one simple reason why the atari jaguar failed,was becouse it was simply never designed for true 3d graphics,it had no hardware for it,instead 3d graphics had to be done in software,but since the console was released way toooo early no game developer was ready to make 3d games,they just simply dit,nt had the software for it,also taking full advantage of the console was a huge challange.
when developers were finaly ready for 3d in 1995,the atari jaguar was allready doomed!!!!
Great overview so far. I love my Jaguar. It's been hooked up nearly constantly since I bought it at clearence at K.B. Toys for $39. I like playing Cybermorph, but only because I finally got good enough so that I I never hear "where did YOU learn to fly?' anymore.
Because graphics aren't purely a matter of technical power. A lot of it has to do with good artists, good engine design, and so on. Particularly when you're comparing 2D games. But even fairly recently in the 3D era this has been true
There are some truly spectacular looking PS2 games that look better than most other games of the time frame, despite the fact that the GameCube/Xbox are much more powerful systems
Often, who makes a game is more important than what it was made for
@pqwilrj IIRC, the main process in the jaguar was the Motorola 68K which is a 16 bit processor. They managed to come up with "64-bit" using some totally invalid additive measure... they added up the "bits" of the main, graphics, sound, and other processor... I think there were 4 different processors doing different things that were 16 bit so they called it 64. Someone correct me if I'm remembering this incorrectly... I guess I could just google it ;)
@boxerjoey38 Iron solider, Iron soldier 2, AVP, Tempest2k, Wolfenstein3D, Doom, Ultra Vortec, Dino dudes, ummm RayMan, Theres a channel Biffsgammingvideos that has like every possible to find game,
id say go there and view the videos for games that seem interesting to you
Star Fox is a total esthetics thing, cybermorph uses those gawdy colors and balck background (on early levels at least), I'd assume the colors would be trying to create a fantacy type environment, but they really are ugly.
But cybermorph is far more colorful, way more colors on screen (star fox uses 16-colors for the entire polygon layer -albeit modifies the palette and uses dynamic dithering to optimize for this) and awesoem gouraud shading. Framerate is definitely a lot lower on Star Fox.
So its the simplistic gameplay (fast paced rail shooter) great game design (and music) plus very optimized graphics that make Star Fox what it is. (soem people find the framerate unplayable though, I do not though -whien it slows to like 6 fps it's annoying though)
But way fewer polygons on screen, shorter draw distance, low framerate (15 fps max) tons of dithering etc. Maybe Atari should have opted for a rail shooter. (or a full on space sim like X-Wing on PC at the time)
we are even faked by nintendo, yes i 1# tout snes can only pholyfony sound, but when i first heard the music in donkeykong country i tout the snes was technically cd quality capable,even in the magazines and guy from nintendo told me the snes could handle cd quality sound.
even batman forever and return of the joker was stated to have cd quality sound,what a lie!!!!!
oke our limmited ears will maybe percieve it as c quality,richt?
nope, NES is a good bit short of that, it;s 16-bit resolution like CD, but compressed (ADPCM) not raw PCM like CD, and limited to 32 kHz max (opposed to 44.1 KHz CDDA), though samples are often far less than that. Then there's the forced interpolation and filtering, somewhat necessary to remove artifacts from low sample-rate playback, but being forced removes any possible crispness of high-sample rate playback.
I just got to say, These reviews have inspired me 100% to get a jaguar (I got it for a good price with AVP and Iron soldier) so thank you and your really good at reviewing.
Great job on the video! Nice to hear your opinions.
I was the same as you... I could care less about anything Atari released at this point and had no interest in owning one. Nor did I know anyone who owned one.
I wound up buying one a few years ago for my retro collection, but that is just for collecting purposes.
This console has got to be one of the worst ever. The controller is just god awful, mostly horrible games, I could go on and on...
I don't know about the main tournament mode but in the unfriendlies there's a team select screen. You just cycle through all the human teams before you get to the lizardmen, goats and rhinos.
I don't think they ever released a japanese jaguar, they made a PAL version though. Plus, the Jaguar was actually made in America, probably the reason why there is no Japanese equivalent.
I just got a Jaguar from ebay with CM,T2000,and AVP!
I really thought it wasnt that bad. I acually liked the graphfics of AvP! And yeah, when I first saw the back of my Jaguar, I was like HOLY SHIT! But I found out later it was nothin.
Wow, you had some bad luck as a kid, huh? Getting the Sega Nomad and discovering the joys of non-portability and lacking battery life, and getting an Atari Jaguar only to discover that it's an Atari Jaguar?
I asked for the Jaguar for Christmas, so I don't know if that's bad luck. But yeah, heh.
I did have a Game Gear. It's the only system of any kind I've ever sold. Guess what other (better) portable I bought with the money?
As far as bad luck.. What was a much bigger waste of time is my Jaguar CD. That's my personal vote for worst system (if an expansion counts as a system) of all-time - definitely the worst one I have owned, anyway.
I might do a review of it later - mine still works!
I'm just trying to find more games for it. There's only about a dozen or so titles, and I have four of them. I'd like to get at least 8 or 9 titles, then I'll make a review of it.
Highlander for Jag CD is probably the most broken and borderline unplayable game I have for a console.
Agreed, I have 9 of the 13 original Jaguar CD releases and they are horrible. Highlander is an absolute disgrace, and is miserably tough to play. But Battlemorph, Primal Rage, and Dragon's Lair are good titles. I wish I could get a copy of Braindead 13 though.
It only has about a dozen games for a start. Second, it's very unreliable. Third, even of those dozen games, several of them are REALLY BAD or ports from other systems. And fourth, it's ugly.
Try to hunt down the six-button "Pro Controller" there quite cheap and are much nicer and easier to use than the standard controller, especially with FPS'.
Now this is good review made by a lesser known dude. Great job, dude. The amount of horrible "retrospectives" is just mindblowing but diamonds in the rough like these ones are always appreshed.
Great review. Probably one of the best I've seen on Youtube. My only critique is that there is a slight buzzing noise in the background, but it's not really much. Five stars.
And yeah, it was something wrong with my microphone. I tried noise eliminating it, but this was the best I could get. I have a new, much better one now, so hopefully my next reviews will sound better.
Great reviews, i got a Jaguar with cd drive and some games a few years ago, but traded it for something else, i wish now if kept it, for alien versus predator, and some others.
Nice! Very Nice! If you get a chance, Grab Tempest 2000, Defender 2000 & I might add that Kasumi ninja is one of the Goryest games i've ever played! Would LOVE a review of those. But thanks for all the effort dude. Nice one.
Nice man.
m15granger 1 month ago
one simple reason why the atari jaguar failed,was becouse it was simply never designed for true 3d graphics,it had no hardware for it,instead 3d graphics had to be done in software,but since the console was released way toooo early no game developer was ready to make 3d games,they just simply dit,nt had the software for it,also taking full advantage of the console was a huge challange.
when developers were finaly ready for 3d in 1995,the atari jaguar was allready doomed!!!!
johneymute 3 months ago
I like all these vintage niche consoles. The only one I ever owned as a kid was Panasonic 3DO which was pretty cool
TurboFuss1 3 months ago
I loved cyber morph! Dino dudes was awesome too!
coolass222 4 months ago
i think i am the only one liking the jag controller. it is infact my favourite! i like it better than the xbox 360 and ps3... i know...
HerrGubba 8 months ago
Atari can never get out of the 2600 era they can not even make a 64 bit system like the n64!
ColassalNegativity 8 months ago
nice lol
zp3gamemaster123 9 months ago
jaguar sucks u ppl clearly have not watched taco man reviews for tht sht
billyhatcheradvdx 10 months ago
avgn said to skylar in his jaguar video "WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO BE AN ASSHOLE!" whatch his jaguar video its funny
fredjerk69 11 months ago
@jowrab
I might, but I don't have 'em. Can't review what I don't own.
lartrak 1 year ago
By the way, the light on mine is green. Was that the case for all PAL Jags?
liamh1982 1 year ago
Watch those edges, they're sharp! I can confidently say that as one of the three people in the UK who seems to own a Jaguar.
liamh1982 1 year ago
Awesome video my friend!
alienindahizouse 1 year ago
my b i laughed so hard at 1:42 all the way to 1:47
mion314 1 year ago
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mion314 1 year ago
Great overview so far. I love my Jaguar. It's been hooked up nearly constantly since I bought it at clearence at K.B. Toys for $39. I like playing Cybermorph, but only because I finally got good enough so that I I never hear "where did YOU learn to fly?' anymore.
STAY AWESOME! :)
cessnaace 1 year ago
Why did Jaguar's 64-bit games look worse than Nintendo's 16-bit games?
pqwilrj 1 year ago
@pqwilrj
Because graphics aren't purely a matter of technical power. A lot of it has to do with good artists, good engine design, and so on. Particularly when you're comparing 2D games. But even fairly recently in the 3D era this has been true
There are some truly spectacular looking PS2 games that look better than most other games of the time frame, despite the fact that the GameCube/Xbox are much more powerful systems
Often, who makes a game is more important than what it was made for
lartrak 1 year ago 6
@lartrak yeah that is true, look at re4 for ps2, GREAT GRAPHICS!
agonyfire 8 months ago
@lartrak If I'm not mistaken, it's two 32 bit CPU's and only one of them handles the graphics. Regardless, good review man.
johnfotus716 4 months ago
@pqwilrj IIRC, the main process in the jaguar was the Motorola 68K which is a 16 bit processor. They managed to come up with "64-bit" using some totally invalid additive measure... they added up the "bits" of the main, graphics, sound, and other processor... I think there were 4 different processors doing different things that were 16 bit so they called it 64. Someone correct me if I'm remembering this incorrectly... I guess I could just google it ;)
EpicureMammon 9 months ago
@EpicureMammon Thanks for the info.
pqwilrj 9 months ago
why you gotta be hating on manning dude
Superfreyman93 1 year ago
Thw Shaguar-Sexiest Videogame Console Ever-Except The X-box 360,Its Beautyfull.
daddyjankie 1 year ago
haha Brutal Football was on Amiga computers too it was fun
MrROTD 1 year ago
Ah, another expert opinion.
noreallyphuckyou 1 year ago
What games are worth getting for the Jaguar. What do you recommed? Is it worth getting this game console at all?
boxerjoey38 1 year ago
@boxerjoey38 Iron solider, Iron soldier 2, AVP, Tempest2k, Wolfenstein3D, Doom, Ultra Vortec, Dino dudes, ummm RayMan, Theres a channel Biffsgammingvideos that has like every possible to find game,
id say go there and view the videos for games that seem interesting to you
Sypran 1 year ago
sounds like you got baaad cottonmouth
justsaymint 1 year ago
That's mostly the mic, FWIW.
lartrak 1 year ago
Star Fox is a total esthetics thing, cybermorph uses those gawdy colors and balck background (on early levels at least), I'd assume the colors would be trying to create a fantacy type environment, but they really are ugly.
But cybermorph is far more colorful, way more colors on screen (star fox uses 16-colors for the entire polygon layer -albeit modifies the palette and uses dynamic dithering to optimize for this) and awesoem gouraud shading. Framerate is definitely a lot lower on Star Fox.
koolkitty8989 2 years ago 3
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So its the simplistic gameplay (fast paced rail shooter) great game design (and music) plus very optimized graphics that make Star Fox what it is. (soem people find the framerate unplayable though, I do not though -whien it slows to like 6 fps it's annoying though)
But way fewer polygons on screen, shorter draw distance, low framerate (15 fps max) tons of dithering etc. Maybe Atari should have opted for a rail shooter. (or a full on space sim like X-Wing on PC at the time)
koolkitty8989 2 years ago
we are even faked by nintendo, yes i 1# tout snes can only pholyfony sound, but when i first heard the music in donkeykong country i tout the snes was technically cd quality capable,even in the magazines and guy from nintendo told me the snes could handle cd quality sound.
even batman forever and return of the joker was stated to have cd quality sound,what a lie!!!!!
oke our limmited ears will maybe percieve it as c quality,richt?
johneymute 2 years ago
nope, NES is a good bit short of that, it;s 16-bit resolution like CD, but compressed (ADPCM) not raw PCM like CD, and limited to 32 kHz max (opposed to 44.1 KHz CDDA), though samples are often far less than that. Then there's the forced interpolation and filtering, somewhat necessary to remove artifacts from low sample-rate playback, but being forced removes any possible crispness of high-sample rate playback.
koolkitty8989 2 years ago
avp was really good
XxmattitudexX 2 years ago 2
It's rather poor next to the doom port though, simple wolf3D type map layout square grid), and lower framerate.
koolkitty8989 2 years ago
I just got to say, These reviews have inspired me 100% to get a jaguar (I got it for a good price with AVP and Iron soldier) so thank you and your really good at reviewing.
Sypran 2 years ago
Where did YOU learn to fly?
greendayaddictions 2 years ago
No conclusion?
YodatheJedi12 2 years ago
Did you watch the other two?
lartrak 2 years ago
Nice Video. I collect vintage systems and I have been looking at either getting a Jaguar or a 3DO which one would you recommend getting first.
ATARI800XLfan 2 years ago
Great job on the video! Nice to hear your opinions.
I was the same as you... I could care less about anything Atari released at this point and had no interest in owning one. Nor did I know anyone who owned one.
I wound up buying one a few years ago for my retro collection, but that is just for collecting purposes.
This console has got to be one of the worst ever. The controller is just god awful, mostly horrible games, I could go on and on...
jordanv78 2 years ago
I actually thought the controller was pretty good.
puppetmaster983 2 years ago 5
yeah most people think the number pad was bad i think its good because cause it made it easy to change weapons
aznjohn15 2 years ago 3
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RorytheRetrokid 2 years ago
Actually you can play as the non-human teams in Brutal Sports Football.
Enzo012 2 years ago
How can you in single player?
lartrak 2 years ago
I don't know about the main tournament mode but in the unfriendlies there's a team select screen. You just cycle through all the human teams before you get to the lizardmen, goats and rhinos.
Enzo012 2 years ago
How silly, why did Atari have to keep that keyboard thing? That didn't work in the eighties, and it defiantly wouldn't work in the nineties.
NinjaMuffinMaster 2 years ago
i have a jaguar with a jaguar cd i got that when i only was 1 year old lol!
DivineMasterRecon032 2 years ago
I have the japanese jaguar, the pack in game is alien versus jaguar. I bought it for avp.
squirm13 2 years ago
I don't think they ever released a japanese jaguar, they made a PAL version though. Plus, the Jaguar was actually made in America, probably the reason why there is no Japanese equivalent.
xBADxGAMESx 2 years ago
I have the japanese jag, with avp as pack in game, it comes with both jap. and english instructions for both the console and avp.
squirm13 2 years ago
I have avp with english/french/german whatever and japanese instruction manuals
bobbystar101 1 year ago
I just got a Jaguar from ebay with CM,T2000,and AVP!
I really thought it wasnt that bad. I acually liked the graphfics of AvP! And yeah, when I first saw the back of my Jaguar, I was like HOLY SHIT! But I found out later it was nothin.
shadowofRE 2 years ago
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those graphics suck and so do you.. Where did you learn to fly? Learn to do a barrel roll.
Paperclown 2 years ago
Wow, you had some bad luck as a kid, huh? Getting the Sega Nomad and discovering the joys of non-portability and lacking battery life, and getting an Atari Jaguar only to discover that it's an Atari Jaguar?
Did you also get a Game Gear?
CrazyStuffStudios 2 years ago
I asked for the Jaguar for Christmas, so I don't know if that's bad luck. But yeah, heh.
I did have a Game Gear. It's the only system of any kind I've ever sold. Guess what other (better) portable I bought with the money?
As far as bad luck.. What was a much bigger waste of time is my Jaguar CD. That's my personal vote for worst system (if an expansion counts as a system) of all-time - definitely the worst one I have owned, anyway.
I might do a review of it later - mine still works!
lartrak 2 years ago
So you were "that kid"? That's rough.
I'd really like to see what you think of the Jaguar CD. Those things are uber rare.
CrazyStuffStudios 2 years ago
I'm just trying to find more games for it. There's only about a dozen or so titles, and I have four of them. I'd like to get at least 8 or 9 titles, then I'll make a review of it.
Highlander for Jag CD is probably the most broken and borderline unplayable game I have for a console.
lartrak 2 years ago
Agreed, I have 9 of the 13 original Jaguar CD releases and they are horrible. Highlander is an absolute disgrace, and is miserably tough to play. But Battlemorph, Primal Rage, and Dragon's Lair are good titles. I wish I could get a copy of Braindead 13 though.
xBADxGAMESx 2 years ago
what is so bad about the jaguar cd?
deathmountaintv 2 years ago
It only has about a dozen games for a start. Second, it's very unreliable. Third, even of those dozen games, several of them are REALLY BAD or ports from other systems. And fourth, it's ugly.
lartrak 2 years ago
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deathmountaintv 2 years ago
you said it was unreliable, what would you think happened if someone made their own jag cd?
deathmountaintv 2 years ago
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RorytheRetrokid 2 years ago
Cool review.
Try to hunt down the six-button "Pro Controller" there quite cheap and are much nicer and easier to use than the standard controller, especially with FPS'.
DeanoTheLegend87 2 years ago
Yeah, I'd like one, but they're hard to find. Pretty rare even on eBay.
lartrak 2 years ago
i checked on amazon and you can get a atari jaguar for 50 british pounds which is 82 american dollars
deathmountaintv 2 years ago
where did you learn to be an asshole?! quote angry video game nerd (avgn)
deathmountaintv 2 years ago
Yeah, kind of funny. My review of the Jag is only about two weeks older than his.
lartrak 2 years ago
I used to play BRUTAL sports Football on the PC :)
VoidKeeper 2 years ago
Green bitch: Where did you learn to fly? Where did you learn to fly?
I've been considering to get a jaguar for the nice console conversion of Wolfenstein but I didn't see any other titles worth nabbing :\
Snotnarok 2 years ago 3
Brutal..Sports..
Awesome.
NaruhinaXSasusaku 2 years ago
Awesome review i like how you dont try to be cool like other critics 5 stars and a subscription!
kingscratch956 2 years ago
where did you learn to fly
videogamer697 2 years ago 3
Damn i need a shirt saying that
YasserCrackafat 2 years ago 4
Now this is good review made by a lesser known dude. Great job, dude. The amount of horrible "retrospectives" is just mindblowing but diamonds in the rough like these ones are always appreshed.
PANDAPANDAMADNESS 2 years ago
Where did you learn? To Fly?
Mank25 2 years ago 2
that game Cybermorph, it looked kind of rushed.
marplatense2 2 years ago
Very nice job with this review men !!
I'll be sure to check out your next one.
metropolitophile 2 years ago
Very good review :-)
jenslyn87 2 years ago
Great review. Probably one of the best I've seen on Youtube. My only critique is that there is a slight buzzing noise in the background, but it's not really much. Five stars.
kitkatbar3003 2 years ago
Thanks.
And yeah, it was something wrong with my microphone. I tried noise eliminating it, but this was the best I could get. I have a new, much better one now, so hopefully my next reviews will sound better.
lartrak 2 years ago
Great reviews, i got a Jaguar with cd drive and some games a few years ago, but traded it for something else, i wish now if kept it, for alien versus predator, and some others.
squirm13 2 years ago
COOL
morgangamer22 3 years ago
Nice! Very Nice! If you get a chance, Grab Tempest 2000, Defender 2000 & I might add that Kasumi ninja is one of the Goryest games i've ever played! Would LOVE a review of those. But thanks for all the effort dude. Nice one.
therealKINDLE 3 years ago