Hey colorado dude. These engines can suck a fucking massive luggage cart into the intake at startup.... This fucking guy was in a very dangerous place at that RPM.
The only dangerous place is in front of the intake or directly behind the jet pipe, unless of course the starter motor spits it's compressor blades out. I've seen quite a few 'Hamilton Standard' starters do this and they are devastating when they let go!
Whenever we have to air start a plane I'm always the poor guy that has to walk under the engines to unhook the huffer. Scary as hell. If I used a bunch of terms you don't know then an air start is a planes equivalent to jumping a car. It's basically a giant air compressor that spins the fan blades of the engine to get it to start and the huffer is just the name of the compressor. Being a ramp agent is dangerous but I love it.
Look what is going on here is the mechanic is doing a starter bypass. The engine's start valve is probably MEL'ed and you have to do a manual open and close of the valve. The hand signals are for him to close the valve after the captain has a good start. This is not a very common occurrence, but it is something that is done on aircraft. The only reason that its not common is that the aircraft would require mechanics at all the cities it flies to. As mechanics are the only ones that do this.
Air starts can be very dangerous, you have to make sure no one is in front to get sucked in and behind so they don't get any jet blast. But it is common to do. I wouldn't of stood there.
...he's CLEARLY not in any danger because he's neither in front of or behind the engine. This guy is standing under the engine between the intake and the exhaust.
well it's not the safest job on the ramp, but sometimes you have to get close on startup. Try getting starting a corporate jet on a GPU. You have to get right under the engine in a lot of cases.
Actually... this procedure it's pretty common. I work at the ramp in SJU (San Juan, PR) and what they're actually doing is turning the engine on via an Air Start because the aircraft's APU is INOP. And no, you don't have to be an engineer to do this.
I know, it IS VERY IMPORTANT!, but for some reason, airlines "think" it's better to have an airplane in the air w/o the APU than risk the lives of hundres of people.
that is only some airlines not all. Pilots who report the failures to the airlines, the airlines should sent maintenance to fix it. Slacky or poor airlines dont really care or they have bad safety standards.
If the plane runs out of fuel or problems with the generators in the engine, all cocpit controls and hydraulics wont work. It will rely on the APU for electricity for operation. So BAD SAFETY standards.
The 747 can not start it's APU in the air (Due to the fact that the APU air inlet faces backwards). If left running on the ground, it can operate to 20,000ftAGL then shut itself down.
Boeing does offer an APU that can be started in the for the 744, but no commercial airline has ever ordered this feature.
If the aircraft runs out fuel, what is the APU going to run on? It does not have it's own fuel source. In the 744, it draws it's fuel from wingtank #2 (In some installations it can draw form tanks 2,3 for balance.)
Also without engines, you have no thrust, and you have no hyraulics, the aircraft is uncontrollable. What do you wish to provide electricity to? A hole in the ground?
The APU is not going to help you in this sitatuin, and therefore is unneeded. You are both ill informed.
@bphendri You do have hydraulics, you have the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) that deploys in the event of both engine failure or 4 engine failure. In other words, your aircraft is a glider, but at least its a controlable one.
Probabbly because it was thought that the chance of loosing all 4 engines at one time, was so infintessimly small the added cost of installation, and weight was not seen as a benifit.
The APU is NOT a MEL item, It is NOT needed except on the ground when GP is not available.
In a 4 engine aircraft if you loose all engines, you have bigger problems then just having no electrical power (Backup batteries will provide power for up to 30min),
bphendi i would not make a statement like yours. APU is needed on the ground, but in the air if the engines and backup battery fail, then the APU needs to kick in to keep electrical components in the cockpit functioning. 30 mins is not a lot of time.
Sometimes engine failure at an altitude of 45000 ft and airport is 1 hr away, that APU may be of use.
You loose all your engines, you have much bigger problems then your 30 minute backup power. (With or without a RAT.. 744 does not have one of those either)
You have no engines. so assuming your at FL450 (A little high even for the 744). FL410 is a much more realistic #, and can glide at a controlled decent rate of -3000fpm, you have aprox 15 minutes before the plane is on the ground SOMWEHERE.
Long distance flight given the condition of a well or fair whether with not much wind, aircraft like 747 can travel at an altitude 45000 ft. Go look on youtube. 15 minutes? that depends on where the engines gets fucked up. If your plane stands 150 miles away from the neearest airport, not even the glide slope can help.That depends on what is the problem with the plane and the position. Why dont you actually try to think of the worst case scenerio? instead of thinking everything is perfect?
WOW really that guy really just said he works at KGSP?? Haha, if you deal with an airplane its probably no bigger than a 737. Seriously this is just a video not something to have a little shit fit argument over. There are bigger things in life to fight about.
bummer! thats what i said to my DM, i'm doing this sort of shit and i'm a baggage handler :( i even have to fish out a glove from the APU once because there wasn't a engineer available. now i know for a fact i'm not getting paid enough to do what i do. lol
Actually, it's not dangerous to stand exactly at that spot when the engine is running. But you have to be careful. Where this person is standing, there is a little hole in the side of the engine, where you can put i stick into it and press a button to shut down the engine manually. Baggagehandlers does not have the sertificate to do this job, only technicians or other sertificated personel can. But ofcourse, this guy must be retarted. It's not recommended to stand there during start-up at all.
He is actually manually opening a pneumatic starter control valve. They usually open on command, but sometimes they get stuck closed, and have to be opened with a ratchet!! I have done this many times!! Not sure about the hand signals though... the engine had not ignited yet, so it would be a bit too early to let the valve close!!
im sorry .. your an idiot.. you obviously do not work on a ramp.. or work on working airplanes. i do work on a ramp... KGSP or just GSP if you are in USA. the hand signals are his team trying to save is STUPID life. cause that engine IS starting. and he is standing in the BLAST zone. he is about to be getting a crispy exterior. the aircraft seemed to be a 747 or equelly large and the IDIOT in the pushback (doing the video) should have been telling the pilot to do an emergency shut down.
Are you talking to me?? Cause I actually do work on aircraft every day!! And he is actually not in the blast zone, is actually under neath the cowling where the pneumatic control valve is located, no where near where the exhaust would be coming out, in which case all it would do is blow him backwards not make him crispy as you say.
@mccarkeys im ashamed that while we have such crappy planes our monkey "president" is killing innocent civilians and saying idiotic stuff on public tv, he should be torchured
Чёртва работа - это у того, кто сидит в тягаче и ничего больше в жизни не умеет, а не у СПЕЦИАЛИСТА по эксплуатации планера и двигателя с высшим образованием и многочисленными дополнительными сертификатами на техническое обслуживание!!!
@mccarkeys Čërtva it is him who sits on the tractor and nothing else in life, do not know how, not an expert on the airframe and engine with higher education and numerous additional certificates for maintenance!!!
i would laugh my ass off. i mean, what the hell isn't funny about some guy standing under a running engine while the #2 man is using some stupid hand signal trying to tell him to stop....all of which the engine man doesn't quite understand? i mean, why tell the pilot to cut the engine power over interfone when you can spaz out with your arm? i would be having the time of my life. ahahhaa
Even in telling the pilot to cut power it would take upwards of a minute for the engine to shut down after he hits the switch. Hence the stupid hand signals, which, btw, save hundreds of lives every year. get a clue.
An airstart?! hockey8813 you have no idea what you're talking about.
An airstart is done with a pneumatic hose hooked up to a turbine machine a good few yards from the plane. The hose itself is connect to the underbody of the plane, never directly into an engine!!
Not only that but with an airstart on an airplane like this engines 3 or 4 would be started. NOT engine 2.
This guy is doing some sort of maintenance to engine 2 and started the engine.
you realise how idiotic that sounds as a Gas turbine engine is shut off the moment you switch the Fuel flow to "Cut off", and from there even though the engine is still hot it's not blowing out air at around 300* C but now about 70-80? and without barely any thrust? you could walk behind the engine safely within about 15 seconds of shutdown.
expecting no more then the world's largest hair dryer?
The Guy on the Headset is asking the person near the Engine to release the Manual handle of the Start valve.Else the Engine will drive the starter & can disentegrate it.
Too bad the pushback person recording it finds it funny.
go side wards
alecdepalect 2 months ago
me too i will love to have his job
mmrp1965 2 months ago
Hey colorado dude. These engines can suck a fucking massive luggage cart into the intake at startup.... This fucking guy was in a very dangerous place at that RPM.
FSEVENMAN 2 months ago
Where the hell was this? Bakalavia? The engine wad held on w/ duct tape..
FSEVENMAN 2 months ago
whats wrong with the teenagers filming this? This isnt anything spectacular, its pretty common - they sound like a couple of retarded stoners.
coloradopast 3 months ago
@coloradopast LMFAO!!!! thats what i was thinking.... that or a couple of donkeys.
tom211t 3 months ago
I swear to god I saw him pull out his phone to text lol
redhoodjason 3 months ago
The only dangerous place is in front of the intake or directly behind the jet pipe, unless of course the starter motor spits it's compressor blades out. I've seen quite a few 'Hamilton Standard' starters do this and they are devastating when they let go!
56Gumball 3 months ago
I don't know why so many people give this a thumbs down... it's not the videographer's fault that this is dangerous... it's a very interesting video!
aaftabj 3 months ago
its too cold for him
kevini15 4 months ago
Never seen it done before, I knew about the procedure but its so fucking dangerous! You think he would be tethered to the ground or something!
jonny96 4 months ago
We used to field trim engines this way all the time.
lucabrasi1337 4 months ago
Did it a few times on 737's,not too bad because its located on the left side of engine at a near straight on approach!
09FLHT 5 months ago
BRAVE
sirArchitect 5 months ago
haha thats what i do for a job!!!!
st1ckle 6 months ago
I would love that job give it to me
MrLukem14 9 months ago
after that he will be flying
blockscorpio 10 months ago
after that he flying
blockscorpio 10 months ago
Whenever we have to air start a plane I'm always the poor guy that has to walk under the engines to unhook the huffer. Scary as hell. If I used a bunch of terms you don't know then an air start is a planes equivalent to jumping a car. It's basically a giant air compressor that spins the fan blades of the engine to get it to start and the huffer is just the name of the compressor. Being a ramp agent is dangerous but I love it.
UnthrownWaffle 11 months ago
@UnthrownWaffle WOW was that a JT9D
Helicopterpilot16 11 months ago
Let the jet engine suck him in.....he is so dangerous
syafiqdell 1 year ago
He should get out of the way maybe?
Allanbruun 1 year ago
would the apu normally start them?
polak4lyf 1 year ago
Always try to maintain eye contact with headset man, fool!
Blitz4000 1 year ago
this is my dads job, but he died through jet engine, i will do his job to make my father proud
thumbs up! xD
xianhijastro 1 year ago
Look what is going on here is the mechanic is doing a starter bypass. The engine's start valve is probably MEL'ed and you have to do a manual open and close of the valve. The hand signals are for him to close the valve after the captain has a good start. This is not a very common occurrence, but it is something that is done on aircraft. The only reason that its not common is that the aircraft would require mechanics at all the cities it flies to. As mechanics are the only ones that do this.
Cisco1081 2 years ago 20
evryone stop acting all cool that you no something for god sake
andithat 2 years ago
Funny how the other ramp agent is giving him the "Stop it!" or "No, No, No!" signals.
MidwestAirlinesrocks 2 years ago
i would love to have a job like that
hillzmage209 2 years ago 14
All he's doing is adjusting the JT-9d .
I used to do it at TWA. Not dangerous.
BigEShellback86 2 years ago
jesus how did d man just stand their like dat i wud of ran away by the time i heard the noise of d engine
SuperSaminator 2 years ago
am scarded jus by watching it
xXxreallydontcarexXx 2 years ago
Air starts can be very dangerous, you have to make sure no one is in front to get sucked in and behind so they don't get any jet blast. But it is common to do. I wouldn't of stood there.
spiderman82pm 2 years ago
hes quite safe where he was but few steps foward and he would be sucked in. LOL
MAku69s 2 years ago
Well, hes clearly not in danger of being sucked in or blown away, so it looks pretty safe.
liOVERLOADil 2 years ago
hes not safe. He is behind the engine, and the plane is starting. He is suppose to stay away from the engine. HE IS NOT SAFE.
yuna238 2 years ago
...he's CLEARLY not in any danger because he's neither in front of or behind the engine. This guy is standing under the engine between the intake and the exhaust.
liOVERLOADil 2 years ago
well it's not the safest job on the ramp, but sometimes you have to get close on startup. Try getting starting a corporate jet on a GPU. You have to get right under the engine in a lot of cases.
bikrtc 2 years ago
You sir, dont know what your talking about. Please, shut up.
dawsonkidtko 2 years ago
Well what if it was a GE 90-115B, those engines making loud vibrating/bass sound at startup.
zeesham13 2 years ago
Actually... this procedure it's pretty common. I work at the ramp in SJU (San Juan, PR) and what they're actually doing is turning the engine on via an Air Start because the aircraft's APU is INOP. And no, you don't have to be an engineer to do this.
jibarito26 2 years ago 2
if the APU is INOP they should fix it. APU is important.
yuna238 2 years ago
I know, it IS VERY IMPORTANT!, but for some reason, airlines "think" it's better to have an airplane in the air w/o the APU than risk the lives of hundres of people.
jibarito26 2 years ago
that is only some airlines not all. Pilots who report the failures to the airlines, the airlines should sent maintenance to fix it. Slacky or poor airlines dont really care or they have bad safety standards.
If the plane runs out of fuel or problems with the generators in the engine, all cocpit controls and hydraulics wont work. It will rely on the APU for electricity for operation. So BAD SAFETY standards.
yuna238 2 years ago
The 747 can not start it's APU in the air (Due to the fact that the APU air inlet faces backwards). If left running on the ground, it can operate to 20,000ftAGL then shut itself down.
Boeing does offer an APU that can be started in the for the 744, but no commercial airline has ever ordered this feature.
bphendri 2 years ago
Just curious. "If the plane runs out fuel" where exactly is the APU going to get it's fuel to operate?
The APU does not have it's own fuel source. On the 747, it gets it fuel from Main tank #2 (In some 747s it can draw from both 2 and 3 for balance.)
Also without hydraulics, or thrust the aircraft is uncontrolable anyways. What good is having lights and displays?
Perhaps you can find a need for providing light to a hole in the ground, I can not.
bphendri 2 years ago
If the aircraft runs out fuel, what is the APU going to run on? It does not have it's own fuel source. In the 744, it draws it's fuel from wingtank #2 (In some installations it can draw form tanks 2,3 for balance.)
Also without engines, you have no thrust, and you have no hyraulics, the aircraft is uncontrollable. What do you wish to provide electricity to? A hole in the ground?
The APU is not going to help you in this sitatuin, and therefore is unneeded. You are both ill informed.
bphendri 2 years ago
@bphendri You do have hydraulics, you have the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) that deploys in the event of both engine failure or 4 engine failure. In other words, your aircraft is a glider, but at least its a controlable one.
MystikalDawn 2 years ago
I understand.. However a 747 does not have a RAT. Unless it's a furry one
bphendri 2 years ago
@bphendri Really? i didnt realize that, how come I wonder?
MystikalDawn 2 years ago
Probabbly because it was thought that the chance of loosing all 4 engines at one time, was so infintessimly small the added cost of installation, and weight was not seen as a benifit.
Trivia: The -8F and -8i will have a RAT.
bphendri 2 years ago
The APU is NOT a MEL item, It is NOT needed except on the ground when GP is not available.
In a 4 engine aircraft if you loose all engines, you have bigger problems then just having no electrical power (Backup batteries will provide power for up to 30min),
bphendri 2 years ago
@bphendri
bphendi i would not make a statement like yours. APU is needed on the ground, but in the air if the engines and backup battery fail, then the APU needs to kick in to keep electrical components in the cockpit functioning. 30 mins is not a lot of time.
Sometimes engine failure at an altitude of 45000 ft and airport is 1 hr away, that APU may be of use.
yuna238 2 years ago
Well.. Boeing agree's with me, the FAA agree's with me? So whats the problem?
On a 747, the APU can NOT be started in flight...
bphendri 2 years ago
You loose all your engines, you have much bigger problems then your 30 minute backup power. (With or without a RAT.. 744 does not have one of those either)
You have no engines. so assuming your at FL450 (A little high even for the 744). FL410 is a much more realistic #, and can glide at a controlled decent rate of -3000fpm, you have aprox 15 minutes before the plane is on the ground SOMWEHERE.
30min it's plenlty of batter time.
bphendri 2 years ago
Long distance flight given the condition of a well or fair whether with not much wind, aircraft like 747 can travel at an altitude 45000 ft. Go look on youtube. 15 minutes? that depends on where the engines gets fucked up. If your plane stands 150 miles away from the neearest airport, not even the glide slope can help.That depends on what is the problem with the plane and the position. Why dont you actually try to think of the worst case scenerio? instead of thinking everything is perfect?
yuna238 2 years ago
Funny, it's not certified at that altitude. Where do you see that done regularlly? On Microsoft flight simulator?
bphendri 2 years ago
you shouldnt really be taking this attitude when working and following safety procedures. It's not funny or professional
1982mf 2 years ago
id love to have this guys job he makes a shitload of money!
yankeesfan135 2 years ago
let me remind u that this guy is a engineer and prob earns way more money then some of u chums here.
g0ds0n123 2 years ago
the engine nacelle gives you a little diagram of where it is safe to stand while the jet is on
stormthorgerson 2 years ago
WOW really that guy really just said he works at KGSP?? Haha, if you deal with an airplane its probably no bigger than a 737. Seriously this is just a video not something to have a little shit fit argument over. There are bigger things in life to fight about.
arm362 2 years ago
These guys are Engineers only engineers are alowed to do this sort of stuff
g0ds0n123 3 years ago
bummer! thats what i said to my DM, i'm doing this sort of shit and i'm a baggage handler :( i even have to fish out a glove from the APU once because there wasn't a engineer available. now i know for a fact i'm not getting paid enough to do what i do. lol
bumcarnage 2 years ago
Actually, it's not dangerous to stand exactly at that spot when the engine is running. But you have to be careful. Where this person is standing, there is a little hole in the side of the engine, where you can put i stick into it and press a button to shut down the engine manually. Baggagehandlers does not have the sertificate to do this job, only technicians or other sertificated personel can. But ofcourse, this guy must be retarted. It's not recommended to stand there during start-up at all.
havregryn 3 years ago
unfknblievable!! The stuff they do in other countries.
bnetolldnataman 3 years ago
thats not an air start u cock sucker
goldfinger57 3 years ago
Actually it is a pneumatic start... how the hell else do you suppose they start an aircraft engine, the same way as a cars engine??
bluedragon436 3 years ago
pretty much, turn a switch and vroommm she goes ;p
MystikalDawn 2 years ago
So thats why on on the DC-10, (KC10) there is an interphone jack on the enginees Nacells. I was wondering about that...
bphendri 2 years ago
monkey nuts on you testicles
deadkatoncrack 3 years ago
He is actually manually opening a pneumatic starter control valve. They usually open on command, but sometimes they get stuck closed, and have to be opened with a ratchet!! I have done this many times!! Not sure about the hand signals though... the engine had not ignited yet, so it would be a bit too early to let the valve close!!
bluedragon436 3 years ago
im sorry .. your an idiot.. you obviously do not work on a ramp.. or work on working airplanes. i do work on a ramp... KGSP or just GSP if you are in USA. the hand signals are his team trying to save is STUPID life. cause that engine IS starting. and he is standing in the BLAST zone. he is about to be getting a crispy exterior. the aircraft seemed to be a 747 or equelly large and the IDIOT in the pushback (doing the video) should have been telling the pilot to do an emergency shut down.
XCharger 3 years ago
Are you talking to me?? Cause I actually do work on aircraft every day!! And he is actually not in the blast zone, is actually under neath the cowling where the pneumatic control valve is located, no where near where the exhaust would be coming out, in which case all it would do is blow him backwards not make him crispy as you say.
bluedragon436 3 years ago 2
i duno if they did it dont come into heathrow they got that aircraft off fucking ebay
mccarkeys 3 years ago 4
you have to turn a valve to get the engine to start?
killkidnumber2 3 years ago 3
only if its the iran air 747 thats about 30 years old and fallin apart
mccarkeys 3 years ago
didnt iran and russia build a new aircraft for short range?
killkidnumber2 3 years ago
@mccarkeys im ashamed that while we have such crappy planes our monkey "president" is killing innocent civilians and saying idiotic stuff on public tv, he should be torchured
woodshuck 1 year ago
@woodshuck Where are you from ?
tierren 1 year ago
@tierren Iran
woodshuck 1 year ago
@woodshuck Oh, you should move to the United States to escape
tierren 1 year ago
@tierren shut up fuckhead
woodshuck 1 year ago
@woodshuck I was saying it with welcome
tierren 1 year ago
@tierren why should i come to usa?
1. i live in belgium
2. everything is fine in Iran, i go there every summer and sometimes christmas
3. don't confuse it with afghanistan or iraq
4. yes i know our president sucks ass
woodshuck 1 year ago
@woodshuck i totally agree
SQUIRALBOY43 1 year ago
@SQUIRALBOY43 thx :D
woodshuck 1 year ago
@mccarkeys
manual start handle. if the starts dead you gotta start it manually by opening a valve. i've done it before it's not that bad.
konvalbr 11 months ago
Чёртва работа - это у того, кто сидит в тягаче и ничего больше в жизни не умеет, а не у СПЕЦИАЛИСТА по эксплуатации планера и двигателя с высшим образованием и многочисленными дополнительными сертификатами на техническое обслуживание!!!
fffvlk 3 years ago
do one
mccarkeys 3 years ago 5
@mccarkeys Čërtva it is him who sits on the tractor and nothing else in life, do not know how, not an expert on the airframe and engine with higher education and numerous additional certificates for maintenance!!!
fffvlk
Chrisean88 1 year ago
wow-)
ansettaddict123 3 years ago
i would laugh my ass off. i mean, what the hell isn't funny about some guy standing under a running engine while the #2 man is using some stupid hand signal trying to tell him to stop....all of which the engine man doesn't quite understand? i mean, why tell the pilot to cut the engine power over interfone when you can spaz out with your arm? i would be having the time of my life. ahahhaa
phobal 3 years ago
Even in telling the pilot to cut power it would take upwards of a minute for the engine to shut down after he hits the switch. Hence the stupid hand signals, which, btw, save hundreds of lives every year. get a clue.
squitestube 3 years ago
yeah maybe you can help me get a clue as to why someone is standing under a live engine and what the hell that hand signal is supposed to signify?
phobal 3 years ago
the guy is doing an airstart I do it everyday but the hand signal i have no clue..
hockey8813 3 years ago
An airstart?! hockey8813 you have no idea what you're talking about.
An airstart is done with a pneumatic hose hooked up to a turbine machine a good few yards from the plane. The hose itself is connect to the underbody of the plane, never directly into an engine!!
Not only that but with an airstart on an airplane like this engines 3 or 4 would be started. NOT engine 2.
This guy is doing some sort of maintenance to engine 2 and started the engine.
AldwenD 3 years ago
you realise how idiotic that sounds as a Gas turbine engine is shut off the moment you switch the Fuel flow to "Cut off", and from there even though the engine is still hot it's not blowing out air at around 300* C but now about 70-80? and without barely any thrust? you could walk behind the engine safely within about 15 seconds of shutdown.
expecting no more then the world's largest hair dryer?
stickyjeans69 3 years ago
The Guy on the Headset is asking the person near the Engine to release the Manual handle of the Start valve.Else the Engine will drive the starter & can disentegrate it.
Too bad the pushback person recording it finds it funny.
HAWK21M 4 years ago 17
too bad theres people out there sad enough to point that stuff out. but im sure everyone on youtube found your comment very helpful, thank you.
twat.
mccarkeys 4 years ago
lol, nice put down.:-)
vick912k 4 years ago
lol :)
mccarkeys 4 years ago
lol hawk21m just got shut down. :O
Briannzzz 4 years ago
wtf is the noob diong?
artos2000 5 years ago 2