There is no argument because there is absolutely no imperial evidence for either party. However, religion is the assertion, so it is the responsibility of religious folks to find evidence, not that of those against it. Based on the odds, there could be a god, but there probably isn't one. But this reverse baptizing thing is bullshit.
Another case of atheist ppl just being jerks. Making fun of, and mocking Christians. This is why everyone hates atheists b/c they go the extra mile to be assholes.
@1garrison1845 So let me guess, you've never made fun of Muslims, atheists, Jews or any other religion/belief? Suddenly, when it's yours, and it's not having some arab guy stereotype, a Hindu god with extra arms, ect. it becomes offensive? Of course you could be Mr. GoodyGood for all I know. Highly doubt it.
@C4P1T4L15M I don't see it as humor. These people literally take hours out of their time to leave the house, drive to the lake, get together and say "Look, the cameraman is there, now we we can jump up and down in the water like children and get his attention". I'm sure humor wasn't on their agenda.
99% of Christians I know aren't looking or begging for attention, they're too busy working or taking care of their families, while militant atheists are drug using, unemployed bums.
@C4P1T4L15M Not really, it's just shameful when these tools put on a show like this. I don't see this as them renouncing God, as much as it is "LOOK AT ME, IM LIBERAL AND HATE GOD, AREN'T I SPECIAL, I'M 40 AND STILL NEED ATTENTION".
that's sad!... water baptism is only a symbol of joining the elite of those that accepted Jesus Christ into their life and a sign that with it, they get a new body, without sin, a must for anybody that prepares for an eternal life in heaven. why would anybody volunteer to give back a gift like this?
@IsleFreeThinker1 "reading the Bible is the most sure-fire way to become an atheist." Not exactly. Reading the Bible shows you how religion has become 'consistently anti-Godliness'. If pointing that out makes the church 'label' you as an atheist, then it's very Christian of you to accept that 'label' (just like Jesus 'accepted the label' of "Son of God")
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
GOD, HEAVEN, AND SEX: Internet article examines the Biblical possibility of sex in heaven. Human sexuality isn't just for reproduction. There are reasons the Bible requires marriage for sex on earth, but those reasons won't exist in heaven. Scripture teaches, in heaven, we'll be like the angels only in one sense - no marriage, but we won't be like angels in every other way (i.e. Bible says we'll enjoy food and drink). Psalm 16:11 says there will be great spiritual joy and pleasures in heaven.
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of the law of entropy. Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living, reproducing if their reproductive system, vital structures, and organs hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from variations produced having survival value. It only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, then that species is going to survive (be "selected'). That's all that natural selection is! It's a passive process in nature. Read my popular Internet article WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS.
WHAT ABOUT THE STARS? Gravity explains how the order found in the precise courses of trillions of stars is maintained, but gravity can't explain the origin of that order! Did all the trillions stars agree to get out of each others way? C'mon! Disorder in the universe is because of chance, but the order is because of design. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
SCIENCE DOESN'T EXPLAIN AWAY GOD: Natural laws may explain how an airplane or living cell works, but mere undirected natural laws cannot explain the origin of either. Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site.
DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument for a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as flawed or useless.
BLIND WATCHMAKER NO ARGUMENT. Natural selection is no "blind watchmaker" because it can only "select," not produce. It only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it living! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
AMINO ACIDS CAN HAPPEN BY CHANCE BUT NOT PROTEINS: Read my popular Internet articles, "How Forensic Science Refutes Atheism," "Origin of Life Deception by Evolutionists," "Any Life On Mars Came From Earth."
INTELLIGENT DESIGN DEBATE: If you discovered a sand castle on a lonely beach, you can't prove it was made by either chance or design. No one observed its origins. Either it was designed or the random forces of wind and waves made the castle. You didn't find fingerprints. Did the wind wipe the fingerprints away? How do we know that there were fingerprints in the first place? By chance or by design? Both sides should present their case. Read the article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
GENETIC INFORMATION DOESN'T HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of transitional forms and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discusses mixed species in fossils (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum conveniently ignored by evolutionists).
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
NOT ALL EVOLUTIONISTS even agree on the fossils used to support and reconstruct human evolution. The bones are incomplete. There's no certainty of the bones belonging to the same creature. They can reconstruct whatever they want from these bones, and they have. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from an ape-like creature anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from a four-legged dog-like creature. Read my article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creature anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can become contorted by gravity. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator!
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Once you've been baptised, and you turn your back on the religion you were formerly married to, it's a lot to go through to get rid of the imprint its left on you. Also, it's nobody's business.
why is it the whole point of atheism not to practise ritual? You're making assumptions about atheists, I think there are lots of different kinds of atheists.
Really, what other rituals will atheism come up with. Beginning to sound rather like a religion. Sorry, you have to be de-baptized and say 10 deny mary's before you can join our group.
Alot of backflipping to go through to reject a deity you say doesn't exist in the 1st place. For a group that denies Gods existence they sure seem to be pissed at Him.
Hi Nilbud I thought it was ash, maybe it was chrism or myrrh (I don't know what chrism is). It was a long time ago and I was deliberately ignoring most of it - I didn't want to be christened (I'd already decided I was happy not being interested and had no actual belief and felt it was wrong) but my parents insisted and I didn't know enough, being so young, to state a good argument against it except for my lack of interest.
Many years later I found the christening document and immediately burned it - I suppose that's a sort of de-christening. Churches record marriages in ledgers and maybe funerals, but if they don't record christenings then there is now record, except in human memory, that it ever happened
@DirectPointingZak Ah it's just a bit of harmless fun really, like Santa and easter eggs. Did you go to a religious school, they usually require the paperwork to be in order, that might have been the reason for the late baptism?
The school was not particularly religious and ignored my lack of interest, or rather failed to notice. It was because I had been very ill and my mother was afraid I could die if it recurred - she was a Catholic and for some reason I had never been christened soon after birth as per tradition, probably because of my father's own lack of interest.
@nilbud Yes I suppose it was well motivated in that sense and I have to appreciate that. But still from a logical point of view, it is pointless, just as a blessing or consecration is pointless. If god created everything, everything is sacred anyway, you can't make it more sacred. This is a vestige from ancient days, as is worship, what's the point of that? There is a crucial verse missing from the Torah where Yahweh says "Ok, OK I'm wonderful, I'm perfect, you're grateful, enough already !!"
@GnosticReality Agreed. No one truly knows anything on the subject matter so a gnostic person of faith would be under the same scrutiny. Regardless it is imperative that we carry ourselves with dignity and respect for one another. Best wishes, we'll find out who's right eventually.
@GnosticReality Such a shame; well I am sorry you've experienced so much disrespect. I suppose I have just been surrounded by people of faith all my life where I live that I barely run into like-minded atheists let alone those as sharp tongued as you say. I still love my Muslim family for raising me and respect their points of views without seeing them like terrorist bigots. In light of this conversation, I hope we can do the same and not let generalizations cloud our judgments of others.
@GnosticReality But where have you seen otherwise? You say most atheists are extreme by obnoxiously stating what they are and trying to disprove others but where have you seen them come directly to you and try to do that? If not in an open forum, I have heard of no other instance. Please enlighten me as to where you experienced this.
@GnosticReality If anything, an atheist may desire to post a video or leave behind material that brings up a question they've never been allowed to discuss. If they come from a certain background of religion and want to ask questions about them, they're more the welcome to do so on a forum of free speech. When a claim is made about a deity that changes our perception on nature and science, someone may be compelled to correct them on the matter of their assumptions if it misconstrues reality.
@GnosticReality Ignorance of a subject often leads to misunderstanding so you'll hear people often try to ground their support in open forum discussions to get a voice they normally never had before. I don't go around like an evangelical door to door Christian but when there is a subject of discussion, I feel compelled to apply my suppressed two cents for a change. Most atheists are in the closet and are probably out of line at times for on the internet but I personally wouldn't attack you.
@GnosticReality Not claiming to be what you would call an "extreme atheist" but many might have good reason to behave in such a manner. A non stamp collector would indeed spend considerable amount of time and energy to convince other people to treat them fairly and reasonably if they aren't. When the people who raise you and the institutions that govern you make it damn near to impossible to live comfortably without collecting stamps then you should indeed do something about it!
Non-stamp collectors have a chance at one day being president. The way things are now, atheists don't. We HAVE things to fight for. And besides, what are you basing this on? 15% of the USA is non-religious, do you have a poll saying the majority of them are militant about their beliefs or are you just assuming based on youtube videos? I'm not saying the majority of atheists aren't outspoken about their beliefs, I'm just saying how can you say they are?
@EpicFailureFilms militant atheists are an annoying bunch. You are not denied any right or privilege than non-atheists enjoy, you are as respected in our society as anyone else, and your views are as tolerated as anyone else's. The few religious radicals that hate on atheists are ridiculed by everyone else, just as you militant atheists are. I have no problem whatsoever with atheists or their views, I will even admit that some of the Christian views are stupid (creationism), but respect others
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@Claybear17 some christians may take it to heart becuse it is their faith.... its like me jokin about raping ur mother but its a joke... alot of christians take their religi
@brentwhitehead "some christians may take it to heart becuse it is their faith.... its like me jokin about raping ur mother but its a joke... alot of christians take their religi"
It's beyond me why would you even make such a comparison when it comes to silly beliefs and an actual human being. Republicans take their political beliefs seriously, so what? The degree of passion one may have for a belief system doesn't change the ridiculousness of the status of the belief.
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wow, really? How could you call yourself Athiest if your believing in the superstition of a Baptism? Who cares if you are on records or not, if you do not believe, well then, you don't believe, as simple as that.. No need to make a mockery of yourself.
It is sad, yet not surprising to see the gentleman, who is speaking with the headset from the mixing room, misrepresenting the secular community's fun& warrantedly satirical & celebration of debaptising. I'm sure that most people do understand the difference between:
- people telling their children & all of humanity that all non-Christians will be going to an eternity of hell/torture and that of
- the secular community sharing that this Christian mindset is, as this announcer shared... "crazy".
But really, I'm an agnostic with some nihilistic leanings, and I am so tired of these same old "Atheists use logic and reasoning" jokes. It's so overdone by now, and they really aren't so much jokes as they are ways to stroke your own ego.
For those of you who are curious, yes, the debaptism is required to join the church of Atheism. If you are not baptised and then debaptised you will not be able to join the real atheists in ceasing to exist when you die. Instead you will just go to Heaven or Hell.
Atheist is a religion And they do worship a God and thats themselves and the devil they working for the devil and they dont even know it pshh their so lost i almost feel bad for them
I think the young Turks are anti American socialist and well hang them all within the next decade but can someone please move the microphone on the right?
costume party at a 2011 american athiest convention....what a fcking BORING PARTY..how did anyone survive the party being confined in a small space with everyone farting and smelling which fart that was indeed farted unless the fart is a lie and we must hold our farts to become better people...athiests are just like goths, boring sisters, teenagers who are into politics..they always try to do stupid shit likke de babpitsing and make it out how cool and bad they are when its lame and boring
atheism= the religion of 21th century which preaches that god doesnt exist , they have their own rituals now , dawkings is their pope while youngturks are the priest atheism you a cruel joke
Just an FYI. All people, including atheist ,do rituals. Ritual can be putting on your lucky socks a certain way before the golf game. Some are more formal and not all are religious, like my graduation ritual. Also, ritual is the last thing that most ex-religious atheist have a problem with. It is the beliefs and daily practice of those beliefs that is the problem. No one ever left the Catholic church and became an atheist because the candles and incense so offended them.
People like myself, and presumably you, never underwent extensive indoctrination or did not take to indoctrination. For many, this isn't the case. They had to undergo long periods of painful deconversion in which their entire worldview was dismantled and their social world was upended. Those people might not find this sort of thing a boring waste of time. Learn to be a bit more empathetic, bro.
How I am not being empathetic? Because I don't think this looks fun? I get that the process of leaving their faiths could've been painful. I understand that this easily could've been the case for many of them, and they have my sympathies. What they are doing right now is basically flipping a giant middle finger to the faiths that confined them, and I see that. I don't detest them for it. I'm not apathetic because I disagree with the rationality of this practice.
Having fun isn't about rationality. Your argument amounts to exactly the same thing as decrying the rationality of liking a food you don't like, or watching a television show you don't find entertaining. Seriously, just leave it alone.
I should add I wouldn't do this sort of thing either, because it seems pointless and silly to me. But thats simply a personal preference. Grow up, buddy.
And your calling me apathetic? Like I said, they can have fun, I just see don't see a point to it. You should read what I say and come up with a rational point. All you have done is post a message completely agreeing with my opinion and telling ME to grow up instead of admitting that you are wrong. I encourage you to reread our conversation and compare it to your last message, as I feel you could learn quite a bit. Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you leave me alone?
See, now that's responding. The thing I asked you not to do. You have also made it quite apparent that you are nothing but a troll. Good day to you sir.
"By calling it a debaptism you give the idea of a baptism power
I'm really hope this is just a bunch of athiest laughing over their ex faiths."
If this was a one time event and done only for publicity, then I would agree, but this happens to frequently and is done in private, or should I say non general public ceremonies. I dont mean to offend any belief or lack of it, but these people are serious weirdoes, atheist or not.
debaptising? is that when you stay in the water? i mean when people are baptised they get sunk in water for a little then put out but debaptizing means just drowning right?
The Mormon church sent me a letter telling me I was no longer a member and that all "rights, privileges, and promises tied to baptism have been removed." So, some churches do remove you from the family.
What these converted idiots ignore is that ANY ritual has in the end magical extensions.This is the fundamental underlying purpose of all rituals direct or disguised.To change in a way the participant and subjective/objective realities.Sometimes I think the new atheistic trend is more stupid than religious fundamentalists.
@asasasarap I wouldn't look at rituals like that - I would say they are magical extensions in disguise, with the underlying purpose of the ritual as a form of social persuasion. So it's just a social form of influence, in any case.
@lanceawatt I think the core of a ritual or even a simple wish is somekind of magical effect.Whether somebody believes in magical effects or not.The rest has to do with transforming the way someone feels for example someone willfully taking an oath(in a group,organisation or anything)is more likely to be loyal and feel a member.Still the core of rituals is something no other animal does. an attempt to invoke magical help.
@asasasarap although in many cases people may wish for a magical effect in ritual or gesture, (after all, we are superstitious by nature, in many aspects)... there are certain rituals where there really is no "magical relevance", for example saluting a general, or a crowed singing drunken chants. These are clearly rituals, but they distinctly don't wish for magic of sort - it is really just a social conformity thing. Even if apes may have rituals, they don't even understand concept of magic ;)
I did this kind of thing. But I was raised mormon so my de-baptism involved shots and a hookah pipe that night and coffee the next morning. Or was that just my 18th birthday...I can't seem to remember.
athiests fail to understand, religious or not we are born of the water. that is the point of a baptism is to cleanse yourself. Jesus was an amazing man, but when he did so did his people. the catholic church is the satanic church spokenof in the bible. i use to be an athiest until i actually picked up a bible. religion is a joke. but god is more real than anything. jesus was a hero, but when people talk about jesus, they only talk of his ruined image.religion is wrong, and so is athiesm.
@musicoutsidethebox "and so is athiesm" Atheism is a negation of theism, it's not a positive assertion, it can't be right or wrong in the sense that you're trying to use it.
@SDub817 no,athiesm is claimed to be a negation of theism, but that is only the theory. in practice athiesm is the blind faith in your chosen diety just like any religion. your mind is to limited to small definitions of irrelevant matters so you blind yourself to a larger reality
@musicoutsidethebox Words do have meaning, anyone who has blind faith in a deity is not an atheist by definition. It doesn't take blind faith to dismiss Thor, Zeus, Jesus, Amaterasu, Anubis or any other word association you bundle together to call god simply because you can't demonstrate that any of these characters ever existed.
@SDub817 ...can you demonstrate to me that you arent just a figment of my imagination? the burden of proof goes both ways so dont ask for proof of anything if you yourself cant even prove your own exitence to anyone but yourself. proof is in the eye of the beholder. you are only looking at images of gods and not thier teachings.
of course there is noman in the sky with thunder in his hands. but god is the thunder. god is nature, not a symbol.
@musicoutsidethebox "can you demonstrate to me that you arent just a figment of my imagination?" We're done here, what's worse than arguing with a religous person is arguing with a solipsist.
@SDub817 yup.you know exactly who i am and my opinion is worthless. good stop staying true to your religion man. your a true hero to all open minds everywhere. always remember to dismiss what you fail to understand as irrelevant. you have proven how similar your beliefs are to any religion.
@SDub817 and your wrong about me being a solipsist. again because i dont believe anything as nothing can be proved. but i wont call myself crazy and deny myself a thought just because it happens to be hard to undrstand. i was merely giving you an example of how a rediculous an idea proof is. by dismissing me as less than you your attempting to avoid my point. just like any religious person does when asked questions about science. again you follow the same standards as the religions you deny.
you ask for evidence of existance and then when asked THE EXACT SAME QUESTION you call me a name and avoid the point that was to be made. I dont want to oppose you. i want you to understand a broader idea of reality than just:god or no god.
your eagerness to dismiss any idea that is not your own shows your fear of what you dont understand.
you dont have to agree with me to make what i'm saying true though.
and in time you will find that out.you only hurt yourself by denying the creator.
@musicoutsidethebox " THE EXACT SAME QUESTION" You're falsely equivocatng. Asking for the proof of a god is not the same as asking the stupid question of whether or not I can prove that I'm more than a figment of your imagination; it's a red-herring and doesn't give you permission to bolster your god into the argument because I can't verify that I'm real to you and a very outdated philosphical idea tha is no longer taken seriously.
@SDub817 you have again proven your inability to understanfd concepts to hich to dont subscribe. you think i'm to open minded. well i think your to limited. i guess there nothing else to say. the burden of proof is yours to bear because i have seen god in action. but your mind isnt able to procces the idea of god when not used in religious context. i wish you the best in your struggles and i hop you can find something to be at peace with. its futile to try and change a rock into a flower.
@musicoutsidethebox " you think i'm to open minded. well i think your to limited." No, I think you're mentally masturbating.
"the burden of proof is yours to bear because i have seen god in action."
Theists, deists, pantheists, etc have been around for thousands of years and have never proven their assertions, so anyone born in the modern age that decides to adopt any of view of god(s) has the burden of proof by default, not the person who's examined them all and think they're false.
Jayar- His voice of reasonable analysis sometimes pops thru the coversation. And, thank God, (oops.....), for that.
bobbytiger 1 week ago
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naragala01 2 weeks ago
if you still care about religion, you seriously need something better to do with your time
IAmSuchANerdLol 2 weeks ago
There is no argument because there is absolutely no imperial evidence for either party. However, religion is the assertion, so it is the responsibility of religious folks to find evidence, not that of those against it. Based on the odds, there could be a god, but there probably isn't one. But this reverse baptizing thing is bullshit.
sporefreak105 4 weeks ago
hahaha the youtube captions are soo off
bigDnasty8796 1 month ago
Another case of atheist ppl just being jerks. Making fun of, and mocking Christians. This is why everyone hates atheists b/c they go the extra mile to be assholes.
1garrison1845 1 month ago
@1garrison1845 So let me guess, you've never made fun of Muslims, atheists, Jews or any other religion/belief? Suddenly, when it's yours, and it's not having some arab guy stereotype, a Hindu god with extra arms, ect. it becomes offensive? Of course you could be Mr. GoodyGood for all I know. Highly doubt it.
SorryStamin 1 month ago
@1garrison1845
Ted Haggerd. Rick Perry. The 700 Club. The Catholic church.
nooo sir ie, atheists can't even hold a candle to the hate these people inspire with their religiosity.
thinkppl 3 weeks ago
@1garrison1845 It's called closure jack. They are not advertising this.
TheAnubisDrake 3 weeks ago
@1garrison1845 Everyone hates Christians
DerrenBrown100 2 weeks ago
@C4P1T4L15M I don't see it as humor. These people literally take hours out of their time to leave the house, drive to the lake, get together and say "Look, the cameraman is there, now we we can jump up and down in the water like children and get his attention". I'm sure humor wasn't on their agenda.
99% of Christians I know aren't looking or begging for attention, they're too busy working or taking care of their families, while militant atheists are drug using, unemployed bums.
XmXFLUXmX2 1 month ago
@C4P1T4L15M Not really, it's just shameful when these tools put on a show like this. I don't see this as them renouncing God, as much as it is "LOOK AT ME, IM LIBERAL AND HATE GOD, AREN'T I SPECIAL, I'M 40 AND STILL NEED ATTENTION".
XmXFLUXmX2 1 month ago
4:34 Blow dry each other out? lol *thinks dirty*
edbleong 1 month ago
I would
MrLovejoy91 1 month ago
that's sad!... water baptism is only a symbol of joining the elite of those that accepted Jesus Christ into their life and a sign that with it, they get a new body, without sin, a must for anybody that prepares for an eternal life in heaven. why would anybody volunteer to give back a gift like this?
pgpeachess 2 months ago
@pgpeachess
Because at a few months old it wasn't my choice to get such a 'gift'.
Ima1Holden 1 month ago
@pgpeachess you are an idiot,go kill yourself
MaRaX93 1 month ago
Atheists can fuck right off.
XmXFLUXmX2 2 months ago
bless you.
NyxRedvines 2 months ago
i unbaptized myself with the precipitation of a juice carton
Clyde200k 3 months ago
Nice try.....but you can never wash away Baptism. And you can explain why you tried to at the Last Judgement. CATHOLIC STATE please!
amaqula 4 months ago
@amaqula Catholic state? Look at a history book and you will be against it
ThePeacefulAtheistt 3 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt
I look around me at your sorry excuse for a secular state.....and I want a CATHOLIC STATE!!
amaqula 3 months ago
@amaqula yeah cause it's gotten so bad because it isn't a catholic state no other possible reason
WhiVe87 3 months ago
The most sure-fire way to become an Atheist; is to read the Bible.
IsleFreeThinker1 4 months ago 41
@IsleFreeThinker1 Love it.
FunAssFunProductions 2 months ago
@IsleFreeThinker1 "reading the Bible is the most sure-fire way to become an atheist." Not exactly. Reading the Bible shows you how religion has become 'consistently anti-Godliness'. If pointing that out makes the church 'label' you as an atheist, then it's very Christian of you to accept that 'label' (just like Jesus 'accepted the label' of "Son of God")
mythmanjay 1 month ago
TYT you should repent and trust in Jesus! enough is enough
zaksam777 4 months ago
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03nicchacgz 4 months ago
wow ana. the twins are huge
mrutubeisms 4 months ago
@mrutubeisms
;-)
gunnerfan87 4 months ago
If you are still on the church records, you're being counted as a believer and a statistic in the number of a particular religion.
VireoIbis 4 months ago 16
@VireoIbis How do you get off of it? Do you have to call the Vatican or something?
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Mogley52 4 months ago
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t221000 5 months ago
Once you've been baptised, and you turn your back on the religion you were formerly married to, it's a lot to go through to get rid of the imprint its left on you. Also, it's nobody's business.
madamebovarycestmoi 5 months ago
why is it the whole point of atheism not to practise ritual? You're making assumptions about atheists, I think there are lots of different kinds of atheists.
Rosky12 5 months ago
Really, what other rituals will atheism come up with. Beginning to sound rather like a religion. Sorry, you have to be de-baptized and say 10 deny mary's before you can join our group.
MrItchyElbow 6 months ago
Where can i go to get de-baptized?
AmazinglyAgnostic 6 months ago
Alot of backflipping to go through to reject a deity you say doesn't exist in the 1st place. For a group that denies Gods existence they sure seem to be pissed at Him.
chickenwretch 6 months ago
if jesus only knew hed be responsible for this... blowdrying...
cycophile 6 months ago
Cleavage.
deanosumo 6 months ago
What they do to moslems and jews? Use duct tape to tape forskin back...
soopie1 6 months ago
OMG IM EATING CRACKERS AND PENUT BUTTER. NO WAY.
judikerr 6 months ago
I was never baptised how do I get de-christened (when they draw a cross in ash on your forehead) ?
DirectPointingZak 6 months ago
@DirectPointingZak That's not how it's done.
nilbud 6 months ago
@nilbud
That IS how I was Christened, maybe because I was older than usual - I was eight years old
DirectPointingZak 6 months ago
@DirectPointingZak Usually they use chrism or myrrh, ash I suppose is nice and solemn, not exactly party time though is it.
nilbud 6 months ago
@nilbud
Hi Nilbud I thought it was ash, maybe it was chrism or myrrh (I don't know what chrism is). It was a long time ago and I was deliberately ignoring most of it - I didn't want to be christened (I'd already decided I was happy not being interested and had no actual belief and felt it was wrong) but my parents insisted and I didn't know enough, being so young, to state a good argument against it except for my lack of interest.
DirectPointingZak 6 months ago
@nilbud
Many years later I found the christening document and immediately burned it - I suppose that's a sort of de-christening. Churches record marriages in ledgers and maybe funerals, but if they don't record christenings then there is now record, except in human memory, that it ever happened
DirectPointingZak 6 months ago
@DirectPointingZak Ah it's just a bit of harmless fun really, like Santa and easter eggs. Did you go to a religious school, they usually require the paperwork to be in order, that might have been the reason for the late baptism?
nilbud 6 months ago
@nilbud
The school was not particularly religious and ignored my lack of interest, or rather failed to notice. It was because I had been very ill and my mother was afraid I could die if it recurred - she was a Catholic and for some reason I had never been christened soon after birth as per tradition, probably because of my father's own lack of interest.
DirectPointingZak 6 months ago
@DirectPointingZak Well it's always nice to have someone looking out for your immortal soul even if it doesn't exist. Comforting really.
nilbud 6 months ago
@nilbud Yes I suppose it was well motivated in that sense and I have to appreciate that. But still from a logical point of view, it is pointless, just as a blessing or consecration is pointless. If god created everything, everything is sacred anyway, you can't make it more sacred. This is a vestige from ancient days, as is worship, what's the point of that? There is a crucial verse missing from the Torah where Yahweh says "Ok, OK I'm wonderful, I'm perfect, you're grateful, enough already !!"
DirectPointingZak 6 months ago
Watch this with closed captions turned ON..
The voice recognition software did a horrible job.
So, and as a result, the subtitles are really funny.
therealbreadfan 6 months ago
true atheistes dont care about this stuff, but its fun to do as a group, so f**k it i'm in
hamurkngnof 6 months ago
I think a "de-baptism" is a stupid, symbolic ritual to show religious people how their own "baptisms" are stupid, symbolic rituals.
It's like..."Here! Let me show you a mirror so you can see how ridiculous you look to us." Their ritual is a joke and they mean it as a joke.
Shimpainai 6 months ago
@GnosticReality Agreed. No one truly knows anything on the subject matter so a gnostic person of faith would be under the same scrutiny. Regardless it is imperative that we carry ourselves with dignity and respect for one another. Best wishes, we'll find out who's right eventually.
DamienZshadow 6 months ago
@GnosticReality Such a shame; well I am sorry you've experienced so much disrespect. I suppose I have just been surrounded by people of faith all my life where I live that I barely run into like-minded atheists let alone those as sharp tongued as you say. I still love my Muslim family for raising me and respect their points of views without seeing them like terrorist bigots. In light of this conversation, I hope we can do the same and not let generalizations cloud our judgments of others.
DamienZshadow 6 months ago
@GnosticReality But where have you seen otherwise? You say most atheists are extreme by obnoxiously stating what they are and trying to disprove others but where have you seen them come directly to you and try to do that? If not in an open forum, I have heard of no other instance. Please enlighten me as to where you experienced this.
DamienZshadow 6 months ago
@GnosticReality If anything, an atheist may desire to post a video or leave behind material that brings up a question they've never been allowed to discuss. If they come from a certain background of religion and want to ask questions about them, they're more the welcome to do so on a forum of free speech. When a claim is made about a deity that changes our perception on nature and science, someone may be compelled to correct them on the matter of their assumptions if it misconstrues reality.
DamienZshadow 6 months ago
@GnosticReality Ignorance of a subject often leads to misunderstanding so you'll hear people often try to ground their support in open forum discussions to get a voice they normally never had before. I don't go around like an evangelical door to door Christian but when there is a subject of discussion, I feel compelled to apply my suppressed two cents for a change. Most atheists are in the closet and are probably out of line at times for on the internet but I personally wouldn't attack you.
DamienZshadow 6 months ago
@GnosticReality Not claiming to be what you would call an "extreme atheist" but many might have good reason to behave in such a manner. A non stamp collector would indeed spend considerable amount of time and energy to convince other people to treat them fairly and reasonably if they aren't. When the people who raise you and the institutions that govern you make it damn near to impossible to live comfortably without collecting stamps then you should indeed do something about it!
DamienZshadow 6 months ago
@GnosticReality
Non-stamp collectors have a chance at one day being president. The way things are now, atheists don't. We HAVE things to fight for. And besides, what are you basing this on? 15% of the USA is non-religious, do you have a poll saying the majority of them are militant about their beliefs or are you just assuming based on youtube videos? I'm not saying the majority of atheists aren't outspoken about their beliefs, I'm just saying how can you say they are?
EpicFailureFilms 7 months ago 5
@EpicFailureFilms militant atheists are an annoying bunch. You are not denied any right or privilege than non-atheists enjoy, you are as respected in our society as anyone else, and your views are as tolerated as anyone else's. The few religious radicals that hate on atheists are ridiculed by everyone else, just as you militant atheists are. I have no problem whatsoever with atheists or their views, I will even admit that some of the Christian views are stupid (creationism), but respect others
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MagicTellaVision 7 months ago
@GnosticReality Yes, they are mocking their former silly beliefs.
LockardKevin 7 months ago
lol has Ana ever said what her beliefs are?
KingTekins 7 months ago
@KingTekins Kittens and fluffy shit.
nilbud 6 months ago
@gnosticreality - rubbish - are you a non stamp collector (like me)
Nobullporfavor 7 months ago
They are bathing in dirty water, they are finding out how it is to live in poverty, good for them! :D
xXarmisticeXx 7 months ago
Everyone needs to stop getting so butt-hurt about this. They do this as a joke.
Claybear17 7 months ago 16
@Claybear17 some christians may take it to heart becuse it is their faith.... its like me jokin about raping ur mother but its a joke... alot of christians take their religi
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@brentwhitehead "some christians may take it to heart becuse it is their faith.... its like me jokin about raping ur mother but its a joke... alot of christians take their religi"
It's beyond me why would you even make such a comparison when it comes to silly beliefs and an actual human being. Republicans take their political beliefs seriously, so what? The degree of passion one may have for a belief system doesn't change the ridiculousness of the status of the belief.
EmperorLibertarian 5 months ago
As a Atiest i find this so stupid....Debaptize your mind.
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SeventhDayRemnant 7 months ago
Yes, its a bunch of atheist laughing over their ex faiths Thumbs this up
iliveon 7 months ago
wow, really? How could you call yourself Athiest if your believing in the superstition of a Baptism? Who cares if you are on records or not, if you do not believe, well then, you don't believe, as simple as that.. No need to make a mockery of yourself.
Zanzikhan 7 months ago
how are these people any less stupid than christians?
Thraxxacor 7 months ago
im an atheist and i find this pretty funny
NOVAGIRL666 8 months ago
Pretty funny I suppose....Anna nice body you are sexy
romperstompist 8 months ago
FOR THE LULZ!
Serostern 8 months ago
It is sad, yet not surprising to see the gentleman, who is speaking with the headset from the mixing room, misrepresenting the secular community's fun& warrantedly satirical & celebration of debaptising. I'm sure that most people do understand the difference between:
- people telling their children & all of humanity that all non-Christians will be going to an eternity of hell/torture and that of
- the secular community sharing that this Christian mindset is, as this announcer shared... "crazy".
thedeeliciousplum 8 months ago
Atheist don't believe in god. That doesn't mean they hate rituals etc.
It was just for fun...
razhorblahd 8 months ago 10
But really, I'm an agnostic with some nihilistic leanings, and I am so tired of these same old "Atheists use logic and reasoning" jokes. It's so overdone by now, and they really aren't so much jokes as they are ways to stroke your own ego.
meric2 8 months ago
For those of you who are curious, yes, the debaptism is required to join the church of Atheism. If you are not baptised and then debaptised you will not be able to join the real atheists in ceasing to exist when you die. Instead you will just go to Heaven or Hell.
meric2 8 months ago
All hail Athe!
Jimmy81691 8 months ago
Hm. Kinda pointless. But it seems more like a good laugh to cool off in hot weather or something. XD
FoolAlym 8 months ago
Atheist is a religion And they do worship a God and thats themselves and the devil they working for the devil and they dont even know it pshh their so lost i almost feel bad for them
chuyfromsalas 8 months ago
Atheist are just having fun because we're cool like that. It really isn't that serious.
MsGreenAtheist 8 months ago
im an aithist, and i dont belive in a religion AND I F AROUND WITH THIER BELIFES :D XDD
borednesskil 8 months ago
I think the young Turks are anti American socialist and well hang them all within the next decade but can someone please move the microphone on the right?
cchanderson 8 months ago
costume party at a 2011 american athiest convention....what a fcking BORING PARTY..how did anyone survive the party being confined in a small space with everyone farting and smelling which fart that was indeed farted unless the fart is a lie and we must hold our farts to become better people...athiests are just like goths, boring sisters, teenagers who are into politics..they always try to do stupid shit likke de babpitsing and make it out how cool and bad they are when its lame and boring
ben00au 8 months ago
atheism= the religion of 21th century which preaches that god doesnt exist , they have their own rituals now , dawkings is their pope while youngturks are the priest atheism you a cruel joke
albokk 8 months ago
So.. Atheists are just as crazy as religious people. Just goes to show that religion isn't the main reason people turn crazy.. They were already.
echosixnoble 8 months ago
Yeah, I had my debaptism at a costume party at the 2011 American Atheist convention. It was quite silly to say the least.
Legit73Resurected 8 months ago
To neutralize unwanted baptisms, wear little packets of chemical dessicants (drying agents), resembling Tea Party people wearing tea bags.
clarepawling 8 months ago
so baptism pulls the sins off of you but de-baptism is drying sins on to you
jmass67 8 months ago
In Spain you can "leave the family" by filling up an official letter to the Curch
reneluna1 8 months ago
its kinda like what the young turks do with Christianity it looks like there making some sort of sense but in reality just showing there ignorance ;
turner593 9 months ago
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
koyebahtdoelay 9 months ago
@koyebahtdoelay Which god said that?
wowamonn 8 months ago
Of coarse they were doing it for fun, but they were also making a statement.
And also... damn, Ana! ;)
urantivirus 9 months ago 41
So he dries them off to de-baptize them? That is hilarious.
TheDestinyDragoon 9 months ago
If anything atheists shouldn't have a saying about the practices of other atheists, that is the real silliness.
orcodrilo 9 months ago
this is the dumbest shit I have ever heard, and I'm Agnostic
J44x 9 months ago
Just an FYI. All people, including atheist ,do rituals. Ritual can be putting on your lucky socks a certain way before the golf game. Some are more formal and not all are religious, like my graduation ritual. Also, ritual is the last thing that most ex-religious atheist have a problem with. It is the beliefs and daily practice of those beliefs that is the problem. No one ever left the Catholic church and became an atheist because the candles and incense so offended them.
ruralpotter 9 months ago
By calling it a debaptism you give the idea of a baptism power.
I'm really hope this is just a bunch of athiest laughing over their ex faiths.
ElectricSeals 9 months ago 57
@ElectricSeals Raptor Jesus supports this statement.
torm0 9 months ago
@torm0
Sweet! I'm honored!
ElectricSeals 9 months ago
@ElectricSeals I think it is.
BrettSchall 8 months ago
@BrettSchall
Same here
ElectricSeals 8 months ago
@ElectricSeals It probably is :) Thank goodness I was never baptized lmao I don't have to get wet.
MsGreenAtheist 8 months ago
@ElectricSeals
It is, obviously.
AdNeeb 8 months ago
@AdNeeb
Well, why waste the time?
ElectricSeals 8 months ago
@ElectricSeals
Why waste time having fun? Is that a serious question?
AdNeeb 8 months ago
@AdNeeb
I don't see it as fun. I get that it's mocking of their previous faiths but it just seems boring to me.
ElectricSeals 8 months ago
@ElectricSeals
People like myself, and presumably you, never underwent extensive indoctrination or did not take to indoctrination. For many, this isn't the case. They had to undergo long periods of painful deconversion in which their entire worldview was dismantled and their social world was upended. Those people might not find this sort of thing a boring waste of time. Learn to be a bit more empathetic, bro.
AdNeeb 8 months ago
@AdNeeb
How I am not being empathetic? Because I don't think this looks fun? I get that the process of leaving their faiths could've been painful. I understand that this easily could've been the case for many of them, and they have my sympathies. What they are doing right now is basically flipping a giant middle finger to the faiths that confined them, and I see that. I don't detest them for it. I'm not apathetic because I disagree with the rationality of this practice.
ElectricSeals 8 months ago
@ElectricSeals
Having fun isn't about rationality. Your argument amounts to exactly the same thing as decrying the rationality of liking a food you don't like, or watching a television show you don't find entertaining. Seriously, just leave it alone.
AdNeeb 8 months ago
@ElectricSeals
I should add I wouldn't do this sort of thing either, because it seems pointless and silly to me. But thats simply a personal preference. Grow up, buddy.
AdNeeb 8 months ago
@AdNeeb
And your calling me apathetic? Like I said, they can have fun, I just see don't see a point to it. You should read what I say and come up with a rational point. All you have done is post a message completely agreeing with my opinion and telling ME to grow up instead of admitting that you are wrong. I encourage you to reread our conversation and compare it to your last message, as I feel you could learn quite a bit. Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you leave me alone?
ElectricSeals 8 months ago
@ElectricSeals
You are a lol-cow.
AdNeeb 8 months ago
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@AdNeeb
See, now that's responding. The thing I asked you not to do. You have also made it quite apparent that you are nothing but a troll. Good day to you sir.
ElectricSeals 8 months ago
@AdNeeb douche bag
ben00au 8 months ago
@ben00au
Cool story.
AdNeeb 8 months ago
@ElectricSeals Isnt it obvious?
Mailrobot 7 months ago
@Mailrobot
In some cases, it may not be. Clearly it is for this instance but I'm just making a point.
ElectricSeals 7 months ago
@ElectricSeals
"By calling it a debaptism you give the idea of a baptism power
I'm really hope this is just a bunch of athiest laughing over their ex faiths."
If this was a one time event and done only for publicity, then I would agree, but this happens to frequently and is done in private, or should I say non general public ceremonies. I dont mean to offend any belief or lack of it, but these people are serious weirdoes, atheist or not.
benthemiester 6 months ago
O.o I guess they are just bored, but whatever tickles their fancy.
Neosaigo 9 months ago
debaptising? is that when you stay in the water? i mean when people are baptised they get sunk in water for a little then put out but debaptizing means just drowning right?
eatmeimsteak 9 months ago
The Mormon church sent me a letter telling me I was no longer a member and that all "rights, privileges, and promises tied to baptism have been removed." So, some churches do remove you from the family.
bingoe4 9 months ago
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bbphnix 9 months ago
What these converted idiots ignore is that ANY ritual has in the end magical extensions.This is the fundamental underlying purpose of all rituals direct or disguised.To change in a way the participant and subjective/objective realities.Sometimes I think the new atheistic trend is more stupid than religious fundamentalists.
asasasarap 9 months ago
@asasasarap I wouldn't look at rituals like that - I would say they are magical extensions in disguise, with the underlying purpose of the ritual as a form of social persuasion. So it's just a social form of influence, in any case.
lanceawatt 9 months ago
@lanceawatt I think the core of a ritual or even a simple wish is somekind of magical effect.Whether somebody believes in magical effects or not.The rest has to do with transforming the way someone feels for example someone willfully taking an oath(in a group,organisation or anything)is more likely to be loyal and feel a member.Still the core of rituals is something no other animal does. an attempt to invoke magical help.
asasasarap 9 months ago
@asasasarap although in many cases people may wish for a magical effect in ritual or gesture, (after all, we are superstitious by nature, in many aspects)... there are certain rituals where there really is no "magical relevance", for example saluting a general, or a crowed singing drunken chants. These are clearly rituals, but they distinctly don't wish for magic of sort - it is really just a social conformity thing. Even if apes may have rituals, they don't even understand concept of magic ;)
lanceawatt 9 months ago
I did this kind of thing. But I was raised mormon so my de-baptism involved shots and a hookah pipe that night and coffee the next morning. Or was that just my 18th birthday...I can't seem to remember.
YourFavoriteKilljoy 9 months ago
What a crock of bull, de-baptism?????? I will pray for all who deny Christ.
smurfboywv 9 months ago
@AnointedShield or is it a creative way of understanding a complex idea in simple terms. that has become corrupt by greedy men?
musicoutsidethebox 9 months ago
athiests fail to understand, religious or not we are born of the water. that is the point of a baptism is to cleanse yourself. Jesus was an amazing man, but when he did so did his people. the catholic church is the satanic church spokenof in the bible. i use to be an athiest until i actually picked up a bible. religion is a joke. but god is more real than anything. jesus was a hero, but when people talk about jesus, they only talk of his ruined image.religion is wrong, and so is athiesm.
musicoutsidethebox 9 months ago
@musicoutsidethebox "and so is athiesm" Atheism is a negation of theism, it's not a positive assertion, it can't be right or wrong in the sense that you're trying to use it.
"but god is more real than anything"
Evidence?
SDub817 9 months ago
@SDub817 no,athiesm is claimed to be a negation of theism, but that is only the theory. in practice athiesm is the blind faith in your chosen diety just like any religion. your mind is to limited to small definitions of irrelevant matters so you blind yourself to a larger reality
musicoutsidethebox 9 months ago
@musicoutsidethebox Words do have meaning, anyone who has blind faith in a deity is not an atheist by definition. It doesn't take blind faith to dismiss Thor, Zeus, Jesus, Amaterasu, Anubis or any other word association you bundle together to call god simply because you can't demonstrate that any of these characters ever existed.
SDub817 9 months ago
@SDub817 ...can you demonstrate to me that you arent just a figment of my imagination? the burden of proof goes both ways so dont ask for proof of anything if you yourself cant even prove your own exitence to anyone but yourself. proof is in the eye of the beholder. you are only looking at images of gods and not thier teachings.
of course there is noman in the sky with thunder in his hands. but god is the thunder. god is nature, not a symbol.
musicoutsidethebox 9 months ago
@musicoutsidethebox "can you demonstrate to me that you arent just a figment of my imagination?" We're done here, what's worse than arguing with a religous person is arguing with a solipsist.
SDub817 9 months ago
@SDub817 yup.you know exactly who i am and my opinion is worthless. good stop staying true to your religion man. your a true hero to all open minds everywhere. always remember to dismiss what you fail to understand as irrelevant. you have proven how similar your beliefs are to any religion.
musicoutsidethebox 9 months ago
@SDub817 and your wrong about me being a solipsist. again because i dont believe anything as nothing can be proved. but i wont call myself crazy and deny myself a thought just because it happens to be hard to undrstand. i was merely giving you an example of how a rediculous an idea proof is. by dismissing me as less than you your attempting to avoid my point. just like any religious person does when asked questions about science. again you follow the same standards as the religions you deny.
musicoutsidethebox 9 months ago
you ask for evidence of existance and then when asked THE EXACT SAME QUESTION you call me a name and avoid the point that was to be made. I dont want to oppose you. i want you to understand a broader idea of reality than just:god or no god.
your eagerness to dismiss any idea that is not your own shows your fear of what you dont understand.
you dont have to agree with me to make what i'm saying true though.
and in time you will find that out.you only hurt yourself by denying the creator.
musicoutsidethebox 9 months ago
@musicoutsidethebox " THE EXACT SAME QUESTION" You're falsely equivocatng. Asking for the proof of a god is not the same as asking the stupid question of whether or not I can prove that I'm more than a figment of your imagination; it's a red-herring and doesn't give you permission to bolster your god into the argument because I can't verify that I'm real to you and a very outdated philosphical idea tha is no longer taken seriously.
SDub817 9 months ago
@SDub817 you have again proven your inability to understanfd concepts to hich to dont subscribe. you think i'm to open minded. well i think your to limited. i guess there nothing else to say. the burden of proof is yours to bear because i have seen god in action. but your mind isnt able to procces the idea of god when not used in religious context. i wish you the best in your struggles and i hop you can find something to be at peace with. its futile to try and change a rock into a flower.
musicoutsidethebox 9 months ago
@musicoutsidethebox " you think i'm to open minded. well i think your to limited." No, I think you're mentally masturbating.
"the burden of proof is yours to bear because i have seen god in action."
Theists, deists, pantheists, etc have been around for thousands of years and have never proven their assertions, so anyone born in the modern age that decides to adopt any of view of god(s) has the burden of proof by default, not the person who's examined them all and think they're false.
SDub817 9 months ago