What I like about AronRa: he looks like a mean biker but acts like an educated gentleman. It's very disarming. It must drive creationists up the wall when they debate him.
@AronRa it’s ok for science to fill in the gaps by assuming a cosmological singularity in one book, and to assume a biological singularity in another book, but try to assume that those two scientific singularities have any connection is invalid? How is that not “picking and choosing”?
You say that just because science doesn’t know doesn’t mean that it wont know in the future. I suspect the same can be said existentially.
Because you invented one of them and you're misrepresenting the other. The zero-space singularity before the Big Bang is not professed as "truth," but is merely the most accurate hypothesis we currently possess. Scientists are honest enough to admit that they don't know everything, but flawed ideas CAN still be accurate. Just look at Newtonian gravity.
This is for the bloke asking the question at the start.
If god created everything in six days, and you beleive that. And if god created the bible through men, then you beleive in slavery and human sacrifice...because its gods word, right?
My understanding of dimensional physics is pretty flawed I'm sure, because it doesn't work in math. But it is a reasonable idea that upon the foundations of the lower dimensions, each is more complex than the one below it. So, it stands to reason that if dimension 3 exists, then all those above it must also exist. The question then becomes; can a dimension 5 being influence our lives here in dimension 3? If so, what might that look like?
I would like to see a video about how we have established the age of the earth! I was talking to a Christian friend about this and I asked if she really belived that the earth was a few thousand years old. She told me she didn't really believe you COULD establish the earth's age... I was dumbfounded. If anyone has some tips on videos, please let me know :)
Radiometric dating is a good start. She might bring up how it's "inaccurate" without any real reason, but it's backed up by dendrochronology and other methods.
/watch?v=iGDrq8rikJc
This video is heavily sarcastic, but cdk007 is a good resource for most of this stuff.
Many variables which were still not known. So humans went the easy way and started assuming things which, just like in mathematics or basicly any subject of science or other learnings, will never lead to the correct answer. It is better to have no answer, instead of the wrong answer because the living your life by the wrong answer way might have some serious influences. With maths, your final answer will be wrong. With life, people die.
You spoke here of filling in the gaps of science with fairytales. You said it was an idiotic thing to do. But the essence of science is more or less finding the solution, law, rule or as some may call it:fairytale, to a so far unknown happening. Yet, science does so by taking into account many researched, repeated and demonstrated factors, which make it more plausible for such a fairytale to apply. Problem with christianity is that by the time it was formed, the formula for existence had too -
@AronRa It is perfectly acceptable to use the anthropic principle in biology to prove a probabilistic cause for life on earth. After all, even though the odds are incredibly small, we can see the universe is plenty big enough with enough stars to make the unlikely almost certain.
However there are a few problems using that same probabilistic cause argument for the creation of the universe. Primarily because we don't know of a single other universe, much less the nearly infinite # you imply.
If anyone's interested on an eastern take on all of this, Ramesh Balsekar, a recently deceased guru of India, a hindu, no less, has a very interesting take on this very question, enjoy, but you've got to pay close attention, as this guy has an accent and no teeth!
@jomen112 Because modern physics is showing that the total energy in the Universe is 0. A Universe From Nothing Lawerence Krauss. Go watch that and then come back and talk.
@SententiaRatio Becasue the total energy of system is zero does not mean there is nothing in the system. Go read a physics book and come back and talk.
@jomen112 Since matter=energy and the opposite is true...yes it does mean that. If the total energy in a system is equal to zero, than you can say that the total matter of the system is equal to zero. Therefore the total amount of anything in the system is equal to zero.
7:31 Aweeesome!!! Creationsim - The belief that a magic invisible man of unknown origin living in the sky created everything out of nothing, using materials that didn't exist.
Imagine not thinking about anything, completely blank. Then you suddenly think of a tree. Imagine space completely empty and blank, nothing there. Nothing there whatsoever. Suddenly, it pictures a tree. You are sitting there picturing images in your mind, suddenly you make a sound, meow. Space eventually was able to talk to itself because it developed schizophrenia. And here we are today.
What's with the cartoon jesus ads everywhere? They're appealing to kids with a winking jesus doing the finger gun, really?
This guy doesn't understand that asking questions isn't a debate. Who told him AronRa should have to spend time answering stuff he can find online? Lazy limey lummux.
I think what you are referring to is "Buddy Christ", which is a parody of attempts to update the image of religion to make it appeal to more people. It comes from the comedy movie "Dogma".
04:14 "and theirs no evidence to imply that such things even existed"yes .....obviously.....and there never will be, you've stated numerous in this and other videos that science by it's very nature can't say any thing about a supper natural creator god even if it existed
I don't seem to get enough of your vids, AronRa,,, I loved this one with the confused creationist,, it is so typical of a creationist to just mix all things up, I guess that is why they retire themselves to the idea of "God did it"... lol
The guy in this video believes what he believes because his parents indoctrinated him. To accept that his beliefs are nonsense and a delusion would mean accepting that his parents were either stupid, delusional or liars. Very few people can admit that about their parents.
In my brain- I don't know how it all began- I'm OK with suspending the anxiety of waiting for an explanation. I'll let others duke it out about the "best explanation" of how things got started- I'm just glad it did.
@Rabredux I didn't mean that I considered faith and science as "competing" methods or on the same level of credibility- just that I'm practicing what all enlightened people do: wait for science to give the definitive answer. Thx Redux
can we stop calling it the big BANG and start calling it the big Woosh? cause, as Aron said, it didn'T went bang. its a rapid expansion. Big Woosh would cause less misunderstanding
I find it amazing that creationists can say with a straight face "How can you believe everything came from NOTHING? That's unpossible!"
That isn't what the Big Bang Theory says, but even if it did, how is "something came from nothing" crazier than "something came from nothing....then that something poofed another something into existence with magic"
Creationists have plenty of experience with dishonesty. It's nothing new to them.
They know they don't stand a chance fighting against actual science like evolution or the Big Bang, so instead they lie about what they are and knock down their straw men.
@TheZooCrew But a lot of the time I don't think it's dishonesty or lying. I just think they just don't think about what they really believe. They simply don't see creationism as "something coming from nothing" and just accept as fact that God is eternal or something.
@TheZooCrew Perhaps, but I see it more as just plain old ignorance. I don't think they're actively thinking "Ok, I know the BBT and science are actually right so I'm just going to lie about what I actually believe" I think they (and not all of course) are just good at compartmentalizing their beliefs. That's how you get someone like Francis Collins who is a brilliant scientist, but he also believes in God and has a very unscientific reason for why he believes in, say, the Trinity.
It's one thing to have faith in things that science doesn't comment on, but it's something else entirely to assert that one's convictions trump reality.
Yeah, what a coincidence i ran into this, this is they guy who became increasingly more reasonable in his understanding about the natural world and the concept of a benevolent god and hell.. and who is now indeed (just now) having more then doubts about his by now already reasonable deism... Inspiring stuff....
I believe the "big bang" was the result of a hyper-massive (more massive than a super-massive) black hole when most of its mass was converted to energy by negative mass aka Hawking radiation. The "bang" was so energetic that it simply pushed aside any space/time that laid outside its event horizon thus forming our expanding universe. (This is just my personal opinion.)
It's frustrating when you do your best to explain to them, but their only reply is to repeat ad nauseum the misconception that you just clarified. But if we don't do what we can, then things will only get worse.
I showed this to my Christian friend once. He told me, "How can you put your faith in someone who looks a stupid and homeless as that?" This is where I said, "Really? I think he looks like Jesus."
@MrXenetics Haha I get that all the time with my long hair, I use that exact same response. Plus last time I checked homeless men didn't have clean hair and shaven faces xD
I just want to post, because I think this is one of the best posts on youtube! Go Science ; Go Sagin : Go AronRa ; Go Dawkins : Go free thinking human souls!
As for you relgious people out there...Don't be stuborn...exercise your mind!
i am all about science however with a little common sense we can see a afterlife exists. I would like to pull a case study i investigated, about people who official died and flat lined for longer than 5 min, and every one tells about floating over the body, the light and utter peace, others talk about falling and going into fear and torment shall i continue how i believe in a god?
This "case study" that you likely didn't actually investigate has nothing to do with the afterlife and everything to do with the brain's reaction to oxygen starvation from heart failure.
@TheZooCrew great im glad you bite on my hook :) ok, how about one instance where doctors were baffled by the fact that one women flat lined and was legally dead in the hospital, the doctors were tring to get her back to life, she says an angel took her in the air and heard everything the doctors were saying and when she came back to life she reapeated to the docs what they were saying, they were amazed, if the body is dead, and there are no more sences how could this happen?
@TheZooCrew like im not a pro on human biology but i know enough to engage in the topic, when the body dies there's no more senses, no more site, hearing, touch feel etc, yes there are electric currents that still occur in the brian but there is no sense perception once the body's dead.
and one more thing i will give you to ponder, every human on earth experienced a de ja vu, this ties into the fact that our lives are already predetermined by god and this does not eliminate free will
this guy is so thick,"all evolutionists believe in the big bang" what does evolution have to do with cosmology ??you just cant win with people like this!!!!!.
The funny thing about atomic particles is that they are not the result of a "creation event." They are the inevitable result of instability in nature collapsing into a more stable configuration.
To illustrate this point, consider what happens to several apples balanced on the edge of a bowl. If left alone, they will fall into or out of the bowl. Those apples that fall away become lone apples, and those that fall in conglomerate into what one might call a super-apple from a distance.
This AronRa guy is obviously just ignorant. Honestly, how is this logic flawed-- we don't understand all of the complex inner workings of the universe; therefore, a magical floating sky daddy did it. See it works like this:
1. something we don't understand.
2. ??????
3. god did it.
Now do you people understand the perfectly reasonable premises I have asserted?
haha I think people have been brainwashed and manipulated since childhood.. Its exactly like a cult..If it was true about a god, why are there sooo many religions? right! There would only be ONE! CAUSE ITS REAL. If there was a GOD, which would be silly and uneducated to even think.. There would be enormous amount of prove. In the end people are just scared to not believe, I guess. What ever you accomplish in life was because of your doing. period!
Science now can give us a good picture of what happened before the big bang. 2 dimensions - or branes, in our 11-dimensional universe collided and the matter and energy of our universe came from that collision.
Gravity, it seems, could well be a force which leaks into our three dimensions, and only the tiniest fraction of it, from one or more of the other dimensions.
Aron Ra FTW! Where do all these mindless Creationists get the idea that they should initiate a debate with someone 10X their intellectual equal? Where does it get them? How does posting a moronic video to the world demonstrating one's immense lack of understanding of reality help reaffirm their belief in fairy tales? Epic Creationist FAIL!!!
@sandcut1 How can you make an assertion that the big bang is fake, you said it yourself you are not a scientist. Do you have anything at all to back up your claim that the big bang is fake.
channeldz is a prime example of why I assert that most creationists are mentally ill in some capacity. They somehow think that when reality conflicts with their preferred mythology, then reality must be wrong and everyone involved must be lying. It's textbook paranoia.
We cannot explain where matter came from..so lets create God ! How novel that sounds, but this is what mankind has done ! How long will it take humanity to get out of this fairytale mess ? Ask yourself this question "Why am I religious"..be truthful and admit you have been indoctrinated from being a child. Not everyone of course bur the vast majority of the human race. This is a tragedy. The world would be a far better place without the fear of a religious concept.
@Callirgos1 magic? ok guy, well everything has a cause don't it? We know that from nothing, nothing comes.So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, Something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence.
"Something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God."
That's a total rejection of Occam's Razor and an unsubstantiated claim. It is much more logical and evident to say that matter/energy (they are really the same thing) always existed.
@TheZooCrew if you're a 100% sure that there's no "cause", then where's your evidence, so that's how everything started and caused life as well, and you're the only man alive that knows it... matter/energy all have a cause, that doesn't even make sense. cause and effect is all around you but that's ok we'll find out what caused everything someday i think what you said is ridiculous tho.
@TheZooCrew It would be enlightening if you could explain HOW something could literally appear out of nothing. I could accept that something can appear from 'nothing' that consists of something that we do not understand or cannot detect, but appearing from 'nothing-nothing' does not compute because it negates the meaning of nothing..
"It would be enlightening if you could explain HOW something could literally appear out of nothing."
This is a current field of intensive study and it costs the rest of us thousands of dollars in tuition. This wasn't my assertion, either...I merely stated that we observe causeless events.
".I believe there is cause for every effect"
But this is merely belief despite the current evidence. Again, you don't apply your ludicrous standard of scrutiny to your own beliefs
@TheZooCrew .I believe there is cause for every effect, even at the quantum level. The fact that we are unable to discern or measure that cause does not, in my opinion, negate the likelihood that there was a cause.
@Callirgos1 "existence itself was squished into this one infinite unit, so asking what happened in a universe that didn't yet exist at a time before there was time..blah blah" huh? so in other words - "existence itself randomly appeared "..
how is that any different than asking where everything came from? let me rephrase..where did IT (existence) come from?
pf bronze age? we're limited to understand a higher being but yet this asshole makes sense?
#1 If everything had to have a beginning explain where god came from remembering that if he just always existed then the same answers could also be used for the universe. Who created god? If something as perfect and advanced as god did not need a creator then neither did the universe
I love at the start, how he's like "ok Aron you give this your best shot and then I'll come back with my counter-arguments" - like it's going to be a meeting of intellectual equals lol. You got no argument, counter-argument ar any kind of a clue.
@QQOQQ Sir, for the millionth time. The theory of evolution has nothing to do with where the matter came from or how the world came to existence. Evolutionists study the changes in genetical make up of species as they undergo changes in various factors like competition for food or change in weather. Second, no religious person knows where matter came from, either. In fact, you only know of God because other people (most likely, parents) taught you. The same people who told you about Santa Claus.
instead of killing ,spoiling lives,destroying ,sending under earth ,hells ,if some place is given far away from india .and some thing are done for better to improve the qualities of humans and souls .so that every one can live .
request and pray ---every human every soul either good or bad ,angle or evil ,sinner,demon , god or devil every one want to live as a good humanbeing --please save
in india ,tamilnadu ,human souls are taken under earth ,under rocks ,even to several thousnds kilometers under rocks,taking old revenges ,vengenes ,conspirancies ,polatics and given different shapes .in sevrages and made like aliens .taking under earth and beating and burning .please save to every one,every molecules and request to bring all the souls ,creatures from under earth to on earth .and requests to request not to spoil souls and humans.please save from pains sufferings
request you and to request-- souls ,grand souls, microsouls or any molecules of human or any creatures should not be taken under earth or any hell for any punishment ,any kind of torturings ,sufferings .and requests, what ever punishment ,should be given on the earth only .requests you to come forward to make to bring back every souls every molecules of humans fron under earth and hell and save everyone good or bad
there should not be any hell under earth .if any punishment is given it should be given on the earth only .any souls ,even any molecules should not be taken under earth , sevarages or any hell under earth , for punishment ,any sufferings ,or any kind of torturings .request you to come forward . so far what ever souls has been taken under earth and hells make to bring back on the earth even single molecule also.
"We can't get something from nothing". Actually, you CAN. You can, thanks to quantum fluctuations and their production of virtual particles even in a perfect vacuum =D
you do know that Quantum fluctuations does not take place in nothingness. It actually takes place out of a larger quantum field ,which is a part of physical reality, that enables particles to come in and out of existence, so you would need to address that.
Then, maybe provide some evidence for these supposed baby universes or at least a way for me to falsify your claims in principle if not with evidence.
There's a reason that cosmologists still have jobs.
The Big Bang is currently a hot topic of study. However, galactic redshifts and the CMB cannot be explained by anything else. Your question has a built-in straw man and the failure to effectively answer the real question is not an argument for the existence of a deity, as you're implying.
WoW Wow wow. I did not ask him a question but just responded to the guy on this channel's claim. I don't understand how you can assume so much that I have not even said or addressed.
Well for one thing, I am just trying to start a dialogue on the current state of available evidence. Secondly, you are basing it on an unwarranted assumption without giving me the benefit of doubt. Nevertheless, Can you answer my question or not?
"However, galactic redshifts and the CMB cannot be explained by anything else."
False. I've already explained in comments here how it can be explained without resorting to "big bang", and I've explained how "big bang" did not even anticipate it or require it.
Big bang is an absurd creationist myth, I'm utterly dumbfounded that AronRa doesn't see that it's essentially the genesis myth from the bible without mentioning god. It's an idea that was invented by a belgian priest, not a scientist. It is an utterly unscientific notion entirely bereft of evidence supporting it. There's no reason to suspect the universe even had an origin, so why posit one?
The Big Bang is about the expansion of the universe, not the origin.
It was first developed by Friedmann and modified by Lemaitre.
The Big Bang has a tremendous amount of evidence, the most key parts being redshifting galaxies and the CMB. The universe definitely expanded from a central point. But this doesn't mean it had an origin.
There is absolutely no evidence supporting big bang creation myths. The "redshift" of celestial objects has been shown by Arp and others to be an intrinsic property and has absolutely nothing to do with distance of recessional velocity. You need to do a lot more research into big bang mythology before you run your mouth about it like it's science, because it is not. There is nothing scientific about "big bang" mythology.
"The same science that concerns the Big Bang is the same science that allows us to launch spacecraft that work."
Big bang creationism is not science. The operation of launch vehicles has fuck all to do with big bang and doesn't rely one jot on big bang creationism being valid, which it is not. I think you're confused to a great degree, your faith in big bang clouds your judgement.
The "CMB" is not evidence of big bang. Believers cite the "temperature" of this radiation (which is local) as being in accordance with predictions made by a big bang believer. The person in question made may "predictions" of the temperature of the universe, all of which were wrong. That's what big bang believers call a "success". The fact is this "temperature" was observed long before predictions by big bang believers, and they STILL got it wrong. Massive denial, faith based ideology
Astronomers already know this. Astronogers who have faith-based belief in big bang do not., Their faith clouds their judgement.
"Actually, they were all right."
Wrong. Gamow is credited with "predicting" the temperature of space using "big bang" assumptions. He made a dozen or so guesses, starting at around 4K, up to about 50K, all of which were wrong, already contradicted by direct observation. This is what big bangers call a "success".
"The CMB is what we would expect if we expanded a fairly uniform gas to the size of the universe."
Wrong. First of all, the "CMB" is not "cosmic", it is locally produced microwave radiation from our own stellar neighborhood. Second, for the observed isotropy of "CMB", assuming "big bang", Earth would have to be in the center of the universe. Geocentric universe, anyone? It's ludicrous on its face. Third, if "big bang" is true, where is this "background" radiation coming from?
"Publish your findings and refute the hundreds of peer-reviewed publications on this topic."
First, peer review is not part of science, it's an irrelevant political process. Second, I only have access to the data that's in the public domain, all of which has already been published, so the challenge you issue is already met. I don't expect evidence to sway your faith in "big bang" creationism, though. Third, eat my ass, you fucking troll.
Oh, also, the universe is not filled with "gas", it is filled with plasma. Ostensibly "neutral" matter makes up less than one percent of the universe we see, the rest is in a plasma state. None of this either supports or refutes "big bang" creationism. That we've never seen an edge to the universe suggests it is infinite in size and, so far as we can tell, ageless. We don't see any origin, so why posit an origin event? Occam's razor suggests we make no unwarranted assumptions.
@fertilizerspike The big bang was implied by evidence discovered by Edwin Hubble and later confirmed by Nobel-winning research. How would you explain red-shifted galaxies or microwave background radiation?
Not to be flippant, but I don't have to explain "red-shifted galaxies" to know that this "red-shift" is not an indicator of distance. I'm a little disappointed in your immediate appeal to authority on this issue. Nobel Prize winner Halton Arp showed in his survey of "peculiar" galaxies that this "red-shift" can not be used as a reliable indicator of either distance or of recessional velocity. He showed countless examples of high "red-shift" objects touching low "red-shift" objects.
@fertilizerspike I don't think anyone ever said that red shifting was an indicator of distance. It is described as an indicator of speed. And yes, you do have to explain red shifting. If you intend to argue that it is not evidence of cosmic inflation, you'll have to provide a different model which matches that evidence.
m theory is the one i like. i hope to be alive when/if science figures it out
merrick926 1 day ago
Well after that response I favorited and subscribed, outstanding response.
Kyee71 6 days ago
What I like about AronRa: he looks like a mean biker but acts like an educated gentleman. It's very disarming. It must drive creationists up the wall when they debate him.
ChipArgyle 1 week ago 2
Like a boss!
HengwulftheSaxon 1 week ago
Very very good video.
CarlOlav 1 week ago
Wow! That litle peice by carl sagan at the end gave me tingles.
xTheuglytruthx 1 week ago
@AronRa it’s ok for science to fill in the gaps by assuming a cosmological singularity in one book, and to assume a biological singularity in another book, but try to assume that those two scientific singularities have any connection is invalid? How is that not “picking and choosing”?
You say that just because science doesn’t know doesn’t mean that it wont know in the future. I suspect the same can be said existentially.
romney27 1 week ago
@romney27
"How is that not “picking and choosing”?"
Because you invented one of them and you're misrepresenting the other. The zero-space singularity before the Big Bang is not professed as "truth," but is merely the most accurate hypothesis we currently possess. Scientists are honest enough to admit that they don't know everything, but flawed ideas CAN still be accurate. Just look at Newtonian gravity.
Seriously...go to high school.
TheZooCrew 1 week ago
This is for the bloke asking the question at the start.
If god created everything in six days, and you beleive that. And if god created the bible through men, then you beleive in slavery and human sacrifice...because its gods word, right?
xTheuglytruthx 2 weeks ago
My understanding of dimensional physics is pretty flawed I'm sure, because it doesn't work in math. But it is a reasonable idea that upon the foundations of the lower dimensions, each is more complex than the one below it. So, it stands to reason that if dimension 3 exists, then all those above it must also exist. The question then becomes; can a dimension 5 being influence our lives here in dimension 3? If so, what might that look like?
950horsepower 2 weeks ago
I would like to see a video about how we have established the age of the earth! I was talking to a Christian friend about this and I asked if she really belived that the earth was a few thousand years old. She told me she didn't really believe you COULD establish the earth's age... I was dumbfounded. If anyone has some tips on videos, please let me know :)
JohanTW 2 weeks ago
@JohanTW
Radiometric dating is a good start. She might bring up how it's "inaccurate" without any real reason, but it's backed up by dendrochronology and other methods.
/watch?v=iGDrq8rikJc
This video is heavily sarcastic, but cdk007 is a good resource for most of this stuff.
TheZooCrew 2 weeks ago
@TheZooCrew Thanks! :)
JohanTW 2 weeks ago
the cosmos is evolving
RyanMatthias 2 weeks ago
Many variables which were still not known. So humans went the easy way and started assuming things which, just like in mathematics or basicly any subject of science or other learnings, will never lead to the correct answer. It is better to have no answer, instead of the wrong answer because the living your life by the wrong answer way might have some serious influences. With maths, your final answer will be wrong. With life, people die.
Dragonnoodle1 2 weeks ago
You spoke here of filling in the gaps of science with fairytales. You said it was an idiotic thing to do. But the essence of science is more or less finding the solution, law, rule or as some may call it:fairytale, to a so far unknown happening. Yet, science does so by taking into account many researched, repeated and demonstrated factors, which make it more plausible for such a fairytale to apply. Problem with christianity is that by the time it was formed, the formula for existence had too -
Dragonnoodle1 2 weeks ago
@AronRa It is perfectly acceptable to use the anthropic principle in biology to prove a probabilistic cause for life on earth. After all, even though the odds are incredibly small, we can see the universe is plenty big enough with enough stars to make the unlikely almost certain.
However there are a few problems using that same probabilistic cause argument for the creation of the universe. Primarily because we don't know of a single other universe, much less the nearly infinite # you imply.
redddbaron 2 weeks ago
Again, a great video. Thumbs up.
321scully 3 weeks ago
If anyone's interested on an eastern take on all of this, Ramesh Balsekar, a recently deceased guru of India, a hindu, no less, has a very interesting take on this very question, enjoy, but you've got to pay close attention, as this guy has an accent and no teeth!
/watch?v=WH6KNeI7u2g
Hanahleia 3 weeks ago
Mathematical one can get something from nothing: '0 = 1 + (-1)', so why is that some people are so sure that something can not come out from nothing?
jomen112 3 weeks ago
@jomen112 Because modern physics is showing that the total energy in the Universe is 0. A Universe From Nothing Lawerence Krauss. Go watch that and then come back and talk.
SententiaRatio 2 weeks ago
@SententiaRatio Becasue the total energy of system is zero does not mean there is nothing in the system. Go read a physics book and come back and talk.
jomen112 2 weeks ago
@jomen112 Since matter=energy and the opposite is true...yes it does mean that. If the total energy in a system is equal to zero, than you can say that the total matter of the system is equal to zero. Therefore the total amount of anything in the system is equal to zero.
SententiaRatio 2 weeks ago
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rafalbielec 3 weeks ago
7:31 Aweeesome!!! Creationsim - The belief that a magic invisible man of unknown origin living in the sky created everything out of nothing, using materials that didn't exist.
ghostrid3 3 weeks ago
Imagine not thinking about anything, completely blank. Then you suddenly think of a tree. Imagine space completely empty and blank, nothing there. Nothing there whatsoever. Suddenly, it pictures a tree. You are sitting there picturing images in your mind, suddenly you make a sound, meow. Space eventually was able to talk to itself because it developed schizophrenia. And here we are today.
sombfir 4 weeks ago
@sombfir,
NO NO NO NO NO.
You got it backwards.
Here we are today, THEN space imagine a tree, which subsequently meowed it's approval.
attheveryend 3 weeks ago
What's with the cartoon jesus ads everywhere? They're appealing to kids with a winking jesus doing the finger gun, really?
This guy doesn't understand that asking questions isn't a debate. Who told him AronRa should have to spend time answering stuff he can find online? Lazy limey lummux.
shabido1 4 weeks ago
@shabido1
>a winking jesus doing the finger gun
I think what you are referring to is "Buddy Christ", which is a parody of attempts to update the image of religion to make it appeal to more people. It comes from the comedy movie "Dogma".
321cheeseman 3 weeks ago
@321cheeseman So are the cartoon jesus ads a joke, or is it a christian site? It says download bible quotes and such...
shabido1 3 weeks ago
I can tell he's a creationist from just how single he looks
jock150 4 weeks ago
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04:14 "and theirs no evidence to imply that such things even existed"yes .....obviously.....and there never will be, you've stated numerous in this and other videos that science by it's very nature can't say any thing about a supper natural creator god even if it existed
255ad 4 weeks ago
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255ad 4 weeks ago
oh boy, i really need to start my own creationist church and make a lot of money.
Meskiagkasher 4 weeks ago
I don't seem to get enough of your vids, AronRa,,, I loved this one with the confused creationist,, it is so typical of a creationist to just mix all things up, I guess that is why they retire themselves to the idea of "God did it"... lol
exa0 1 month ago
The guy in this video believes what he believes because his parents indoctrinated him. To accept that his beliefs are nonsense and a delusion would mean accepting that his parents were either stupid, delusional or liars. Very few people can admit that about their parents.
lewisner 1 month ago
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@lewisner //The guy in this video// Who, Aron or QQOQQ?
technicallyabsurd 1 month ago
I've said it before and I will say it again: Carl Sagan is the Mr Rogers of science.
hybriddefect 1 month ago 8
I love this video
Kloudewow 1 month ago
LOL, nobody knows how the universe started, and anybody who thinks they do is an idiot.
cincinatus90 1 month ago
AronRa gives me an erection.
martyaus2905 1 month ago
That last bit with Carl Sagan is just gold - I love it!! Puts the whole thing into perspective.
damrak1969 1 month ago
In my brain- I don't know how it all began- I'm OK with suspending the anxiety of waiting for an explanation. I'll let others duke it out about the "best explanation" of how things got started- I'm just glad it did.
Commentor # 161,762
Kclaybond 1 month ago
@Kclaybond You said it- But the best explanation thus far leans to science not superstition, right?
Rabredux 1 month ago
@Rabredux I didn't mean that I considered faith and science as "competing" methods or on the same level of credibility- just that I'm practicing what all enlightened people do: wait for science to give the definitive answer. Thx Redux
Rabredux 1 month ago
can we stop calling it the big BANG and start calling it the big Woosh? cause, as Aron said, it didn'T went bang. its a rapid expansion. Big Woosh would cause less misunderstanding
ErgoProxy12345 1 month ago
I find it amazing that creationists can say with a straight face "How can you believe everything came from NOTHING? That's unpossible!"
That isn't what the Big Bang Theory says, but even if it did, how is "something came from nothing" crazier than "something came from nothing....then that something poofed another something into existence with magic"
It's ludicrous.
RockBanned 1 month ago
@RockBanned
Creationists have plenty of experience with dishonesty. It's nothing new to them.
They know they don't stand a chance fighting against actual science like evolution or the Big Bang, so instead they lie about what they are and knock down their straw men.
TheZooCrew 1 month ago
@TheZooCrew But a lot of the time I don't think it's dishonesty or lying. I just think they just don't think about what they really believe. They simply don't see creationism as "something coming from nothing" and just accept as fact that God is eternal or something.
RockBanned 1 month ago
@RockBanned
I consider what you describe to be willful ignorance, which I put in the same basket as dishonesty.
TheZooCrew 1 month ago
@TheZooCrew Perhaps, but I see it more as just plain old ignorance. I don't think they're actively thinking "Ok, I know the BBT and science are actually right so I'm just going to lie about what I actually believe" I think they (and not all of course) are just good at compartmentalizing their beliefs. That's how you get someone like Francis Collins who is a brilliant scientist, but he also believes in God and has a very unscientific reason for why he believes in, say, the Trinity.
RockBanned 1 month ago
@RockBanned
It's one thing to have faith in things that science doesn't comment on, but it's something else entirely to assert that one's convictions trump reality.
TheZooCrew 1 month ago
You are rocking back and forward in your seat. That is called 'comfort rocking' and is a symptom of childish insecurity. Grow up and get a life!
osiris7nz 1 month ago
This guy is now an Atheist I think.
pat5168 1 month ago
Yeah, what a coincidence i ran into this, this is they guy who became increasingly more reasonable in his understanding about the natural world and the concept of a benevolent god and hell.. and who is now indeed (just now) having more then doubts about his by now already reasonable deism... Inspiring stuff....
pegasusfreedom 1 month ago
Andy is no longer a Christian! Spread the good news!
JoeLaTurkeyIII 1 month ago
@JoeLaTurkeyIII
Who the heck is Andy? More importantly, is a top or a bottom?
CaptainSmallFoot 1 month ago
@CaptainSmallFoot,
This guy is healthycabby on youtube,
And now he quit religion. AronRa FTW.
attheveryend 1 month ago 25
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255ad 4 weeks ago
@attheveryend How do you know he "quit religion"?
StigmatiX 2 weeks ago
@attheveryend How do you know he "quit religion"?
StigmatiX 2 weeks ago
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@attheveryend How do you know he "quit religion"?
StigmatiX 2 weeks ago
So the Christians argument boils down to "I don't understand, Therefore God exist." imagine that.
stringtheory9991 1 month ago
I believe the "big bang" was the result of a hyper-massive (more massive than a super-massive) black hole when most of its mass was converted to energy by negative mass aka Hawking radiation. The "bang" was so energetic that it simply pushed aside any space/time that laid outside its event horizon thus forming our expanding universe. (This is just my personal opinion.)
mjh012363 1 month ago
this is a classic
ZZzzzzzWhat 1 month ago
It's frustrating when you do your best to explain to them, but their only reply is to repeat ad nauseum the misconception that you just clarified. But if we don't do what we can, then things will only get worse.
beezle13 1 month ago
"I am a Christian, I am a Creationist..." I'm a cunt?
Seldomsleeper 2 months ago
I waited until the video was over to get my snack, because this is good shit.
SheepDog707 2 months ago
This idiot is saying the same dumb things yet again.
Thats because these retards dont have any logical arguments.
gorilla199uncensored 2 months ago
I showed this to my Christian friend once. He told me, "How can you put your faith in someone who looks a stupid and homeless as that?" This is where I said, "Really? I think he looks like Jesus."
MrXenetics 2 months ago 87
@MrXenetics Holy shit did he listen with his eyes or ears? buy anyway you proved him double wrong :)
vincentXXX666 2 months ago
@MrXenetics Tell your friend to take the video away and to focus on what is being said. After that, tell him to stop being a judgmental prick. ;)
1KOOLRIFF 1 month ago
@MrXenetics Haha I get that all the time with my long hair, I use that exact same response. Plus last time I checked homeless men didn't have clean hair and shaven faces xD
stoicfan 1 month ago
@MrXenetics haha brilliant :P
Knallfox 1 month ago
@MrXenetics
funny because isn't one of the 10 commands thou shall not jugde?
ShooterCinema 1 month ago
@ShooterCinema no....
mattasaurus1 1 month ago
@mattasaurus1
my mistake, but i belive it said that only god could jugde something similair anyway
ShooterCinema 1 month ago
@MrXenetics thats realy funny, thank you for the joke.
tiagom135 4 weeks ago
@MrXenetics Perfect comeback my friend, perfect comeback.
KanyeAirJordans 2 weeks ago
@MrXenetics BAM!
2010paultron 2 weeks ago
Not an easy question indeed mr sagan and I'm proud I'm on the right side of it. God sucks.
ounb 2 months ago
I just want to post, because I think this is one of the best posts on youtube! Go Science ; Go Sagin : Go AronRa ; Go Dawkins : Go free thinking human souls!
As for you relgious people out there...Don't be stuborn...exercise your mind!
sirdavidbowie 2 months ago
@sirdavidbowie god bless sagin aronra and dawkins..hahah.. free-thinkers rule!
akosihelbert 2 months ago
Nice ending with Carl Sagan. Very well said.
omgwtfbbqxD 2 months ago
The christian is consuming resources. All so it can sit there and be superstitious. I think air and food should be earned.
699backstab 2 months ago
I like you Aron. Subscribing
DivShadow 2 months ago
SO THE BEGINNING AND ENDING IS A ILLUSION EVERYTHING WAS ALWAYS THERE AND EVERYTHING WILL ALWAYS BE THERE someone please help me my mind is fucked
Abbadon380 2 months ago
i am all about science however with a little common sense we can see a afterlife exists. I would like to pull a case study i investigated, about people who official died and flat lined for longer than 5 min, and every one tells about floating over the body, the light and utter peace, others talk about falling and going into fear and torment shall i continue how i believe in a god?
hinc1mike 2 months ago
@hinc1mike
This "case study" that you likely didn't actually investigate has nothing to do with the afterlife and everything to do with the brain's reaction to oxygen starvation from heart failure.
TheZooCrew 2 months ago
@TheZooCrew great im glad you bite on my hook :) ok, how about one instance where doctors were baffled by the fact that one women flat lined and was legally dead in the hospital, the doctors were tring to get her back to life, she says an angel took her in the air and heard everything the doctors were saying and when she came back to life she reapeated to the docs what they were saying, they were amazed, if the body is dead, and there are no more sences how could this happen?
hinc1mike 2 months ago
@TheZooCrew like im not a pro on human biology but i know enough to engage in the topic, when the body dies there's no more senses, no more site, hearing, touch feel etc, yes there are electric currents that still occur in the brian but there is no sense perception once the body's dead.
and one more thing i will give you to ponder, every human on earth experienced a de ja vu, this ties into the fact that our lives are already predetermined by god and this does not eliminate free will
hinc1mike 2 months ago
You can ignite passion for learning and science.
Neanderthalcouzin 2 months ago
this guy is so thick,"all evolutionists believe in the big bang" what does evolution have to do with cosmology ??you just cant win with people like this!!!!!.
tony671 2 months ago
@tony671 but it is true. If you are an evolutionist you are open to realism, and the big bang is the best theory we have yet. Truth is relevant.
Mejjad 2 months ago
The funny thing about atomic particles is that they are not the result of a "creation event." They are the inevitable result of instability in nature collapsing into a more stable configuration.
To illustrate this point, consider what happens to several apples balanced on the edge of a bowl. If left alone, they will fall into or out of the bowl. Those apples that fall away become lone apples, and those that fall in conglomerate into what one might call a super-apple from a distance.
attheveryend 2 months ago
This AronRa guy is obviously just ignorant. Honestly, how is this logic flawed-- we don't understand all of the complex inner workings of the universe; therefore, a magical floating sky daddy did it. See it works like this:
1. something we don't understand.
2. ??????
3. god did it.
Now do you people understand the perfectly reasonable premises I have asserted?
TheLogicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
This is excellent Aron. Thanks.
StarDustSid 2 months ago
haha I think people have been brainwashed and manipulated since childhood.. Its exactly like a cult..If it was true about a god, why are there sooo many religions? right! There would only be ONE! CAUSE ITS REAL. If there was a GOD, which would be silly and uneducated to even think.. There would be enormous amount of prove. In the end people are just scared to not believe, I guess. What ever you accomplish in life was because of your doing. period!
stylesbypremo 2 months ago
i recently heard from a phycisist whos name i can't recall that there was time before the big bang.
Aldelirium 2 months ago
@Aldelirium i once heard from a guy who heard from a guy who's best friends with a physicist and HE says there's no such thing as gravity.
tuseroni 2 months ago
@tuseroni ..I.
Aldelirium 2 months ago
Science now can give us a good picture of what happened before the big bang. 2 dimensions - or branes, in our 11-dimensional universe collided and the matter and energy of our universe came from that collision.
Gravity, it seems, could well be a force which leaks into our three dimensions, and only the tiniest fraction of it, from one or more of the other dimensions.
Check out 11-dimensional theory.
M0b1u5 3 months ago
it's magic! golden
naughteedesign 3 months ago
I thought it was an excellent presentation of the Big Bang. Easy to grasp with all of the animation...two thumbs up!
SunsetStarship 3 months ago
Aron Ra FTW! Where do all these mindless Creationists get the idea that they should initiate a debate with someone 10X their intellectual equal? Where does it get them? How does posting a moronic video to the world demonstrating one's immense lack of understanding of reality help reaffirm their belief in fairy tales? Epic Creationist FAIL!!!
blackestjake 3 months ago
big bang is fake believe in islam :)
channeldz 3 months ago
@channeldz Can you prove that the big bang is fake?
sandcut1 2 months ago
@sandcut1 Nope, Can't I'm Not a scientist , but i believe that God has made evrithing and we are made from earth
channeldz 2 months ago
@channeldz What proved it to you then?
sandcut1 2 months ago
@sandcut1 The Quran proved it to me :D
channeldz 2 months ago
@sandcut1 How can you make an assertion that the big bang is fake, you said it yourself you are not a scientist. Do you have anything at all to back up your claim that the big bang is fake.
sandcut1 2 months ago
@sandcut1
channeldz is a prime example of why I assert that most creationists are mentally ill in some capacity. They somehow think that when reality conflicts with their preferred mythology, then reality must be wrong and everyone involved must be lying. It's textbook paranoia.
TheZooCrew 2 months ago
@TheZooCrew agreed,creationists are delusional.
sandcut1 2 months ago
The paradox of nothingness and the case for the new deism short version-
reasonandspiritDOTcom/forum/6-reason-a-spirit-in-our-daily-lives/1542-very-short-version-of-paradox-of-nothingness
stretmediq 3 months ago
hmmmm, strange.... why do so many prominent scientists believe in a god? These werent nobody scientists , they were men ahead of their time...
zestydude87 3 months ago
@zestydude87
Because people who discovery critical things about this world are still human and can be wildly wrong.
What you're proposing is called an argument from authority.
TheZooCrew 3 months ago
You're awesome!!!
enalopez26 3 months ago
We cannot explain where matter came from..so lets create God ! How novel that sounds, but this is what mankind has done ! How long will it take humanity to get out of this fairytale mess ? Ask yourself this question "Why am I religious"..be truthful and admit you have been indoctrinated from being a child. Not everyone of course bur the vast majority of the human race. This is a tragedy. The world would be a far better place without the fear of a religious concept.
brindow1 3 months ago
I love the use of Dara in your video. He's one of my favourite comedians.
Pazma1 3 months ago
Lol... explain to me EVERYTHING, or "magic" is 100% reasonable.
Callirgos1 3 months ago 33
@Callirgos1 magic? ok guy, well everything has a cause don't it? We know that from nothing, nothing comes.So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, Something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence.
cheers.
MrJesse12593 1 month ago
@MrJesse12593
"well everything has a cause don't it?"
Actually, no.
"Something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God."
That's a total rejection of Occam's Razor and an unsubstantiated claim. It is much more logical and evident to say that matter/energy (they are really the same thing) always existed.
TheZooCrew 1 month ago
@TheZooCrew if you're a 100% sure that there's no "cause", then where's your evidence, so that's how everything started and caused life as well, and you're the only man alive that knows it... matter/energy all have a cause, that doesn't even make sense. cause and effect is all around you but that's ok we'll find out what caused everything someday i think what you said is ridiculous tho.
cheers
MrJesse12593 1 month ago
@MrJesse12593
I'm not 100% sure there was no cause. I never said that.
"matter/energy all have a cause"
Where's YOUR evidence? We've never seen matter/energy created. There's nothing to suggest that that laws of conservation can be violated.
"cause and effect is all around you "
And it also isn't...there are several causeless quantum events.
Funny how you don't apply your strict standard of scrutiny to your own beliefs.
TheZooCrew 1 month ago
@TheZooCrew It would be enlightening if you could explain HOW something could literally appear out of nothing. I could accept that something can appear from 'nothing' that consists of something that we do not understand or cannot detect, but appearing from 'nothing-nothing' does not compute because it negates the meaning of nothing..
MrJesse12593 1 month ago
@MrJesse12593
"It would be enlightening if you could explain HOW something could literally appear out of nothing."
This is a current field of intensive study and it costs the rest of us thousands of dollars in tuition. This wasn't my assertion, either...I merely stated that we observe causeless events.
".I believe there is cause for every effect"
But this is merely belief despite the current evidence. Again, you don't apply your ludicrous standard of scrutiny to your own beliefs
TheZooCrew 1 month ago
@TheZooCrew .I believe there is cause for every effect, even at the quantum level. The fact that we are unable to discern or measure that cause does not, in my opinion, negate the likelihood that there was a cause.
MrJesse12593 1 month ago
@MrJesse12593
Why are you assuming it's nothing?
Callirgos1 1 month ago
@Callirgos1 "existence itself was squished into this one infinite unit, so asking what happened in a universe that didn't yet exist at a time before there was time..blah blah" huh? so in other words - "existence itself randomly appeared "..
how is that any different than asking where everything came from? let me rephrase..where did IT (existence) come from?
pf bronze age? we're limited to understand a higher being but yet this asshole makes sense?
HE calls it magic, its outside of our realm!!
MrJesse12593 1 month ago
Hi Aron.
Found a video here with somone that claims that you are lying.
Don't know if you are aware of it. But here are the video in question.
watch?v=4TWVMKMH-zc&feature=feedrec_grec_index
I do reckon there are many ppl, that would love to catch you lying.
Since it is what creatards do all the time, and HAVE to, in order to keep up the myth.
BelieveNoGod 3 months ago
Hard to believe that AronRa and this guy are on the same evolutionary path .... I guess some are farther along the path.
faircompetition1 3 months ago
#1 If everything had to have a beginning explain where god came from remembering that if he just always existed then the same answers could also be used for the universe. Who created god? If something as perfect and advanced as god did not need a creator then neither did the universe
faircompetition1 3 months ago
I love at the start, how he's like "ok Aron you give this your best shot and then I'll come back with my counter-arguments" - like it's going to be a meeting of intellectual equals lol. You got no argument, counter-argument ar any kind of a clue.
mahmoudyzadeh 3 months ago
@QQOQQ Sir, for the millionth time. The theory of evolution has nothing to do with where the matter came from or how the world came to existence. Evolutionists study the changes in genetical make up of species as they undergo changes in various factors like competition for food or change in weather. Second, no religious person knows where matter came from, either. In fact, you only know of God because other people (most likely, parents) taught you. The same people who told you about Santa Claus.
Murchik1985 3 months ago
I paused to go get a snack because this is good shit.
Dubickimus 3 months ago 41
Mommy, where did I come from? Really. A man of your age. For shame.
fdasherv 3 months ago
This explanation is also blowing my mind
DevilChao5 3 months ago
Thorough, lol
DevilChao5 3 months ago
instead of killing ,spoiling lives,destroying ,sending under earth ,hells ,if some place is given far away from india .and some thing are done for better to improve the qualities of humans and souls .so that every one can live .
request and pray ---every human every soul either good or bad ,angle or evil ,sinner,demon , god or devil every one want to live as a good humanbeing --please save
bgupta2001 3 months ago
in india ,tamilnadu ,human souls are taken under earth ,under rocks ,even to several thousnds kilometers under rocks,taking old revenges ,vengenes ,conspirancies ,polatics and given different shapes .in sevrages and made like aliens .taking under earth and beating and burning .please save to every one,every molecules and request to bring all the souls ,creatures from under earth to on earth .and requests to request not to spoil souls and humans.please save from pains sufferings
bgupta2001 3 months ago
request you and to request-- souls ,grand souls, microsouls or any molecules of human or any creatures should not be taken under earth or any hell for any punishment ,any kind of torturings ,sufferings .and requests, what ever punishment ,should be given on the earth only .requests you to come forward to make to bring back every souls every molecules of humans fron under earth and hell and save everyone good or bad
bgupta2001 3 months ago
requests you to request to ---
there should not be any hell under earth .if any punishment is given it should be given on the earth only .any souls ,even any molecules should not be taken under earth , sevarages or any hell under earth , for punishment ,any sufferings ,or any kind of torturings .request you to come forward . so far what ever souls has been taken under earth and hells make to bring back on the earth even single molecule also.
bgupta2001 3 months ago
"We can't get something from nothing". Actually, you CAN. You can, thanks to quantum fluctuations and their production of virtual particles even in a perfect vacuum =D
gunnerfan87 3 months ago
Carl Sagan. ♥
CJones990 3 months ago
You need a haircut :)
MuslimRationalizer 3 months ago
@MuslimRationalizer You need a life. :)
CJones990 3 months ago
you do know that Quantum fluctuations does not take place in nothingness. It actually takes place out of a larger quantum field ,which is a part of physical reality, that enables particles to come in and out of existence, so you would need to address that.
Then, maybe provide some evidence for these supposed baby universes or at least a way for me to falsify your claims in principle if not with evidence.
BreakoutLuceal 3 months ago
@BreakoutLuceal
There's a reason that cosmologists still have jobs.
The Big Bang is currently a hot topic of study. However, galactic redshifts and the CMB cannot be explained by anything else. Your question has a built-in straw man and the failure to effectively answer the real question is not an argument for the existence of a deity, as you're implying.
TheZooCrew 3 months ago
@TheZooCrew
WoW Wow wow. I did not ask him a question but just responded to the guy on this channel's claim. I don't understand how you can assume so much that I have not even said or addressed.
BreakoutLuceal 3 months ago
@BreakoutLuceal
"I don't understand how you can assume so much that I have not even said or addressed."
Mostly from the same question you spammed all over other videos, as clearly seen in your recent activity.
TheZooCrew 3 months ago
@BreakoutLuceal
"I don't understand how you can assume so much that I have not even said or addressed."
Mostly from the same question you spammed all over other videos, as clearly seen in your recent activity.
TheZooCrew 3 months ago
@TheZooCrew
Well for one thing, I am just trying to start a dialogue on the current state of available evidence. Secondly, you are basing it on an unwarranted assumption without giving me the benefit of doubt. Nevertheless, Can you answer my question or not?
BreakoutLuceal 3 months ago
@BreakoutLuceal
Instead of starting a dialogue, you could GO TO SCHOOL. Most universities have physics programs.
TheZooCrew 3 months ago
@TheZooCrew
2. Do you or do you not accept that there is a cause for the singularity to expand? Just answer the question and stop dodging it.
BreakoutLuceal 3 months ago
@TheZooCrew said:
"However, galactic redshifts and the CMB cannot be explained by anything else."
False. I've already explained in comments here how it can be explained without resorting to "big bang", and I've explained how "big bang" did not even anticipate it or require it.
fertilizerspike 3 months ago
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BreakoutLuceal 3 months ago
Carl Sagan was a boss. RIP.
ShavedKnuckle 4 months ago
Big bang is an absurd creationist myth, I'm utterly dumbfounded that AronRa doesn't see that it's essentially the genesis myth from the bible without mentioning god. It's an idea that was invented by a belgian priest, not a scientist. It is an utterly unscientific notion entirely bereft of evidence supporting it. There's no reason to suspect the universe even had an origin, so why posit one?
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@fertilizerspike
I think you're mistaken.
The Big Bang is about the expansion of the universe, not the origin.
It was first developed by Friedmann and modified by Lemaitre.
The Big Bang has a tremendous amount of evidence, the most key parts being redshifting galaxies and the CMB. The universe definitely expanded from a central point. But this doesn't mean it had an origin.
TheZooCrew 4 months ago
@TheZooCrew said:
"I think you're mistaken."
You think wrongly.
There is absolutely no evidence supporting big bang creation myths. The "redshift" of celestial objects has been shown by Arp and others to be an intrinsic property and has absolutely nothing to do with distance of recessional velocity. You need to do a lot more research into big bang mythology before you run your mouth about it like it's science, because it is not. There is nothing scientific about "big bang" mythology.
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@fertilizerspike
"You need to do a lot more research into big bang mythology before you run your mouth about it like it's science, because it is not."
I'm a space systems engineer, dickbag. The same science that concerns the Big Bang is the same science that allows us to launch spacecraft that work.
TheZooCrew 4 months ago
@TheZooCrew said:
"I'm a space systems engineer, dickbag."
I'm really proud of you.
"The same science that concerns the Big Bang is the same science that allows us to launch spacecraft that work."
Big bang creationism is not science. The operation of launch vehicles has fuck all to do with big bang and doesn't rely one jot on big bang creationism being valid, which it is not. I think you're confused to a great degree, your faith in big bang clouds your judgement.
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@TheZooCrew
The "CMB" is not evidence of big bang. Believers cite the "temperature" of this radiation (which is local) as being in accordance with predictions made by a big bang believer. The person in question made may "predictions" of the temperature of the universe, all of which were wrong. That's what big bang believers call a "success". The fact is this "temperature" was observed long before predictions by big bang believers, and they STILL got it wrong. Massive denial, faith based ideology
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@fertilizerspike
"The "CMB" is not evidence of big bang."
Tell that to every astronomer.
"The person in question made may "predictions" of the temperature of the universe, all of which were wrong."
Actually, they were all right. The CMB is what we would expect if we expanded a fairly uniform gas to the size of the universe.
"Massive denial, faith based ideology"
Fine. Publish your findings and refute the hundreds of peer-reviewed publications on this topic.
TheZooCrew 4 months ago
@TheZooCrew said:
"Tell that to every astronomer."
Astronomers already know this. Astronogers who have faith-based belief in big bang do not., Their faith clouds their judgement.
"Actually, they were all right."
Wrong. Gamow is credited with "predicting" the temperature of space using "big bang" assumptions. He made a dozen or so guesses, starting at around 4K, up to about 50K, all of which were wrong, already contradicted by direct observation. This is what big bangers call a "success".
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@TheZooCrew said:
"The CMB is what we would expect if we expanded a fairly uniform gas to the size of the universe."
Wrong. First of all, the "CMB" is not "cosmic", it is locally produced microwave radiation from our own stellar neighborhood. Second, for the observed isotropy of "CMB", assuming "big bang", Earth would have to be in the center of the universe. Geocentric universe, anyone? It's ludicrous on its face. Third, if "big bang" is true, where is this "background" radiation coming from?
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@TheZooCrew said:
"Publish your findings and refute the hundreds of peer-reviewed publications on this topic."
First, peer review is not part of science, it's an irrelevant political process. Second, I only have access to the data that's in the public domain, all of which has already been published, so the challenge you issue is already met. I don't expect evidence to sway your faith in "big bang" creationism, though. Third, eat my ass, you fucking troll.
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@TheZooCrew
Oh, also, the universe is not filled with "gas", it is filled with plasma. Ostensibly "neutral" matter makes up less than one percent of the universe we see, the rest is in a plasma state. None of this either supports or refutes "big bang" creationism. That we've never seen an edge to the universe suggests it is infinite in size and, so far as we can tell, ageless. We don't see any origin, so why posit an origin event? Occam's razor suggests we make no unwarranted assumptions.
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@fertilizerspike
Dude, you have some serious issues.
Are you honestly supporting Hoyle's steady-state universe?
TheZooCrew 4 months ago
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@TheZooCrew said:
"Dude, you have some serious issues."
Speak for yourself and your own "issues"
"Are you honestly supporting Hoyle's steady-state universe?"
No. I don't see evidence that anything in the universe is in a "steady state".
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@fertilizerspike The big bang was implied by evidence discovered by Edwin Hubble and later confirmed by Nobel-winning research. How would you explain red-shifted galaxies or microwave background radiation?
AronRa 4 months ago 12
@AronRa
Not to be flippant, but I don't have to explain "red-shifted galaxies" to know that this "red-shift" is not an indicator of distance. I'm a little disappointed in your immediate appeal to authority on this issue. Nobel Prize winner Halton Arp showed in his survey of "peculiar" galaxies that this "red-shift" can not be used as a reliable indicator of either distance or of recessional velocity. He showed countless examples of high "red-shift" objects touching low "red-shift" objects.
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@fertilizerspike
One correction, Arp is not a Nobel Prize winner, I was confusing him with somebody else.
fertilizerspike 4 months ago
@fertilizerspike I don't think anyone ever said that red shifting was an indicator of distance. It is described as an indicator of speed. And yes, you do have to explain red shifting. If you intend to argue that it is not evidence of cosmic inflation, you'll have to provide a different model which matches that evidence.
AronRa 4 month