Hey all, did you know the original Terminator hand was machined from stainless steel? If you have machine shop experience, you will know this is about the most difficult way to make this happen...given the mechanical stress involved a 7075 alum polished part (mush faster and easier to get done) would probably have worked fine. BUT, certain people have their own ways of doing things...who am I to judge? I am but an egg,,,always learning...cheers!
@NoahLDiamond Got it. Does the diameter of the electrical cable hooked to a servo motor matters? Basically, could a cable in a smaller diameter pull much voltage as a larger one? I ask because the T-850 in Terminator 3 looks to be way stronger, but everything on the endoskeleton appears to be the same size as the T-800's.
The amazing plot holes and wonders of un-needed sequels. It was not a James Cameron production... It was made to capitolize on the Terminator brand. :)
Movie magic doesn't always holt continuity. If you watch the making of T3, they explain that they over-did the animations for draumatic effect. Same with the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
It's a movie, not real life. :) Enjoy the fiction.
@NoahLDiamond Good point. But there's something I don't understand even with Cameron. You could see on the T-800s endoskeleton, such as their hands, that they have no sensors on them. So how did the T-800 know he wasn't gripping John too tightly when he shielded him from bullets; just like when he shook Sarah's hand?
They DO have sensors. They also have "Detailed Human Anatomy" in their programming. Sensors in the hands and what not are controlled through the cyborg living tissue with a nervous system that reports, hence the terminator saying "I sense injuries. The data could be called pain.", as well as proximity, thermal, vision, olfactory and pressure sensors all over their endoskeleton allowing them to sense ballence and contact pressures through electrical impulse. Remember... Fiction. :)
@NoahLDiamond Fiction but science fiction. A lot of the stuff in the Terminator films is possible or could be possible. I imagine somehow this could be too. But look at the endoskeleton hands. Where are the senors? They're actually none showing. The living tissue could make sense but even without it the T-800s still are able to understand how much force they're gripping with. An example of this are in the flashbacks when they're holding weapons. They're not applying enough of force to break them
Easy response to the weapons is pre-programmed force control. Another is proximity, density, material construct, shape and resistance to compression. I would assume that field service terminators exert as much force as they can to kill with ease. They also know how hard to knock on doors and how loud to speak as they are infiltration units.
Again, Fiction. These are all possible. Let your imagination run but stay within the confines of known science. I am enjoying these replys!
@NoahLDiamond Pre-programed force control is an option, but even the endoskeletons somehow are able to understand the force they're using. An example of this are the T-600s. In T4, they know how to hold a minigun with one-hand without crushing it. A T-600 also knew how to apply enough of force onto John's shoulder to throw him without ripping his shoulder off or crushing it into bits.
@reptile202 You bring up an excellent plot hole. The movie would have been over right there and then. In Terminator 1, the T-800 ripped out a guys heart and took the living guys clothes.
The T-800 in reality would have not had a staged fight, but rather just kill him on sight.
We can both agree that Terminator 1 and 2 are the ONLY real Terminator movies, and T3 and T4 were so full of plot holes that they barely supported their own weight in film.
@NoahLDiamond Well, in Terminator 2 this is also somewhat of an issue. In the intro of Terminator 2, a T-800 endoskeleton applies enough of force to crush a human skull with a stomp, but not enough to crush the weapon in his hand. Something similar to this occurred in Terminator 1. The T-800 endoskeleton was using enough of force to bend the bars, but not enough to crush Sarah's neck or shoulder. My head is going to explode until I find a logical answer...lol.
@reptile202 It is programmed to handle the weapons. The weapons were made for humans to use, but the Terminators would take them from dead humans. T-800s weigh almost 2000 lbs. Their weight would crush a human skeleton. The T-800 was bending bars BEFORE it was blown up by the bomb from Kyle Reese. The hydraulic systems were severely damaged and it lost a lot of fluid, so it had to resort to backup motors, which lack the crushing force, hence the machine being so loud after blowing up. Movies. :)
@NoahLDiamond 2000lbs It's possible but I doubt it. If it honestly weighted near that, when it jumped on the car hood in T1 it should've easily caved in. Not to mention when it fought the guy in hand-to-hand in the house, he shouldn't been able to pick the Terminator completely off its feet. I'm talking about after it was blown up; it still had the strength to put its hand through the bars and drag it's own weight. When it's being crushed by the press, you can actually see that the bars are bent
Hydraulic fluid is not compressible, and the fluid pumps provided an amplified amount of strength to the machine. When the hydraulic system was destroyed in the torso, it could barely move and hardly had the force to kill Sarah at that point, but it was following it's programming. Kyle explained that "It ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD! It's what they do!"
It did what it could do to adapt to keep following it's programmed mission, not caring if it could or could not complete it.
Put this in to youtube: watch?v=Is8_xH_2hLo . It won't allow me to post youtube links.
These are the deleted scenes from the Original Terminator movie. It will explain a lot, especially the ending. They intended to make Terminator 2 during filming, but were not sure if the movie would be a success, so these were cut to leave it there just in case.
Electric motors, either precision or simple, have full torque at all RPMs, from 0 to peak. This is why diesel locomotives use electric generators to drive electric motors for the driving wheels.
The complexity comes into play when the servo motor is already at a high RPM and needs to suddenly change. Usually, there will be two motors, one for each direction, to make fast movements with both motors fighting eachother to maintain fluid motion.
@NoahLDiamond Do you know a lot about servo motors? I was wondering the faster a servo motor is moving, the most force it's generating. And the slower it's moving, the less force it's generating? Basically I'm asking, does it generate it's max force no matter the speed it's moving.
In short, electric motors produce a constant torque until they reach a very high RPM, where they start to drop off as they cannot rotate any faster. When the motor is inside it's RPM range (lets say 0-15,000 RPM), it will consistently provide torque.
Gasoline/reciprocating engines develop power from the piston strokes. The more strokes per minute, the higher the power and the smoother it runs.
Electric uses magnetic force and maintain the same magnet to coil force.
i will this terminator hand but i will the right hand becuase i will make a tetsuo cosplay from the Anime AKIRA
CUBETechie 3 weeks ago
Lol.. How many people are trying to make real terminators take over the world...
8o8inSquares 1 month ago
Hey all, did you know the original Terminator hand was machined from stainless steel? If you have machine shop experience, you will know this is about the most difficult way to make this happen...given the mechanical stress involved a 7075 alum polished part (mush faster and easier to get done) would probably have worked fine. BUT, certain people have their own ways of doing things...who am I to judge? I am but an egg,,,always learning...cheers!
misteRoboto1 1 month ago
A real T800 is mostly hydraulic, so there are no gears to jam. Some linear servos and a couple motors for shoulder torque.
NoahLDiamond 3 months ago
@NoahLDiamond Got it. Does the diameter of the electrical cable hooked to a servo motor matters? Basically, could a cable in a smaller diameter pull much voltage as a larger one? I ask because the T-850 in Terminator 3 looks to be way stronger, but everything on the endoskeleton appears to be the same size as the T-800's.
reptile202 3 months ago
@reptile202
The amazing plot holes and wonders of un-needed sequels. It was not a James Cameron production... It was made to capitolize on the Terminator brand. :)
Movie magic doesn't always holt continuity. If you watch the making of T3, they explain that they over-did the animations for draumatic effect. Same with the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
It's a movie, not real life. :) Enjoy the fiction.
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
@NoahLDiamond Good point. But there's something I don't understand even with Cameron. You could see on the T-800s endoskeleton, such as their hands, that they have no sensors on them. So how did the T-800 know he wasn't gripping John too tightly when he shielded him from bullets; just like when he shook Sarah's hand?
reptile202 2 months ago
@reptile202
They DO have sensors. They also have "Detailed Human Anatomy" in their programming. Sensors in the hands and what not are controlled through the cyborg living tissue with a nervous system that reports, hence the terminator saying "I sense injuries. The data could be called pain.", as well as proximity, thermal, vision, olfactory and pressure sensors all over their endoskeleton allowing them to sense ballence and contact pressures through electrical impulse. Remember... Fiction. :)
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
@NoahLDiamond Fiction but science fiction. A lot of the stuff in the Terminator films is possible or could be possible. I imagine somehow this could be too. But look at the endoskeleton hands. Where are the senors? They're actually none showing. The living tissue could make sense but even without it the T-800s still are able to understand how much force they're gripping with. An example of this are in the flashbacks when they're holding weapons. They're not applying enough of force to break them
reptile202 2 months ago
@reptile202
Remember, Terminators are not immune to detection. In T4 Salvation, they were working on fully organic programmable prototypes as well.
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
@reptile202
Easy response to the weapons is pre-programmed force control. Another is proximity, density, material construct, shape and resistance to compression. I would assume that field service terminators exert as much force as they can to kill with ease. They also know how hard to knock on doors and how loud to speak as they are infiltration units.
Again, Fiction. These are all possible. Let your imagination run but stay within the confines of known science. I am enjoying these replys!
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
@NoahLDiamond Pre-programed force control is an option, but even the endoskeletons somehow are able to understand the force they're using. An example of this are the T-600s. In T4, they know how to hold a minigun with one-hand without crushing it. A T-600 also knew how to apply enough of force onto John's shoulder to throw him without ripping his shoulder off or crushing it into bits.
reptile202 2 months ago
@reptile202 You bring up an excellent plot hole. The movie would have been over right there and then. In Terminator 1, the T-800 ripped out a guys heart and took the living guys clothes.
The T-800 in reality would have not had a staged fight, but rather just kill him on sight.
We can both agree that Terminator 1 and 2 are the ONLY real Terminator movies, and T3 and T4 were so full of plot holes that they barely supported their own weight in film.
Welcome to movie brand capitolization.
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
@NoahLDiamond Well, in Terminator 2 this is also somewhat of an issue. In the intro of Terminator 2, a T-800 endoskeleton applies enough of force to crush a human skull with a stomp, but not enough to crush the weapon in his hand. Something similar to this occurred in Terminator 1. The T-800 endoskeleton was using enough of force to bend the bars, but not enough to crush Sarah's neck or shoulder. My head is going to explode until I find a logical answer...lol.
reptile202 2 months ago
@reptile202 It is programmed to handle the weapons. The weapons were made for humans to use, but the Terminators would take them from dead humans. T-800s weigh almost 2000 lbs. Their weight would crush a human skeleton. The T-800 was bending bars BEFORE it was blown up by the bomb from Kyle Reese. The hydraulic systems were severely damaged and it lost a lot of fluid, so it had to resort to backup motors, which lack the crushing force, hence the machine being so loud after blowing up. Movies. :)
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
@NoahLDiamond 2000lbs It's possible but I doubt it. If it honestly weighted near that, when it jumped on the car hood in T1 it should've easily caved in. Not to mention when it fought the guy in hand-to-hand in the house, he shouldn't been able to pick the Terminator completely off its feet. I'm talking about after it was blown up; it still had the strength to put its hand through the bars and drag it's own weight. When it's being crushed by the press, you can actually see that the bars are bent
reptile202 2 months ago
@reptile202 Dude, by federal law, a vehicle must be able to support at least 3 times it's own weight on it's roof, in case it rolls.
The guy did not lift the terminator off it's feet. I searched through the movie. I see the terminator picking up a guy.
the bars were already bent. It's a hydraulic press. Shit bends there all the time.
Did you watch the link I included in my last post.
After being blown up, it was sliding metal on metal. It didn't even have a grip, and barely moved. :)
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
Hydraulic fluid is not compressible, and the fluid pumps provided an amplified amount of strength to the machine. When the hydraulic system was destroyed in the torso, it could barely move and hardly had the force to kill Sarah at that point, but it was following it's programming. Kyle explained that "It ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD! It's what they do!"
It did what it could do to adapt to keep following it's programmed mission, not caring if it could or could not complete it.
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
@reptile202
Put this in to youtube: watch?v=Is8_xH_2hLo . It won't allow me to post youtube links.
These are the deleted scenes from the Original Terminator movie. It will explain a lot, especially the ending. They intended to make Terminator 2 during filming, but were not sure if the movie would be a success, so these were cut to leave it there just in case.
I hope this helps.
NoahLDiamond 2 months ago
Electric motors, either precision or simple, have full torque at all RPMs, from 0 to peak. This is why diesel locomotives use electric generators to drive electric motors for the driving wheels.
The complexity comes into play when the servo motor is already at a high RPM and needs to suddenly change. Usually, there will be two motors, one for each direction, to make fast movements with both motors fighting eachother to maintain fluid motion.
NoahLDiamond 3 months ago
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NephalimXFX 5 months ago
It is servo motor cable driven. There is a computer that coordinates the motions inside the base of the unit.
NoahLDiamond 6 months ago
@NoahLDiamond Do you know a lot about servo motors? I was wondering the faster a servo motor is moving, the most force it's generating. And the slower it's moving, the less force it's generating? Basically I'm asking, does it generate it's max force no matter the speed it's moving.
reptile202 3 months ago
@reptile202
In short, electric motors produce a constant torque until they reach a very high RPM, where they start to drop off as they cannot rotate any faster. When the motor is inside it's RPM range (lets say 0-15,000 RPM), it will consistently provide torque.
Gasoline/reciprocating engines develop power from the piston strokes. The more strokes per minute, the higher the power and the smoother it runs.
Electric uses magnetic force and maintain the same magnet to coil force.
NoahLDiamond 3 months ago
@NoahLDiamond So basically, the T-800 would have less torque when it's running at its max speed than it would if it was running at an idle speed?
reptile202 3 months ago
WHOH creepy but AWESOME!
Dragoonpyromantic 8 months ago
I guess those are hydraulic motors better in force but not in speed.
AZURA888 10 months ago
is that the real arm? from t2 its so cool
gstyun 1 year ago