a democratic way of fighting for one's rights is as well.. And I think she is doing the right thing by raising the right questions in terms of that.. But the other stuff in terms of Genocide and Muslims being in the bottom rung and free market capitalism dictating democracy although debatable is exaggeration I wud say.. India is still in the nascent stages of HDI and societal development.. We have poor and dispossessed and we want to do something about it .. That is why we have the Vijay Hazares
these backbitch left parties supported China during the 1962 India-China war,in which India lost miserably. If India has to progress these Chinese spies should bedie...
Something to take home with you guys. Ever wondered, why in West we (yes, we) have some many high opinionated politically conscious people who are individual dissenters of the wrong that the govern does while we in India have only a few who would speak their mind and dare to be on the sides of angels and be ready to pay the price? The question haunts me to this day. Anybody? What went wrong down the road that reduced us to mindless parrots?
All so disheartening to see that people miss the point. She is not saying that we should switch to socialism or communism, she is saying that we should rather try to do away with whats wrong with our form of democracy now. As other people's comments suggest that we are so much "better off" is not the point. The point is that the government is unconstitutionally undertaking a big land-grab in the Maoist areas owing to corporate interests.
After watching the 4 parts there are various things that I agree and disagree somehow I am not able to conduce a judgement in particular but she is no means a Cassandra but she does validate some serendipity that could lead us to some sort of solution to this. We cant just judge the voilence that the maoist emanate but should also consider their economic and social backgrounds that Arundati has thrown light upon.
The solutions suggested by her for Maoist problem doesn't sound convincing at all. She is like letting us the problem,however doesn't seem to have the solutions...
She has no solutions only loud excuses. Her logic is built just around human development index. Logic is shallow and flimsy - she doesn't understand the issues only cribs loudly about them. Thanks Karan for showing who this woman actually is and removing all doubt that she is just an idle idiot!
Her only excuse for shooting from her mouth is gaining popularity. Logic is shallow and flimsy - she has no solutions only loud protests. She doesn't understand the issues only cribs about them. Punish her, don't give the attention she is craving.
Although I never liked this lady, I decided to watch all 5 parts of this interview with and open unbiased mindset and so did I.
And I conclude, Arundhati is talking shit. She doesnt know what she is talking about and her several stands against BJP or Congress or Democracy is only to gain cheap publicity and stay in news.
Ask her to go home and take care of the kids. She is just emotionally driven and has no idea about politics. women cannot have a mature opinion about such issues...
Very Nice ............. Really she did a nice interview.. govrnment of India must think about it,... She not only rising her finger against government. but come with solutions and bundles of ideas.... May God give her long life...
what she say bla bla may be good on papers and even win a nobel,but these are practically not possible.she is a socialist and maoist.if we let her speak she will ruin the whole country.look west bengal all the companies are going out because of its communist policies,people are losing jobs and filly they will blame the central government or indian government.even i can speak better than her.we need practical solutions and not award winning articles.
"Military solution will destroy India" She is right. thats why Indian Army has refused to fight Moaists. They said Army is not to fight their own people.
2:24 the dumbest Q from K Thapar"do you really believe the dispossessed poor of Orrissa would be concerned about the MoU's? are they aware of them?" .This from a person who was hardly any worthy exposure to Moaist areas to a Roy who spent quite a while in Moaist areas.
and as far as Muslims are concerned, the rulings and decisions were not in the best interest of Muslims all the time but sating of BJP as anti Muslim would not be totally right, infact there are many Muslim leaders in the BJP but no Maoist in the congress.
"What the Muslims were to the BJP, the Maoists are to the Congress"
Strongly disagree, Maoism as an ideology is much different and better the way media projects it, but we can't blame media alone for it, There are some misguided Maoist (not the true Maoist) which are indulging in heinous crimes and creating civil disorder. And so its not just congress but also BJP which hates the brutal face of the fake Maoism.
she is doing this only to become famous and she is doing all this under the very blanket of democracy . if this was the case in arab country imagine at wat stage this would have been crushed.............she wont be famous if she praised india.............
So, what you're trying to say is that Ms. Roy should be so thankful to be living in a democracy that gurantees her free speach that she should watch what she says " in the interest of the nation ". Note the quotes
Rubbish!What the hell is she talking about? . She is educated but she lacks the basic sense that a Democratic Government is Superior to the Brute Socialist communism of the maoists! India Cant risk a Billion people's freedom for a mere thousand.The governmet should go ahead with its idea of Deploying Special forces from the army to counter the maoists. A battery of Bofors guns should do the job in 1 day at most!
And She says Kashmir is not a part of india!!? WTF?
You should become the PM of India, or held any other position that powers you to genocide all the tribes to end Maoism in central India!
Do u consider all those tribes as Maoists? Do u know wht the tribes hv been resenting about, non-violently by almost all of them nd later violently by few? Do u know the reason 4 the emergence of Maoism among those few of them? Can u even tell me, without searching in the web, the name of some tribes living in the forests of central India ?
I am hoping that Roy and others like her will succeed in mobilizing a grassroot movement, since congress can't be expected to leave corporate globalization. It takes much time, and an uncertain outcome, to gather people to think about the dispossessed, and to draw out a leader with the heart for the poor and the skills of a corporate CEO. Gandhian leadership in congress to take action on behalf of the poor is less likely. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for her and the poor of India.
She speaks as the mouth piece of Maoists but not not willing to take responsiblity of making them stop the attacks ! nonsense lady. Go back to your books. You are better than living in a fictional world.
Karan out often out-witted others interviews with difficult questions. But here he could not stand before the gentle but powerful and intelligent statements from arundhati roy. He is in a hurry not allowing arundhati to complete her statements in the fear that audience will hear more from her about state corruption.
Yes I agree 100 %. She is speaking from her heart. Even Karan who might be thought ( before interview ) that he will overshadow Arundhati . But it seems he also agree with her on most of the things. Great Interview.
Lets destroy Brahmanism. The Naxalites movement predated globalisation and world capitalism era (1960s), still exists today (after 1991 - neo liberalisation), the same with struggles of miniorities for more autonomy (constitutioanl change) or perhaps outright independence. so we need change from all fronts.
Hats off to Roy...truth is a bitter pill..Roy has eclipsed all so called journelists.. shook the powers that be.....roys truths are too uncomfortable for the medias...go ahead roy..we love you..keep telling truth for what it is
I find this man to be very insecure...the whole interview has been really about him trying to wage an intellectual battle with her rather than listen and focus on the issues. He really exposes himself as a fool.
This proves that nothing can work in such a hugely overpopulated country. America is a large land area, but because it isn't overpopulated; it doesn't feel the effects like India does. Communism failed in Soviet Union, Capitalism is failing in India, nothing can save India's future breakup. That is the only solution for an area full of people that have nothing in common with each other, fighting over limited 'facilities'. If they had some common language/culture, if might have been possible.
she is ideologically driven which clouds her judgement...she talks abt muslims killed 8 yrs back and sikhs killed 25 yrs back..Are sikhs and muslims targeted in everyday life ..havent the later generations forgotten or ignored such past incidents and moving towards secular and liberal society...isnt that a success of indian system and society?..I accept some of her views about environment and tribals..
As you know Arundati Roy ...& to me personally a suspicious author. She is not balanced with issues of largest united democratic country. I feel she is busted. She provoke issues and make it big attraction towards her essay writing style which any kid can write. Only difference is that she is big naughty kid and playing gimmick with words. I do not see maturity in her. India is not perfect but lot better than others. I only say if she put her true heart and love in the words she will shine
Karan Thapar is a disrepectful, untalented half-wit !
He actually unknowingly proves many of AR's points !
He makes all those faces/gestures and eyes trying to "look down upon" AR and trying to prove her as pro-violence/pro-feudalism and she passes the silly test with flying colors !!
Listen to his question.."you disagree with someone like Harsh Mander !!" OOOHHH how unholy !! and she says poinedly that Mander's point is Silly! Ha Ha Ha!!!
,,,,so basic thing is maoism will go only if govt improves its functioning and to improve it good people need to join politics ....and all this seems tall order....so lets wait and see
@godsgodzilla no.basically what she says is to satisfy the poor tribal unproductive population, we shaoul stop development and let them remain poor invariably
Well socialism and communism is out....because we know their history and exploitation as they say road to hell is paved with good intentions...... besides other part What she means to say is that misgovernance has dispossed the poor people and they have no voice to express themselves ... when living in city i am afraid to go to police station then imaginee the situation of poor tribals who live in far off jungles and have no education and do not know their rights
Her sympathy towards poor is well appreciated but her disbelief in democratic system is foolish. She thinks socialist system has more conscience where as India had 70% poverty under its socialist policies as opposed to 25% now. She talks of an utopian world which doesn't exist. India is a young democracy and its got its own problems which it is trying to resolve. India pulled out 300 million people from poverty in the last 20 years. And she wouldn't be able to speak like this if it china or pak
This reporter has gone in there with entrenched views, very poor interviewing, he could learn something is he listened, he's just gagging for his turn to talk. Prick.
@Diosibundo He is working for his money. He is paid a big fat check by a corporation which professes absolute capitalism. Unfortunately we don't have those old journalists who worked for ethics and stood up for their beliefs. Todays journalists are career professionals. They have dreams about Porches, a large flat in prime andheri, mumbai. What all we have are journalist who*res.
@Diosibundo Give me a break. At first she says that a person who has been exploited has family life ripped apart and the fact that he doesnt get any support from the govt, he has no option but to take up arms. (In a a way she has justfied the violence of Maoist). She constantly harps on that Maoist represent the exploited majority of poor. But I have been to remote parts of Bastar but this is not true. Furthermore if they have such a wide support why dont they take part a party.
@Diosibundo She is the one who is using cliche's. No doubt adivasis have genuine concern and they should get due share of the rich mineral heritage they once owned but Maoist way is not the right way. If Govt wanted they could have exterminated Maoist long time back using military might but Govt wants amicable solution to the problem thats why they offered talks. I cant not believe that she talks of MOUs and not of being a part of participative democracy.
@Diosibundo As Karan rightly points out she asks us focus on the dark side of indian democracy. Nothing in this world is devoid of dark side. . I concur with Karan that without democracy poor have been much worse than what they are. Whats more important is that she doesnt have any concrete solutions/alternatives to offer.
@Diosibundo That's because he's a mouthpiece for the corporate government. And he's owned by the fucking white jews, who should all be annihilated from this planet.
@buzzin1975 You completely undermine your credibility by making such an obviously bigoted remark about Jews. When you say such racist remarks, you not only belittle yourself, but you also undermine the very arguments that you make because people will just say "Look at this person railing about corporations. They are racists, so their point of view must be wrong and the nonracist corporations must be right."
a democratic way of fighting for one's rights is as well.. And I think she is doing the right thing by raising the right questions in terms of that.. But the other stuff in terms of Genocide and Muslims being in the bottom rung and free market capitalism dictating democracy although debatable is exaggeration I wud say.. India is still in the nascent stages of HDI and societal development.. We have poor and dispossessed and we want to do something about it .. That is why we have the Vijay Hazares
Dissmonger 8 months ago
CPI(M) = Chinese Party of India(Mao)
these backbitch left parties supported China during the 1962 India-China war,in which India lost miserably. If India has to progress these Chinese spies should bedie...
jkabc25 10 months ago
Something to take home with you guys. Ever wondered, why in West we (yes, we) have some many high opinionated politically conscious people who are individual dissenters of the wrong that the govern does while we in India have only a few who would speak their mind and dare to be on the sides of angels and be ready to pay the price? The question haunts me to this day. Anybody? What went wrong down the road that reduced us to mindless parrots?
amaan77484 11 months ago
All so disheartening to see that people miss the point. She is not saying that we should switch to socialism or communism, she is saying that we should rather try to do away with whats wrong with our form of democracy now. As other people's comments suggest that we are so much "better off" is not the point. The point is that the government is unconstitutionally undertaking a big land-grab in the Maoist areas owing to corporate interests.
bhaskarbrahma2000 11 months ago
After watching the 4 parts there are various things that I agree and disagree somehow I am not able to conduce a judgement in particular but she is no means a Cassandra but she does validate some serendipity that could lead us to some sort of solution to this. We cant just judge the voilence that the maoist emanate but should also consider their economic and social backgrounds that Arundati has thrown light upon.
barodacyril 1 year ago
The solutions suggested by her for Maoist problem doesn't sound convincing at all. She is like letting us the problem,however doesn't seem to have the solutions...
jaigmat 1 year ago
She has no solutions only loud excuses. Her logic is built just around human development index. Logic is shallow and flimsy - she doesn't understand the issues only cribs loudly about them. Thanks Karan for showing who this woman actually is and removing all doubt that she is just an idle idiot!
raviputcha 1 year ago
Her only excuse for shooting from her mouth is gaining popularity. Logic is shallow and flimsy - she has no solutions only loud protests. She doesn't understand the issues only cribs about them. Punish her, don't give the attention she is craving.
raviputcha 1 year ago
Although I never liked this lady, I decided to watch all 5 parts of this interview with and open unbiased mindset and so did I.
And I conclude, Arundhati is talking shit. She doesnt know what she is talking about and her several stands against BJP or Congress or Democracy is only to gain cheap publicity and stay in news.
diego6313 1 year ago
@diego6313
are you kidding !!!!
Both congress and BJP are scandalous and screwed the country over. Iam glad she speaking up
TheEuphony69 1 year ago
women cant even keep her saary on properly...
she is suggesting how maoists should be dealt with...
and when asked will she negotiate with maos she says no other people will do it....typical Indian armchair critic of the state...
stop your bullshit...
IdoCareForPeople 1 year ago
she is just an so called intellectual who is the mouth piece of the CPI ML.
Diliplal 1 year ago
Ask her to go home and take care of the kids. She is just emotionally driven and has no idea about politics. women cannot have a mature opinion about such issues...
sunnysahota09 1 year ago
Very Nice ............. Really she did a nice interview.. govrnment of India must think about it,... She not only rising her finger against government. but come with solutions and bundles of ideas.... May God give her long life...
yamohi 1 year ago
she is maoist
kingdomofwitches 1 year ago
what she say bla bla may be good on papers and even win a nobel,but these are practically not possible.she is a socialist and maoist.if we let her speak she will ruin the whole country.look west bengal all the companies are going out because of its communist policies,people are losing jobs and filly they will blame the central government or indian government.even i can speak better than her.we need practical solutions and not award winning articles.
kingdomofwitches 1 year ago
arundhati roy u desh dhrohi move to pakiland u dont belong in india.
pakidreamer 1 year ago
I love this woman!
She talks sense, and for a change does NOT blabber unlike all the other "guests" at his show.
zohaibshakil 1 year ago
all she can do is complain...bitchy attitude
bissousmosh 1 year ago
"Military solution will destroy India" She is right. thats why Indian Army has refused to fight Moaists. They said Army is not to fight their own people.
FransisR 1 year ago
2:24 the dumbest Q from K Thapar"do you really believe the dispossessed poor of Orrissa would be concerned about the MoU's? are they aware of them?" .This from a person who was hardly any worthy exposure to Moaist areas to a Roy who spent quite a while in Moaist areas.
FransisR 1 year ago
Wow!.... She's quite right, considering her views... Maybe that's becasue they're supported by facts and not mindless fiction.....lol
aamiramin1 1 year ago
This fellow "karan' is a stupid bastard. Arundhati is just fantastic! She is at her best if you remove this bastard "karan" out of this interview.
rnjhajha 1 year ago
are you joking :) ha ha ha.
almithra83 1 year ago
and as far as Muslims are concerned, the rulings and decisions were not in the best interest of Muslims all the time but sating of BJP as anti Muslim would not be totally right, infact there are many Muslim leaders in the BJP but no Maoist in the congress.
koolidea 1 year ago
"What the Muslims were to the BJP, the Maoists are to the Congress"
Strongly disagree, Maoism as an ideology is much different and better the way media projects it, but we can't blame media alone for it, There are some misguided Maoist (not the true Maoist) which are indulging in heinous crimes and creating civil disorder. And so its not just congress but also BJP which hates the brutal face of the fake Maoism.
koolidea 1 year ago
karan thapar idiotic comments much beneath her level
3koolforu 1 year ago
she is doing this only to become famous and she is doing all this under the very blanket of democracy . if this was the case in arab country imagine at wat stage this would have been crushed.............she wont be famous if she praised india.............
vkuchikulla 1 year ago
@vkuchikulla
So, what you're trying to say is that Ms. Roy should be so thankful to be living in a democracy that gurantees her free speach that she should watch what she says " in the interest of the nation ". Note the quotes
abhinavc 1 year ago
Rubbish!What the hell is she talking about? . She is educated but she lacks the basic sense that a Democratic Government is Superior to the Brute Socialist communism of the maoists! India Cant risk a Billion people's freedom for a mere thousand.The governmet should go ahead with its idea of Deploying Special forces from the army to counter the maoists. A battery of Bofors guns should do the job in 1 day at most!
And She says Kashmir is not a part of india!!? WTF?
charlieking100 1 year ago
@charlieking100
You should become the PM of India, or held any other position that powers you to genocide all the tribes to end Maoism in central India!
Do u consider all those tribes as Maoists? Do u know wht the tribes hv been resenting about, non-violently by almost all of them nd later violently by few? Do u know the reason 4 the emergence of Maoism among those few of them? Can u even tell me, without searching in the web, the name of some tribes living in the forests of central India ?
PistolAnna 1 year ago
I am hoping that Roy and others like her will succeed in mobilizing a grassroot movement, since congress can't be expected to leave corporate globalization. It takes much time, and an uncertain outcome, to gather people to think about the dispossessed, and to draw out a leader with the heart for the poor and the skills of a corporate CEO. Gandhian leadership in congress to take action on behalf of the poor is less likely. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for her and the poor of India.
BlueJayForest 1 year ago
Great interview.
MetaCraken 1 year ago
She speaks as the mouth piece of Maoists but not not willing to take responsiblity of making them stop the attacks ! nonsense lady. Go back to your books. You are better than living in a fictional world.
bissousmosh 1 year ago
Karan out often out-witted others interviews with difficult questions. But here he could not stand before the gentle but powerful and intelligent statements from arundhati roy. He is in a hurry not allowing arundhati to complete her statements in the fear that audience will hear more from her about state corruption.
secularvoice 1 year ago
@secularvoice
Yes I agree 100 %. She is speaking from her heart. Even Karan who might be thought ( before interview ) that he will overshadow Arundhati . But it seems he also agree with her on most of the things. Great Interview.
vishwashantiforall 1 year ago
Lets destroy Brahmanism. The Naxalites movement predated globalisation and world capitalism era (1960s), still exists today (after 1991 - neo liberalisation), the same with struggles of miniorities for more autonomy (constitutioanl change) or perhaps outright independence. so we need change from all fronts.
darbara16 1 year ago
Roy is a genius and this reporter is an a**hole. Why would he not let her speak? Very disrespectful.
badfoods 1 year ago
Hats off to Roy...truth is a bitter pill..Roy has eclipsed all so called journelists.. shook the powers that be.....roys truths are too uncomfortable for the medias...go ahead roy..we love you..keep telling truth for what it is
Sajimatthew 1 year ago
I find this man to be very insecure...the whole interview has been really about him trying to wage an intellectual battle with her rather than listen and focus on the issues. He really exposes himself as a fool.
chewbaccamac 1 year ago
This proves that nothing can work in such a hugely overpopulated country. America is a large land area, but because it isn't overpopulated; it doesn't feel the effects like India does. Communism failed in Soviet Union, Capitalism is failing in India, nothing can save India's future breakup. That is the only solution for an area full of people that have nothing in common with each other, fighting over limited 'facilities'. If they had some common language/culture, if might have been possible.
sbh02 1 year ago
she is ideologically driven which clouds her judgement...she talks abt muslims killed 8 yrs back and sikhs killed 25 yrs back..Are sikhs and muslims targeted in everyday life ..havent the later generations forgotten or ignored such past incidents and moving towards secular and liberal society...isnt that a success of indian system and society?..I accept some of her views about environment and tribals..
gpardhu 1 year ago
Sorry kkmalay... i dont agree
I think it was a well positioned talk and both the interviewer and the interviewee are to be appreciated for a healthy round of talks
abhisheksuraj 1 year ago
Wat a women dude. I dont remember thapar being made to look foolish in debate ever.
ankit0akhauri 1 year ago
As you know Arundati Roy ...& to me personally a suspicious author. She is not balanced with issues of largest united democratic country. I feel she is busted. She provoke issues and make it big attraction towards her essay writing style which any kid can write. Only difference is that she is big naughty kid and playing gimmick with words. I do not see maturity in her. India is not perfect but lot better than others. I only say if she put her true heart and love in the words she will shine
KSanth100 2 years ago
Arundhati Roy owns n00bs.
jumpnjza2 2 years ago
Karan Thapar is a disrepectful, untalented half-wit !
He actually unknowingly proves many of AR's points !
He makes all those faces/gestures and eyes trying to "look down upon" AR and trying to prove her as pro-violence/pro-feudalism and she passes the silly test with flying colors !!
Listen to his question.."you disagree with someone like Harsh Mander !!" OOOHHH how unholy !! and she says poinedly that Mander's point is Silly! Ha Ha Ha!!!
shoonnya 2 years ago
,,,,so basic thing is maoism will go only if govt improves its functioning and to improve it good people need to join politics ....and all this seems tall order....so lets wait and see
godsgodzilla 2 years ago
@godsgodzilla no.basically what she says is to satisfy the poor tribal unproductive population, we shaoul stop development and let them remain poor invariably
rodriquz 1 year ago
Well socialism and communism is out....because we know their history and exploitation as they say road to hell is paved with good intentions...... besides other part What she means to say is that misgovernance has dispossed the poor people and they have no voice to express themselves ... when living in city i am afraid to go to police station then imaginee the situation of poor tribals who live in far off jungles and have no education and do not know their rights
godsgodzilla 2 years ago
Her sympathy towards poor is well appreciated but her disbelief in democratic system is foolish. She thinks socialist system has more conscience where as India had 70% poverty under its socialist policies as opposed to 25% now. She talks of an utopian world which doesn't exist. India is a young democracy and its got its own problems which it is trying to resolve. India pulled out 300 million people from poverty in the last 20 years. And she wouldn't be able to speak like this if it china or pak
venkash 2 years ago
This reporter has gone in there with entrenched views, very poor interviewing, he could learn something is he listened, he's just gagging for his turn to talk. Prick.
kkmalay 2 years ago 7
@kkmalay
I agree completely. He's badgering her with idiotic, mindless cliches and soundbites while she's being articulate, sensitive and intelligent.
He's far, far beneth her.
Diosibundo 1 year ago 13
@Diosibundo He is working for his money. He is paid a big fat check by a corporation which professes absolute capitalism. Unfortunately we don't have those old journalists who worked for ethics and stood up for their beliefs. Todays journalists are career professionals. They have dreams about Porches, a large flat in prime andheri, mumbai. What all we have are journalist who*res.
sriluvan 1 year ago
@Diosibundo Give me a break. At first she says that a person who has been exploited has family life ripped apart and the fact that he doesnt get any support from the govt, he has no option but to take up arms. (In a a way she has justfied the violence of Maoist). She constantly harps on that Maoist represent the exploited majority of poor. But I have been to remote parts of Bastar but this is not true. Furthermore if they have such a wide support why dont they take part a party.
1rd69 1 year ago
@Diosibundo She is the one who is using cliche's. No doubt adivasis have genuine concern and they should get due share of the rich mineral heritage they once owned but Maoist way is not the right way. If Govt wanted they could have exterminated Maoist long time back using military might but Govt wants amicable solution to the problem thats why they offered talks. I cant not believe that she talks of MOUs and not of being a part of participative democracy.
1rd69 1 year ago
@Diosibundo As Karan rightly points out she asks us focus on the dark side of indian democracy. Nothing in this world is devoid of dark side. . I concur with Karan that without democracy poor have been much worse than what they are. Whats more important is that she doesnt have any concrete solutions/alternatives to offer.
1rd69 1 year ago
@Diosibundo Are you crazy? She rambles on criticizing everything & offers no solution. Let her sit on an island and live out her delusional whims.
ganeshiyer27 1 year ago
@Diosibundo That's because he's a mouthpiece for the corporate government. And he's owned by the fucking white jews, who should all be annihilated from this planet.
buzzin1975 10 months ago
@buzzin1975 You completely undermine your credibility by making such an obviously bigoted remark about Jews. When you say such racist remarks, you not only belittle yourself, but you also undermine the very arguments that you make because people will just say "Look at this person railing about corporations. They are racists, so their point of view must be wrong and the nonracist corporations must be right."
GreggTheEgg 10 months ago
test
suryak76 1 year ago
its all a political game, don't u fall into the trap dear Ms roy.
karthik876 2 years ago 3
"What the Muslims were to the BJP, the Maoists are to the Congress" !
bdvzim 2 years ago 20
@bdvzim so its not true? come on .
radiolaugh 1 year ago