@JoelHarvey1 - the repeated backfires were due to lean condition - I was able to "flood" the engine by feeding it about 20lpm which was way too rich - found optimal to be in the range of 6-10 parts air to 1 part HHO ... needs to be rich to start, but once going can be leaned out - for this engine, that's about 9lpm to start and 7lpm for continuous run ...
@davidrobert2007 - well, it was close to cutting edge stuff 3 years ago when I was working with it - these days, there must be some who have taken it further - but at the time, a few us worked very hard to define just what it took to make an internal combustion engine run on HHO - hope we made at least some small contribution
@SmartScarecrow Great Job. It appears that there's a small problem when you put a load on the engine with straight hho. I am building my first hho generator; will be finish mabe next week. I am planing to build a PMW also. Frommy reserch it seems that PWM helps in the longevity of the generator and the productivity. Wish me luck!!!!!!!!!!
@DJBF360 - pwm will do nothing to increase production of HHO however will help keep your electrolysis device from run away overheating - in an unmodified engine, takes roughly 8-10 lpm per 100cc of displacement to get it to run at full RPM buy will only deliver about 2/3 the rated horsepower that gasoline gives - have fun with it - I sure did
can the gap between plates be changed relative to the surface area of the plates (similar to a capacitor)? if a plate was say 20" x 20" then could the gap be greater, resulting in less gas-pockets and better overall electrolyte contact? perhaps a very long rectangular plate with several HHO gas pickups or a rail along the top and something similar to return the liquid along the bottom, improving cooling flow as well as submergibility? must b tones of gas pockets when plates are so close together
@izzzzzz6 - particularly with low voltage systems and stainless steel, 6 to 8 inches square is about optimal to ensure conductivity across the plate surface ... any larger and you get dead zones on the plate surface ... connecting at all 4 corners will let you get away with 12 to 18 inch square ... wider the plate gap, the stronger your electrolyte has to be ... I like to use a mild caustic so I keep plate gap to about 1/8 inch and I use voltages in the 120v to 440v range ...
Sorry, 4my first response. I just wanted to say that if gas pockets are one of the biggest obstacles in the way of obtaining a better MMW then the plates being so close together would indeed be a problem, almost constantly occurring gas pockets leads2 less electrolyte making contact and less electricity passing between terminals due to the gaseous environment now within the cell, most people seem to be building similar sized cells, how about much larger plates with a much larger gap?
Sure the engine is not designed to run on HHO, i believe HHO explodes so violently that the reaction is over too quickly to work correctly with the timing, we can learn more by trying HHO in different types of engines such as tiny radio controlled nitro engines or old rotary engines. Perhaps the differences in efficiency will tell us a great deal, also improving the dry cell structure to avoid gas pockets will greatly help, i believe this is why so many people got better MMW with a lower voltage
@izzzzzz6 - convection in these devices pretty much eliminates gas pockets automatically ... bubbles do form on the plates and stick until they get large enough to be buoyant at which time they escape the magnetic attraction of the plates ... I have tried pumping fluid through these devices to eliminate those bubbles on the plates but it did not increase efficiency ... one way to improve efficiency is to eliminate the holes that allow electrical leakage between plates ...
Good work pretty impressive but it's taking 2000W to run a generator which can only produce 1500W and we have seen a 400W lamp powered. I imagine that with the plates so close together there are many gas pockets, but drilling more holes can eventually only defeat the object of a dry cell, me thinks a better way to circulate the liquid between the plates would help, making the hoses in your system shorter may help a little.
@izzzzzz6 - the purpose for performing these experiments was to define just how much HHO is required run a standard internal combustion engine that was intended to be run on gasoline without modification ... and to determine the performance that could be expected running such an engine on HHO compared to gasoline ... if you were expected to see magic, sorry, I'm the wrong guy for that ... I was collecting baseline data ... nothing up my sleeve ...
@clborg88 - many years ago, I played with HHO to boost performance of gasoline - but the question remained, can an engine run on 100% HHO? if so, what are the characteristics? Those are the questions I was trying to answer in these experiments. Many are working on boost technology, but few are working on how an engine might be made to run on 100% HHO and what can be expected. So that is where I concentrated my efforts.
@instantproducts - have seen pretty much everything published on Meyer ... have been trying to replicate his method for over 10 years ... his presentations combine science and sudo science along with words I think he made up to impress people ... in non of his presentations does he clearly describe how to replicate his process ... and as far as I know, no one has ...
Three things stand out to me about Meyer's design. (1) I think from what I have heard it takes around 2kv per 1mm plate distance at a frequency of 20kHz to crack distilled water using Meyer's setup. (2) Also, he used to mixed non-combustible gas from the exhaust of the engine metered to the HHO from the water fuelcell and feed the combined gas mixture to the air intake of the engine to slow the burn rate. (3) HHO is implosive; whereas, HHO combined with a non-combustible gas becomes explosive.
@instantproducts - the non-combustible gas used was ambient air ... 2kv 1mm at 20khz did nothing unusual ... but try it yourself and see ... I am not perfect and might have screwed up somewhere ... but a lot have tried and so far, no joy ...
@SmartScarecrow The Meyer's concept, I believe, is to use impulse DC from the transient inductive spikes from the choke inductor to charge the water fuel cell capacitor to a voltage capable of breaking the dialectic constant of distilled water. Also, I believe that there is something very different and very special about the voltage from a transient inductive spike from a collapsing magnetic field from a coil. I believe that it is a form of cold electricity. Good luck on your experiments.
@instantproducts - have heard that theory presented but have never seen a circuit that will do it ... have tried based on many patent drawings ... much of the discussion is sudo science and in a language that sounds Buck Rogers but is really nonsense ... bottom line, there is no clear description of the method used by Meyer that a capable engineer can translate into a working gadget ... will take a stroke of luck to stumble on it ...
@instantproducts - yes and have attempted for over 10 years to replicate Meyer's methods ... no joy ... you know the secret, there are many of us who would like to see an operational system with clear documentation that would allow replication ...
@captainalant - that would be a neat trick ... at the time I did these early experiments, best I could do was 1800 watts in with about 400 watts back ... in later experiments I managed to improve on that by a considerable margin but I never got back back better than 50% of what I put in ... and even that was very hard to do ... most of time was no more than 33% ...
if you retime the engine to run on and explosive fuel source (hho) instead of a combustable (gasoline) you'll get much better results... no backfires and it will take much less hho to run the engine. standard gasoline engines run between 3 and 8 degreeze before top dead center, you need to get it timed at zero or even further on the down stroke. when gasoline combusts, the molicules have to be given time to break down before they'll explode... hho is already in its simplest form...
@coquivagabundo - did this last summer ... some of the other mods had to do to make the injector work were shall we say, a little dangerous ... so I made no YouTube videos showing this ... I was concerned someone might try to copy me and get hurt ... but the way I was doing it, this managed to get the performance of my system up to a point where I was able to return nearly 50% of the power required to run the electrolysis device ... without injection, I was unable to exceed 30% ...
doh, yeah had a Homer moment there ... actually, I was worn out from pulling that darn starter cord ... I was aware that the HHO gas was still flowing and had a couple near misses earlier in the day ... but the violence of the mishap that took out the air cleaner and muffler caught me a bit by surprise ... all part of the learning experience I guess ...
I've just started my research on HHO, so please forgive me if 'm missing something... Supposing you had a 2000kW generator being turned by a 10hp Briggs Stratton or Honda motor, wouldn't the amount of HHO supplied by the dry cell be adequate to run that (resulting in OU?). Is 4 liters per minute no enough? I am desperately trying to find an alternative to my $500 power bill (though I don't know how it could be that high as we don't run anything other than 4 laptops and keep the heat at 70).
@sgtjasonshrout - I am certainly not going to tell you ot to try ... but I can tell you that in the experiments I have documented here on YouTube, the best performance I have shown is 1800 watts of energy into the system, and 250 watts of energy out ... a deficit about 1550 watts ... since then, I have done a little better but still a long way from anything near OU ... you need 1 lpm for every 10cc of engine displacement to do what I have shown ...
I have run the generator on HHO continuously for periods as long as 72 hours without a break ... however, I think that powering the generator off the fuel it is able to make will remain out of reach for quite some time ... best I can do any day of the week is to return about 20% of power consumed ... have seen 50% but that performance is not replicated so not yet valid ...
exhaust temps when under 33% load running on 100% HHO at a 5:1 air to HHO ratio was 235F ...
and we did eventually get the performance up to the point where we had to use 1200w of input energy and were able to draw 600w off the little generator ... took a lot of tweaking and fiddling to get it there and its very hard to repeat at that level ... but at least 2 others have been able to repeat ... so for now, that seems to be upper limit until we figure out how to break the next barrier ...
does it have neutral plates? yes, a lot of them. the device is powered by 120vAC rectified to DC. Each neutral plate causes a voltage drop. I connect at plate #1 and plate #72 only. Plates 2-71 are all neutral plates. This permits me to get the average voltage per plate gap into a range that is sane. As a rule, you want to shoot for 2v per plate gap. The more voltage, the more neutrals required. Otherwise you make steam not HHO.
yes, neutral plates do make HHO ... its really not neutral, its more like bi-polar ... its shows a positive face and a negative face ... the electricity is conducted through the fluid ...
I am going to try and make a HHO generator because I want to have a HHO torch. I will also rectify 120vac to 120dc to energize the plates. I appreciate your help and your efforts. I will post a video of my construction.
go for it ... you will want somwhere between 60 and 72 plates ... positive on one end, negative on the other and a whole lotta neutral plates inbetween to get the voltage under control ... for a really sweet torch, shoot for about 4-8 liters per minute ... you can get a decent torch with as little as 2 lpm, but an 8 lpm HHO torch kicks some serious butt !!!
i would say that this is a fake video because there could be many things on that generator that could be modified especialy that fuel shut off valve. Not to be cruel or anything but thats my take on the video.
well, you are of course entitled to your opinion ... however, there is much additional footage and I am not the only one doing it ... there is no magic ... the engine is running on 100% HHO gas ... it is what it is ...
now many have gotten confused about what I am doing ... no, the generator is not powering the electrolysis device ... the electrolysis device is being power off 120vAC rectified ... this may be the source of your confusion ...
hrmm what is your gas out put usualy those generators suck a good amout of gas when you put them under a load. Can you show us a vid of what is inside your contraption i dont think it could even supply a generator let alone an engine
hrmmm do you have a video that shows a gauge that proves that it can produce that much gas. According to my math that hho generator is too small for that engine. My math shows that that unit should roughly produce about 1/4 less of the gas that you claim that that unit shows. Not to say that your a lier or anything just curious
I posted a video a while back where I filled an inverted 3L juice jug in 20 seconds ... and that was not running at full tilt ... this is not rocket science ... my device has nearly 12000 square inches of surface area in some configurations ... more when I power off 240vAC ...
in normal trim, it weighs nearly 65 lbs ... 22 gauge steel plates .. 316L ...
I am not the only one doing this ... I have published everthing ... many videos ... nothing to prove here ...
with 400 liters per minute of HHO, I could run a 4 liter engine, at idle ... not at full tilt though ...
not sure how you developed your numbers ... but this little engine is only 90cc or there about ... when we tried to feed it 20 lpm, we flooded it out ... it really did not want to take more than about 12 lpm it seems ...
my electrolyzer is constructed of 8"x8" plates .. I used between 65 and 150 plates depending on how I will power it ... to run the generator, I feed in between 1000 and 1800 watts of energy to produce the gas needed ...
this one was just the warm up ... by November of last year our team was getting it done even better ... at this point, we are painfully close to getting a test system like this actually self sustain ... and we are working with primitive test gear that has less than a 20% system thermal efficiency ... the most efficient piece of the puzzle right now is our HHO device ... if we had NASA's budget we would be there ...
Nice cell. I made a HHO cell that powered small lawn mower and it worked good, but the cell himself needs lots of energy. My question, is it possible to generate power for the HHO cell with the same generator that is powered by HHO cell? Greetings from Estonia...
no ... that would be a neat trick to pull off ... I am not sure we ever get there ... but many would be surprised at just close we are ... I consume 1800 watts, the generator puts out 1200 watts ...
I really like your cell, very very much, but the engine has a slight click sound which is a small backfire before the valve closes. I really hate being a critic, but I'm a really fine mech of 45 years hands on engines, jets, ordinance, custum building hot rods, and refinary fabrications, from gold to suds, and that engine is popping out the trottle at every stroke, just be carful not to run it too long that way, your doing a fine job, nice flash back arrestor, lets you know your in trouble, no?
I did the ignition/valve timing thing on the one I worked with a couple years ago ... so this time, I decided to try a different approach ... I have been experimenting with methods of slowing the HHO burn ... that and quantifying the fuel air ratios that work best ...
the engine I am using is totally inadequate for use with HHO and was purchased as a sacrificial lamb ... I am amazed it has held up this long considering the torture I have put it through ... good little engine ...
in these tests I was looking at just HHO and ambient air ... wanted to come up with a fuel to air ratio that I knew would work for base line comparison to other gas mixes ... since this, I have tried CO2, argon and nitrogen ... once I get my closed loop exhaust/intake working as planned, I will also be trying helium ... but it aint a competition ... if you got data on other gas mixes, share them and save me some time !!!
the volume of HHO gas provided to the engine and the idle speed settings were being adjusted between each sequence of videos ... this is rather boring to watch so I cut out a lot of the "increase gas volume, adjust screw" stuff that was going on ... basically, I was trying to determine how little gas I could get it to run on, and how much it would take to get it to run well ... answer is 6 lpm runs it, 9 lpm runs it well ...
but the fact remains, I have now shown anyone interested that it can be done and provided instruction on how to do it ... even gave some entertaining hints on what not to do ... so yes, this I think was one of my better videos ... glas you enjoyed it ...
we are so close to being able to do that, it hurts ... if only my electroyser were just a bit more efficient, or the engine, or the alternator ... I am dealing with fairly primitive gear here ... the sort of stuff most anyone can get ... and I am only short about 15% of being able to do as you ask ...
many are trying that one ... yes, I have been there and failed ... perhaps someone smarter than me will figure that one out ... I press on with what I know works ...
the big problem is poor efficiency of the cheap little Chinese made gasoline engine and the attached alternator ... combined, they have a thermal efficency of less that 30% ... my electrolysis device is by far the most efficient piece of the puzzle ...
Yea but from i heard of is that he somehow replaced the sparkplugs with something that produces hydrogen and that just wont get in to my head how he did it
like a dummy I let gas build up at a very high output volume ... that same incident also blew out the muffler ... I did an Epilog video about a week after this where I show and discuss exactly what happened ... but the short answer is, I learned a valuable lesson in safe handling of the gas ...
Very encouraging! What you are doing is very similar to my goal of getting a genset to run on hydroxy and then using it to recharge a battery pack in an EV. I like your methods and thoroughness. Don't let the naysayers get you down. I like the Boyce style cell. Did you find 1.5VDC was not enough to sustain brute force electrolysis? Keep up the great work.
1.5v per gap just did not cut it for me ... I think if I had been able to get the Boyce inspired electronic enhancments to work, I might just have pulled it off, but I was unable to make that part of it work as planned ... for 120v operation, I have settled on 65 plates as the sweet spot ... after much experimentation, I am starting to like a 2mm plate spacing also ... but I am running this setup on 240v from time to time so 110 plate configuration still comes into play sometimes ...
I also found that 2VDC minimum is needed to sustain brute force electrolysis. People forget this when replicating Bob's setup. 1.5VDC only works in resonance, in which different rules apply than brute force.
its a 120v 20 amp Variac, so its maximum is about 2400 watts ... and to get the engine to run at full speed, I was pulling everything the variac could give me ... I built a 20 amp fuse into it and I did pop the fuse a few times doing these tests ...
yeah, this was pure laziness on my part ... when I finish a run on HHO the engine has water, water, everywhere ... in the crank, in the combustion chamber, even in the valve train ... so I like to run it on gasoline for about an hour or so to get it good and hot as a means of evaporating all the water out of the system ... but my arch rival D3 out on the west coast presented me the same challenge you did, so I went ahead and removed the fuel tank for the sceptics ...
See, it can work. What I am doing is legitimate. I will find success and my goals will be reached. It's only a matter of time before this problem is solved. Meanwhile I will keep enjoying my 20% increase in economy. So no matter what names and accusations you throw at me, I will not be daunted one bit. Scarecrow, Smack and others like me are showing guys like you that there is a better way.
well, you aint seen nuthin' yet ... dont want to give away too many secrets, but my technique has improved a tiny bit since this video was released ... the best is yet to come ...
Right on, bro. I have a new design that is putting out 7LPM to a 6.3 KW genset. This is enough to idle (no load) the 10HP B&S. At 7LPM I'm using 12KW. So I'm halfway there, and every time I retry I get closer. Your Boyce style cell is more efficient. Maybe your experiment will work better with a larger genset?
run the numbers on my setup as shown in this video ... 1800 watts in, 400 watts being drawn by the shop light, net cost 1400 watts ... 3.5hp engine ... thermal efficiency of engine about 18% ... nobody has noticed it yet ... not many physics majors on YouTube I guess ... but that's ok ... the new config has a few surprises that anyone with eyes should notice ... can you say, "suck my tailpipe, if you can find it?" hehehe ...
Right. I did notice this, which is why I mentioned my project. ZeroFossil fuel is up to the same thing. There is and has been proof that this stuff works. When I reach this goal, you can believe me I will be stuffing it down some throats. Forget 20%. I will be recharging a battery pack with an onboard genset to power an EV. My tailpipe will be an inch in diameter and emit nothing but heat and water vapor.
when you get right down to it, why even bother with a tailpipe ??? why let all that nice juicy heat and hot water get away when it could be put right back into the reaction to take another ride ??? besides, so much HHO gets past the rings (scarry how much) ... so if you vent your crankcase and your exhaust in such a way that none of it gets away from you, you end up able to do more with less ... anyway, that's what it looks like is happening ... will know more soon and will publish results ...
Now you are starting to sound like Stanley! But hey - why bother with a piston engine? Why not utilize the amazingly efficient Tesla turbine to spool up a generator/alternator? Like you said, piston engines waste some 80% of the energy put into them.
hehehe ... in many ways, we think alike ... next time we run into each other, beer on me ... we can sit around and lie to each other about our exploits with stong women and stronger booze ...
and I have tried the Tesla turbine ... works, but no torque. think need something with teeth. but the pulse jet was wild !!!
by the way, the ICE running on HHO is a radio transmitter ... spectrum analyzer says its all over the dial ... very interesting phonomena ... lots to study ...
Interesting.... but you should not be surprised. Accessing the zero point energy field with a reciprocating piston engine would transmit pulsed signals - each one being propagated every time the combustion takes place. wonder - does the frequency match the RPM?
cant tell yet ... need better insturments ... stuff I have is vintage 1960's ham radio gear ... with modern gear might know more ... am working on it ... tight budgets here ... have to do much with little ...
Suggestion here. The light will run a lot better if you bypass all the hoses, pipes, and contraptions and just plug directly into the extension cord. :)
Seriously though, I'm new to exploring these ideas and thankful for people like you that have put so much time into trying things. How much HHO have you seen anyone get out of 12 volts? What could be accomplished with an inverter on an auto setup to increase mileage? Is it even worth the aggravation? I have seen a lot of videos out here so far, but you are one of the few I have seen that is actually having success making large volumes of HHO. Is it because of the increased power supply?
best I can tell you is try it. some are getting really good results, some are getting nothing. most get some modest gain. in most cases, its the steam produced by poorly designed devices that really cause the mileage gain as the volume of HHO produced is too low to have impact. I like using an inverter and rectified AC because I can use thinner wire but it comes down to watts. takes a lotta watts to make enough gas to do the job you seek. not impossible though. how bad you want it ???
It is already being done. A Japanese company is using a cylander of hydrogen and injecting water into the engine as the hydrogen is igniting. The water is vapourised by the igniting hydrogen and as it turns to vapour which provides the expansive force to push the piston. Like an internal conbustion steam engine. This still doesnt get around the production on demand problem. There's no way the alternator can produce enough power for production on demand, you would need a stored energy source.
Running an I.C.E. on pure HHO is an extremely waistfull exercise. I would estimate that you would get back somewhere less than 72% of energy put in to produce the HHO. The rapid ignition of the gas would mean that it is only pushing the piston with expansive force for a very short percentage of its power stroke and the piston would infact be generating a vacuum by the end of its stroke.
It would be better to use the HHO to suppliment a lower grade Hydrocarbon fuel that is cheap or even free.
Your agrument is well made and in general is accurate. I am conducting baseline data gathering at this point in preparation for something a little different. Suppose you took that carbon based gas you make in your carbon plasma chamber, perform a fairly accurate mix with just a touch of HHO along with a cool water mist, and hit it all with a rather high energy ignition source ??? what do you suppose might happen ??? we shall see ... stay tuned ...
I am working on a system to store and use the HHO safely and more efficiently. Progress is slow as I dont have the time required to spend on it. In my opinion we need to get away from energy in the form of gas as it is too complex and dangerous to store and production on demand is not easily possible. If you were to add HHO to the gas from a carbon cell you would increase its volitility but also render it dangerous to store as you are putting free oxygen back into the mix.
agreed ... some progress has been made recently in creation of synthetic natual gas as an on demand fuel source ... HHO will also be on demand ... water mist to moderate the burn ... plasma spark ignition ... no stored gas ...
no idea yet if it will work as expected ... and though I too have little time these days to pursue my experiments, I have to know if this will work ... so I intend to give it a try at some point in the near future ... maybe before the first of the year ...
Yes fine droplets of water via an ultrasonic fogger would greatly benifit your HHO system as the fine droplets would become vapour very quickly adding the expansion needed.
Still production on demand would not be possible without some other fuel source. Have you heard of using a Gallium Aluminium alloy to produce Hydrogen on demand. Using scrap Aluminium this may be cost effective and the gallium can be reused again and again in the system.
I am familiar with that method of hydrogen production and have experiemted with it on the bench. So far, have not figured out a way to control the reaction so have not considered it practical. But agree that method requires a lot more investigation. But like most, I have limited time and money to devote to my experiements so often have to choose carefully where to apply my resources ... have to take current path to end of road before heading off on another journey ...
To control the reaction of Gallium Aluminium and water all you need to do is control the amount of water in contact with the alloy. However as the reaction only gives off hydrogen gas (no Oxygen) there is no problem allowing the reaction to occur in a pressure vessel like a gas cylinder. The Hydrogen produced will pressurise itself inside the cylinder and by using a normal gas regulator and valve you can regulate the gas supply on demand.
@ChrisPCrunchy I believe you have a good point Chris, just thinking about it, HHO burns very fast, the explosion is suddenly over, a combustion engine is designed for a slower explosion, also generally i have been noticing that people say HHO works better with diesel engines, perhaps it's a good compromise or perhaps a diesel engine benefits more from having that kick at the start of the explosive cycle? Anyone?
@izzzzzz6 - HHO can stand very high compression - problem with a diesel engine is lack of spark ignition - the compression of a diesel is desirable but even that compression is not adequate to ignite the HHO so a spark will have to be fitted somehow - have seen some experiments related to this and the results looked pretty good - but in the end, to run on 100% HHO will require an engine designed specific to the unique character of the fuel
teh770 here. The generator will run much better if you set the timing to 2-5 degrees top dead center. Hydrogen burns a lot faster than gas. Would like to see how you built the second spark arrestor I need one.
Setting timing to retard is a known method. I am working on something different. Am trying to modify the burn rate of the HHO to get to burn at a rate closer to gasoline. We shall see. Can always work the timing issue if this fails.
The flash back relief was made for me by one of the EBN guys to test. Its a simple device made of PVC fittings, a mouse ball and a spring. Not perfect, but pretty darn good.
check out my video on the spark/flashback arrestor...it works very well...I agree, TDC will run much better..also check to make sure you don't have waste spark...FYI..good job...lovin it...
I cant use a flash arrestor that presents any sort of flow restriction and get done what I need to do ... I tried that and it just did not work for me ... the "ball on a spring" setup is more appropriate for what I am doing here ... no restriction at all, but it releases the energy impulse reliably when there is a flash back ... works and its simple ...
the flash backs are more a matter of over lean air:hho mix, not waste spark or timing related ... once the mix was right, it ran fine ...
Im an RV tech. Ill keep in touch if I get a chance to salvage a 3000 watt inverter/converter combo. sometimes the converters in these combo units go out and you have to replace the entire unit. Ill give it to ya for free if you pay the shipping ok?
Well Done!! I see that you are running 120vac from the house to the cell. Have you thought of using or building a variable inverter and a bank of batteries to power 150vac to the cell. Then using a battery charger from the genset as a load, and to keep the batteries charged?
that has come to mind ... problem is, I simply cannot afford the price of a 3000 watt inverter right now ... but it is on the punch list for as soon as I can stand the price of such a thing ... think I may end up trying similar to your suggestion using an old UPS I have laying about that will need some refurbishing first ... but its only 1800 watts so not enough to make the gas required to run the genny ...
Hi new to all this. Is there a way to use hho and water in a geet engine.Then the last bit of carbon in the geet engine(ie petrol mixed with the water)would be replaced withh hho.Good to see someone doing it properly great Vids
that would be an intersting experiment ... but I have no idea if it would provide any gains ... I am headed down a different path ... is it possible for you to explore this possibility ??? one guy can only do so much ... we need more builders and experimenters trying some of these idea ...
Using a geet reactor to convert the used crankcase oil mixed with a small amount of alcohol, Then at the intake add HHO. The fuel (oil/alc mix) Will run until next oil change.
Never having to use gasoline again, and only a small amount of alcohol. If I could get water to mix with oil then perhaps no alcohol...
Actually I'd keep the corn (special) and use other plants that are much higher producers like artichokes, range grasses,Cattails- (actually the highest producers and they clean up sewer ponds in the process) and if you can find the seeds, good old great big sugar beets!
Remember very -small- amount of alcohol:)lots of HHO
Do you have any idea of the RPM of the generator at Idea and or full speed? im trying to get an idea of what ratio's of HHO to Air are needed to run ICE. Thank You for all your work Roland
at idle it was running at 600-900 rpm on between 5 and 6 lpm of HHO ... at full speed, it was running at 3000-3500 rpm on about 9 lpm of hho ... a 2000cc 4cy engine can be run at idle on about 100 lpm ... at full speed it would probably need about 400 lpm or so but would run at maybe 5000 rpm ...
Could we see some data on power consumed by electrolyzer compared to that of petrol. Id like (and im sure you'd like) to see how well it fares in cost to using fossil fuel.
not sure how to present that data ... can tell you that to get a 3.5 hp, 90cc, 8:1 compression gasoline engine to idle properly on HHO, it takes between 5 and 6 lpm of gas ... with my device, this requires about 1000 watts of energy to produce ... to get that engine to run at its full operating speed requires about 9 to 10 lpm of gas ... with my device this requires about 2000 watts of energy to produce ...
I finally got it to idle steady using about 1000-1200 watts of electricity to produce about 5-6 lpm ... but I had to push the electrolyser to about 2000 watts and produce nearly 10 lpm to get it to run at full speed ... am not done yet ... will be another couple months before we see if it can be refined further ...
that would be easy to do ... would just have to make a lot more gas ... I am making about 10 lpm at max output ... if I was making about 100 lpm that amount, should be able to run a pretty good sized auto engine ...
so far, best I have been able to do is 2000 watts input to the electrolyser to get the 3.5hp engine running at full speed ... best I might be able to get out of the generator is about 1200 watts ... so that is not likely to happen ... the engine is just not efficient enough ... if the 3.5hp engine was half as efficient as the electrolysis process, what you describe would be possible ...
I know this sounds silly, but have you tried starting the generator on gas and using the gen to power the electrolyzer, then turn off the fuel and runn just on HHO? Also here is a link to an alternative fuel that you can make at home. If you used the HHO to feed air through the nebulizer, and this alternative fuel as the misting agent, you could probably use a small storage tank to reserve some HHO pressure and could start the gen with no gasoline at all, and use the gen to power the cells. FREE
So far, I have found that I need to consume about 2000 watts of energy to make enough HHO gas to run the engine on the generator at full speed. The generator can only provide 1200 watts continuously, so this leaves me about 800 watts short of where I need to be to make the HHO off the power generated. But I am not finished improving the system yet.
Never try to store HHO, particularly under pressure. Its very dangerous. The gas is highly explosive.
Man u Need a keyed/pullrope on off switch 2 turn that gas off then start :) hahah or wait a few after cutting the HHO, until it dissipates in that filter housing, then maybe re-try starting after you turn it back on for a second. Man.. All that HHO/min gathers quickly it appears looking at that blast wow..
You probably know this, when Zero messed with his lawmower? he got rid of the dual waste second spark removing it it might get rid of first backfire yu seem to get 2?
If moderating the burn rate of the HHO cant get it running a little better, I will indeed go after timing and waste spark. But I used that technique a couple years ago. So I am trying something different this time.
The backfires are caused by over lean mixture. Once the burn rate of the HHO is moderated and the air:hho mix is steady at 5:1, both the timing and waste spark issues should not be a problem. At least that is the working theory on this go around.
Maybe you already covered this elsewhere, but I'd read about using a toroid coil in the HHO generator to create parahydrogen for slower burning gas in addition to the regular orthohydrogen. Would that apply to this situation?
You are talking about a Bob Boyce setup. Most of that stuff is way over my head.
Though I have experimented with these enhancments. I think my device has a litte too much surface area. Or maybe I screwed up the toroid. Or maybe I messed up on the electronics. Or lord only knows what other mistake I might have made. But I could not get it to work with this setup.
Will try again on the next one I build which will probably be a good bit smaller.
it had a certain geet sound to it. That's one thing that Paul's system did very well. I was also thinking of trying alcohol as it burns so much slower than gas and you would need so little.
as to efficiency NICCO out of japan makes a nice rotary 80cc that is close to the 50% you mentioned. Just not allowed to market in the USA. about 8 to ten HP. a second injector away from the plug with inert gas you can cntrl brn rate per cycle. can't on piston
I can tell you that with the equipment I am using right now, if I had an 8hp engine of 80cc capacity that was 50% efficient, I could spin a generator head and have an excess of energy after powering the electrolyzer. That is how close we are as a bunch of back yard experimenters. The energy revolution is a 50%efficient engine away from being a reality.
BSFC is .55 lbs/HP-hr in any application or series
Very very close. they will be coming out with a 100cc but I couldn't find out HP or specs yet.
Air cooled is all I know.
As an inert gas wouldn't caster oil like R/C motors use also lube and slow burn? I think it would assist sealing around the rings and keep water out of the crankshaft? not sure how it would mix with hho though...
to get the HHO to carry with it a small quatity of a liquid mist, I may sneak off with one of my wife's perfume atomizers and pray she dont miss it ... castor oil is on the list of things to try as is distilled water, corn oil and a couple other common products with similar properties ...
(Spelling?) and a place called young living sells some. I have a friend that made one and it puts out oil vapor mist for over three minutes with only a teaspoon of oil and a very small amount of pressure. if interested let me know, you probably already have what you need though, certainly cost effective ...well until your wife catches you!
not at all ... the only modification so far, is a stainless steel 1/4" quick connect tube fitting mounted to the plastic spacer between the carborator and engine intake ... only after all other modifications are completed, will I work to modify timing ... it may turn out to not be required once the other mods are in place ...
Very nice. You guys stay safe. I like the way everything is published on youtube. It is inspiring me very much. I am not in a position financially to experiment otherwise I would. Positive progress, nonetheless. As for slowing the burn rate of hho down to gasoline, how would this effect be achieved? any reference material on it? I am trying to fully understand all of this before i get my feet wet and that sounds like sticking a square peg in a square hole. Any prototype hydrogen engines coming?
the techniques for moderating the burn rate of HHO are similar to those used to moderate the burn rates of other flamable materials ... if there was clear documentation on how to do it, it would already be done ... we're working on it ....
the method favored is mixing the HHO with inert gases and/or water vapor ... you dont want steam as it has already expanded ... water vapor can absorb a lot of energy and expands well ... think internal combustion steam engine ...
along the lines of moderating or modulating or actually cooling the burn rate of HHO have you seen the video(s) of the Chinese guy with his 6 cycle (possibly 8?) engine where he alternates HHO (1st 4 cycles) with water (next 2 or 4?) which flashes to steam to cool the HHO burn. Not sure how this would be achieved without a major modification but still seems like a good idea.
had not seen that one ... will go looking for it ... but sounds complex ... with complexity there is normally inefficiency ... a 2-cycle diesel is being examined as a possibility ... getting the HHO fuel to carry lubricant is a problem but oil injection might solve that ... many things are being explored ... more eyes on the problem would be a good thing ...
All three videos were done during the same session. Ran the course of a long 10 hour day. Purpose was to find the minimum amount of gas required to get the engine to run. Then the amount required to get it to run well. My system is easily tuned through a pretty broad range of output flow volumes. The answer is 6 lpm got it run, 9 lpm got it to run well.
I am not a fan of steam as it has already absorbed considerable energy ... I want something that will absorb the energy from the HHO combustion and expand slower than the HHO ... so a cool water vapor is attractive ... and yes, I have a couple of them pond fogger gizmos I am playing with right now ...
some of you guys are guessing the next steps ahead of the script ... slow down !!! let the others stay caught up with this installment before we jump the gun on them ...
the burn rate is decreased by leaning the hho mixture out, hydrogen will brun from 7% mix to 93% mix with o2, the closer to that 7% you get the slower it burns, the energy has to travel further from h to h with less h in the gas. pure hho burns to fast to transfer its expansion energy into a piston, its fighting inertia, energy takes time to transfer, so the reaction needs to be slowed down to match that transfer time
nice job !! I'm always impressed with your work you are definitely on the right track with the latest cell design. you stomped out air filter so fast it just made me smile :) keep up the good work.
well, its a nice idea but I thought about that ... the darn thing is made out of really cheap Chinese steel that would probably melt if I looked at it too hard ... so think I will need something a bit more substantial ...
Scarecrow, just my observation, but looks like the hho is still pumping into the carbureator while the engine is off, filling every void with hho (muffler, air cleaner box), when you attempted to start, all the overflowing hho ignited. You need to have a way to shut off the hho flow when the engine stops.
hear how when its cuts out it revs up so i'm wondering is it running to rich so to speek
JoelHarvey1 1 week ago
@JoelHarvey1 - the repeated backfires were due to lean condition - I was able to "flood" the engine by feeding it about 20lpm which was way too rich - found optimal to be in the range of 6-10 parts air to 1 part HHO ... needs to be rich to start, but once going can be leaned out - for this engine, that's about 9lpm to start and 7lpm for continuous run ...
SmartScarecrow 1 week ago
This is cutting edge stuff! I like it - your set up looks very good
davidrobert2007 1 month ago
@davidrobert2007 - well, it was close to cutting edge stuff 3 years ago when I was working with it - these days, there must be some who have taken it further - but at the time, a few us worked very hard to define just what it took to make an internal combustion engine run on HHO - hope we made at least some small contribution
SmartScarecrow 1 month ago
@SmartScarecrow Great Job. It appears that there's a small problem when you put a load on the engine with straight hho. I am building my first hho generator; will be finish mabe next week. I am planing to build a PMW also. Frommy reserch it seems that PWM helps in the longevity of the generator and the productivity. Wish me luck!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the encouragement
Del
in New Orleans
DJBF360 1 month ago
@DJBF360 - pwm will do nothing to increase production of HHO however will help keep your electrolysis device from run away overheating - in an unmodified engine, takes roughly 8-10 lpm per 100cc of displacement to get it to run at full RPM buy will only deliver about 2/3 the rated horsepower that gasoline gives - have fun with it - I sure did
SmartScarecrow 1 month ago
Crapped myself at 5:15
buckstarchaser 1 month ago
can the gap between plates be changed relative to the surface area of the plates (similar to a capacitor)? if a plate was say 20" x 20" then could the gap be greater, resulting in less gas-pockets and better overall electrolyte contact? perhaps a very long rectangular plate with several HHO gas pickups or a rail along the top and something similar to return the liquid along the bottom, improving cooling flow as well as submergibility? must b tones of gas pockets when plates are so close together
izzzzzz6 5 months ago
@izzzzzz6 - particularly with low voltage systems and stainless steel, 6 to 8 inches square is about optimal to ensure conductivity across the plate surface ... any larger and you get dead zones on the plate surface ... connecting at all 4 corners will let you get away with 12 to 18 inch square ... wider the plate gap, the stronger your electrolyte has to be ... I like to use a mild caustic so I keep plate gap to about 1/8 inch and I use voltages in the 120v to 440v range ...
SmartScarecrow 5 months ago
Sorry, 4my first response. I just wanted to say that if gas pockets are one of the biggest obstacles in the way of obtaining a better MMW then the plates being so close together would indeed be a problem, almost constantly occurring gas pockets leads2 less electrolyte making contact and less electricity passing between terminals due to the gaseous environment now within the cell, most people seem to be building similar sized cells, how about much larger plates with a much larger gap?
izzzzzz6 5 months ago
Sure the engine is not designed to run on HHO, i believe HHO explodes so violently that the reaction is over too quickly to work correctly with the timing, we can learn more by trying HHO in different types of engines such as tiny radio controlled nitro engines or old rotary engines. Perhaps the differences in efficiency will tell us a great deal, also improving the dry cell structure to avoid gas pockets will greatly help, i believe this is why so many people got better MMW with a lower voltage
izzzzzz6 5 months ago
@izzzzzz6 - convection in these devices pretty much eliminates gas pockets automatically ... bubbles do form on the plates and stick until they get large enough to be buoyant at which time they escape the magnetic attraction of the plates ... I have tried pumping fluid through these devices to eliminate those bubbles on the plates but it did not increase efficiency ... one way to improve efficiency is to eliminate the holes that allow electrical leakage between plates ...
SmartScarecrow 5 months ago
Good work pretty impressive but it's taking 2000W to run a generator which can only produce 1500W and we have seen a 400W lamp powered. I imagine that with the plates so close together there are many gas pockets, but drilling more holes can eventually only defeat the object of a dry cell, me thinks a better way to circulate the liquid between the plates would help, making the hoses in your system shorter may help a little.
izzzzzz6 5 months ago
@izzzzzz6 - the purpose for performing these experiments was to define just how much HHO is required run a standard internal combustion engine that was intended to be run on gasoline without modification ... and to determine the performance that could be expected running such an engine on HHO compared to gasoline ... if you were expected to see magic, sorry, I'm the wrong guy for that ... I was collecting baseline data ... nothing up my sleeve ...
SmartScarecrow 5 months ago
Something came off from the air filter housing and was burning. What was that?
HHOhybridBuilder 6 months ago
@HHOhybridBuilder - that was the foam air cleaner that was on fire - the blast recorded took out the muffler and the air cleaner housing
SmartScarecrow 6 months ago
@clborg88 - many years ago, I played with HHO to boost performance of gasoline - but the question remained, can an engine run on 100% HHO? if so, what are the characteristics? Those are the questions I was trying to answer in these experiments. Many are working on boost technology, but few are working on how an engine might be made to run on 100% HHO and what can be expected. So that is where I concentrated my efforts.
SmartScarecrow 7 months ago
Also Peter Lindemann has a good video on the subject: watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM
instantproducts 1 year ago
Did you see the SECRETS OF STANLEY MEYER'S WFC - Lecture 1.1 Video and so on? watch?v=YGp7hMUXjmI
instantproducts 1 year ago
@instantproducts - have seen pretty much everything published on Meyer ... have been trying to replicate his method for over 10 years ... his presentations combine science and sudo science along with words I think he made up to impress people ... in non of his presentations does he clearly describe how to replicate his process ... and as far as I know, no one has ...
SmartScarecrow 1 year ago
@SmartScarecrow Stan Meyer's multiple patents were only issued on operability.
instantproducts 1 year ago
Three things stand out to me about Meyer's design. (1) I think from what I have heard it takes around 2kv per 1mm plate distance at a frequency of 20kHz to crack distilled water using Meyer's setup. (2) Also, he used to mixed non-combustible gas from the exhaust of the engine metered to the HHO from the water fuelcell and feed the combined gas mixture to the air intake of the engine to slow the burn rate. (3) HHO is implosive; whereas, HHO combined with a non-combustible gas becomes explosive.
instantproducts 1 year ago
@instantproducts - the non-combustible gas used was ambient air ... 2kv 1mm at 20khz did nothing unusual ... but try it yourself and see ... I am not perfect and might have screwed up somewhere ... but a lot have tried and so far, no joy ...
SmartScarecrow 1 year ago
@SmartScarecrow The Meyer's concept, I believe, is to use impulse DC from the transient inductive spikes from the choke inductor to charge the water fuel cell capacitor to a voltage capable of breaking the dialectic constant of distilled water. Also, I believe that there is something very different and very special about the voltage from a transient inductive spike from a collapsing magnetic field from a coil. I believe that it is a form of cold electricity. Good luck on your experiments.
instantproducts 1 year ago
@instantproducts - have heard that theory presented but have never seen a circuit that will do it ... have tried based on many patent drawings ... much of the discussion is sudo science and in a language that sounds Buck Rogers but is really nonsense ... bottom line, there is no clear description of the method used by Meyer that a capable engineer can translate into a working gadget ... will take a stroke of luck to stumble on it ...
SmartScarecrow 1 year ago
Have you look at any of Stan Meyer's videos?
instantproducts 1 year ago
@instantproducts - yes and have attempted for over 10 years to replicate Meyer's methods ... no joy ... you know the secret, there are many of us who would like to see an operational system with clear documentation that would allow replication ...
SmartScarecrow 1 year ago
Why can't you switch from the power from the house to the power from the generator after you got every thing up and running?
captainalant 1 year ago
@captainalant - that would be a neat trick ... at the time I did these early experiments, best I could do was 1800 watts in with about 400 watts back ... in later experiments I managed to improve on that by a considerable margin but I never got back back better than 50% of what I put in ... and even that was very hard to do ... most of time was no more than 33% ...
SmartScarecrow 1 year ago
if you retime the engine to run on and explosive fuel source (hho) instead of a combustable (gasoline) you'll get much better results... no backfires and it will take much less hho to run the engine. standard gasoline engines run between 3 and 8 degreeze before top dead center, you need to get it timed at zero or even further on the down stroke. when gasoline combusts, the molicules have to be given time to break down before they'll explode... hho is already in its simplest form...
bill71183 1 year ago
wow it went boom LOL nice!! now do it again..
Video85Man 1 year ago
try a direct injection system. if it reduces the need for gasoline with a regular ICE, I wonder what will it do for you.
coquivagabundo 1 year ago
@coquivagabundo - did this last summer ... some of the other mods had to do to make the injector work were shall we say, a little dangerous ... so I made no YouTube videos showing this ... I was concerned someone might try to copy me and get hurt ... but the way I was doing it, this managed to get the performance of my system up to a point where I was able to return nearly 50% of the power required to run the electrolysis device ... without injection, I was unable to exceed 30% ...
SmartScarecrow 1 year ago
Excellent job smartscarecrow, you've been achieving a lot, just one recommendation, don't allow the hydrogen to accumulate. Thanks for your videos.
oducip 2 years ago
doh, yeah had a Homer moment there ... actually, I was worn out from pulling that darn starter cord ... I was aware that the HHO gas was still flowing and had a couple near misses earlier in the day ... but the violence of the mishap that took out the air cleaner and muffler caught me a bit by surprise ... all part of the learning experience I guess ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
I've just started my research on HHO, so please forgive me if 'm missing something... Supposing you had a 2000kW generator being turned by a 10hp Briggs Stratton or Honda motor, wouldn't the amount of HHO supplied by the dry cell be adequate to run that (resulting in OU?). Is 4 liters per minute no enough? I am desperately trying to find an alternative to my $500 power bill (though I don't know how it could be that high as we don't run anything other than 4 laptops and keep the heat at 70).
sgtjasonshrout 2 years ago
@sgtjasonshrout - I am certainly not going to tell you ot to try ... but I can tell you that in the experiments I have documented here on YouTube, the best performance I have shown is 1800 watts of energy into the system, and 250 watts of energy out ... a deficit about 1550 watts ... since then, I have done a little better but still a long way from anything near OU ... you need 1 lpm for every 10cc of engine displacement to do what I have shown ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
You do a great job at explaining all this.
deets94 2 years ago
I hope and you find the way to keep it steady for a long time that way you could feed the same power to itself.
serch142 2 years ago
I have run the generator on HHO continuously for periods as long as 72 hours without a break ... however, I think that powering the generator off the fuel it is able to make will remain out of reach for quite some time ... best I can do any day of the week is to return about 20% of power consumed ... have seen 50% but that performance is not replicated so not yet valid ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
2100W input 400W output :|
It sounds very lean, probably good idea to get one of those under sparkplug thermometers or exhaust temp probes the go-kart guys use.
mentalozy 2 years ago
exhaust temps when under 33% load running on 100% HHO at a 5:1 air to HHO ratio was 235F ...
and we did eventually get the performance up to the point where we had to use 1200w of input energy and were able to draw 600w off the little generator ... took a lot of tweaking and fiddling to get it there and its very hard to repeat at that level ... but at least 2 others have been able to repeat ... so for now, that seems to be upper limit until we figure out how to break the next barrier ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
Great work.
Does your HHO generator have neutral plates?
If so, what is the purpose of having neutral plates?
Why not just alternate positive and negative plates?
Just wondering, as I want to build a HHO generator myself to have a good cutting torch.
Thanks.
SirFelix377 3 years ago
does it have neutral plates? yes, a lot of them. the device is powered by 120vAC rectified to DC. Each neutral plate causes a voltage drop. I connect at plate #1 and plate #72 only. Plates 2-71 are all neutral plates. This permits me to get the average voltage per plate gap into a range that is sane. As a rule, you want to shoot for 2v per plate gap. The more voltage, the more neutrals required. Otherwise you make steam not HHO.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Thanks for the reply.
But, I have another question. Do the neutral plates also generate HHO? I would assume so, but I don't know much about it yet.
Thanks.
SirFelix377 3 years ago
yes, neutral plates do make HHO ... its really not neutral, its more like bi-polar ... its shows a positive face and a negative face ... the electricity is conducted through the fluid ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Thank you sir,
I am going to try and make a HHO generator because I want to have a HHO torch. I will also rectify 120vac to 120dc to energize the plates. I appreciate your help and your efforts. I will post a video of my construction.
SirFelix377 3 years ago
go for it ... you will want somwhere between 60 and 72 plates ... positive on one end, negative on the other and a whole lotta neutral plates inbetween to get the voltage under control ... for a really sweet torch, shoot for about 4-8 liters per minute ... you can get a decent torch with as little as 2 lpm, but an 8 lpm HHO torch kicks some serious butt !!!
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
i would say that this is a fake video because there could be many things on that generator that could be modified especialy that fuel shut off valve. Not to be cruel or anything but thats my take on the video.
ehpower2 3 years ago
well, you are of course entitled to your opinion ... however, there is much additional footage and I am not the only one doing it ... there is no magic ... the engine is running on 100% HHO gas ... it is what it is ...
now many have gotten confused about what I am doing ... no, the generator is not powering the electrolysis device ... the electrolysis device is being power off 120vAC rectified ... this may be the source of your confusion ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
hrmm what is your gas out put usualy those generators suck a good amout of gas when you put them under a load. Can you show us a vid of what is inside your contraption i dont think it could even supply a generator let alone an engine
ehpower2 3 years ago
I can make it idle with 3.5 lpm ... runs full tilt 3500 rpm at about 9 lpm ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
hrmmm do you have a video that shows a gauge that proves that it can produce that much gas. According to my math that hho generator is too small for that engine. My math shows that that unit should roughly produce about 1/4 less of the gas that you claim that that unit shows. Not to say that your a lier or anything just curious
ehpower2 3 years ago
I posted a video a while back where I filled an inverted 3L juice jug in 20 seconds ... and that was not running at full tilt ... this is not rocket science ... my device has nearly 12000 square inches of surface area in some configurations ... more when I power off 240vAC ...
in normal trim, it weighs nearly 65 lbs ... 22 gauge steel plates .. 316L ...
I am not the only one doing this ... I have published everthing ... many videos ... nothing to prove here ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
this play list might be what you want to see ...
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SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
i wish i could beleave your video
in reality it would require about 400 lpm
to do what you did i have done extensive
testing and i want you to tell the world how
an engine at those rpms can have its cylinder to fill in thousanths of a second
with even .25 liter sof gas ,are you one of those hho scam agencies. thats a 500 watt light folks you can dam near run 10
liters a minute on that using am air flow gage that is and they are rong. hed be fkn rich
if he wasnt a fkn liyer
NOBOX7 3 years ago
with 400 liters per minute of HHO, I could run a 4 liter engine, at idle ... not at full tilt though ...
not sure how you developed your numbers ... but this little engine is only 90cc or there about ... when we tried to feed it 20 lpm, we flooded it out ... it really did not want to take more than about 12 lpm it seems ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
my electrolyzer is constructed of 8"x8" plates .. I used between 65 and 150 plates depending on how I will power it ... to run the generator, I feed in between 1000 and 1800 watts of energy to produce the gas needed ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
so close
timgebhart 3 years ago
this one was just the warm up ... by November of last year our team was getting it done even better ... at this point, we are painfully close to getting a test system like this actually self sustain ... and we are working with primitive test gear that has less than a 20% system thermal efficiency ... the most efficient piece of the puzzle right now is our HHO device ... if we had NASA's budget we would be there ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Nice cell. I made a HHO cell that powered small lawn mower and it worked good, but the cell himself needs lots of energy. My question, is it possible to generate power for the HHO cell with the same generator that is powered by HHO cell? Greetings from Estonia...
foursoulz 3 years ago
no ... that would be a neat trick to pull off ... I am not sure we ever get there ... but many would be surprised at just close we are ... I consume 1800 watts, the generator puts out 1200 watts ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
I really like your cell, very very much, but the engine has a slight click sound which is a small backfire before the valve closes. I really hate being a critic, but I'm a really fine mech of 45 years hands on engines, jets, ordinance, custum building hot rods, and refinary fabrications, from gold to suds, and that engine is popping out the trottle at every stroke, just be carful not to run it too long that way, your doing a fine job, nice flash back arrestor, lets you know your in trouble, no?
Crozbyguy 3 years ago
I did the ignition/valve timing thing on the one I worked with a couple years ago ... so this time, I decided to try a different approach ... I have been experimenting with methods of slowing the HHO burn ... that and quantifying the fuel air ratios that work best ...
the engine I am using is totally inadequate for use with HHO and was purchased as a sacrificial lamb ... I am amazed it has held up this long considering the torture I have put it through ... good little engine ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
good footwork too!
did you ever try leaning the hho a little?
an aqurium pump into your bubler will probly reduce the explosive efect without over leaning the gas and i beleave it will still be flamable enoph
davidrrrd 3 years ago
in these tests I was looking at just HHO and ambient air ... wanted to come up with a fuel to air ratio that I knew would work for base line comparison to other gas mixes ... since this, I have tried CO2, argon and nitrogen ... once I get my closed loop exhaust/intake working as planned, I will also be trying helium ... but it aint a competition ... if you got data on other gas mixes, share them and save me some time !!!
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
there we go you reved it up in the 3rd vid :P kewl
attpureownpk 3 years ago
the volume of HHO gas provided to the engine and the idle speed settings were being adjusted between each sequence of videos ... this is rather boring to watch so I cut out a lot of the "increase gas volume, adjust screw" stuff that was going on ... basically, I was trying to determine how little gas I could get it to run on, and how much it would take to get it to run well ... answer is 6 lpm runs it, 9 lpm runs it well ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
It may not have been in the script but I saw it coming the moment I saw you go to restart knowing HHO was flowing the entire time.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
yeah, I know ... my hindsight is 20/20 also ...
but the fact remains, I have now shown anyone interested that it can be done and provided instruction on how to do it ... even gave some entertaining hints on what not to do ... so yes, this I think was one of my better videos ... glas you enjoyed it ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
You have to make the generator power the cell you just have to!!!!
mvlady 3 years ago
we are so close to being able to do that, it hurts ... if only my electroyser were just a bit more efficient, or the engine, or the alternator ... I am dealing with fairly primitive gear here ... the sort of stuff most anyone can get ... and I am only short about 15% of being able to do as you ask ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Hmm have you tryed Stanley Mayers version of fuel cell? he sais he got an engine running on it.
mvlady 3 years ago
many are trying that one ... yes, I have been there and failed ... perhaps someone smarter than me will figure that one out ... I press on with what I know works ...
the big problem is poor efficiency of the cheap little Chinese made gasoline engine and the attached alternator ... combined, they have a thermal efficency of less that 30% ... my electrolysis device is by far the most efficient piece of the puzzle ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Yea but from i heard of is that he somehow replaced the sparkplugs with something that produces hydrogen and that just wont get in to my head how he did it
mvlady 3 years ago
like a dummy I let gas build up at a very high output volume ... that same incident also blew out the muffler ... I did an Epilog video about a week after this where I show and discuss exactly what happened ... but the short answer is, I learned a valuable lesson in safe handling of the gas ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Very encouraging! What you are doing is very similar to my goal of getting a genset to run on hydroxy and then using it to recharge a battery pack in an EV. I like your methods and thoroughness. Don't let the naysayers get you down. I like the Boyce style cell. Did you find 1.5VDC was not enough to sustain brute force electrolysis? Keep up the great work.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
1.5v per gap just did not cut it for me ... I think if I had been able to get the Boyce inspired electronic enhancments to work, I might just have pulled it off, but I was unable to make that part of it work as planned ... for 120v operation, I have settled on 65 plates as the sweet spot ... after much experimentation, I am starting to like a 2mm plate spacing also ... but I am running this setup on 240v from time to time so 110 plate configuration still comes into play sometimes ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
I also found that 2VDC minimum is needed to sustain brute force electrolysis. People forget this when replicating Bob's setup. 1.5VDC only works in resonance, in which different rules apply than brute force.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
how many watts is the variac pullin from the house though...
IRISHPRIDENINJUH 3 years ago
its a 120v 20 amp Variac, so its maximum is about 2400 watts ... and to get the engine to run at full speed, I was pulling everything the variac could give me ... I built a 20 amp fuse into it and I did pop the fuse a few times doing these tests ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
disregard that previous comment...I see you did that
radarman01200 3 years ago
Why dont you take the fuel line completely off so as not to invite criticism?. It looks like the like or the petcock could be supplying fuel.
radarman01200 3 years ago
yeah, this was pure laziness on my part ... when I finish a run on HHO the engine has water, water, everywhere ... in the crank, in the combustion chamber, even in the valve train ... so I like to run it on gasoline for about an hour or so to get it good and hot as a means of evaporating all the water out of the system ... but my arch rival D3 out on the west coast presented me the same challenge you did, so I went ahead and removed the fuel tank for the sceptics ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
See, it can work. What I am doing is legitimate. I will find success and my goals will be reached. It's only a matter of time before this problem is solved. Meanwhile I will keep enjoying my 20% increase in economy. So no matter what names and accusations you throw at me, I will not be daunted one bit. Scarecrow, Smack and others like me are showing guys like you that there is a better way.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
well, you aint seen nuthin' yet ... dont want to give away too many secrets, but my technique has improved a tiny bit since this video was released ... the best is yet to come ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Right on, bro. I have a new design that is putting out 7LPM to a 6.3 KW genset. This is enough to idle (no load) the 10HP B&S. At 7LPM I'm using 12KW. So I'm halfway there, and every time I retry I get closer. Your Boyce style cell is more efficient. Maybe your experiment will work better with a larger genset?
EletrikRide 3 years ago
run the numbers on my setup as shown in this video ... 1800 watts in, 400 watts being drawn by the shop light, net cost 1400 watts ... 3.5hp engine ... thermal efficiency of engine about 18% ... nobody has noticed it yet ... not many physics majors on YouTube I guess ... but that's ok ... the new config has a few surprises that anyone with eyes should notice ... can you say, "suck my tailpipe, if you can find it?" hehehe ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Right. I did notice this, which is why I mentioned my project. ZeroFossil fuel is up to the same thing. There is and has been proof that this stuff works. When I reach this goal, you can believe me I will be stuffing it down some throats. Forget 20%. I will be recharging a battery pack with an onboard genset to power an EV. My tailpipe will be an inch in diameter and emit nothing but heat and water vapor.
Hydrogen for the future!!!!!
EletrikRide 3 years ago
when you get right down to it, why even bother with a tailpipe ??? why let all that nice juicy heat and hot water get away when it could be put right back into the reaction to take another ride ??? besides, so much HHO gets past the rings (scarry how much) ... so if you vent your crankcase and your exhaust in such a way that none of it gets away from you, you end up able to do more with less ... anyway, that's what it looks like is happening ... will know more soon and will publish results ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Now you are starting to sound like Stanley! But hey - why bother with a piston engine? Why not utilize the amazingly efficient Tesla turbine to spool up a generator/alternator? Like you said, piston engines waste some 80% of the energy put into them.
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EletrikRide 3 years ago
hehehe ... in many ways, we think alike ... next time we run into each other, beer on me ... we can sit around and lie to each other about our exploits with stong women and stronger booze ...
and I have tried the Tesla turbine ... works, but no torque. think need something with teeth. but the pulse jet was wild !!!
by the way, the ICE running on HHO is a radio transmitter ... spectrum analyzer says its all over the dial ... very interesting phonomena ... lots to study ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Interesting.... but you should not be surprised. Accessing the zero point energy field with a reciprocating piston engine would transmit pulsed signals - each one being propagated every time the combustion takes place. wonder - does the frequency match the RPM?
EletrikRide 3 years ago
cant tell yet ... need better insturments ... stuff I have is vintage 1960's ham radio gear ... with modern gear might know more ... am working on it ... tight budgets here ... have to do much with little ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
The Gov is funding small businesses. Deadline is 11-20
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Suggestion here. The light will run a lot better if you bypass all the hoses, pipes, and contraptions and just plug directly into the extension cord. :)
MK10000b 3 years ago
LOL ... yeah, darn, why did I not think of that ... thanks man, you saved me lot of aggravation with that suggestion ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Seriously though, I'm new to exploring these ideas and thankful for people like you that have put so much time into trying things. How much HHO have you seen anyone get out of 12 volts? What could be accomplished with an inverter on an auto setup to increase mileage? Is it even worth the aggravation? I have seen a lot of videos out here so far, but you are one of the few I have seen that is actually having success making large volumes of HHO. Is it because of the increased power supply?
MK10000b 3 years ago
best I can tell you is try it. some are getting really good results, some are getting nothing. most get some modest gain. in most cases, its the steam produced by poorly designed devices that really cause the mileage gain as the volume of HHO produced is too low to have impact. I like using an inverter and rectified AC because I can use thinner wire but it comes down to watts. takes a lotta watts to make enough gas to do the job you seek. not impossible though. how bad you want it ???
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
It is already being done. A Japanese company is using a cylander of hydrogen and injecting water into the engine as the hydrogen is igniting. The water is vapourised by the igniting hydrogen and as it turns to vapour which provides the expansive force to push the piston. Like an internal conbustion steam engine. This still doesnt get around the production on demand problem. There's no way the alternator can produce enough power for production on demand, you would need a stored energy source.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Running an I.C.E. on pure HHO is an extremely waistfull exercise. I would estimate that you would get back somewhere less than 72% of energy put in to produce the HHO. The rapid ignition of the gas would mean that it is only pushing the piston with expansive force for a very short percentage of its power stroke and the piston would infact be generating a vacuum by the end of its stroke.
It would be better to use the HHO to suppliment a lower grade Hydrocarbon fuel that is cheap or even free.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Your agrument is well made and in general is accurate. I am conducting baseline data gathering at this point in preparation for something a little different. Suppose you took that carbon based gas you make in your carbon plasma chamber, perform a fairly accurate mix with just a touch of HHO along with a cool water mist, and hit it all with a rather high energy ignition source ??? what do you suppose might happen ??? we shall see ... stay tuned ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
I am working on a system to store and use the HHO safely and more efficiently. Progress is slow as I dont have the time required to spend on it. In my opinion we need to get away from energy in the form of gas as it is too complex and dangerous to store and production on demand is not easily possible. If you were to add HHO to the gas from a carbon cell you would increase its volitility but also render it dangerous to store as you are putting free oxygen back into the mix.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
agreed ... some progress has been made recently in creation of synthetic natual gas as an on demand fuel source ... HHO will also be on demand ... water mist to moderate the burn ... plasma spark ignition ... no stored gas ...
no idea yet if it will work as expected ... and though I too have little time these days to pursue my experiments, I have to know if this will work ... so I intend to give it a try at some point in the near future ... maybe before the first of the year ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Yes fine droplets of water via an ultrasonic fogger would greatly benifit your HHO system as the fine droplets would become vapour very quickly adding the expansion needed.
Still production on demand would not be possible without some other fuel source. Have you heard of using a Gallium Aluminium alloy to produce Hydrogen on demand. Using scrap Aluminium this may be cost effective and the gallium can be reused again and again in the system.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
I am familiar with that method of hydrogen production and have experiemted with it on the bench. So far, have not figured out a way to control the reaction so have not considered it practical. But agree that method requires a lot more investigation. But like most, I have limited time and money to devote to my experiements so often have to choose carefully where to apply my resources ... have to take current path to end of road before heading off on another journey ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
To control the reaction of Gallium Aluminium and water all you need to do is control the amount of water in contact with the alloy. However as the reaction only gives off hydrogen gas (no Oxygen) there is no problem allowing the reaction to occur in a pressure vessel like a gas cylinder. The Hydrogen produced will pressurise itself inside the cylinder and by using a normal gas regulator and valve you can regulate the gas supply on demand.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
@ChrisPCrunchy I believe you have a good point Chris, just thinking about it, HHO burns very fast, the explosion is suddenly over, a combustion engine is designed for a slower explosion, also generally i have been noticing that people say HHO works better with diesel engines, perhaps it's a good compromise or perhaps a diesel engine benefits more from having that kick at the start of the explosive cycle? Anyone?
izzzzzz6 5 months ago
@izzzzzz6 - HHO can stand very high compression - problem with a diesel engine is lack of spark ignition - the compression of a diesel is desirable but even that compression is not adequate to ignite the HHO so a spark will have to be fitted somehow - have seen some experiments related to this and the results looked pretty good - but in the end, to run on 100% HHO will require an engine designed specific to the unique character of the fuel
SmartScarecrow 5 months ago
teh770 here. The generator will run much better if you set the timing to 2-5 degrees top dead center. Hydrogen burns a lot faster than gas. Would like to see how you built the second spark arrestor I need one.
teh770 3 years ago
Setting timing to retard is a known method. I am working on something different. Am trying to modify the burn rate of the HHO to get to burn at a rate closer to gasoline. We shall see. Can always work the timing issue if this fails.
The flash back relief was made for me by one of the EBN guys to test. Its a simple device made of PVC fittings, a mouse ball and a spring. Not perfect, but pretty darn good.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
check out my video on the spark/flashback arrestor...it works very well...I agree, TDC will run much better..also check to make sure you don't have waste spark...FYI..good job...lovin it...
hydrobenman 3 years ago
I cant use a flash arrestor that presents any sort of flow restriction and get done what I need to do ... I tried that and it just did not work for me ... the "ball on a spring" setup is more appropriate for what I am doing here ... no restriction at all, but it releases the energy impulse reliably when there is a flash back ... works and its simple ...
the flash backs are more a matter of over lean air:hho mix, not waste spark or timing related ... once the mix was right, it ran fine ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Im an RV tech. Ill keep in touch if I get a chance to salvage a 3000 watt inverter/converter combo. sometimes the converters in these combo units go out and you have to replace the entire unit. Ill give it to ya for free if you pay the shipping ok?
drstrnglov
fixmyrv 3 years ago
you're on ... keep me in mind if such a thing should fall off a truck somewhere ... would be a fun toy to play with ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Well Done!! I see that you are running 120vac from the house to the cell. Have you thought of using or building a variable inverter and a bank of batteries to power 150vac to the cell. Then using a battery charger from the genset as a load, and to keep the batteries charged?
Just a thought.
drstrnglov
fixmyrv 3 years ago
that has come to mind ... problem is, I simply cannot afford the price of a 3000 watt inverter right now ... but it is on the punch list for as soon as I can stand the price of such a thing ... think I may end up trying similar to your suggestion using an old UPS I have laying about that will need some refurbishing first ... but its only 1800 watts so not enough to make the gas required to run the genny ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Hi new to all this. Is there a way to use hho and water in a geet engine.Then the last bit of carbon in the geet engine(ie petrol mixed with the water)would be replaced withh hho.Good to see someone doing it properly great Vids
phgt40 3 years ago
that would be an intersting experiment ... but I have no idea if it would provide any gains ... I am headed down a different path ... is it possible for you to explore this possibility ??? one guy can only do so much ... we need more builders and experimenters trying some of these idea ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Working on it...
BikoHatna 3 years ago
Ooops! Need to clarify that last comment.
Using a geet reactor to convert the used crankcase oil mixed with a small amount of alcohol, Then at the intake add HHO. The fuel (oil/alc mix) Will run until next oil change.
Never having to use gasoline again, and only a small amount of alcohol. If I could get water to mix with oil then perhaps no alcohol...
BikoHatna 3 years ago
am familiar with that technique ... it works ... just a shame to waste good corn liquor in an engine ... breaks my southern heart to think of it ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Actually I'd keep the corn (special) and use other plants that are much higher producers like artichokes, range grasses,Cattails- (actually the highest producers and they clean up sewer ponds in the process) and if you can find the seeds, good old great big sugar beets!
Remember very -small- amount of alcohol:)lots of HHO
It's very easy to get a Alcohol fuel license.
BikoHatna 3 years ago
Do you have any idea of the RPM of the generator at Idea and or full speed? im trying to get an idea of what ratio's of HHO to Air are needed to run ICE. Thank You for all your work Roland
Yourfishman 3 years ago
at idle it was running at 600-900 rpm on between 5 and 6 lpm of HHO ... at full speed, it was running at 3000-3500 rpm on about 9 lpm of hho ... a 2000cc 4cy engine can be run at idle on about 100 lpm ... at full speed it would probably need about 400 lpm or so but would run at maybe 5000 rpm ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Could we see some data on power consumed by electrolyzer compared to that of petrol. Id like (and im sure you'd like) to see how well it fares in cost to using fossil fuel.
Hedphelym 3 years ago
not sure how to present that data ... can tell you that to get a 3.5 hp, 90cc, 8:1 compression gasoline engine to idle properly on HHO, it takes between 5 and 6 lpm of gas ... with my device, this requires about 1000 watts of energy to produce ... to get that engine to run at its full operating speed requires about 9 to 10 lpm of gas ... with my device this requires about 2000 watts of energy to produce ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
What LPM do you need to run this engine on HHO?
Slattery819 3 years ago
I finally got it to idle steady using about 1000-1200 watts of electricity to produce about 5-6 lpm ... but I had to push the electrolyser to about 2000 watts and produce nearly 10 lpm to get it to run at full speed ... am not done yet ... will be another couple months before we see if it can be refined further ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
now try running a small car engine on pure HHO
gamerboi777 3 years ago
that would be easy to do ... would just have to make a lot more gas ... I am making about 10 lpm at max output ... if I was making about 100 lpm that amount, should be able to run a pretty good sized auto engine ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
looks pretty good! It would be kool if you could power the hho cell
with your 3.5hp generator
gamerboi777 3 years ago
so far, best I have been able to do is 2000 watts input to the electrolyser to get the 3.5hp engine running at full speed ... best I might be able to get out of the generator is about 1200 watts ... so that is not likely to happen ... the engine is just not efficient enough ... if the 3.5hp engine was half as efficient as the electrolysis process, what you describe would be possible ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
I know this sounds silly, but have you tried starting the generator on gas and using the gen to power the electrolyzer, then turn off the fuel and runn just on HHO? Also here is a link to an alternative fuel that you can make at home. If you used the HHO to feed air through the nebulizer, and this alternative fuel as the misting agent, you could probably use a small storage tank to reserve some HHO pressure and could start the gen with no gasoline at all, and use the gen to power the cells. FREE
FarleysINC 3 years ago
So far, I have found that I need to consume about 2000 watts of energy to make enough HHO gas to run the engine on the generator at full speed. The generator can only provide 1200 watts continuously, so this leaves me about 800 watts short of where I need to be to make the HHO off the power generated. But I am not finished improving the system yet.
Never try to store HHO, particularly under pressure. Its very dangerous. The gas is highly explosive.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Sweet Vid scare,
Man u Need a keyed/pullrope on off switch 2 turn that gas off then start :) hahah or wait a few after cutting the HHO, until it dissipates in that filter housing, then maybe re-try starting after you turn it back on for a second. Man.. All that HHO/min gathers quickly it appears looking at that blast wow..
You probably know this, when Zero messed with his lawmower? he got rid of the dual waste second spark removing it it might get rid of first backfire yu seem to get 2?
moreoverunity 3 years ago
If moderating the burn rate of the HHO cant get it running a little better, I will indeed go after timing and waste spark. But I used that technique a couple years ago. So I am trying something different this time.
The backfires are caused by over lean mixture. Once the burn rate of the HHO is moderated and the air:hho mix is steady at 5:1, both the timing and waste spark issues should not be a problem. At least that is the working theory on this go around.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Maybe you already covered this elsewhere, but I'd read about using a toroid coil in the HHO generator to create parahydrogen for slower burning gas in addition to the regular orthohydrogen. Would that apply to this situation?
HHO2Burn 3 years ago
You are talking about a Bob Boyce setup. Most of that stuff is way over my head.
Though I have experimented with these enhancments. I think my device has a litte too much surface area. Or maybe I screwed up the toroid. Or maybe I messed up on the electronics. Or lord only knows what other mistake I might have made. But I could not get it to work with this setup.
Will try again on the next one I build which will probably be a good bit smaller.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
fantastic job SC looks very familar. im in the midst of moveing but im right there with ya buddy kudos
pi3573 3 years ago
I wondered why had not seen anything new from you in a while ... get back to work, slacker !!!
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Regarding slowing the burn. Didn't I see somewhere the Stanley Meyer fed some of the exhaust back in to slow the burn.
Don't ask which orfice I pulled that out of.
autos432 3 years ago
yes, Meyer did use exhaust gas recirculation and that is one of the techniques I will implement ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Wow! I just got through reading that yesterday.
it had a certain geet sound to it. That's one thing that Paul's system did very well. I was also thinking of trying alcohol as it burns so much slower than gas and you would need so little.
as to efficiency NICCO out of japan makes a nice rotary 80cc that is close to the 50% you mentioned. Just not allowed to market in the USA. about 8 to ten HP. a second injector away from the plug with inert gas you can cntrl brn rate per cycle. can't on piston
BikoHatna 3 years ago
I can tell you that with the equipment I am using right now, if I had an 8hp engine of 80cc capacity that was 50% efficient, I could spin a generator head and have an excess of energy after powering the electrolyzer. That is how close we are as a bunch of back yard experimenters. The energy revolution is a 50%efficient engine away from being a reality.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Beautiful!
Rotamax rating,
BSFC is .55 lbs/HP-hr in any application or series
Very very close. they will be coming out with a 100cc but I couldn't find out HP or specs yet.
Air cooled is all I know.
As an inert gas wouldn't caster oil like R/C motors use also lube and slow burn? I think it would assist sealing around the rings and keep water out of the crankshaft? not sure how it would mix with hho though...
BikoHatna 3 years ago
to get the HHO to carry with it a small quatity of a liquid mist, I may sneak off with one of my wife's perfume atomizers and pray she dont miss it ... castor oil is on the list of things to try as is distilled water, corn oil and a couple other common products with similar properties ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
doctors use something called a nebulizer.
(Spelling?) and a place called young living sells some. I have a friend that made one and it puts out oil vapor mist for over three minutes with only a teaspoon of oil and a very small amount of pressure. if interested let me know, you probably already have what you need though, certainly cost effective ...well until your wife catches you!
BikoHatna 3 years ago
Great video!
Have you altered the ignition timing in any way?
bornman88 3 years ago
not at all ... the only modification so far, is a stainless steel 1/4" quick connect tube fitting mounted to the plastic spacer between the carborator and engine intake ... only after all other modifications are completed, will I work to modify timing ... it may turn out to not be required once the other mods are in place ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Very nice. You guys stay safe. I like the way everything is published on youtube. It is inspiring me very much. I am not in a position financially to experiment otherwise I would. Positive progress, nonetheless. As for slowing the burn rate of hho down to gasoline, how would this effect be achieved? any reference material on it? I am trying to fully understand all of this before i get my feet wet and that sounds like sticking a square peg in a square hole. Any prototype hydrogen engines coming?
thasickest 3 years ago
the techniques for moderating the burn rate of HHO are similar to those used to moderate the burn rates of other flamable materials ... if there was clear documentation on how to do it, it would already be done ... we're working on it ....
the method favored is mixing the HHO with inert gases and/or water vapor ... you dont want steam as it has already expanded ... water vapor can absorb a lot of energy and expands well ... think internal combustion steam engine ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
along the lines of moderating or modulating or actually cooling the burn rate of HHO have you seen the video(s) of the Chinese guy with his 6 cycle (possibly 8?) engine where he alternates HHO (1st 4 cycles) with water (next 2 or 4?) which flashes to steam to cool the HHO burn. Not sure how this would be achieved without a major modification but still seems like a good idea.
CliffKFF 3 years ago
had not seen that one ... will go looking for it ... but sounds complex ... with complexity there is normally inefficiency ... a 2-cycle diesel is being examined as a possibility ... getting the HHO fuel to carry lubricant is a problem but oil injection might solve that ... many things are being explored ... more eyes on the problem would be a good thing ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
What did you change between the your last video and this one? Amazing accomplishment and keep having fun!
jackbrisco21 3 years ago
All three videos were done during the same session. Ran the course of a long 10 hour day. Purpose was to find the minimum amount of gas required to get the engine to run. Then the amount required to get it to run well. My system is easily tuned through a pretty broad range of output flow volumes. The answer is 6 lpm got it run, 9 lpm got it to run well.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
like steam injection? or those supersonic foggers that people are using for better gas mileage?
thasickest 3 years ago
I am not a fan of steam as it has already absorbed considerable energy ... I want something that will absorb the energy from the HHO combustion and expand slower than the HHO ... so a cool water vapor is attractive ... and yes, I have a couple of them pond fogger gizmos I am playing with right now ...
some of you guys are guessing the next steps ahead of the script ... slow down !!! let the others stay caught up with this installment before we jump the gun on them ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
the burn rate is decreased by leaning the hho mixture out, hydrogen will brun from 7% mix to 93% mix with o2, the closer to that 7% you get the slower it burns, the energy has to travel further from h to h with less h in the gas. pure hho burns to fast to transfer its expansion energy into a piston, its fighting inertia, energy takes time to transfer, so the reaction needs to be slowed down to match that transfer time
d3adp001 3 years ago
nice job !! I'm always impressed with your work you are definitely on the right track with the latest cell design. you stomped out air filter so fast it just made me smile :) keep up the good work.
zeropointfuel 3 years ago
yeah, now I am happy my wife dragged me to those dancing lessons ... never know when a newly acquired skill could come in handy ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
if the gas tank is cleaned out you could use it as an electrolite resivour since your unit is so electrolite hungry...just an idea...Great work...
hydroxydude 3 years ago
well, its a nice idea but I thought about that ... the darn thing is made out of really cheap Chinese steel that would probably melt if I looked at it too hard ... so think I will need something a bit more substantial ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
well, dont disconnect from the grid just yet ... but have hope ... it may be possible sooner than some would like ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Scarecrow, just my observation, but looks like the hho is still pumping into the carbureator while the engine is off, filling every void with hho (muffler, air cleaner box), when you attempted to start, all the overflowing hho ignited. You need to have a way to shut off the hho flow when the engine stops.
withwhatyouhave 3 years ago