Leviticus 11:1-30 “These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat..."
The solution to factory farming is to eat only grass fed and free range meats.
@TheHRchannel I respect your feelings on the subject. However, you titled your video 'God Loves Vegetarians', but according to scripture, he doesn't love vegetarians anymore than those who eat meat.
@TheHRchannel This verse is actually referencing offerings made to false idols, saying that partaking in these offerings is as sinful as worshiping the idol.
Leviticus 11:1-30 And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. 3 Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat.
why choose to be a vegitarian is it for health reasons
true bad things have been done to animals before they are eaten but different methods have been developed to lessen pain and factories that mistret the animals have been punishes
i have heard of some vegitarians eating fish is there a moral difference between a cow and another food animal i am a omnivore
@residentmagnum - I'm a vegetarian because I don't agree with eating animals. So, moral reasons. Over 95% of animals killed come from factory farms, where they are routinely beaten, scalded alive, have their throats slit so they slowly bleed to death. Even those raised on "free range farms" may enjoy a happy (short) life, that doesn't guarantee a humane death.
Fish is meat. Therefore, anyone who eats fish cannot be a vegetarian. No exceptions.
Look up Meat Video on YouTube to see what you are really eating as an "omnivore". God never wanted animals to be treated like they are in these slaughterhouses.
If I even go to god=true,I will not call that being good or even worthy of following-for it made a nasty job of creating the world,and if "man is to blame",then it's easy to see god created the option for this existence to look the way it is.
Overall,People use the bible in a way to fit their benefit,The bible also says to stone to death a person who works on sabbath...People choose not to do that,therefor they are hypocrites.
Anyway,I'm a Vegan,and the bible holds endless conflicted messages.
Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything."
Romans 14:2-3, "One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The mans who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him."
I think you misunderstood the Genesis 9:9-11 quote. He is basically saying that the flood is over that neither man nor beast will be harmed by anymore flooding.
Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Luke 24:42-43, "And they gave him (Jesus) a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Oh and majority of Christians I met that say God brought animals for us to eat haven't even cracked open the bible otherwise they'd be able to point out some verse as to where they got it from.
I say that if one believes in factory farm then they should just stop eating meat. Eating meat basically means that the person think it's okay to use painful methods to produce meat. I do not see how any Christian could eat animals knowing what happens in factory farm. Oh and I just thought I add Roman 14:21 and it says something like "It is better to not eat meat or drink wine or do anything to harm your brother or is made weak."
The comments you repsonded to just show that people jump to conclusions, but the points made here are very good, I'm an atheist but if god really did exist and he really did put animals here on the earth for us to eat why would he give them a nervous system thus allowing them to feel pain? if they are mere products that can he believes can be exploited by humans freely, why let them suffer? either he's not smart or he is immoral and wants these animals to suffer.
Jesus grew up poor and ate whatever he could to survive.If he had been a vegetarians,he would have died a long time before he did.Plus,God told people to smear their doors with sheep blood in Egypt.BURNED!!!
the part where it says all moving things shall be meat for you, to me is a prophecy and not an allowance, yep and the quail thing, boom (laeled as lusters and given a plague, youre welcome)
Also, "Thou shalt not kill" is in regards to humans in normal situations. War would be an exception.
So I think that you didn't do too much research into this before starting. The quotes you give are either taken out of context or don't say anything about not eating animals.
Now that that is done, factory farming is wrong, however that doesn't mean we shouldn't eat any meat.
Issah 11 is mostly talking about Jesus I believe, not about not eating animals, mostly that there will be world peace.
So with all of those bible verses, you can see that, if you wish to believe in the bible and use it as a moral guide, eating meat is fine.
If God didn't want humans to eat meat, then he would have told humans not to do so and I'm fairly certain that not even early translations of the bible instruct against eating meat.
@DrKyure But what makes you believe the bible is true? I respect religious views and generally don't question them but if it its used to justify eating meat I have to ask is it necessary to kill billions of animals to have a tastier dinner? it would be a lot more ethical of humans if we didn't eat meat and left things be, nature is harsh but the meat industry is harsher.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: What makes you think that I think the bible is true? I was simply refuting what she said based on the same evidence. The bible, to me, is at best a moral guide. I don't put much importance on the bible, but to say that the bible says you shouldn't eat meat is dumb, of course it's been translated more that a McDonald's menu, so there's that.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: I don't use it to justify eating animals, though that is mostly because I don't think it needs justification. I do not consider eating meat to be immoral. Because I don't think it's immoral and because I know that it isn't that bad for you, if eaten in moderation, I eat it.
Dealing with justification and necessity is a slippery slope. I ask you, why should you stop once you start? If the number one cause are hardship is humans, do you feel we should continue breeding?
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: And there is always that the problem the cruelty in the meat industry is because of the industry part. You can raise and kill animals humanely.
@DrKyure yes bt the meat industry wont treat animal humanely unless people say something about it. if u & most of society continue to financially contribute to the meat industry yet still disagree with the treatment of animals, then I can't see how it will stop, I agree its not immoral to simply eat meat bt it is immoral to put animals through the factory farm process & kill them in their billions in a world were its not necessary to consume meat, things wont change unless people do something
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Which is something good that PETA actually does, now if they could only stop being attention whores and allow themselves to be taken seriously more might happen.
Of course, you could always try to get people who eat meat to support you by not have the idea that you have to not eat meat to be a good person, the more selective you make your group, the weaker it is.
I don't see how someone who doesn't eat meat is going to get the industry to change for them.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: BTW, I assume you are not a vegan, you do realize that some products marked as free range and organic are pretty much what the industry says it is? It doesn't mean much. SO many vegs fool themselves into believing the same types of lies from the same industry.
It might not be necessary, but the more plausible reasoning is that people are different and we don't need the amount that we eat. Some can be vegs, some can't.
@DrKyure I am a vegan, I've only gone quite recently but I wasn't aware of the damage in consuming milk, cheese, exc. until relatively recently. But you didn't get my point, to say a few people wont make a difference doesn't make it any more right and if you buy meat your money's going to the meat industry either way, also considering the environmental issues.
A 2006 UN report concluded that 18% of all greenhouse gases come about through the meat industry, that's more than global transport.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Do you mean damage to animals or damage to people? The thing about eggs and dairy is that you can raise the animals yourself, especially chickens, or get them humanely. That isn't all that difficult, but the products are typically marked as free range with a higher price when free range is dictated by the company you buy from.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: No, being a veg won't save animals from dying. If saving animals from dying is your goal, then veg*anism falls short. If you just want to not increase the demand for meat, then veg*anism is perfect for you, though so is freeganism.
Most of the problems involved in eating meat is not from raising and killing animals, it's from the INDUSTRY in meat industry. The same meat industry that has stock in many of the veg food companies. Corners are cut to save money...
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: ...for instance, it is cheaper to cause local environmental disaster than it is to actually be environmental in the first place. Of course, we could always reduce the amount of meat we eat and eat humanely raised meat, which to me would be better than not eating meat since it harms the bad guys but not the good guys.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: The UN has also voted to keep anti-homosexual laws legal, see, it's a political body. 18% isn't bad when 4-5 billion people are doing the same thing. The greenhouse gas is mostly methane from cattle.
Lets assume we all stop eating meat; next cause would be cars. I ask you, if cars were the #1 cause, would you not drive a car or any other vehicle, including public transportation, or would you opt for the more environmental vehicles and continue to improve cars?
@DrKyure How is it not bad? I don't understand what you mean by that? climate change is climate change whether people are okay with it or not, also the answer is simple, electric cars.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: I was talking about if you are saying consuming dairy is bad for humans, as in the dairy harms humans, because it doesn't or if you you are saying using animals to get this is bad.
OK. so you would prefer a MORE ENVIRONMENTAL answer instead of simply not using any cars. Me too. So, why can't we do that with animals? Because collectively, we still get about a 1.4:1 ration of all the food we feed animals to the food we get out of it.
@DrKyure But I don't understand, how is an electric car dangerous for the environment at all? and about the 1:4:1 ratio, that seems inconsistent with any figures I've come across, most sources say that the amount of grain fed to an animal in its life on a factory farm is many more pounds than will be used to produce one pound of meat, and if you factorize in water, there is 1000s of gallons of water for merely one piece of meat.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Well, you would still have to account for mining, construction, transportation, the battery, and other various parts that could be poisonous, but that wasn't really my point. My point was that you went with an option that is more environmental instead of giving up meat. We can do the same with eating meat.
That is because that is the total conversion, what you are looking at is just western society. See, many times animals are fed we cannot eat...
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: ...as you said, GRAIN fed to animals in a FACTORY FARM. This accounts for only a percentage of the animals raise for food. If you stopped feeding the animals grain, you turn grass, insects, and left overs, into cows, chickens, and pigs. From food we can't eat, you get food we can, which gives you the overall 1.4:1 ration.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: When you account for everything that goes into meat, you might be slightly below what goes into plants if you are being sustainable. The amount of water if you raise animals normally with grass, that doesn't need as much water, or even other native plants, you don't need as much waters and about 50 gallons a day might be needed. Even better if you raise and eat native animals to the part of the world and continent you are in.
@DrKyure well I haven't read that anywhere but it is debatable, but do you at least agree that certain treatments to animals such as castration shouldn't be allowed and that certain ways animals are treated by humans (which is legal) is unethical.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: I believe that factory farming is wrong and we shouldn't raise animals that way. Castration is more of a grey area. You can do it quickly where the animal is up and walking around (using a wire is painful), but it is used for a reason. Male animals are more aggressive naturally and typically are not wanted as much as females. So castration would be a better alternative than becoming veal (which I don't eat).
@DrKyure I don't understand though what difference does castration make? been castrated doesn't make you a female, it just means a male who is castrated, surly it wont change there whole mindset?
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Castration is one of the things that AR activists tend to say is immoral (although they also tend to support spay and neutering).
@DrKyure Well I don't support those things in anyways, I'm not tryna represent animal rights activists, I'm taking more of an approach in support of what I honestly think is right, so I guess you could say I'm an unconformed animal rights supporter cause I don't support neutering. Also I don't think its moral to deny a dogs right to have sex and find a partner. It should be considered part of the deal in having a dog as a pet that they have the right to sex, partners and puppies.
@DrKyure oh okay and well maybe they'll want to, its hard to figure out if its okay or not but if they clearly want offspring (I don't know how you could tell, but if you could) I think they certainly deserve the right to have offspring but other than that, I'm not sure.
So if I want to eat animals because I do not think it is wrong and we both clearly do not know factually if it is moral or not, why shouldn't people be allowed to eat humanely raised and killed meat?
@DrKyure well, just cause you want something doesn't make it okay, yet if its very important and the consequences for you and others is low then its concievable and I guess if its humane its justifiable but by humane that would be very strict. An animal would have to be allowed live a full life, have freedom, live in the wild or a simulation of the wild, exc.
But someday it may be possible to grow meat using stem cell technology which would be 100% humane cause no animals wud suffer.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Then you should apply that to animals too Just because they want to have offspring doesn't mean they should. Actually this applies to humans too, if not more so.
So, should we advocate voluntary extinction?
Humane tends to be a degree that a person arrived to on their own. What is humane for me, likely isn't for you and vise versa.
Or, you could eat non sentient animals. I mean, you already eat insects in your "veg" food without knowing it.
@DrKyure You misunderstood what I said, I do agree it should apply to other animals too but it depends on the circumstances, the fact they are animals should not make their right to have offspring less important if they really want to and there's no good reason to stop them, it depends on the situation and what do you mean I eat insects without knowing it?
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Insect eggs are in pasta and bits of insects are in peanut butter, not to mention other things like rat hairs.
The point is that it is impossible to not eat animals. But if you care about sentience, then there are animals that are not sentient. Lucklly, insects fall into this category. The only reason why vegs don't eat not sentient animals is tradition, ease, and taste. The same arguments they say omnivores continue to eat meat.
@DrKyure well I guess I'll have to do my best to avoid eating insects too then, and of course I'm not perfect, its impossible but its better to try your hardest to avoid bringing pain to other animals than to not try at all and there's nothing wrong with a baby consuming a mothers milk if the mother is okay with it, in fact its generally the mother who decides to do it, the baby doesn't turn around and say "milk me now, you have no choice!" but its a different story with getting cows milk.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Not possible really. They are everywhere and can be really small, especially the eggs.
I'm not asking you to be perfect, I'm saying that sentience tends to be the reason to not eat animals, but some animals are not sentient, and cannot feel pain.
So I could consume human milk then right? Ever hear of Baby GaGa?
@DrKyure well yes I know some animals are not sentient but cows & pigs for e.g. almost certainly are. All I'm hoping for is a more ethical way of humans treating animals and I'm sure you want that too, so hopefully someday things will change.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: I personally do not think that sentience mean we can't eat animals, but this is about you.
So if you can eat animals that don't feel pain, and the reasoning most vegs say it is OK to eat plants when asked is that they don't feel pain, you thus can ethically eat animals.
I also think that eating humanly raised meat will help better than being a veg.
@DrKyure Well yes if the animal lived a life which was emotionally parallel to the life an animal would have in the wild and there wasn't necessaries suffering brought onto the animal then I guess it would be ethical but that wont happen unless people say something about it, I mean you agree you want factory farming to become more ethical but you just saying it wont change anything, I'd like that everyone went at least vegetation until things change and about your last point, better for what?
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Think about this though. If you were a big corporation, why would you listen to a group of people who would never buy your product? The times when PETA has actually done something good for animals and not make themselves and vegs look dumb is when they got omnivores behind them would boycott a place because of bad treatment to animals, but who would come back if there was less bad treatment.
Eating humane meat would help animals more as it gives an insensitive for change.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Basically by eating humanely raise meat you would be given money to farmers who care about animals. When Mr. Money Bags sees that he is loosing money to a farm that sells humanly raised meat at a higher price (since animal protein prices haven't changed much) he will consider changing.
Hit them where it hurts, the wallet, and give intensive to change. Making 1 billion a year instead of 2 billion a year doesn't matter if there is not reason to change.
@DrKyure yeah but if people stopped eating meat, the meat industry wouldn't be enslaving and killing all these animals because no one would buy their products therefore they wouldn't make any money, so even if the meat industry wanted to continue for some reason, it would collapse economically. Until people boycott meat, the meat industry ain't gonna care because lets face it, most of these corporations don't care about ethics, once its legal & makes money they'll do it.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Enslaving is a strong word. They are fenced in and of course there is factory farming, but the word doesn't work.
If everyone didn't kill anymore then there would be no more murder or war, but there is realistic and there is wishful thinking.
The problem is that you run into people like me. I do not have a problem with animals being killed so I can eat them. I only don't like factory farming and mistreatment.
A few million omnivores would mean a market for meat.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: It is also worth noting that many of the same companies that cause factory farming or are seen as the problem by vegs own stock in popular vegetarian and vegan food companies. You are trying to fight greedy capitalism by fueling greedy capitalism.
As part of the traditional passover ceremony, instituted by God, a lamb was eaten. Jesus participated in this tradition with His disciples: Jesus said, "I have looked forward to this hour with deep longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering begins." (Luke 22:15 NLT)
Not only did Jesus eat meat with His disciples, but he also fed thousands of people fish (Matt. 14:17-19, 15:34-36) and he also fed His disciples fish after His resurrection (John 21:9).
Notice that God instructed Aaron and the Levitical priesthood to eat meat: And Aaron and his sons shall eat the flesh of the ram... (Ex. 29:32) And the remnant of the meat offering [shall be] Aaron's and his sons... (Lev. 2:3) And that which is left of the meat offering [shall be] Aaron's and his sons... (Lev. 2:10)
And all the meat offering that is baken in the oven, and all that is dressed in the fryingpan, and in the pan, shall be the priest's that offereth it. (Lev. 7:9) And Moses spake unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons that were left, Take the meat offering that remaineth of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and eat it without leaven beside the altar... (Lev. 10:12)
But the firstling of a cow, or the firstling of a sheep, or the firstling of a goat...the flesh of them shall be thine... (Num. 18:17,18) And this shall be the priest's due from the people, from them that offer a sacrifice, whether [it be] ox or sheep; and they shall give unto the priest the shoulder, and the two cheeks, and the maw. (Deut. 18:3)
When three beings, in the form of men, including the Lord Himself, visited Abraham at Hain Mamre, Abraham served them butter, milk, and flesh meat:
And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set [it] before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. (Gen 18:8)
"Don't you understand either?" he asked. "Can't you see that what you eat won't defile you? Food doesn't come in contact with your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then comes out again." (By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is acceptable.) (Mark 7:18-19 NLT)
“But he who kills an ox is like one who slays a man;
He who sacrifices a lamb is like the one who breaks a dog’s neck;
He who offers a grain offering is like one who offers swine’s blood;
He who [b]burns incense is like the one who blesses an idol.
As they have chosen their own ways,
And their soul delights in their abominations..."
This was talking about sacrifices, not eating meat. You can see this by the comment about grain, if what you wrote is true, we shouldn't eat grain either. -_-
Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything.
@SamElliott420 - and guess what? Youre an idiot for not even watching the first 5 seconds of the video when i clearly state that I dont believe in god. GTFO.
You're issue isn't w/ meat eaters..it's w/ the mean industry. Get that straight, eat your veggies (nothing wrong w/ that) and realize you're doing way too much bitching. The unhappy smirk on your face in this video will do you WAY more harm than meat. And that's pretty true. All the people that eat meat apparently rule and are responsible for your feelings and mental wellbeing. If that statement is true that's sad. My advice is eat either what you want or eat balanced. Either way..no bitching!
@SimplyThinkDreams It's just painfully clear the Bible doesn't see animals as ethically significant. Jesus eating fish, for example, and never mentioning animals in his ethical teaching.
@MrOdsplut Animals are ethically significant in the Bible. They just aren't as important as humans. Man was still given instructions on how he should treat animals. For instance, Israel was forbidden from muzzling the ox when it treads out a field. Animals weren't allowed to be put to work on the sabbath either. The story of Balaam and the ass in Numbers 22 also teaches us we shouldn't beat animals.
@SimplyThinkDreams By ethical significance, what I mean is intrinsic rather than instrumental significance. Humans have intrinsic significance because they are in the image of God etc, but the ethical value of animals is only in helping humans reach their telos of maturing into the likeness of God (and yes I am plagiarising Irenaeus a bit).
Tho I do not believe in the bible, I find it astounding how few christians have actually read it. All the christians I know (I have several dear friends who believe in that nonsense) rape and torture animals for pleasure and ALL use God and the bible as their justification. I know the bible better than any of them. When respectfully questioned just a WEE bit, they become very angry and/or neurotic. God is compassion and love. If you want those things, STOP RAPING AND TORTURING INNOCENT ANIMALS.
a) Livestock with cancerous tumors are routinely used for meat. The tumors are simply cut out before the meat is allowed to pass inspection as "wholesome" and fit for human consumption. There is a certain form of cancer found in chickens that can not be detected without a good deal of effort and expense. It is, therefore, often passed over. (Owen S. Parrett, M.D., from his essay, "Why I Don't Eat Meat")
@voltex12345 Along with sharp claws, all carnivores are given powerful jaws and long fangs — the sharp, elongated canine teeth for spearing and tearing flesh. "the canines . . . are long and pointed stabbing weapons in all flesh eaters."The so-called "canine teeth" in humans (termed thus because of the relative position in the mouth) have no resemblance to those found in the dog, cat, or even the omnivorous bear.
@voltex12345 On the other hand, the vegetarian animals are well equipped with sharp incisor teeth for biting into fresh fruits and vegetables; and unlike the meat-eaters they possess very well developed molar teeth for grinding and chewing of vegetables, fruits, and nuts.
@ZachandBailey1111 ugh... thank you but ok listen, i've been dragged to this video for replyes for MONTHS now.. i am now growing tired of this topic, i believe you're correct but i don't really wish to discuss on this video any further..
Since god isn't real who really gives a damn if he "loves" vegetarians. We are omnivores and can live very healthy on an omnivore diet. I don't let bullshit religion control what I do. I do as I want.
I think it's wonderful that you support Vegetarian-Christians. I am one myself. But actually, you are wrong at one point. The fact that you said you are in no way religious just shows to prove that you aren't as informed of the bible as you should be. The bible says in Acts 10:13 "Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." And that was the voice of God. So I do believe it's okay to kill animals for meat, IF necessary. But that's no excuse for the way people kill them today, it's sick.
@lovebigboobs29 You should consider though that for many of us, animals rights are also part of the battle against religious fundamentalism. A fundamentalism that sees people, environment as a stage of existence that can be exploited since this world ‘will pass’ and they will go to heaven. This is mental gap in religious societies where life is less important here than it will be once they get to heaven. So crimes against people, environment, animals are not criticized.
@voltex12345 "vegans are extreme and torture their bodies"??? wtf?? Meat eaters are the ones that line up to get treatment at hospitals. They are the ones torturing their own communities out funds by eating expensive and unhealthy meat products. Let alone how their own children are poisoned before they are born. Rewrite you own ethics if you can, or just sit on on a pile of ignorance. By the way vegans that are atheist is what the world needs. The world needs less ignorant people.
i mean they torture their taste buds as in, just tasting vegetables, i kinda believe that if you like vegetables
than that's not much of a problem
what's truly ignorant is assumption,ignorant people who have a great sense of knowledge, use that knowledge with arrogance and to look down on others
the maturity of a man is not measured by how much he knows, it is for knowing how to use it without arrogance and sense of superiority, those who don't are geniuses!
@ieatbonobos very well i accept the fact that yes too much of one thing is unhealthy and dangerous, some more than others, i should know, i'm living proof of it
and it's not because of meat,
i'm starting to have a serious problem due to my constant olive oil addiction over years, it's supposed to be healthier than butter, but since i actually consumed too much i'm paying for it... (as ridiculous as that sounds)
@voltex12345 I can't give people useless information since there are so many unjustices done to animals and to people. I can't apologise for saying that people are blindly ignoring how many lives are being damaged by human activity that takes our environment, animals and people as good to be exploited. Exploited butchered, murdered, put into extinction etc... people need to hear the hard reality of theirs & others' actions. Are you ignorant of what is going on? Have you thought aboutthecauses?
@ieatbonobos i have seen much of it yes, and i find it admirable for people to stop eating meat in order to get that much close to get one of those horror buildings to go bankrupt
it's not our fault that they do these things
but eating meat is within the food groups as protean
the hard truth doesn't matter, if it's the right thing then i agree to it
altho i have to ask, what does not being vegan have to do with people starving on other countries?
@voltex12345 If you are really interested in food production and how we are damaging the environment, our health, our children, other people in poor countries. Then you need to do a fair amount of research yourself. Look up at reports from international organisations, even the UN, or just get a basic book on evironmental issues. Go to the library. Then look into the issues of food and how animals are treated. After some research you will see alternatives that do less harm andimproveyourlife.
@voltex12345 Vegans stand out in a particular way since they don't touch any animal products which means they are very extrict in relation to harming of animals. but if you look at it they have made a direct change in econimc consumption, standards and a direct change for the better on personal health well beyond the normal standards of common consumers. If you can understand people that try to say that their words will open your mind.Veganism is different you have to live this way of life 2know
@voltex12345 For me the path to veganism was never in the cards since i didn't know about it until recently. i was into sport nutrition and also into animal rights. So i know what works for my body and meat, dairy and bad foods are too me second class compared to diets i tried for sports performance. I spent money on lots of alternative diets. veganism and raw organic foods is now so simple to apply, i don't need to worry about food issues since i always had higher standards of food intake.
i was trying to just prove that health had little to do with it,
i used to be Vegan
so yes i know
i was trying to say that we humans are meant to eat meat along with vegetables
"You are worried about your protein issue, teeth, and a primary school definition of monkeys" i'm not worried, i just wanted to make sure you'd know that it had little do do with health
@voltex12345 "i was trying to just prove that health had little to do with it," Not sure what you mean here. I am fortunate to have been involved in athetics and know what to do with my diet much more than other young people at the time. I also was interested in animal rights but i didn't know about vegans or people that used food as a way of protest. But now that I met vegans i can empathise on the issues of health since i have been eating similar diets to them.
@ieatbonobos and i did all the research i need, i know well what this world does, and trust me, i've became so disgusted with it that i actually became vegan long ago
i stopped recently because it's... just not worth it any more...
i already said more than twice that i find it very admirable to do that!
in order to bring peace to this world through non violent ways
but thanks to becoming a vegan, i felt this need of something to replace meat
@voltex12345 People that become vegan have made the right choice and the earlier it is made the better. LIke athetics it is best to do it under the age of 28 so that your heart muscles adjust to hard work. Veganism can have the same effect with common fresh foods, allowing for heart muscles to strengthen and give people a healthier body. The same effect of sports, vegan/raw diets, and food eating behaviours ( i.e. Japanese concept of staying hungry and not overeating) make amazing results.
@ieatbonobos Veganism is the wrong choice. They don't have a healthier lifestyle. Omnivore diet eating red meat twice a week and eating chicken and fish other days is a superior diet. Screw animal rights they have a right to be delicious.
@lovebigboobs29 - I beg to differ. I don't believe in God either, so I agree with not letting religion dictate your way of life. However, speaking on behalf of millions vegans and vegetarians worldwide, it is a very healthy lifestyle.
@voltex12345 ROFL I am at peace eating meat. Peaqce in the world has nothing to do with being vegan. They are food animals and are meant for our consumption.
@lovebigboobs29 Let us know how decisive you are about Atheism and human rights. Crimes by religious groups can be seen on TV i.e., mutilating, killing, stoning, executing, outcasting of people that speak out against oppression or get oppressed by general occurrence such as in Middle East, Africa, India, Pakistan. Few countries would have recent incidents of injustice in this area. What do you think for instance of public executions in USA? These go back to racist executions of slaves.
@lovebigboobs29 For you to say that you don’t care about animal rights, which are clearly linked to rights for environmental preservation (materialism) makes me think that you don’t hold ‘rights’ in general at heart in your own consciousness. If you were to speak on behalf of atheist you should hold a general understanding of rights and the desire to keep all that is good like the environment from those that see no value on real and material existence.
so, imagine if one person is at peace and the rest is just miserably suffering
that's a kingdom, not peaceful
MILIONS of animals are mass produced to be killed and served, in order to have several hundreds of people eat a piece that's about the size of your hand of that animal, that's a waist and unfair
imagine being killed to be thrown away if not perfect will ya?
@voltex12345 I don't see it as a waste. Maybe because i enjoy meat. Its life it happens. Well enjoy what ya eat is all I can say and I will enjoy what I like eating. I dont see everyone miserably suffering LOL alot of people enjoy meat as I do.
@voltex12345 I have no clue...... I know stores around here puts stuff on sell real cheap before the date on package to sell it and it usually gets sold. Big pack of chicken for like 2 bucks and such. Not sure about everywhere else. I dont know how many factories there are but I am sure there's a good number of them.
@voltex12345 Ahhhh ok. Well I am not willing to change into a vegetarian. I agree they dont need to torture the animals before slaughter. But I am not converting because of it. I enjoy meat too much. I do eat plenty of veggies,fiber and fruit as well.
@voltex12345 Its pretty dumb. Heck why don't they use a freezer and stuff like we do at home. It will preserve the meat till sold. Atleast freeze some of it and display the rest for people to buy. Makes more sense then throwing it out.
@voltex12345 Meat on the bone is the only thing that can't be refrozen. But I do get your point. But there's nothing we can do about what companies do.
@lovebigboobs29 becoming vegan is somethin admirable because if you do you're THAT MUCH CLOSE to bringing one of those senseless slaughter factories to bankruptcy
@voltex12345 This is why i think vegans are best placed to confront people because they are leading by example. Vegetarian are partly leading for example that is why they don't confront because their personal committment can be questioned. See my point. So if you are vegan. You can't scape committment and live the life that will bring confrontation with people because you are just that. A person that has changed so much that you will stand out amongst the crowd. Go with it.Don't fight it.DASEIN
@voltex12345 What I hate is when vegans blame starving people on us meat eaters. If they didn't use the land for feeding cattle then they would build something on it or some other way to make profit. They wouldn't give food to the hungry. Instead of fields of crops there would be a huge mall or subdivision.
@voltex12345 Peple need to be confronted for the stupidity and crimes that they commit and call it "culture" or "religious belief". There can't be a middle ground on certain things. You either participate by not doing anything or you confront.
@voltex12345 Hi there. So you are not feeling so pessimistic now?
"i respect anyone, race, religion, men and women, ways of life" Anyhow, how can you respect people that ways of life are brutal and abusive towards their own and to others? Do you respect religious fundamentalists? Racists? Anarchists? How about North Africans that mutilate children by cutting private parts even large parts of the vigina? There are people that have sex with new borns for medicine purposes.
@voltex12345 You are definitely being apologetic for people that hate vegans. I confront them all the time. That is why i confronted you when i saw the word torture in your sentence. When i read the comments made by people that belittle vegans that is when i am confrontational. I confront all sorts of really nasty people that leave nasty comments on perfectly fine channels. How would you like it if i said to you that you treat your children like if you treat prison immates? we are not tortured.
@voltex12345 I don't worry about typing mistakes, i look at people's message. Anyhow, "deprive", "torture" even if you say it in a light manner, they indicate that vegans don't enjoy food. Or have poor health due to "protein" deficiency, which is what you are directly saying.
I just saw your other comment, and you are generalising about vegans and their diet. Or more like you have a prejudice since you probably don't know what vegans eat or what choices they have around the world.
@voltex12345 There are countless things that people do to their bodies that are part of living in a polluted industrialised society. Little point mentioning because you know already. But the main point is that there are many factors that can change the health of a body. Even drinking too much water can kill a person. There is this crazy addiction to bottle water for instance, and the plastic bottle themselves contain carcinogens. You see my point. Or even just alcohol. It causes lung cancer.
Leviticus 11:1-30 “These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat..."
The solution to factory farming is to eat only grass fed and free range meats.
ApacheBoneknife 1 week ago
@ApacheBoneknife There is no humane way of killing. It's like saying there's a humane way of raping and murdering a human being.
TheHRchannel 3 days ago
@TheHRchannel I respect your feelings on the subject. However, you titled your video 'God Loves Vegetarians', but according to scripture, he doesn't love vegetarians anymore than those who eat meat.
ApacheBoneknife 3 days ago
@ApacheBoneknife "It is better to not eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles upon or is made weak."
-Roman 14:21
TheHRchannel 3 days ago
@TheHRchannel This verse is actually referencing offerings made to false idols, saying that partaking in these offerings is as sinful as worshiping the idol.
ApacheBoneknife 3 days ago
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Leviticus 11:1-30 And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. 3 Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat.
ApacheBoneknife 1 week ago
Jesus said: The right thing, is to not eat meat.
starfaery 1 week ago
Vegetarians are dumb
Eating meat =/= supporting animal torture
Drakedog777 2 weeks ago
@Drakedog777 Trolling much?
TheHRchannel 1 week ago
@TheHRchannel
nah just stating some facts.
Drakedog777 1 week ago
hello, great video just a few queestions please
why choose to be a vegitarian is it for health reasons
true bad things have been done to animals before they are eaten but different methods have been developed to lessen pain and factories that mistret the animals have been punishes
i have heard of some vegitarians eating fish is there a moral difference between a cow and another food animal i am a omnivore
residentmagnum 3 weeks ago
@residentmagnum - I'm a vegetarian because I don't agree with eating animals. So, moral reasons. Over 95% of animals killed come from factory farms, where they are routinely beaten, scalded alive, have their throats slit so they slowly bleed to death. Even those raised on "free range farms" may enjoy a happy (short) life, that doesn't guarantee a humane death.
Fish is meat. Therefore, anyone who eats fish cannot be a vegetarian. No exceptions.
FreedomForOrcas 3 weeks ago
@residentmagnum and others,
Look up Meat Video on YouTube to see what you are really eating as an "omnivore". God never wanted animals to be treated like they are in these slaughterhouses.
veganfemaleathlete 1 week ago
It doesn't surprise me... a religious man on trial for raping and killing someone can try to justify it with the bible.
AmericanCritiquer 3 weeks ago
If I even go to god=true,I will not call that being good or even worthy of following-for it made a nasty job of creating the world,and if "man is to blame",then it's easy to see god created the option for this existence to look the way it is.
Overall,People use the bible in a way to fit their benefit,The bible also says to stone to death a person who works on sabbath...People choose not to do that,therefor they are hypocrites.
Anyway,I'm a Vegan,and the bible holds endless conflicted messages.
Wharwulif 3 weeks ago
oh here's a good one:
Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything."
tek87 4 weeks ago
Romans 14:2-3, "One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The mans who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him."
I think you misunderstood the Genesis 9:9-11 quote. He is basically saying that the flood is over that neither man nor beast will be harmed by anymore flooding.
tek87 4 weeks ago
Um God himself ate meat:
Luke 22:7-23
Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Luke 24:42-43, "And they gave him (Jesus) a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."
tek87 4 weeks ago
You can not read the Bible without God. Nice try taking God's word out of context.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
LifeLibertyLove 1 month ago
Oh and majority of Christians I met that say God brought animals for us to eat haven't even cracked open the bible otherwise they'd be able to point out some verse as to where they got it from.
TheHRchannel 1 month ago
I say that if one believes in factory farm then they should just stop eating meat. Eating meat basically means that the person think it's okay to use painful methods to produce meat. I do not see how any Christian could eat animals knowing what happens in factory farm. Oh and I just thought I add Roman 14:21 and it says something like "It is better to not eat meat or drink wine or do anything to harm your brother or is made weak."
TheHRchannel 1 month ago
The comments you repsonded to just show that people jump to conclusions, but the points made here are very good, I'm an atheist but if god really did exist and he really did put animals here on the earth for us to eat why would he give them a nervous system thus allowing them to feel pain? if they are mere products that can he believes can be exploited by humans freely, why let them suffer? either he's not smart or he is immoral and wants these animals to suffer.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
Jesus grew up poor and ate whatever he could to survive.If he had been a vegetarians,he would have died a long time before he did.Plus,God told people to smear their doors with sheep blood in Egypt.BURNED!!!
TapionPinosha 1 month ago
the part where it says all moving things shall be meat for you, to me is a prophecy and not an allowance, yep and the quail thing, boom (laeled as lusters and given a plague, youre welcome)
tylermars1 1 month ago
Also, "Thou shalt not kill" is in regards to humans in normal situations. War would be an exception.
So I think that you didn't do too much research into this before starting. The quotes you give are either taken out of context or don't say anything about not eating animals.
Now that that is done, factory farming is wrong, however that doesn't mean we shouldn't eat any meat.
Issah 11 is mostly talking about Jesus I believe, not about not eating animals, mostly that there will be world peace.
DrKyure 2 months ago
So with all of those bible verses, you can see that, if you wish to believe in the bible and use it as a moral guide, eating meat is fine.
If God didn't want humans to eat meat, then he would have told humans not to do so and I'm fairly certain that not even early translations of the bible instruct against eating meat.
DrKyure 2 months ago
@DrKyure But what makes you believe the bible is true? I respect religious views and generally don't question them but if it its used to justify eating meat I have to ask is it necessary to kill billions of animals to have a tastier dinner? it would be a lot more ethical of humans if we didn't eat meat and left things be, nature is harsh but the meat industry is harsher.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: What makes you think that I think the bible is true? I was simply refuting what she said based on the same evidence. The bible, to me, is at best a moral guide. I don't put much importance on the bible, but to say that the bible says you shouldn't eat meat is dumb, of course it's been translated more that a McDonald's menu, so there's that.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: I don't use it to justify eating animals, though that is mostly because I don't think it needs justification. I do not consider eating meat to be immoral. Because I don't think it's immoral and because I know that it isn't that bad for you, if eaten in moderation, I eat it.
Dealing with justification and necessity is a slippery slope. I ask you, why should you stop once you start? If the number one cause are hardship is humans, do you feel we should continue breeding?
DrKyure 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: And there is always that the problem the cruelty in the meat industry is because of the industry part. You can raise and kill animals humanely.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure yes bt the meat industry wont treat animal humanely unless people say something about it. if u & most of society continue to financially contribute to the meat industry yet still disagree with the treatment of animals, then I can't see how it will stop, I agree its not immoral to simply eat meat bt it is immoral to put animals through the factory farm process & kill them in their billions in a world were its not necessary to consume meat, things wont change unless people do something
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Which is something good that PETA actually does, now if they could only stop being attention whores and allow themselves to be taken seriously more might happen.
Of course, you could always try to get people who eat meat to support you by not have the idea that you have to not eat meat to be a good person, the more selective you make your group, the weaker it is.
I don't see how someone who doesn't eat meat is going to get the industry to change for them.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: BTW, I assume you are not a vegan, you do realize that some products marked as free range and organic are pretty much what the industry says it is? It doesn't mean much. SO many vegs fool themselves into believing the same types of lies from the same industry.
It might not be necessary, but the more plausible reasoning is that people are different and we don't need the amount that we eat. Some can be vegs, some can't.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure I am a vegan, I've only gone quite recently but I wasn't aware of the damage in consuming milk, cheese, exc. until relatively recently. But you didn't get my point, to say a few people wont make a difference doesn't make it any more right and if you buy meat your money's going to the meat industry either way, also considering the environmental issues.
A 2006 UN report concluded that 18% of all greenhouse gases come about through the meat industry, that's more than global transport.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Do you mean damage to animals or damage to people? The thing about eggs and dairy is that you can raise the animals yourself, especially chickens, or get them humanely. That isn't all that difficult, but the products are typically marked as free range with a higher price when free range is dictated by the company you buy from.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: No, being a veg won't save animals from dying. If saving animals from dying is your goal, then veg*anism falls short. If you just want to not increase the demand for meat, then veg*anism is perfect for you, though so is freeganism.
Most of the problems involved in eating meat is not from raising and killing animals, it's from the INDUSTRY in meat industry. The same meat industry that has stock in many of the veg food companies. Corners are cut to save money...
DrKyure 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: ...for instance, it is cheaper to cause local environmental disaster than it is to actually be environmental in the first place. Of course, we could always reduce the amount of meat we eat and eat humanely raised meat, which to me would be better than not eating meat since it harms the bad guys but not the good guys.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: The UN has also voted to keep anti-homosexual laws legal, see, it's a political body. 18% isn't bad when 4-5 billion people are doing the same thing. The greenhouse gas is mostly methane from cattle.
Lets assume we all stop eating meat; next cause would be cars. I ask you, if cars were the #1 cause, would you not drive a car or any other vehicle, including public transportation, or would you opt for the more environmental vehicles and continue to improve cars?
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure How is it not bad? I don't understand what you mean by that? climate change is climate change whether people are okay with it or not, also the answer is simple, electric cars.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: I was talking about if you are saying consuming dairy is bad for humans, as in the dairy harms humans, because it doesn't or if you you are saying using animals to get this is bad.
OK. so you would prefer a MORE ENVIRONMENTAL answer instead of simply not using any cars. Me too. So, why can't we do that with animals? Because collectively, we still get about a 1.4:1 ration of all the food we feed animals to the food we get out of it.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure But I don't understand, how is an electric car dangerous for the environment at all? and about the 1:4:1 ratio, that seems inconsistent with any figures I've come across, most sources say that the amount of grain fed to an animal in its life on a factory farm is many more pounds than will be used to produce one pound of meat, and if you factorize in water, there is 1000s of gallons of water for merely one piece of meat.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Well, you would still have to account for mining, construction, transportation, the battery, and other various parts that could be poisonous, but that wasn't really my point. My point was that you went with an option that is more environmental instead of giving up meat. We can do the same with eating meat.
That is because that is the total conversion, what you are looking at is just western society. See, many times animals are fed we cannot eat...
DrKyure 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: ...as you said, GRAIN fed to animals in a FACTORY FARM. This accounts for only a percentage of the animals raise for food. If you stopped feeding the animals grain, you turn grass, insects, and left overs, into cows, chickens, and pigs. From food we can't eat, you get food we can, which gives you the overall 1.4:1 ration.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: When you account for everything that goes into meat, you might be slightly below what goes into plants if you are being sustainable. The amount of water if you raise animals normally with grass, that doesn't need as much water, or even other native plants, you don't need as much waters and about 50 gallons a day might be needed. Even better if you raise and eat native animals to the part of the world and continent you are in.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure well I haven't read that anywhere but it is debatable, but do you at least agree that certain treatments to animals such as castration shouldn't be allowed and that certain ways animals are treated by humans (which is legal) is unethical.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: I believe that factory farming is wrong and we shouldn't raise animals that way. Castration is more of a grey area. You can do it quickly where the animal is up and walking around (using a wire is painful), but it is used for a reason. Male animals are more aggressive naturally and typically are not wanted as much as females. So castration would be a better alternative than becoming veal (which I don't eat).
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure I don't understand though what difference does castration make? been castrated doesn't make you a female, it just means a male who is castrated, surly it wont change there whole mindset?
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Castration is one of the things that AR activists tend to say is immoral (although they also tend to support spay and neutering).
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure Well I don't support those things in anyways, I'm not tryna represent animal rights activists, I'm taking more of an approach in support of what I honestly think is right, so I guess you could say I'm an unconformed animal rights supporter cause I don't support neutering. Also I don't think its moral to deny a dogs right to have sex and find a partner. It should be considered part of the deal in having a dog as a pet that they have the right to sex, partners and puppies.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Neutered and spayed animals can have sex, they just have less of a sex drive and are not able to reproduce.
Why? They don't need to have offspring.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure oh okay and well maybe they'll want to, its hard to figure out if its okay or not but if they clearly want offspring (I don't know how you could tell, but if you could) I think they certainly deserve the right to have offspring but other than that, I'm not sure.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: So want plays a part in it.
So if I want to eat animals because I do not think it is wrong and we both clearly do not know factually if it is moral or not, why shouldn't people be allowed to eat humanely raised and killed meat?
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure well, just cause you want something doesn't make it okay, yet if its very important and the consequences for you and others is low then its concievable and I guess if its humane its justifiable but by humane that would be very strict. An animal would have to be allowed live a full life, have freedom, live in the wild or a simulation of the wild, exc.
But someday it may be possible to grow meat using stem cell technology which would be 100% humane cause no animals wud suffer.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Then you should apply that to animals too Just because they want to have offspring doesn't mean they should. Actually this applies to humans too, if not more so.
So, should we advocate voluntary extinction?
Humane tends to be a degree that a person arrived to on their own. What is humane for me, likely isn't for you and vise versa.
Or, you could eat non sentient animals. I mean, you already eat insects in your "veg" food without knowing it.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure You misunderstood what I said, I do agree it should apply to other animals too but it depends on the circumstances, the fact they are animals should not make their right to have offspring less important if they really want to and there's no good reason to stop them, it depends on the situation and what do you mean I eat insects without knowing it?
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Insect eggs are in pasta and bits of insects are in peanut butter, not to mention other things like rat hairs.
The point is that it is impossible to not eat animals. But if you care about sentience, then there are animals that are not sentient. Lucklly, insects fall into this category. The only reason why vegs don't eat not sentient animals is tradition, ease, and taste. The same arguments they say omnivores continue to eat meat.
Not to mention human milk.
DrKyure 1 month ago
@DrKyure well I guess I'll have to do my best to avoid eating insects too then, and of course I'm not perfect, its impossible but its better to try your hardest to avoid bringing pain to other animals than to not try at all and there's nothing wrong with a baby consuming a mothers milk if the mother is okay with it, in fact its generally the mother who decides to do it, the baby doesn't turn around and say "milk me now, you have no choice!" but its a different story with getting cows milk.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 1 month ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Not possible really. They are everywhere and can be really small, especially the eggs.
I'm not asking you to be perfect, I'm saying that sentience tends to be the reason to not eat animals, but some animals are not sentient, and cannot feel pain.
So I could consume human milk then right? Ever hear of Baby GaGa?
DrKyure 4 weeks ago
@DrKyure well yes I know some animals are not sentient but cows & pigs for e.g. almost certainly are. All I'm hoping for is a more ethical way of humans treating animals and I'm sure you want that too, so hopefully someday things will change.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 4 weeks ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: I personally do not think that sentience mean we can't eat animals, but this is about you.
So if you can eat animals that don't feel pain, and the reasoning most vegs say it is OK to eat plants when asked is that they don't feel pain, you thus can ethically eat animals.
I also think that eating humanly raised meat will help better than being a veg.
DrKyure 4 weeks ago
@DrKyure Well yes if the animal lived a life which was emotionally parallel to the life an animal would have in the wild and there wasn't necessaries suffering brought onto the animal then I guess it would be ethical but that wont happen unless people say something about it, I mean you agree you want factory farming to become more ethical but you just saying it wont change anything, I'd like that everyone went at least vegetation until things change and about your last point, better for what?
AntiSpeciesistWorld 3 weeks ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Think about this though. If you were a big corporation, why would you listen to a group of people who would never buy your product? The times when PETA has actually done something good for animals and not make themselves and vegs look dumb is when they got omnivores behind them would boycott a place because of bad treatment to animals, but who would come back if there was less bad treatment.
Eating humane meat would help animals more as it gives an insensitive for change.
DrKyure 3 weeks ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Basically by eating humanely raise meat you would be given money to farmers who care about animals. When Mr. Money Bags sees that he is loosing money to a farm that sells humanly raised meat at a higher price (since animal protein prices haven't changed much) he will consider changing.
Hit them where it hurts, the wallet, and give intensive to change. Making 1 billion a year instead of 2 billion a year doesn't matter if there is not reason to change.
DrKyure 3 weeks ago
@DrKyure yeah but if people stopped eating meat, the meat industry wouldn't be enslaving and killing all these animals because no one would buy their products therefore they wouldn't make any money, so even if the meat industry wanted to continue for some reason, it would collapse economically. Until people boycott meat, the meat industry ain't gonna care because lets face it, most of these corporations don't care about ethics, once its legal & makes money they'll do it.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 3 weeks ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: Enslaving is a strong word. They are fenced in and of course there is factory farming, but the word doesn't work.
If everyone didn't kill anymore then there would be no more murder or war, but there is realistic and there is wishful thinking.
The problem is that you run into people like me. I do not have a problem with animals being killed so I can eat them. I only don't like factory farming and mistreatment.
A few million omnivores would mean a market for meat.
DrKyure 3 weeks ago
@AntiSpeciesistWorld: It is also worth noting that many of the same companies that cause factory farming or are seen as the problem by vegs own stock in popular vegetarian and vegan food companies. You are trying to fight greedy capitalism by fueling greedy capitalism.
DrKyure 3 weeks ago
As part of the traditional passover ceremony, instituted by God, a lamb was eaten. Jesus participated in this tradition with His disciples: Jesus said, "I have looked forward to this hour with deep longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering begins." (Luke 22:15 NLT)
Not only did Jesus eat meat with His disciples, but he also fed thousands of people fish (Matt. 14:17-19, 15:34-36) and he also fed His disciples fish after His resurrection (John 21:9).
DrKyure 2 months ago
Notice that God instructed Aaron and the Levitical priesthood to eat meat: And Aaron and his sons shall eat the flesh of the ram... (Ex. 29:32) And the remnant of the meat offering [shall be] Aaron's and his sons... (Lev. 2:3) And that which is left of the meat offering [shall be] Aaron's and his sons... (Lev. 2:10)
DrKyure 2 months ago
And all the meat offering that is baken in the oven, and all that is dressed in the fryingpan, and in the pan, shall be the priest's that offereth it. (Lev. 7:9) And Moses spake unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons that were left, Take the meat offering that remaineth of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and eat it without leaven beside the altar... (Lev. 10:12)
DrKyure 2 months ago
But the firstling of a cow, or the firstling of a sheep, or the firstling of a goat...the flesh of them shall be thine... (Num. 18:17,18) And this shall be the priest's due from the people, from them that offer a sacrifice, whether [it be] ox or sheep; and they shall give unto the priest the shoulder, and the two cheeks, and the maw. (Deut. 18:3)
DrKyure 2 months ago
When three beings, in the form of men, including the Lord Himself, visited Abraham at Hain Mamre, Abraham served them butter, milk, and flesh meat:
And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set [it] before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. (Gen 18:8)
DrKyure 2 months ago
"Don't you understand either?" he asked. "Can't you see that what you eat won't defile you? Food doesn't come in contact with your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then comes out again." (By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is acceptable.) (Mark 7:18-19 NLT)
DrKyure 2 months ago
“But he who kills an ox is like one who slays a man;
He who sacrifices a lamb is like the one who breaks a dog’s neck;
He who offers a grain offering is like one who offers swine’s blood;
He who [b]burns incense is like the one who blesses an idol.
As they have chosen their own ways,
And their soul delights in their abominations..."
This was talking about sacrifices, not eating meat. You can see this by the comment about grain, if what you wrote is true, we shouldn't eat grain either. -_-
DrKyure 2 months ago
VEGETARIANS ARE STUPID
DrewPicklesOgre 2 months ago
Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything.
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
You're damn cute
Lewiis2011 2 months ago
stfu u useless religious idiot
SamElliott420 2 months ago
@SamElliott420 - and guess what? Youre an idiot for not even watching the first 5 seconds of the video when i clearly state that I dont believe in god. GTFO.
FreedomForOrcas 2 months ago 5
@FreedomForOrcas aha tru oops never mind then
SamElliott420 2 months ago
@FreedomForOrcas so something that isnt real likes something that is real?
now you better explain this ...
maidenkid84 1 month ago
You're issue isn't w/ meat eaters..it's w/ the mean industry. Get that straight, eat your veggies (nothing wrong w/ that) and realize you're doing way too much bitching. The unhappy smirk on your face in this video will do you WAY more harm than meat. And that's pretty true. All the people that eat meat apparently rule and are responsible for your feelings and mental wellbeing. If that statement is true that's sad. My advice is eat either what you want or eat balanced. Either way..no bitching!
MrCrazyKool 3 months ago
@MrCrazyKool - I'm not bitching, simply voicing my opinions. I'm sorry if you got that impression.
FreedomForOrcas 3 months ago
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According to the Bible, Jesus and his follower ate meat. But that doesn't matter because gods do not exist. Case closed.
Trolovski 3 months ago
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Trolovski 3 months ago
Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."
Leviticus 11:2 "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These [are] the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that [are] on the earth."
Deuteronomy 14:4 "These [are] the beasts which ye shall eat:.."
Exodus 12:4 "...every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb."
I'm sick and tired people who fail to do any diligent research.
SimplyThinkDreams 3 months ago
@SimplyThinkDreams It's just painfully clear the Bible doesn't see animals as ethically significant. Jesus eating fish, for example, and never mentioning animals in his ethical teaching.
MrOdsplut 2 months ago
@MrOdsplut Animals are ethically significant in the Bible. They just aren't as important as humans. Man was still given instructions on how he should treat animals. For instance, Israel was forbidden from muzzling the ox when it treads out a field. Animals weren't allowed to be put to work on the sabbath either. The story of Balaam and the ass in Numbers 22 also teaches us we shouldn't beat animals.
SimplyThinkDreams 2 months ago
@SimplyThinkDreams By ethical significance, what I mean is intrinsic rather than instrumental significance. Humans have intrinsic significance because they are in the image of God etc, but the ethical value of animals is only in helping humans reach their telos of maturing into the likeness of God (and yes I am plagiarising Irenaeus a bit).
MrOdsplut 2 months ago
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Tho I do not believe in the bible, I find it astounding how few christians have actually read it. All the christians I know (I have several dear friends who believe in that nonsense) rape and torture animals for pleasure and ALL use God and the bible as their justification. I know the bible better than any of them. When respectfully questioned just a WEE bit, they become very angry and/or neurotic. God is compassion and love. If you want those things, STOP RAPING AND TORTURING INNOCENT ANIMALS.
FathomlessJoy 3 months ago
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Do meat eaters feel guilty about eating meat? /watch?v=MzXlsTKndGA
haridham 3 months ago
a) Livestock with cancerous tumors are routinely used for meat. The tumors are simply cut out before the meat is allowed to pass inspection as "wholesome" and fit for human consumption. There is a certain form of cancer found in chickens that can not be detected without a good deal of effort and expense. It is, therefore, often passed over. (Owen S. Parrett, M.D., from his essay, "Why I Don't Eat Meat")
ZachandBailey1111 3 months ago
Is eating meat bad karma? /watch?v=ytEz2GQOVNk
haridham 3 months ago
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God doesn't exist. I like to eat meat.
Keybern 3 months ago
@CrimsonEnigma01 it's meant for both...
and i said eat not hunt
our body has evolved in according with our own hands that build weapons of which we can hunt with
our digestive racks can't really dissolve bacteria, from BOTH meat and vegetables
so we burn it
if our mouth isn't designed to dissolve roasted meat (which is what we have evolved to do) then why do we have canine teeth?
i hate the smell of smoke, why on earth did you even use that as an example?
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 Along with sharp claws, all carnivores are given powerful jaws and long fangs — the sharp, elongated canine teeth for spearing and tearing flesh. "the canines . . . are long and pointed stabbing weapons in all flesh eaters."The so-called "canine teeth" in humans (termed thus because of the relative position in the mouth) have no resemblance to those found in the dog, cat, or even the omnivorous bear.
ZachandBailey1111 3 months ago
@voltex12345 On the other hand, the vegetarian animals are well equipped with sharp incisor teeth for biting into fresh fruits and vegetables; and unlike the meat-eaters they possess very well developed molar teeth for grinding and chewing of vegetables, fruits, and nuts.
ZachandBailey1111 3 months ago
@ZachandBailey1111 ugh... thank you but ok listen, i've been dragged to this video for replyes for MONTHS now.. i am now growing tired of this topic, i believe you're correct but i don't really wish to discuss on this video any further..
with my best regards, farewell
voltex12345 3 months ago
Veganism/Vegetarianism rules watch?v=WWMnscY04AY
haridham 4 months ago
@FreedomForOrcas It was not about you. I quite agree with you.
XTYPE3110 4 months ago
God??? If you believe in God you must also believe in Santa Claus and the egg-laying bunny !
you can believe in... i know...
knowledge is power....
XTYPE3110 4 months ago 2
@XTYPE3110 - Did you even watch the video? -_-. I said I was an atheist. I don't believe in God.
FreedomForOrcas 4 months ago 4
@FreedomForOrcas Please read the inbox I sent you.
MrOdsplut 2 months ago
Since god isn't real who really gives a damn if he "loves" vegetarians. We are omnivores and can live very healthy on an omnivore diet. I don't let bullshit religion control what I do. I do as I want.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
given every green herb for food...ooh I would'nt fancy eating every green thing i come across,there's some pretty toxic plants around...
metamaggot 4 months ago
I think it's wonderful that you support Vegetarian-Christians. I am one myself. But actually, you are wrong at one point. The fact that you said you are in no way religious just shows to prove that you aren't as informed of the bible as you should be. The bible says in Acts 10:13 "Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." And that was the voice of God. So I do believe it's okay to kill animals for meat, IF necessary. But that's no excuse for the way people kill them today, it's sick.
gaiaon123 4 months ago
death is necessary for life
we are omnivorous and we should have lived as so
but i understand we didn't
altho i respect your point, humans use the feeding system in society as very deep in economy
they slaughter and produce more than it is eaten
and that is indeed unfair to life
still, vegans are extreme and torture their bodies to prove the point of it
and apparently it's the only civilized way of trying to diminish that unfairness
it has nothing to do with health
it just a fight for fairness
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 - You can be a vegan, and still be healthy. Don't knock it til you've tried it ;)
Thanks for your understanding though ^.^
FreedomForOrcas 4 months ago
@FreedomForOrcas
in this world you either write anything worth reading, or do something worth writing
it was actually never about health,
only a few rare plants produce protein
and they are sacrificed to soothe vegans
i respect your way kuz you're doing something worth writing :D
you're doing this for the cause of senseless slaughter to end and that's marvelous
i really don't understand what this really have anything with religion anyway
voltex12345 4 months ago
@FreedomForOrcas You can be an omnivore like me and be healthier.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 - LOL i'm very healthy. But thanks anyway xD
FreedomForOrcas 4 months ago
@FreedomForOrcas So am I
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 You should consider though that for many of us, animals rights are also part of the battle against religious fundamentalism. A fundamentalism that sees people, environment as a stage of existence that can be exploited since this world ‘will pass’ and they will go to heaven. This is mental gap in religious societies where life is less important here than it will be once they get to heaven. So crimes against people, environment, animals are not criticized.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@voltex12345 "vegans are extreme and torture their bodies"??? wtf?? Meat eaters are the ones that line up to get treatment at hospitals. They are the ones torturing their own communities out funds by eating expensive and unhealthy meat products. Let alone how their own children are poisoned before they are born. Rewrite you own ethics if you can, or just sit on on a pile of ignorance. By the way vegans that are atheist is what the world needs. The world needs less ignorant people.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos so i made a mistake?
i mean they torture their taste buds as in, just tasting vegetables, i kinda believe that if you like vegetables
than that's not much of a problem
what's truly ignorant is assumption,ignorant people who have a great sense of knowledge, use that knowledge with arrogance and to look down on others
the maturity of a man is not measured by how much he knows, it is for knowing how to use it without arrogance and sense of superiority, those who don't are geniuses!
voltex12345 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos very well i accept the fact that yes too much of one thing is unhealthy and dangerous, some more than others, i should know, i'm living proof of it
and it's not because of meat,
i'm starting to have a serious problem due to my constant olive oil addiction over years, it's supposed to be healthier than butter, but since i actually consumed too much i'm paying for it... (as ridiculous as that sounds)
voltex12345 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos once again, only a rare kind of plant can produce proteans, which herbivore animals can survive without but we can't
you'd have to also explain why we have canines and also why monkeys are Omnivorous to convince me of that
if you were offended by my first mistake then i apologize
i would kindly thank you for rewriting your own because i found "just sit on a pile of ignorance" to be offensive
and to be the words of a man who claims superiority, which is ignorant
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 I can't give people useless information since there are so many unjustices done to animals and to people. I can't apologise for saying that people are blindly ignoring how many lives are being damaged by human activity that takes our environment, animals and people as good to be exploited. Exploited butchered, murdered, put into extinction etc... people need to hear the hard reality of theirs & others' actions. Are you ignorant of what is going on? Have you thought aboutthecauses?
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos i have seen much of it yes, and i find it admirable for people to stop eating meat in order to get that much close to get one of those horror buildings to go bankrupt
it's not our fault that they do these things
but eating meat is within the food groups as protean
the hard truth doesn't matter, if it's the right thing then i agree to it
altho i have to ask, what does not being vegan have to do with people starving on other countries?
and defforestation?
voltex12345 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos i respect your way of food consumption,
i never respected this economy hoax to kill millions just to eat pieces of a few,
a prey is feasted on when the predator feels the need of consumption for SURVIVAL.
this is abuse and i know of it, still,
as much as i want to not be a part of this
i'm sorry to say that i feel the need of consuming protean through natural ways
calling my quotes ignorant is not the cold hard truth, it's just useless information
i am willing to hear your side
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 If you are really interested in food production and how we are damaging the environment, our health, our children, other people in poor countries. Then you need to do a fair amount of research yourself. Look up at reports from international organisations, even the UN, or just get a basic book on evironmental issues. Go to the library. Then look into the issues of food and how animals are treated. After some research you will see alternatives that do less harm andimproveyourlife.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@voltex12345 Vegans stand out in a particular way since they don't touch any animal products which means they are very extrict in relation to harming of animals. but if you look at it they have made a direct change in econimc consumption, standards and a direct change for the better on personal health well beyond the normal standards of common consumers. If you can understand people that try to say that their words will open your mind.Veganism is different you have to live this way of life 2know
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@voltex12345 For me the path to veganism was never in the cards since i didn't know about it until recently. i was into sport nutrition and also into animal rights. So i know what works for my body and meat, dairy and bad foods are too me second class compared to diets i tried for sports performance. I spent money on lots of alternative diets. veganism and raw organic foods is now so simple to apply, i don't need to worry about food issues since i always had higher standards of food intake.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos ah finally
i was trying to just prove that health had little to do with it,
i used to be Vegan
so yes i know
i was trying to say that we humans are meant to eat meat along with vegetables
"You are worried about your protein issue, teeth, and a primary school definition of monkeys" i'm not worried, i just wanted to make sure you'd know that it had little do do with health
so if you put it that way.. well yes
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 "i was trying to just prove that health had little to do with it," Not sure what you mean here. I am fortunate to have been involved in athetics and know what to do with my diet much more than other young people at the time. I also was interested in animal rights but i didn't know about vegans or people that used food as a way of protest. But now that I met vegans i can empathise on the issues of health since i have been eating similar diets to them.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos and i did all the research i need, i know well what this world does, and trust me, i've became so disgusted with it that i actually became vegan long ago
i stopped recently because it's... just not worth it any more...
i already said more than twice that i find it very admirable to do that!
in order to bring peace to this world through non violent ways
but thanks to becoming a vegan, i felt this need of something to replace meat
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 People that become vegan have made the right choice and the earlier it is made the better. LIke athetics it is best to do it under the age of 28 so that your heart muscles adjust to hard work. Veganism can have the same effect with common fresh foods, allowing for heart muscles to strengthen and give people a healthier body. The same effect of sports, vegan/raw diets, and food eating behaviours ( i.e. Japanese concept of staying hungry and not overeating) make amazing results.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos Veganism is the wrong choice. They don't have a healthier lifestyle. Omnivore diet eating red meat twice a week and eating chicken and fish other days is a superior diet. Screw animal rights they have a right to be delicious.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 - I beg to differ. I don't believe in God either, so I agree with not letting religion dictate your way of life. However, speaking on behalf of millions vegans and vegetarians worldwide, it is a very healthy lifestyle.
FreedomForOrcas 4 months ago
@voltex12345 ROFL I am at peace eating meat. Peaqce in the world has nothing to do with being vegan. They are food animals and are meant for our consumption.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 Let us know how decisive you are about Atheism and human rights. Crimes by religious groups can be seen on TV i.e., mutilating, killing, stoning, executing, outcasting of people that speak out against oppression or get oppressed by general occurrence such as in Middle East, Africa, India, Pakistan. Few countries would have recent incidents of injustice in this area. What do you think for instance of public executions in USA? These go back to racist executions of slaves.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 For you to say that you don’t care about animal rights, which are clearly linked to rights for environmental preservation (materialism) makes me think that you don’t hold ‘rights’ in general at heart in your own consciousness. If you were to speak on behalf of atheist you should hold a general understanding of rights and the desire to keep all that is good like the environment from those that see no value on real and material existence.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 i agree with half of that
it kinda depends on your point of view,
peace means peace for all
so, imagine if one person is at peace and the rest is just miserably suffering
that's a kingdom, not peaceful
MILIONS of animals are mass produced to be killed and served, in order to have several hundreds of people eat a piece that's about the size of your hand of that animal, that's a waist and unfair
imagine being killed to be thrown away if not perfect will ya?
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 I don't see it as a waste. Maybe because i enjoy meat. Its life it happens. Well enjoy what ya eat is all I can say and I will enjoy what I like eating. I dont see everyone miserably suffering LOL alot of people enjoy meat as I do.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 dude XD
i'm not a vegetarian and i'm in agree with ya
it's just that predador hunts to feed
humans hunt to sell
which ends up either eating too much or throwing away
whichever's first
and that's stupid
killing an animal without eating it, isn't part of the circle of life
it's just senseless killing get it?
that happens a lot
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 Yeah I understand. I know we dont waste what we get. But yes its true alot of people do.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 not just people
ENTIRE COMPANYES
and IN MASS
an animal's killed,
chopped in bits only one bit is enough, the rest is garbage
one buys something to the market
if no one buys it in that day it spoils and it's also garbadge
so basically one life thrown a way
and THOUSANDS of the same example happen per factory
now... how many meat factories are there in the world?
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 I have no clue...... I know stores around here puts stuff on sell real cheap before the date on package to sell it and it usually gets sold. Big pack of chicken for like 2 bucks and such. Not sure about everywhere else. I dont know how many factories there are but I am sure there's a good number of them.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 my main point was before that
the "entire companies that throw away useful food
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 True I know what your saying.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 being vegetarian never had anything to do with health
it's the fact that animals go through horrid torture their whole lives to be killed to sooth yet another fat belly
and have half thrown away
not to mention the horrible imbalance that causes
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 Ahhhh ok. Well I am not willing to change into a vegetarian. I agree they dont need to torture the animals before slaughter. But I am not converting because of it. I enjoy meat too much. I do eat plenty of veggies,fiber and fruit as well.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 neither am i
i find it remarcable that they do but i'm not going back
i mean they kill 10 to eat a piece of 1
how stupid is that? XD
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 Its pretty dumb. Heck why don't they use a freezer and stuff like we do at home. It will preserve the meat till sold. Atleast freeze some of it and display the rest for people to buy. Makes more sense then throwing it out.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 nono
you still don't get it, they DO have but once something has been frosted, once defrosted can't be frosted again
they just make money by killing and that's what matters to them that's all
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 Meat on the bone is the only thing that can't be refrozen. But I do get your point. But there's nothing we can do about what companies do.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 becoming vegan is somethin admirable because if you do you're THAT MUCH CLOSE to bringing one of those senseless slaughter factories to bankruptcy
so that they stop
it's either that or throw bricks at their windows
i kinda don wanna go to jail so i don do that :P
i just respect what everyone eats
i eat anything that's edible
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 This is why i think vegans are best placed to confront people because they are leading by example. Vegetarian are partly leading for example that is why they don't confront because their personal committment can be questioned. See my point. So if you are vegan. You can't scape committment and live the life that will bring confrontation with people because you are just that. A person that has changed so much that you will stand out amongst the crowd. Go with it.Don't fight it.DASEIN
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
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voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 What I hate is when vegans blame starving people on us meat eaters. If they didn't use the land for feeding cattle then they would build something on it or some other way to make profit. They wouldn't give food to the hungry. Instead of fields of crops there would be a huge mall or subdivision.
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 YEAH! we're not at fault!
the factories are at fault!
just because we don't commit to torture our taste buds for loss of protean for the greater good means automatically that we are monsters?
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 I know LOL. They compare us to hitler ROFL
lovebigboobs29 4 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 some of em
SOME of em
some of em believe they are politically superior or morally superior or just a big deal because of that
but not all are dogs like that
i respect anyone, race, religion, men and women, ways of life
to me that doesn't exist
to me there are people and people
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 Peple need to be confronted for the stupidity and crimes that they commit and call it "culture" or "religious belief". There can't be a middle ground on certain things. You either participate by not doing anything or you confront.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@voltex12345 Hi there. So you are not feeling so pessimistic now?
"i respect anyone, race, religion, men and women, ways of life" Anyhow, how can you respect people that ways of life are brutal and abusive towards their own and to others? Do you respect religious fundamentalists? Racists? Anarchists? How about North Africans that mutilate children by cutting private parts even large parts of the vigina? There are people that have sex with new borns for medicine purposes.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos you clearly ignored my rule
if someone harms psychologically or physically or force another individual against their will at anything
then my respect instantly vanishes, if anything i try to reason with.
i don't generalize but some vegans see others as inferior and monsters for doing what comes naturally
which is both harming, suppressing and morally forcing someone against their will
i can't respect that
an individual has his or her own choise
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 You are definitely being apologetic for people that hate vegans. I confront them all the time. That is why i confronted you when i saw the word torture in your sentence. When i read the comments made by people that belittle vegans that is when i am confrontational. I confront all sorts of really nasty people that leave nasty comments on perfectly fine channels. How would you like it if i said to you that you treat your children like if you treat prison immates? we are not tortured.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago 2
@ieatbonobos i made a stupid mistake in spelling and my native language isn't English so i have a small problem with that
"i meant torture your taste buds" i know i did
everyone knows their own
and you also deprive yourselves of protean i don't know how that medically affects you
also i don't know what "apologetic"
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 I don't worry about typing mistakes, i look at people's message. Anyhow, "deprive", "torture" even if you say it in a light manner, they indicate that vegans don't enjoy food. Or have poor health due to "protein" deficiency, which is what you are directly saying.
I just saw your other comment, and you are generalising about vegans and their diet. Or more like you have a prejudice since you probably don't know what vegans eat or what choices they have around the world.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago
@ieatbonobos yes...
i'm human
i make mistakes
i was sleepy that time and didn't thing well and still instead of confronting someone impatiently
first warn them and explain, then if they refuse to listen to reason then there you have a reason to confront that
i would very much rather to have you explain to me how you deal with the food vegetarians and vegans eat that won't saturate them
kuz in that i need teaching go ahead
voltex12345 4 months ago
@voltex12345 There are countless things that people do to their bodies that are part of living in a polluted industrialised society. Little point mentioning because you know already. But the main point is that there are many factors that can change the health of a body. Even drinking too much water can kill a person. There is this crazy addiction to bottle water for instance, and the plastic bottle themselves contain carcinogens. You see my point. Or even just alcohol. It causes lung cancer.
ieatbonobos 4 months ago