thanks for the video =) really really good. great how you can compare and explain without judging. i am german too and i don't feel very proud of germany... but i like it here ;) and of course i still defend germany when somebody critizises us ;D but that's as far as my patriotism goes
I'm an American and i love Germany infact i have some German blood in me from my moms side of the family I think the Germany and the WORLD should just put the bad stuff in WW2 behind them and look for a brighter future and be proud of your country no matter what country your from cause Hitler did not speak for all of Germans in WW2. :)
yea that´s right but the thing is that many not-germans have not the same idea of germans as you have because they don´t know germans and if you go abroad as a german and tell people you´re proud to be german some people call you a nazi and so on so it´s not that easy to forget the ww2!!!
One reason that no real patriostism exist in germany is that the people in the german regions of the country are very different in culture and dialect. If you're a native of cologne for example, the goverment in berlin represent the occupying power of prussian. That's not very serious, but real.
I can't understand why the Germans aren't openly proud or patriotic about their country. It's one of the greatest countries in the world. And that war? That was so long ago, todays Germans should not be ashamed of something they weren't part of it. Almost 7 decades, way past the time to move on.
Germans it is ok to be proud of your country and hate your government
Look at how Bush only had a 15% approval rating last year, but Americans still supported their troops in war because they are normal people just like you and me
ich mag die sendungen von jim und alex wirklich sehr. aber ich finde alex hat nicht recht, dass es in deutschland gar keinen patriotismus gibt. klart ist es hier nicht so extrem wie in den usa, aber ich denke es gibt schon viele die froh sind in deutschland zu leben.
da kann man dann wohl eher vaterlandsstolz sagen. ich bin kein patriot, aber ich bin natürlich foh und glücklich deutscher zu sein und in deutschland zu leben. =)
i think most Germans aren't patriotic because they think that being a patriot is a radical right-winged action^^ So of course they think of Adolf Hitler and what happened in the WWII...
Everytime when I say that I like Germany, all my friends stare at me and say, "what?! do you like the German history?!". Then, I can't give a positive answer... But nevertheless I'm proud of Germany... because Germany managed to change itself into one of the safest and most decent countries :)
I see a lot of tanks and troops every day (i live near of a military base and every 4 years there is a big military show.....) thats cool germany rocks!!!
Patriotism shouldn't be confused with supporting any one certain political party. I think that the events of WWII and the radicalism of the German military during that period has forced Germans to not embrace their military as much as in the past in order to make amends for what happened in WWII.
well, the government called itself an liberal democracy... till the end of the first world war Germany was an empire (Kaiserreich) and the Weimarer Republik was a mix of a presidential and parliamentary system... but the most people and parties were left winged or right winged and tried to bring down the government
I was in an international language camp in the US with 20 Germans and about 30 ppl from other countries. Our teacher asked us to say whether we are proud of our country. ALL not-germans said yes, ALL germans said NO! The not-germans were shocked as was i...
But next my Town (Hannover,Niederschsen) is a smaller City Hildesheim and there are air shows with military Planes and air fighters o0ne time in a year
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ejj ich schwörs euch dieser alex neh deR MACHT DEUTSCHLAND so schlecht und labert nur scheiße voll der türke haha
also ob man nie bundeswehr farzeuge sieht wir sind halt nicht so kreigbessessen und das ist auch gut so!!!!!!!!was bringt das wenn wir uns angucken wie kampfflugzeuge durch die luft fliegen??
i think it is really good, that you both are talking about the differences between both countrys to help that people understand more about each other and noticing that they have had disadvantages
I think everybody should be proud of their country. Germans and people should look past the WWII and the old Germany and see how well Germany has grown since then. Same with Japan.
Are you saying that this video will change peoples minds of those who think that Germans are militaristic and nazis Or are you saying that germans are militaristic and nazis.
I never thought Germans were nazis but I did think that they were kinda militaristic strict like.
Veteran Martin Brech of Mahopac, in 1945, was an 18 year old Private First Class in Company C of the 14th Infantry, assigned as a guard and interpreter at the Eisenhower Death Camp at Andernach, along the Rhine River. He stated: "My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF'S) were met with hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our deliberate policy not to adequately feed them.
It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, were denied.
Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi
Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy as many of them as he could.More than one million seven hundred thousand German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the war criminal General Dwight David Eisenhower.
But the most German prisoners of war died in the russian camps...and the German soldiers did much more cruel in the world...
And to Dresden and the other cities in Germany being bombed: In the 40's you didn't had a GPS system or something like this. The pilots had to navigate with the stars, so sometimes they didn't even bombed the right city - so there was no way to bomb something smaller than a little village, because you can't find the target...(that the opinion of a German)
I was thinking recently, what is really going on? Let us compare France with the neighbor countries. France suffered a lot with WW2 (human losses, bombings, families separated) and a catastrophic defeat in 1940. And they do not have the neverending discussions about WW2 and small radical groups (extreme left, extreme right, social experiments) do not flourish like mushrooms. What is going on? Some ideological left-overs from DDR (GDR) secret agencies?
Humanism is the answer that we need. The most important thing is the individual, beyond every conceivable system. We don't have to build imaginary (and sometimes dehumanizing) systems. We have to focus on the persons and let the individuals be happy.
What do you have, is a misunderstanding of "german unity". (Deutsche Einheit). It means, to keep the country united, under principles of democracy and liberty (and humanism, of course), the original idea that emerged after Napoleon's invasion. Problems arise, when you want to extend your "unity" OUTSIDE the actual borders, oppressing others, or the opposite, if you destroy the unity that you already have...Then your false "unity" had became an IDEOLOGY, that controls people
Yeah, yeah sure nationalism taken to extreme is bad... what is alternative, mister? Germany like ALL other Euro states is based around idead of nation-state and self-determination.
I mentioned Americas, because ethnic Germans there are OBVIOUSLY quite proud of their heritage. They don´t have the citizenship, but you wouldn´t doubt their roots for a second...
The moment you let socialists replace your culture and kindred, it won´t be Germany anymore. Do you understand?
The difference is attitude, I can be patriotic and build a school for the children of my country. But I may be become "too patriotic" (imperialist) and destroy an enemy school from the country next to me.
The point is, that the national socialist propaganda abused of german patriotism, romanticism, songs, folk movements, literature, so it practically eroded and corrupted them, so the original meaning of the german values was lost.
So do you agree, that post-war socialists of Germany took the idea of anti-imperialism a little too far?
The current system is broken. If the "original values" were indeed corrupted, then retake (hell, black Americans were even capable to reclaim the word "nigger") and reshape them! Because abandoning them altogether is not working.
Germans unlike Americans are distinct ethnic and they shouldn´t be ashamed of that.
In the current system, there are tiny radical groups, which abuse of the "politically correct" concept to implant new ideas in the minds of people.They have no ethics.
Politically correct is actually, to show respect for the others, not to implant new ideas and systems. I recommend the 1984 novels and "Brave new World".
In all the gamut of groups that call themselves "socialisms", you wil see, that although there are people who cares for health and education, there are also crazy radicals. How to build "socialism" with antisocial people?
Many people is proud of their heritage as long as it makes a good image for them. But when the conversation goes into the opposite way, people will even change their roots to poles or hungarians.
The point is, after many decades (even centuries) of prussian militarism, which affected deeply the society (garrisons in each town, a society built according to military degrees, paramilitary groups for every age, parades), all become nonsense when you face real war.
Officially yes but to be conservative means to protect financial goods and influence against critique. Even whether the SPD calls itself "social democrats" they also defend their financial goods in a certain way. So it's all about the point of view of every polition how a party acts. Man I hate politics anyway... too much talking without good results...
The US Liberal part is still a lot more on the right of the political spectrum than Germany's CDU. It all depends on the point of view. As funny as it is, the SPD would probably be labeled as socialist here in the USA.
ihr habt ne gute filmserie!!:) .. es sehr interessant...die militär und politik...aber ich will mal sagn daß ich bin sehr glücklich ein deutscher zu sein und in deutschland zu leben (ich bin übringens kein neo!) ich glaub daß deutschland einfach wunderbar ist und wir können stolz drauf haben! sei nicht beschämpt! D-E-U-T-S-C-H-L-A-N-D das heißt Schwarz Rot Geil!!!!
Patriotism for a German is a almost a taboo subject. As a German when you say that you are proud to be a German you are considered as National Socialist aka Nazi by the German population. But only by them. Since I'm living abroad and I'm talking with my friends and colleagues about patriotism they do not have a problem with me being proud to be a German. It's just the feeling of being guilty for the crime against humanity back in WW II. We should get over it but still we must not forget.
Yeah, I was shocked, that Germans living in Brazil or Argentine for 100+ years are much better at preserving their heritage and way of life, than the "people", who remained home.
They had a rural way of life, like it was in Central Europe 100 years ago...before excessive industralization..and apocalyptical wars, of course. In South America, they have even bands that play tradicional folk music (e.g. Die Dorfmusikanten from Argentina), while in Europe, the tunes are rarely heard, and you got...hip-hop in german. Some folk songs were even "militarised" before WW2, take a popular song and change the lyrics to sing together with the local garrisons...
You Adam, argue with "false unity" and connect it with nationalism... hm, I don´t see anything wrong to celebrate ARCHIEVEMENTS of ancestors with people of shared lineage, culture, language and history.
If nationalism smells of "false unity" what would you say about multiculturalism? What to celebrate there? Importing wage slaves enmasse to first world countries? Ethnic tensions? Reverse racism? Twisted labour market? Cultural subjugation of natives to bussines interests?
I understand "false unity" when you start to "unify" territories and populations that do not belong to you, by force. This is actually, plundering. I see nothing wrong in remembering the achievements of a civilization. In fact, I admire Goethe, Schiller, Bach, Beethoven, von Humboldt, the Grimm Brothers... identified as "germans". The truth is, that these achievements, in science, art, exploration letters and humanism, are beyond frontiers, they are not german anymore, but universal.
Cheap labor under poor conditions exists.Millions of people from rural areas all over the world are forced to move somewhere else to build highways and railroads...why, if the third world is plenty of resources and the land is obviously fertile?
ich bin amerikanerin bin aber in deutschland aufgewachsen....ich finde die deutschen die heute leben koennen nichts fuer das handeln der frueheren generationen
es ist an der zeit ...das man nicht auf die deutschen herabsieht und sagt du bist ein nazi weil du dein land liebst und dort gerne lebst.....es ist zeit das die deutschen ihre "freiheit" zurueck bekommen...den respekt den jedesl and fuer sich beansprucht auch wieder den deutschen zugestehen mag
Aha und wie soll das deiner Meinung nach funktionieren? Es gibt genug Deutsche die das Kapitel 2.Weltkrieg satt haben, aber es gibt immer die andere Seite von Deutschen die meint wir können das nicht oft genug nochmal durchkauen...
Cool show guys!! It is very interessting!! But i think that patriotism is a bad thing. Nobody needs it. You can be proud of you when you did something good or special. But when you are proud of you because u was just born in a country it is very sad.
well, i think patriotism ist a positive thing. if it becomes nationalism it´s terrible of course. but if you don´t have any patriotism it just means you don´t care about other people in you society at all.
patriotism can be also seen as a kind of happiness about being born in a country and about living there.
and you can be proud of your ancetors´ effort.
patriotism also connects people and makes them stand together and help each other.
i have to say that the german patriotism has increased during the past 3-4 years (after the world championship in soccer). in germany we call it the "Neuer Patriotismus" (new patriotism). but this new patriotism is only shared by the younger generation that was born around the time of the reunification (1990).
more and more young people are proud of their country, but they are also aware of the history. germany is the last country that would fall back into such dark times as WW2 was.
I think about European "patriotism" very differently than what we have here - in Europe, there are borders and countries and ethnicities that go way, way back, with language, culture differences, but these are so ingrained and old that it's nothing to necessarily cheer for - while the US is so young and all but our native population are recent immigrants, so the collective "us" is defined, rather than by ethnicity, by borders. So we have more impetus to be patriotic - you know?
Its truly sad that one of the greatest Countries in the world isnt allowed to be patriots, Im a German-American and I take pride in my roots but I dont believe cultural pride means that you are racist
but that's exactly how i'd have described my countries menthlity/patrioti sense... (not meaning it in a bad way) ...still waving the blk/red/glden banner
I was in the German Air Force for 9 months because it is a family tradition and I was proud to wear the German flag but Alex is right, we Germans arent patriots, because of the2nd world war.
I was after the Air Force a year in Austrlia and almost shocked, what a good picture people from other countries have about Germany =)
i've been to three different schools and about 1/3 of the history lessons was about 1933-1945. we know more about our history than any other country... trust me. every school class has a school excursion to former concentration camp for example. so yes, we learn about ww2!
we learn much about the historical, political and social aspects of the second world war, but we dont learn about where the front line was in a special year, we dont learn much about important battles and stuff like that. i think that was what alex meant. all in all you can say we dont learn much about the military aspects of ww2.
in our history lessons there is like yoschi sad 1/3 about ww2.. much of the important german literature is about ww2, so in our german lessons ww2 is a big theme. in lessons of religion, philosophie, art, geographie etc.. there are parts about ww2. and this is only where you are confronted with it in school.
Cause and Effect. In Germany, there are great analysis about the causes, how the excessive militarism and lack of effective democracy can distort a society. People are brainwashed with propaganda and used as human weapons, and the social issues are often ignored. Local politicians take the issue again and again to make comparisons and attract the attention.
Outside Germany, the discussion is more about strategies, weapons, battles (the effect) and even (harmless) re-enactment clubs.
Yes, human nature in a positive way, to focus on the individuals and on their rights, so people can enjoy life peacefully with their families. Science then it is used to improve the quality of life, so as medicine, education, health, nutrition...
When you enslave other people or militarise them, or you made their conditions of life terrible, then you're not humanist anymore. You don't care about the others, like ns, commies, imperialists, colonialists and aggresive capitalists
Listen to Alex! We don't learn anything about military, we're learning about the politics and the background.
German students learn about the topic 1933-1945 at an age of 16-19. This is a must! The question is " how could this happen?" and not " how many battles did the Wehrmacht (germany army at WW2) win?"
I've learned a lot about this topic and I've visited concentration camps (Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz) - as many other students!
To get "ausgemustert" you have first to decide you want to join the military, because if you refuse it you never get "ausgemustert" and have to do the civilian service...
Then you have to have hughe health or psychological problems or at least have to fake them believeable!
i´m proud to be german ... when i was in the bundeswehr, we were at a us army facility (larson barracks) in bavaria for 2 months. on our days off we used to hang out with the us guys, drinking beer or having a BBQ.
but there are events where bundeswehr is presenting itself, like the ILA (internationale luftfahrt-ausstellung) in berlin or the official presentation of the new leopard 2A6 tank in schwarzheide ...
being patriotic does not have to be about being militaristic or anything army related. goethe was a patriot.every german is proud of different achievements of germans regardless if 4m germany or not. german history is too long to degrade it to 12 years 1933-45.
Also ich hatte alles versucht um ausgemustert zu werden. Skulliose, Herzkrankheiten in meiner Familie, Diabethis, Neurotermites, Schuppenflechte und Migräne.
Dennoch wurde ich T2 eingestuft und bin zum Bund gegangen. Und soll ich euch etwas sagen? Es war die beste Entscheidung meines Leben. Man lernt Disziplin und kann, wenn man sich als Fwdl (23 Monate) meldet, richtig viel Kohle machen und bekommt sehr viel bezahlt. Abgesehen davon sind nur die ersten 3 Monate wirklich hart. Von da her.
I met wonderful people here in the US, but I will never be patriotic, I neither feel patriotic for Germany, nor for the US, I also don't support the military...Ithink patriotism is something terrible-...
But I stopped judging people for feeling that way ;)
Bitte können Sie auf Englisch explain to me, are all German men required to join the military?
Eine Freundin (aus Deutschland) sagt sie hat ihren Mann geheiratet, so nicht muss er das Militär anschließen. Ich verstehe nicht, is military required from men?
No it isnt. But if you refuse to join the military, you'll have to do alternative civilian service. No matter what you decide to do, German people will look at you without appreciation.
@PrüzaxX - you don't have to join the army, you can do social work instead in Germany! Maybe you are to slim? - a friend of mine could avoid army cause he was too fat for regular uniform - no joke!
@PrüzaxX...ja, im Prinzip hatte ich ein paar Seiten vorher schonmal genau das geschrieben.
Unsere Wehrpflicht ist eh ein Auslaufmodell.
Vorm Bund komplett drücken kann man sich noch mit einem guten Psychiater (Depressionen, ADHS kriegste immer attestiert), drastischem Übergewicht oder Verpflichtung bei THW oder Freiwilliger Feuerwehr. Schwulsein reicht wohl nicht mehr.
Wenn man sich so was wie ADHS attestieren lässt, hat man das aber immer im Lebenslauf.
Und mit ner psychischen Störung später einen guten Job zu kriegen ist auch schlecht.
Das gemeine ist, dass aus meinem Jahrgan Leute ausgemustert wurden, die um einiges gesünder sind als ich. Ich hab Allergien und leichtes Asthma. Die haben gar nichts.
Wie du sagtest: Auslaufmodell.
Und meiner Meinung nach auch reinste Willkür, da nicht mal jeder gemustert wird.
in was für einem lebenslauf soll das denn bitte stehn ? uns seit wann muß man bei arbeitgebern krankheiten angeben ? desweiteren ist es dem arbeitgeber verboten solche daten überhaupt nur einzusehn, du bist wirklich unglaublich schlecht informiert, wirklich erschreckend.
i honestly understand why germans are not so patriotic about their country, coz ww2 had a long term effect on germans. i mean, who would ever be patriotic of their country if it was being ruled by a Nazi regime. this has put a scar on them believing its a new day for germany. but inside, they still put pride in their country by building watever good they can, from their pride of cars, engineering, traditional festivities, and many more.
I think every german is a patriot, but we show it in other ways... We don´t hang out our flags or do other thigs like that, but every german knows: German cars are the best ones, german beer is the best and even a "not militaristic nation" as germany has build the best tank in the world: The Leopard 2 A6!
Almost every german knows about those things and is proud of it, but germans are not proud about their country, they´re proud of what the people do and what we represent in the world...
You are so right, but there is one point i do not agree with you: I, and i think most germans, are not proud about the Leopard 2 A6.
I hate war, and everything that has to do with it. Even though this tank might be a masterpeace of engineering (i dont have a clue^^), it is still a machine that is made to kill people.
I know that military is necessary , but it is nothing i could ever be proud of.
I think Baloth86 means the the well done engineering work on the Leopard is nice. The Leopard was not in action until tody , because only non aggression natons like germany or sweden are owners of the leopard.
British commandos destroyed the research facilities in Norway with the help of the norwegian resistance. That's the reason why Germany never got the bomb.
Asthma is no problem for the Bundeswehr. I got asthma and had to end my apprenticeship after 4 months because the Bundeswehr wanted me to serve my country ;)
This was in 1997 now they don't force people to end their apprenticeship or something else anymore. But I used the chance and signed up for 12 years wich ended 3 days ago. And I dont repent any day. It was not just fun, there were some really hard times, but I will always remember my time in the Bundeswehr in a good way
nobody is exactly proud of that, at the time we were attacked every news banner was flying our flag with a bald eagle in front of it telling us we were attacked and that we should band together, now in america the douchebag liberals are on the far left and asshole conservatives are the opposite...at the time we were pround to defeat a tyrant, and a murderer who probably had nukes and all that since the un gave him 2 months to get rid of them but whatever. we arent pround any more we are confused
well, the point has already been made but still, we germans are not parse anti-military, but it is very controversial to send our soldiers beyond our own borders. we appreciate there help during e.g. floods. but we are sourrouned by friends, i dont know, maybe if there are no enemies in sight, you dont care that much about military.
I am proud to be a German. This is a great country with wonderful people in the past and the present. History makes a country from both sides, good and evil
I am Souldier in the german military "bundeswehr" and im proud to be a part of it. The problem exactly in my opinion is the motivation of the youth not even the system. I also started at the "Bundeswehr" with the opinion i would leave it after 9 months and now im soldier for the next 12 or 13 years of my life..
The best way to describe traditional Germany is comparing with german christmas: you have 2 sides, the good old Niklaus, and the dark, evil Krampus. Indeed, both of them are not even christian, they have pagan origins.
danke jungs ihr habt mich zwei schlaflose stunden unterhalten; und ihr habt mir gezeigt das sich der englisch(für vortgeschrittende^^) kurs auf der abendschule bezahlt hat......
I presume our Army-duty wont stand any longer, doesn't fit wit EU-laws, on the other hand - in our federal law, men and women have a free choise of employment and jobs. So if have man HAVE TO join the Army and women MAY - it's against our constitution...but there are lots of law with an opposite-law in Germany. So it's no wonder our politicians fail with most of their ideas by our highest federal court. Worst ever are our tax-laws, even judges don't really understand them anymore...
germany and USA rock! germans and americans should be proud of themselves!
VanHalen1542 2 years ago
thanks for the video =) really really good. great how you can compare and explain without judging. i am german too and i don't feel very proud of germany... but i like it here ;) and of course i still defend germany when somebody critizises us ;D but that's as far as my patriotism goes
myladypunk 2 years ago
The problem is that we learn in school to be ashamed...
OskarStr 2 years ago
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Semper Fi
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wizzlewizzie 2 years ago
I'm an American and i love Germany infact i have some German blood in me from my moms side of the family I think the Germany and the WORLD should just put the bad stuff in WW2 behind them and look for a brighter future and be proud of your country no matter what country your from cause Hitler did not speak for all of Germans in WW2. :)
HardCor3KiLLa4USA 2 years ago 2
yea that´s right but the thing is that many not-germans have not the same idea of germans as you have because they don´t know germans and if you go abroad as a german and tell people you´re proud to be german some people call you a nazi and so on so it´s not that easy to forget the ww2!!!
MaryCrazy1993 2 years ago
One reason that no real patriostism exist in germany is that the people in the german regions of the country are very different in culture and dialect. If you're a native of cologne for example, the goverment in berlin represent the occupying power of prussian. That's not very serious, but real.
onkelalexxx 2 years ago
I can't understand why the Germans aren't openly proud or patriotic about their country. It's one of the greatest countries in the world. And that war? That was so long ago, todays Germans should not be ashamed of something they weren't part of it. Almost 7 decades, way past the time to move on.
Regards from Brazil.
braziliannyc 2 years ago 3
Germans it is ok to be proud of your country and hate your government
Look at how Bush only had a 15% approval rating last year, but Americans still supported their troops in war because they are normal people just like you and me
Jattmafia313 2 years ago 2
ich mag die sendungen von jim und alex wirklich sehr. aber ich finde alex hat nicht recht, dass es in deutschland gar keinen patriotismus gibt. klart ist es hier nicht so extrem wie in den usa, aber ich denke es gibt schon viele die froh sind in deutschland zu leben.
sersilein 2 years ago 2
da kann man dann wohl eher vaterlandsstolz sagen. ich bin kein patriot, aber ich bin natürlich foh und glücklich deutscher zu sein und in deutschland zu leben. =)
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Frances3654 2 years ago
patriotism ,militarism ,the draft= STUPID
Frances3654 2 years ago
i think over time germany will become a patriotic country.
westlakecowboy 2 years ago
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i miss ww2 germany waffen ss long live nazi GERMANY!!!!
SadCarnage1224 2 years ago
germany seems like a great place
jake4569 2 years ago 4
i think most Germans aren't patriotic because they think that being a patriot is a radical right-winged action^^ So of course they think of Adolf Hitler and what happened in the WWII...
Everytime when I say that I like Germany, all my friends stare at me and say, "what?! do you like the German history?!". Then, I can't give a positive answer... But nevertheless I'm proud of Germany... because Germany managed to change itself into one of the safest and most decent countries :)
Nutzername92a 2 years ago 7
Exactly, everyone acts like that to me, but they fail to realize, no one can change their past.
loydstar1 2 years ago
I see a lot of tanks and troops every day (i live near of a military base and every 4 years there is a big military show.....) thats cool germany rocks!!!
sargentpil 2 years ago
Patriotism shouldn't be confused with supporting any one certain political party. I think that the events of WWII and the radicalism of the German military during that period has forced Germans to not embrace their military as much as in the past in order to make amends for what happened in WWII.
drewboo 2 years ago 2
I'm very jealous of the 1930's patriatism.
b1gr1g 2 years ago
this was a realk good one guys, although its not all true what alex know about military
GermanTHR 2 years ago
good presentation guys
subiaco1 2 years ago 3
germans arent proud of their history..
12 years of hitler and his F***ing regime ruined hundreds of years of great german history with great people like goethe, schiller and so on...
we have to get over it.. but its hard of course..
germans are still in shame for what happened...
highfive96 2 years ago 14
Youre right... and I´m sick of stupid persons who say that all germans are still nazis and crap like that...
oXSimonXo 2 years ago 7
werent germans liberal before hitler came?
lovergurlz10001 2 years ago 3
well, the government called itself an liberal democracy... till the end of the first world war Germany was an empire (Kaiserreich) and the Weimarer Republik was a mix of a presidential and parliamentary system... but the most people and parties were left winged or right winged and tried to bring down the government
AlphaTB 2 years ago
Yay for Germans, gotta love anti-patriotism. :)
PradedaCech 2 years ago
I was in an international language camp in the US with 20 Germans and about 30 ppl from other countries. Our teacher asked us to say whether we are proud of our country. ALL not-germans said yes, ALL germans said NO! The not-germans were shocked as was i...
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IvanGrosny86 2 years ago
I am a proud german guy and I go to the german military after I studied my job.Thanks and hounor every fallen german soldier
PatriotKL 2 years ago
LOL its not looked down on to say my back itches to get out of going into the military its looked down to go to the military. WOW
MacBookGuy91 2 years ago
But next my Town (Hannover,Niederschsen) is a smaller City Hildesheim and there are air shows with military Planes and air fighters o0ne time in a year
MAxileinchen1995 2 years ago
What the german guy is talking is not 100% right he speaks about his experiences but there is more to know
Schabiber1982 2 years ago
I'd like to know.
MacBookGuy91 2 years ago
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ejj ich schwörs euch dieser alex neh deR MACHT DEUTSCHLAND so schlecht und labert nur scheiße voll der türke haha
also ob man nie bundeswehr farzeuge sieht wir sind halt nicht so kreigbessessen und das ist auch gut so!!!!!!!!was bringt das wenn wir uns angucken wie kampfflugzeuge durch die luft fliegen??
rwefan94 2 years ago
i think it is really good, that you both are talking about the differences between both countrys to help that people understand more about each other and noticing that they have had disadvantages
kaffeelisa 2 years ago
I think everybody should be proud of their country. Germans and people should look past the WWII and the old Germany and see how well Germany has grown since then. Same with Japan.
kreiger 2 years ago 4
America look at this and do not think that we are militaristic and nazis!!!
EGJMV 2 years ago 9
Are you saying that this video will change peoples minds of those who think that Germans are militaristic and nazis Or are you saying that germans are militaristic and nazis.
I never thought Germans were nazis but I did think that they were kinda militaristic strict like.
MacBookGuy91 2 years ago
where is the mistake?
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Don't generalize! *rüffel* *rüffel*
Methoxypropan 2 years ago
What do you mean mistake.
MacBookGuy91 2 years ago
generalization of a nation leaves out the existence of every individual human being in there.
Methoxypropan 2 years ago
I know that.I have heard stories of people i know going to europe and getting snickered at for being american.
Just because they were american did not mean they were bush lovers or hatted the people there.
And if they did not like the people there then why did they go there.
MacBookGuy91 2 years ago
great videos guys! always hitting the nail on the head! weiter so!
llazyoli 2 years ago 5
yeah blue angels! :)
they're from where I live, pensacola
madrileno89 2 years ago
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Nice show, nette Sendung.
I think patriotism is primitiv and the future is a united world, where you can be proud of the world.
KillerKuerbis 2 years ago
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i think we germans are really peceful, but if you attack us, you get fucked deep in your ass...
mtfcs 2 years ago
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Yeah, i have to agree.
Usally Germany is a great and peacefull country. But if you try 2 fuck with us, u get fucked back 1000 times more.
Countach187 2 years ago
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NJRocks281 -- Military state , only 4% ,,, impossible ...
aviomaster 2 years ago
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-- USA is military STATE ,,, 800 bases around the world ,, will bankrupt them ,, the world will noy pay for your militarisation ,, USA ...
aviomaster 2 years ago
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us military spending is 4% of gdp like any other country
NJRocks281 2 years ago
Veteran Martin Brech of Mahopac, in 1945, was an 18 year old Private First Class in Company C of the 14th Infantry, assigned as a guard and interpreter at the Eisenhower Death Camp at Andernach, along the Rhine River. He stated: "My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF'S) were met with hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our deliberate policy not to adequately feed them.
adilmd 2 years ago
It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, were denied.
adilmd 2 years ago
Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi
Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy as many of them as he could.More than one million seven hundred thousand German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the war criminal General Dwight David Eisenhower.
adilmd 2 years ago
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But the most German prisoners of war died in the russian camps...and the German soldiers did much more cruel in the world...
And to Dresden and the other cities in Germany being bombed: In the 40's you didn't had a GPS system or something like this. The pilots had to navigate with the stars, so sometimes they didn't even bombed the right city - so there was no way to bomb something smaller than a little village, because you can't find the target...(that the opinion of a German)
Dubbel14 2 years ago
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and he was himself from german race
introduction1988 2 years ago
I was thinking recently, what is really going on? Let us compare France with the neighbor countries. France suffered a lot with WW2 (human losses, bombings, families separated) and a catastrophic defeat in 1940. And they do not have the neverending discussions about WW2 and small radical groups (extreme left, extreme right, social experiments) do not flourish like mushrooms. What is going on? Some ideological left-overs from DDR (GDR) secret agencies?
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
Humanism is the answer that we need. The most important thing is the individual, beyond every conceivable system. We don't have to build imaginary (and sometimes dehumanizing) systems. We have to focus on the persons and let the individuals be happy.
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
if I was German i will be mad Patriot even no WWII
fistocruz 3 years ago
why ?
CossacksChampion 2 years ago
A lot of Germans are even Anti-German.
Especially for the political left, patriotism is the same like fascism
bowman2064 3 years ago
What do you have, is a misunderstanding of "german unity". (Deutsche Einheit). It means, to keep the country united, under principles of democracy and liberty (and humanism, of course), the original idea that emerged after Napoleon's invasion. Problems arise, when you want to extend your "unity" OUTSIDE the actual borders, oppressing others, or the opposite, if you destroy the unity that you already have...Then your false "unity" had became an IDEOLOGY, that controls people
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
Yeah, yeah sure nationalism taken to extreme is bad... what is alternative, mister? Germany like ALL other Euro states is based around idead of nation-state and self-determination.
I mentioned Americas, because ethnic Germans there are OBVIOUSLY quite proud of their heritage. They don´t have the citizenship, but you wouldn´t doubt their roots for a second...
The moment you let socialists replace your culture and kindred, it won´t be Germany anymore. Do you understand?
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
The difference is attitude, I can be patriotic and build a school for the children of my country. But I may be become "too patriotic" (imperialist) and destroy an enemy school from the country next to me.
The point is, that the national socialist propaganda abused of german patriotism, romanticism, songs, folk movements, literature, so it practically eroded and corrupted them, so the original meaning of the german values was lost.
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
Ah... I understand better, now. Ok.
So do you agree, that post-war socialists of Germany took the idea of anti-imperialism a little too far?
The current system is broken. If the "original values" were indeed corrupted, then retake (hell, black Americans were even capable to reclaim the word "nigger") and reshape them! Because abandoning them altogether is not working.
Germans unlike Americans are distinct ethnic and they shouldn´t be ashamed of that.
Greetings from Czech rep.
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
In the current system, there are tiny radical groups, which abuse of the "politically correct" concept to implant new ideas in the minds of people.They have no ethics.
Politically correct is actually, to show respect for the others, not to implant new ideas and systems. I recommend the 1984 novels and "Brave new World".
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
In all the gamut of groups that call themselves "socialisms", you wil see, that although there are people who cares for health and education, there are also crazy radicals. How to build "socialism" with antisocial people?
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
Many people is proud of their heritage as long as it makes a good image for them. But when the conversation goes into the opposite way, people will even change their roots to poles or hungarians.
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SamuGER 3 years ago
Du bist also nicht stolz auf unsere Zukunft...hmhm.
Und dass "Land" eigentlich "country" heißt, ist dir wohl auch neu...
Bachtin08 3 years ago
The point is, after many decades (even centuries) of prussian militarism, which affected deeply the society (garrisons in each town, a society built according to military degrees, paramilitary groups for every age, parades), all become nonsense when you face real war.
KronprinzAdam 3 years ago
Maybe, you Germans forgot, that military is useful for one pretty cool thing - defending your fucking way of life.
I´m quite surprised, that German socialists didn´t already disband military altogether.
Man... there is difference between learning from past mistakes and being ashamed of your blood.
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
Have you seen the film "Napola"?
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
man, get your facts straight, Germany is in fact now ruled by a chancellor from a conservative party
GuardianOfTrash 2 years ago
Not only the CDU is conservative... the whole way many Germans think is...
jzaboo1984 2 years ago
CDU and FDP is conservative the other parties (SPD, Die Grünen (The Greens) and Die Linke (The left Party) arent conservatie.
wuselcat 2 years ago
Officially yes but to be conservative means to protect financial goods and influence against critique. Even whether the SPD calls itself "social democrats" they also defend their financial goods in a certain way. So it's all about the point of view of every polition how a party acts. Man I hate politics anyway... too much talking without good results...
jzaboo1984 2 years ago
Perhaps you shouldn't forget that Die Grünen and SPD send the Bundeswehr to Afghanistan. So what? Only conservative support the military?
Sternchen296 2 years ago
The US Liberal part is still a lot more on the right of the political spectrum than Germany's CDU. It all depends on the point of view. As funny as it is, the SPD would probably be labeled as socialist here in the USA.
1029blue 2 years ago 4
ihr habt ne gute filmserie!!:) .. es sehr interessant...die militär und politik...aber ich will mal sagn daß ich bin sehr glücklich ein deutscher zu sein und in deutschland zu leben (ich bin übringens kein neo!) ich glaub daß deutschland einfach wunderbar ist und wir können stolz drauf haben! sei nicht beschämpt! D-E-U-T-S-C-H-L-A-N-D das heißt Schwarz Rot Geil!!!!
deutsch56 3 years ago
Patriotism for a German is a almost a taboo subject. As a German when you say that you are proud to be a German you are considered as National Socialist aka Nazi by the German population. But only by them. Since I'm living abroad and I'm talking with my friends and colleagues about patriotism they do not have a problem with me being proud to be a German. It's just the feeling of being guilty for the crime against humanity back in WW II. We should get over it but still we must not forget.
SDS0411 3 years ago 4
Yeah, I was shocked, that Germans living in Brazil or Argentine for 100+ years are much better at preserving their heritage and way of life, than the "people", who remained home.
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
They had a rural way of life, like it was in Central Europe 100 years ago...before excessive industralization..and apocalyptical wars, of course. In South America, they have even bands that play tradicional folk music (e.g. Die Dorfmusikanten from Argentina), while in Europe, the tunes are rarely heard, and you got...hip-hop in german. Some folk songs were even "militarised" before WW2, take a popular song and change the lyrics to sing together with the local garrisons...
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
You Adam, argue with "false unity" and connect it with nationalism... hm, I don´t see anything wrong to celebrate ARCHIEVEMENTS of ancestors with people of shared lineage, culture, language and history.
If nationalism smells of "false unity" what would you say about multiculturalism? What to celebrate there? Importing wage slaves enmasse to first world countries? Ethnic tensions? Reverse racism? Twisted labour market? Cultural subjugation of natives to bussines interests?
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
I understand "false unity" when you start to "unify" territories and populations that do not belong to you, by force. This is actually, plundering. I see nothing wrong in remembering the achievements of a civilization. In fact, I admire Goethe, Schiller, Bach, Beethoven, von Humboldt, the Grimm Brothers... identified as "germans". The truth is, that these achievements, in science, art, exploration letters and humanism, are beyond frontiers, they are not german anymore, but universal.
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
Cheap labor under poor conditions exists.Millions of people from rural areas all over the world are forced to move somewhere else to build highways and railroads...why, if the third world is plenty of resources and the land is obviously fertile?
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
I aways thought that the germans were the most patriots
It seems that many things have changed since WWII
Manuelsk850 3 years ago
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Bachtin08 3 years ago
absolutly!
in germany is no patriotism like in the usa.
if you say "i am proud of my country"
you will banned :)
like eva harbermann!
hard reality..
the blame of WW2 is still there..
it needs more time
schranzpizza 3 years ago
@schranzpizza
noch mehr zeit???
ich bin amerikanerin bin aber in deutschland aufgewachsen....ich finde die deutschen die heute leben koennen nichts fuer das handeln der frueheren generationen
es ist an der zeit ...das man nicht auf die deutschen herabsieht und sagt du bist ein nazi weil du dein land liebst und dort gerne lebst.....es ist zeit das die deutschen ihre "freiheit" zurueck bekommen...den respekt den jedesl and fuer sich beansprucht auch wieder den deutschen zugestehen mag
xGERxTsalagi 2 years ago
ganz genau!
aber wenn nicht grade fussball WM in deutschland ist, ist es dein gesellschaftlicher tot im fernsehen zu sagen "ich bin gerne deutsch" oder sowas..
verstehe ich auch nicht. ich sag nur Eva Habermann oder das nazometer bei harald schmidt.. beweise das sich noch nichts der gleichen getan hat!
schranzpizza 2 years ago
Aha und wie soll das deiner Meinung nach funktionieren? Es gibt genug Deutsche die das Kapitel 2.Weltkrieg satt haben, aber es gibt immer die andere Seite von Deutschen die meint wir können das nicht oft genug nochmal durchkauen...
Luflandebrigade31 2 years ago
what song is it at the end?
gdansk0512 3 years ago
Cool show guys!! It is very interessting!! But i think that patriotism is a bad thing. Nobody needs it. You can be proud of you when you did something good or special. But when you are proud of you because u was just born in a country it is very sad.
(ps: I am from Poland :P)
Eksclusiv 3 years ago 2
well, i think patriotism ist a positive thing. if it becomes nationalism it´s terrible of course. but if you don´t have any patriotism it just means you don´t care about other people in you society at all.
patriotism can be also seen as a kind of happiness about being born in a country and about living there.
and you can be proud of your ancetors´ effort.
patriotism also connects people and makes them stand together and help each other.
that´s how i define it ;)
Runfire91 3 years ago 3
i have to say that the german patriotism has increased during the past 3-4 years (after the world championship in soccer). in germany we call it the "Neuer Patriotismus" (new patriotism). but this new patriotism is only shared by the younger generation that was born around the time of the reunification (1990).
more and more young people are proud of their country, but they are also aware of the history. germany is the last country that would fall back into such dark times as WW2 was.
Runfire91 3 years ago 4
I totally agree.
steffff86 3 years ago
totally agree.
Ciliiiaaa 3 years ago
I think about European "patriotism" very differently than what we have here - in Europe, there are borders and countries and ethnicities that go way, way back, with language, culture differences, but these are so ingrained and old that it's nothing to necessarily cheer for - while the US is so young and all but our native population are recent immigrants, so the collective "us" is defined, rather than by ethnicity, by borders. So we have more impetus to be patriotic - you know?
chpoptart 3 years ago 5
In Germany do you read "Im westen nicht neues"?
Himmelmann16 3 years ago
No xD
OptimusPrime420s 3 years ago
That surprises me, its not only the best antiwar novel ever written but it is also written by a German.
Himmelmann16 3 years ago
Many do, but I only watch the film from ~1930. I think it was a German-American production.
Hhutuber 3 years ago
"OptimusPrime420", welche Schule besuchst du denn? Wir haben das in der Mittelstufe gelesen.
Neitschel 3 years ago
Its truly sad that one of the greatest Countries in the world isnt allowed to be patriots, Im a German-American and I take pride in my roots but I dont believe cultural pride means that you are racist
Himmelmann16 3 years ago
somewhat "sad" but true...
but that's exactly how i'd have described my countries menthlity/patrioti sense... (not meaning it in a bad way) ...still waving the blk/red/glden banner
...but patriotism aint patriotism!!!
Biest1983 3 years ago
aww i was gunna go there with my friend but his school was in the way
codyschuyler 3 years ago
I was in the German Air Force for 9 months because it is a family tradition and I was proud to wear the German flag but Alex is right, we Germans arent patriots, because of the2nd world war.
I was after the Air Force a year in Austrlia and almost shocked, what a good picture people from other countries have about Germany =)
USA & GERMANY
Tekk87 3 years ago 7
germany and usa ftw!!!!!!!!!!
AmbitiousERIC 3 years ago 4
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It's a shame Germans don't learn about WW2. It's possible to study the history objectivly. Hiding from your past doesn't help you grow.
umilmi81 3 years ago
wtf? we don't learn about ww2? are you joking?
i've been to three different schools and about 1/3 of the history lessons was about 1933-1945. we know more about our history than any other country... trust me. every school class has a school excursion to former concentration camp for example. so yes, we learn about ww2!
yoschi84 3 years ago 5
we learn much about the historical, political and social aspects of the second world war, but we dont learn about where the front line was in a special year, we dont learn much about important battles and stuff like that. i think that was what alex meant. all in all you can say we dont learn much about the military aspects of ww2.
mgah 3 years ago
in our history lessons there is like yoschi sad 1/3 about ww2.. much of the important german literature is about ww2, so in our german lessons ww2 is a big theme. in lessons of religion, philosophie, art, geographie etc.. there are parts about ww2. and this is only where you are confronted with it in school.
please do not think we hide from our past.
sorry for my mistakes :)
greetings from germany
mgah 3 years ago 4
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Cause and Effect. In Germany, there are great analysis about the causes, how the excessive militarism and lack of effective democracy can distort a society. People are brainwashed with propaganda and used as human weapons, and the social issues are often ignored. Local politicians take the issue again and again to make comparisons and attract the attention.
Outside Germany, the discussion is more about strategies, weapons, battles (the effect) and even (harmless) re-enactment clubs.
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
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You mean like human nature?
flynn2008 2 years ago
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Yes, human nature in a positive way, to focus on the individuals and on their rights, so people can enjoy life peacefully with their families. Science then it is used to improve the quality of life, so as medicine, education, health, nutrition...
When you enslave other people or militarise them, or you made their conditions of life terrible, then you're not humanist anymore. You don't care about the others, like ns, commies, imperialists, colonialists and aggresive capitalists
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
Listen to Alex! We don't learn anything about military, we're learning about the politics and the background.
German students learn about the topic 1933-1945 at an age of 16-19. This is a must! The question is " how could this happen?" and not " how many battles did the Wehrmacht (germany army at WW2) win?"
I've learned a lot about this topic and I've visited concentration camps (Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz) - as many other students!
ruhri0411 3 years ago 3
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain
macedbythepopo 3 years ago
if i had to go to another country it would be germany
fsxPWM 3 years ago 6
i´m a German Airborne and i love my Country and i´m a patriot
Germany and USA
are the best Countries in this world!!!!!!
champion63225 3 years ago 4
hey alex, is it really so easy to become "ausgemustert"? How did you manage it?
drinkGinAWild 3 years ago
To get "ausgemustert" you have first to decide you want to join the military, because if you refuse it you never get "ausgemustert" and have to do the civilian service...
Then you have to have hughe health or psychological problems or at least have to fake them believeable!
the0815guy 3 years ago
i think the differences between both cultures are interesting. you guys make a great show! keep up the good work!
dfcr83 3 years ago
proud to be german!
ich bin stolz auf mein land
auf die ns zeit bin ich nicht stolz , aber diese zeiten sind längst vorbei..
military and patriotism isnt compatible
Itachi18x 3 years ago
i´m proud to be german ... when i was in the bundeswehr, we were at a us army facility (larson barracks) in bavaria for 2 months. on our days off we used to hang out with the us guys, drinking beer or having a BBQ.
but there are events where bundeswehr is presenting itself, like the ILA (internationale luftfahrt-ausstellung) in berlin or the official presentation of the new leopard 2A6 tank in schwarzheide ...
sporthamster83 3 years ago
being patriotic does not have to be about being militaristic or anything army related. goethe was a patriot.every german is proud of different achievements of germans regardless if 4m germany or not. german history is too long to degrade it to 12 years 1933-45.
tonganpride81 3 years ago 3
Also ich hatte alles versucht um ausgemustert zu werden. Skulliose, Herzkrankheiten in meiner Familie, Diabethis, Neurotermites, Schuppenflechte und Migräne.
Dennoch wurde ich T2 eingestuft und bin zum Bund gegangen. Und soll ich euch etwas sagen? Es war die beste Entscheidung meines Leben. Man lernt Disziplin und kann, wenn man sich als Fwdl (23 Monate) meldet, richtig viel Kohle machen und bekommt sehr viel bezahlt. Abgesehen davon sind nur die ersten 3 Monate wirklich hart. Von da her.
AnuBarak1986 3 years ago
I met wonderful people here in the US, but I will never be patriotic, I neither feel patriotic for Germany, nor for the US, I also don't support the military...Ithink patriotism is something terrible-...
But I stopped judging people for feeling that way ;)
muchtoocrazy 3 years ago
yes, i think everybody has to decide.
in cologne we like to say "Jede Jeck is anders" that means the people are not equal
ydrgn 3 years ago
Also ich bin Patriot und stolz auf mein Land. So wie man es eigentlich sein sollte und so wie es in jedem anderen Land als selbstverständlich gilt.
Amerika will ich mal besuchen...irgendwann.
nukethefridge1982 3 years ago
Bitte können Sie auf Englisch explain to me, are all German men required to join the military?
Eine Freundin (aus Deutschland) sagt sie hat ihren Mann geheiratet, so nicht muss er das Militär anschließen. Ich verstehe nicht, is military required from men?
Terlaudo 3 years ago
No it isnt. But if you refuse to join the military, you'll have to do alternative civilian service. No matter what you decide to do, German people will look at you without appreciation.
This country is sooo fucked up....
Bachtin08 3 years ago
If you are married or 2 older brothers of you went to the Bundeswehr you do not need to go.
ydrgn 3 years ago
best episode!
pixartist 3 years ago
I have asthma and allergy but I have to go to military >:(
Pr0zaxX 3 years ago
@PrüzaxX - you don't have to join the army, you can do social work instead in Germany! Maybe you are to slim? - a friend of mine could avoid army cause he was too fat for regular uniform - no joke!
HesseJamez 3 years ago
Yes I could do social work. But what I wanted is to do nothing like that.
Many people aren't even examined.
In my eyes it es arbitrariness.
I mean everybody who does not have to join the army has advantages.
They can study 1 year earlier than everybody who has to.
And women don't have to go there, too.
That in my eyes is unfair because our law says that men and women are equal.
So my problem is that everybody or nobody should be forced to do army/social service.
And I want to study. 1 Year lost.
Pr0zaxX 3 years ago
@PrüzaxX...ja, im Prinzip hatte ich ein paar Seiten vorher schonmal genau das geschrieben.
Unsere Wehrpflicht ist eh ein Auslaufmodell.
Vorm Bund komplett drücken kann man sich noch mit einem guten Psychiater (Depressionen, ADHS kriegste immer attestiert), drastischem Übergewicht oder Verpflichtung bei THW oder Freiwilliger Feuerwehr. Schwulsein reicht wohl nicht mehr.
HesseJamez 3 years ago
Wenn man sich so was wie ADHS attestieren lässt, hat man das aber immer im Lebenslauf.
Und mit ner psychischen Störung später einen guten Job zu kriegen ist auch schlecht.
Das gemeine ist, dass aus meinem Jahrgan Leute ausgemustert wurden, die um einiges gesünder sind als ich. Ich hab Allergien und leichtes Asthma. Die haben gar nichts.
Wie du sagtest: Auslaufmodell.
Und meiner Meinung nach auch reinste Willkür, da nicht mal jeder gemustert wird.
Pr0zaxX 3 years ago
in was für einem lebenslauf soll das denn bitte stehn ? uns seit wann muß man bei arbeitgebern krankheiten angeben ? desweiteren ist es dem arbeitgeber verboten solche daten überhaupt nur einzusehn, du bist wirklich unglaublich schlecht informiert, wirklich erschreckend.
zeB1b3r 2 years ago
i honestly understand why germans are not so patriotic about their country, coz ww2 had a long term effect on germans. i mean, who would ever be patriotic of their country if it was being ruled by a Nazi regime. this has put a scar on them believing its a new day for germany. but inside, they still put pride in their country by building watever good they can, from their pride of cars, engineering, traditional festivities, and many more.
jhc28 3 years ago 2
I think every german is a patriot, but we show it in other ways... We don´t hang out our flags or do other thigs like that, but every german knows: German cars are the best ones, german beer is the best and even a "not militaristic nation" as germany has build the best tank in the world: The Leopard 2 A6!
Almost every german knows about those things and is proud of it, but germans are not proud about their country, they´re proud of what the people do and what we represent in the world...
Baloth86 3 years ago 12
You are so right, but there is one point i do not agree with you: I, and i think most germans, are not proud about the Leopard 2 A6.
I hate war, and everything that has to do with it. Even though this tank might be a masterpeace of engineering (i dont have a clue^^), it is still a machine that is made to kill people.
I know that military is necessary , but it is nothing i could ever be proud of.
Boahnico 3 years ago 3
I think Baloth86 means the the well done engineering work on the Leopard is nice. The Leopard was not in action until tody , because only non aggression natons like germany or sweden are owners of the leopard.
ydrgn 3 years ago
I personally am very proud of the fact that germany has NO atomic bomb!
(and if i could decide i would give those wich are placed in germany back to the usa...)
Boahnico 3 years ago
British commandos destroyed the research facilities in Norway with the help of the norwegian resistance. That's the reason why Germany never got the bomb.
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
Every country has good things. There is nothing bad in enjoying them!
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
As a Zivi you even get more money!!!
omahabeach05 3 years ago
Not always. A soldier can easily earn more than 800€ if the way between his hometown and his base is long enough.
Vidwill 3 years ago
Asthma is no problem for the Bundeswehr. I got asthma and had to end my apprenticeship after 4 months because the Bundeswehr wanted me to serve my country ;)
This was in 1997 now they don't force people to end their apprenticeship or something else anymore. But I used the chance and signed up for 12 years wich ended 3 days ago. And I dont repent any day. It was not just fun, there were some really hard times, but I will always remember my time in the Bundeswehr in a good way
smallSoldier30 3 years ago 2
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In Germany we havent one of this things! XD
and Merkel is like Hell
HimH7 3 years ago
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hey jim,
if you say you are a patriot does that mean that you are proud of the bush government and actions in afghanistan and iraq?
geilerhengxt83 3 years ago
If you are a patriot you are proud on your nation's history and on it's culture, not on your president...
berlina44 3 years ago 9
nobody is exactly proud of that, at the time we were attacked every news banner was flying our flag with a bald eagle in front of it telling us we were attacked and that we should band together, now in america the douchebag liberals are on the far left and asshole conservatives are the opposite...at the time we were pround to defeat a tyrant, and a murderer who probably had nukes and all that since the un gave him 2 months to get rid of them but whatever. we arent pround any more we are confused
joker52mlb 3 years ago
well, the point has already been made but still, we germans are not parse anti-military, but it is very controversial to send our soldiers beyond our own borders. we appreciate there help during e.g. floods. but we are sourrouned by friends, i dont know, maybe if there are no enemies in sight, you dont care that much about military.
armatus99 3 years ago
I am proud to be a German. This is a great country with wonderful people in the past and the present. History makes a country from both sides, good and evil
exup750 3 years ago 8
I am Souldier in the german military "bundeswehr" and im proud to be a part of it. The problem exactly in my opinion is the motivation of the youth not even the system. I also started at the "Bundeswehr" with the opinion i would leave it after 9 months and now im soldier for the next 12 or 13 years of my life..
GermanSoldier1988 3 years ago 3
The best way to describe traditional Germany is comparing with german christmas: you have 2 sides, the good old Niklaus, and the dark, evil Krampus. Indeed, both of them are not even christian, they have pagan origins.
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
There is a famous German U-Boat here in the US, the U-505 in Chicago.
carsmasher 3 years ago
ILA!!!!
Spritzwurst 3 years ago
danke jungs ihr habt mich zwei schlaflose stunden unterhalten; und ihr habt mir gezeigt das sich der englisch(für vortgeschrittende^^) kurs auf der abendschule bezahlt hat......
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rohkost4alle 3 years ago
too much beer and oom pa pa music they go on the march again!
zillsbury 3 years ago
I presume our Army-duty wont stand any longer, doesn't fit wit EU-laws, on the other hand - in our federal law, men and women have a free choise of employment and jobs. So if have man HAVE TO join the Army and women MAY - it's against our constitution...but there are lots of law with an opposite-law in Germany. So it's no wonder our politicians fail with most of their ideas by our highest federal court. Worst ever are our tax-laws, even judges don't really understand them anymore...
HesseJamez 3 years ago
how about the economic system in Germany, in particular taxes.
FearTheVest 3 years ago