Elections & campaign against undocumented workers

[ThunderheadNebula]

C SPAN “Black Republican Forum” Session 2 (begin at 11:30) Allen West said one of the 1986 caveats was to secure our borders and enforcement our laws, but haven’t happened. (We’re still talking about new amnesty like DREAM Act.) We can’t allow local cities to make sanctuary cities policies, because they will bring our inner city turf wars to epic proportions by bringing in the drug cartel and Columbian gangs. (Mexican Gangs don’t recognize our borders established by the Treaty of Guadalupe)

[ThunderheadNebula]

In November 2010, the unemployment rate was 9.8% with 15.1 million unemployed. (15.1 million/9.8%) = 154 million are able to work in the workforce. 11,941,812 (or 11.9 million) skilled jobs provided to illegal immigrants. GOOGLE “illegal immigration counters”, the 15.1 million unemployed could take the 11.9 million available jobs. The unemployment rate could be reduced to 2.1% {{15.1-11.9)/154}

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Allen West 2012

[BoxGuy1951]

Uhmmm Sam- Are YOU here Legally and can you prove it ? We DO NOT NEED or WANTYOU or YOUR PEOPLE here in the USA. Did you get it that time ? GO FUCKING BACK HOME and STAY THERE ! ASSHOLE !!!

[delancey100]

Marshalltown has become a haven for illegals, who steal someones identity and use there name to get services.

[jimj122680]

Liberals who support illegal immigrants are actually (unknowingly) siding with greedy U.S. corporations. Why? Because they (ie. liberals) are protecting corporate America's cheap labor workers.

WHO WINS? Greedy companies AND illegal workers (earning FAR more than in Mexico).

WHO LOSES? The U.S. labor class (U.S. proletariat) via job losses to illegal workers & depressed wages.

Thus 122 years of U.S. labor struggle (carried out since the Haymarket Rebellion of 1886) is being undermined.

[BoxGuy1951]

@jimj122680 Exactly correct Sir !

[vmreyes]

They don't work in mexico or their countries because of ameican imperialism dating back to the monroe doctrine era. And accelerating when Teddy Roosevelt invaded cuba in the early 1900s. From that point on, Latin America was the US's back yard to milk the goods, and throw the trash on. With treaties such as NAFTA and CAFTA, the unilateral reduction of levies by 80% for all countries (besides the US), now allows the US to legally exploit these countries.

Learn your facts buddy. Don't be a tard

[Kabloooy]

I'm tired of other countries blaming the US on problems in their own countries.

It's not my fault that mexican citizens are invading my community. As a matter of fact if I lived in a border state I would join the minutemen and help to prevent it.

Mexico sucks because they elect corrupt leaders and the drug dealers run the country.

If mexicans don't like it then they need to change it and stay in their own damn country. We don't need them bringing their problems to the US!

[BoxGuy1951]

@vmreyes - BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH !!! WAHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHH WAHHHH . I had to come here WAHHHHHHH WAHHHHHH No more jobs inm mexiscum and my wife ( my sister ) she is pregnant again because I cant stop fucking her. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Go BACK HOME TO Mmexiscum you scumbag CRIMINAL while you are still able to !

[magyart]

Help fight illegal immigration. Support the SAVE Act. The House bill HR4088 has 132 co-sponsors, but needs more. The Senate's version S2368 has only three.

This bill forces all employers to verify social security numbers.

Contact your elected reps. and demand they co-sponsor this new legislation.

Visit NumbersUSA for more details.

[Luxvii08]

WHO IS OBAMA'S TOP ADVISER ?

HOW GODLY IS HE ?. Why the media favors Obama ?

Keep your head BURIED in the SAND. Research his key adviser:

search;""Zbigniew Brzezinski to Jihadists: Your cause is right!"

- Obama's top adviser IS Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski gave an interview to the

French press a number of years ago where he boasted about the fact that it

was HE who created the whole Afghan jihadi movement, the movement

that produced OSAMA bin Laden. True occurrence ! MEDITATE !

[oldhacks]

search Mike Gravel on this issue. he stands behind amnesty and allowing these people to become Americans.

[calmemaggie]

everyone is being "used"...the middleclass has been destroyed...after this destruction..the poor are no trouble to control...It does not matter whether you vote for Hillary or Obama

Ron Paul is the only one that wants to keep our Constitution in place..anyone else = WW3 Both sides are for NEW World Order.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

Exactly Ron Paul is the only one who both recognizes the hazards of unrestricted immigration AND the Unites States role in creating the economic disasters abroad which cause the people to want to come here illegally in the first place. He doesn't just want to stop the freebies, he wants to get America out of everyone else's business.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

This is bullshit. I'm disappointed with realnews. Allowing millions of illegal immigrants into this country bankrupts hospitals,overloads schools and destroys the gains labor groups sacrificed so much to achieve for the working class. No more living wages 4 Americans, an illegal will do it cheaper.

No more overtime, no more safety, illegals don't complain. Then tax dollars are spent on social services for them while citizens go without health insurance.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

Then if you complain you're called lazy and racist.

Way to play into the hands of globalists wanting to destroy the working and middle classes. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Fuck you realnews!

[ZoeyMacaroni]

There is insurance out there for everyone it cost money sure but it is worth it.  Overtime...what is that salaried people are the real working for peanuts people working 70 hrs a week do the math.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

Illegals aren't taking the salaried jobs. They are taking the jobs that pay hourly and they do NOT get paid for overtime. You do the math.

And, no, there is not insurance out there for everyone. Even if you have insurance the co-pays can ruin you. If you're legal. If you're illegal they can't find you and thr cost of caring for them goes onto tax payers or the hospital goes bankrupt.

[calmemaggie]

you cannot even find a "full-time" job if you are an American....Our economy is being destroyed from the inside with all these people that have come here. After Clinton "outsourced" most of our businesses..thee is not much left...So you better buy American...and stop shopping Walmart!

[ldg21]

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[ZoeyMacaroni]

End social services for any immigrant. End subsidizing. End PreK and Kinder. Start 1st grade at age 5 1/2 by August. End High School at age 17. Mandatory community service at 17 for diploma qualifications. People at poverty level will stop having kids. For ten years enforce a 2 child limit per man not woman to get rid of deadbeat dads. Put a fence up. End Nafta. Take care of those Americans that have paid their dues Retirees and Retired Military.

[akadabba]

Lol, and what happens when a man has three kids by accident? We kill em off?

[ZoeyMacaroni]

Make them pay tuition for public school for that extra person $7K for 12 yrs = 84K is that a good deterent to stop doing the baby dance.

[Tihbialdunav]

Welcome to Nazi America. Invade all countries in the world , kill them all and call it quits. But first invade US-the state, which spends BILLIONS on weapons of mass destruction. USA=a satanic culture worshipping GENOCIDE!

[ZoeyMacaroni]

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[robyyo]

NAFTA has ruined Mexico and the United States is next. Illegal immigrants are the scape goats for corporate greed. That's what's up.

[saper321]

This entire debate about immigration really makes me uncomfortable. It seems people blame Mexicans for all their problems. Economy is bad blame Mexicans. Health care is broken blame Mexicans. You cannot find job blame Mexicans. Soon most people will think that if we could only get rid of Mexicans our problems would go away. This type of thinking can lead to a tragedy.

[divinejudge1]

immigrant workers, are scapegoats for many national problems. The truth is they provide the economy wirh a cheap labor force. GOOD FOR THOSE WHO CONTROL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. BAD FOR THOSE WHO FOUGHT FOR LABOR RIGHTS AND UNIONS TO DEFENT THE WORKER.

Illegal immigrants undo all the progress done in the name of labor unions and the rights of the worker.

As citizens ppl should fix the problems in their nations.

[manchebu]

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

---This poem by Emma Lazarus is graven on a tablet within the pedestal on which the Statue of Liberty stands---

[manchebu]

Real Americans support immigration! I'm a real American, a true patriot. Immigrants, come here and stand up for your rights, enrich this country with your human values, teach us tolerance and love. We need you immigrants from all over the world!!

[abram730]

manchebu, Amend it to this.

"We will make you tired, make you poor.

We will make you huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse teeming shore to shore. We will make you homeless and tempest-tost. I lift my lamp only to see a rusted door."

[abram730]

Although I waste my breath as America is not a Democracy and votes do not mater. Democracy, a hollow dream. See Mexico is a land of riches too. Capitalism now eats its self. Why is it that Ford payed his workers well? We are loosing that and I blame brain dead buffoons that speak of globalization without any idea of what they are talking about. I know the law of the jungle.. Do you? For that is the result of Milton Friedman's ideas.

[manchebu]

True. America is not a democracy. The only democracies on this continent are those in Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and Argentina.

[websuspect]

Give us 30 Million of your festering stinking, TB infested, leper infested alcholic south Americans Yearning to be free. The Heck with Mexico, lets turn America into Mexico, the CFR and NAFTA can do it. To Arms, America is being taken over by the CFR and the trilateral commission and they will give all yoru jobs to china or Mexico to do it.

[kschumannjr]

"Give us 30 Million of your festering stinking, TB infested, leper infested alcoholic"

Hey, leave Kentucky, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Mississippi, and Alabama out of this.

[antiklaus]

The Latino leaders who are playing the long game would vote for Ron Paul. While his agenda at first blush seems more of same, look at it in detail.

He's said "if American's economy was strong, we would be generous to all our immigrants."

His plan would allow the economy to grow, while all the others want to keep the same banking controlled cartels in charge.

As the citizens of Mexico if banks have EVER helped them. The answer is a clear "NO!"

[manchebu]

Ron Paul is naive. He believes immigrants are here only for the freebies. Actually, immigrants come here only for JOBS! He has no clue and no solution. Kucinich does have a real solution which involves bringing back US corporations from Mexico. These have devastated Mexico's economy and caused immigration to the US.

[antiklaus]

He doesn't think illegals are here for the freebies. He thinks they are here for the opportunities. Which they are.

Kucinich has not made a single move to stop the NAU, or even acknowledge it. Paul has.

The NAU would send Mexicans back to Mexico, but because the US economy would be no better than theirs.

[websuspect]

I dont have any health care. The illegal aliens have healthcare, there taking all the services and jobs and I get none. I have a college degree and I havent had healthcare in 14 years. i work jobs but I dont get healthcare. I speak english and I was born here. You were welcome now your getting over. Get the fuck out of my country. If your here illegally and stealing healthcare and shit get the fuck out.

[manchebu]

Go back to England then :)

[pedroz84]

man than u have a problem, u speak English u have a degree u have papers, i just don't seen how an illegal person can have all that and u dont. i have health insurance but i pay for every month i am not illegal i even have two jobs no illigal people has take over my jobs

[kschumannjr]

You don't have a college degree, you are not educated, and you are not a true American. If you were any of the things you said, you would already know that "illegal" aliens gravitate towards labor intensive, non-benefit, non-degree requiring jobs. You are a lying biased piece of shit and don't deserve to be an American. Why don't you just join welfare like the 7 million whites from '02 - '06.

[pedroz84]

u r a ignorant i love Americans and America but with people like u i have to think two times. i am 23 i am still on college C.O.D college of dupage i don't have degree yet but i know i am better than u, look at the way ur talking

[kschumannjr]

My comment was in response to websuspect's rhetoric, not your comment.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

ks, you don't have any idea about what you're talking about. Millions of Americans with jobs have no health insurance. An illegal can get free care at any emergency room and there is no way to go after payment from them unlike with a legal citizen. Hospitals are being bankrupted by the dozens. THAT is the reality.

[calmemaggie]

absolutely right......when they hire you...it is "part-time" no benefits....then we have to foot the bill for hospitals for aliens....school for aliens...then you go to church and there they are again asking for more and more...they feel "entitled"

[angelsoulnme]

I dont think that people HATE immigrants. To the contrary most Americans have a very recent immigrant in their background. My grandparents came here from Italy. But they came the RIGHT way, not illegally.

[websuspect]

Same my grandparents came through Elis Island. Illegals cant vote. Get the fuck out.

[manchebu]

If you don't illegal immigrants, bring back all US corporation from Mexico and stop intervening in Mexico's gvt. US corporations have devastated Mexico's economy. The US has imposed puppet presidents in Mexico that have let these corporations in. We Americans have to get out of Mexico before we can tell Mexicans to get out of the US.

[websuspect]

Thats fine go back to monroe doctrine. Get the fuck out.

[angelsoulnme]

They havent put up a border fence, and they havent enforced immigration because of the plans for the NAU - its as simple as that. I also dont like the fact that I get 18,000 a year taken out of my paycheck to pay for programs that illegals benefit from.

[angelsoulnme]

Why cant we just have a border fence? Why cant people come here the right way? Doesn't the US make agreements with other countries on how many immigrants allowed per year? My ex husband is from DR and the US let THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of Dominicans here LEGALLY.

[pedroz84]

finnaly good news i love american but since all this hate toe the immigrants start i felt like americans didnt want me here eather i a mexican america the media has change how the people thinks they have poison peoples mind

[nickprogresss]

it's good coverage!

[manchebu]

Immigrants are the scapegoat the gvt is using to explain the loss of millions of dollars in the war. Mexican immigrants have kept the US economy going. Thanks to them, we have food on our tables.

[kschumannjr]

I agree with this statement completely! Immigration has become the new "veil" issue to cover all others, on the Republican side. Unfortunately, they did not realize how bad this administration allowed the economy to get and now the Republicans on their heels trying to deal with the economy problem, thus forcing to back off of the anti-immigrant rhetoric.

[manchebu]

I want to congratulate the real news for posting such a great video. The real news is opening the minds of most Americans who have traditionally been kept ignorant and brainwashed by the mass media. It's time Americans wake up from their Napoleonic dreams and start thinking like civilized human beings.

[bobbertttttttte]

its the majority that is against illegals and amnesty! this video is bull

[manchebu]

It's the majority that is swimming in ignorance and hate. Let me remind you that America was founded on the principle of allowing immgration. Unless you're a native american, your ancestors were immigrants. By the way, most Mexicans in the US have more native american ancestry than you do. Let them in, it's their land!

[MasterMark123]

just come over legally ... They want to blur the words immigrant and illegal aliens . Hell we're all from some kind of immigrants in the US. Thats is NOT the issue here. The issue is sneaking over the borders then claiming rights that only citizens have. The US is NOT a freeforall

[manchebu]

The US is free for all immigrants. Most immigrants come here to work. Only the white immigrants from Europe came here to sit on their ass while their black slaves did the work. Mexicans, you're welcome to America!

[websuspect]

Get the fuck out of my country.

[manchebu]

go back to England or wherever your lazy war loving ancestor came from. You Germanic barbarians should stay in Europe. America is only for the immigrants and the real American patriots like me that defend our principles and constitution.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

manchebu, you are an ignorant racist. I assure you European immigrants did not sit around all day on their asses. How? Who was going to feed their families if they didn't? They went to work in feilds ans factories for shit money. Then the unions came and improved conditions.

NOW illegals are undoing all they did to improve the lot of working people.

[Rle8752]

Thats what we want! An Anarchy!

Vote Ron Paul!

[manchebu]

vote Kucinich!

[Adambiswanger1]

Great video, but it's sort of one-sided for an organization that strives for ultimate objectivity.

[manchebu]

it's on the side of truth and fairness. The real news is trying to open the most intolerant and closed minds in the world: American minds.

[dungal123]

This problem is the result of small, medium and large corporations hiring practices. All of them are breaking the law. One thing that would help is to arrest the owners of these companies. Send a strong message, hire an illegal, go to jail. Simply, huh?

[DonkeyofHeaven]

Gravel and Kucinich are only Democratic candidates opposing the Berlin style border wall. I urge Latinos to register with the Green Party to give a message to the Democrats. You can vote for Obama or Clinton who are both pro-wall out of fear for the rabid Republicans, but the Dems have to be sent some kind of message.

[DonkeyofHeaven]

Guliani and the Repubs want to create a "1984" USA. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both voted for the border wall. Dennis Kucinich opposes the wall but the Dems won't listen. In Nov. 2008 the Green Party will be the only nation-wide political party opposed to the fence.

[quigsthevicious]

{sigh} Agree with the majority here; this video was way below the standard I'm used to seeing from Real News. That reporter had an obvious axe to grind. Felt more like a Michael Moore production.

[MooseOfReason]

"The Republicans are against illegal immigration. They're evil!"

No Democratic footage? What is this? Are all the Democrats for open borders?

[abram730]

I'm a Democrat and I'm sure not for open borders. It's economic lunacy. Capitalism is eating its self. Without high paying jobs there are no people to buy durable goods.

Stone Mason that worked for $15/h now works for $6/hour.

[principles101]

The "REAL NEWS" should be renamed as the "DEMOCRAT'S NEWS" channel.

[mirandadesigners]

why?

[principles101]

And you call this REAL NEWS???  I don't think so. There is definitely a DEMOCRATIC agenda here.

[carmaphobe]

so this video tells you that "undocumented workers" (i call them criminals) pay $40-$60million in taxes in iowa???????

wow!?!?!?!?

BUT THEY USE UP $280-300million in gov programs...if you make a video make it truthful!

[mirandadesigners]

maybe this is the truth and not what the mass media is telling you...

[principles101]

You are 100% correct. The illegals are sucking our welfare programs dry.

[Tihbialdunav]

Clearly you know ZERO about welfare.

[newsungod]

USA is a country built by immigrants and a country of immigrants. Think of what that means, as your mind is being poisoned with the idea that immigrants can be "illegal" and a root of all evil.

[abram730]

Yes they can be illegal. They didn't ask to come here. They broke in.

Mexico is a rich country. Isn't the richest man in the world now a Mexican?

The rich in America want America to economically look like Mexico not Mexico economically look like America.

[kschumannjr]

"Mexico is a rich country. Isn't the richest man in the world now a Mexican?"

If this is the fact you used to come to your assumption, do us all a favor and never say anything again.

[abram730]

My point is why do they come here? Mexico has lots of money.

Clearly Mexicans don't care for Mexicans. If they did why would they not try to fix Mexico?

I think corporations are happy to have them here because they have a lack of self respect and respect for freedom.

A mass of cowards.

[akadabba]

WTF is wrong with you?

You make it sound like these people ask to live in close quarters with disease, dirty water, and minimal salaries.

Yes Mexico has money but it is CLEARLY not being distributed fairly. There's a big difference between Cancun and cities near Mexico City. Asshat.

[abram730]

Threw out history silence has been taken as consent.

The poor are many and the rich are few.

Does it not bother the poor of Mexico that the richest man in the world is one of them and cares not for their pain?

The answer, run away?

Me respect that? NEVER!!!

[akadabba]

ok, i wouldn't expect you to comprehend any type of factual information but here goes. The impoverished aren't stupid. Why would they revolt against "the rich" just for having money? And even if they wanted to, they don't have the resources. Anyways, these people aren't running away, they are looking for a better life. Most of those "hopping" the border are risking death and imprisonment just to be happy. Some Americans don't realize how good they have it.

[akadabba]

Besides the only reason so many people are "hopping" the border illegally is because it's almost impossible to even get a VISA to get into this country, let alone citizenship.

AND also, Mexicans make up only about half of the illegal immigrants in this country, so suck on that.

[calmemaggie]

If I go to the store and cannot "buy" 5 pounds of sugar......that does not mean that I can come to your home and "steal" yours!

[exnavy25]

we have laws. I broke the law and they put me in prison. How is it that because your mexican you can break the law and it's ok. Get real!

[Xenu]

Jim Crow was the law. I approve of people having been violated and/or ignored. No one worth their salt bases their morality on "legality."

[wayjay3342]

we have laws you should follow them.....

and thats coming from a hispanic

[Xenu]

Jim Crow was the law. I approve of people having been violated and/or ignored. No one worth their salt bases their morality on "legality."

And that's coming from a hispanic.

[utubehayter]

What a veiled threat? Anarchy? What do you think is going on now? If American businesses want you here get visas and then come in.

[weirdoveirdo]

Gravel is great, except for his tax plan, which I hate. I'm a Kucinich man.

ELECT DENNIS KUCINICH IN 2008!!!

[danielstwin]

pack ur shit and get out..... period i could care less you all are trespassing if an american wants you here just try moving in with them lolo see how that works

[kidwave1]

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[jsatt13]

thx

[Gilliatt83]

good report

[jmbrewr]

If the illegal immigrants dont get locked up the US citizens will have to lock themselves up THATS REALITY

[weirdoveirdo]

How do you figure that?

[jmbrewr]

Because a majority of illegal immigrants are not only here illegally but are also criminals from Mexico. What isn't reported in the MSM is all of the criminal activity that has increased since no one is stopping MS13 from infiltrating America. This is THE most ruthless gang in the world. Thats why!!!

[mirandadesigners]

I thought the most ruthless gang in the world was in Iraq fighting for "democracy"...I never heard about MS13.

[weirdoveirdo]

I hate to break this one to you, but the vast majority of serious crimes in america, despite the statistics of those actually jailed, are commited by white citizens. And the amjority of illegal immigrants who come to this country a)never commit a crime here and b)pay taxes despite being paid far below living wage by their employers. I have never heard of the MS13, but I can tell you right now that blaming America's crim problem on Mexico is beyond silly. It's stupid as hell.

[HollisQueens]

It's happening because our welfare system is being overtaxed by so many illegals coming and getting free education and hospital care, the statistics are not in Sam Carbajal's side. Why should we reward people who break the law. Also employers favor paying immigrants over American workers because they have to follow work codes. I just do not believe that Americans will not do these jobs.

[mirandadesigners]

immigrants are just scapegoats. The BIG money has been spent on the war. This is why the REAL NEWS was created. Ignorance prevails in the US.

[HollisQueens]

The war is the most expensive, but we haven't even started paying for the war, Regardless where is all this money going to come from, and you think it's ok to allow millions of illegal Mexicans into the country, who will displace American citizens in jobs and welfare and education

[HollisQueens]

The distinguishing feature of Mexican immigration is that they enter the US illegally. 56% of Mexicans lack permission to be in this country where as 17% of other immigrants are here illegally. Plus the number is overwhelming probably closer to 15 million. You give amnesty and there will be more, how do we afford assimilate this?

[HollisQueens]

Anyone who thinks that immigration is not affecting the US really need to watch this youtube video on youtube posted by BigFatTonyCal, the name of the video is Demand Ron Paul 2008 I don't care who you think you like. But note this is Dr. Madelein Coseman who gives the lecture says nothing about Dr. Paul, it's about immigration.

[crazycatfguy]

I am against amnesty but I think Guiliani should not force Mexicans to learn American civics because not even Americans learn American civics.

[calvinjones]

Its just like the irish. American wake up...virtually all of you are imigrants (you killed most of the natives)

[GordonWalton]

Rudy loves illegals. His stance on illegal immigration (like most of his platform) a total lie. He does love the national ID card, since that hits citizens, not just the illegals.

Most of the illegals seem to be nice, hardworking people. But they still are not here legally and that needs to stop. Otherwise we are not under the rule of law and our government is illegdimate.

[PersonalJesus348]

this is disgusting. Mike Gravel knows damn well punishing the people isn't the solution. Its opening Americas arms to anyone who wants to come. And punishing business, politicians, and corporations that took advantage of these men.

[crazycatfguy]

PersonalJesus, does your church know that because of the exchange rate they can feed a whole family of Mexicans for a week for what it cost to buy one person a McDonald's value meal once they are here? It makes more sense to help them before they get here or do you actually have to lay eyes on a person to have pity on them?

[PersonalJesus348]

what the hell are you talking about? My church? what church?

[crazycatfguy]

Between your screen name and the fifty or so comments I have read of yours I assumed you were Christian. Sorry if I got that wrong.

[PersonalJesus348]

apology accepted.

[crazycatfguy]

Allow me to make a quick case. In the 32 years I have been voting the people I voted for represented the people who paid to get them into office. I think amnesty is only in the news because corporations want it. Corporations do not have a history of caring for people. I think this is a scam to get slave labor and I do not support slave labor. I boycott Walmart because of this.

[PersonalJesus348]

alright but I still stand by my original statement. Its the companies that should be punished not the people.

[crazycatfguy]

That is how it should be but you can't count on politicians to do what they should.

[PersonalJesus348]

You can however count on Mike Gravel to give power where it should've been place long ago..with the people.

[crazycatfguy]

Please take the time (as I have) to read the entire text of the NI legislation. This will open up abuses to individual rights that would have the founding fathers rolling in their graves.

[PersonalJesus348]

your joking right? and the founding fathers have a reason to roll in their graves. The sold out the people to slavery.

[crazycatfguy]

No I am not. They may have not been perfect but they knew human nature which has not changed in recorded history and they were afraid of creating a government that could end up as either oligarchy or democracy. Google democracy quotes to see what they thought about it.

[PersonalJesus348]

I don't care what they thought about it. They're dead. They thought this current constition wouldn't last longer than the Federalists Papers.

But it didn't. So guess that means they were wrong. And they were wrong in not trusting the people.

Its not 1783 any more. We need a government for 2007.

And about your comment on the abuses to individual rights I don't see any. They covered their bases. No corproate lobbying alowed in this new branch.

[crazycatfguy]

If you read the NI legislation (as I have) constitutional amendments are not subject to judicial revue for constitutionality. Only after a law is passed will it be subject to revue by the courts and that could leave a bad law in effect for a very long time. I can't wait for people like you to figure out there are more than enough redneck pickup driving people in America to impose their laws on you than there are intellectuals to impose their laws on them.

[PersonalJesus348]

but then that'll be because that's the country we live in. I would much rather know where America stands rather than were Corporate America stands. The later's stance never changes.

and the idea of having a government of the people is so we can repeal and pass as we please. And it has to be voted on and voted against.

[crazycatfguy]

Please google quotes democracy. At least find out if centuries of this being tried turned out to be a fucking disaster. You would not advocate a government of the people if you KNEW the people. The founding father knew human nature and that is why they not only created a republic but warned us to be vigilant to keep it.

[PersonalJesus348]

but I am disatisfied by not being properly represened.

And it comes down to the fact the only person that could represent me is me. Not some corprate bought off monkey aka a politician.

[crazycatfguy]

America stands for a theocracy with no difference between church and state. Do you not pay attention to polls? Every poll that comes out represents a potential for 50.1 percent of the population to take away your rights.

[PersonalJesus348]

but it will be the will of the people. All I am saying.

[crazycatfguy]

The will of the people if you would bother to google quotes from great patriots of the past means and end to our experiment with believing individuals have rights and usher in a system where 50.1 percent of citizens can take the rights away from the rest of us.

[PersonalJesus348]

okay last comment on this matter.

Not everything passed is going to be an amendment.

Laws are going to be passed at the federal level by the people.

And they can't take the rights away if its unconstitutional.

[crazycatfguy]

I have read the entirety of the NI law and I don't think you are correct. Have you read the legislation?

[crazycatfguy]

I have had multiple people explain the checks and balances of this system but I keep going back and reading the legislation in case it has been amended and it is not there. Blogs are fine but really, really, take the time to read the legislation.

[airborne373]

undocumented? They are illegal. When the IRS comes for U.S. Citizens we go to jail. Wake up!

[DrCrYz]

the world is in a huge fucking mess

[newsgirlG]

Thanks Real News. This issue is too important to overlook and virtually not covered anywhere else.