxes. Your housing market tanked 3 years ago, along with global economy. Ours didn't, because we had the most stable banking structure on the planet, along with a much lower debt to GDP ratio than the U.S.
Having a housing bubble is not good, as it resulted in countless foreclosures in your country as people saw the value of their house drop below what their actual mortgage was. We kept our net worth, you didn't
MadHabber93 3 months ago
@mrfwest Thats why we get tax breaks for using private health care, it doesnt have to be all one or all the other. While our system isnt prefect it beats spending 20K for a knee reco. imagine if I had those injuries living in the US, what would I be doing now? Sitting at home not being able to work and contribute back into the community both in skill and tax. It make no sense, its corporate greed in its extreme and very similar to what was allowed to happen to your housing sector,same mentality!
riceburnagtv 3 months ago
@riceburnagtv see that a big misconception. the US pays healthcare to the poor and elderly. anyone who cant afford healthcare is because they choose to get mortgages that they shouldn't.
if you were poor... you could get co-pay or government help so that you could pay for it. if you dont get healthcare in the Us its because you could afford and you don't qualify. if you were in the US and paid for healthcare before your knee was injured you wouldn't have a problem
mrfwest 3 months ago
I don't understand why some liberal Americans always say the Canadian healthcare system is free. Are you fucking liberals BRAINDEAD? Where the hell do you think the government in Canada gets the money from? Seriously, you really think that Canadian taxpayers are flattered when you liberals in the US say that the system in Canada is free? It's ONLY free for those assholes who don't work. Those Canadians who do work pay taxes to support the fucking system. Get some brains, liberals.
ttiiyy 6 months ago
@ttiiyy Hey, stfu and go to church or hunt some moose you prick.
VolcardoReviewer 6 months ago
@ttiiyy
"It's ONLY free for those assholes who don't work. "
How is that any different than the one in the U.S.? ER are required to treat in the U.S. regardless of financial situation.
"Seriously, you really think that Canadian taxpayers are flattered when you liberals in the US say that the system in Canada is free?"
You should avoid the straw man/stereotype arguments. It looks pathetic.
From OECD Health Data 2011 ""Health expenditure as a share of GDP"
Canada is 11.4% vs 17.4% of the U.S.
GuardianoftheSource 2 months ago
I live in Calgary and government controls the number of doctors, and controls the number of taxis, guess what are they only two things you will have a hard time finding. A doctor and a cab, the free market works folks, we have no waiting lists for mechanics, plumbers, electricians, ect ect.
yukoncornileus4 7 months ago
Why don't we do more of what the Europeans do, since they have a much better system than Canada's. Freedom to purchase your own healthcare is a fundamental human right, in Canada you will go to jail for attempting it, that is true fascism. Freedom is what works, you can still cover the poor, every other developed nation does it. The idea that we can't somewhat copy Europe, because it will make us more American is beyond ridiculous.
yukoncornileus4 7 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 Please document this. You can't. It is not true. You have been lied to. I Canada, one can purchase supplementary private health insurance for things medicare does not cover such as private hospital rooms, optometry, prescription drugs, dentistry, chiropractic private physiotherapy.
tmenator 7 months ago
@tmenator OK there are no cases of people actually being jailed, but the main reason is that doctors are very reluctant to break the rules, they have been threatened with jail in the past. Accepting money or attempting to pay for medically necessary procedures in a crime. You can not pay for knee surgery. If you don't believe me, try slipping your doc $100 for faster service and see what happens. Notice there are no waiting lists for dentists. Choice, freedom, liberty is the answer
yukoncornileus4 7 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 Of course they can't. It would be double dipping. Double dipping used to be legal in Ontario where doctors would take a fee from the patient and then also collect full fee from Ontario Health Insurance Plan. It led to a lot of abuse.
tmenator 7 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 You are very unclear of the Canada Health Act. Doctors can & do except cash payments for services. There are a number of patients that either opt out of the provincial payer system, ie. the Amish, or have not yet qualified for the provincial payer system, ie. New Immigrants. What is not legal is doing what you think is somehow ok, slipping the doc $100 so you can go first, even though you might not be as bad as the guy that is ahead of you. Many can't afford a dentist either.
MadHabber93 7 months ago
@MadHabber93 I can pay tomorrow for the best medical treatment the world has to offer......for my dog, but I can't for my family. This is sick. We are the only country that doesn't allow a parallel private system. Their is no moral justification for this, it is just blind ideology.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 Yes, and many people can't afford treatment for their dog...period. Not to mention, Canada still offers some of the best medical treatment in the world as well...for humans. You're just pissed that YOU can't get that knee replacement in front of someone else who needs it faster. Ideology has nothing to do with it. A 2nd tier will pull much needed resources away from the public system, and create a better system for the higher income earners, which I'm one of btw.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 Ideology has everything to do with it, we are always told that this is the Canadian way. We have the 35 th best healthcare system in the world, and we are in the top 5 for spending. Doesn't that scream that something is terribly wrong? You say I want to get ahead of others on the waiting list. I want no waiting lists, Germany has no waiting lists, why don't we do what they do ?
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 First off, if you are going by the WHO ranking, it wasn't 35th. Not to mention that was bogus report and outdated.
Germany does have some waiting lists for elective procedures. But have you checked their doctor to patient ratio? Not to mention, they spend close to us per capita on healthcare, but their ratio of spending publicly is much higher. Ours is 70% public and 30% private, while their's is closer to 90%. Private for profit care is increasing our costs.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 We do not rank in the top 20, no German waits like we do. They advertise for us to come and get knee surgeries.
The government does things cheaper, with less waste, really, that is really your argument.
They are building a huge hospital in the south of Calgary, half of it will be office space for the hundreds running it, half of this huge building.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 That's weird, haven't seen the advertising. Not to mention wait time for knee replacements have been drastically reduced across Canada.
As someone who works in Pharma, going in and out of hospitals across SW Ontario and western Canada, you do realize that doctors need office space...right? I guess not. Admin offices in Canada, in comparison to U.S. hospitals, pale in number. Not to mention our admin costs are FAR less than the U.S.
And the gov't doesn't run hospitals.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 It was in the Globe and Mail a few years ago, come have a great holiday in Germany and get you knee or hip fixed. Made the news here.
Why are you looking at the US ? We can do better that their system, there are more than 2 countries in the world. Even if we did look at the US, can't we look at the things that work in the US system without taking the bad ?
The government doesn't run hospitals ? The government signs the cheques.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 We should look at other systems and things that work, we both can agree there. But you have to ask, why they work there and how they compare to ours. There's a great website that shows this comparison on a Canadian perspective. I'll send it to you if interested.
For the ad, for those that actually would have gone there or any other country for that procedure, would pale to those who had it done here.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 Yeah post it maybe others might want to see it too.
No doctors are not going to magically appear, but like I say their are no shortages of any other profession.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 canadiandoctorsformedicareDOTca/international-health-systems.html
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 Where is the evidence that the private schools take away from public ones ? Where is the evidence in every other country in the world that their private medical systems take away from the public one ? Where is the evidence that monopolies work best for the consumer, that competition is bad. Imagine if we had only on gas company, what would the price be.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 Who said they did?? I'm not talking education nor gasoline. Two Entirely different things than healthcare. Not to mention, we have certified teachers in this country with NO job. I come from a family of teachers. Supply far outstrips demand. If we don't have enough doctors for a strictly public system, how do we have enough for a 2 tier system? Answer..We don't. Private for profit clinics pull much needed docs that serve many to only serve the priviledged few.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 The government decides how many doctors we will have, that is your problem right there. We don't have a shortage of anything else. We don't have to have a shortage of doctors, just like we don't have a shortage of teachers, or any other profession. The market corrects itself, when the government stays out of it.
The public system could send a patient to a private clinic, instead of shipping them to the US, they could do it here, keep that money here.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 The gov't does NOT decide how many doctors we have. Universities decide based on budgets. Not to mention, MD graduate growth the last 5 years have been outpacing population growth. Creating a true 2nd tier system would not all of sudden create doctors out of nowhere.
And the public system did send patients to private clinics, in your province in particular. Well, they did until THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS costing the Alberta tax payers a shit load.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 Where do the Universities get their budgets, the government. The government decided years ago one way to cut healthcare budgets was to reduce the number of doctors. So they did, and we are paying for it with our lives. Because we have no choice, no freedom, no alternatives.
The deck was stacked against those private clinics to begin with. The Cambie clinic in BC seems to be doing alright.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 Cambie is doing alright, but spare me that 'the deck' was stacked against them in Alberta. Proper management would have worked, but they didn't have it. Not to mention, patients for hip operations being shuttled to private for profit clinics were charging the gov't more than what the private for non profit hospitals were. In other words, charging more the same operation, with no better results. Sorry, you can keep that.
Gov't only funds universities partially.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 Competition drives down the price not government monopolies. Look at the price of laser eye surgery these days.
There has to be ways to make it when a private clinic goes bust it doesn't cost the system money, you just send them to another.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 I've heard the laser eye surgery argument before. However, laser eye surgery is NOT healthcare. Not to mention, how many still can't afford that procedure?? How about when its something really expensive like bypass surgery with a 2 week hosptial stay??
Laser surgery takes all of 30 seconds. No comparison.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 How is Lazer Eye Surgery not Health Care. Last time I checked, the eyes are part of the body.
The same thing is true of Cosmetic Surgery, and the other 84% of the economy. Electronics have gotten better and cheaper over time, free of government control....
Why would other parts of Health Care be different?
aaasssfffdddiii 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 You talk with that socialist slant that if one can't get something no one should be able to get it. The Canada Health Act violates what our Fathers of Confederation called Canadian Liberty, who are you to tell me what I can spend my after tax money on ?? If I want to buy a knee surgery, who are you to say I can't. That is what I mean by blind ideology, socialist control simply doesn't work. Just like the Soviets had to line up for bread, we line up for heath care.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 Spare me your 'father's of confederation and liberty' bullshit. And spare me labelling me a socialist when even the VAST majority of conservatives in this country (a party that I vote for) are in FULL support of SIngle Payer healthcare. You my dear gold digger, are in the minority by a LOOOONG shot. For buying your knee replacement, we only have so many surgeons. If surgeons only do private for profit surgery serving the few rich, how does everyone else get one??
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@yukoncornileus4 you are a retard my friend. The USSR really? yup you are a moron.
Orgyfan6 6 months ago
@Orgyfan6 Name calling how intelligent, certainly not surprising.
yukoncornileus4 6 months ago
Why don't we do more of what the Europeans do, since they have a much better system than Canada's. Freedom to purchase your own healthcare is a fundamental human right, in Canada you will go to jail for attempting it, that is true fascism. Freedom is what works, you can still cover the poor, every other developed nation does it. The idea that if we can't somewhat copy Europe, because it will make us more American is beyond ridiculous.
yukoncornileus4 7 months ago
Why don't we do more of what the Europeans do, since they have a much better system than Canada's. Freedom to purchase your own healthcare is a fundamental human right, in Canada you will go to jail for attempting it, that is true fascism. Freedom is what works, you can still cover the poor, every other developed nation does it.
yukoncornileus4 7 months ago
@1955JAFO, really, your friend didn't pay anything? How about the crazy high taxes in Canada? $8 for a pack of cigarettes. $10 for a 6 pack of beer. You pay plenty, unless you're poor, in which case someone else is picking up your bill. Google Dr shortages in Canada. Google wait times there. Google how many people with money say fuck the waiting list and go get treated right away in the states. If you've got something wrong, you want it taken care of ASAP, especially if it's you're kid.
gcxred4kat9 7 months ago
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MadHabber93 7 months ago
@gcxred4kat9 Google dr. shortages in the U.S. Google how many simply forgo treatment at all, in other words, a wait time of FOREVER. Google the study Phantoms in the Snow that concluded that rich or many Canadians going south for care is a myth. Google open medicine Canadian vs. American healthcare outcomes. Google Canadian vs. American income tax rates. Google how long Canadians wait for urgent care...WE DON'T. Here's an idea, don't smoke, and don't drink a lot.
MadHabber93 7 months ago
@gcxred4kat9
Google "How many canadians want to trade their health care system with the american one". Seriously, it's not a perfect system, we know, but never would we trade it with the american one.
jcolin1987 7 months ago
@gcxred4kat9 The problem is that people without insurance in the US don't go on a waiting list because they can't afford the care.
tmenator 7 months ago
My friends son just spent a month on the cardiac floor at Toronto General. The bill??? zip..zero...nada. He's fine and on his way home. How much would you pay in the USA??
1955JAFO 7 months ago
Attention Everyone Fix is a TROLL.
ungs123 7 months ago
FixWCB is a product of the workman's compensation board, who controls his healthcare, not the provincial system that EVERYONE else uses. THe average wait time for NON-urgent MRI's is 30 days. Immediately if urgent. Doctors didn't treat him because he's a FUCKING lunatic.
MadHabber93 7 months ago
delays and waiting for diagnose and treatment; 3 year wait for 1st MRI; another 18 months for the 2nd MRI; 5 yr wait for 3rd MRI; In 2006 I told many physicians exactly what I thought was wrong, it was never investigated and 4 years later I was diagnosed with exactly what I stated I thought was wrong, I have not received any treatment and was just denied a specialists appointment in Calgary; UNIVERSAL HEALTH care is a big LIE; This is government RATIONED healthcare with long delays;
FIXWCBCANADA 7 months ago
watch the burzinski movie dipshit
FIXWCBCANADA 7 months ago
The reason why you see so much obesety is because healthy food cot more then junk food. Go to a grocery store and look at the price for processed food and then check the price of the fresh food. You can buy a can of vegetables for like 65 cents. And fresh vagetables cost like $1.50 to $2 something a lb. The FDA(government run) is purposely making fresh foods cost more and processed food lower cost. If you take notice that it's more poor people that are obese, not the rich people.
simwrangler 8 months ago
@simwrangler why on earth would the govt WANT purposely high fresh food? That does not make sense at all.
JonnyPxN 7 months ago
@JonnyPxN The same reason why the FDA outlawed Vitamin B17 that has been proven to cure cancer. It's because the more sick people there are the more money they can steal from them. The FDA won't do any studies on vitamin b17, because it can't be patent by the drug companies. And the doctors are forbiden to say anything about B17 because they would lose there medical license.
simwrangler 7 months ago
@simwrangler *faceplalm* The government would want a healthy population because then it can get more taxes from them. If less people were healthy, less people would work and it would mean LESS revenue for them. What you are describing is how the private insurers work.
JonnyPxN 7 months ago
@JonnyPxN Yeah, whatever dumbass. You THINK you know it all Do the research asswipe.
simwrangler 7 months ago
@simwrangler hehe. Can't debate me on the actual points, so you are resorting to good ol' fashioned immature namecalling. Even now I can imagine you as some dumb, hillbilly who likes WWF getting annoyed because a liberal like myself has just talked and you can't understand what I'm saying. You probably follow people like rush limbaugh like they are gods and just spout clap trap and explaining it as "well hick um rush says its true so its hick true!! Damn liberals socialists!" (Hick)
JonnyPxN 7 months ago
@simwrangler oh and btw, I'm going to ignore yoru rambligns from now on, so continue talking to yourself :)
JonnyPxN 7 months ago
@JonnyPxN Because you're liberal asshole who rather believes all the lies than the turth you sorry piece of shit.
simwrangler 7 months ago
whats so hard to see ... in canada and europe healthcare IS FREE
zer0lis 8 months ago
@zer0lis Oui, but your healthcare has unreliable service, and hospitals will be full, you'd be waiting forevever to get worked on.This also screws thhe doctors over.
Varyalover 8 months ago
@Varyalover So you've been to Romania then?
MadHabber93 8 months ago
@zer0lis Not for the ones who have to pay for it you idiot. Why can't you see that FACT.
tripleheshy 8 months ago
What Fixwcb doesn't tell you is the vast majority of the Canadian public, 99.9% aren't under workman's comp, and therefore don't fall under his bullshit claim. 90% of Canadians are MORE than happy with our Universal System. Workman comp patients DO NOT fall under it.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
In Canada 90 - 95 % of significant injuries & insurance interests are deliberately misdiagnosed & not treated or compensated. They use stereotypical clinical code/commentary to classify & render injured workers & auto accident patient - claimants. This undermines the principles of universal healthcare.
Canada was a testing ground for this Medical New York Shell game
We are treated as bad as or worse than livestock in our 'universal' healthcare system, yet most of the public doesn't know it.
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA paranoid much......86% satisfaction rate
lordrazr 7 months ago
im so lucky to live in canada. i hope we never lose our system we have. if we have concerns about our health or want a check-up we just make an apointment for when we want and go. for FREE! also....if your condition is serious and life threatning u dont wait. i never waited
jennifer171986 9 months ago
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jennifer171986 9 months ago
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Wow, what a shocker, the RICH lawyer has no problem with the American system.
Peltar100 9 months ago
Good to see some objectivity on the differences .Wait times for surgury in Canada have been reduced in a major way in the last two years.With a few more bucks ,a closer look at service distribution .the problem has been vastly improved nationally. And it's because the system is in place universally and can be managaed a lot easeir.It works, it's working a lot better ,it's cheaper and everyone is covered even if you lose your job. Why would you pay more for that insecurity?
tindallpe 9 months ago
WHAT GOOD IS HEALTH CARE, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS CHEM TRAILING,
POISONING EVERYONE WITH THEIR AGENDA 21 DEPOPULATION PROGRAM;
WATCH THE MOVIE FULL VERSION.
''WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY SPRAYING''
EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT AGENDA 21
FLUORIDE IN THE WATER
MONSANTO FOODS
WAR FOR OIL IRAQ, 9/11 FALSE FLAG OPERATION Stephen Harper. He's not in it for you!
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
Is that why Canada brings in 250,000 immigrants every year so we can do our part to poison the world. Conspirerist whack job .We also have one of the highest life expectancy ratings in the world . They need to get better poison and you need to get your back fixed up so you can get back to work and off the drugs
tindallpe 9 months ago
ck this story out on google, saskatchewan man denied surgery
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Good I'm glad you pointed that out.The system needs to be more accountable for what they do . Maybe someone needs to pay for that .The doctor or doctors should have a law suit coming their way for that in my opiniion. There is no doubt the procedure could have been done here .It seems the doctor was incompetent
tindallpe 9 months ago
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN CANADA IS A BIG FUCKING LIE
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA actually its not. move to the u.s and pay if u dont like it
jennifer171986 9 months ago
AND over 50% of bankruptcies in the U.S. are a result of having to pay for health care costs. That is a huge concern for people I would think. We have problems; I’ll admit that but ours can be fixed .We should have more private cliincs..fine . I think Americans are getting screwed by that system. Of course opinions are like…..you know …everybody has one.
tindallpe 9 months ago
I don't trust the Canadian government any more than Americans trust theirs. Maybe we are a little better at keeping them in check....or maybe not .Don’t you have to ask yourselves why you pay almost twice as much per capita , you have deductibles so the companies aren’t even paying out unless it’s major , you have preconditions allowing companies to deny coverage, they cap their payouts at $500,000 or whatever it is, a huge portion of the population isn’t covered.
tindallpe 9 months ago
@tindallpe I don’t mean to be condescending at all. There is availability in the US if you pay for it .That’s great. What is failing is your privately run health system charges your government what ever they choose for services and your bureaucrats just pay the bill(Medicare). Insurance companies have allowed hospitals to bill more as they both agree in a profit margin for health care.
tindallpe 9 months ago
what about the tax payers who put money in ''the best countr in the world'' what do they get, those people just pay in and the money is going to secret projects like underground base in dulce NM and much more please google it !!!!
TheLeohaupt 10 months ago
USA and health care HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
TheLeohaupt 10 months ago
@TheLeohaupt That is why foreign dignitaries come to USA to get heart surgery and NOT GERMANY.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
ARepublicanVictory 10 months ago
fuck american health care the best health care is in germany
TheLeohaupt 10 months ago
@TheLeohaupt Fucking liar-
ARepublicanVictory 10 months ago
@TheLeohaupt Thats right. Germans are good in almost everything they do.
Bistol1 9 months ago
@medicalmarijunawa Rationed healthcare vs Private Insured Healthcare. Right, no comparison.
ARepublicanVictory 10 months ago
I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that. The American health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and the American Medical Assoc.
Canada, Britain, France and even Cuba all have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health care plans where every citizen receives health care with no additional costs
Chidanandaji 10 months ago
canada is low technology, long wait lists, 3rd world doctors who lack medical skills,
then you have wait lists to get on wait lists, In Canada it takes 100 doctors to diagnose a spinal injury, HOW FUCKEN BAD ARE THESE DOCTORS;
FIXWCBCANADA 10 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Wow, not 1, not 2, 3 ,4 but 5 bullshit claims in one short posting. You've outdone yourself dickhead.
MadHabber93 10 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Hey who ever you are YOU are a "Workers Compensation Reject" that was scewed over by the Saskachewan WSIB. Stop slandering the Canadian health care system because you got fucked over by an insurace company. I see you all over these posts . You are a bitter,bitter man . WSIB are the criminals .I know that. They are criminals and they should be procecuted under the" Charter of Rights and Freedoms"
tindallpe 9 months ago
@tindallpe.....FUCK YOU BUDDY,,,IF THE DOCTORS IN CANADA WERE ANY GOOD I WOULDN'T BE IN THIS FUCKING MESS.....YES WORKERS COMP ARE IGNORANT FUCKS;;; BUT IT SHOULDN'T TAKE 28 DOCTORS TO DIAGNOSE A SPINAL INJURY
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Well OK why don't you go to the US if you think they'll be any better
tindallpe 9 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA So you're out in Saskatchewan and they have a spinal cord research centre in Winnipeg At the University of Manitoba .It sounds to me you should be trying to see if you can't get help there were they specialize in spinal cord research. I know WSIB will just cast you out like you are nothing because they are simply an insurance company guised as a government agency but they are not. They are a rancid group of people; more despised than the Canada Revenue Agency
tindallpe 9 months ago
@tindallpe I've been telling Fixwcb for months that you can't equate our system to what has happened to him with workman's comp. I've concluded he's mentally handicapped and simply a dolt.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
@MadHabber93..GO FUCK YOURSELF MADHABBER93..... YOUR THE MENTAL MIDGET .... UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN CANADA IS A BIG FUCKING LIE;
I PAID INTO THIS FUCKING LIE EVERY YEAR SINCE I WAS 17, AND HAVE BEEN DENIED MEDICAL CARE;
WAIT TILL YOU REALLY NEED HELP AND THEN YOUR FUCKED JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED;
1 BILLION ON SECURITY IN 3 DAYS IN CANADA TO DENY HUMANS RIGHTS; G8/G20
DO YOU HAVE ANY ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH 1 BILLION DOLLARS IS?
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Grow up you fucking tool.
Do you have the ability to understand that YOU ARE CONTROLLED BY WORKMAN'S COMP not the PROVINCIAL SYSTEM???
When ever your small little mind gets that little tidbit of fact, maybe then you'll join the rest of the world in brain function.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
Arcarargle
dethklokicksbutt 10 months ago
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I live in the USA, but when I was talking to a Canadian friend who is a doctor he told me how the wait lists had been removed through reform of their system a couple years ago which sped up the waiting lists. This makes the big argument which was valid a few years back now invalid. I've written the argument based on biology for why health care is a prerequisite to everything on my blog: stidmatt-views.blogspot.com/2011/01/non-political-biological-constitutional.html
Stidmatt1 10 months ago
I live in the USA, but when I was talking to a Canadian friend who is a doctor he told me how the wait lists had been removed through reform of their system a couple years ago which sped up the waiting lists. This makes the big argument which was valid a few years back now invalid.
Stidmatt1 10 months ago
In Canada 90 - 95 % of significant injuries & insurance interests are deliberately misdiagnosed & not treated or compensated. They use stereotypical clinical code/commentary to classify & render injured workers & auto accident patient - claimants. This undermines the principles of universal healthcare.
Canada was a testing ground for this Medical New York Shell game
We are treated as bad as or worse than livestock in our 'universal' healthcare system, yet most of the public doesn't know it.
MadHabber99 11 months ago
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simplechocolatediet 11 months ago
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FatReleaseSystem 11 months ago
Too bad everything ARepublicanVictory has written is factually incorrect, except the amount of spending on healthcare we do in Canada.
MadHabber93 11 months ago
Canadians spend 10 percent of annual GDP on health care, while Americans spend 16 percent. However, Canadians experience long waiting lists for diagnosis and treatment, rationed care, and limited access to doctors and new medical devices. You can get private medical care in Canada -- if you are a pet and your doctor is a vet.
ARepublicanVictory 11 months ago
@ARepublicanVictory Basically waiting time in Canada is determined by how severe your injuries are and waiting time in the U.S. is determined by how much money you've paid to your insurance companies. No wonder more people go to the U.S. for health care than any other country, it's because the people who do come have the money to pay. And in America, more money equals faster and better treatment.
wangsta25 11 months ago
@wangsta25 Wrong.
I know people who had no insurance back in the 1990s with life threatening injuries sustained during car accidents. They received the best care. Illegal aliens also come here and get the best care. They are not even Americans and have no insurance. Explain that?
American health care is just fine. Obama had no right to touch anything with his socialist destructive programs.
ARepublicanVictory 11 months ago
@ARepublicanVictory Wake up sonny, American health care is JUST FINE?! U must b rich!!! Let's don't even talk about IF everyone can hav health care (u certainly wouldn't want people 2 hav medical care, otherwise that would b SOCIALISM and NAZI and COMMUNISM!!!). The price 4 health care in the U.S. is THROUGH THE ROOF. Liberals think health care IS a problem while Conservatives don't, Conservatives don't give a damn if u got cancer, if u can't pay yourself ur fucked.
G.O.P= God, Oil, Profits
wangsta25 11 months ago
@wangsta25 I AM not rich sonny. I just TAKE CARE OF MYSELF. Stop drinking alcohol, stop doing drugs and live a holistic lifestyle. Maybe you would not bitch about health problems or health care so much. Our health care system was fine before this idiot Obama messed with it. For that transgression, he will pay fully. He will not be president after 2012.
Every person in America can not be covered by health care. Health care prevention is a cheaper solution, not forcing people to accept garbage.
ARepublicanVictory 11 months ago
@ARepublicanVictory Health care prevention is cheaper: Where do i go to it in this country?
Stidmatt1 10 months ago
@ARepublicanVictory Health care prevention is cheaper: Where do i go to get it in this country?
Stidmatt1 10 months ago
@Stidmatt1 If the lunatic Obama would stop what he is doing, it could be found in this very nation. Liberalism MUST be stopped. Anti Americans MUST be stopped NOW.
ARepublicanVictory 10 months ago
@ARepublicanVictory , GREED rulesUS, that is the problem. In Europe emergency care is always paid by the govmt, and don't even start me on paid maternity leave for 4-12months, and free education...These are basic human rights! But no, in US "human rights" are for the priviledges. The rest are just tax-paying slaves. Taxes you get newxt to nothing for. I mean...medicare is for people over 65?!?!?!? WHAT?!?!?!?
Tihbialdunav 10 months ago