I am guessing the zen master mind is actually on the plane of archetypes. So what he says does not make sence for normal folks. Since hes mind does major leaps and is having a hard time explaining such leaps in realtime for people that minds take small steps. It all makes perfect sence to the zen master. True truth is a mental object on that plane. If he would descend and resume normal thinking he could use the inspiration to make some great philosophy.
"Fear a savage dog-find a savage dog"All you experience - these are arrangements and creations of the 'thought structures' ( think of a forest of trees) instllled (planted) in the fields of your mind by your life time of perception and interpetation of events experienced. All these "trees" or thought structures tap into emotion with out which they have no reason to exist. The more you "visit"these trees, the more they are nourished. Stop visiting. Observe from the now. Free your self.
and when you sit,just sit. with no concept of "doing" zazen. doing it right or getting something out of it. You can't gain that which you already have; truth, enlightenment. This is in the tradition of Suzuki, Katagiri. Thanks!
@TibetKanagawa Obviously...if I wasn't speaking in concept you wouldn't under stand what I was talking about. Also your "Zen Master" makes absolutely no sense at all. You can try and say he is speaking wisdom but you are wrong. If some one is speaking without concept they are speaking nonsense you cannot deny that....Concept is a great tool for communication and understanding of this world.
@ZachTommyGunThompson If you think I am here to convince you of something, then you are mistaken. The point is you missed the point. Obviously "the obvious" is obvious.
@ZachTommyGunThompson conceptual thought is arbitary. Look at a cup. Where is the "cupness"? In the handle, the base? In the ceramic? The answer to these is no. Even if you reduce it to the atomic level, or even sub-atomic level, you will find that the atoms themselves are empty. In a very real sense the cup does not exist, but at the same time it does, because it is dependent on someone consciously percieving it as existing. According to quantum physics (see Schrodinger's Cat)...
@RochecousteML weird as this sounds, objects do not actually exist unless we percieve them. This is very weird, but quantum physics appears to share some common ground with zen on this one.
@RochecousteML Nope. Awareness is already right here and now. It doesn't 'come' from somewhere, or from 'insight into fundamental reality' as you put it. The way you say it is as though you got to have 'insight' first, then awareness. That's incorrect. When you do meditation, then awareness will be heightened, and with the mind's penetrative concentration, we contemplate phenomena and activities to be in accord with the 3 Dharma Seals.
@aloozer I think you and I both know that, "comes" is the most appropriate verb in English. There's a saying in Zen, "Zazen (meditation) is a cave of demons." What do you think of this?
we should seek and read more of various teachers, not just 1 and our own teacher. i surmise that different teachers have different levels of awakening or enlightenment.
@TibetKanagawa Some teachers may have only realised the "I AM" realisation, some others have deeper realisations like 'non-dual' and 'Anatta'(emptiness).
@aloozer With all due respect I must disagree with you. Every teacher has specific methods, and if you "dharma shop" you will end up confused. For example, if one teacher teaches you vipassana, and then you run off to a Tibetan lam-rim session, followed by a zen sesshin, you won't master anything.
@RochecousteML Buddhism is about liberation, it's not that if you go 'dharma-shopping' that you'll get confused. Is 'dharma-shopping' or liberation the objective? I choose the latter. Personally, I'm all for Theravada's path(vipassana). If one were to choose and walk the Theravada's path, I doubt he/she would do Tibetan style lam-rim or even dzogchen. That's just plain dumb because it just goes to show how confused that practitioner is.
@aloozer Apologies, I clearly made an inference that was not there. Even so, I assume that if you go from teacher to teacher you have a specific reason for doing so.
@RochecousteML There are clearly different stages one has to 'attain' on the Buddhist journey to liberation(even though 'attain' is not an appropriate word to use since it implies accumulation). Otherwise, there's no difference between Buddhism and other religions(no need to name names). Some teachers may talk about Presence/Awareness/"I AM" realisation(Eckhart Tolle), but nothing at all about Anatta(1 of the 3 Dharma Seals by Gotama). Also, the '4 stages of enlightenment' from wikipedia.
@aloozer returning to my original statement, their training methods are different. vipassana mindfulness training for example, is quite distinct from zen practice.
@aloozer OK. In vipassana they focus on continual mindfulness, while in zen/mahayana this is not the case. Zen/mahayana do not do this because the ulitmate reality is formless. Sorry to disappoint you, but I CAN'T TELL YOU about the technique because I have had a dharma transmission and I am not supposed to say! Anyway, one major difference is among Mahayana is purification (chanting & repentance), as opposed to the moral discipline of Theravada.
@RochecousteML It's ok, I am not disappointed as I have no expectations of you. However, if you think that you don't have to maintain awareness/mindfulness, then you're probably deluded in your practice. Awareness/mindfulness coupled which comes along with meditation, will, over time, be automatic. It won't be something co-erced or forced or something that you 'do', it becomes effortless instead of effortful. That's an important distinction to make.
@RochecousteML and as for ultimate reality, there's no Theravada or Zen ultimate reality. The nature of ultimate reality is anatta or emptiness. Note that it's not a reified Self as taught in another religion, but there's simply no Self at all in ultimate reality. Shunyata (Emptiness) means whatever appears are empty of independent or inherent existence, be it a sound, a form, or any other phenomena.
@RochecousteML even if the zen method is different from Theravada's vipassana, the common ground is that both meditations still have the element of de-construction. To see that the 3 dharma seals are apparent in all phenomena, activities, mental and material. This is what will lead to un-bind and loosen the bonds of inherency which causes suffering and attachment.
@RochecousteML Furthermore, if you were to find out more about Zen, their zazen is more or less the same as sitting meditation(Theravada). Meditation is meditation, although the objects of meditation may differe(some use tip of nose, some focus on the point few inches below and behind the navel, etc). In total there are more than 40 objects one can use to meditate on. Meditation has to be done by oneself, wisdom cannot be conferred by another guru or teacher no matter how many one goes to.
@aloozer You are making quite a big assumption that I don't know this or that! Meditation is one thing -- their approaches to awareness are very different indeed...to the extent you cannot mix the two.
@RochecousteML Erm, I didn't assume you didn't know this or that, please restrain yourself. I didn't point out or say words that you didn't know. I was just stating my points that's all. Let me restate myself, meditation is meditation, i have never mixed the two(yet what is the other that you're saying i'm mixing it with?). Meditation is meditation, it doesn't matter I wear a saffron robe or the robe that your teacher wears in this video(no disrespect to him).
@LawOfActionReaction a fool is someone who seeks to fulfill desire... desire here is to end with the punchline... meditation means pray, and is prayer, "true meditation" is prayer itself.
A zen philosophy once entered my head.. his name was taisen deshimaru, his two books were edited by philippe coupey, the names were, sit, and The VOICE of the VALLEY
@Doyalwcheese swimming is realization, against the good current it is difficult, with the current you hit a rock, behind the rock you do ZAZEN and eat the things which pass
@mazhpereira 1. what energy? 2. why do you want to give everything up? if you have it, its alright, you can give it up, you can keep it. why do you think its necessary? 3. there is nothing to "learn" (he was talking about the 'concepts', you should have listened more carefully)... more of... to 'unlearn' the wrong way of thinking. or start to think the very very wrong way, to actually see that the previous way of seeing things, was the right way and that you couldnt realise it.
Gran Secreto, otro de los grandes secretos guardados por los maestros , de maestro a maestro,,,, ¿Cuál es? Esa risita, sí si, se ríen y ellos solos saben,,, y uno además de tener que entender lo que está diciendo siente que es un verdadero tonto/a ya que no comparte esa risa o disfrute... Sí Sí gran maestro, humilde y sencillo. No sé por qué pero al final del video terminé compartiendo la risita sin sentido!!!! Gran Enseñanza
maybe it's just what i want to see, but zen masters always seem so humble. it's refreshing to me coming from a culture where everyone is trying to prove others wrong and exalt themselves... thank you for these videos!
one thing though, could you add subtitles to these videos? there's so much background noise, it's hard for me to hear his words.
Thank you for your comment. Jinen-san is indeed a remarkable and humble man. I must apologise for the sound quality. The first two videos were test runs. I will be soon interviewing Jinen-san for new videos.
Good observation. This is because a zen master is able to guage where others are at, sees their progress upon the path they are following, and encourages them to make progress for themselves. A zen master understands that nobody began life as a zen master. :)
@TibetKanagawa powers? see-- you wish do miracles but you are not able to, some spiritual or enlightenment masters they could do but they are not going to ,they don't have to lose energy for spiritual ''traps'' they don't have to proof anything to anybody. doing miracles you attract followers like magnet ,they are not the best disciples ,plus miracles creates religions ,some masters are religion destroyers.
@TibetKanagawa I didn't miss the point. The point is that Zen is letting go and relaxing...
ZachTommyGunThompson 1 week ago
I am guessing the zen master mind is actually on the plane of archetypes. So what he says does not make sence for normal folks. Since hes mind does major leaps and is having a hard time explaining such leaps in realtime for people that minds take small steps. It all makes perfect sence to the zen master. True truth is a mental object on that plane. If he would descend and resume normal thinking he could use the inspiration to make some great philosophy.
Jonzen77 1 week ago
@kuciaotopi There are English subtitles. Just click the CC button beneath the video.
TibetKanagawa 1 week ago 2
I having a hard time understanding what shifu is saying. . . @.@
kuciaotopi 1 week ago
"Fear a savage dog-find a savage dog"All you experience - these are arrangements and creations of the 'thought structures' ( think of a forest of trees) instllled (planted) in the fields of your mind by your life time of perception and interpetation of events experienced. All these "trees" or thought structures tap into emotion with out which they have no reason to exist. The more you "visit"these trees, the more they are nourished. Stop visiting. Observe from the now. Free your self.
Aluminata 1 week ago
I'd like to hear his message but I'm a typical American; no patience. It's too hard to make out his words with the background noise and his accent.
bthor76 2 weeks ago
@bthor76 There are English subtitles. Click the CC.
TibetKanagawa 2 weeks ago
and when you sit,just sit. with no concept of "doing" zazen. doing it right or getting something out of it. You can't gain that which you already have; truth, enlightenment. This is in the tradition of Suzuki, Katagiri. Thanks!
69torus 2 weeks ago 7
@69torus Thank you for your comment.
TibetKanagawa 2 weeks ago
@69torus when you are 'going to sit' you already want something out of it
pauloudevrielink 1 day ago
I'm totally new to this Zen concept. What I have taken from this is if you clear your head and don't think in concept than that is Zen.
ZachTommyGunThompson 3 weeks ago
@ZachTommyGunThompson Yes that's true, but doing that is very difficult!
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
@ZachTommyGunThompson I can't deny what you say, but what you say is a concept.
TibetKanagawa 2 weeks ago
@TibetKanagawa Obviously...if I wasn't speaking in concept you wouldn't under stand what I was talking about. Also your "Zen Master" makes absolutely no sense at all. You can try and say he is speaking wisdom but you are wrong. If some one is speaking without concept they are speaking nonsense you cannot deny that....Concept is a great tool for communication and understanding of this world.
ZachTommyGunThompson 2 weeks ago
@ZachTommyGunThompson If you think I am here to convince you of something, then you are mistaken. The point is you missed the point. Obviously "the obvious" is obvious.
TibetKanagawa 2 weeks ago
@TibetKanagawa
Hahahahahahaha....
JayP66775 3 days ago
@ZachTommyGunThompson conceptual thought is arbitary. Look at a cup. Where is the "cupness"? In the handle, the base? In the ceramic? The answer to these is no. Even if you reduce it to the atomic level, or even sub-atomic level, you will find that the atoms themselves are empty. In a very real sense the cup does not exist, but at the same time it does, because it is dependent on someone consciously percieving it as existing. According to quantum physics (see Schrodinger's Cat)...
RochecousteML 1 week ago
@RochecousteML weird as this sounds, objects do not actually exist unless we percieve them. This is very weird, but quantum physics appears to share some common ground with zen on this one.
RochecousteML 1 week ago
Awareness comes from insight into fundamental reality. Read the diamond sutra.
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML Nope. Awareness is already right here and now. It doesn't 'come' from somewhere, or from 'insight into fundamental reality' as you put it. The way you say it is as though you got to have 'insight' first, then awareness. That's incorrect. When you do meditation, then awareness will be heightened, and with the mind's penetrative concentration, we contemplate phenomena and activities to be in accord with the 3 Dharma Seals.
aloozer 3 weeks ago
@aloozer I think you and I both know that, "comes" is the most appropriate verb in English. There's a saying in Zen, "Zazen (meditation) is a cave of demons." What do you think of this?
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
that gentleman has a beautiful head
lowdownshakinchill 1 month ago 7
@lowdownshakinchill Indeed, he does!
TibetKanagawa 1 month ago
we should seek and read more of various teachers, not just 1 and our own teacher. i surmise that different teachers have different levels of awakening or enlightenment.
aloozer 1 month ago 4
@aloozer Of course.
TibetKanagawa 1 month ago
@TibetKanagawa Some teachers may have only realised the "I AM" realisation, some others have deeper realisations like 'non-dual' and 'Anatta'(emptiness).
aloozer 1 month ago
@aloozer With all due respect I must disagree with you. Every teacher has specific methods, and if you "dharma shop" you will end up confused. For example, if one teacher teaches you vipassana, and then you run off to a Tibetan lam-rim session, followed by a zen sesshin, you won't master anything.
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML Buddhism is about liberation, it's not that if you go 'dharma-shopping' that you'll get confused. Is 'dharma-shopping' or liberation the objective? I choose the latter. Personally, I'm all for Theravada's path(vipassana). If one were to choose and walk the Theravada's path, I doubt he/she would do Tibetan style lam-rim or even dzogchen. That's just plain dumb because it just goes to show how confused that practitioner is.
aloozer 3 weeks ago
@aloozer Apologies, I clearly made an inference that was not there. Even so, I assume that if you go from teacher to teacher you have a specific reason for doing so.
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML There are clearly different stages one has to 'attain' on the Buddhist journey to liberation(even though 'attain' is not an appropriate word to use since it implies accumulation). Otherwise, there's no difference between Buddhism and other religions(no need to name names). Some teachers may talk about Presence/Awareness/"I AM" realisation(Eckhart Tolle), but nothing at all about Anatta(1 of the 3 Dharma Seals by Gotama). Also, the '4 stages of enlightenment' from wikipedia.
aloozer 3 weeks ago
@aloozer returning to my original statement, their training methods are different. vipassana mindfulness training for example, is quite distinct from zen practice.
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML do explain how different is it? whats the zen method?
aloozer 3 weeks ago
@aloozer OK. In vipassana they focus on continual mindfulness, while in zen/mahayana this is not the case. Zen/mahayana do not do this because the ulitmate reality is formless. Sorry to disappoint you, but I CAN'T TELL YOU about the technique because I have had a dharma transmission and I am not supposed to say! Anyway, one major difference is among Mahayana is purification (chanting & repentance), as opposed to the moral discipline of Theravada.
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML It's ok, I am not disappointed as I have no expectations of you. However, if you think that you don't have to maintain awareness/mindfulness, then you're probably deluded in your practice. Awareness/mindfulness coupled which comes along with meditation, will, over time, be automatic. It won't be something co-erced or forced or something that you 'do', it becomes effortless instead of effortful. That's an important distinction to make.
aloozer 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML and as for ultimate reality, there's no Theravada or Zen ultimate reality. The nature of ultimate reality is anatta or emptiness. Note that it's not a reified Self as taught in another religion, but there's simply no Self at all in ultimate reality. Shunyata (Emptiness) means whatever appears are empty of independent or inherent existence, be it a sound, a form, or any other phenomena.
aloozer 3 weeks ago
@aloozer Call it what you like.
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML even if the zen method is different from Theravada's vipassana, the common ground is that both meditations still have the element of de-construction. To see that the 3 dharma seals are apparent in all phenomena, activities, mental and material. This is what will lead to un-bind and loosen the bonds of inherency which causes suffering and attachment.
aloozer 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML Furthermore, if you were to find out more about Zen, their zazen is more or less the same as sitting meditation(Theravada). Meditation is meditation, although the objects of meditation may differe(some use tip of nose, some focus on the point few inches below and behind the navel, etc). In total there are more than 40 objects one can use to meditate on. Meditation has to be done by oneself, wisdom cannot be conferred by another guru or teacher no matter how many one goes to.
aloozer 3 weeks ago
@aloozer You are making quite a big assumption that I don't know this or that! Meditation is one thing -- their approaches to awareness are very different indeed...to the extent you cannot mix the two.
RochecousteML 3 weeks ago
@RochecousteML Erm, I didn't assume you didn't know this or that, please restrain yourself. I didn't point out or say words that you didn't know. I was just stating my points that's all. Let me restate myself, meditation is meditation, i have never mixed the two(yet what is the other that you're saying i'm mixing it with?). Meditation is meditation, it doesn't matter I wear a saffron robe or the robe that your teacher wears in this video(no disrespect to him).
aloozer 3 weeks ago
truth is giving free chuckles from time to time :)
aseekercalledraphael 1 month ago 4
Wow, are there any more videos of him?
belshazer 1 month ago
@belshazer More coming!
TibetKanagawa 1 month ago 3
stop zen dream !
SuperOwni 1 month ago
@LawOfActionReaction a fool is someone who seeks to fulfill desire... desire here is to end with the punchline... meditation means pray, and is prayer, "true meditation" is prayer itself.
Doyalwcheese 1 month ago
Thank you very much. Very encouraging.
Dragon33304 2 months ago
@Dragon33304 You are most welcome.
TibetKanagawa 2 months ago
A zen philosophy once entered my head.. his name was taisen deshimaru, his two books were edited by philippe coupey, the names were, sit, and The VOICE of the VALLEY
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
Truth is not God, God is beyond truth.... chukai!
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
Truth is beyond compassion beyond reality beyond fact beyond zazen
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
i do zazen, i walk down the street sitting
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
@Doyalwcheese Good.
TibetKanagawa 2 months ago
my spiritual name is haramitayso, this is true, my realization is haramitaysosyatimarah...
one being learning the other "being the truth"
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
i cry when someone hurts me, i cry when someone dies.. i'm a fish, true is my enemy
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
@Doyalwcheese swimming is realization, against the good current it is difficult, with the current you hit a rock, behind the rock you do ZAZEN and eat the things which pass
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
like your truth?
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
truth is between fact, beyond time, beyon the integral, or the interval of life or like
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
truths has many forms, yet truth is one
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
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you have to do.. you have to be, the truth simple: is exist
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
you have to do.. you have to be, the truth simple: is exist
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
zazen is living
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
meidtation is practicing truth, or facts
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
concept is interval, conceptual is integral, truth is beyond integral, it is intervals
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
finding realization is difficult only in the finding, realization itself is truth
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
truth is the truth without true... im a zen master myself, i wander i do not have to wear robes to be living nirvana! face that
Doyalwcheese 2 months ago
Thanks for the subtitles! I hope that you put the subtitles for the second part! Thanks!!
tigery94 2 months ago
Thanks for the subtitles!!!
tigery94 2 months ago
Regardez bien ces mains :)
cabochard76 2 months ago 2
Subtitles would be really awesome here.
taostoner1 2 months ago
@taostoner1 Subtitles are now available, in English. I hope that helps you.
TibetKanagawa 2 months ago 2
HOW CAN I LEARN THIS? I have no problem in giving erverything up to go and learn this ... energy
mazhpereira 3 months ago
@mazhpereira Who is you? or "I" as you put it?
utube2344 3 months ago
@mazhpereira If you are interested, I would be happy to put you in contact with Master Jinen.
TibetKanagawa 3 months ago
@mazhpereira 1. what energy? 2. why do you want to give everything up? if you have it, its alright, you can give it up, you can keep it. why do you think its necessary? 3. there is nothing to "learn" (he was talking about the 'concepts', you should have listened more carefully)... more of... to 'unlearn' the wrong way of thinking. or start to think the very very wrong way, to actually see that the previous way of seeing things, was the right way and that you couldnt realise it.
tomek92pl 2 months ago
It would be greatly helpful if you can add subtitles. Thank you!
adokaditya 3 months ago
thank you
MrMarktrumble 4 months ago
Gran Secreto, otro de los grandes secretos guardados por los maestros , de maestro a maestro,,,, ¿Cuál es? Esa risita, sí si, se ríen y ellos solos saben,,, y uno además de tener que entender lo que está diciendo siente que es un verdadero tonto/a ya que no comparte esa risa o disfrute... Sí Sí gran maestro, humilde y sencillo. No sé por qué pero al final del video terminé compartiendo la risita sin sentido!!!! Gran Enseñanza
mujeresbudistas 4 months ago
@mujeresbudistas perdona, pero no entendi tu mesnaje. Me lo puedes repetitir? Gracias por tu tiempo..
wardogmobius 4 months ago
August Turak talks of the red hot cannon of zen. Is his karma missing?
bezelbub2010 5 months ago
@banzaiiish He will stay where he has always been.
Jaboie 6 months ago
@banzaiiish
When water boils and evaporates in steam to become a cloud, do we say the water dies?
elusionfilms 6 months ago
maybe it's just what i want to see, but zen masters always seem so humble. it's refreshing to me coming from a culture where everyone is trying to prove others wrong and exalt themselves... thank you for these videos!
one thing though, could you add subtitles to these videos? there's so much background noise, it's hard for me to hear his words.
amn3h23h2 7 months ago 11
@amn3h23h2
Thank you for your comment. Jinen-san is indeed a remarkable and humble man. I must apologise for the sound quality. The first two videos were test runs. I will be soon interviewing Jinen-san for new videos.
TibetKanagawa 7 months ago
@TibetKanagawa ok, i look forward to them :)
amn3h23h2 7 months ago
@amn3h23h2 When you know who you are and are not, humble will be your nature.
Jaboie 6 months ago
@Jaboie but in buddhism there is no self. one cannot know that which does not exist. :)
amn3h23h2 6 months ago
@amn3h23h2
Good observation. This is because a zen master is able to guage where others are at, sees their progress upon the path they are following, and encourages them to make progress for themselves. A zen master understands that nobody began life as a zen master. :)
TaelurJamez 3 months ago
@TaelurJamez Very nicely put.
TibetKanagawa 3 months ago
@trakomako All people posses the same power, maybe he has learned to control his body, to the paramount of calling it Chi, but he is a mere human.
happiglad 9 months ago
@trakomako Do you have supernatural powers? A kettle can make water different.
TibetKanagawa 9 months ago
@trakomako He is what he is, nothing more and nothing less.
TibetKanagawa 9 months ago
@TibetKanagawa powers? see-- you wish do miracles but you are not able to, some spiritual or enlightenment masters they could do but they are not going to ,they don't have to lose energy for spiritual ''traps'' they don't have to proof anything to anybody. doing miracles you attract followers like magnet ,they are not the best disciples ,plus miracles creates religions ,some masters are religion destroyers.
tomekville 5 months ago
@tomekville I think you are meant to be replying to Trakomako, not I (Tibetkanagawa). I am not looking for any miracles.
TibetKanagawa 5 months ago
Amazing! Thank you
Haliotro 1 year ago 12