This whole non-agression pact only really makes sense to conversatives because they only look at things from their side of it which happens to be how it's explained. I see merits in it, but I have a feeling that it's just neoliberalism all the way. Like in Wisconsin they seem to be able to force by destroying the government and selling it piecemill.
@HoGraz What? I used to be a Democrat. The idea of non aggression made sense to me. It makes sense to people on all sides. I don't think you understand what you are talking about.
@atchisrj1 Of course the idea is a great one. Maybe it's better than the shit we have. That doesn't mean though that we need to ignore everythign democrats and others on the left have to say. Having a mixed economy is a good thing because when the economy screws up because of the mistakes of a few people others on the bottom don't suffer as much.
@HoGraz Other things like communications mergers and destroy our institutions so they can have a corporate free for all. We need public universities, public libraries. At least with the concept of the public realm we have some say in our lives. Protectionism is a way to control corporations. Without it they control us. That's important. Now do I like the CIA no, but you see where I'm going.
@HoGraz I have no problem with States and/or communities running these public Universities and, Libraries. I have a problem with the Federal government dictating a one size fits all approach. I want the state universities to compete against each other and privately run institutions too. That is the key to innovation. As far as a mixed economy goes. I'm not sure what you mean by mixed because we have a Fascist economy now. It is far from mixed. It's debt based and, that can't last long.
@atchisrj1 "Don't tread on me." Just kidding haha. You have some good points. I think yea it'd be optimal if things were jingoist anymore. We definitely have a mixed economy still, but that doesn't mean it's not fascist at all. Things can coincide together. I don't trust the capitalists to allow us to live our lives unless we really participate. On another note for this guy to say that Fascism is only a little bit more to the right than the left is insane. It's definitely more to the right.
@atchisrWait what?That's not what I heard.I'll have to watch it again.Either way it's a pretty decent video.There's a lot of confusing propaganda about the idea on youtube.Where did you get your info
@atchisrj1 Hmm. I don't know how I feel about the History channel. You know the media has been closed in on since Colin Powell's son became chairman of the FCC. I'd have to say I personally have felt
@atchisrj1 >>that they show stuff on the History Channel that sorta keeps people watching TV to find stuff out rather than following culture on their own. They also really like War but that may just
@atchisrj1 be becauase of the Greatest Generation being the biggest viewer audience. Course History is nothing but War really. I just don't trust anyone on TV much anymore.
But it suffers some flaws. Like who are going to build the roads, the schools, the bridges?
And corporate power WILL never agree on getting rid of government. Neither will the majority of the population. It's pure fantasy.
Again, people want freedom. But how can you assure me freedom from corporate tyranny in a libertarian society. Who protects the atmosphere and the drinking water in this Lib paradise?
@eddiemaxblack You just described anarchy not libertarianism. This is the problem I have you have not researched the subject and are simply just regurgitating what others have told you.
Yes it is. To appeal to another man's sense of goodness you have to speak in collectively agreed upon terms. Language is a form of collectivism. We both have to agree on the meaning of the terms before we can argue.
What I am trying to say to you is that if laissez faire capitalism is the judge of value then why are you condemning con artists? Lets say we both agree that global warming is nonsense. Still, a lot of people go to Whole Foods and buy organic stuff and drive Prius's. You say it's based on elitist snobbery, well so is the ownership of Rolex watches and Rolls Royces. By the way why are you attacking elitists? Isn't it the goal of a good capitalist to join the elite?
You say global warming is a fraud? Well for a fraud it sells well. Therefore according to the laws of basic laissez faire economics it is justified. No one is compelled to buy books written by Al Gore just as no one is compelled to join the Roman Catholic Church. If the school you go to makes you read Earth in the Balance or the church you belong to makes you read the Bible you may remove yourself from that institution. Just as you can quit working for Burger King if you don't like your boss.
In this day and age millions of people were misled into believing Saddam Hussein was connected to the perpetrators of 9/11. In this day and age people believe commercials where celebrities blatantly lie about their supposed love for a certain commercial item. In this day and age authoritarian religious movements fleece their followers and send them into violent wars. Selfishness is a form of self deception. John Galt is a lonely person who can't feel without a sense of domination fed by anxiety.
The only way ridiculous philosophy like pure laissez faire capitalism can be maintained (after the aftermath of the Great Depression and the failure of Reaganomics) is through constant fraud and state sponsored terror. It's like your advocated theocracy in the era of iPads and jet airplanes. Laissez faire doesn't work no matter how you try concoct a strategy for it. Eventually all of the disenfranchised by it attack it and overthrow it. The only way you can prevent that is by gestapo tactics.
All morality is based in collectivism. You argue that capitalism is moral, has advanced society and benefits everyone. That is a collectivist argument. You have contradicted your own arguments. You are trying to appeal to everyone. If you were truly anti-collectivist you would have no scruples joining one of those shadowy conspiracies that you seem to hate. If a selfish man felt there was a conspiracy that ran society he would join it--not attempt to expose it right?
Actually environmentalists have been justified by independent scientific research. Ayn Rand herself was blinded by her narcissistic selfishness into believing that the idea that cigarettes caused cancer was "a collectivist conspiracy". The EPA, while not perfect, has made life better for Americans. The Great Lakes, being surrounded with industrial manufacturing centers were once extremely polluted. After state EPA regulations were enforced they have become cleaner.
In this day and age businessmen still lie and engage in reckless behavior. Socialist environmentalists and labor unions have been persecuted in countries that were supposedly "socialist". Why would Communists repress them if they collectivist fellow travelers? The anti-Communist Solidarity movement in Poland was based in a labor union. Environmentalists in Czechoslovakia were key supporters of the Velvet Revolution because of the pollution caused by the reckless Communist government.
Human progress hasn't come through indifference or selfishness. Innovation is held down when selfish forces find the lack of progress beneficial to their interests. For example it is not in the interest of the managers of the oil industry to expand research into renewable resources. Therefore they halt progress out of their own selfishness. Selfishness is the reason the Roman Catholic Church forced Galileo to recant.
The human species has survived due to mutual aid. That is what society is. Selfishness produces indifference. The selfish man does not endanger his own welfare by decrying corruption. A selfish man would take advantage of that corruption to serve his own well being. Self interest is different from selfishness. It is in the individuals self interest that he is informed by environmentalists of the dangers of products. It is in the worker's self interest that he is represented by labor unions.
If consumers do not have access to information they can't hold businesses accountable (as I illustrated to you with the con artist example). The same thing goes for workers without union representation. Environmentalists provide the public information about irresponsible agencies just like the Better Business Bureau does. Labor unions provide representation to employees and keeps management responsible. There is a difference between selfishness and self interest (vide Bonhoeffer's maxim).
@perdondaris In this day and age if someone does not have access to information it is because they do not wish to have such access. The thing with unions is they force you to join. I have no problem with people voluntarily joining unions what I dislike about them is forced membership. Environmentalists movements are one of the biggest frauds out there with the global warming fraud being one of the worst. Selfishness and self-interest are one and the same.
No, that argument doesn't suffice. Various anti-market forces like labor unions and consumer groups prevent fraud. The environmentalist movement is based on confronting the fraud of polluters (whether it be the government or private agencies). Non-market forces hold the market accountable. Labor unions hold management accountable and consumer regulatory groups (like environmentalists or human rights groups) hold private agencies accountable. Selfishness is irresponsibility.
@perdondaris Consumers hold businesses accountable. Through the internet "We the People" have a powerful tool to keep businesses and markets honest and accountable. Pollution is not fraud, it's pollution. Taking money from people saying you are going to clean up pollution and then buying a yacht would be fraud. The environmental movement perpetrates fraud all the time. They funnel money to Eco-terrorists I would call that fraud. DDT has never been proven to cause harm. The scare tactics...
@perdondaris cont.- used to get it banned was fraud on the part of the environmentalists. Good science proved tobacco smoke to be harmful not some "whistle blower". And, at what great risk was there to the people that said it was harmful? I have heard of non. And what is wrong with selfishness? I practice selfishness every two months when I donate blood, it's selfish because I hope that if I ever need blood I hope it will be available. There is nothing wrong with selfishness, it is a trait...
Have you ever heard of Ralph Nader? "Good science" was repressed and attacked by selfish men who put their profit margins ahead of the truth. This is the nature of greed. Selfishness has prevented progress. Scientists like Einstein and Jonas Salk investigated out of intellectual curiosity, not personal gain. Selfishness produces indifference and is ultimately self destructive. Ayn Rand is a perfect example of this. Her selfishness made her a very nasty person to be around.
@perdondaris cont.- that helped to propagate our species. Selfishness is a good quality in the end. It was selfishness that lead to all of our technological advances. Ford didn't build the automobile to improve humanity, he did it to make money. Selfishness leads to innovation.
Here is where I find trouble right off the bat with right wing libertarianism (market libertarianism). It doesn't matter whether you are talking about a private individual or a multinational corporation. That is the issue of fraud. For example con artists. If I sell you real estate in Florida and tell you it is valuable beach front property. You buy it. You go see your new property and find out it is swampland. No harm: it was a free and voluntary transaction right? Wrong, it is fraud.
If one person owns everything that is forcing you to join them. As in one person or group controlling all the resources necessary for life. Freedom means more than "my way or the highway" or "not in my backyard". It means that everyone who lives in a community has equal say in how the community is run. It doesn't mean everyone has to do the same thing or look or act the same way as in some authoritarian dystopia.
@perdondaris I see that we will most likely not find a common ground here but, consider this. Through a Libertarian system every individual is free to own his or her own means of production and, has the right to choose how and what to charge for their services. That is hardly authoritarian. I agree that a community has finale say on what transgresses in said community and how. If somebody doesn't like it they can vote with their feet and go were they do like it.
@atchisrj1 I would like you to answer how you would deal with the problem of fraud in a totally market based society? Saying it would not happen if we had completely free markets is not a sufficient answer. Con artists perpetrate their schemes through fraud but without coercion. The victim buys the product voluntarily. To think that an unlimited free market will solve this problem is unrealistic.
@perdondaris Fraud would still remain a crime in a free market because the person perpetrating the fraud is still victimizing someone. The government was unable to prevent Bernie Madoff from committing the fraud he did. We can only punish after the crime was committed in any system. As for your "beach front Florida property" example; that is fraud but, if somebody is dumb enough to buy property without first looking at it then, remember the old saying "Let the buyer beware"? Lack of personal...
@atchisrj1 The reason someone isn't "dumb enough" is because of consumer protection agencies. The reason someone isn't "dumb enough" to spray DDT on their kids is because of environmentalists. The reason someone isn't "dumb enough" to smoke cigarettes is because of whistleblowers who (at great risk) pointed out the corruption of tobacco companies. Selfishness does not lead to responsibility. A selfish man does not risk his own welfare to point out injustice and fraud. He'll try to profit off it.
@perdondaris cont.- responsibility is not an excuse for more government involvement in the marketplace. It is demonstrably unrealistic to think that a government can solve an issue with more laws.
@Bluedog309 The video itself is a complete avoidance of why people equate Libertarianism/Fascism, since, as he admits, he doesn't give a rats ass about the history of where it came from or the real world results of the system. He just makes an absurd claim that just because he isn't marching in jack boots and wearing a swastika persecuting jews, that therefore, libertarians are not fascist.
@Amiduffer Just because your head is firmly fixed inside your ass does not mean that mine is sluggo. You don't understand Libertarianism nor Fascism. That's the problem you are ignorant just as bluegog309. You both need to shut the fuck up since you lack the intellectual honesty to even attempt this debate. You are a sad person indeed.
@atchisrj1 "Debate", how laughable. Your definition of debate is either we kiss your ass and worship at your feet, or you're going to pour slander, abuse on us and our relations, question our sexual orientation, and harass us endlessly.
@Amiduffer You are laughable. You didn't offer anything that is useful or had anything to do with the video. You just quote mined and lied about what Libertarianism is. Not all Libertarians are for the Austrian school. But yet you choose to paint with a wide brush. You are a fag indeed.
Fag: An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person.
Just in case you needed a reminder as to the proper definition.
The reason I oppose right wing libertarianism is that laissez faire capitalism is an authoritarian economic system. Ownership of property (whether it is human labor, natural resources or the product of human labor) exclusive control. I am not a statist socialist. I believe the best system is the democratic control of resources at the local level so that each member of the community is represented (federalism). Any society which excludes people from representation is tyrannical.
@perdondaris That is better. I support Libertarianism on a federal level because it allows those on the local level to do whatever they want. Instead of forcing all the people to be the same Libertarianism allows individuals and groups to do whatever they feel is best for them. You are assuming that Libertarianism is a system force when, what it truly is a system that allows for voluntarism. If a group wants to live in a socialist society then they are welcome to form that community.
@perdondaris cont.- So long as they are not forcing others to join them. That is also the idea behind a Republic, a confederation of individual States, each of which has sole power over itself. The reason that all are joined together is for defense of each other and of the whole.
@Bluedog309 Now you are in my yard fuck head. The reason there is no population problem is that there is so f'ing much uninhabited space. Remember dick-face you are the one that claimed that there is a population problem and then did not explain it so, calling the pot black when you are the kettle is a show of your own ignorance. Get a clue.
I see you cannot answer my criticisms. You only choose to insult me to protect your own failure of debating me on the ideas. Instead of debating my ideas you choose to attack me personally. I entered this youtube debate because of the books written by Jonah Goldberg, Glenn Beck and Ayn Rand imputing that socialism is fascism. There is fraud in unchecked markets (just as there is fraud in unchecked government). The market no more rewards morality and intelligence than government bureaucracy.
@perdondaris What the fuck is your problem? This video is not about markets moron. You want to argue something other then what this video is about well, okay you go ahead and do that and, I will continue to point out how retarded you are acting.
First lets clarify ideas. Right wing anti-statism is known as laissez faire capitalism. Libertarianism is a qualifier for a type of socialism. The free market is organized and run by humans (who set prices) just like the government makes laws. Charity is not capitalism. Entrepreneurship doesn't equal innovation. L. Ron Hubbard was a very successful entrepreneur. He was also a great fraud. Capitalism is an authoritarian economic system maintained by force and slick Madison Avenue propaganda.
I am referring to your laissez faire system of governing society. Laissez faire doesn't work because it fosters irresponsibility and fraud. When you concentrate power into a few people and a bureaucracy that manages their property for them you will get the same results as Soviet Communism and European Fascism. I agree, it's not the same system, it's just a different colored cat for the same results. China has moved towards a laissez faire economic system (and ditched socialism for nationalism).
@perdondaris Backpedal much? The idea behind libertarianism is shared responsibility by choice not force. Most people are good and when all people have social and economic freedom they will do good work though charity and entrepreneurship. Your characterization of a free market is disturbing.
Is liberty banning privately organized groups? Union workers have better pay&benefits than non union workers. Your complaint that some people don't want to join a union to work in their profession. Well, then find a non unionized profession. It's a free country. If you don't want to deal with the UAW then find another employment than manufacturing cars.
@perdondaris Boohoo cry me a river. Unions are better payed, no shit! You also know that government contracts only go to Union workers right? The law shuts out non-union workers and, that is immoral. Why should I be forced to join a union just for a paycheck anyway? You said it, it's a free country so, why can't I be allowed freedom to choose? Are you scared that most Americans will choose not to join? And, why don't you stay on topic bud? It isn't that hard.
@perdondaris Boohoo cry me a river. Unions are better payed, no shit! You also know that government contracts only go to Union workers right? The law shuts out non-union workers and, that is immoral. Why should I be forced to join a union just for a paycheck anyway? You said it, it's a free country so, why can't I be allowed freedom to choose? Are you scared that most Americans will choose not to join? And, why don't you stay on topic bud? It isn't that hard.
There are colleges and universities that do not practice political correctness. If you tell me that you don't like institutions that practice political correctness then from a libertarian stand point don't go to those institutions. There are plenty of private schools in America that have scholarships for poor students who want to attend them. Plenty of those private schools practice censorship as bad or worse than public schools.
@perdondaris What the fuck are you talking about? You babble like an incoherent drunk freshman. I am not talking about schools nor did I ever hint at them. If you can not stay on the subject of the video then, stop commenting in the first place.
Fascism and capitalist libertarianism share a common bond. Herbert Spencer, who coined the term "survival of the fittest" was the intellectual founder of both libertarianism and Nazi eugenics. It wasn't Darwin but Spencer who came up with the idea that individualist competition or struggle was the basis of progress and civilization. Both fascism and libertarianism are reactionary ideologies looking towards a mythic golden age when men were free (before political correctness or worker's rights).
@perdondaris "Fascism and capitalist libertarianism share a common bond." Yeah they are both political philosophy. As for Spencer as being the founder of Libertarianism and Nazi eugenics is laughable. A book by Richard Hofstadter called Social Darwinism in American Thought 1860-1915, is what you are truly referring to when you say Nazi Eugenics. That book was a hostel critique of Spencer's work and, misrepresented the ideas of the man. That you refer to that is a sad and ignorant on your part.
@perdondaris All political philosophies are reactionary. Libertarians use the ideas of the enlightenment in order to carve out a better tomorrow. I never once said that we have ever had a "golden age when men were free" You speak out of ignorance and that is a breeding ground for hate. Political correctness is just another name for censorship. A means of shamming those you disagree with into remaining quite. My disdain for it is evident and I am not ashamed of that.
@perdondaris As for "workers rights" all workers have a right to the fruits of their labor just as an employer has the right to determine for themselves for what reason they hire, fire and, what to pay. That is Liberty.
The statement you provided "Libertarianism is not Fascism" is accurate but amateur. Although if you cannot understand that fascism is almost always a grassroots rural based populist movement then whatever else I say will fall on deaf ears. You are on the right track but confusing yourself with isms and ideologies. I understand your disillusionment with the two party system but it will always be that way in America no matter if the name changes.
@pneumatictrousers I guess you didn't understand the video in the first place then. It was a mater of giving the definitions of each. That is not amateur in the least.
Hold on, I don't need to justify how I make my videos to you.
@atchisrj1 Offering a dictionary definition and actually knowing and understanding politics, economics, and history are very different. Merely scratching the surface does not entail the depth necessary for grasping these topics. The world is a complex place and cannot be reduced into another false dichotomy. Realize, that I am not here to disrespect you and support you in your learning and growth process. I'm sure your responses would greatly improve if you did a bit more research first.
@atchisrj1 The only video I would post on Youtube would be related to art, science, and technology. Generally speaking, when I finally got a grasp on history, economics, religion, and politics (which took years!) I came to the conclusion that in many ways it was a waste of time. It's much more liberating to study science and create something using my hands and imagination than opining on the woes of the world man. That is what made America great instead of being a tool of reactionary propaganda.
@pneumatictrousers Well then, stop commenting on this video then. If you think it's a waste of time, like you said then... Do something more constructive like keep you mouth shut when it comes to the subject. Crawl back into your hole and play with yourself you smug, self-righteous, d'bag.
@pneumatictrousers Well then, stop commenting on this video then. If you think it's a waste of time, like you said then... Do something more constructive like keep you mouth shut when it comes to the subject. Crawl back into your hole and play with yourself you smug, self-righteous, d'bag.
@atchisrj1 You asked me a question and I replied. Nearly every comment you have offered fellow Youtubers has been a reactionary response. If you are that insecure, defensive, and can't handle any criticism whatsoever then why post here in the first place? No one is obligated to agree with you. The fact that you resort to insulting anyone who does disagree with you only shows that you are on the losing side of the argument.
@pneumatictrousers I never asked anyone to agree with me asshole. All you did was insult me to start with so perhaps you are the problem. Good day to you then.
@atchisrj1 I apologize for calling you an amateur as that was unnecessary of me I realize. That doesn't detract from the observation that it appears you may need to work on your anger and lashing out at any person who disagrees with you. /end
Nearly every fascist movement was a grassroots populist movement that had its roots in rural regions. You need to read more instead of blabbing about stuff you know very little about.
Lemme guess, was this posted and created with vampiressondaprowlq in mind? lol. She's not in the tags; you should probably add her since she's pretty much the forerunner of invoking Godwin's Law against libertarians/market anarchists/Austrians.
The Austrian school was created by the Hapsburgs and the British Empire (a dictatorial system if there ever was) against the American System in Germany, and the modern equivalents in the spokesman for the financial system (American Enterprise Institute, etc) that is imposing austerity on the population in order to bail out the financial bubble. The same as the bankers who installed all the Fascist dictators back in the 20's and 30's in order to impose austerity when their bubble blew then.
The austrian school was founded by Karl Menger and Bohm Bawerk. the school as it is known today mainly follows the tradition of Ludwig Von Mises, who actually fled austria to escape the rise of nazism.
@SecularNumanist Menger was a personal teacher to the Hapsburg monarchy, a most ruthless and dictatorial system. Do you find it a funny paradox that Mises' movement was bankrolled by the same financial interests that installed all those fascist dictators in power.
@SecularNumanist The Austrian school is for oligarchical private financial interests to rule above nation-states as they're doing right now to the US and Europe just as von Hayek preached.
@SecularNumanist Read his teachings, or have you even bothered to do that? Of course Rothbard was for eliminating nationstates, they get in the way of the (his employers) speculative looting schemes.
He was against the nationstate for the same reason Spooner was, the same reason all anti statists before him had been. Because it was a violent monopoly on force that deprived men of the full product of their labour.
And yes, actually. Ive read many essays by Rothbard, and ive read his book on the great depression.
Austrians have been one of the -very few- "capitalist" schools of thought that have -openly- spoken out against the bailouts, corporate lobbying, problem of big business merging with the state, etc.
Considering most "Austrians" are also "anarchists" or anti-statists, it'd be a bit hard to be an Austrian and advocate private oligarchy. Especially considering "Austrian" in practice is heavily compatible with anti-statism.
@fountainherz As far as I can see on the record, Lyndon LaRouche has been the only consistant opponant of the last 40 years direction of post-industrial lunacy which the Mont Pelerin Society has been the leading cheerleader for. Like most religious fundamentalists, it seems you don't know the history of your economic religion.
Rothbard, Hoppe, Murphy, etc. have all been opponents.
2) Citing anecdotal evidence ("as far as I can see!") and insinuation of Fascism for what you oppose does not constitute proper rebuttal. Especially since you've been proven wrong, on both.
Religion? Seeing you dismiss evidence of Rothbard, etc. being against what you are also against, seems to me like you're the only fundamentalist here.
@fountainherz They've been in opposition to government interfering with the worst of the criminal speculative activity that is blowing out the global economy. I'm just repeating von Hayek's lecture that I read on Mises.org where he explictily calls for a dictatorship in order to impose equilibrium on civilization. Yes, the Austrian/Chicago is little more than a religion made for the narcissistic greedy Baby Boomer generation.
@Amiduffer I know I said I would not respond but, I am now tempted to block you. And, that is a first. Why don't you contribute something to the discussion if you want so much attention?
@atchisrj1 I was contributing, as well as these stupid answer boxes will allow. Your ideology and all the meaningless terminology is really nothing different than the others who post similar sophistries. Why bother creating these elaborate fantasy worlds and demand everyone debate within the limits of your little sandbox.
@Amiduffer The only one living in a fantasy world is you. I used actual dictionary definitions to make this video. You are quote mining and making false accusations. I feel sorry for you. I really do. I recommend you seek education and/or therapy. Good day to you child.
@atchisrj1 You used someones incorrect characterization in order to play the usual sophist word games in defense of a morally bankrupt system, that's the definition of a child.
@atchisrj1 After (painfully) watching your badly edited and poorly spoken strawman argument again, I think there's no more point in trying to play in your little sandbox of history. I'm sorry that I subjected myself to your potty mouth and having my sexuality questioned just for trying to untangle such a mess.
@Amiduffer I see that since you are unable to put together an argument to defend yourself you give up. Good. I do not need intellectual weaklings (like yourself) spewing your bs on my video. Good day to you child.
This whole non-agression pact only really makes sense to conversatives because they only look at things from their side of it which happens to be how it's explained. I see merits in it, but I have a feeling that it's just neoliberalism all the way. Like in Wisconsin they seem to be able to force by destroying the government and selling it piecemill.
HoGraz 3 weeks ago
@HoGraz What? I used to be a Democrat. The idea of non aggression made sense to me. It makes sense to people on all sides. I don't think you understand what you are talking about.
atchisrj1 3 weeks ago
@atchisrj1 Of course the idea is a great one. Maybe it's better than the shit we have. That doesn't mean though that we need to ignore everythign democrats and others on the left have to say. Having a mixed economy is a good thing because when the economy screws up because of the mistakes of a few people others on the bottom don't suffer as much.
HoGraz 3 weeks ago
@HoGraz Other things like communications mergers and destroy our institutions so they can have a corporate free for all. We need public universities, public libraries. At least with the concept of the public realm we have some say in our lives. Protectionism is a way to control corporations. Without it they control us. That's important. Now do I like the CIA no, but you see where I'm going.
HoGraz 3 weeks ago
@HoGraz I have no problem with States and/or communities running these public Universities and, Libraries. I have a problem with the Federal government dictating a one size fits all approach. I want the state universities to compete against each other and privately run institutions too. That is the key to innovation. As far as a mixed economy goes. I'm not sure what you mean by mixed because we have a Fascist economy now. It is far from mixed. It's debt based and, that can't last long.
atchisrj1 2 weeks ago
@atchisrj1 "Don't tread on me." Just kidding haha. You have some good points. I think yea it'd be optimal if things were jingoist anymore. We definitely have a mixed economy still, but that doesn't mean it's not fascist at all. Things can coincide together. I don't trust the capitalists to allow us to live our lives unless we really participate. On another note for this guy to say that Fascism is only a little bit more to the right than the left is insane. It's definitely more to the right.
HoGraz 2 weeks ago
@HoGraz You do realize I am the guy that made this video?
atchisrj1 2 weeks ago
@atchisrj1 Hahha. Oops. Sorry.
HoGraz 2 weeks ago
@HoGraz It's cool. I never said Fascism was to the right of the Left. I said it took from both the left and right but was more to the left.
atchisrj1 2 weeks ago
@atchisrWait what?That's not what I heard.I'll have to watch it again.Either way it's a pretty decent video.There's a lot of confusing propaganda about the idea on youtube.Where did you get your info
HoGraz 2 weeks ago
@HoGraz History channel. The writings of the people that were involved. Some Wikipedia. other sources I can't remember now.
atchisrj1 2 weeks ago
@atchisrj1 Hmm. I don't know how I feel about the History channel. You know the media has been closed in on since Colin Powell's son became chairman of the FCC. I'd have to say I personally have felt
HoGraz 2 weeks ago
@atchisrj1 >>that they show stuff on the History Channel that sorta keeps people watching TV to find stuff out rather than following culture on their own. They also really like War but that may just
HoGraz 2 weeks ago
@atchisrj1 be becauase of the Greatest Generation being the biggest viewer audience. Course History is nothing but War really. I just don't trust anyone on TV much anymore.
HoGraz 2 weeks ago
@HoGraz I don't trust network television at all.
atchisrj1 2 weeks ago
@atchisrj1 Hell yea.
HoGraz 2 weeks ago
@HoGraz at least we can agree on that. lol
atchisrj1 2 weeks ago
Libertarianism is well meaning in its outlook.
But it suffers some flaws. Like who are going to build the roads, the schools, the bridges?
And corporate power WILL never agree on getting rid of government. Neither will the majority of the population. It's pure fantasy.
Again, people want freedom. But how can you assure me freedom from corporate tyranny in a libertarian society. Who protects the atmosphere and the drinking water in this Lib paradise?
eddiemaxblack 1 month ago
@eddiemaxblack You just described anarchy not libertarianism. This is the problem I have you have not researched the subject and are simply just regurgitating what others have told you.
atchisrj1 1 month ago
@eddiemaxblack
these are such basis questions that have been answered for over a century. it just goes to show you havent bothered listening.
InvincibleNumanist 3 weeks ago
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If you think global warming is a fraud you are nothing but an idiot. No wonder you are also a libertarian.
gulbirk 3 months ago
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pcgamernum1 3 months ago
Yes it is. To appeal to another man's sense of goodness you have to speak in collectively agreed upon terms. Language is a form of collectivism. We both have to agree on the meaning of the terms before we can argue.
perdondaris 4 months ago
What I am trying to say to you is that if laissez faire capitalism is the judge of value then why are you condemning con artists? Lets say we both agree that global warming is nonsense. Still, a lot of people go to Whole Foods and buy organic stuff and drive Prius's. You say it's based on elitist snobbery, well so is the ownership of Rolex watches and Rolls Royces. By the way why are you attacking elitists? Isn't it the goal of a good capitalist to join the elite?
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris
"why are you condemning con artists"
Because they're committing fraud. Fraud is an initiation of force.
Guncriminal 4 months ago 5
You say global warming is a fraud? Well for a fraud it sells well. Therefore according to the laws of basic laissez faire economics it is justified. No one is compelled to buy books written by Al Gore just as no one is compelled to join the Roman Catholic Church. If the school you go to makes you read Earth in the Balance or the church you belong to makes you read the Bible you may remove yourself from that institution. Just as you can quit working for Burger King if you don't like your boss.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris It is evident that this conversation is going nowhere fast. Keep living your fairy tales and good day to you.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
In this day and age millions of people were misled into believing Saddam Hussein was connected to the perpetrators of 9/11. In this day and age people believe commercials where celebrities blatantly lie about their supposed love for a certain commercial item. In this day and age authoritarian religious movements fleece their followers and send them into violent wars. Selfishness is a form of self deception. John Galt is a lonely person who can't feel without a sense of domination fed by anxiety.
perdondaris 4 months ago
The only way ridiculous philosophy like pure laissez faire capitalism can be maintained (after the aftermath of the Great Depression and the failure of Reaganomics) is through constant fraud and state sponsored terror. It's like your advocated theocracy in the era of iPads and jet airplanes. Laissez faire doesn't work no matter how you try concoct a strategy for it. Eventually all of the disenfranchised by it attack it and overthrow it. The only way you can prevent that is by gestapo tactics.
perdondaris 4 months ago
All morality is based in collectivism. You argue that capitalism is moral, has advanced society and benefits everyone. That is a collectivist argument. You have contradicted your own arguments. You are trying to appeal to everyone. If you were truly anti-collectivist you would have no scruples joining one of those shadowy conspiracies that you seem to hate. If a selfish man felt there was a conspiracy that ran society he would join it--not attempt to expose it right?
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris
"All morality is based in collectivism."
No it isn't.
Guncriminal 4 months ago 4
@Guncriminal perdondaris will never argue a logical standpoint.
atchisrj1 3 months ago
Actually environmentalists have been justified by independent scientific research. Ayn Rand herself was blinded by her narcissistic selfishness into believing that the idea that cigarettes caused cancer was "a collectivist conspiracy". The EPA, while not perfect, has made life better for Americans. The Great Lakes, being surrounded with industrial manufacturing centers were once extremely polluted. After state EPA regulations were enforced they have become cleaner.
perdondaris 4 months ago
In this day and age businessmen still lie and engage in reckless behavior. Socialist environmentalists and labor unions have been persecuted in countries that were supposedly "socialist". Why would Communists repress them if they collectivist fellow travelers? The anti-Communist Solidarity movement in Poland was based in a labor union. Environmentalists in Czechoslovakia were key supporters of the Velvet Revolution because of the pollution caused by the reckless Communist government.
perdondaris 4 months ago
Human progress hasn't come through indifference or selfishness. Innovation is held down when selfish forces find the lack of progress beneficial to their interests. For example it is not in the interest of the managers of the oil industry to expand research into renewable resources. Therefore they halt progress out of their own selfishness. Selfishness is the reason the Roman Catholic Church forced Galileo to recant.
perdondaris 4 months ago
The human species has survived due to mutual aid. That is what society is. Selfishness produces indifference. The selfish man does not endanger his own welfare by decrying corruption. A selfish man would take advantage of that corruption to serve his own well being. Self interest is different from selfishness. It is in the individuals self interest that he is informed by environmentalists of the dangers of products. It is in the worker's self interest that he is represented by labor unions.
perdondaris 4 months ago
If consumers do not have access to information they can't hold businesses accountable (as I illustrated to you with the con artist example). The same thing goes for workers without union representation. Environmentalists provide the public information about irresponsible agencies just like the Better Business Bureau does. Labor unions provide representation to employees and keeps management responsible. There is a difference between selfishness and self interest (vide Bonhoeffer's maxim).
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris In this day and age if someone does not have access to information it is because they do not wish to have such access. The thing with unions is they force you to join. I have no problem with people voluntarily joining unions what I dislike about them is forced membership. Environmentalists movements are one of the biggest frauds out there with the global warming fraud being one of the worst. Selfishness and self-interest are one and the same.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
No, that argument doesn't suffice. Various anti-market forces like labor unions and consumer groups prevent fraud. The environmentalist movement is based on confronting the fraud of polluters (whether it be the government or private agencies). Non-market forces hold the market accountable. Labor unions hold management accountable and consumer regulatory groups (like environmentalists or human rights groups) hold private agencies accountable. Selfishness is irresponsibility.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris Consumers hold businesses accountable. Through the internet "We the People" have a powerful tool to keep businesses and markets honest and accountable. Pollution is not fraud, it's pollution. Taking money from people saying you are going to clean up pollution and then buying a yacht would be fraud. The environmental movement perpetrates fraud all the time. They funnel money to Eco-terrorists I would call that fraud. DDT has never been proven to cause harm. The scare tactics...
atchisrj1 4 months ago
@perdondaris cont.- used to get it banned was fraud on the part of the environmentalists. Good science proved tobacco smoke to be harmful not some "whistle blower". And, at what great risk was there to the people that said it was harmful? I have heard of non. And what is wrong with selfishness? I practice selfishness every two months when I donate blood, it's selfish because I hope that if I ever need blood I hope it will be available. There is nothing wrong with selfishness, it is a trait...
atchisrj1 4 months ago
Have you ever heard of Ralph Nader? "Good science" was repressed and attacked by selfish men who put their profit margins ahead of the truth. This is the nature of greed. Selfishness has prevented progress. Scientists like Einstein and Jonas Salk investigated out of intellectual curiosity, not personal gain. Selfishness produces indifference and is ultimately self destructive. Ayn Rand is a perfect example of this. Her selfishness made her a very nasty person to be around.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris cont.- that helped to propagate our species. Selfishness is a good quality in the end. It was selfishness that lead to all of our technological advances. Ford didn't build the automobile to improve humanity, he did it to make money. Selfishness leads to innovation.
atchisrj1 4 months ago 2
Here is where I find trouble right off the bat with right wing libertarianism (market libertarianism). It doesn't matter whether you are talking about a private individual or a multinational corporation. That is the issue of fraud. For example con artists. If I sell you real estate in Florida and tell you it is valuable beach front property. You buy it. You go see your new property and find out it is swampland. No harm: it was a free and voluntary transaction right? Wrong, it is fraud.
perdondaris 4 months ago
If one person owns everything that is forcing you to join them. As in one person or group controlling all the resources necessary for life. Freedom means more than "my way or the highway" or "not in my backyard". It means that everyone who lives in a community has equal say in how the community is run. It doesn't mean everyone has to do the same thing or look or act the same way as in some authoritarian dystopia.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris I see that we will most likely not find a common ground here but, consider this. Through a Libertarian system every individual is free to own his or her own means of production and, has the right to choose how and what to charge for their services. That is hardly authoritarian. I agree that a community has finale say on what transgresses in said community and how. If somebody doesn't like it they can vote with their feet and go were they do like it.
atchisrj1 4 months ago 3
@atchisrj1 I would like you to answer how you would deal with the problem of fraud in a totally market based society? Saying it would not happen if we had completely free markets is not a sufficient answer. Con artists perpetrate their schemes through fraud but without coercion. The victim buys the product voluntarily. To think that an unlimited free market will solve this problem is unrealistic.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris Fraud would still remain a crime in a free market because the person perpetrating the fraud is still victimizing someone. The government was unable to prevent Bernie Madoff from committing the fraud he did. We can only punish after the crime was committed in any system. As for your "beach front Florida property" example; that is fraud but, if somebody is dumb enough to buy property without first looking at it then, remember the old saying "Let the buyer beware"? Lack of personal...
atchisrj1 4 months ago
@atchisrj1 The reason someone isn't "dumb enough" is because of consumer protection agencies. The reason someone isn't "dumb enough" to spray DDT on their kids is because of environmentalists. The reason someone isn't "dumb enough" to smoke cigarettes is because of whistleblowers who (at great risk) pointed out the corruption of tobacco companies. Selfishness does not lead to responsibility. A selfish man does not risk his own welfare to point out injustice and fraud. He'll try to profit off it.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris cont.- responsibility is not an excuse for more government involvement in the marketplace. It is demonstrably unrealistic to think that a government can solve an issue with more laws.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
@Bluedog309 The video itself is a complete avoidance of why people equate Libertarianism/Fascism, since, as he admits, he doesn't give a rats ass about the history of where it came from or the real world results of the system. He just makes an absurd claim that just because he isn't marching in jack boots and wearing a swastika persecuting jews, that therefore, libertarians are not fascist.
Amiduffer 4 months ago
@Amiduffer Just because your head is firmly fixed inside your ass does not mean that mine is sluggo. You don't understand Libertarianism nor Fascism. That's the problem you are ignorant just as bluegog309. You both need to shut the fuck up since you lack the intellectual honesty to even attempt this debate. You are a sad person indeed.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
@atchisrj1 "Debate", how laughable. Your definition of debate is either we kiss your ass and worship at your feet, or you're going to pour slander, abuse on us and our relations, question our sexual orientation, and harass us endlessly.
Amiduffer 4 months ago
@Amiduffer You are laughable. You didn't offer anything that is useful or had anything to do with the video. You just quote mined and lied about what Libertarianism is. Not all Libertarians are for the Austrian school. But yet you choose to paint with a wide brush. You are a fag indeed.
Fag: An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person.
Just in case you needed a reminder as to the proper definition.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
@atchisrj1 Ha ha! You just described this video, and your rotten, mean, filthy mouthed know-it-all attitude.
Amiduffer 4 months ago
@Amiduffer WHatever you say troll boy. Take a hike.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
The reason I oppose right wing libertarianism is that laissez faire capitalism is an authoritarian economic system. Ownership of property (whether it is human labor, natural resources or the product of human labor) exclusive control. I am not a statist socialist. I believe the best system is the democratic control of resources at the local level so that each member of the community is represented (federalism). Any society which excludes people from representation is tyrannical.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris That is better. I support Libertarianism on a federal level because it allows those on the local level to do whatever they want. Instead of forcing all the people to be the same Libertarianism allows individuals and groups to do whatever they feel is best for them. You are assuming that Libertarianism is a system force when, what it truly is a system that allows for voluntarism. If a group wants to live in a socialist society then they are welcome to form that community.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
@perdondaris cont.- So long as they are not forcing others to join them. That is also the idea behind a Republic, a confederation of individual States, each of which has sole power over itself. The reason that all are joined together is for defense of each other and of the whole.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
@Bluedog309 Now you are in my yard fuck head. The reason there is no population problem is that there is so f'ing much uninhabited space. Remember dick-face you are the one that claimed that there is a population problem and then did not explain it so, calling the pot black when you are the kettle is a show of your own ignorance. Get a clue.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
I see you cannot answer my criticisms. You only choose to insult me to protect your own failure of debating me on the ideas. Instead of debating my ideas you choose to attack me personally. I entered this youtube debate because of the books written by Jonah Goldberg, Glenn Beck and Ayn Rand imputing that socialism is fascism. There is fraud in unchecked markets (just as there is fraud in unchecked government). The market no more rewards morality and intelligence than government bureaucracy.
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris What the fuck is your problem? This video is not about markets moron. You want to argue something other then what this video is about well, okay you go ahead and do that and, I will continue to point out how retarded you are acting.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
First lets clarify ideas. Right wing anti-statism is known as laissez faire capitalism. Libertarianism is a qualifier for a type of socialism. The free market is organized and run by humans (who set prices) just like the government makes laws. Charity is not capitalism. Entrepreneurship doesn't equal innovation. L. Ron Hubbard was a very successful entrepreneur. He was also a great fraud. Capitalism is an authoritarian economic system maintained by force and slick Madison Avenue propaganda.
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris You have your head so firmly shoved up your ass It is not even funny.
atchisrj1 5 months ago 2
I am referring to your laissez faire system of governing society. Laissez faire doesn't work because it fosters irresponsibility and fraud. When you concentrate power into a few people and a bureaucracy that manages their property for them you will get the same results as Soviet Communism and European Fascism. I agree, it's not the same system, it's just a different colored cat for the same results. China has moved towards a laissez faire economic system (and ditched socialism for nationalism).
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris Backpedal much? The idea behind libertarianism is shared responsibility by choice not force. Most people are good and when all people have social and economic freedom they will do good work though charity and entrepreneurship. Your characterization of a free market is disturbing.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
Is liberty banning privately organized groups? Union workers have better pay&benefits than non union workers. Your complaint that some people don't want to join a union to work in their profession. Well, then find a non unionized profession. It's a free country. If you don't want to deal with the UAW then find another employment than manufacturing cars.
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris Boohoo cry me a river. Unions are better payed, no shit! You also know that government contracts only go to Union workers right? The law shuts out non-union workers and, that is immoral. Why should I be forced to join a union just for a paycheck anyway? You said it, it's a free country so, why can't I be allowed freedom to choose? Are you scared that most Americans will choose not to join? And, why don't you stay on topic bud? It isn't that hard.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@perdondaris Boohoo cry me a river. Unions are better payed, no shit! You also know that government contracts only go to Union workers right? The law shuts out non-union workers and, that is immoral. Why should I be forced to join a union just for a paycheck anyway? You said it, it's a free country so, why can't I be allowed freedom to choose? Are you scared that most Americans will choose not to join? And, why don't you stay on topic bud? It isn't that hard.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
There are colleges and universities that do not practice political correctness. If you tell me that you don't like institutions that practice political correctness then from a libertarian stand point don't go to those institutions. There are plenty of private schools in America that have scholarships for poor students who want to attend them. Plenty of those private schools practice censorship as bad or worse than public schools.
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris What the fuck are you talking about? You babble like an incoherent drunk freshman. I am not talking about schools nor did I ever hint at them. If you can not stay on the subject of the video then, stop commenting in the first place.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 It is obvious that , YOU ARE ONE LONELY INDIVIDUAL, WHO LACKS ATTENTION.
beloit22 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 YOU ARE ONE LONELY INDIVIDUAL.
beloit22 5 months ago
@beloit22 Say's the e-stalker. You are a joke.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
Fascism and capitalist libertarianism share a common bond. Herbert Spencer, who coined the term "survival of the fittest" was the intellectual founder of both libertarianism and Nazi eugenics. It wasn't Darwin but Spencer who came up with the idea that individualist competition or struggle was the basis of progress and civilization. Both fascism and libertarianism are reactionary ideologies looking towards a mythic golden age when men were free (before political correctness or worker's rights).
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris "Fascism and capitalist libertarianism share a common bond." Yeah they are both political philosophy. As for Spencer as being the founder of Libertarianism and Nazi eugenics is laughable. A book by Richard Hofstadter called Social Darwinism in American Thought 1860-1915, is what you are truly referring to when you say Nazi Eugenics. That book was a hostel critique of Spencer's work and, misrepresented the ideas of the man. That you refer to that is a sad and ignorant on your part.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@perdondaris All political philosophies are reactionary. Libertarians use the ideas of the enlightenment in order to carve out a better tomorrow. I never once said that we have ever had a "golden age when men were free" You speak out of ignorance and that is a breeding ground for hate. Political correctness is just another name for censorship. A means of shamming those you disagree with into remaining quite. My disdain for it is evident and I am not ashamed of that.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@perdondaris As for "workers rights" all workers have a right to the fruits of their labor just as an employer has the right to determine for themselves for what reason they hire, fire and, what to pay. That is Liberty.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
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Please also realize that dictionaries adopt the common consensus usage of language in society and not the other way around.
pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
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pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
The statement you provided "Libertarianism is not Fascism" is accurate but amateur. Although if you cannot understand that fascism is almost always a grassroots rural based populist movement then whatever else I say will fall on deaf ears. You are on the right track but confusing yourself with isms and ideologies. I understand your disillusionment with the two party system but it will always be that way in America no matter if the name changes.
pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
@pneumatictrousers I guess you didn't understand the video in the first place then. It was a mater of giving the definitions of each. That is not amateur in the least.
Hold on, I don't need to justify how I make my videos to you.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 Offering a dictionary definition and actually knowing and understanding politics, economics, and history are very different. Merely scratching the surface does not entail the depth necessary for grasping these topics. The world is a complex place and cannot be reduced into another false dichotomy. Realize, that I am not here to disrespect you and support you in your learning and growth process. I'm sure your responses would greatly improve if you did a bit more research first.
pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
@pneumatictrousers If you think you can do a better job then why don't you make a video?
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 The only video I would post on Youtube would be related to art, science, and technology. Generally speaking, when I finally got a grasp on history, economics, religion, and politics (which took years!) I came to the conclusion that in many ways it was a waste of time. It's much more liberating to study science and create something using my hands and imagination than opining on the woes of the world man. That is what made America great instead of being a tool of reactionary propaganda.
pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
@pneumatictrousers Well then, stop commenting on this video then. If you think it's a waste of time, like you said then... Do something more constructive like keep you mouth shut when it comes to the subject. Crawl back into your hole and play with yourself you smug, self-righteous, d'bag.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@pneumatictrousers Well then, stop commenting on this video then. If you think it's a waste of time, like you said then... Do something more constructive like keep you mouth shut when it comes to the subject. Crawl back into your hole and play with yourself you smug, self-righteous, d'bag.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 You asked me a question and I replied. Nearly every comment you have offered fellow Youtubers has been a reactionary response. If you are that insecure, defensive, and can't handle any criticism whatsoever then why post here in the first place? No one is obligated to agree with you. The fact that you resort to insulting anyone who does disagree with you only shows that you are on the losing side of the argument.
pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
@pneumatictrousers I never asked anyone to agree with me asshole. All you did was insult me to start with so perhaps you are the problem. Good day to you then.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 I apologize for calling you an amateur as that was unnecessary of me I realize. That doesn't detract from the observation that it appears you may need to work on your anger and lashing out at any person who disagrees with you. /end
pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
Nearly every fascist movement was a grassroots populist movement that had its roots in rural regions. You need to read more instead of blabbing about stuff you know very little about.
pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
@pneumatictrousers I know quite a bit about Fascism and it's development. Why don't you explain yourself and, show how I am wrong kiddo?
atchisrj1 5 months ago
Amateur.
pneumatictrousers 5 months ago
@pneumatictrousers Seeing that you have not posted one single video, you are one to talk.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
Sad as shit that you actually need to explain this. Nice job none the less.
DrDissent 5 months ago
@DrDissent Thank you. I thought the same thing.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
Lemme guess, was this posted and created with vampiressondaprowlq in mind? lol. She's not in the tags; you should probably add her since she's pretty much the forerunner of invoking Godwin's Law against libertarians/market anarchists/Austrians.
fountainherz 6 months ago
@fountainherz Thanks I forgot about that one.
atchisrj1 6 months ago
The Austrian school was created by the Hapsburgs and the British Empire (a dictatorial system if there ever was) against the American System in Germany, and the modern equivalents in the spokesman for the financial system (American Enterprise Institute, etc) that is imposing austerity on the population in order to bail out the financial bubble. The same as the bankers who installed all the Fascist dictators back in the 20's and 30's in order to impose austerity when their bubble blew then.
Amiduffer 6 months ago
@Amiduffer
The austrian school was founded by Karl Menger and Bohm Bawerk. the school as it is known today mainly follows the tradition of Ludwig Von Mises, who actually fled austria to escape the rise of nazism.
SecularNumanist 6 months ago 2
@SecularNumanist Menger was a personal teacher to the Hapsburg monarchy, a most ruthless and dictatorial system. Do you find it a funny paradox that Mises' movement was bankrolled by the same financial interests that installed all those fascist dictators in power.
Amiduffer 6 months ago
@Amiduffer
and since the austrian school is against central banking, i doubt theyd be a very effective think tank..
SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@SecularNumanist The Austrian school is for oligarchical private financial interests to rule above nation-states as they're doing right now to the US and Europe just as von Hayek preached.
Amiduffer 6 months ago
@Amiduffer
Just as Von Hayek preached?
Citation needed.
Rothbard was for the eventual disappearance of nationstates.
and yes, they favoured private voluntary institutions over forceful governmental ones. they make no secret of that.
And the austrian school has zero influence over europe and the US.
post keynsianism and elements of the chicago school remain, but the austrian school has none.
SecularNumanist 6 months ago 3
@SecularNumanist Read his teachings, or have you even bothered to do that? Of course Rothbard was for eliminating nationstates, they get in the way of the (his employers) speculative looting schemes.
Amiduffer 6 months ago
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SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@Amiduffer
He was against the nationstate for the same reason Spooner was, the same reason all anti statists before him had been. Because it was a violent monopoly on force that deprived men of the full product of their labour.
And yes, actually. Ive read many essays by Rothbard, and ive read his book on the great depression.
Also, "speculative looting schemes"
Citation if you please?
SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@Amiduffer
Austrians have been one of the -very few- "capitalist" schools of thought that have -openly- spoken out against the bailouts, corporate lobbying, problem of big business merging with the state, etc.
Considering most "Austrians" are also "anarchists" or anti-statists, it'd be a bit hard to be an Austrian and advocate private oligarchy. Especially considering "Austrian" in practice is heavily compatible with anti-statism.
fountainherz 6 months ago 2
@fountainherz As far as I can see on the record, Lyndon LaRouche has been the only consistant opponant of the last 40 years direction of post-industrial lunacy which the Mont Pelerin Society has been the leading cheerleader for. Like most religious fundamentalists, it seems you don't know the history of your economic religion.
Amiduffer 6 months ago
@Amiduffer
1) Well then you're wrong. lmao.
Rothbard, Hoppe, Murphy, etc. have all been opponents.
2) Citing anecdotal evidence ("as far as I can see!") and insinuation of Fascism for what you oppose does not constitute proper rebuttal. Especially since you've been proven wrong, on both.
Religion? Seeing you dismiss evidence of Rothbard, etc. being against what you are also against, seems to me like you're the only fundamentalist here.
fountainherz 6 months ago
@fountainherz They've been in opposition to government interfering with the worst of the criminal speculative activity that is blowing out the global economy. I'm just repeating von Hayek's lecture that I read on Mises.org where he explictily calls for a dictatorship in order to impose equilibrium on civilization. Yes, the Austrian/Chicago is little more than a religion made for the narcissistic greedy Baby Boomer generation.
Amiduffer 6 months ago
@Amiduffer Exactly were did you pull this out of?
atchisrj1 6 months ago
@atchisrj1 Mises.org
Amiduffer 6 months ago
@Amiduffer You have no idea what you are talking about.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 Exactly where did you pull this out of?
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer If you aren't going to contribute then you can just go away child.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 since this video contributes nothing, you should pull it.
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer Aw, poor baby. If you actually watched it you might learn something. Grow up child.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 Typical know-it-all (although knows nothing) asshole.
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer So says the person without a clue. Good day to you child.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 The pot calls the kettle black. ha ha
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer I will not be responding to you further. Good day to you child.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 That's OK. You ignore reality already.
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer I know I said I would not respond but, I am now tempted to block you. And, that is a first. Why don't you contribute something to the discussion if you want so much attention?
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 I was contributing, as well as these stupid answer boxes will allow. Your ideology and all the meaningless terminology is really nothing different than the others who post similar sophistries. Why bother creating these elaborate fantasy worlds and demand everyone debate within the limits of your little sandbox.
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer You sound just like a creationist. Sandbox? Sounds like Ben Stein.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 No. Its an apt metaphor for someone who spends too much time making up elaborate fantasy worlds.
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer The only one living in a fantasy world is you. I used actual dictionary definitions to make this video. You are quote mining and making false accusations. I feel sorry for you. I really do. I recommend you seek education and/or therapy. Good day to you child.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 You used someones incorrect characterization in order to play the usual sophist word games in defense of a morally bankrupt system, that's the definition of a child.
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer Explain yourself kid.
atchisrj1 5 months ago
@atchisrj1 After (painfully) watching your badly edited and poorly spoken strawman argument again, I think there's no more point in trying to play in your little sandbox of history. I'm sorry that I subjected myself to your potty mouth and having my sexuality questioned just for trying to untangle such a mess.
Amiduffer 5 months ago
@Amiduffer I see that since you are unable to put together an argument to defend yourself you give up. Good. I do not need intellectual weaklings (like yourself) spewing your bs on my video. Good day to you child.
atchisrj1 5 months ago 2