Alan Dershowitz vs. Jeremy Ben-Ami American Foreign Policy and Israel

[LeonardMichaelis]

Way to go J Street !!! Realistic approach, the only way possible.

[TheRealEmet]

BUILD! BUILD! BUILD! TWO THUMBS UP FOR ZIONISM! PALESTINIANS HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE GENOCIDAL ASPIRATIONS OF THEIR LEADERS STARTING WITH HAJJ HUSSEINI'S UNWILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT ISRAEL AND SEVERAL ILLEGAL WARS INITIATED BY ARAB AGGRESSORS. TERRORISM MUSTN'T GO UNPUNISHED. PALESTINIAN ARABS ARE MORE THAN CANNON FODDER, BUT THE REST OF THE ARAB WORLD DOES NOT SEE THINGS THAT WAY. TRULY TRAGIC!

[Javeho]

@TheRealEmet Well... here's a stance with no realistic future...

[Dannyboy855]

". The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times"

-Avi Shlaim ( respected israeli & jewish reporter)

[modelfan1979]

This is funny. Both Ben Ami and Dershowitz are deluded liberal fools. The fact of the matter is the conflict is not about land or establishing a "Palestinian state." Or about any rights for the so-called Palestinian people.

It is about Muslims wanting to exterminate every last Jew everywhere. And then go on to kill all Chrisitans. All in the name of Jihad.

[LuckyTHlRT33N]

Funny, how do you have a debate between two left wing liberals, that both want a Palestinian state. You can't have a debate between two people that agree with each other, it's ludicrous.

[modelfan1979]

@LuckyTHlRT33N You are right. They are both deluded fools.

Dershowitz prides himself on being a defender of human rights. But what about the rights of Jews to live in cities such as Hebron and Gush Etzion? Why is it acceptable to discriminate against Jews Mr. Dershowitz? We discriminate against Jews today, what is next tomorrow? Some racists hate Blacks such as myself. Should I be forced to leave my home?

[mobobilly]

these two are a real peace of work.what a couple of forked tonged liers. Hey you like to back up invaders and lie for the usa..your a member of the baby killing club hey. you love to act like you care

[OrthodoxDarwinist]

Here is Alan Dershowitz the Zionist clown arguing that torture should be legalized:

"The treaties against all forms of torture must begin to recognize differences in degree among varying forms of rough interrogation, ranging from trickery and humiliation, on the one hand, to lethal torture on the other."

Anyone who supports this monster is clearly morally degenerate.

[JohnnyRock2000]

2 clowns - Dershowitz, a rabid zionist, Spitzer - an outed corrupt politian. Both esteemed by Jews.

[abe0101]

i like this jeremy ben ami guy... he is an honest guy and for peace. this dershowitz is nothing but a vulgar propagandist,, he has been exposed too many times. if anyone has read any of his books on this conflict, and understands historiography and know anything about credible sources to write a book, then you would know dershowitz is a joke and a ruthless thug.

[LuckyTHlRT33N]

@abe0101 actually ami is a pro-Palestinian hack supported by global socialist George Soros, oh but I forgot the socialism in National Socialism, that you Nazis love.

[abe0101]

@LuckyTHlRT33N I would expect that from a zionist thugs like you. Socialism is different than Nazi ideology you moron! How the hell can you link them both together? linking socialism and nazism? unbelievable! This is why the world hates you zionists, all you do is lie to get what you want. George soros is the man and money is what pushes agendas and makes this world go round. Worry away, good people around this globe like soros is putting his money for the people and humanity. gave over!

[LuckyTHlRT33N]

@abe0101 What didn't you get when I said National Socialism(Nazism), you should educate yourself.

From wikipedia (you could find the same in any serious reference): Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism. The Nazis declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.

[abe0101]

@LuckyTHlRT33N It is hard to reply to someone like yourself without wanting to curse you out. I can't believe you don't get the most simplest things. Socialism in its pure form is entirely different than national socialism, like the Nazi's wanted. How could you even compare the two? Cuba employes a form of socialism, are they nazis? I understand your intentions when you say ridiculous things like that and I can tell that individuals like yourself never change- dedicated liars and propagandists

[PeaceandUnity1972]

@abe0101 YOU GO ABE!!! THUMBS UP FOR THE TRUTH!!

[abe0101]

@PeaceandUnity1972 These zionists are pathetic liars! Without a gun, support from the U.S. hijacked zionist government, they are pus****! that simple, in fact when they come to america they dont dare stand up to an arab or a muslim- because they know if on fair grounds they will get knocked the fuk out or killed in a fair fight. That is the history of Zionists jews- a hijacking of real judiasm and its identity turned into a supremacist gang like people. I'd be more than happy to break one.

[LuckyTHlRT33N]

@abe0101 The Cuban Marxists that propagated the Cuban "revolution" may not have been Nazi's, but they were still murderous thugs all the same, who killed many people in the name of marxism.

[abe0101]

@LuckyTHlRT33N may not have been Nazis? you see you just contradicted yourself. You just proved yourself wrong yet you want to connect dots that are not there you moron!!! you just proven yourself wrong...Thank you.. so why did you do that? are you one of those paranoid jewish zoinists that make trouble from themselves because you cant put things in perspective? Listen every single ideology or belief system utilizes violence either for justification or for aggression- proven-capitalism too!

[LuckyTHlRT33N]

@abe0101 how did I contradict myself? You were using Cubans as evidence of socialist who are not NAZIs, I said they weren't NAZIs, never did I say that all Socialists are NAZIs,in my original comment, I was calling you a NAZI. Regardless of whether you support the ideals of socialism or progressivism, you are definitely an Anti-Semite, and it's clear from your comments that you harbor a hatred for Jewish people,something that you and the NAZIs definitely have in common.

[abe0101]

@LuckyTHlRT33N You are a dedicated liar. I have jewish friends who hate zionism--so do I. Nothing wrong with that and it is not anti semitic to hate zionists because i have israeli friends who have abandoned zionism and told the truth about it. you call me a Nazi? You are a moron, I never killed anyone in my life or admire anything about nazism... all you can do is try to silence people with name bashing and fear like most pathetic zionists. stfu and grow up you ignorant propagandist.

[abe0101]

@LuckyTHlRT33N you been exposed...any time you tell a racist Israeli or a Jewish Zionist about all the crimes Israel has committed against the Palestinians, like killing their women and children, stealing their land, poisoning their waters so they cant produce, bull dozing their houses, militarily occupying them and then spitting on them and humiliating them during checkpoints (all footage that I have seen by the way by Israeli anti zionist human rights watch) they label one an anti Semite.

[LuckyTHlRT33N]

George Soros is putting his money away for the CONTROL of the people and the SUBJUGATION of humanity.

I fixed your last sentence for you.

[abe0101]

@LuckyTHlRT33N Do you want to feel good about yourself? lol you really are changing the world via youtube. good for you. You have your opinion and I have mine. Personally I can care less about soros, but I will not be silent of crimes the Israel government commits on a dialy basis on the palestinians. Israeli settlements are illegal! you cant defend that in your wildest dreams! shooting kids in the streets are illegal! you cant defend that with your life. stealing land, ethnic cleansing?

[abe0101]

@LuckyTHlRT33N I met people like you, you turn a blind eye to the misery and killing that Israeli commits against the palestinians- whether it is stealing their land, bull dozing their houses, illegal settlements, poisoning the waters to prevent palestinians from producing kids, dropping white phosphorus for crying out loud on safety shelters where palestinian women and children were hiding during the Gaza assault (unexcusable to the 100th power), shall I go on? Ya turn a blind eye you pig!

[LuckyTHlRT33N]

@abe0101 Your first reply is actually a part of good debate, but your second, you resort to name calling, but what can I expect from a terrorist dog.

[abe0101]

@LuckyTHlRT33N And you still did not address the issues i brought up- ethnic cleansing of paletinians, the illegal settlement buildings, the shooting of little kids, stealing of land - all tactics to convince the palestinians to leave their native land so Israelis can expand. Looks like the Israelis got on the boat of colonialism a bit too late in history for them to pass it up as anything else. Again, I am sure you will dodge these undeniable crimes, which most Jewish Zionists like to do.

[devrimhan1971]

i hate dershowitz penetrat voice

[lukekendall]

this is an issue of autonomy... the little differences make a big difference... the difference between libertarianism and anarchism, the difference between most political parties (between the republicans and the democrats are not infact huge, but america wouldn't be able to keep a straight face in describing itself as a 'democracy' if the two parties united into one to "present a strong united voice" to the people (or congress, lol)...)

i think most people crave more choice, rather than less....

[lukekendall]

it's very telling of dershowitz when he talks about the levels of 'bad':

"bad

very bad

very very bad

horrendous

and unacceptable"

he describes a nuclear attack on iran as 'horrendous', i'm gonna assume that by the fact that he describes (in the levels of 'bad') 'horrendous' as a level up from unacceptable, that he believes a nuclear attack is 'acceptable'! (06:10mins - 06:27mins)

[bannnjac33]

@lukekendall that is exactly what he wanted to say there!

[JohnnyRock2000]

@lukekendall - Yes. It is the nature of his deceit. He could argue that an issue is very, very bad one night and the next night argue that the issue is totally acceptable. So a very bad decision on Monday is totally acceptable on Tuesday. Plain and simple deceit.

[CARSONB43]

Alan Dershowitz ugh..........

[channa718]

Wow, this is big hypocrisy this pseudo debate....

Mr Dershowitz is so dishonest, he only repeating the same false arguments all over the place for years....Israel is the most gentle country on earth, and palestinians are stupid savages...

The truth is more simple : there are the occupiers and the occupied.

Israel is a colonial state who try to disguise his reals goals behind playing the victim....

Sooner or later, Truth prevails, always. ALWAYS.

[chris2002Rocklin]

@channa718 2/3

When you can explain militant Islam, and the fact that there is no pretense of rule-of-law (which is required before any hope that a peace agreement is even possible, since some law-breaker will always play the role of continuing the war on behalf of PLO et al) among the Palestinians, I say that Israel needs to return to the assumption that no legitimate state exists, and no legitimate body has the ability to commit this supposed nation to peace with Israel.

[chris2002Rocklin]

@channa718 3/3

In addition, it should set about to encourage (and limit to) individual claims from those who say they were hurt, and seek justice through that route, knowing that  no state is ever likely to emerge to protect the rights of those who think they need the PLO, Hamas, Fatah et al.

[kissfan7]

Pet peeve: people need to stop clapping so much at public debates like this. This is a discussion, not a football game. Not only does it disturb the speakers and the audience, but when you're cheering one side and booing the other you're not leaving yourself open to new ideas. It's expecially annoying in this discussion, where the two speakers really have few differences.

[ShlomoBarak]

what an end for dershowtiz

he is a talented speaker for israel.

he moves us to tears

[Ydefinity]

@ShlomoBarak Israelis are really moved to tears by this hack?

[ShlomoBarak]

palestinians and israelis are like two kids without supervision. they need a mama to slap them in the face and say enough is enough. the us needs to threat and enforce otherwise there will never be peace.

[cb44ever]

sincereradical neither of whom you spoke have any real swey they ar not any type of real holocaust historians they are just denyers and finkelstein nothing happened except to my family come onjackass why did noone ever want him on tenure til he wrote something of such nature ya a deushe

[sincereradical]

The Arab racism is disgusting. The head scholar on Israels crimes is Norman Finkelstein, whos findings are supported by Raul Hilberg, the top Holocaust historian. Also, the crimes of Israel expulsion of the Palestinians are by Benny Morris, the top Israeli historian. Right wing Zionism is as bad as naziism.

[ImNeilPatrickHarris]

@sincereradical

lumping benny morris with normal finkelstein is disgusting. you know nothing about nazism.

holocaust denier. 

[RobGoth100]

Three liberals is the 92ndStreetY idea of a "fair" debate,

[marzutraII]

Rogues like J Street need to be ostracized and excommunicated from the Jewish community.

[glocker8888]

Who cares what that filthy pervert Spitzer has to say?

[humsa5]

Both of them are two self hating bleeding heart liberal Jews.... They are going to destroy Israel. They are seld destructive and sympathizie with animal terroristas that want nothing than to destroy Israel... if they both read the Torah they would see that God GAVE THE LAND OF CANAAN INCLUDING THE GAZA STRIP to the Jews in Israel not those muslim hating people.

[leubitz]

wow jeremey sounded like a novice

[asaif10]

Great Job Jeremy !! If anyone sounded paranoid and delusional, it was Dershowitz. Your organization, J Street, has obviously been tremendously successful, and influential; and this success was evidenced by Deshowitz's hysterics and conciliatory behavior. I am sure you know that he is "a wolf, dressed in sheep's skin" and I would urge you not to dilute your voice, and influence by joining hands with AIPAC.

Again, keep up the good work; and we will keep the donations coming in.

[LuckyTHlRT33N]

@asaif10 J-street is a socialist pro-Palestinian front group funded by George Soros, if anything it is not for the advancement of the Jewish people.

[focustnv]

Koran does not mention Jerusalem once. The Torah mentions Jerusalem 823 times.

56 conquered ISLAMIC countries in the world today.all are oppressive and intolerant

Muslims reign supreme as colonizers, aggressors and terrorists.

Its not about. land. Or. water ..Or.. oil - its about JIHAD.

[israel5749]

I think it's pretty clear that J Street's positions are in accordance with most of the Jewish Left. Since dissent within AIPAC has not produced any policy change on settlements and the status of Jerusalem, J Street's existence is crucial to give the progressive Jewish majority an avenue to advocate for the comprehensive two-state solution that it truly desires.

[cat00012000]

Israel doesn't want anyone else to have the bomb. Why do they get to have it and no one else? Want to know one reason 9/11 happened? It's right here. But now I'm being racist. Aren't I? Maybe if more american jews lived in Israel it would be a more moderate place. Instead they live here and applaud the killing from a distance. I have to admit the unfairness of Israel disgusts me. I cheered for Israel back in the sixties. Now I can't stand it. Jews used to be democrats. Now they're republicans.

[dominice112]

By all means.. the right to question anything in Israel at any level has been forfeited by the US government when they recognized Israel as a sovereign country without any stated borders. That, by definition, is handing out a cart blanche.

The non-compromising attitude that the US and Israel showed towards any resolutions to any problem at any level have been and still is destructive.

That said, your reaction towards having nuclear capabilities translates towards action, and something passive.