Sorry... Mormans are not Christians. What joins Christians together is their belief that Christ was God made flesh and their acceptanceThe Bible is always right to Christians ie NOT the book of Morman,. Mormans may call themselves the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints but they follow a false profit (J. Smith) as defined by the bible. .Christians (whatever the denomination) are completely a separate group from Mormans or Jehovah's Witnesses. They have fundamentally different beliefs
@SlavsForJesus No, the Catholic church IS heresy: she is the whore of Babylon, mentioned in Revelation 17. Next to that, the Book of Mormon reveals her to be a satanic cult. You're in no position to lecture me when you're defending a satanic cult
"The Bible is the only word of God" is the motto that was used by those who wanted to have Galileo burned at the stake when he said the earth revolves around the sun. The reason you're defending that motto is because you're as evil as they were
@SlavsForJesus Mormonism doesn't exist. Its name is "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". "Mormons" & "Mormonism" are just slang coined by people like you, who want all Christians and all the saints of God exterminated from the face of the earth. And if Mormonism is damnable heresy, maybe you can tell me why most Latter-day Saints experience Heaven at death. The video "The Case Of Betty Eadie: A True Story - part 1 of 3" speaks for itself
@SlavsForJesus 1. If you tell me that it was the Lord who told you what you just said, then I'm challenging you and calling you a liar. 2. Show where He said in the bible that the bible was his only word. 3. It was men who declared the bible was the only word of God, not the Lord himself: since you're stupid enough to believe man-made superstitions insted of relying on God, I don't see the point of arguing with you. 3. Who are you to prohibit God to have a wife?
Impressive, but can they say it if they slow down and breathe? Do they have the slightest clue what they are say (what it means)? Keep up the good work.
Your 66-book canon of Scripture is not based on the Bible. Nowhere does the Bible tell you which books belong in Scripture, and which ones don't.
The Nicene Creed was written in the 4th century, about the same time the Church finally came to agreement about the 27-book contents of the New Testament canon. If you do not believe they were accurate when they came up with the Creed, then why do you think they were accurate when they came up with the Canon?
biblelighthouse, granting the 72 books of the Catholic canon the Nicene Creed is still not supported by the scriptures. My point is that 4th century Trinitarianism doesn't accurately reflect the earliest Christian beliefs.
I do not grant the Roman Catholic Canon. I grant the Orthodox Canon.
4th Century Trinitarianism reflects the earliest Christian beliefs. If you are not Trinitarian, then you are not Christian.
It is irrelevant whether or not the Trinity can be "proven" from Scripture. The Church is the Authority. Some Tradition is written (Scripture), and some Tradition is unwritten (oral).
The Church told you which books are Scripture. The Church also wrote the Nicene Creed. Both are authoritative.
Matthew 28:18-19(King James Version) 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy [Spirit]:
Note: I changed one word, "Ghost" to "Spirit", it's just a translation I prefer. But the idea remains the same.
Matthew 28:18-19 does not prove the doctrine of the Trinity. Even Mormons believe there is a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, yet they do not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. They do not believe that there is only one God, rather than many gods.
The Holy Spirit revealed the doctrine of the Trinity to the Church. Thus we are correct to interpret the Bible in a Trinitarian way. The Nicene Creed says there is only "one God", and yet that this one God consists of Three Persons. Trinity.
Ok, interesting point. I'm no theologian and really don't have enough knowledge to argue one way or the other. But doesn't John 1:1 at least point to Christ being God. hmmm maybe it doesn't show they are one....
No matter. I recite the Creed at least once a day. I understand what it means. I believe what it means. I am a simple person, but no brilliance of eloquence could sway me from my beliefs.
I agree with you that the Nicene Creed is true. You and I both believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. I agree with you that no brilliance of eloquence should be able to sway us from our beliefs.
I was just pointing out that we believe in the doctrine of the Trinity on the basis of the Church's authority, not on the basis of our own personal interpretations of Scripture.
I get it, your on my side, and obviously a little more well read than me. My first quote was actually from an article titled "The Historical Setting of the Creed" written by Justin Priestmonk. I assume he is from Holy Transfiguration Monastery as the article comes from the publication "The True Vine" (Issue Number 15 v4 no. 3) So basically not my interpretation.
The second quote I had no business attempting as I am not qualified.
You say "...we believe in the doctrine of the Trinity on the basis of the Church's authority, not on the basis of our own personal interpretations of Scripture." I say: well said.
The point I so poorly made, Fr. Justin makes better: "As all councils [the "Church's authority"] may be traced to the council of the Apostles set forth in the fifteenth chapter of Acts, so it may be said that all creeds derive from the Commission of Christ to His Apostles," then he quotes and cites Matt. 28:19.
Mormons DO believe in the Holy Trinity. The first "article of faith" of their Church is "We believe in God the Eternal Father, in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost." They believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are 3 persons, but that they are ONE in heart, mind and purpose. Jesus is not God but the Son of God: otherwise, He wouldn't have prayed to God during his earthly lifetime. It was the 1st Council of Nicea that made up the Nicene Creed,but that Creed is totally unbiblical
@clarkbailey1973 Mormonism is NOT another gospel: Islam is. It was Satan who appeared to Muhammad as the angel Gabriel
Another gospel than the one taught in the New Testament would NEVER teach you that Jesus is divine: the Koran prohibits you to believ that Jesus is the Son of God
Moroni never gave another gospel than a book confirming that Jesus is the Son of God, the Creator of the world, the light and life of the world, and the only true way
@lolitaphile I'll agree Islam is another gospel that is false. How about you read the Book Of Mormon, and get back to me on whether or not that it's another Gospel.
@clarkbailey1973 Okay, let me quote you a passage from it: "Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beinning..."
Very cute. And you had me til the addition of the filioque "who proceedeth from the Father AND THE SON". May God guide to to the truth on this matter.
Thank you for catching that. We are Orthodox now, so we obviously need to go back and redo it. Indeed, the filioque is not an original part of the Creed, and does not belong there!
Good I have to memorize this at school the new one
skullerman2 1 week ago
Great! My kids were also taught to recite the Creed by memory at age 4!!! For all adults that say it is hard to memorize!!!! Glory to our Lord.
stavrob1 4 months ago
Sorry... Mormans are not Christians. What joins Christians together is their belief that Christ was God made flesh and their acceptanceThe Bible is always right to Christians ie NOT the book of Morman,. Mormans may call themselves the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints but they follow a false profit (J. Smith) as defined by the bible. .Christians (whatever the denomination) are completely a separate group from Mormans or Jehovah's Witnesses. They have fundamentally different beliefs
jaydalady 9 months ago
wow what a memory
MADDOGMINATTI 10 months ago
@SlavsForJesus No, the Catholic church IS heresy: she is the whore of Babylon, mentioned in Revelation 17. Next to that, the Book of Mormon reveals her to be a satanic cult. You're in no position to lecture me when you're defending a satanic cult
"The Bible is the only word of God" is the motto that was used by those who wanted to have Galileo burned at the stake when he said the earth revolves around the sun. The reason you're defending that motto is because you're as evil as they were
lolitaphile 11 months ago
@SlavsForJesus Mormonism doesn't exist. Its name is "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". "Mormons" & "Mormonism" are just slang coined by people like you, who want all Christians and all the saints of God exterminated from the face of the earth. And if Mormonism is damnable heresy, maybe you can tell me why most Latter-day Saints experience Heaven at death. The video "The Case Of Betty Eadie: A True Story - part 1 of 3" speaks for itself
TrueAndFalseNDEs 11 months ago
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TrueAndFalseNDEs 11 months ago
@SlavsForJesus 1. If you tell me that it was the Lord who told you what you just said, then I'm challenging you and calling you a liar. 2. Show where He said in the bible that the bible was his only word. 3. It was men who declared the bible was the only word of God, not the Lord himself: since you're stupid enough to believe man-made superstitions insted of relying on God, I don't see the point of arguing with you. 3. Who are you to prohibit God to have a wife?
lolitaphile 11 months ago
Impressive, but can they say it if they slow down and breathe? Do they have the slightest clue what they are say (what it means)? Keep up the good work.
NicoleGray11 1 year ago
I have 3 questions for you.
1. Do you believe what Jesus said in John 14:11?
2. Do you believe Jesus is the Father?
3. Do you believe GOD is all wise and gave us the bible to teach us?
markpaghi 1 year ago
God bless their parents!
onefriendforyoutoday 1 year ago
Kids sound annoying. And they said the filioque :/
christiansofamerica 1 year ago
beautiful god bless
oddydoom3 2 years ago
It's cute but the Nicene Creed is not based on the bible.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
Your 66-book canon of Scripture is not based on the Bible. Nowhere does the Bible tell you which books belong in Scripture, and which ones don't.
The Nicene Creed was written in the 4th century, about the same time the Church finally came to agreement about the 27-book contents of the New Testament canon. If you do not believe they were accurate when they came up with the Creed, then why do you think they were accurate when they came up with the Canon?
biblelighthouse 2 years ago
biblelighthouse, granting the 72 books of the Catholic canon the Nicene Creed is still not supported by the scriptures. My point is that 4th century Trinitarianism doesn't accurately reflect the earliest Christian beliefs.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
I do not grant the Roman Catholic Canon. I grant the Orthodox Canon.
4th Century Trinitarianism reflects the earliest Christian beliefs. If you are not Trinitarian, then you are not Christian.
It is irrelevant whether or not the Trinity can be "proven" from Scripture. The Church is the Authority. Some Tradition is written (Scripture), and some Tradition is unwritten (oral).
The Church told you which books are Scripture. The Church also wrote the Nicene Creed. Both are authoritative.
biblelighthouse 2 years ago
@biblelighthouse Amen, but the Trinity is proven by Scripture as well as by creeds and councils.
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
Matthew 28:18-19(King James Version) 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy [Spirit]:
Note: I changed one word, "Ghost" to "Spirit", it's just a translation I prefer. But the idea remains the same.
DaniLeia3 2 years ago
Matthew 28:18-19 does not prove the doctrine of the Trinity. Even Mormons believe there is a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, yet they do not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. They do not believe that there is only one God, rather than many gods.
The Holy Spirit revealed the doctrine of the Trinity to the Church. Thus we are correct to interpret the Bible in a Trinitarian way. The Nicene Creed says there is only "one God", and yet that this one God consists of Three Persons. Trinity.
biblelighthouse 2 years ago
Ok, interesting point. I'm no theologian and really don't have enough knowledge to argue one way or the other. But doesn't John 1:1 at least point to Christ being God. hmmm maybe it doesn't show they are one....
No matter. I recite the Creed at least once a day. I understand what it means. I believe what it means. I am a simple person, but no brilliance of eloquence could sway me from my beliefs.
Thank you for the interesting discussion. ;)
DaniLeia3 2 years ago
I agree with you that the Nicene Creed is true. You and I both believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. I agree with you that no brilliance of eloquence should be able to sway us from our beliefs.
I was just pointing out that we believe in the doctrine of the Trinity on the basis of the Church's authority, not on the basis of our own personal interpretations of Scripture.
biblelighthouse 2 years ago
I get it, your on my side, and obviously a little more well read than me. My first quote was actually from an article titled "The Historical Setting of the Creed" written by Justin Priestmonk. I assume he is from Holy Transfiguration Monastery as the article comes from the publication "The True Vine" (Issue Number 15 v4 no. 3) So basically not my interpretation.
The second quote I had no business attempting as I am not qualified.
DaniLeia3 2 years ago
You say "...we believe in the doctrine of the Trinity on the basis of the Church's authority, not on the basis of our own personal interpretations of Scripture." I say: well said.
The point I so poorly made, Fr. Justin makes better: "As all councils [the "Church's authority"] may be traced to the council of the Apostles set forth in the fifteenth chapter of Acts, so it may be said that all creeds derive from the Commission of Christ to His Apostles," then he quotes and cites Matt. 28:19.
DaniLeia3 2 years ago
Mormons DO believe in the Holy Trinity. The first "article of faith" of their Church is "We believe in God the Eternal Father, in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost." They believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are 3 persons, but that they are ONE in heart, mind and purpose. Jesus is not God but the Son of God: otherwise, He wouldn't have prayed to God during his earthly lifetime. It was the 1st Council of Nicea that made up the Nicene Creed,but that Creed is totally unbiblical
lolitaphile 1 year ago
@lolitaphile if another Gospel comes even from an angel don't you believe it, Moroni
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
@clarkbailey1973 Mormonism is NOT another gospel: Islam is. It was Satan who appeared to Muhammad as the angel Gabriel
Another gospel than the one taught in the New Testament would NEVER teach you that Jesus is divine: the Koran prohibits you to believ that Jesus is the Son of God
Moroni never gave another gospel than a book confirming that Jesus is the Son of God, the Creator of the world, the light and life of the world, and the only true way
lolitaphile 1 year ago
@lolitaphile I'll agree Islam is another gospel that is false. How about you read the Book Of Mormon, and get back to me on whether or not that it's another Gospel.
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
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@clarkbailey1973 Okay, let me quote you a passage from it: "Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beinning..."
lolitaphile 1 year ago
Very cute. And you had me til the addition of the filioque "who proceedeth from the Father AND THE SON". May God guide to to the truth on this matter.
DaniLeia3 2 years ago
Thank you for catching that. We are Orthodox now, so we obviously need to go back and redo it. Indeed, the filioque is not an original part of the Creed, and does not belong there!
biblelighthouse 2 years ago
Glory be to God! I would love to see their recitation of the correct Creed. Forgive me, just a small question: what synod did you find?
DaniLeia3 2 years ago
Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America.
biblelighthouse 2 years ago
What brought you to Orthodoxy?
DaniLeia3 2 years ago
Ok , I know I keep sayin' WOW but I can't help it they are Great!!!!!
chruchgirll 2 years ago