Hey all you fucking idiot democrats and liberals out there go ahead and dislike this comment and say glenn is an idiot he's way smarter than any of you so you don't like the truth too bad liberals are ruining this country and a lot of men think so too how's Obama doing oh yeah HE FUCKING SUCKS 25% approval ratings haha what a joke
Republicans were the ones that built the bridge to nowhere!!!!! only 5 % is discretionary spending! 60 percent is defense. 40 percent medicare/medicaid and social security. 5 percent operating budget. HES LYING!!!!!! the wars were unpaid for from the start! and Bush made a tax cut!!! There was a surplus when Clinton left office. A SURPLUS!!!!
No, but you should probably sanitize your mouth. I warned you my kids might read these forums. If you can't comment on substance, without a potty mouth, then go away.
And I checked your source, much earlier in fact, which is why I characterized it as I did. It's tedious and extremely biased. Yes, it's got a portion of interesting revelations, but also its share of statistical spin, mostly hair splitting. The issues it highlights for GB refer primarily to his from-the-hip commentary on his radio program (e.g. whether Michele Obama has 46 or 22 assistants of which some are tasked with doing her shopping).
And what would be the politically correct number of responses? How about I just don't respond, because you've successfully evaded the original request, which would be "what exactly is it" GB is doing to "exploiting ignorance and mongering fear". So, rather than flap your gums, would you like to deal with some substance. Oh, and keep your language clean, my kids read these posts.
@ASkyofHeads "your response to my one post was three posts criticizing Obama"
So, vigorous debate must avoid timely, relevant examples? I could use Jimmy Carter or Richard Nixon, but you probably don't remember them for the bumbling and destructive baboons that they were, so I chose someone current. If you prefer, I could use Trofim Lysenko as an example of gullible buy-in, but do you even know who he is? As for Dunning-Kruger, for the record, I never referred to you as unskilled, just naive.
Ooops, meant "buffoons" but my spell checker thought differently... I guess "baboons" would work for two of the worst presidencies of the last century except for FDR and Wilson.
@ASkyofHeads "if you don't see how this clown is over-the-top"
Well, let's see, to quote myself, "this guy, fool or genius or loud-mouthed rodeo clown that he is". I see him for what he is, nothing more, nothing less. He has moments of idiocy, and moments of brilliance, perhaps like EVERY OTHER being on this planet. Maybe that's your problem, you try to elevate people beyond their natural stature and are perpetually disappointed. It must have been a daily struggle for you when KO was still on.
@ASkyofHeads "I gave you a source of many of his lies"
Trust me on this, Glenn Beck isn't using Politifact's website as a source for his material - everyone knows Politifact is just a liberal hack job, which begs the question of why, for even a moment, you would think GB or any conservative would rely on it as a source.
But to address YOU, giving me a website consisting of a thousand stories (probably mostly untrue, if not egregiously biased) isn't giving me any issue of substance.
@ASkyofHeads "Besides rhetoric, do you have any actual substantive example"
I gave that last rant as an example of how you can be both rhetorical (I don't expect you'll be able to reply), and substantive (I gave real examples of how Obama misled voters) at the same time. Watch and learn young grasshopper.
@ASkyofHeads "I'm bothered by people being misled (especially when these people vote)?"
Just a side note, the last Presidential Election must have really perturbed you then, eh!
All those tingly legged Obamites, expecting the oceans to recede, waiting with outstretched hands for their Obama-bucks! Hoping beyond hope that Obama's stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, that Obamacare would "Bend the Cost Curve", that Cash for Clunkers wouldn't be an absolute and utter waste of our money.
1) "Is it so wrong that I'm bothered?" It's not a matter of right or wrong, but maybe healthy or unhealthy. Getting defensive because of an inquiry, that's definitely unhealthy.
2) "Besides rhetoric?" At this point, you haven't stretched much beyond rhetoric. (i.e. questions or statements made with no intent on listening to any response - mostly accusative, but without any substantive evidence backing the statements)
You assert GB's "flat-out" and "over-the-top", examples?
@ASkyofHeads "I really wish people wouldn't let themselves be duped"
Two questions for you, 1) what do you care what other's listen to, 2) what exactly is it that this guy, fool or genius or loud-mouthed rodeo clown that he is, "duped" people with? Besides rhetoric, do you have any actual substantive example? Sorry, that was three questions, but the forum is yours.
@jaml85 "His show only appealed to rascist, angry, white people who lost their job"
Of course, his audience must be white, and must also be racist and angry. It goes without saying, right? So what was the job all the angry, racist, white people lost?
BTW, you're right, Middle America is exactly the reason why we are in this Great Great* Economic Depression ("this crap" per ti), because when they had a chance to raise their voices against the indulgences of Clinton, Bush, et al, they failed to.
Sorry Beck, but you have proven your utter incompetence far too many times for me to even attempt to take anything that comes out of your mouth seriously. You are severely uneducated, and you come off as a raving idiot.
@emperor0013 "you have proven your utter incompetence far too many times for me to even attempt to take anything that comes out of your mouth seriously"
I'm not signing up as a GB apologist, but curiously amid your raving, you don't actually mention anything GB has actually said typifying alleged incompetence. Perhaps you can elaborate?
I honestly am shocked to have read this. There are far too many instances to list, I wouldn't know where to begin. At this point it is a well known fact. Not even Fox, statistically the worst news source, want him anymore. Use google, buddy. There is no shortage of lists of blunders this moron has made, and I don't have the time to list it here.
@emperor0013 "far too many instances to list, I wouldn't know where to begin"
Too many, huh? If there are many, there should be at least one, so why don't you start there, with ONE. Pick the biggest, most obtuse, glaring example of Beck's "raving, uneducated, incompetence".
BTW, "Use Google" translates as "too Lazy to actually report on anything substantive". You made the allegation, so bone up and defend it; if you had time to make a comment, make an empty reply, then you've got plenty.
He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible. He said he 'checked'.
He either did not check or checked up his arsegraped butt because he's lying. John Qunicy Adams used a law book. Franklin Pierce didn't even swear. He affirmed. Teddy Roosevelt used no Bible. Several Presidents kissed a Bible but did not swear on one.
@emperor0013 "He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible."
And Obama ensured us he would "bend the cost curve" with Obamacare and by the end of his presidency cut the deficit by $2T. I guess if he meant to bend the cost curve "upwards", that would be true, but with the bills Obama has signed, the deficit has soared. Have you made effort to point out Obama's "raving incompetence"?
But, splitting hairs over "swearing on" or "kissing" a bible, that's relevant?
Glenn Beck lied when he said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million.
The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.
@emperor0013 "The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding."
Wow, are those doors made out of Gold or something?! Anything more than a $10-20,000 is a bit high, don't you think? You're as laughable as the Republigoons and Spendocrats arguing over $40-$60B of budget cuts when we've got a $1T deficit on a budget that was submitted OUTSIDE of the fiscal year to which it applies while discussing "raising the Debt Limit"!? Getting the picture here, junior!?
Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
"Holdren co-authored the textbook Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment; they discussed the possible role of a wide variety of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning to enforced population controls, including forced sterilization for women after they gave birth to a designated number of children" Goldberg, Michelle. "Holdren's Controversial Population Control Past", The American Prospect, 2009
In his own words, "Compulsory control of family size is an unpalatable idea, but the alternatives may be much more horrifying... they may begin demanding such control. A far better choice, in our view, is to expand the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences, while redoubling efforts to ensure that the means of birth control, including abortion and sterilization, are accessible to every human being on Earth within the shortest possible time." Tomato/Tomatoe
Glenn Beck lied when he said that when users used the government's cash for clunker site they had to agree that their computers would become government property.
@emperor0013 "when users used the government's cash for clunker site they had to agree that their computers would become government property"
Well, that just sounds silly. Either GB is off his rocker, was being sarcastic, or you've managed to take him out of context. To verify it isn't the latter, could you provide the actual quote or specify when/where he said such a thing? Again, chump change compared to the waste the program actually generated, but when there's a beam in your eye...
So your content with letting major institutions fall with no regard for collateral damage brought on the average citizen? I guess you have a very different view of humanity.
@garynorthtruro "letting major institutions fall with no regard for collateral damage brought on the average citizen"
You've just presented another false choice. Do you seriously claim there was no collateral damage when the banks were bailed out?! It's hard to imagine when we'll ever stop paying for that bailout. All equitable law was suspended when the first of the bailouts began. How do you ever unwind something like that... and the longer you wait, the more tangled it gets.
@garynorthtruro "So what is your problem with the present admin"
Besides Obama being an absolute amateur with no experience and all ego, besides filling his cabinet with socialist academics with even less real world experience (as if that was even possible), the biggest problem with this administration has been a spend-drunk congress more anxious to waste our money than the Spender-in-Chief. Frankly, I don't care who's in the White House as long as he has no friends in Congress.
No, "WE" have not been at anything, except that "WE" have been electing generations of leaders who have whooed "US" with promises they are unable to keep, backed by special interests to whom they really answer. You seem to be lulled into the false choice of GOP or DEM, when the real answer is to make sure whenever we have a Republican President, we have a Democratic Congress and visa versa. The greatness of our politic is embattled interests.
So competition means tariff to you as a solution. You still have not
mentioned exactly what we might start producing on a scale to bring employment even half way back to previous levels. Abstraction kind of skips over the details and time scales. So please, will it be toasters, tv, computer 'parts', autos with mostly American content. Millions await your decision. Where would factories be located? The list is long.
@garynorthtruro "competition means tariff to you as a solution"
No, if you read Buffet's treatise on the matter, the tariff is an offset for the fiat actions of OTHER governments. It basically says, "if you are going to subsidize your industries, we'll take that subsidy as a tax, give an equivalent tax break to our industries, and level the playing field." After a while, you won't need the tariff, because everyone will be playing by the same rules, or will just pay the nasty tariff by choice.
@garynorthtruro "exactly what we might start producing on a scale to bring employment even half way back to previous levels"
You've missed the point. It's not about creating jobs. Jobs are a trailing indicator, a byproduct of an industrious nation. Companies don't look for ways to increase head count, they look for ways to increase profits and productivity, and then hire more employees when their formula works. Your mixed up sense of causality leads you to use the wrong metric for success.
@garynorthtruro "will it be toasters, tv, computer 'parts', autos with mostly American content. Millions await your decision. Where would factories be located?"
You aptly demonstrate the glaring failure of central planning. Markets are organic, the function of a thousand or a million different participants. What to make, where to make it, is hammered out in REAL time by REAL players, players with REAL money in the game. There is no "planner" - government need only keep a watch for miscreants.
@garynorthtruro "I agree, government provides a secure environment"
The government provides nothing. It cannot make wealth, it can only steal it. By our consent, we allow the government to exist. It is the rule of law, respect for, observance of, and enforcement of the law that provides a secure environment to engage in trade, and the trust in such a marketplace allows it to flourish.
And your factual reference concerning the present administration. Factual not interpretive.
Most of all i want your vision had Republicans won the election. How smoothly and swiftly might events have progressed. Where would we be now, following their message? Please include what, if any, plan or idea would apply.
Quite simple, actually. Let those that took risks fail. The banks enjoyed 10+ years in the run up of the housing boom, in 2008 they would have just given back a portion of their winnings. Let the industries that are failing either remake themselves, or disappear giving room for new players. We would have had about the same 10% unemployment, but it would have lasted perhaps 9 months or a year, because there would have been certainty.
Certainty that underperforming leads to failure, that prudence and performance leads to success, that a dictatorial government won't/can't by fiat choose winners and losers, change the rules, or interfere with business. Instead, everyone has stood around the last two years either lining up to petition congress for favors or standing in bread lines becoming more and more dependent on an unreliable overlord with each passing day.
@garynorthtruro "in 2008 they would have just given back a portion of their winnings"
But here's the problem, those that advised Bush to start the bailout were the very enemies of freedom. Hank Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, and Ben Bernanke, head of the Federal Reserve, together an all powerful bank lobby with no oversight, no accountability, but with the power to print US currency. In 1913, Wilson wrote our sad ending when he signed the FRA while the 16th Amendment was being ratified.
It's tempting to give Obama a pass because he just continued what Bush started, but rather than correct Bush's failed policies, he doubled down. Along with a spend-drunk congress, Obama nearly doubled our federal debt, to the point where our income taxes no longer even cover the interest. To cover up failed bond auctions, the Fed is now the major purchaser of our debt. Translation, Bush and Obama have SOLD the United States to a group of bankers, many of them foreign.
You mean over the last 24 years. America started closing her factories back in the 1980's. For example, the last American company to manufacture televisions, Motorola, sold it's factory to Panasonic in the 1980s, who shut down production by 1992. Of course, the Japanese no longer make televisions, turning that sector over to the Chinese and Koreans in the last 8 years. Americans no longer make anything, we even farm out our IT industry to foreigners.
@garynorthtruro "we stopped being competitive in manufacturing starting with off shore trends"
If you want to reverse the trend, tell government to stop regulating every facet of our lives, every detail of our industries. We can't drill for oil or dig for minerals, can't even let our cows fart or belch without some whiney environmental group rushing to shut down yet another entrepreneurial venture. It's gotten so bad the original founder of Green Peace is now complaining about the environazis.
@garynorthtruro "You would tell the public its all bad and not going to improve as a way of building public spirit toward the future"
Building public spirit isn't accomplished in a sustainable way by white washing the dark cancerous tumors in government and industry. The malignancy must be excised. If "trust" is the glue of our monetary system, then nothing but the truth is going to engender the trust necessary to fix it.
So far the present administration is doing all that is possible.
You do recall the indifference to off-shoring in previous admins.?
Have you not benefited from cheaper prices? Do you own anything made solely in this country? Why do we send ore from mines in this country to China for processing , as we have not the capacity to do so? We all share in this mess.
@garynorthtruro "So far the present administration is doing all that is possible..."
... to absolutely decimate the US Economy, by which destruction, the entire globe could easily be thrown back 200 years into political and economic chaos. Two more years of Obamanomics and as a nation we'll be begging for war on a global scale, seeking a strange saving event much like WWII was to FDR's failed deals. Not even Keynes could have imagined the destruction his ideas would create in the feeble hands.
@garynorthtruro "You do recall the indifference to off-shoring in previous admins"
I repeat, it's not the business of government (administrative or legislative) to create or save jobs. For every job they save in one place, they destroy two in another. All we can and should ask of a government are equitable laws, the enforcement thereof, and protecting our borders from those that would do us harm. If the US government restricted it's activities thus, we would prosper beyond imagination.
@garynorthtruro "Have you not benefited from cheaper prices? Do you own anything made solely in this country?"
Purchase to purchase, yes, the cheaper prices on certain items can be seen as a benefit. But, much like Buffet's 2000 tariff proposal, equalizing the players in the US market place I believe would rectify the trade imbalance. But asking compromised leaders to act on that let alone recognize it seems futile when foreign nations are allowed to lobby our Congress and White House.
A better question would be "when did we stop being competitive". I'd say the private sector never stopped, and because it always has been competitive, it never "started". As a nation, however, the more people that moved over to the public sector, the more dollars absorbed into the public sector via taxation, the more America moved from real industries to the industry of brokering financial instruments of fiat, the less competitive we've become.
@garynorthtruro "how statements from the top can affect said market"
Actually, you've got a good point. I don't trust much of what comes out of Obama's mouth, but I knew on 9 March, 2009 the DJIA would nearly double when he ignorantly (but prophetically) proclaimed it had hit the bottom. But then again, maybe that was just his teleprompter speaking:)
You answered your own question. It all starts at the top. Why its most important to elect a president that has the ability to think and reason. Previously, business had occupied the position and you actually got to see the result.
@garynorthtruro "Why its most important to elect a president that has the ability to think and reason."
As bad as presidents we've had in the past, from FDR to Nixon, Johnson and Carter, the ability to reason wasn't the problem. The ability to stick to sound principles has been the defect in both Administrative and Legislative leaders over the decades. The only one with the cajones to go against the Fed answered with three zig-zagging bullets through his skull. Not even Reagan took a stand.
@garynorthtruro "We did avoid the 'soup line' effect following our earlier economic collapse"
We did not. Do you realize how many millions stand in line to get food stamps (SNAPS)? We avoided the stigma, but we did not escape the reality. Do you realize how many people are not without a home, and significantly, how many homes are empty without inhabitants? These aren't signs of a healthy nation. Stop watching the MSM crap you've been spoon fed over the decades, they are prolific liars.
Before you get lost in the unemployment, lack of jobs routine, you must indicate what kind of jobs, millions of moderately skilled workers, might desire or be capable of.
What wage level satisfying both worker and market demands could make us competitive?
@garynorthtruro "Before you get lost in the unemployment, lack of jobs routine"
I agree with you, jobs or no jobs is not the function of government. It can't create jobs, and that should not be its focus. Equitable Laws, Enforcement of those Laws, limited regulations to ensure safety and security of the public, and defense of its borders, that's all we can expect from government or plan as a society. The rest is up to the individual players in the market, and that's how we remain competitive.
Good example. Is DJIA above 12,000 because of a healthy market, or because all of the money the Fed injected into the banks has no way to "trickle down" (BTW, if it trickled down any faster, we'd have hyper-inflation) and they have no where to put it (aren't going to lend it to the dead-beat citizenry) other than stocks, bonds and commodities. Of course bonds are now risky, so stock and commodity prices have risen. Surprised? I'm not!
@garynorthtruro "You make it sound as though the 'painful' part is just a mild inconvenience"
You mean "the millions of individuals [already] subject to the painful part" that wasn't avoided? You act as though the last two years haven't been anything but pain. Ironically, the worst is yet to come instead of being behind us. You don't need to watch GB, you don't need to have an apocalyptic vision, you don't need to be a Warren Buffet or Ben Bernanke, just get out your calculator and do the math.
@garynorthtruro "Have you thought this through in any detail?"
Let's see if I can explain fractional reserve banking and it's cyclical collapse in under 500 characters. As you said very succinctly, it's based wholly upon faith, a valuable commodity in fact. The Fed can only issue funds or play with interest rates. It nominal power to pull money from circulation... Sorry, there's no way to give you the details in less than a few thousand words. But yes, I have thought and studied this through.
@garynorthtruro "You have yet to describe the result of not providing support for the system"
The result in 2008 of not supporting the bankers would have been a slow and painful thawing of the credit market and bond freeze. Commercial paper would eventually get moving again as would consuming and spending, and more importantly, producing. It would probably have taken a good 9 months of working things out. Many prominent companies would have been wiped out, liquidated through the BK process.
@garynorthtruro "Until you can do so, all is speculation on your part"
We never have the luxury of any certainty of what would have happened instead (the fallacy of "jobs saved"), but what isn't speculation is that unemployment went up and instead of a 9 month cyclic recession, we're well into year three of the great great depression with no underlying problems actually fixed. Brace yourself for the second dip as gas hits $5-$6 this summer, when certain banks collapse under their own weight.
@garynorthtruro "just who encouraged this 'loaning' spree?"
Follow the money. Mortgage brokers, Realtors®, loan origination and servicing companies. That's where the profits moved. On the back end, CRA through groups like Acorn pushed for more "Red Line" lending, and GSEs Fannie and Freddie were quick to comply, dispensing generous bonuses for executives, and donations for Congressional sponsors.
The real value of money is the faith one has in it. It is folly to go back to gold as a standard. If your faith in the system is so weak as to require hunks of metal, that could be used for other purposes, just how crude is that?
@garynorthtruro "The real value of money is the faith one has in it"
Very astute! And how much faith is there knowing that every dollar is 1-to-3 diluted between 2009 and present? Gold is a poor standard, but if you think that bubble is inflated, run the numbers and you'll see Gold has gone up in price 1-to-1 with new money printed because the bankers themselves don't trust the money they print, so they're taking physical delivery of gold and putting the rest in equities, with no trickle-down.
@garynorthtruro "If your faith in the system is so weak as to require hunks of metal, that could be used for other purposes, just how crude is that?"
Crude? Strange choice of words, but maybe that is where it will take us. I believe other fiat currencies will fail before the $US, so there will probably be a surge in demand for $US in the short term, but in the long term, the faith has been breached and without painful and focused measures, such as exposing the Fed, gold remains attractive.
That is a fanciful accusation. I would imagine you could have handled with more aplomb. Perhaps have plenty of jobs by now.
Or might you have let the entire system go down. Broaden your view. There is a constant exchange of ideas as conditions change. You have considered same, no?
@garynorthtruro "Or might you have let the entire system go down."
It's going to go down anyway, so letting BofA, JPM, Goldman Sachs, AGI, Citi et al. all fail in 2008 is starting to look in hind sight much less painful than what lies ahead. Injecting $Ts into the bank-o-sphere, bailing out car companies, back end payments to foreign financial institutions to keep cronies and lobbyists solvent wasn't a very wise prescription in the long term. We haven't solved any of the underlying problems.
You cannot leverage what no one borrows. First the borrowing then the selling of such instruments in packages. Had a sufficient number not defaulted it could have been dealt with in a more orderly fashion
And you cannot borrow what another isn't lending. But with unlimited money supply with little or no checks, the servicing/originating middleman with no liability but plenty of incentive (the functional organ in "privatize profits while making debts public"), the banks with help from a congress anxious to engage in social engineering and you've got a very distorted market with buyers over-borrowing and over-paying.
Its naive to think otherwise. Be honest, those who borrowed started this. Recall it was not till the loans started tanking that things went down quick. Gee, who was defaulting on the loans? Just because things get crazy with lending, does not mean all of us should borrow. I don't buy the victim public. Ignorant yes.
@garynorthtruro "Recall it was not till the loans started tanking that things went down quick."
It's hard not to blame defaulted borrowers, especially RE flippers, but there were/are other contributing factors to the market, the largest force being a never ending money supply with no accountability. Simple Econ 101 foretells rising prices, but add to that corrupt ratings agencies, fraudulent appraisals, and unscrupulous loan originators/servicers, with the CRA, and it becomes a house of cards.
Faults!! We the people created the debt monster. The banks loaned the money to the people who, in vast numbers, over borrowed. Sure the banks did wrong but it could not have happened if we didn't accept the loans. What part of culpable to you not understand?
While I can't disagree that we the people will pay the price at the end of the day, it's naive to suggest that we consented to the bankruptcy of the nation with any certain knowledge of the countless back room meetings or sufficient transparency of the Fed, the banks, or even our own rob-peter-to-pay-paul social programs. In a fashion and magnitude of which Charles Ponzi could only dream, we were sold promises never intended to be kept.
@garynorthtruro "The banks loaned the money to the people who, in vast numbers, over borrowed. Sure the banks did wrong but it could not have happened if we didn't accept the loans."
You know not of what you speak. The money lent to home buyers was not the banks' to lend. They were and are leveraged 8:2 lending against deposits, but took those securitized loans and leveraged them again. But it wasn't even their money lent in the first place. That's why the government now owns 90% of mortgages.
@garynorthtruro "What part of culpable to you not understand?"
Wake up, when Ben Bernanke testifies in front of congress, it's just a dog and pony show. They don't meet in the basement of the Fed worrying about the American people, the economy, or our "dreams", they have a singular goal of preserving the wealth of the member banks. i.e. there's not "We the People" at the Federal Reserve... it's "We the Banks" and a corrupt, spineless Congress and WH. Take a look at the Fed Rate since the 1990s.
Back to your original thesis. If we allow ourselves to be lured by entitlement promises that are mathematically incoherent and doomed to eventual failure, if we submit ourselves to a fractional reserve banking system which rather than backed by anything of value is only backed by the fiat power of the government, then I guess we created or at least allowed the monster to be created and thus we are culpable to the extent we are gullible.
@garynorthtruro "all of us were part of this failed economy"
If it helps you sleep at night, you can blame the tooth fairy for the failure of the economy but that is no gateway to either fixing it or moving forward. What is quite obvious (FHA,CRA,GSEs & JPM,GoldmanSachs) is that banks have been colluding with government in the boudoirs of Congress and the WH for a century longer than should have been allowed. The result an ever-expanding monetary supply and overall breach of faith and credit.
I desire no controversy. You can make argument by accusation though it's effect is weak. You may have some problem that makes
you desire to challenge, perhaps to validate you existence. I don't know. See? i'm already getting to know you. For myself , I'm just and old retired person who knows you have a ways to go yet. Thats ok. I enjoy the dialog just the same.
@garynorthtruro "You can make argument by accusation though it's effect is weak."
Scrolling back through the thread, it would appear that other than GB leveling accusations against a spend-drunk congress 2 years ago as them embarked on $3.2T in spending, you are indeed the party making argument through accusations:
"Complain like hell but not one single SOLUTION. Is he really concerned with the country? I don't think he gives a damn."
Not really. I simply wondered what Glen's motive is for actions. I'm not referring to money, politics, world affairs. You see, my interests are not in what is said, rather what is the motive for saying it. For therein is the essence of all behaviors. I even have my eye out for you. So keep talking and you will, inevitably, reveal your inner motives. Cause you know how words can deceive.
@garynorthtruro "I like the fact you suddenly agree with me"
I have not changed my views recently, so anything sudden must be attributed to you "suddenly" realizing something that was already there. I'm not sure where you and I agree, nor where we disagree because we haven't discussed any substantive issues to date. Was there something to which you were referring, specifically? That our government is too big, it spends too much, it's too opaque, it's too corrupt? Socialist programs fail?
@garynorthtruro "You are sadly remiss if you fail to understand motive"
I think I clearly stated the reason why Glenn Beck does his show, it's his 8-5 job and as the actual owner of his syndicated programs, he's got a vested interest, similar to the vested interest every person has in their message, politician or broadcaster, writer, poet, etc. That is a given and actually of very little interest compared to whether there is some truth and value in his message.
@garynorthtruro "expand on what the man's real motive is for his actions"
His motives? Anyone's guess, he's running a business, commentary is his 8-5 job, so perhaps for money. Do I care? Did Obama, Bush, Reagan, or Clinton, Pelosi, Bhoener, Newt, Reid, run for office other than to garner power and influence the country or world to their liking? Do I need to know their motives to recognize the truth or error in their ways? Notice I just answered your question with more questions?
@garynorthtruro "mostly the easily influenced being drawn into his empty rhetoric"
But if you ask about the message, let me simply quote Green Day,
"Shut up or be a victim of authority" or more aptly, "question everything or be ruled by authority".
It's ironic that you seem to think that the easily influenced aren't the ones that accept the bylines of everyday Main Stream Media, but you think Beck who challenges the status quo panders to the easily led.
Glen is never going to make the slightest bit of difference to anything , at anytime, anywhere for any reason. The easily swayed will always be his crowd. His most important contribution is material for colbert and stewart. There he shines.
@garynorthtruro "Glen is never going to make the slightest bit of difference to anything"
Though he apparently has you annoyed enough for whatever reason. But, I would actually agree with you, that Glenn isn't what's important here. What is important is that the US and World banking systems are insolvent and their game has played out against the backdrop of a morally bankrupt political system. What will make a difference is not Colbert and Stewart, but American's educating themselves.
glen was a fool then and continues to be the Right's buffoon. Problem with individuals like glen is they tend to be one trick pony's. Complain like hell but not
one single SOLUTION. Is he really concerned with the country? I don't think he
"Does the president think we're this stupid?" -Says the guy wearing purple checkered shirt and tie. Purple, the color of tinkie winky who wears a purse, and purses are for women. glenn beck is a cross dresser! omg the humanity!
"To instigate the populace with rage beyond the provocation, is to suspend public happiness, if not to destroy it. He is no lover of his country, that unnecessarily disturbs its peace. Few errors and few faults of government, can justify an appeal to the rabble; who ought not to judge of what they cannot understand, and whose opinions are not propagated by reason, but caught by contagion."
@lopside0 "He is no lover of his country, that unnecessarily disturbs its peace."
Glenn's as crazy and irreverent as they come, but he employs a large research team, probably larger than any talking head in the business, and they aren't crazy. Sure, he puts a clown face on the truth, but if you took him at his word over the last 5 years, you'd have have seen what's coming. So, is the true patriot someone who, in fear of disturbing public happiness, sits silently on the truth?
@seismedia Beck's research team needs to get fired because they seem to drop the ball EVERY TIME. Seriously, do what I do - DO SOME FACT CHECKING YOURSELF! Try it with Beck for a little while and see what the results are. Beck's "truth" is laughable, but what does it matter? He made HIS money.
@seismedia Well...I find it laughable that 90% of what Glenn Beck says can be debunked with about 5 minutes of simple research yet some people believe what he says. Don't believe me? Try it! I find it laughable that idiots then fall all over themselves to give him money. I'm sure he finds it funny too. He's paid to troll and he's laughing all the way to the bank. Go ahead and trust his "research team" if you want.
@pureevilfnord "I find it laughable that 90% of what Glenn Beck says can be debunked with about 5 minutes of simple research"
You're on. I'll post any five minute video you make and see if you can get to 90% of his statements debunked. I don't believe you, but this is a great opportunity for you to show me and the great Glenn Beck up at the same time. Have at it. Can you have something to me by tomorrow so it's there for the weekend crowd?
Huh!? You boldly claim you can debunk 90% of GBs statements, then ask ME to give you the material to debunk?! Are you a) lame, b) a wimp, c) an idiot, d) a troll, or e) just plain lazy. Do you want me to hold your hand?
Oh, just a second, your mom's calling. She wants you to put down your keyboard and bring your pajamas and dirty socks upstairs. There's milk and cookies waiting for you!
Sure, dude. YOU want ME to look it up for you. You wouldn't EVER check Glenn's facts yourself. I could give a FLYING FUCK if "seismedia" believes what I say. There are literally THOUSANDS of articles online that will show you that, yet you want me to PRODUCE A VIDEO to prove it to you. On top of that, you want a video that debunks 90% of what Glenn says. HOW DO I DO THAT IN A 5 MINUTE VIDEO?
@pureevilfnord "Sure, dude. YOU want ME to look it up for you."
Your foul mouth writes checks your brain can't cash. Gladly you removed your last comment after no doubt its absurdity sunk in. I don't have time for someone who makes bold claims "90% of what Glenn Beck says can be debunked with about 5 minutes of simple research" and then given the opportunity thinks a string of obscenities is an adequate proxy for substantive argument. I'll leave your comment as a testament, but you're banned.
@seismedia So, according to Beck, I guess I should think the president hates White people, the world is going to end, and I should be selling all my gold to his affiliate company.
@BonsaiBlog "So, according to Beck, I guess I should think the president hates White people, the world is going to end, and I should be selling all my gold to his affiliate company."
Wow, you are really daft or just looking to be disagreeable. 1. Beck said Obama is a racist, not that he "hates white people" (difference is subtle, but evident), 2. the world will end some day, Beck doesn't say when nor claim to know, 3. He has advocated BUYING gold, which from 2008 at $600/oz was good advice.
@VideoMaster987 "that's just a #$%&ed up country and a brave and honest man revealing the facts"
Agree on your second point, but deny your explicative. Glenn is brave, mostly honest, sticks his foot in his mouth on occasion, and is a dead man walking - he's the first American listed as an enemy of the state on the White House web page. Scary times ahead if we don't get our act together.
@papillonaquatique "Is he really listed as an enemy of the state on the White House webpage? Where is the link?"
I've seen it with my own eyes, some section about "the truth" where they listed Beck by name. It went up when Obama was still trying to pass healthscare. I get nauseated when I read the propaganda, so I'm not too excited about posting the link (which you can't on YouTube anyway. For laughs, however, they have a new comedy section called "Fiscal Responsibility". LOL!
Many things need reform in congress: filibuster, pork barreling, etc. Glenn needs to realize that congress checks the president, not the president checking congress. Now Glenn needs to realize that saying that his job is pretty much killing people and progress with this acting. He's a good actor, however he needs to go back to radio or start a non news show, because this is getting ridiculous, people actually beleive this guy is very smart and correct about many things.. its all his writers....
@SirOttoVBismark "Glenn needs to realize that congress checks the president, not the president checking congress"
Wrong, and wrong. Power, and more importantly, the raw power of a majority needs to be held in check. Whether a large corporation, or a large corpus of useless idiots like congress. And both the legislative and executive need to hold the feet of a liberal judiciary to the fire. Contrary to the fallacy that America's greatness comes from our government, it's the limit thereof.
@SirOttoVBismark "his job is pretty much killing people and progress with this acting"
Killing people, huh? Would you please elaborate?
Killing progress? If it's this last two bountiful years of progress that Glenn and others have kept at bay, I wish there were more like him. To loosely quote Obama/Biden, "Without the stimulus, unemployment may go above 8%". Two years into O's job training, UI claimants hold steady at high 9's, real unemployment is breaking 20%, so please, no more "progress".
@seismedia thin skinned, nothing. This man is racist, grossly uninformed, and grossly misinforming people on national television. Dissent is good, but this is not dissent; it is the beginnings of hysteria.
@BloodeatingDespot "This man is racist, grossly uninformed, and grossly misinforming people on national television."
Wow, you speak with such conviction! So thank you for your "unbiased" characterization, could you further enlighten with some actual fact? What misinformation has he passed along, explain wherein he is demonstrably a racist. I won't argue that he doesn't come across as a goof at times, because he admits to being a "schlub", but these other allegations, you can back them up, no?
@seismedia shut the fuck up with your condescending attitude. I never claimed to be unbiased, did I? How about Byron Williams? How about Beck's making an intentional mockery of the Martin Luther King "Dream" speech on its anniversary? What was the focus of his Tea Party nonsense? Oh yeah, kicking out all those dirty Mexicans. His unbridled and undereducated sophistry on FOX "news" has led to VIOLENCE against progressives, and it is getting worse.
@BloodeatingDespot "making an intentional mockery of the Martin Luther King Dream speech on its anniversary?"
Mockery?! With King's Niece by his side, Beck paid tribute to King's peaceful movement. Did you actually listen to what he said, or did you cherry pick snipes of what his enemies had to say?
Dirty Mexicans? Dirty!? On top of being a biased hack, you also seem to be a racist, but I guess in your foul mouthed progressive world, the two go hand in hand, but thanks for confirming that.
You know a helluva lot about that, don't you Glenn? For a guy who's more concerned about "right and wrong" then "right and left", you do spend an awful lotta time kissing the right's ass while riding the left's! You lie at least once every time you open your mouth but berate others for lying!
Hey all you fucking idiot democrats and liberals out there go ahead and dislike this comment and say glenn is an idiot he's way smarter than any of you so you don't like the truth too bad liberals are ruining this country and a lot of men think so too how's Obama doing oh yeah HE FUCKING SUCKS 25% approval ratings haha what a joke
JoePete420 1 month ago
@JoePete420 You are fargin ice hole, but quite the grammarian.
BorisKashenko 1 month ago
Republicans were the ones that built the bridge to nowhere!!!!! only 5 % is discretionary spending! 60 percent is defense. 40 percent medicare/medicaid and social security. 5 percent operating budget. HES LYING!!!!!! the wars were unpaid for from the start! and Bush made a tax cut!!! There was a surplus when Clinton left office. A SURPLUS!!!!
rex701 3 months ago
What a maroon. He reminds me of that fat kid that got sucked into the chocolate river in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
BTCforlife 6 months ago
Lol Glenn Beck a thinker... good one.
sickness324 6 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "Uh oh! Potty Mouth!"
You're pathetic. Ba-bye!
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "Do I have to wipe your..."
No, but you should probably sanitize your mouth. I warned you my kids might read these forums. If you can't comment on substance, without a potty mouth, then go away.
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "I gave you a source"
And I checked your source, much earlier in fact, which is why I characterized it as I did. It's tedious and extremely biased. Yes, it's got a portion of interesting revelations, but also its share of statistical spin, mostly hair splitting. The issues it highlights for GB refer primarily to his from-the-hip commentary on his radio program (e.g. whether Michele Obama has 46 or 22 assistants of which some are tasked with doing her shopping).
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "Oh look, three responses to my one"
And what would be the politically correct number of responses? How about I just don't respond, because you've successfully evaded the original request, which would be "what exactly is it" GB is doing to "exploiting ignorance and mongering fear". So, rather than flap your gums, would you like to deal with some substance. Oh, and keep your language clean, my kids read these posts.
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "your response to my one post was three posts criticizing Obama"
So, vigorous debate must avoid timely, relevant examples? I could use Jimmy Carter or Richard Nixon, but you probably don't remember them for the bumbling and destructive baboons that they were, so I chose someone current. If you prefer, I could use Trofim Lysenko as an example of gullible buy-in, but do you even know who he is? As for Dunning-Kruger, for the record, I never referred to you as unskilled, just naive.
seismedia 10 months ago
@seismedia "destructive baboons that they were"
Ooops, meant "buffoons" but my spell checker thought differently... I guess "baboons" would work for two of the worst presidencies of the last century except for FDR and Wilson.
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "if you don't see how this clown is over-the-top"
Well, let's see, to quote myself, "this guy, fool or genius or loud-mouthed rodeo clown that he is". I see him for what he is, nothing more, nothing less. He has moments of idiocy, and moments of brilliance, perhaps like EVERY OTHER being on this planet. Maybe that's your problem, you try to elevate people beyond their natural stature and are perpetually disappointed. It must have been a daily struggle for you when KO was still on.
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "I gave you a source of many of his lies"
Trust me on this, Glenn Beck isn't using Politifact's website as a source for his material - everyone knows Politifact is just a liberal hack job, which begs the question of why, for even a moment, you would think GB or any conservative would rely on it as a source.
But to address YOU, giving me a website consisting of a thousand stories (probably mostly untrue, if not egregiously biased) isn't giving me any issue of substance.
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "Besides rhetoric, do you have any actual substantive example"
I gave that last rant as an example of how you can be both rhetorical (I don't expect you'll be able to reply), and substantive (I gave real examples of how Obama misled voters) at the same time. Watch and learn young grasshopper.
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "I'm bothered by people being misled (especially when these people vote)?"
Just a side note, the last Presidential Election must have really perturbed you then, eh!
All those tingly legged Obamites, expecting the oceans to recede, waiting with outstretched hands for their Obama-bucks! Hoping beyond hope that Obama's stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, that Obamacare would "Bend the Cost Curve", that Cash for Clunkers wouldn't be an absolute and utter waste of our money.
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads
1) "Is it so wrong that I'm bothered?" It's not a matter of right or wrong, but maybe healthy or unhealthy. Getting defensive because of an inquiry, that's definitely unhealthy.
2) "Besides rhetoric?" At this point, you haven't stretched much beyond rhetoric. (i.e. questions or statements made with no intent on listening to any response - mostly accusative, but without any substantive evidence backing the statements)
You assert GB's "flat-out" and "over-the-top", examples?
seismedia 10 months ago
@ASkyofHeads "I really wish people wouldn't let themselves be duped"
Two questions for you, 1) what do you care what other's listen to, 2) what exactly is it that this guy, fool or genius or loud-mouthed rodeo clown that he is, "duped" people with? Besides rhetoric, do you have any actual substantive example? Sorry, that was three questions, but the forum is yours.
seismedia 10 months ago
This guy is a complete nut. His time is up.
His show only appealed to rascist, angry, white people who lost their job because ALL of our politicians had a hand in sending their jobs overseas.
They all preach no socialism and no government, but the first thing they do when they lose their job is apply for unemployment and foodstamps.
middle america is the reason why we are in this crap... a bunch of dumb right wing idiots
jaml85 10 months ago
@jaml85 "His show only appealed to rascist, angry, white people who lost their job"
Of course, his audience must be white, and must also be racist and angry. It goes without saying, right? So what was the job all the angry, racist, white people lost?
BTW, you're right, Middle America is exactly the reason why we are in this Great Great* Economic Depression ("this crap" per ti), because when they had a chance to raise their voices against the indulgences of Clinton, Bush, et al, they failed to.
seismedia 10 months ago
Sorry Beck, but you have proven your utter incompetence far too many times for me to even attempt to take anything that comes out of your mouth seriously. You are severely uneducated, and you come off as a raving idiot.
emperor0013 10 months ago
@emperor0013 "you have proven your utter incompetence far too many times for me to even attempt to take anything that comes out of your mouth seriously"
I'm not signing up as a GB apologist, but curiously amid your raving, you don't actually mention anything GB has actually said typifying alleged incompetence. Perhaps you can elaborate?
seismedia 10 months ago
@seismedia "Perhaps you can elaborate?"
I honestly am shocked to have read this. There are far too many instances to list, I wouldn't know where to begin. At this point it is a well known fact. Not even Fox, statistically the worst news source, want him anymore. Use google, buddy. There is no shortage of lists of blunders this moron has made, and I don't have the time to list it here.
emperor0013 10 months ago
@emperor0013 "far too many instances to list, I wouldn't know where to begin"
Too many, huh? If there are many, there should be at least one, so why don't you start there, with ONE. Pick the biggest, most obtuse, glaring example of Beck's "raving, uneducated, incompetence".
BTW, "Use Google" translates as "too Lazy to actually report on anything substantive". You made the allegation, so bone up and defend it; if you had time to make a comment, make an empty reply, then you've got plenty.
seismedia 10 months ago
@seismedia
1.
He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible. He said he 'checked'.
He either did not check or checked up his arsegraped butt because he's lying. John Qunicy Adams used a law book. Franklin Pierce didn't even swear. He affirmed. Teddy Roosevelt used no Bible. Several Presidents kissed a Bible but did not swear on one.
emperor0013 10 months ago
@emperor0013 "He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible."
And Obama ensured us he would "bend the cost curve" with Obamacare and by the end of his presidency cut the deficit by $2T. I guess if he meant to bend the cost curve "upwards", that would be true, but with the bills Obama has signed, the deficit has soared. Have you made effort to point out Obama's "raving incompetence"?
But, splitting hairs over "swearing on" or "kissing" a bible, that's relevant?
seismedia 10 months ago
@seismedia 2,
Glenn Beck lied when he said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million.
The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.
emperor0013 10 months ago
@emperor0013 "The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding."
Wow, are those doors made out of Gold or something?! Anything more than a $10-20,000 is a bit high, don't you think? You're as laughable as the Republigoons and Spendocrats arguing over $40-$60B of budget cuts when we've got a $1T deficit on a budget that was submitted OUTSIDE of the fiscal year to which it applies while discussing "raising the Debt Limit"!? Getting the picture here, junior!?
seismedia 10 months ago
@seismedia 3.
Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
emperor0013 10 months ago
@emperor0013 "forcing abortions and sterilants"
Sounds scary!
"Holdren co-authored the textbook Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment; they discussed the possible role of a wide variety of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning to enforced population controls, including forced sterilization for women after they gave birth to a designated number of children" Goldberg, Michelle. "Holdren's Controversial Population Control Past", The American Prospect, 2009
seismedia 10 months ago
@emperor0013
In his own words, "Compulsory control of family size is an unpalatable idea, but the alternatives may be much more horrifying... they may begin demanding such control. A far better choice, in our view, is to expand the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences, while redoubling efforts to ensure that the means of birth control, including abortion and sterilization, are accessible to every human being on Earth within the shortest possible time." Tomato/Tomatoe
seismedia 10 months ago
@seismedia 4.
Glenn Beck lied when he said that when users used the government's cash for clunker site they had to agree that their computers would become government property.
emperor0013 10 months ago
@emperor0013 "when users used the government's cash for clunker site they had to agree that their computers would become government property"
Well, that just sounds silly. Either GB is off his rocker, was being sarcastic, or you've managed to take him out of context. To verify it isn't the latter, could you provide the actual quote or specify when/where he said such a thing? Again, chump change compared to the waste the program actually generated, but when there's a beam in your eye...
seismedia 10 months ago
@seismedia Do I need to continue?
emperor0013 10 months ago
@emperor0013 "Do I need to continue?"
I don't know if you really even got off to a start...
seismedia 10 months ago
@missjestrum "i thought smoking meth made you lose weight?"
You find you're gaining weight instead? Strange...
seismedia 10 months ago
So your content with letting major institutions fall with no regard for collateral damage brought on the average citizen? I guess you have a very different view of humanity.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "letting major institutions fall with no regard for collateral damage brought on the average citizen"
You've just presented another false choice. Do you seriously claim there was no collateral damage when the banks were bailed out?! It's hard to imagine when we'll ever stop paying for that bailout. All equitable law was suspended when the first of the bailouts began. How do you ever unwind something like that... and the longer you wait, the more tangled it gets.
seismedia 11 months ago
So what is your problem with the present admin.? It was going to be one or the other. What sort of 'regime' did you have in mind?
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "So what is your problem with the present admin"
Besides Obama being an absolute amateur with no experience and all ego, besides filling his cabinet with socialist academics with even less real world experience (as if that was even possible), the biggest problem with this administration has been a spend-drunk congress more anxious to waste our money than the Spender-in-Chief. Frankly, I don't care who's in the White House as long as he has no friends in Congress.
seismedia 11 months ago
Your going loaded diaper now. Just a few hints at the processes involved to achieve these goals .
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
good. you agree we have been at it for some time.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "we have been at it for some time"
No, "WE" have not been at anything, except that "WE" have been electing generations of leaders who have whooed "US" with promises they are unable to keep, backed by special interests to whom they really answer. You seem to be lulled into the false choice of GOP or DEM, when the real answer is to make sure whenever we have a Republican President, we have a Democratic Congress and visa versa. The greatness of our politic is embattled interests.
seismedia 11 months ago
I agree and your method would be .
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
So competition means tariff to you as a solution. You still have not
mentioned exactly what we might start producing on a scale to bring employment even half way back to previous levels. Abstraction kind of skips over the details and time scales. So please, will it be toasters, tv, computer 'parts', autos with mostly American content. Millions await your decision. Where would factories be located? The list is long.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "competition means tariff to you as a solution"
No, if you read Buffet's treatise on the matter, the tariff is an offset for the fiat actions of OTHER governments. It basically says, "if you are going to subsidize your industries, we'll take that subsidy as a tax, give an equivalent tax break to our industries, and level the playing field." After a while, you won't need the tariff, because everyone will be playing by the same rules, or will just pay the nasty tariff by choice.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "exactly what we might start producing on a scale to bring employment even half way back to previous levels"
You've missed the point. It's not about creating jobs. Jobs are a trailing indicator, a byproduct of an industrious nation. Companies don't look for ways to increase head count, they look for ways to increase profits and productivity, and then hire more employees when their formula works. Your mixed up sense of causality leads you to use the wrong metric for success.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "will it be toasters, tv, computer 'parts', autos with mostly American content. Millions await your decision. Where would factories be located?"
You aptly demonstrate the glaring failure of central planning. Markets are organic, the function of a thousand or a million different participants. What to make, where to make it, is hammered out in REAL time by REAL players, players with REAL money in the game. There is no "planner" - government need only keep a watch for miscreants.
seismedia 11 months ago
I agree, government provides a secure environment which allows the self-motivated to create and market themselves and their ideas.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "I agree, government provides a secure environment"
The government provides nothing. It cannot make wealth, it can only steal it. By our consent, we allow the government to exist. It is the rule of law, respect for, observance of, and enforcement of the law that provides a secure environment to engage in trade, and the trust in such a marketplace allows it to flourish.
seismedia 11 months ago
And your factual reference concerning the present administration. Factual not interpretive.
Most of all i want your vision had Republicans won the election. How smoothly and swiftly might events have progressed. Where would we be now, following their message? Please include what, if any, plan or idea would apply.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "had Republicans won the election"
Why do you think the Republicans would have done any better? John McCain? Are you kidding me!?
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "what, if any, plan or idea would apply"
Quite simple, actually. Let those that took risks fail. The banks enjoyed 10+ years in the run up of the housing boom, in 2008 they would have just given back a portion of their winnings. Let the industries that are failing either remake themselves, or disappear giving room for new players. We would have had about the same 10% unemployment, but it would have lasted perhaps 9 months or a year, because there would have been certainty.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro (cont.)
Certainty that underperforming leads to failure, that prudence and performance leads to success, that a dictatorial government won't/can't by fiat choose winners and losers, change the rules, or interfere with business. Instead, everyone has stood around the last two years either lining up to petition congress for favors or standing in bread lines becoming more and more dependent on an unreliable overlord with each passing day.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "in 2008 they would have just given back a portion of their winnings"
But here's the problem, those that advised Bush to start the bailout were the very enemies of freedom. Hank Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, and Ben Bernanke, head of the Federal Reserve, together an all powerful bank lobby with no oversight, no accountability, but with the power to print US currency. In 1913, Wilson wrote our sad ending when he signed the FRA while the 16th Amendment was being ratified.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro (cont)
It's tempting to give Obama a pass because he just continued what Bush started, but rather than correct Bush's failed policies, he doubled down. Along with a spend-drunk congress, Obama nearly doubled our federal debt, to the point where our income taxes no longer even cover the interest. To cover up failed bond auctions, the Fed is now the major purchaser of our debt. Translation, Bush and Obama have SOLD the United States to a group of bankers, many of them foreign.
seismedia 11 months ago
Attitude.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
Context! Over that last 4yrs. In fact we stopped being competitive in manufacturing starting with off shore trends. We do produce but not
to a scale allowing full employment for the foreseeable future.
I'm still not clear on what sort of industry Americans would agree
to perform at a competitive wage and benefit level.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Over that last 4yrs"
You mean over the last 24 years. America started closing her factories back in the 1980's. For example, the last American company to manufacture televisions, Motorola, sold it's factory to Panasonic in the 1980s, who shut down production by 1992. Of course, the Japanese no longer make televisions, turning that sector over to the Chinese and Koreans in the last 8 years. Americans no longer make anything, we even farm out our IT industry to foreigners.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "we stopped being competitive in manufacturing starting with off shore trends"
If you want to reverse the trend, tell government to stop regulating every facet of our lives, every detail of our industries. We can't drill for oil or dig for minerals, can't even let our cows fart or belch without some whiney environmental group rushing to shut down yet another entrepreneurial venture. It's gotten so bad the original founder of Green Peace is now complaining about the environazis.
seismedia 11 months ago
I see! You would tell the public its all bad and not going to improve as a way of building public spirit toward the future. That is tough love.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "You would tell the public its all bad and not going to improve as a way of building public spirit toward the future"
Building public spirit isn't accomplished in a sustainable way by white washing the dark cancerous tumors in government and industry. The malignancy must be excised. If "trust" is the glue of our monetary system, then nothing but the truth is going to engender the trust necessary to fix it.
seismedia 11 months ago
So far the present administration is doing all that is possible.
You do recall the indifference to off-shoring in previous admins.?
Have you not benefited from cheaper prices? Do you own anything made solely in this country? Why do we send ore from mines in this country to China for processing , as we have not the capacity to do so? We all share in this mess.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "So far the present administration is doing all that is possible..."
... to absolutely decimate the US Economy, by which destruction, the entire globe could easily be thrown back 200 years into political and economic chaos. Two more years of Obamanomics and as a nation we'll be begging for war on a global scale, seeking a strange saving event much like WWII was to FDR's failed deals. Not even Keynes could have imagined the destruction his ideas would create in the feeble hands.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "You do recall the indifference to off-shoring in previous admins"
I repeat, it's not the business of government (administrative or legislative) to create or save jobs. For every job they save in one place, they destroy two in another. All we can and should ask of a government are equitable laws, the enforcement thereof, and protecting our borders from those that would do us harm. If the US government restricted it's activities thus, we would prosper beyond imagination.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Have you not benefited from cheaper prices? Do you own anything made solely in this country?"
Purchase to purchase, yes, the cheaper prices on certain items can be seen as a benefit. But, much like Buffet's 2000 tariff proposal, equalizing the players in the US market place I believe would rectify the trade imbalance. But asking compromised leaders to act on that let alone recognize it seems futile when foreign nations are allowed to lobby our Congress and White House.
seismedia 11 months ago
You must study the everyday lives of those caught in the first debacle. You have, apparently, no understanding of what human
suffering for extended periods was like.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "You have, apparently, no understanding of what human suffering for extended periods was like."
I don't think you are either knowledgeable nor qualified to make that assumption. Neither do I understand the relevance. Do you have a point?
seismedia 11 months ago
When did we get competitive?
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "When did we get competitive?"
A better question would be "when did we stop being competitive". I'd say the private sector never stopped, and because it always has been competitive, it never "started". As a nation, however, the more people that moved over to the public sector, the more dollars absorbed into the public sector via taxation, the more America moved from real industries to the industry of brokering financial instruments of fiat, the less competitive we've become.
seismedia 11 months ago
Moot. I was indicating how statements from the top can affect said market.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "how statements from the top can affect said market"
Actually, you've got a good point. I don't trust much of what comes out of Obama's mouth, but I knew on 9 March, 2009 the DJIA would nearly double when he ignorantly (but prophetically) proclaimed it had hit the bottom. But then again, maybe that was just his teleprompter speaking:)
seismedia 11 months ago
You answered your own question. It all starts at the top. Why its most important to elect a president that has the ability to think and reason. Previously, business had occupied the position and you actually got to see the result.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Why its most important to elect a president that has the ability to think and reason."
As bad as presidents we've had in the past, from FDR to Nixon, Johnson and Carter, the ability to reason wasn't the problem. The ability to stick to sound principles has been the defect in both Administrative and Legislative leaders over the decades. The only one with the cajones to go against the Fed answered with three zig-zagging bullets through his skull. Not even Reagan took a stand.
seismedia 11 months ago
We did avoid the 'soup line' effect following our earlier economic collapse. We have social safety nets absent previously.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "We did avoid the 'soup line' effect following our earlier economic collapse"
We did not. Do you realize how many millions stand in line to get food stamps (SNAPS)? We avoided the stigma, but we did not escape the reality. Do you realize how many people are not without a home, and significantly, how many homes are empty without inhabitants? These aren't signs of a healthy nation. Stop watching the MSM crap you've been spoon fed over the decades, they are prolific liars.
seismedia 11 months ago
Before you get lost in the unemployment, lack of jobs routine, you must indicate what kind of jobs, millions of moderately skilled workers, might desire or be capable of.
What wage level satisfying both worker and market demands could make us competitive?
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Before you get lost in the unemployment, lack of jobs routine"
I agree with you, jobs or no jobs is not the function of government. It can't create jobs, and that should not be its focus. Equitable Laws, Enforcement of those Laws, limited regulations to ensure safety and security of the public, and defense of its borders, that's all we can expect from government or plan as a society. The rest is up to the individual players in the market, and that's how we remain competitive.
seismedia 11 months ago
In terms of encouraging economic investment , business follows the actions and attitudes of government. Stock market for example.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Stock market for example"
Good example. Is DJIA above 12,000 because of a healthy market, or because all of the money the Fed injected into the banks has no way to "trickle down" (BTW, if it trickled down any faster, we'd have hyper-inflation) and they have no where to put it (aren't going to lend it to the dead-beat citizenry) other than stocks, bonds and commodities. Of course bonds are now risky, so stock and commodity prices have risen. Surprised? I'm not!
seismedia 11 months ago
You make it sound as though the 'painful' part is just a mild inconvenience. You leave out the millions of individuals also
subject to the painful part. Broader vision required. Have you
thought this through in any detail?
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "You make it sound as though the 'painful' part is just a mild inconvenience"
You mean "the millions of individuals [already] subject to the painful part" that wasn't avoided? You act as though the last two years haven't been anything but pain. Ironically, the worst is yet to come instead of being behind us. You don't need to watch GB, you don't need to have an apocalyptic vision, you don't need to be a Warren Buffet or Ben Bernanke, just get out your calculator and do the math.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Have you thought this through in any detail?"
Let's see if I can explain fractional reserve banking and it's cyclical collapse in under 500 characters. As you said very succinctly, it's based wholly upon faith, a valuable commodity in fact. The Fed can only issue funds or play with interest rates. It nominal power to pull money from circulation... Sorry, there's no way to give you the details in less than a few thousand words. But yes, I have thought and studied this through.
seismedia 11 months ago
You have yet to describe the result of not providing support for the system. Until you can do so, all is speculation on your part.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "You have yet to describe the result of not providing support for the system"
The result in 2008 of not supporting the bankers would have been a slow and painful thawing of the credit market and bond freeze. Commercial paper would eventually get moving again as would consuming and spending, and more importantly, producing. It would probably have taken a good 9 months of working things out. Many prominent companies would have been wiped out, liquidated through the BK process.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Until you can do so, all is speculation on your part"
We never have the luxury of any certainty of what would have happened instead (the fallacy of "jobs saved"), but what isn't speculation is that unemployment went up and instead of a 9 month cyclic recession, we're well into year three of the great great depression with no underlying problems actually fixed. Brace yourself for the second dip as gas hits $5-$6 this summer, when certain banks collapse under their own weight.
seismedia 11 months ago
Are you certain is was the Congress that supported this? I seem to recall the 'incentive' started at the top so to speak, rather than
amongst the 'troops'.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Are you certain is was the Congress that supported this?"
After watching several hours of C-SPAN clips, unequivocally, yes.
"I seem to recall the 'incentive' started at the top"
To whom are you referring?
seismedia 11 months ago
So tell me, just who encouraged this 'loaning' spree? hmmmmmm?
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "just who encouraged this 'loaning' spree?"
Follow the money. Mortgage brokers, Realtors®, loan origination and servicing companies. That's where the profits moved. On the back end, CRA through groups like Acorn pushed for more "Red Line" lending, and GSEs Fannie and Freddie were quick to comply, dispensing generous bonuses for executives, and donations for Congressional sponsors.
seismedia 11 months ago
The real value of money is the faith one has in it. It is folly to go back to gold as a standard. If your faith in the system is so weak as to require hunks of metal, that could be used for other purposes, just how crude is that?
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "The real value of money is the faith one has in it"
Very astute! And how much faith is there knowing that every dollar is 1-to-3 diluted between 2009 and present? Gold is a poor standard, but if you think that bubble is inflated, run the numbers and you'll see Gold has gone up in price 1-to-1 with new money printed because the bankers themselves don't trust the money they print, so they're taking physical delivery of gold and putting the rest in equities, with no trickle-down.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "If your faith in the system is so weak as to require hunks of metal, that could be used for other purposes, just how crude is that?"
Crude? Strange choice of words, but maybe that is where it will take us. I believe other fiat currencies will fail before the $US, so there will probably be a surge in demand for $US in the short term, but in the long term, the faith has been breached and without painful and focused measures, such as exposing the Fed, gold remains attractive.
seismedia 11 months ago
That is a fanciful accusation. I would imagine you could have handled with more aplomb. Perhaps have plenty of jobs by now.
Or might you have let the entire system go down. Broaden your view. There is a constant exchange of ideas as conditions change. You have considered same, no?
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Or might you have let the entire system go down."
It's going to go down anyway, so letting BofA, JPM, Goldman Sachs, AGI, Citi et al. all fail in 2008 is starting to look in hind sight much less painful than what lies ahead. Injecting $Ts into the bank-o-sphere, bailing out car companies, back end payments to foreign financial institutions to keep cronies and lobbyists solvent wasn't a very wise prescription in the long term. We haven't solved any of the underlying problems.
seismedia 11 months ago
You cannot leverage what no one borrows. First the borrowing then the selling of such instruments in packages. Had a sufficient number not defaulted it could have been dealt with in a more orderly fashion
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "You cannot leverage what no one borrows"
And you cannot borrow what another isn't lending. But with unlimited money supply with little or no checks, the servicing/originating middleman with no liability but plenty of incentive (the functional organ in "privatize profits while making debts public"), the banks with help from a congress anxious to engage in social engineering and you've got a very distorted market with buyers over-borrowing and over-paying.
seismedia 11 months ago
Its naive to think otherwise. Be honest, those who borrowed started this. Recall it was not till the loans started tanking that things went down quick. Gee, who was defaulting on the loans? Just because things get crazy with lending, does not mean all of us should borrow. I don't buy the victim public. Ignorant yes.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Recall it was not till the loans started tanking that things went down quick."
It's hard not to blame defaulted borrowers, especially RE flippers, but there were/are other contributing factors to the market, the largest force being a never ending money supply with no accountability. Simple Econ 101 foretells rising prices, but add to that corrupt ratings agencies, fraudulent appraisals, and unscrupulous loan originators/servicers, with the CRA, and it becomes a house of cards.
seismedia 11 months ago
Faults!! We the people created the debt monster. The banks loaned the money to the people who, in vast numbers, over borrowed. Sure the banks did wrong but it could not have happened if we didn't accept the loans. What part of culpable to you not understand?
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "We the people created the debt monster"
While I can't disagree that we the people will pay the price at the end of the day, it's naive to suggest that we consented to the bankruptcy of the nation with any certain knowledge of the countless back room meetings or sufficient transparency of the Fed, the banks, or even our own rob-peter-to-pay-paul social programs. In a fashion and magnitude of which Charles Ponzi could only dream, we were sold promises never intended to be kept.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "The banks loaned the money to the people who, in vast numbers, over borrowed. Sure the banks did wrong but it could not have happened if we didn't accept the loans."
You know not of what you speak. The money lent to home buyers was not the banks' to lend. They were and are leveraged 8:2 lending against deposits, but took those securitized loans and leveraged them again. But it wasn't even their money lent in the first place. That's why the government now owns 90% of mortgages.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "What part of culpable to you not understand?"
Wake up, when Ben Bernanke testifies in front of congress, it's just a dog and pony show. They don't meet in the basement of the Fed worrying about the American people, the economy, or our "dreams", they have a singular goal of preserving the wealth of the member banks. i.e. there's not "We the People" at the Federal Reserve... it's "We the Banks" and a corrupt, spineless Congress and WH. Take a look at the Fed Rate since the 1990s.
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "We the people created the debt monster"
Back to your original thesis. If we allow ourselves to be lured by entitlement promises that are mathematically incoherent and doomed to eventual failure, if we submit ourselves to a fractional reserve banking system which rather than backed by anything of value is only backed by the fiat power of the government, then I guess we created or at least allowed the monster to be created and thus we are culpable to the extent we are gullible.
seismedia 11 months ago
I think we can agree on all of us were part of this failed economy.
Who did what when will not bring things forward.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "all of us were part of this failed economy"
If it helps you sleep at night, you can blame the tooth fairy for the failure of the economy but that is no gateway to either fixing it or moving forward. What is quite obvious (FHA,CRA,GSEs & JPM,GoldmanSachs) is that banks have been colluding with government in the boudoirs of Congress and the WH for a century longer than should have been allowed. The result an ever-expanding monetary supply and overall breach of faith and credit.
seismedia 11 months ago
I desire no controversy. You can make argument by accusation though it's effect is weak. You may have some problem that makes
you desire to challenge, perhaps to validate you existence. I don't know. See? i'm already getting to know you. For myself , I'm just and old retired person who knows you have a ways to go yet. Thats ok. I enjoy the dialog just the same.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "You can make argument by accusation though it's effect is weak."
Scrolling back through the thread, it would appear that other than GB leveling accusations against a spend-drunk congress 2 years ago as them embarked on $3.2T in spending, you are indeed the party making argument through accusations:
"Complain like hell but not one single SOLUTION. Is he really concerned with the country? I don't think he gives a damn."
Do you want to have a go at the issues?
seismedia 11 months ago
Not really. I simply wondered what Glen's motive is for actions. I'm not referring to money, politics, world affairs. You see, my interests are not in what is said, rather what is the motive for saying it. For therein is the essence of all behaviors. I even have my eye out for you. So keep talking and you will, inevitably, reveal your inner motives. Cause you know how words can deceive.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "I even have my eye out for you."
I'm flattered, but warn that you search for controversy in vain.
seismedia 11 months ago
That is funny. You can not argue both sides at the same time.
I like the fact you suddenly agree with me. Really take one side or the other but be consistent.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "I like the fact you suddenly agree with me"
I have not changed my views recently, so anything sudden must be attributed to you "suddenly" realizing something that was already there. I'm not sure where you and I agree, nor where we disagree because we haven't discussed any substantive issues to date. Was there something to which you were referring, specifically? That our government is too big, it spends too much, it's too opaque, it's too corrupt? Socialist programs fail?
seismedia 11 months ago
"Do I need to know their motives" You are sadly remiss if you fail to understand motive.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "You are sadly remiss if you fail to understand motive"
I think I clearly stated the reason why Glenn Beck does his show, it's his 8-5 job and as the actual owner of his syndicated programs, he's got a vested interest, similar to the vested interest every person has in their message, politician or broadcaster, writer, poet, etc. That is a given and actually of very little interest compared to whether there is some truth and value in his message.
seismedia 11 months ago
We agree on the most important aspect of society, education.
It is not so much annoyance. It is mostly the easily influenced being
drawn into his empty rhetoric and double talk that bothers me.
Perhaps you could expand on what the man's real motive is for his actions.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "expand on what the man's real motive is for his actions"
His motives? Anyone's guess, he's running a business, commentary is his 8-5 job, so perhaps for money. Do I care? Did Obama, Bush, Reagan, or Clinton, Pelosi, Bhoener, Newt, Reid, run for office other than to garner power and influence the country or world to their liking? Do I need to know their motives to recognize the truth or error in their ways? Notice I just answered your question with more questions?
seismedia 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "mostly the easily influenced being drawn into his empty rhetoric"
But if you ask about the message, let me simply quote Green Day,
"Shut up or be a victim of authority" or more aptly, "question everything or be ruled by authority".
It's ironic that you seem to think that the easily influenced aren't the ones that accept the bylines of everyday Main Stream Media, but you think Beck who challenges the status quo panders to the easily led.
seismedia 11 months ago
Glen is never going to make the slightest bit of difference to anything , at anytime, anywhere for any reason. The easily swayed will always be his crowd. His most important contribution is material for colbert and stewart. There he shines.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro "Glen is never going to make the slightest bit of difference to anything"
Though he apparently has you annoyed enough for whatever reason. But, I would actually agree with you, that Glenn isn't what's important here. What is important is that the US and World banking systems are insolvent and their game has played out against the backdrop of a morally bankrupt political system. What will make a difference is not Colbert and Stewart, but American's educating themselves.
seismedia 11 months ago
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QuestionsHelp 11 months ago
well the lies r done people r waking up WHAT!!!
gamervgd 11 months ago
O Glenn Beck you are such a fail. Lol
sabian1hhx1only 11 months ago
glen was a fool then and continues to be the Right's buffoon. Problem with individuals like glen is they tend to be one trick pony's. Complain like hell but not
one single SOLUTION. Is he really concerned with the country? I don't think he
gives a damn.
garynorthtruro 11 months ago
@garynorthtruro he wrote an entire book about the solution...you might want to check it out before you look like a complete tard
phiten40 11 months ago
"Does the president think we're this stupid?" -Says the guy wearing purple checkered shirt and tie. Purple, the color of tinkie winky who wears a purse, and purses are for women. glenn beck is a cross dresser! omg the humanity!
booyakasha69696969 11 months ago
Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls
jedihunter176 11 months ago
I feel dirty just watching this guy with the sound on. Jeez what a creep.
GroverGee 11 months ago
"To instigate the populace with rage beyond the provocation, is to suspend public happiness, if not to destroy it. He is no lover of his country, that unnecessarily disturbs its peace. Few errors and few faults of government, can justify an appeal to the rabble; who ought not to judge of what they cannot understand, and whose opinions are not propagated by reason, but caught by contagion."
lopside0 1 year ago
@lopside0 "He is no lover of his country, that unnecessarily disturbs its peace."
Glenn's as crazy and irreverent as they come, but he employs a large research team, probably larger than any talking head in the business, and they aren't crazy. Sure, he puts a clown face on the truth, but if you took him at his word over the last 5 years, you'd have have seen what's coming. So, is the true patriot someone who, in fear of disturbing public happiness, sits silently on the truth?
seismedia 1 year ago
@seismedia Beck's research team needs to get fired because they seem to drop the ball EVERY TIME. Seriously, do what I do - DO SOME FACT CHECKING YOURSELF! Try it with Beck for a little while and see what the results are. Beck's "truth" is laughable, but what does it matter? He made HIS money.
pureevilfnord 11 months ago
@pureevilfnord "Beck's "truth" is laughable, but what does it matter?"
So, hahaha, what's the "truth" you find so laughable?
seismedia 11 months ago
@seismedia Well...I find it laughable that 90% of what Glenn Beck says can be debunked with about 5 minutes of simple research yet some people believe what he says. Don't believe me? Try it! I find it laughable that idiots then fall all over themselves to give him money. I'm sure he finds it funny too. He's paid to troll and he's laughing all the way to the bank. Go ahead and trust his "research team" if you want.
pureevilfnord 11 months ago
@pureevilfnord "I find it laughable that 90% of what Glenn Beck says can be debunked with about 5 minutes of simple research"
You're on. I'll post any five minute video you make and see if you can get to 90% of his statements debunked. I don't believe you, but this is a great opportunity for you to show me and the great Glenn Beck up at the same time. Have at it. Can you have something to me by tomorrow so it's there for the weekend crowd?
seismedia 11 months ago
@seismedia You post it, I'll debunk it.
pureevilfnord 11 months ago
@pureevilfnord "You post it, I'll debunk it."
Huh!? You boldly claim you can debunk 90% of GBs statements, then ask ME to give you the material to debunk?! Are you a) lame, b) a wimp, c) an idiot, d) a troll, or e) just plain lazy. Do you want me to hold your hand?
Oh, just a second, your mom's calling. She wants you to put down your keyboard and bring your pajamas and dirty socks upstairs. There's milk and cookies waiting for you!
Sheesh, stop wasting my time.
seismedia 11 months ago
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pureevilfnord 11 months ago
Sure, dude. YOU want ME to look it up for you. You wouldn't EVER check Glenn's facts yourself. I could give a FLYING FUCK if "seismedia" believes what I say. There are literally THOUSANDS of articles online that will show you that, yet you want me to PRODUCE A VIDEO to prove it to you. On top of that, you want a video that debunks 90% of what Glenn says. HOW DO I DO THAT IN A 5 MINUTE VIDEO?
pureevilfnord 11 months ago
@pureevilfnord "Sure, dude. YOU want ME to look it up for you."
Your foul mouth writes checks your brain can't cash. Gladly you removed your last comment after no doubt its absurdity sunk in. I don't have time for someone who makes bold claims "90% of what Glenn Beck says can be debunked with about 5 minutes of simple research" and then given the opportunity thinks a string of obscenities is an adequate proxy for substantive argument. I'll leave your comment as a testament, but you're banned.
seismedia 11 months ago
@seismedia did you at least notice that he said there were no earmarks in the shit that he printed, and then he points out earmarks in it?
kenkanif729 11 months ago
@seismedia So, according to Beck, I guess I should think the president hates White people, the world is going to end, and I should be selling all my gold to his affiliate company.
BonsaiBlog 11 months ago
@BonsaiBlog "So, according to Beck, I guess I should think the president hates White people, the world is going to end, and I should be selling all my gold to his affiliate company."
Wow, you are really daft or just looking to be disagreeable. 1. Beck said Obama is a racist, not that he "hates white people" (difference is subtle, but evident), 2. the world will end some day, Beck doesn't say when nor claim to know, 3. He has advocated BUYING gold, which from 2008 at $600/oz was good advice.
seismedia 11 months ago
That's capitalism for ya.
CrustVegan 1 year ago
@CrustVegan "That's capitalism"
Please illuminate us with your vast knowledge of economics.
seismedia 1 year ago
@CrustVegan no, that's just a fucked up country and a brave and honest man revealing the facts.
VideoMaster987 1 year ago
@VideoMaster987 "that's just a #$%&ed up country and a brave and honest man revealing the facts"
Agree on your second point, but deny your explicative. Glenn is brave, mostly honest, sticks his foot in his mouth on occasion, and is a dead man walking - he's the first American listed as an enemy of the state on the White House web page. Scary times ahead if we don't get our act together.
seismedia 1 year ago
@seismedia Is he really listed as an enemy of the state on the White House webpage? Where is the link? I gotta see that one to believe it!
papillonaquatique 1 year ago
@papillonaquatique "Is he really listed as an enemy of the state on the White House webpage? Where is the link?"
I've seen it with my own eyes, some section about "the truth" where they listed Beck by name. It went up when Obama was still trying to pass healthscare. I get nauseated when I read the propaganda, so I'm not too excited about posting the link (which you can't on YouTube anyway. For laughs, however, they have a new comedy section called "Fiscal Responsibility". LOL!
seismedia 1 year ago
Many things need reform in congress: filibuster, pork barreling, etc. Glenn needs to realize that congress checks the president, not the president checking congress. Now Glenn needs to realize that saying that his job is pretty much killing people and progress with this acting. He's a good actor, however he needs to go back to radio or start a non news show, because this is getting ridiculous, people actually beleive this guy is very smart and correct about many things.. its all his writers....
SirOttoVBismark 1 year ago
@SirOttoVBismark "Glenn needs to realize that congress checks the president, not the president checking congress"
Wrong, and wrong. Power, and more importantly, the raw power of a majority needs to be held in check. Whether a large corporation, or a large corpus of useless idiots like congress. And both the legislative and executive need to hold the feet of a liberal judiciary to the fire. Contrary to the fallacy that America's greatness comes from our government, it's the limit thereof.
seismedia 1 year ago
@SirOttoVBismark "his job is pretty much killing people and progress with this acting"
Killing people, huh? Would you please elaborate?
Killing progress? If it's this last two bountiful years of progress that Glenn and others have kept at bay, I wish there were more like him. To loosely quote Obama/Biden, "Without the stimulus, unemployment may go above 8%". Two years into O's job training, UI claimants hold steady at high 9's, real unemployment is breaking 20%, so please, no more "progress".
seismedia 1 year ago
If I was the president and he talked about me like that, he would mysteriously disappear.
BloodeatingDespot 1 year ago 3
@BloodeatingDespot "he would mysteriously disappear"
Wow, you are one scary dude! Thin skinned to boot!
seismedia 1 year ago
@seismedia thin skinned, nothing. This man is racist, grossly uninformed, and grossly misinforming people on national television. Dissent is good, but this is not dissent; it is the beginnings of hysteria.
BloodeatingDespot 1 year ago
@BloodeatingDespot "This man is racist, grossly uninformed, and grossly misinforming people on national television."
Wow, you speak with such conviction! So thank you for your "unbiased" characterization, could you further enlighten with some actual fact? What misinformation has he passed along, explain wherein he is demonstrably a racist. I won't argue that he doesn't come across as a goof at times, because he admits to being a "schlub", but these other allegations, you can back them up, no?
seismedia 1 year ago
@seismedia shut the fuck up with your condescending attitude. I never claimed to be unbiased, did I? How about Byron Williams? How about Beck's making an intentional mockery of the Martin Luther King "Dream" speech on its anniversary? What was the focus of his Tea Party nonsense? Oh yeah, kicking out all those dirty Mexicans. His unbridled and undereducated sophistry on FOX "news" has led to VIOLENCE against progressives, and it is getting worse.
Rupert Murdock=misinformation.
BloodeatingDespot 1 year ago
@BloodeatingDespot "making an intentional mockery of the Martin Luther King Dream speech on its anniversary?"
Mockery?! With King's Niece by his side, Beck paid tribute to King's peaceful movement. Did you actually listen to what he said, or did you cherry pick snipes of what his enemies had to say?
Dirty Mexicans? Dirty!? On top of being a biased hack, you also seem to be a racist, but I guess in your foul mouthed progressive world, the two go hand in hand, but thanks for confirming that.
seismedia 1 year ago
If anyone is really passionate about this kind of stuff you really owe it to yourself to see the movie "THE CORPORATION"
just4funzees 1 year ago
Im stimulated! How bout you?
just4funzees 1 year ago
@just4funzees "Im stimulated! How bout you?"
Not as stimulated as I would have expected from $747B of pork spending.
seismedia 1 year ago
Beck: "I am tired of the government saying one thing and then doing the exact opposite"
The same could be said for you Glenn.
rmccay88 1 year ago 14
You know a helluva lot about that, don't you Glenn? For a guy who's more concerned about "right and wrong" then "right and left", you do spend an awful lotta time kissing the right's ass while riding the left's! You lie at least once every time you open your mouth but berate others for lying!
RadarKat73080 1 year ago
Glenn Beck is a fraud, listen to Alex Jones!