Ephesians 5:31 simply repeats what's mentioned in the Book of Genesis which is the OLD TESTAMENT. The OLD testmanent is the same place that ALSO mentions a man can have two wives. It's also the place where NO man ever gets punished for polygamy or gets called an adulterer and where God even blessed polygamists like Jacob, King David, etc.
Sex OUTSIDE Marriage is forbidden in scripture . If the two people are married to each other , then there is no sin . There is no rule reguarding the number of people a person can be married to . The women are also married to each other . by the way . All parties in a marriage are married to all other parties in the marriage .
@assaultmek Good point . and yes mosaic law is now Mosaic principle , since the new covenant , I am a firm believer that a man (or woman ) who chooses a plural marriage , has not done anything terribly wrong , yet the state vilifies them . If the state want to interfere between a man and his wife , then the most it should punish them is misdemenour . ... A small once only fine should be enough to satisfy the ego of the bureaucrat .
I wouldn't accept assaultmek's point regarding the Bible saying stick to your WIFE and not WIVES. I'd want to know the passage, the context, and how assaultmek's explains this in light of the passages that mention polygamy is okay. Otherwise, he's really not providing a good answer but rather is giving a contradictory answer or an answer that leaves out passage and includes others, likely the ones that he agrees with.
You mention 1 Timothy 3:2, 12 as speaking against polygamy. Did you read the context which clearly states specific church positions of leadership? Why should I take instruction that applies to a certain role and apply it to everyone? If wives and slaves are to be submissive, are you going to say that HUSBANDS need to be submissive, as well? Are you going to say that a WOMAN bishop has to be the HUSBAND of one wife like 1 Timothy 3:2,12 mentions for MEN?
We are not under the 'system' of the Mosaic law but some of it's principles still apply, like to not sin (Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7). The laws dealing with behavior, especially sexual behavior still apply. You mention Scripture saying that a husband is to stick to his 'wife' and not 'wives'. Where does Scripture say this? Have you considered that there are exceptions since SCRIPTURE also mentions its okay to have WIVES, and the author didn't elaborate in that ONE passage?
@Obadiahmessenger2011 Jealousy can vary from person to person. While you may get jealous for a given situation that doesn't mean everyone else will. Study up on Swingers or I can email you some resources. You'll see that some of them experience little to no jealousy in their non-monogamous lifestyle. If a poly woman has jealousy, she needs to work on resolving it just as we would work on jealousy in a monogamous relationship.
having many wives is completely opposes the Word of God! what is the essence of adultery here? why God forbid us to commit adultery, if we can have many wives? Titus 1:6 --- If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children...
Read Titus 1:5 which is the context. The passage you're referring to is talking about a Church position and not every Christian. It mentions to "appoint" an "elder". Not everyone is appointed as a church elder. If God told women that they are to be submissive, you're going to say that applies to all Christians, including men also?
Can someone please ans. this question for me? Respectfully Please! Why is it that people scoff at adults in a committed poly marriage without abuse, yet have no issues with SSM or promiscuity? Our society glorifies promiscuity and that is deemed okay until you want to settle down but this is wrong? Please ans somebody. Respectfully please!
Hypocrisy plays a role along with misunderstanding. People also tend to see polygamy as just a man taking advantage and brainwashing women since it's usually the man who has the multiple partners. Some people don't get that there are some women who also want polygamy as multiple wives, as well. If they focus on more than just the sex life they'd see that there's also social benefits between the women.
@BayouBluesMan twisted sluts? where did you get that from? from the video its 2 women and a man not the other way around. you really should do a mormon search.i know alot about mormons because i did alot of research on them because they were talking to my brother about their church and blah blah.
The Bible and the Koran are both pro-polygamy. Can't say that The Origin of the Species is anti polygamy either. Anyone have anything that justifies laws against polygamy?
After it was "officially" stopped in Utah, the Romney's fled the US to Mexico (illegally) to keep polygamy.
Mitt is a Mormon bishop, a descendant of 1 of the original Joe Smith apostles and whose g-gramps illegally fled to Mexico to stay ahead of US law (STiLL has Mexican cousins - look it up! - Mitt's dad = 1st MexicanAmerican candidate for Prez)
One of Mitt's gramps who married his 12th wife got shot dead by the husband of of the last woman he had a "celestial" marriage with
Stupid double standards...... for the women its like ok, your going to cheat on me, bring her home.....and than you'll marry her, ill consider her my sister wife, and learn to either hate her or love her? what kind of shit is that???
Those that say Mormons or members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints with headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah; are lying, Poligamists do no have anything to do with us. We do not practice nor teach poligamy as a modern principle to be lived!
@rubenlds Actually, Joseph Smith said that polygamy was an eternal doctrine. Secondly, they believe that Joseph Smith is a prophet just like other mormons. Sounds to me, like they are mormons too. Maybe the SLC mormon church should stop trying to advertise themselves as christian...because they're obviously not...
When I heard Canada enacted Anti-Poly laws, I thought things where going to swing out of control because SSM was already legalized. Well they did, but for another reason: the laws encompased both Polygamy & Polyamory. Thus, the secular Poly folks too ended paying for the abuse that was found in Polygamy. Some1 screwed up, bad. This secular modernization of Poly changes everything. Its interesting & I plan to keep an eye on how this story unfolds & the impacts it will surely have.
Is this lady a Polygamous (Polygamy) or a Polyamorous (Polyamory) wife? If she happens to be Canadian, then that Q now matters. Poly's a hot issue in SSM legal Canada, w/ the latests round of events (currently happening) pushing Polyamory in the right direction since CPAA said they are happy. But Polygamy remains uncertien for all too familiar reasons. This lady apeards to be a Polyamorist now being recongnized as a seperate entity from religious Polygamy in Canada.
A slut sleeps around. From what I can tell these women were honest with each other and sex occurred until after the wife approved and likely after the 2nd marriage. It's also part of nature to be attracted to multiple people, although it's when people try to act on it in a DISHONEST way (cheating, without their current spouse or bf or gf knowing and approving) is when the problem starts.
@goatsmilk234 Most what I heard against polygamy is God doesn't approve of it and makes women like sex slaves. I disagree with both points from anti-polygamists, of course. Polygamy is biblically moral and it can be practiced to where it's not all about the man or all about sexual exploitation. There already good examples of polygamy where ALL adults (women included) have a choice to start poly and the guy has 'emotional involvement with the wives and financially supports his wives.
She seems happy. I have no problem with these adults that make the choice. It's when you get into the camps (wth they're called!) and involving children or women who don't have a choice. That's messed up. Anyway, bottom line, I don't see where the government has the right to intervene in adult relationships.
@MargieMama Unfortunately such law keeps my husband from meeting my parrents, they are too sick and old travel, it keeps him from visiting my country, forces me to live in his country, and because of it i had to face many missconceptions, even threatenings. It's so sad to be religiously discriminated by the laws of you country...
Please look up the video "Sexual revolution and alternative lifestyles in the future" to see that polygamy will gain ground in the western world due more to economic realities than to religion.
The Mormon Prophet Brigham young had 26 wives all under 18 years of age when he married them? He used to say, "I don't care how you bring 'em as long as you bring 'em young!"
Mormons are taught to give their TESTIMONY it goes something like this: I HAVE A BURNING IN MY BOSSOM. This is a PAT ANSWER something they are taught to say in a response that is a way they can defend their beliefs and is suspose to make everything valid no matter what. When I have a Burning in my Bossom I take ROLAIDS and it GOES AWAY! THE BIBLE is the answer; the Book of Mormon is FALSE. When you modify/change the Word of God to suit YOUR BELIEF STRUCTURE YOU ARE A CULT! There not Christians
I'm a geek. Let me come out an say that right now. By the by, it's a matter of prestige among my colleagues. I would like to recall Phlox (not the flower) from Star Trek Enterprise. He is a Denobulan. Among his species, each man has three wives and each woman three husbands. How about that! Well, that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see how the courts would deal with it. Polygamy would be a mess and would just create a lot more work for lawyers--among a slew of other social ills.
@MinisterAilingTongue Not a big problem. Wait until biotechnology really stirs things up in 20 years! Men will become obsolete for the most part and maybe women will desire to life in polygamist societies for economic and social reasons. Of course the Japanese are already working on robots that will service the left-over males who will not measure up for reproductive opportunities.
@edwardsson777 Funny. Are all you Mormon swine social Darwinists? I know the answer is NO. You happen to be wearing your hypocrisy on your sleeve. I said I was a geek. Some of my fellow geeks competed in wrestling at the state level in high school. You clearly don't know what a geek is. Geeks run marathons and win decathlons etc. I used to run four to six miles a day in high school, but now I'm too busy..."lazy" some call it. FUCK YOU. That should have been my entire comment!
@edwardsson777 You'd better keep your schizophrenic ideas to yourself or else find some brain dead bitch to inseminate. Of course, I don't give one iota of a fuck what your do. None of the girls I know would give you the time of day. They're not impressed by trash talk and social Darwinian polygamist pigs. The only insult I've incurred in this (or any youtube exchange for that matter) is that I'm having a fucktard dispute over youtube. All I feel for you is pity.
@MinisterAilingTongue You really have a problem with women don't you...I mean the whole "b" word and your angry words certainly convey that. Oh, and I doubt you have a clue as to what the DSM is so I will not even reply to your schizophrenic charge. Oh, and can you please find a way to express yourself without profanity as there may be some youngster doing a sociology class report on polygamy and your ranting is just...well, you understand.
I found an interesting interview of 3 people living in the polyamory lifestyle. It's in my profile in the video playlist. It's called Polyamory interview - it should be the last video in the list.
Now imagine if one of them decided she wanted to take another husband into the deal...
This is pure and utter use of women and being a whore monger while justifying it by ancent tribal scripts that are not even in the bible...
So they changed the bible.
It goes against human nature and either the woman doesn't care because she doesn't give a sheit about him, or she WILL care to the point that she will fight.
You can't bypass that, no matter how hard you try.
If a wife finds someone attractive other than her husband then that's not a problem. That's NATURE that even if you're in a relationship that you will find others to be attractive and to even be your type. And if the wife has the consent of ALL adults involved then she can get another husband. The only wrong is when people try to get another partner or spouse without the CONSENT of all adults involved, and they do it through DISHONESTY and CHEATING like many do nowadays.
But it is very hard to have the discipline to tell your partner that you are falling in love with some person you just met. Even for me it is very hard because of the years of monogamy conditioning creates this reflection not to tell. And the longer you wait the harder it gets.
She says that there could be a difference between religious polyamorists and none-religious polyamorists. All the people I know are none-religious polyamorists.
Just got a response from one of my polyamore friends in regard to the no rules and unlimited seks claims.
She said: "No he is mistaken with swingers"
I honestly think that either you imagined the claims because you misread the answers or you somehow discovered a groups that happens to have unlimited sex.
@obaeyens I'm not imagening anything, I know what I know from them and you can either believe me or not. That's your choice. They told me they seperated sex from love and it shows. Many human beings do. That's that.
- They told me they seperated sex from love and it shows. -
That is the hallmark of swingers.
There is a slider between polyamory and swingers. You seem to have caught a group that has swinger tendencies. Of all polies I know, direct and indirect, there is no one that has this unlimited sex with strangers that is not part of the relationship mentality.
@obaeyens Well it's not like they have swinging parties or anything of the sort. But I guess they could be compared to swingers in a way by their "morals". They are just a polyamorous group that can have sexual partners outside of that group and even start a relationship outside of the group and no one would care. I don't know how to explain this.
- They are just a polyamorous group that can have sexual partners outside of that group and even start a relationship outside of the group and no one would care. -
I really think you misunderstand what they really said.
Yes some polyamore people have the freedom to have have other sex dates. But only because the poly family agreed on that it is allowed. And depending on the agreement he must report on who he had a sex-date with or not.
@obaeyens They never said anything of the sort. Maybe that's how the ones you know work, but the ones I know never said anything of reporting anything back or getting any kind of permision.
@obaeyens I finally got a message from one of them and they basically the same thing I said before. When it came to sexual partners it didnt matter as long as they wore protection.
- of that group and even start a relationship outside of the group and no one would care. -
Depend on the poly family agreement. In some families you are not allowed to bring in others. In most cases they have the freedom but ONLY after ALL people in the relationship know about this and gives a go. And it is also within reason. When you have more than 3 partners then you will probably get a NO since it reduces the quality of the family.
I already got responses back from other poly people. These people say basically the same thing, they do not recognize a polyamory pattern in your claims.
However SOME poly families can be just like you said, but it is not very common. The majority of the poly families are not even online in forums or Youtube clips. The more sexual active are represented in internet blogs and clips.
What also can happen is that a family that started with swinging, open relationships or even BDSM, ends up as a poly family in the end because they know each other so much that loves starts. These people still continue with swinging, but also have a polyamore character. It is a slider between polyamore and swinging. Most people are in between. If you are above 50% then you are singer with poly attributes, if you are below 50% you are poly with swinging attributes.
You did not say 'most' in your original statement. Only when we exposed your ignorance on polyamory did you change your tune like a politican. This is what you originally said in your 1st statement,
"Polyamorous people are VERY different than Polygamous/Polyandrious people. Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone" Where's the word MOST here?
How many do you know? Considering you made a ROOKIE or amatuer statement about polyamory by saying "they have no rules", why should I believe you've talked to many instead of believing that you got your information from the mainstream media or other stereotypes?
@PolyPride3 Most of them have no rules. Some do out of fear or emotional damage and even for health reasons, but most don't. I have spoken to about 6 different "groups" through out the years. You can either believe it or not, it's not my job to make you believe anything. All I'm doing is telling you what I know from personal expirience.
Lets get reasonable here. How many polyamorists are there in existence and compare that to how many you're CLAIMING to have met. Would you say that you've met over 50% of all polyamorists in existence considering you already made a CONTRADICTING claim earlier about only meeting ONE non-religious poly person?
@PolyPride3 You need to learn to read. This whole time you are comparing how some POLYAMOROUS groups work to how would they work if they were POLYGAMISTS. Saying that if that's how they work, then when married it would work just the same. It's not the case, I know one POLYGAMOUS non-religious family and am telling you how they work just as the religious ones. I know many POLYAMOROUS groups that are non-religious based, and know one POLYGAMOUS family that is not religious based.
Yes, SOME non-religious polygamists would practice polygamy the traditional way, but again that doesn't mean that EVERYONE else will. You also IGNORED my evidence that I offered with the documentary film which is about a wife and 2 bisexual husbands. So that one case is LIVING proof that some would live a non-traditional polygamy.
-- Most use it as the other person said, for sex dates, thus having no limitations. --
And I tell you these are a minority.
My GF is poly, she does not go and get sex dates. I am poly and I do not use it as sex dates. I know many other polies and they do not use it as sex dates. 90% of the polies I know have only a second partner, which they may have sex with but not all the time, and have no other dates. And I really know a lot of polies as friends.
You did not say 'most' in your original statement. Only when we exposed your ignorance on polyamory did you change your tune like a politican. This is what you originally said in your 1st statement,
"Polyamorous people are VERY different than Polygamous/Polyandrious people. Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone" Where's the word MOST here?
@PolyPride3 You didnt expose jack squat. I did forget to put most there but I did say it over and over again the comments after that. Most, the majority, the largest quantity, have no rules. Some do out of health and emotional reasons, but most don't.
How many polyamorists have you met? It stands to reason if you have not met much, then you really can't make a FAIR representation of how 'most' would practice it. I guess this is where you stereotypes kick in.
@PolyPride3 Well groups, 6, but if I had to count them all it would be around almost 20-25 something like that people when putting those groups together. And some know other groups and they have told me how they are like so I know from them and our conversations together.
Canadian attorney John Ince says the total is hard to estimate but in Canada alone there are hundreds of people living in polyamory, in Canada alone. That's in an article in the Canadian Press which I can email to you if you'd like. So from the number you posted, that's less than 10% polyamorists in Canada alone so you can't speak for MOST. You've only met ONE non-religious polygamists compared to the video documentary I offered so you can't say you speak for most either.
Our discussion started with talking on if non-religious polygamists would practice polygamy in non-traditional ways. I used polyamorists as a model because their lifestyle is usually practiced for secular reasons. So if NON-religious MULTIPLE partner non-marital relationships would be practiced this way, then it's not far fetched that if people were allowed or if polygamy were legal, people would practice polygamy in some of those non-relgious ways that polyamorists practice.
I do not know a polygamy configuration, most people are in a polyamoric configuration.
Unless polygamy also means that 2 wives can have a triangle relationship since they are bisexual. The triangle is the most common configuration when people live in the same building (bisexual). A V is the common configuration when at least one is not living the same house. A lot of them are actually W configurations. But no unlimited seks dates in the people I know.
And also squre that with what obaeyens just said who has actually lived in polyamory and is acquainted with them. So again, you have not spoken to with much of anything as you have tried to lead on to us and you don't speak for most let alone have the means to know about most in polyamory or non-religious polygamists for that matter.
@obaeyens I have, they have their main lovers but their sexual partners are not limited. But they claim they all care for each other. They do have rules like wearing protection and things like that but no rules like "well you can date this person, but not that person"
@obaeyens Nope, they aren't swingers. That's something pretty different. They more focus on love than on sex. Like sex in the group is seperated from emotion and is not limited. You know? I guess it is like how singer couples work, where they have their main lovers, but sexual ones are not limited. Kinda like that. But then again, the polyamorous people I know are young, so might be why.
- Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone" -
I think I see why someone might misinterpret this now.
Anyone can date anyone means that both the woman and the man has equal rights to date another person. It is also not limited to the opposite sex.
But it does not mean that we go and have sex dates all the time. The only people we have sex with are the partners we are with. A small minority will also have some swinging.
@obaeyens And it does happen with many. Many will have their main lovers but won't be limited in sex partners. I know quite a few like that, and they all claim that they love each other or have some kind of feelings for each other.
You claim to witness and talked to such and such polygamists coming off of a point about NON-religious polygamy. So relevant to a non-religoius setting, you've only spoken with ONE person in that setting which you admitted earlier. I've studied from experts and common people who've experienced MANY and sometimes are living it themselves. And you don't think the people you talk to can lie, that's not to say that they are, but you should consider that before call my sources a lie
@PolyPride3 One person? I have talked to a family that is non-religious from Canada. They are polygamous and have the same structure as a religious polygamous family, just they don't base it out of any sort of religious purpose but out of love and big family. They have had ceremonies for their commitment, wear rings, and raise each other's children. This is more than just living together and going out on dates, this is about building a family. This is not like polyamorous, not at all.
And I offered you ONE video documentary about a wife with 2 bisexual husbands and you IGNORED that by not factoring that in to how polygamy can be practiced. Even if it hasn't happened before, that doesn't mean it can't be done or that people won't think it up to practice polygamy that way.
@PolyPride3 Again, that's one, which is not the norm. I am not denying it doesnt happen, I'm saying it's not the majority. I've been saying through out this whole conversation I am not denying that it happens, I am saying that it is rare
So far to me you're just a YOUtube poster blowing hOT air after that ROOKie statement you made about polyamorists not having any rules. That's the same type of statements that people who know nothing about polyamory make going off of STEREOTYPEs and media HYPE.
@PolyPride3 I'm not blowing anything, I am only expressing my knowledge from what I know personally. You can take it or not, this is youtube, not a professional debate. As I have said before, after I started watching the show Big Love in 2006 I have gotten interested in all types of poly groups, and have even spoken to many of them out of curiosity. So, you can either believe me or not, a fuck can not be given by me.
The polyamory group was excited that Big Love came out, but after one episode I heard a lot of polyamore feedback that Big Love does not represent what they experience.
Take for instance, the African country, Cameroon. From the book Polygamy- a Cross cultural analysis by anthropologist Miriam Koktvedgaard Zeitzen, she mentions that the most common reason for people to want polygamy is the desire to have lots of children. Having lots of children can lead to lots of production in labor in the household.
In polyamory there is no anything-goes mentality. It is responsible none-monogamy.
However some polyamore relationships have the freedom to have one nigh stands ONLY if all other partners gave a carte Blanche to you. But in most real polyamore relationship, any new partner will be discussed before you have the go.
I am polyamoric since I want to give my partner(s) equal opportunity to have another partner for themselves because I love them very much. I feel it would be wrong to have multiple partners for myself and tell them they are not allowed. But there is a limit in number of partners they can have and I can have just for practical resources and time.
Good points Obaeyens. Honestly, when Lostchild06 mentioned that polyamorists had NO standards in practice, he or she simply displayed accepting STEREOTYPES. The only thing some people know is from watching the MAINSTREAM media which would only give you the idea that all polygamists are under Warren Jeffs. I've read several books on polygamy CROSS culturally, and theorized how it would take form when practiced in a culture that is DEMCRatic and has equality between genders, sexuality, etc.
Most polyamore people I know live in a closed configuration where there are limits in how many partners are acceptable. My last second relationship stopped when I discovered that she started a relationship with someone hidden, and that guy convinced her that by taking many other partners was ok. So many hidden partners started to pop up WITHOUT asking me if it was ok if she started another relationship. So I terminated that relationship.
She was married, and had me and her husband. I have my own partner. Her husband had yet another partner and her partner had also another partner. It was like a WWWW. The end points only had 1 partner, but everyone else had maximum 2 partners. It all changed when she started to"go for the "anything goes mentality" and I broke the link.
Thanks for sharing because you have had some really interesting poly experiences. It fascinates me of all of the many and diverse ways poly can be practiced. And believe me I am with you that polyamory can be practiced with good and FAIR rules and standards. ANd I do know that many don't understand that or take the time to learn or live it and they'll quickly label it as just people wanting to have sex with just anybody.
The key to understand polyamory is that it is the same as monogamy. With the difference that you have 2 monogamous-like relationships at the same time ;-)
The sad thing is that there are people misusing the word polyamory to have many dates as possible under the false pretence of polyamory. For these people it is not about the love but power to show that they are successful. My second partner fell for such a person. She started to cheat and hide.
It is understandable when you grow up in a monogamous mindset as this is the only possible way of relationship, and the only way for having a second lover is when you cheat and hide it, then they have a hard time to associate polyamory with love.
Also the first time you have a second partner, you also get this conditioned mono reflect making it difficult. Not every one is fit for polyamory, you must be very a stable person.
I agree. I first read about polyamory after studying polygamy. Then I found Dr. Deborah M. Anapol's books on Polyamory but I haven't read all of it yet. It's really an interesting lifestyle and i'd say a GOOD and honest alternative option to monogamy. There are also plenty of YouTube videos on various people in the polyamory lifestyle. There's even a debate from a University that's about polyamory vs. monogamy. I posted it in the comment section in my profile.
@PolyPride3 Actually, no. As I said I have spoken to these people and looked more than just documentaries and books, such as you have admited to yourself. I rather had witnessed it myself and heard it from my own two ears than to just rely on things are could be manipulated to send a certain message.
- I rather had witnessed it myself and heard it from my own two ears than to just rely on things are could be manipulated to send a certain message. -
And I tell you that you have to listen to these people what they really said and not based of what you think they said. Your claims does not fit the polyamore people I know.
ANd if those polyamorists could legally marry, then some of them would take their form of relationship and turn it into a marriage. In fact, there's a documentary/film on one couple involving a wife who had 2 bisexual husbands. It's called Three of Hearts, a Postmodern Family. They called each other being married to the other but of course it wasn't legal. The trailer used to be on YouTube but now I find it on another website. I can email you the link if you want
If poly were legalized and practiced under a non-religious context, you would find SOME cases of same-sex acts between 2 wives whether those 2 wives also marry each other or don't. Again, you don't see that as much now because look who's mostly practicing polygamy - religionists mainly. Ironically, you do find same-sex acts in POLYAMORY and look who's mainly practicing, NON-religionists or for secular reasons. cont'd
@PolyPride3 SOME, you said it your self. These are very very rare occasions. Even in same-sex marriages, they all wouldnt be married to each other and having relationships with each other, there would be one man spouse, as I keep saying over and over again. And as I keep saying over and over again, I PERSONALLY know an ATHEIST polygamous family and they work just the same as the religious ones. It's not a matter of religion, but of basic societal foundations to those relationships.
I said SOME polygamy would involve same-sex relations in a NON-religious setting. I also disagree on how you think everyone would practice polygamy because you clearly have a bias towards POLYGNY and practiced the MORMON way. You call meeting ONE NON-relgious family as being a fair representation of how MOST non-religious people would practice polygamy? Despite the video/documentary I offered to you? I understand you've studied but try also drawing reasonable conclusions.
- I PERSONALLY know an ATHEIST polygamous family and they work just the same as the religious ones. -
You know one, I know many (polyamory) ;-) The fact that they live in a triangle (MMF or FFM) has nothing to do with religion or not. Polygamy can only have a V or star configuration, in Polyamory you can also have a triangle, W, square or even a cloud configuration. It can be bisexual or cross-family relationships.
@obaeyens And again, polyamory is different. I know what happens when it goes into the level of polygamy. You are comparing a dating scenario to a marriage, not the same thing at all haha. If you have ever been married you would know this.
In fact, polygamists start off with polyamory (multiple relationships) when they're dating their potential 2nd wife. Just the husband would do this , if you practice based on Christian or Mormon standards. Others may do or come up with a different way.
That's the way. Ya know the real reason why women shout STFU and quit complaining that guys want multiple women? Because they can't keep up with us. If you don't think so, Kim Cattral made an interesting documentary on sex and the first thing they interview are women who complain how they prefer being lesbians because the sexual frequency isn't expected with another woman. Men need sex constantly, it is only logical the average man is polygamous.
@takkbliss Sure, that is a rather pleasant rare exception to the rule. Those relationships are much more likely to work but still, men being as pleased visually and sensually as they are it is still likely that one woman will never be enough for a lot of guys deep down. Most will pretend to be happy for the sake of love and to conform, but few honestly just want one for their whole life. It is a huge lie to say otherwise.
@takkbliss Why I imagine that if only women were as heavily stimulated by touch then the more sexual women would always be sleeping around. That's actually a far rarer case than a woman who is just as happy to use a toy frequently. Not the rule of course, there are exceptions but by far it is more rare. If it were equal or even close, male strip clubs would be everywhere. Male prostitutes, the whole 9 yards.
@leonheart00 They are rare indeed, but exist nonetheless. Although, it doesn't make it more likely that the relationship will work... it's an imbalance that leaves the woman feeling sexually unsatisfied and has to be worked on as a couple just like anything else.
Also, I agree that most men may always want multiple partners/more sex deep down, but just because the desire/impulse exists doesn't mean it has to be fulfilled. Self control develops character and integrity regardless of gender.
@takkbliss I just believe people should take the appropriate actions to do what makes them happy. I wouldn't personally be happy being tied down to a woman who had to struggle to fulfill me sexually. Then again, I eventually would feel empty about not being able to see another naked woman, to touch one, to have sex with them.. however a girl who could handle me enough to make me think as little about sex as possible has the highest chance of keeping me. Generally I believe that for many guys.
@leonheart00 You know there are many women, mostly likely half of all women who have a high sex drive. So, I think both polygyny AND polyandry can work with the right type of people.
@lostchild06 I agree with everything aside from the number of women like that. Believe me, if you research it, it is scientifically proven that more women suffer from lower sex drives and many times really none at all. Countless women have sex only out of duty and not out of pleasure, hence the frequent headaches.If this were true it would be an overwhelming stereotype and single men would never struggle. So I say it is rare and otherwise agree in those less common circumstances.
I believe when you have polygamy practiced outside of a religious context, then the relationships will probably involve sex with all partners involved. So polygyny would likely become a bisexual thing between the 2 women and the man in the middle. This way, all are getting sex and don't just have to rely on the man for everything.
@PolyPride3 not really, I know an Thirst plygamous family and they don't do that. You're just making up assumption from your own fantasies in your head.
No, I'm not making up fantasies from the top of my head. MOST polygynyist in the US are Christians and it's thought by many Christians that same-sex acts are off limits. So in our highly sexualized world, it's not far fetched predict that polygyny practiced without RELIGIOUS restrictions will in some cases involve same-sex sex between the women. That's already happening among the POLYAMORY crowd.
@PolyPride3 Polyamorous people are VERY different than Polygamous/Polyandrious people. Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone, while Polygamous relationships do have rules and expectations. Polygamous/polyandrous spouses are with one person, which is the main husband or wife. Reason the others are called sister-wives/brother-husbands. You don't date your sister or brother. That is a completely different relationship since they are a family.
You have an over-generalized understanding of both polygamy and polyamory. I say that because either lifestyle can be practice in many ways and for different reasons, but yet you reduce everyone to one reason and way of practicing. You seem willing to accept hetero polygamy but yet deny bisexual polygamy or same-sex polygamy which are some of the non-religious STANDARDS that I'm referring to. Mormons may practice poly as PLURAL hetero marriage, others may choose a GROUP marriage
@PolyPride3 No, I am speaking about the majority of cases. I was interested in learning about all types of poly relationships from all over the world after watching the show Big Love, and have researched this quite well. Hell, I have even spoken to poly families, including an atheist one. Oh, and most likely in a bisexual marriage, there would be one main wife or husband, the people married to that person wouldnt hook up with each other since they would be more like siblings like hetero ones.
The majority of the cases of polygamy are either practiced under PATRIARCHAL cultures or in religious contexts. In this country, polygamy is ILLEGAL and it's mostly religionists (MORMONS) who are willing to break the law so I'm not sure what fair and diverse picture you're getting here esp. off of ONE non-religious atheist you've talked to. cont'd
@PolyPride3 Only in the mordern western world, and middle east/some parts of Africa. There Polygamy is practiced based on religious intentions, but it was not always like that in history and in present day in the eastern world, and other parts of the world. There are plenty who do it out of the benefits that plural marriage can bring, as I keep saying, I know an atheist plural family. This is not a rare occassion since plural marriage was always more based on culture than religion.
Actually you are wrong about polygamy being practiced for religions reasons only in the Middle East and Africa. Factor in Mormonism in America and Canada. Also, in Africa, polygamy is usually practiced based on cultural tradition just like monogamy is practiced like that in America. I have not read of any religious convictions for the many African polygamists, it's just the norm in many of those areas.
@PolyPride3 "Only in the mordern western world, and middle east/some parts of Africa. " Modern western world, which would include europe, and the Americas. Please, learn to read before jumping into conclusions. Many of the polygamists in Africa are muslim, thus do it for religious reasons since polygamy is in the Quran.
I apologize for missing where you mentioned the Western world. As far as African polygyny goes, I have not read about any religious-based reasons to practice polygamy. From reading a book on the subject, I only found cultural tradition/economic as being the reasons. Sure the Quran approves of polygamy but that doesn't mean that's why people get married no more than the Bible talking about polygamy and monogamy does not mean that's why people get married in America. cont'd
- Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone, while Polygamous relationships do have rules and expectations. -
This is not true. Being polyamorous does not automatically mean that you date everyone. And there are still rules. Also there exists a lot of closed polyamory relationships. 3 or 4 people living together and not have any dates outside this group.
@obaeyens "basically" ba·si·cal·ly/ˈbāsik(ə)lē/Adverb: 1.In the most essential respects; fundamentally: "a basically simple idea".
2.Used to indicate that a statement summarizes the most important aspects of a more complex situation.
Going by the majority of polyamoury relationships, that is the basic fundamentals. Some do have commitment, but the majority do not. They are mostly dating each other, while polygynist/polyandrist are creating a family together.
- Some do have commitment, but the majority do not. -
It is the opposite, most are closed groups. Not all of them are triangles, a lot of them are either V or W configurations. Those that are a triangle or square tend to want to stay as a family in one house. The V mostly not. Most poly relationships are actually hidden. You won't find them on interviews. The ones you are referring to happen to be more vocal. Some people misuse polyamory to get many sexdates.
@obaeyens Reason I said some, the ones you have described are done in rare occassions. They do happen, I am not denying this, but the rest are not like that. And as you said tey misuse it to get many sex dates. That's just the sad reality but it does happen.
Homosexual marriage is legal, but polygamy is not. WTF?
Plshipme 10 minutes ago
Ephesians 5:31 simply repeats what's mentioned in the Book of Genesis which is the OLD TESTAMENT. The OLD testmanent is the same place that ALSO mentions a man can have two wives. It's also the place where NO man ever gets punished for polygamy or gets called an adulterer and where God even blessed polygamists like Jacob, King David, etc.
PolyPride3 22 hours ago
OMG she drank the Kool-Aid as well!! lmao gezz
armywifeandproud 2 days ago
Sex OUTSIDE Marriage is forbidden in scripture . If the two people are married to each other , then there is no sin . There is no rule reguarding the number of people a person can be married to . The women are also married to each other . by the way . All parties in a marriage are married to all other parties in the marriage .
peterm3964 4 days ago
@peterm3964 Except that the scriptures say that a man will stick to his WIFE, not WIVES. Plus, are we still under the Mosaic Law? Nope.
assaultmek 3 days ago
@assaultmek Good point . and yes mosaic law is now Mosaic principle , since the new covenant , I am a firm believer that a man (or woman ) who chooses a plural marriage , has not done anything terribly wrong , yet the state vilifies them . If the state want to interfere between a man and his wife , then the most it should punish them is misdemenour . ... A small once only fine should be enough to satisfy the ego of the bureaucrat .
peterm3964 3 days ago
@peterm3964
I wouldn't accept assaultmek's point regarding the Bible saying stick to your WIFE and not WIVES. I'd want to know the passage, the context, and how assaultmek's explains this in light of the passages that mention polygamy is okay. Otherwise, he's really not providing a good answer but rather is giving a contradictory answer or an answer that leaves out passage and includes others, likely the ones that he agrees with.
PolyPride3 1 day ago
@PolyPride3 Oh, and I almost forgot 1 Timothy 3:12
I'm glad I could point you to these scriptures. I'm surprised you all don't know these....
assaultmek 23 hours ago
@assaultmek
You mention 1 Timothy 3:2, 12 as speaking against polygamy. Did you read the context which clearly states specific church positions of leadership? Why should I take instruction that applies to a certain role and apply it to everyone? If wives and slaves are to be submissive, are you going to say that HUSBANDS need to be submissive, as well? Are you going to say that a WOMAN bishop has to be the HUSBAND of one wife like 1 Timothy 3:2,12 mentions for MEN?
PolyPride3 22 hours ago
@assaultmek
We are not under the 'system' of the Mosaic law but some of it's principles still apply, like to not sin (Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7). The laws dealing with behavior, especially sexual behavior still apply. You mention Scripture saying that a husband is to stick to his 'wife' and not 'wives'. Where does Scripture say this? Have you considered that there are exceptions since SCRIPTURE also mentions its okay to have WIVES, and the author didn't elaborate in that ONE passage?
PolyPride3 1 day ago
@PolyPride3 1 Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:5,6; Eph. 5:31....need I go on? LOL
Oh, and unless you have something in the Greek Scriptures, I'm not interested :)
assaultmek 23 hours ago
dont fool your feelings, our heart is designed to one heart or will get jealous!
Obadiahmessenger2011 2 weeks ago
@Obadiahmessenger2011 Jealousy can vary from person to person. While you may get jealous for a given situation that doesn't mean everyone else will. Study up on Swingers or I can email you some resources. You'll see that some of them experience little to no jealousy in their non-monogamous lifestyle. If a poly woman has jealousy, she needs to work on resolving it just as we would work on jealousy in a monogamous relationship.
PolyPride3 1 week ago
Matthew 5:28 --- But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Exodus 20:14 --- Thou shalt not commit adultery. outside from the Word of God is indeed a lie!
Obadiahmessenger2011 2 weeks ago
having many wives is completely opposes the Word of God! what is the essence of adultery here? why God forbid us to commit adultery, if we can have many wives? Titus 1:6 --- If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children...
Obadiahmessenger2011 2 weeks ago
@Obadiahmessenger2011
Read Titus 1:5 which is the context. The passage you're referring to is talking about a Church position and not every Christian. It mentions to "appoint" an "elder". Not everyone is appointed as a church elder. If God told women that they are to be submissive, you're going to say that applies to all Christians, including men also?
PolyPride3 1 week ago
Most beautiful lady. Now I'm convinced and I'm gonna turn mormon and find me a second wife! buahahahahahha!
JustWaIkAway 2 weeks ago
If only all women were like her, all men would be so happy
thezinkcoo 2 weeks ago
It's amazing how social conservatives hate polygamy because God doesn't like it yet many prominent and pious biblical figures were polygamists.
Maserati7200 2 weeks ago
Can someone please ans. this question for me? Respectfully Please! Why is it that people scoff at adults in a committed poly marriage without abuse, yet have no issues with SSM or promiscuity? Our society glorifies promiscuity and that is deemed okay until you want to settle down but this is wrong? Please ans somebody. Respectfully please!
ajfsSr31 2 weeks ago
@ajfsSr31
Hypocrisy plays a role along with misunderstanding. People also tend to see polygamy as just a man taking advantage and brainwashing women since it's usually the man who has the multiple partners. Some people don't get that there are some women who also want polygamy as multiple wives, as well. If they focus on more than just the sex life they'd see that there's also social benefits between the women.
PolyPride3 2 weeks ago
these people have that stupid cult - religion look on their faces, smells like a teen cult...
BayouBluesMan 3 weeks ago
@BayouBluesMan smells like a teen cult? do you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about? go and do a wiki search for mormons.
bnza10 2 weeks ago
@bnza10 don't need to , i know , are u one of them?
BayouBluesMan 2 weeks ago
@BayouBluesMan do i sound like a fucking mormon to you?
bnza10 2 weeks ago
@bnza10 from yr last answer : no , but hey they got all these twisted sluts laying around it can't be that bad :)
BayouBluesMan 2 weeks ago
@BayouBluesMan twisted sluts? where did you get that from? from the video its 2 women and a man not the other way around. you really should do a mormon search.i know alot about mormons because i did alot of research on them because they were talking to my brother about their church and blah blah.
bnza10 2 weeks ago
The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't practice polgamy and hasn't for a long long time. This is probably the FLDS church.
EarthquakeQueen64 3 weeks ago
The Bible and the Koran are both pro-polygamy. Can't say that The Origin of the Species is anti polygamy either. Anyone have anything that justifies laws against polygamy?
edwardsson777 3 weeks ago
obomination
zr1cruz 3 weeks ago
filth
mancsakacarl 3 weeks ago
So are most men exspected to be celebate in the FLDS? I mean obviuosly all men can't have 10 wives.
THEBURNINGTIGERS 3 weeks ago
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After it was "officially" stopped in Utah, the Romney's fled the US to Mexico (illegally) to keep polygamy.
Mitt is a Mormon bishop, a descendant of 1 of the original Joe Smith apostles and whose g-gramps illegally fled to Mexico to stay ahead of US law (STiLL has Mexican cousins - look it up! - Mitt's dad = 1st MexicanAmerican candidate for Prez)
One of Mitt's gramps who married his 12th wife got shot dead by the husband of of the last woman he had a "celestial" marriage with
American values!
dleechristy 3 weeks ago
Stupid double standards...... for the women its like ok, your going to cheat on me, bring her home.....and than you'll marry her, ill consider her my sister wife, and learn to either hate her or love her? what kind of shit is that???
ufukingtard 4 weeks ago
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ufukingtard 4 weeks ago
the wives should be able to marry more than one man if the men can marry more than one wife.......plain and simple.
ufukingtard 4 weeks ago
Those that say Mormons or members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints with headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah; are lying, Poligamists do no have anything to do with us. We do not practice nor teach poligamy as a modern principle to be lived!
rubenlds 4 weeks ago
@rubenlds Actually, Joseph Smith said that polygamy was an eternal doctrine. Secondly, they believe that Joseph Smith is a prophet just like other mormons. Sounds to me, like they are mormons too. Maybe the SLC mormon church should stop trying to advertise themselves as christian...because they're obviously not...
MrSB1274 3 weeks ago
When I heard Canada enacted Anti-Poly laws, I thought things where going to swing out of control because SSM was already legalized. Well they did, but for another reason: the laws encompased both Polygamy & Polyamory. Thus, the secular Poly folks too ended paying for the abuse that was found in Polygamy. Some1 screwed up, bad. This secular modernization of Poly changes everything. Its interesting & I plan to keep an eye on how this story unfolds & the impacts it will surely have.
ImperialGenKlenner 1 month ago
Is this lady a Polygamous (Polygamy) or a Polyamorous (Polyamory) wife? If she happens to be Canadian, then that Q now matters. Poly's a hot issue in SSM legal Canada, w/ the latests round of events (currently happening) pushing Polyamory in the right direction since CPAA said they are happy. But Polygamy remains uncertien for all too familiar reasons. This lady apeards to be a Polyamorist now being recongnized as a seperate entity from religious Polygamy in Canada.
ImperialGenKlenner 1 month ago
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icemon09,
A slut sleeps around. From what I can tell these women were honest with each other and sex occurred until after the wife approved and likely after the 2nd marriage. It's also part of nature to be attracted to multiple people, although it's when people try to act on it in a DISHONEST way (cheating, without their current spouse or bf or gf knowing and approving) is when the problem starts.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
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PolyPride3 1 month ago
is there anything actually wrong with polygamy? im pretty ignorant about it but atm i dont see how it hurts people but maybe ive missed something
goatsmilk234 1 month ago
@goatsmilk234 Most what I heard against polygamy is God doesn't approve of it and makes women like sex slaves. I disagree with both points from anti-polygamists, of course. Polygamy is biblically moral and it can be practiced to where it's not all about the man or all about sexual exploitation. There already good examples of polygamy where ALL adults (women included) have a choice to start poly and the guy has 'emotional involvement with the wives and financially supports his wives.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
She seems happy. I have no problem with these adults that make the choice. It's when you get into the camps (wth they're called!) and involving children or women who don't have a choice. That's messed up. Anyway, bottom line, I don't see where the government has the right to intervene in adult relationships.
MargieMama 1 month ago 17
@MargieMama Unfortunately such law keeps my husband from meeting my parrents, they are too sick and old travel, it keeps him from visiting my country, forces me to live in his country, and because of it i had to face many missconceptions, even threatenings. It's so sad to be religiously discriminated by the laws of you country...
M1kyStix 3 days ago
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Please look up the video "Sexual revolution and alternative lifestyles in the future" to see that polygamy will gain ground in the western world due more to economic realities than to religion.
edwardsson777 1 month ago
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The Mormon Prophet Brigham young had 26 wives all under 18 years of age when he married them? He used to say, "I don't care how you bring 'em as long as you bring 'em young!"
MrBushlied 1 month ago
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Mormons are taught to give their TESTIMONY it goes something like this: I HAVE A BURNING IN MY BOSSOM. This is a PAT ANSWER something they are taught to say in a response that is a way they can defend their beliefs and is suspose to make everything valid no matter what. When I have a Burning in my Bossom I take ROLAIDS and it GOES AWAY! THE BIBLE is the answer; the Book of Mormon is FALSE. When you modify/change the Word of God to suit YOUR BELIEF STRUCTURE YOU ARE A CULT! There not Christians
FormerMPSGT 1 month ago
I will bet most of the people condemning polygamy in this thread are males who can't even get one woman, much less several.
edwardsson777 1 month ago 8
@edwardsson777 This video is most popular with:
Gender Age
Male 45-54
Female 45-54
Female 35-44
lmao
AnubisEye009 2 weeks ago
this is kinda sick!!!!!
merce0909 1 month ago
I'm a geek. Let me come out an say that right now. By the by, it's a matter of prestige among my colleagues. I would like to recall Phlox (not the flower) from Star Trek Enterprise. He is a Denobulan. Among his species, each man has three wives and each woman three husbands. How about that! Well, that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see how the courts would deal with it. Polygamy would be a mess and would just create a lot more work for lawyers--among a slew of other social ills.
MinisterAilingTongue 1 month ago
@MinisterAilingTongue Not a big problem. Wait until biotechnology really stirs things up in 20 years! Men will become obsolete for the most part and maybe women will desire to life in polygamist societies for economic and social reasons. Of course the Japanese are already working on robots that will service the left-over males who will not measure up for reproductive opportunities.
edwardsson777 1 month ago
@edwardsson777 Funny. Are all you Mormon swine social Darwinists? I know the answer is NO. You happen to be wearing your hypocrisy on your sleeve. I said I was a geek. Some of my fellow geeks competed in wrestling at the state level in high school. You clearly don't know what a geek is. Geeks run marathons and win decathlons etc. I used to run four to six miles a day in high school, but now I'm too busy..."lazy" some call it. FUCK YOU. That should have been my entire comment!
MinisterAilingTongue 1 month ago
@MinisterAilingTongue Guess you have to have something to occupy yourself if the gals won't take an interest in you. :)
edwardsson777 1 month ago
@edwardsson777 You'd better keep your schizophrenic ideas to yourself or else find some brain dead bitch to inseminate. Of course, I don't give one iota of a fuck what your do. None of the girls I know would give you the time of day. They're not impressed by trash talk and social Darwinian polygamist pigs. The only insult I've incurred in this (or any youtube exchange for that matter) is that I'm having a fucktard dispute over youtube. All I feel for you is pity.
MinisterAilingTongue 1 month ago
@MinisterAilingTongue You really have a problem with women don't you...I mean the whole "b" word and your angry words certainly convey that. Oh, and I doubt you have a clue as to what the DSM is so I will not even reply to your schizophrenic charge. Oh, and can you please find a way to express yourself without profanity as there may be some youngster doing a sociology class report on polygamy and your ranting is just...well, you understand.
edwardsson777 1 month ago
It amazes me that those polygamist have the hottest women you can find!
Not one but multiple.
obaeyens 1 month ago
I found an interesting interview of 3 people living in the polyamory lifestyle. It's in my profile in the video playlist. It's called Polyamory interview - it should be the last video in the list.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
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PolyPride3 1 month ago
Now imagine if one of them decided she wanted to take another husband into the deal...
This is pure and utter use of women and being a whore monger while justifying it by ancent tribal scripts that are not even in the bible...
So they changed the bible.
It goes against human nature and either the woman doesn't care because she doesn't give a sheit about him, or she WILL care to the point that she will fight.
You can't bypass that, no matter how hard you try.
jinxxedlikeshit 1 month ago
@jinxxedlikeshit
If a wife finds someone attractive other than her husband then that's not a problem. That's NATURE that even if you're in a relationship that you will find others to be attractive and to even be your type. And if the wife has the consent of ALL adults involved then she can get another husband. The only wrong is when people try to get another partner or spouse without the CONSENT of all adults involved, and they do it through DISHONESTY and CHEATING like many do nowadays.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3
Completely agree.
But it is very hard to have the discipline to tell your partner that you are falling in love with some person you just met. Even for me it is very hard because of the years of monogamy conditioning creates this reflection not to tell. And the longer you wait the harder it gets.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@jinxxedlikeshit FUCK the bible and you primitive view of human nature.
Zachdudeio2 1 month ago
Another response form her:
Could it be that you confuse the "no rules"?
One person would interpret this as free to have as much sex as I want.
The other person would interpret this as I feel and am free to do what I want. (this does not automatically mean sex)
obaeyens 1 month ago
My poly friend also sent another post.
She says that there could be a difference between religious polyamorists and none-religious polyamorists. All the people I know are none-religious polyamorists.
obaeyens 1 month ago
Just got a response from one of my polyamore friends in regard to the no rules and unlimited seks claims.
She said: "No he is mistaken with swingers"
I honestly think that either you imagined the claims because you misread the answers or you somehow discovered a groups that happens to have unlimited sex.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens I'm not imagening anything, I know what I know from them and you can either believe me or not. That's your choice. They told me they seperated sex from love and it shows. Many human beings do. That's that.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- They told me they seperated sex from love and it shows. -
That is the hallmark of swingers.
There is a slider between polyamory and swingers. You seem to have caught a group that has swinger tendencies. Of all polies I know, direct and indirect, there is no one that has this unlimited sex with strangers that is not part of the relationship mentality.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens Well it's not like they have swinging parties or anything of the sort. But I guess they could be compared to swingers in a way by their "morals". They are just a polyamorous group that can have sexual partners outside of that group and even start a relationship outside of the group and no one would care. I don't know how to explain this.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- They are just a polyamorous group that can have sexual partners outside of that group and even start a relationship outside of the group and no one would care. -
I really think you misunderstand what they really said.
Yes some polyamore people have the freedom to have have other sex dates. But only because the poly family agreed on that it is allowed. And depending on the agreement he must report on who he had a sex-date with or not.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens They never said anything of the sort. Maybe that's how the ones you know work, but the ones I know never said anything of reporting anything back or getting any kind of permision.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Ask them. Sometimes things are not said since it is so normal and you do it for many years.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens Ok, I will.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@obaeyens I finally got a message from one of them and they basically the same thing I said before. When it came to sexual partners it didnt matter as long as they wore protection.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Well you can add about 14 poly people (I know) that says that their partner is not allowed to have random sexual partners unless first agreed on.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens Ok, fantastic?
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- of that group and even start a relationship outside of the group and no one would care. -
Depend on the poly family agreement. In some families you are not allowed to bring in others. In most cases they have the freedom but ONLY after ALL people in the relationship know about this and gives a go. And it is also within reason. When you have more than 3 partners then you will probably get a NO since it reduces the quality of the family.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@lostchild06
I already got responses back from other poly people. These people say basically the same thing, they do not recognize a polyamory pattern in your claims.
However SOME poly families can be just like you said, but it is not very common. The majority of the poly families are not even online in forums or Youtube clips. The more sexual active are represented in internet blogs and clips.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@lostchild06
What also can happen is that a family that started with swinging, open relationships or even BDSM, ends up as a poly family in the end because they know each other so much that loves starts. These people still continue with swinging, but also have a polyamore character. It is a slider between polyamore and swinging. Most people are in between. If you are above 50% then you are singer with poly attributes, if you are below 50% you are poly with swinging attributes.
obaeyens 1 month ago
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LostChild,
You did not say 'most' in your original statement. Only when we exposed your ignorance on polyamory did you change your tune like a politican. This is what you originally said in your 1st statement,
"Polyamorous people are VERY different than Polygamous/Polyandrious people. Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone" Where's the word MOST here?
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@lostchild06
How many do you know? Considering you made a ROOKIE or amatuer statement about polyamory by saying "they have no rules", why should I believe you've talked to many instead of believing that you got your information from the mainstream media or other stereotypes?
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 Most of them have no rules. Some do out of fear or emotional damage and even for health reasons, but most don't. I have spoken to about 6 different "groups" through out the years. You can either believe it or not, it's not my job to make you believe anything. All I'm doing is telling you what I know from personal expirience.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Lets get reasonable here. How many polyamorists are there in existence and compare that to how many you're CLAIMING to have met. Would you say that you've met over 50% of all polyamorists in existence considering you already made a CONTRADICTING claim earlier about only meeting ONE non-religious poly person?
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 You need to learn to read. This whole time you are comparing how some POLYAMOROUS groups work to how would they work if they were POLYGAMISTS. Saying that if that's how they work, then when married it would work just the same. It's not the case, I know one POLYGAMOUS non-religious family and am telling you how they work just as the religious ones. I know many POLYAMOROUS groups that are non-religious based, and know one POLYGAMOUS family that is not religious based.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Yes, SOME non-religious polygamists would practice polygamy the traditional way, but again that doesn't mean that EVERYONE else will. You also IGNORED my evidence that I offered with the documentary film which is about a wife and 2 bisexual husbands. So that one case is LIVING proof that some would live a non-traditional polygamy.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 AND IM NOT DENYING THAT!
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- Most of them have no rules. -
What do you mean with no rules? What about poly rule nr 1: Do not add a new partner without the knowledge and consent of all partners?
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens That is not the rule for everyone reason I said "most". Most use it as the other person said, for sex dates, thus having no limitations.
lostchild06 1 month ago
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@lostchild06
-- Most use it as the other person said, for sex dates, thus having no limitations. --
And I tell you these are a minority.
My GF is poly, she does not go and get sex dates. I am poly and I do not use it as sex dates. I know many other polies and they do not use it as sex dates. 90% of the polies I know have only a second partner, which they may have sex with but not all the time, and have no other dates. And I really know a lot of polies as friends.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@lostchild06
You did not say 'most' in your original statement. Only when we exposed your ignorance on polyamory did you change your tune like a politican. This is what you originally said in your 1st statement,
"Polyamorous people are VERY different than Polygamous/Polyandrious people. Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone" Where's the word MOST here?
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 You didnt expose jack squat. I did forget to put most there but I did say it over and over again the comments after that. Most, the majority, the largest quantity, have no rules. Some do out of health and emotional reasons, but most don't.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
How many polyamorists have you met? It stands to reason if you have not met much, then you really can't make a FAIR representation of how 'most' would practice it. I guess this is where you stereotypes kick in.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 Well groups, 6, but if I had to count them all it would be around almost 20-25 something like that people when putting those groups together. And some know other groups and they have told me how they are like so I know from them and our conversations together.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Canadian attorney John Ince says the total is hard to estimate but in Canada alone there are hundreds of people living in polyamory, in Canada alone. That's in an article in the Canadian Press which I can email to you if you'd like. So from the number you posted, that's less than 10% polyamorists in Canada alone so you can't speak for MOST. You've only met ONE non-religious polygamists compared to the video documentary I offered so you can't say you speak for most either.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 Why do you keep insisting in using polyamoury as if it's polygamy? I do not get it.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Our discussion started with talking on if non-religious polygamists would practice polygamy in non-traditional ways. I used polyamorists as a model because their lifestyle is usually practiced for secular reasons. So if NON-religious MULTIPLE partner non-marital relationships would be practiced this way, then it's not far fetched that if people were allowed or if polygamy were legal, people would practice polygamy in some of those non-relgious ways that polyamorists practice.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3
I do not know a polygamy configuration, most people are in a polyamoric configuration.
Unless polygamy also means that 2 wives can have a triangle relationship since they are bisexual. The triangle is the most common configuration when people live in the same building (bisexual). A V is the common configuration when at least one is not living the same house. A lot of them are actually W configurations. But no unlimited seks dates in the people I know.
obaeyens 1 month ago
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@obaeyens
Sorry.. but disregard my last comment to you. There's too many comments here and I read and responded to the wrong one.
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And also squre that with what obaeyens just said who has actually lived in polyamory and is acquainted with them. So again, you have not spoken to with much of anything as you have tried to lead on to us and you don't speak for most let alone have the means to know about most in polyamory or non-religious polygamists for that matter.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- Most, the majority, the largest quantity, have no rules. -
I start to see a pattern. You are confusing what polyamore people mean with no rules.
Just ask them, does no rules mean that they can have sex with anyone?
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens I have, they have their main lovers but their sexual partners are not limited. But they claim they all care for each other. They do have rules like wearing protection and things like that but no rules like "well you can date this person, but not that person"
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Are you sure that you not asked a swinger family?
This completely does not represent all the polyamore people I have as friends, even the very sexual active ones. And I really know a lot of polies!
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens Nope, they aren't swingers. That's something pretty different. They more focus on love than on sex. Like sex in the group is seperated from emotion and is not limited. You know? I guess it is like how singer couples work, where they have their main lovers, but sexual ones are not limited. Kinda like that. But then again, the polyamorous people I know are young, so might be why.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
I am justy asking many other polyamore people.
I might have a response in the next days.
I did ask my other polyamore friend the questions now.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@PolyPride3
- Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone" -
I think I see why someone might misinterpret this now.
Anyone can date anyone means that both the woman and the man has equal rights to date another person. It is also not limited to the opposite sex.
But it does not mean that we go and have sex dates all the time. The only people we have sex with are the partners we are with. A small minority will also have some swinging.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens And it does happen with many. Many will have their main lovers but won't be limited in sex partners. I know quite a few like that, and they all claim that they love each other or have some kind of feelings for each other.
lostchild06 1 month ago
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- I know quite a few like that, and they all claim that they love each other or have some kind of feelings for each other -
And these people did state that they had no limit in sex partners? Or did you assume this?
obaeyens 1 month ago
Lostchild06,
You claim to witness and talked to such and such polygamists coming off of a point about NON-religious polygamy. So relevant to a non-religoius setting, you've only spoken with ONE person in that setting which you admitted earlier. I've studied from experts and common people who've experienced MANY and sometimes are living it themselves. And you don't think the people you talk to can lie, that's not to say that they are, but you should consider that before call my sources a lie
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 One person? I have talked to a family that is non-religious from Canada. They are polygamous and have the same structure as a religious polygamous family, just they don't base it out of any sort of religious purpose but out of love and big family. They have had ceremonies for their commitment, wear rings, and raise each other's children. This is more than just living together and going out on dates, this is about building a family. This is not like polyamorous, not at all.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
And I offered you ONE video documentary about a wife with 2 bisexual husbands and you IGNORED that by not factoring that in to how polygamy can be practiced. Even if it hasn't happened before, that doesn't mean it can't be done or that people won't think it up to practice polygamy that way.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 Again, that's one, which is not the norm. I am not denying it doesnt happen, I'm saying it's not the majority. I've been saying through out this whole conversation I am not denying that it happens, I am saying that it is rare
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
So far to me you're just a YOUtube poster blowing hOT air after that ROOKie statement you made about polyamorists not having any rules. That's the same type of statements that people who know nothing about polyamory make going off of STEREOTYPEs and media HYPE.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 I'm not blowing anything, I am only expressing my knowledge from what I know personally. You can take it or not, this is youtube, not a professional debate. As I have said before, after I started watching the show Big Love in 2006 I have gotten interested in all types of poly groups, and have even spoken to many of them out of curiosity. So, you can either believe me or not, a fuck can not be given by me.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
The polyamory group was excited that Big Love came out, but after one episode I heard a lot of polyamore feedback that Big Love does not represent what they experience.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens Ok.... and why are you saying this? I never claimed it did.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Because polyamore people do not recognize in polygamy.
Ask those polyamore you now people if they are like a polygamous family? See how they respond?
Also ask the polyamore people you know if it is all about sex dates? See how they react.
obaeyens 1 month ago
cont'd from my last comment..
Take for instance, the African country, Cameroon. From the book Polygamy- a Cross cultural analysis by anthropologist Miriam Koktvedgaard Zeitzen, she mentions that the most common reason for people to want polygamy is the desire to have lots of children. Having lots of children can lead to lots of production in labor in the household.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
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@PolyPride3
In polyamory there is no anything-goes mentality. It is responsible none-monogamy.
However some polyamore relationships have the freedom to have one nigh stands ONLY if all other partners gave a carte Blanche to you. But in most real polyamore relationship, any new partner will be discussed before you have the go.
obaeyens 1 month ago
I am polyamoric since I want to give my partner(s) equal opportunity to have another partner for themselves because I love them very much. I feel it would be wrong to have multiple partners for myself and tell them they are not allowed. But there is a limit in number of partners they can have and I can have just for practical resources and time.
obaeyens 1 month ago
Good points Obaeyens. Honestly, when Lostchild06 mentioned that polyamorists had NO standards in practice, he or she simply displayed accepting STEREOTYPES. The only thing some people know is from watching the MAINSTREAM media which would only give you the idea that all polygamists are under Warren Jeffs. I've read several books on polygamy CROSS culturally, and theorized how it would take form when practiced in a culture that is DEMCRatic and has equality between genders, sexuality, etc.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3
Most polyamore people I know live in a closed configuration where there are limits in how many partners are acceptable. My last second relationship stopped when I discovered that she started a relationship with someone hidden, and that guy convinced her that by taking many other partners was ok. So many hidden partners started to pop up WITHOUT asking me if it was ok if she started another relationship. So I terminated that relationship.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@PolyPride3
My poly configuration was complicated. LOL
She was married, and had me and her husband. I have my own partner. Her husband had yet another partner and her partner had also another partner. It was like a WWWW. The end points only had 1 partner, but everyone else had maximum 2 partners. It all changed when she started to"go for the "anything goes mentality" and I broke the link.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens
Thanks for sharing because you have had some really interesting poly experiences. It fascinates me of all of the many and diverse ways poly can be practiced. And believe me I am with you that polyamory can be practiced with good and FAIR rules and standards. ANd I do know that many don't understand that or take the time to learn or live it and they'll quickly label it as just people wanting to have sex with just anybody.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3
The key to understand polyamory is that it is the same as monogamy. With the difference that you have 2 monogamous-like relationships at the same time ;-)
The sad thing is that there are people misusing the word polyamory to have many dates as possible under the false pretence of polyamory. For these people it is not about the love but power to show that they are successful. My second partner fell for such a person. She started to cheat and hide.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@PolyPride3
It is understandable when you grow up in a monogamous mindset as this is the only possible way of relationship, and the only way for having a second lover is when you cheat and hide it, then they have a hard time to associate polyamory with love.
Also the first time you have a second partner, you also get this conditioned mono reflect making it difficult. Not every one is fit for polyamory, you must be very a stable person.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens
I agree. I first read about polyamory after studying polygamy. Then I found Dr. Deborah M. Anapol's books on Polyamory but I haven't read all of it yet. It's really an interesting lifestyle and i'd say a GOOD and honest alternative option to monogamy. There are also plenty of YouTube videos on various people in the polyamory lifestyle. There's even a debate from a University that's about polyamory vs. monogamy. I posted it in the comment section in my profile.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 Actually, no. As I said I have spoken to these people and looked more than just documentaries and books, such as you have admited to yourself. I rather had witnessed it myself and heard it from my own two ears than to just rely on things are could be manipulated to send a certain message.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- I rather had witnessed it myself and heard it from my own two ears than to just rely on things are could be manipulated to send a certain message. -
And I tell you that you have to listen to these people what they really said and not based of what you think they said. Your claims does not fit the polyamore people I know.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens And yours don't fit with the ones I know. Now what?
lostchild06 1 month ago
contd from my last response..
ANd if those polyamorists could legally marry, then some of them would take their form of relationship and turn it into a marriage. In fact, there's a documentary/film on one couple involving a wife who had 2 bisexual husbands. It's called Three of Hearts, a Postmodern Family. They called each other being married to the other but of course it wasn't legal. The trailer used to be on YouTube but now I find it on another website. I can email you the link if you want
PolyPride3 1 month ago
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PolyPride3 1 month ago
cont'd from my last comment..
If poly were legalized and practiced under a non-religious context, you would find SOME cases of same-sex acts between 2 wives whether those 2 wives also marry each other or don't. Again, you don't see that as much now because look who's mostly practicing polygamy - religionists mainly. Ironically, you do find same-sex acts in POLYAMORY and look who's mainly practicing, NON-religionists or for secular reasons. cont'd
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 SOME, you said it your self. These are very very rare occasions. Even in same-sex marriages, they all wouldnt be married to each other and having relationships with each other, there would be one man spouse, as I keep saying over and over again. And as I keep saying over and over again, I PERSONALLY know an ATHEIST polygamous family and they work just the same as the religious ones. It's not a matter of religion, but of basic societal foundations to those relationships.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
I said SOME polygamy would involve same-sex relations in a NON-religious setting. I also disagree on how you think everyone would practice polygamy because you clearly have a bias towards POLYGNY and practiced the MORMON way. You call meeting ONE NON-relgious family as being a fair representation of how MOST non-religious people would practice polygamy? Despite the video/documentary I offered to you? I understand you've studied but try also drawing reasonable conclusions.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- I PERSONALLY know an ATHEIST polygamous family and they work just the same as the religious ones. -
You know one, I know many (polyamory) ;-) The fact that they live in a triangle (MMF or FFM) has nothing to do with religion or not. Polygamy can only have a V or star configuration, in Polyamory you can also have a triangle, W, square or even a cloud configuration. It can be bisexual or cross-family relationships.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens And again, polyamory is different. I know what happens when it goes into the level of polygamy. You are comparing a dating scenario to a marriage, not the same thing at all haha. If you have ever been married you would know this.
lostchild06 1 month ago
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cont'd from my last comment.
In fact, polygamists start off with polyamory (multiple relationships) when they're dating their potential 2nd wife. Just the husband would do this , if you practice based on Christian or Mormon standards. Others may do or come up with a different way.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
If they're not hurting anyone, why does anyone care?
fandanstan 2 months ago
That's the way. Ya know the real reason why women shout STFU and quit complaining that guys want multiple women? Because they can't keep up with us. If you don't think so, Kim Cattral made an interesting documentary on sex and the first thing they interview are women who complain how they prefer being lesbians because the sexual frequency isn't expected with another woman. Men need sex constantly, it is only logical the average man is polygamous.
leonheart00 2 months ago
@leonheart00 I'm curious, how would you explain women who have a higher sex drive/libido than their man?
takkbliss 2 months ago
@takkbliss Sure, that is a rather pleasant rare exception to the rule. Those relationships are much more likely to work but still, men being as pleased visually and sensually as they are it is still likely that one woman will never be enough for a lot of guys deep down. Most will pretend to be happy for the sake of love and to conform, but few honestly just want one for their whole life. It is a huge lie to say otherwise.
leonheart00 2 months ago
@takkbliss Why I imagine that if only women were as heavily stimulated by touch then the more sexual women would always be sleeping around. That's actually a far rarer case than a woman who is just as happy to use a toy frequently. Not the rule of course, there are exceptions but by far it is more rare. If it were equal or even close, male strip clubs would be everywhere. Male prostitutes, the whole 9 yards.
leonheart00 2 months ago
@leonheart00 They are rare indeed, but exist nonetheless. Although, it doesn't make it more likely that the relationship will work... it's an imbalance that leaves the woman feeling sexually unsatisfied and has to be worked on as a couple just like anything else.
Also, I agree that most men may always want multiple partners/more sex deep down, but just because the desire/impulse exists doesn't mean it has to be fulfilled. Self control develops character and integrity regardless of gender.
takkbliss 2 months ago
@takkbliss I just believe people should take the appropriate actions to do what makes them happy. I wouldn't personally be happy being tied down to a woman who had to struggle to fulfill me sexually. Then again, I eventually would feel empty about not being able to see another naked woman, to touch one, to have sex with them.. however a girl who could handle me enough to make me think as little about sex as possible has the highest chance of keeping me. Generally I believe that for many guys.
leonheart00 2 months ago
@leonheart00 You know there are many women, mostly likely half of all women who have a high sex drive. So, I think both polygyny AND polyandry can work with the right type of people.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06 I agree with everything aside from the number of women like that. Believe me, if you research it, it is scientifically proven that more women suffer from lower sex drives and many times really none at all. Countless women have sex only out of duty and not out of pleasure, hence the frequent headaches.If this were true it would be an overwhelming stereotype and single men would never struggle. So I say it is rare and otherwise agree in those less common circumstances.
leonheart00 1 month ago
@leonheart00
I believe when you have polygamy practiced outside of a religious context, then the relationships will probably involve sex with all partners involved. So polygyny would likely become a bisexual thing between the 2 women and the man in the middle. This way, all are getting sex and don't just have to rely on the man for everything.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 not really, I know an Thirst plygamous family and they don't do that. You're just making up assumption from your own fantasies in your head.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
No, I'm not making up fantasies from the top of my head. MOST polygynyist in the US are Christians and it's thought by many Christians that same-sex acts are off limits. So in our highly sexualized world, it's not far fetched predict that polygyny practiced without RELIGIOUS restrictions will in some cases involve same-sex sex between the women. That's already happening among the POLYAMORY crowd.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 Everybody knows polygamy but nobody knows polyamory. ;-)
obaeyens 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 Polyamorous people are VERY different than Polygamous/Polyandrious people. Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone, while Polygamous relationships do have rules and expectations. Polygamous/polyandrous spouses are with one person, which is the main husband or wife. Reason the others are called sister-wives/brother-husbands. You don't date your sister or brother. That is a completely different relationship since they are a family.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
You have an over-generalized understanding of both polygamy and polyamory. I say that because either lifestyle can be practice in many ways and for different reasons, but yet you reduce everyone to one reason and way of practicing. You seem willing to accept hetero polygamy but yet deny bisexual polygamy or same-sex polygamy which are some of the non-religious STANDARDS that I'm referring to. Mormons may practice poly as PLURAL hetero marriage, others may choose a GROUP marriage
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 No, I am speaking about the majority of cases. I was interested in learning about all types of poly relationships from all over the world after watching the show Big Love, and have researched this quite well. Hell, I have even spoken to poly families, including an atheist one. Oh, and most likely in a bisexual marriage, there would be one main wife or husband, the people married to that person wouldnt hook up with each other since they would be more like siblings like hetero ones.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
The majority of the cases of polygamy are either practiced under PATRIARCHAL cultures or in religious contexts. In this country, polygamy is ILLEGAL and it's mostly religionists (MORMONS) who are willing to break the law so I'm not sure what fair and diverse picture you're getting here esp. off of ONE non-religious atheist you've talked to. cont'd
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 Only in the mordern western world, and middle east/some parts of Africa. There Polygamy is practiced based on religious intentions, but it was not always like that in history and in present day in the eastern world, and other parts of the world. There are plenty who do it out of the benefits that plural marriage can bring, as I keep saying, I know an atheist plural family. This is not a rare occassion since plural marriage was always more based on culture than religion.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
Actually you are wrong about polygamy being practiced for religions reasons only in the Middle East and Africa. Factor in Mormonism in America and Canada. Also, in Africa, polygamy is usually practiced based on cultural tradition just like monogamy is practiced like that in America. I have not read of any religious convictions for the many African polygamists, it's just the norm in many of those areas.
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@PolyPride3 "Only in the mordern western world, and middle east/some parts of Africa. " Modern western world, which would include europe, and the Americas. Please, learn to read before jumping into conclusions. Many of the polygamists in Africa are muslim, thus do it for religious reasons since polygamy is in the Quran.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
I apologize for missing where you mentioned the Western world. As far as African polygyny goes, I have not read about any religious-based reasons to practice polygamy. From reading a book on the subject, I only found cultural tradition/economic as being the reasons. Sure the Quran approves of polygamy but that doesn't mean that's why people get married no more than the Bible talking about polygamy and monogamy does not mean that's why people get married in America. cont'd
PolyPride3 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- Polyamorous basically have no limitations in their relationships, anyone can date anyone, while Polygamous relationships do have rules and expectations. -
This is not true. Being polyamorous does not automatically mean that you date everyone. And there are still rules. Also there exists a lot of closed polyamory relationships. 3 or 4 people living together and not have any dates outside this group.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens "basically" ba·si·cal·ly/ˈbāsik(ə)lē/Adverb: 1.In the most essential respects; fundamentally: "a basically simple idea".
2.Used to indicate that a statement summarizes the most important aspects of a more complex situation.
Going by the majority of polyamoury relationships, that is the basic fundamentals. Some do have commitment, but the majority do not. They are mostly dating each other, while polygynist/polyandrist are creating a family together.
lostchild06 1 month ago
@lostchild06
- Some do have commitment, but the majority do not. -
It is the opposite, most are closed groups. Not all of them are triangles, a lot of them are either V or W configurations. Those that are a triangle or square tend to want to stay as a family in one house. The V mostly not. Most poly relationships are actually hidden. You won't find them on interviews. The ones you are referring to happen to be more vocal. Some people misuse polyamory to get many sexdates.
obaeyens 1 month ago
@obaeyens Reason I said some, the ones you have described are done in rare occassions. They do happen, I am not denying this, but the rest are not like that. And as you said tey misuse it to get many sex dates. That's just the sad reality but it does happen.
lostchild06 1 month ago