@Arvendilin It should've taken the place of Starcraft 2 in general in this list. It's had the time to be balanced and mature into the game we all love.
SC2 sucks in comparison to Company of Heroes; pretty cutscenes do not a good strategy game make. Innovation and deep game mechanics do, none of which SC2 has on any level comparable to CoH.
Every detail of Company of Heroes was aimed at realism? That right there is flat out wrong...Company of Heroes is not realistic in the slightest but the core game play and balance is what the focus of the series is and it really shows. I love Company of Heroes. :)
i want to see more RTS on a concules halo wars was just the begin also brutal lengend made another head start, come on developers create some violent RTS on the concules.
Seriously, where the hell is Age of Mythology? I don't care how much more shiny and complicated newer rts games are, Age of Mythology was way more fun.
Company of Heroes is the most in-depth RTS ever made... Starcraft 2 is more of a "click as fast as you can, build up a bunch of stuff, blob, attack, win" game... how anyone can compare Starcraft 2's repetitive and simple gameplay to Company of Heroes' highly dynamic and intelligent design is just shocking. Company of Heroes also features better graphics and the best physics and sound engines out of any RTS to date. The game is simply the best. Period.
@sab3156 Sounds like you never tried supcom FA. Although COH and supcom are even more different than COH and starcraft, the one games that deserves the RTS title is Supcom FA. You can go as deep as you want into clicking or base building.
@MultiSheepsheep wow you better check that out, very weird, i can run CoH at almost Max and yet i can only play SC2 at the lowest of the lowest configurations
@joseaca Wait... what? Really? ... Maybe I should check it out, I get horrible FPS when I run CoH at high/max though... SC2's optimization is still much better.
@MultiSheepsheep oh yeah SC2 is extremely well optimized, but i wouldnt say CoH is badly optimized, i think it has something to do with the kind of graphics cards it accepts, cuz my friend has a similar problem, he can run Batman AA, DeadSpace, among other games just fine (on medium), but when it comes to CoH he also has some FPS problems when he sets everything on max
@joseaca I have an NVIDIA GT220, I can run Dead Space, Batman AA on max too, they're very well optimized, same with Crysis 2... the only modern game I can't max is Skyrim, play it on high :P anyway, anyway to improve FPS in CoH?
@joseaca Wow, forcing vsync off in NVIDIA Control Panel gave me like 80 FPS on max... thanks for telling me dude ^^ I can't belive I didn't know this... probably because the last time I played that game was 2 years ago, anyway it's awesome now. Still more used to Starcraft 2 though :)
but let me warn you, SC2 is MUCH more balanced than CoH, the last patch did a lot for the game, but there are still a few imblanaced things, and a couple of downright broken ones
PE, is a bit too powerful agaisnt US, specially early on, and the brit-wehr matchup is broken, totally, also the staghound is glitched, the roof MG doesnt reload and fires constantly, which is part of the reason why the matchup is broken
@joseaca Well I'm getting better, but I think I won't play online for a while, godda train with skermish on bots, pretty awesome game though, however my top 3 favorite RTS are still: Starcraft 2, Dawn of War 1, CoH :)
@rockshow256 I only tried the demo and I thaught it was so bad that I didn't even finish it... and I've only heard bad things about SC2 and SC1 was waaaaay better and didn't even make it on this list. I also wonder where Generals is :P
@BillZtRoOM Same, Generals beats Rd Alert 2 tbh..People bitch about Starcraft 2 ebcause of imbalances, its a decent game expect its not to hard compared to old SC. :)
@Deizelcore Honestly i really enjoyed Halo Wars but i agree there are a lot of RTS games that are better than Halo Wars. I am a Halo fan either way im also a little upset that 343 Industries is making Halo 4 and probably anymore games to come.
@WIOP6457 Most people can agree that Halo franchise is great as an FPS but definitely not as an RTS, every single games on that top 10 is better (as an RTS) than Halo wars.
AoE3, DoW2, no dota style game, srsly? By only listing the successors of DoW and AoE2 you only make one thing clear: you ain't got a clue about strategy games.
@FalloutBahis I agree with you. Civilization games are in fact RTS games, and also they are really really awesome. All of you noobs who can't even tell that Civ 5 is the bestest and greatest RTS ever made should go and fuck noobs' shit. I'm 120% sure you are not noob sir.
@flingflaminurjimjam thank you sir. Good to know that I am not crazy. Civilization game not in a top ten rts game list = people who made the list don't know what is rts.
does anyone can give me an idea what kind of processor or graphics card or any Pc that can play Rts games please give me a link where i can buy the pc and make sure its safe
MAKE WARCRAFT THREE NUMBER ONE BATTLENET ALL THE WAY
SWfanatic1 15 hours ago in playlist Season 4
ONCE AGAIN ROME BEATS SHOGUN
SWfanatic1 15 hours ago in playlist Season 4
Starcraft 2? What the fuck is that shit doing in that list?
Smutnovsor 15 hours ago in playlist Ten FTW - Vol. 2
What about AE 2?
SgtDanMills 1 day ago
@SgtDanMills
These guys are the type of people who think call of duty is awesome. I doubt they'd appreciate one of the grandaddys of the RTS genre.
PikKirby 18 hours ago
Wheres LOTR BFME 1 or 2. Gandalf is there nufff said
xtranslux 1 day ago
you are ANNOYING. stop saying the numbers like that you make me want to kill a duck.
randomer24700 3 days ago
EAT THIS!
felolis 5 days ago in playlist Season 4
Company of heroes should be first and where the hell is generals zero hour???
n4rz0r 6 days ago
aoe 3 is cool, but boring
alexfuzzzy 1 week ago
At least I can say I've played three of the ten games on here and they were amazing
orin010 1 week ago
StarCraft BroodWar should be 2 :)
Arvendilin 1 week ago
@Arvendilin they only take one game per series
Xzibitfreek 1 week ago in playlist Season 4
@Arvendilin It should've taken the place of Starcraft 2 in general in this list. It's had the time to be balanced and mature into the game we all love.
flametitan100 9 hours ago
Starwars empire at war...u get to use the death star nuff said
Carrieretj 1 week ago in playlist Season 4
@Carrieretj no u dont
The1dynasty1 1 week ago
Civ 5 and Europa universalis 3
darko0803 1 week ago
Saints Row the third!!!
TheCriticalFact 1 week ago
@TheCriticalFact fuck that game
instickzz 1 week ago in playlist Season 4
AGE OF EMPIRES 2 BITCHES!
DevilsCry1982 1 week ago
Be jealous all you RTS wanna be's. watch?v=xSzhEESwlbc
praisegugleourmaster 1 week ago
surprised halo wars wasnt in this, really awesome and epic RTS one of the most fun i ever played (It really should have been a pc game)
MS57KB 2 weeks ago
How could you not have Empire or Napoleon total war on that list!!!!!!!!!
TheSporeHalo 2 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
@TheSporeHalo They'll only allow one game from each franchise on most of these lists.
MrVonFrom 1 week ago in playlist Season 4 2
the Civilization series should be first
hippegod42 2 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
were th f*** is c&c generals zero hour
MegaMalky1 2 weeks ago
im pretty sure company of heros licks my left nut so sc2 is wayyy better
TheFeRRaRi2234 2 weeks ago
Starcraft 2 take the top spot, thats the END of creativity in RTS games
y3ivan 2 weeks ago
Age of Empire: Age of Kings will always be my favorite rts :\
GodofLightening6 2 weeks ago
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SC2 sucks in comparison to Company of Heroes; pretty cutscenes do not a good strategy game make. Innovation and deep game mechanics do, none of which SC2 has on any level comparable to CoH.
wychweapons 2 weeks ago
@BillZtRoOM & joseaca. yes but c&c generals beats all that by a million miles
kill4funisnotsofun 2 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
I want to try that solar empire game
parbelden 2 weeks ago
broooooodwaaaaaar <3 lol
tyniehawk 2 weeks ago in playlist Ten FTW - Vol. 2
I started by watching nyan cat and got here... I need to stop getting lost on YouTube... good vid though
pladderisawesome 2 weeks ago
I am shocked and appalled that Men of War did not make this list
GamerguideJ 2 weeks ago
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@GamerguideJ Not a great game; it lacks escalation and strategy that CoH has.
wychweapons 2 weeks ago
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joseaca 2 weeks ago
SC2 Most difficult, most fun to watch, cinematic, impressively diverse, amazing RTS!
brofenix 2 weeks ago
@brofenix Actually SC2 is pretty easy, CoH is the hard one ^^
MultiSheepsheep 2 weeks ago
i understood the references, and i am half of your guys age
Mrvizslaman 2 weeks ago
What about LOTR: Battle for Middle Earth series :(
JackDenvir 2 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
Company of Heroes is number one!
CallmeJoe5 2 weeks ago
SC2 is 2nd right befor wc3
ulduar255 2 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
@ulduar255 Warcraft III is total shit... the units have too much hp and you can only control like 10 of them at once... fuck that shit.
MultiSheepsheep 2 weeks ago
screw wings of liberty, whens heart of the swarm coming out
Nightsofdream 2 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
Dawn of War 1 beats Dawn of War 2 by far.
MultiSheepsheep 3 weeks ago
Small Soldiers: Squad Commander will always hold a place in my heart.
MySqueezingArm 3 weeks ago
Hearts of Iron 2 shoud have been on this list without a doubt
saksari93 3 weeks ago
@saksari93 That's not an RTS, It's a TBS.
MultiSheepsheep 3 weeks ago
@MultiSheepsheep no the action is in real time, but you can pause the game whenever you want
saksari93 2 weeks ago
Hooray 40k and coh is here , bur why is star craft 2 first even coh kicks its copied ass.
Stug50 3 weeks ago
yay 40k
anedcav 3 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
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.....And this new game ? youtube.com\4villanas
sedtoi 3 weeks ago
men of war is the best!
RaffertyPK 3 weeks ago
Every detail of Company of Heroes was aimed at realism? That right there is flat out wrong...Company of Heroes is not realistic in the slightest but the core game play and balance is what the focus of the series is and it really shows. I love Company of Heroes. :)
ErichvonManstein11 3 weeks ago
Pfft Men of War beats Company of Heroes hands down. Much more realistic and very in-depth.
Ryhnhart 3 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
i want to see more RTS on a concules halo wars was just the begin also brutal lengend made another head start, come on developers create some violent RTS on the concules.
TheOutlawSam 3 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
HOMEWORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YEAAAH!
ultimatedirtclod 3 weeks ago
LONG LIVE COMPANY OF HEROES!
Danox94 3 weeks ago
YES reference ftw!
Seriously, where the hell is Age of Mythology? I don't care how much more shiny and complicated newer rts games are, Age of Mythology was way more fun.
TheNajort 3 weeks ago in playlist Ten FTW - Vol. 2
No Supreme Commander. Welp.
Monkeyulize 3 weeks ago
You two suck
SteA197 3 weeks ago
Company of Heroes is the most in-depth RTS ever made... Starcraft 2 is more of a "click as fast as you can, build up a bunch of stuff, blob, attack, win" game... how anyone can compare Starcraft 2's repetitive and simple gameplay to Company of Heroes' highly dynamic and intelligent design is just shocking. Company of Heroes also features better graphics and the best physics and sound engines out of any RTS to date. The game is simply the best. Period.
sab3156 3 weeks ago 7
@sab3156 Sounds like you never tried supcom FA. Although COH and supcom are even more different than COH and starcraft, the one games that deserves the RTS title is Supcom FA. You can go as deep as you want into clicking or base building.
praisegugleourmaster 3 weeks ago
@sab3156 ZZzzzzZZzzzz.. you obviously haven't played starcraft 2 enough.
AssFragger 1 week ago
@AssFragger You obviously haven't played CoH enough.
UnderScorePT 1 week ago 2
@UnderScorePT Yes i have.
AssFragger 1 week ago
@UnderScorePT i second
orin010 1 week ago
@sab3156 Starcraft 2 is skill based RTS. He helped keeps casual gamers like you away from game.
On3Thought 1 week ago
@sab3156 Nope, men of war beats it every time.
slyfox3333 1 week ago
I also got the Yes references
Toatony 3 weeks ago
WARHAMMER!!!
Toatony 3 weeks ago
Half the list isn't RTS, no mention of BW and CoH fans still don't understand Starcraft. This is a mess.
bolognaslam 3 weeks ago
love coh
FALLau1 3 weeks ago
this list is bullshit. Were the fuck is starcraft broodwar
kyleisreallycool 3 weeks ago
CoH is the best RTS game BY FAR
SC2 cant even touch it
joseaca 3 weeks ago 14
@joseaca Since my PC can only run it on medium and I can run Starcraft 2 maxed, fuck CoH, Starcraft II FTW!
MultiSheepsheep 3 weeks ago
@MultiSheepsheep wow you better check that out, very weird, i can run CoH at almost Max and yet i can only play SC2 at the lowest of the lowest configurations
joseaca 3 weeks ago
@joseaca Wait... what? Really? ... Maybe I should check it out, I get horrible FPS when I run CoH at high/max though... SC2's optimization is still much better.
MultiSheepsheep 3 weeks ago
@MultiSheepsheep oh yeah SC2 is extremely well optimized, but i wouldnt say CoH is badly optimized, i think it has something to do with the kind of graphics cards it accepts, cuz my friend has a similar problem, he can run Batman AA, DeadSpace, among other games just fine (on medium), but when it comes to CoH he also has some FPS problems when he sets everything on max
you dont have an NVidia Card right?
joseaca 2 weeks ago
@joseaca I have an NVIDIA GT220, I can run Dead Space, Batman AA on max too, they're very well optimized, same with Crysis 2... the only modern game I can't max is Skyrim, play it on high :P anyway, anyway to improve FPS in CoH?
MultiSheepsheep 2 weeks ago
@MultiSheepsheep unfortunately no, sorry, i didnt do anything special
but i did a quick google search and found some articles, they are a bit old but maybe they can help you
try searching "Company of heroes improve FPS"
joseaca 2 weeks ago
@joseaca Thanks for helping me, I'll start searching for my CoH DVD right now ^^
MultiSheepsheep 2 weeks ago
@joseaca Wow, forcing vsync off in NVIDIA Control Panel gave me like 80 FPS on max... thanks for telling me dude ^^ I can't belive I didn't know this... probably because the last time I played that game was 2 years ago, anyway it's awesome now. Still more used to Starcraft 2 though :)
MultiSheepsheep 2 weeks ago
@MultiSheepsheep still you must admit is a nice change of pace
but let me warn you, SC2 is MUCH more balanced than CoH, the last patch did a lot for the game, but there are still a few imblanaced things, and a couple of downright broken ones
PE, is a bit too powerful agaisnt US, specially early on, and the brit-wehr matchup is broken, totally, also the staghound is glitched, the roof MG doesnt reload and fires constantly, which is part of the reason why the matchup is broken
joseaca 2 weeks ago
@joseaca Well I'm getting better, but I think I won't play online for a while, godda train with skermish on bots, pretty awesome game though, however my top 3 favorite RTS are still: Starcraft 2, Dawn of War 1, CoH :)
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joseaca 2 weeks ago
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@MultiSheepsheep bleh alright as you wish bro, im still more of a CoH guy
joseaca 2 weeks ago
@joseaca And war begins :P
brofenix 2 weeks ago
@joseaca Get real.
MrShrapnelDK 1 week ago
Methinks Blizzard bribes here to get Starcraft 2 nr 1 :P Still. 3 Relic games.
Propagandacast 3 weeks ago
Starcraft2 is first LOL, Company of Heroes beats is by a mile
BillZtRoOM 3 weeks ago 19
@BillZtRoOM People voted, i understand that lots of people like you love CoH. However you got admit, SC2 is SC2.
rockshow256 3 weeks ago
@rockshow256 I only tried the demo and I thaught it was so bad that I didn't even finish it... and I've only heard bad things about SC2 and SC1 was waaaaay better and didn't even make it on this list. I also wonder where Generals is :P
BillZtRoOM 3 weeks ago
@BillZtRoOM Same, Generals beats Rd Alert 2 tbh..People bitch about Starcraft 2 ebcause of imbalances, its a decent game expect its not to hard compared to old SC. :)
rockshow256 3 weeks ago
@BillZtRoOM wow, somone actually agrees with me
12combo 2 weeks ago
@BillZtRoOM no just no
minja30000 1 week ago in playlist Season 4
@CoTTTonEyedJoE well I liked halo wars im a huge Halo fan :3
shadowdevil2998 3 weeks ago
I've been waiting for this for soooooo long
DrunkPotatoe 3 weeks ago
you guys need to check out Supreme Commander 2
GigaStormRider 3 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
@GigaStormRider Lies. Go straight to Supcom FA. Forget Supcom 2.
praisegugleourmaster 3 weeks ago
@praisegugleourmaster That is also a great game but so is Supreme Commander 2. They should check them both out.
GigaStormRider 3 weeks ago
best rts games ever are the men of war series and faces of war..... just fucking flawless
ScarsOfTheCrucifix 3 weeks ago
I dont see halo wars >.>
shadowdevil2998 4 weeks ago
@shadowdevil2998 thats because halo wars is terrible
CoTTTonEyedJoE 3 weeks ago
@shadowdevil2998
Perhaps it's because Halo Wars was never a good RTS.
Deizelcore 3 weeks ago
@Deizelcore Honestly i really enjoyed Halo Wars but i agree there are a lot of RTS games that are better than Halo Wars. I am a Halo fan either way im also a little upset that 343 Industries is making Halo 4 and probably anymore games to come.
shadowdevil2998 3 weeks ago
@JohnTheKiller11 if u dont like his comment , dont read it , dick
overlordkgk 4 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
why isn't C&C RA3 here
W4rl0rd1 4 weeks ago
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W4rl0rd1 4 weeks ago
sins of a solar empire.... wht a piece of s***t
axlkurt 1 month ago
@axlkurt if you don't like it make your own list
JohnTheKiller11 4 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
Isn't Shogun total war turn based?
Manoaureal 1 month ago
@Manoaureal Yes it is
Shoothenoob 3 weeks ago
@Manoaureal with RTS battles
littleheadspin 3 weeks ago
where is rome total war i mean im all for samurai but rome total war was in my mind one of the best if not the best rts
ajdrobot 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
I was expecting supreme commander 1/2/forgedalliance
Goldspar1 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
I'm guessing that Aoe3 is 7 because it only works for Xp
SirRyfi 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
@SirRyfi I played it perfectly on Windows 7 >.>
MultiSheepsheep 2 weeks ago
no halo wars?
WIOP6457 1 month ago
@WIOP6457 Most people can agree that Halo franchise is great as an FPS but definitely not as an RTS, every single games on that top 10 is better (as an RTS) than Halo wars.
bcmin12 1 month ago
NO COMMAND AND CONQUER !!!
TheCommenEagle 1 month ago
holy shit no dune games???
xXPhoenixSlayerXx 1 month ago
eeh, warcraft 3 is kinda old now :/ or mabye i just don't like fantasy and the rpg feeling
quicksc0p3d 1 month ago
Where's
sparta2662 1 month ago
Let's not jump to conclusions. I love Yes.
mavdog5 1 month ago
LOL or Tales of Symphonia?
TheKingdomOfQuinn 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
@TheKingdomOfQuinn do you even know what a rts is lol?
yoshi10021 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
@TheKingdomOfQuinn none of those are rts games...
Gudorift 1 month ago
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@TheKingdomOfQuinn none of those are rts games...
Gudorift 1 month ago
@TheKingdomOfQuinn
LOL is a MOBA, not an RTS
Deizelcore 3 weeks ago
affs RTS futuristic is Medieval RTS games!
MegaJexsBr 1 month ago
No Halo wars. Lolno. Still though, i'm the only person who liked that game...
editmangiffard 1 month ago
@editmangiffard i still like it. i still play it
samuelgh11 1 month ago
@editmangiffard I think so
Matthew94R 4 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
Does no one get the fact that these are THEIR top 10 favorites? Not majority of the gaming community's?
ShadowSlayer451 1 month ago
Oh, and no Supcom? The fuck?
FinderofNemo 1 month ago
AoE3, DoW2, no dota style game, srsly? By only listing the successors of DoW and AoE2 you only make one thing clear: you ain't got a clue about strategy games.
gruftschreck 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
@gruftschreck Completely agreed.
FinderofNemo 1 month ago
Don't ever stop making these. Highlight of youtube for me seriously
thatsafiretruck 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
FALLOUT TACTICS???
mesteriassasin 1 month ago
Nice Jurassic Park reference.
IAMTHECANADIAN114 1 month ago
star wars empire at war?
men of war?
cmmmmooonnnn
Dukenukem12000 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
are you guys noobs or am I? here I was waiting for ANY civ game and what? No civilization game on this list. Fuck this noobs shit...
FalloutBahis 1 month ago
@FalloutBahis I agree with you. Civilization games are in fact RTS games, and also they are really really awesome. All of you noobs who can't even tell that Civ 5 is the bestest and greatest RTS ever made should go and fuck noobs' shit. I'm 120% sure you are not noob sir.
flingflaminurjimjam 1 month ago
@flingflaminurjimjam thank you sir. Good to know that I am not crazy. Civilization game not in a top ten rts game list = people who made the list don't know what is rts.
FalloutBahis 1 month ago
@flingflaminurjimjam Can you tell the difference between turn based and real time?
Civs is an amazing game but I do remember something about turns...
praisegugleourmaster 1 month ago
NO HALO WARS?!?!?!?
AreWeGoodYet 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
@AreWeGoodYet halo wars was a shit rts
morrislachlan 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
@AreWeGoodYet LOL. Seriously?! HAHAHA. Sorry, but Halo Wars was simplified shit.
mmmyea445 1 month ago
AW YEAH HOMEWORLD we definitely need homeworld 3
peepsbates 1 month ago
I would've loves C&C Generals mentioned, but no Supreme Commander? It's the largest mapped RTS!
Bloodcurse13 1 month ago
Homeworld! Well deserved mention
Hynnin11 1 month ago
STARCRAFT FTW :D
daniel6273 1 month ago
WHAT!? There's no MW3 or BF3 comments? or angry about not being on the list?
alexn168 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
@alexn168 Last i checked those games are not Real Time Strategy Games. Im sorry.
ChubboSaurusRex 1 month ago
@ChubboSaurusRex You missed the joke.
alexn168 1 month ago
I like Yes...
edblaster2000 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
I got the Yes references! And I'm only 15! Fuck yeah!
ApocalypseLayne7 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
How did I know starcraft 2 was going to be number!? :)
CODMWF21 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
Pikmin!!!
ElementXII 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
Sc2 shouldn't be number 1 and xcom needs to be there instead or COH cuz that shit is amazing
voom41 1 month ago
does anyone can give me an idea what kind of processor or graphics card or any Pc that can play Rts games please give me a link where i can buy the pc and make sure its safe
gozaimas1 1 month ago
Empire Earth 1
starcr123 1 month ago
Ok WTF? Crusader, Halo Wars, Hells Highway, spore...
sk8erpro10 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
Y No Picmin!!!!!
tardoin97 1 month ago
No Europa Universalis 3? Or Victoria 2?
Warpmek 1 month ago
This is their list; their top 10. I was kinda sad not seeing Rome Total War. And the original AOE is my favorite.
1Tyrano1 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
What about Pikmin!!!!!!!!
omaster567 1 month ago
were's sanctum?
legomaster8675 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
23 and love prog. Totally caught all the Yes references : P
Free2shred00 1 month ago
NO AOMT, NO STARCRAFT 1? Shesh.
Matortheeternal 1 month ago 33
@Matortheeternal You complain because Starcraft is not on the list while Starcraft 2 is number 1? Whiny assholes...
misterStevePikk 1 month ago
@Matortheeternal shesh.....????......you mean: go die motherfuckers!!!!!!!
Mrjablles69 1 month ago in playlist Season 4 2