Breitbart tv » Obama Dems in ‘05 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founders’ Intent

[ELMOcall911]

i have seen a younger picture of NAZI Hillary NWO SCUM Clinton literrally look like bill clinton

[coogs7738]

the dems are doing the same thing right now with health care..but they are also for the nuclear option... why werent they for it then? they are so insanely hypocritical it makes me laugh

[bryce2197]

Of course its different than the Nuclear option, thats why these democrats are choosing it. When they lose power this November they are going to want the filibuster as an option for themselves. Reconciliation is in "effect" the same thing as the nuclear option. You break rules! Neither side should be doing that. DON'T tread on my Democracy Obama!

[rmarsh6969]

I am more afraid of my own government then I am of American Muslims.

[VailPatriot]

Yeah, he's not a Muslim (wwnn)... he said so! And we all know OweBama always tells the truth!

ALL of these elected Democrats are two-faced lying sacks of corrupt, duplicitous, equivocating Leftist scum.

They are not the Democrats of our fathers; there isn't a Truman or JFK among them. The entire party has been hijacked by the Progressives, AKA Liberals, AKA Socialists and the U.S. Communist Party.

[Salamau5]

god i fucking hate you

[lawdood]

Wake up and stop believing everything the right wing liars tell you, the nuclear option is NOT about reconciliation, it's about getting rid of the filibuster all together by declaring it unconstitutional with a simple majority. Google it.

[joecraine69shimself]

Thank you! I was just about to comment on that, but you beat me to the punch. And what the maker of this video fails to include is the scores of Republicans complaining about minority stall tactics that deprived the President of getting a simple up or down vote. I remember this because I was a Republican at the time. Truth be told, both sides are being hypocritical with this, but it this isn't like Obama is steam rolling this past us. If that were the case we'd have this back in August.

[carlsonpp]

"Simply majority power in each house that is not what the founders intended." Barry O in 2005.

[mitchswpt]

The Nuclear Option has NOTHING to do with health care or reconciliation! This is video about a theoretical parlimentary manuever that would elliminate the filibuster altogether. The GOP threatened to use it in '05. Incidently; of the 21 times reconcilliation has been used, 16 were by the GOP.

[joecraine69shimself]

Reconciliation is how they got COBRA passed as it's in the acronym. Back In '05 I was still with the GOP, although not with the conservatives, I bought the lien about the President deserving the right to get a up or down vote. He just won re-election and I believe he deserved that courtesy. However, it is now 2010 and they want to call it the nuclear option, when the terms aren't even the same. And now they also are invoking filibusters. or threats of filibusters, at record pace. What a joke.

[roscoe85cj]

gonna be lonely in Washington after next November without any Dimocrats to kick around

[jcincolo1]

WOW what a bunch of rat fucks...can you beleive the hypocrisy of these folks that always claim conservative folks are hypocrites? This is beyone that....these lib fucks are just deranged and mentally ill.....let em do it....they will all go down

[daisymom4]

The arrogance of them all!!!!

[niaceo1]

share the wealth, have you ever heard the fable of robinhood, maybe obama wears green tights under his pants with his merry men/communist czars, giving more money to buy crack and kill babies through abortions, he is a lying sack of dog do, has no business being called president and i for one refuse to call him president. he is a president with no country behind him, just drunken joe biden, crazy lady nancy pelosi and harry no balls reid, soon to all be in the unemployment line !

[aaronmdutton]

lol thats probably why they are trying to force national healthcare, they realize theyll be out of a job soon

[KenMacMillan]

That's it, they're about to take one for the team. That's why we need constitutional republicans who will repair the damage they do on their way out.

[niaceo1]

look at the history of obama, he had never worked or ran anything.  he was a community organizer, organizing ACORN. He is a muslim, socialis liar, pushing forward all his pork and his wife with the man legs and kanckles, racist BXXXX!

[joecraine69shimself]

He's not a Muslim, as it seems people fail to under the concept of conversion and the fact that the faith of one's parents may not be the faith of the child. And how is he racist? He's a mulatto and was raised by white grandparents for a chunk of his life. And if he were a Muslim what would that have to do with anything? Look ,you don't have to dig obama or his policies, but don't perpetuate the myths and lies when you know better. Unless you don''t know better and buy this shit wholesale?

[klm1269]

dc4047a

of course it pertains to what is happening today. Democrats are considering the nuclear option to pass health care reform. Back then they were appalled that it was even considered at all. That is called hypocrisy.

[GunOwnerDan]

Those dirty democrats and rotten republicans can only destroy America if we let them!

[GunOwnerDan]

How do you know when a politician is telling the truth?

When they call another politician a liar!

[berkglenn]

There is no filibuster they just want to use the Nuclear Option to pass their agenda.They are debating our future. Obamacare will cost $1.6 trillion $800 billion in tax and fee hikes. If the health reform bills are passed by the Senate it will constitute a complete government takeover of 17 percent of the American economy.The Republicans use the Nuclear Option to break tie votes, tax cuts, or for Supreme Court appointees but not for anything that will change the whole way of American life.

[dik12in]

Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.---Albert Einstein

[HawkNightDragon]

Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. --- Albert Einstein

[astewart2005]

The "nuclear option" is not reconciliation.

The "nuclear option" is eliminating the filabuster by simple majority.

The Republicans, in 2005, threatened to eliminate the filabuster, by simple majority (51 votes, including the VP). That would mean no more filabustering ever. Every vote would be a simple majority vote.

That is the nuclear option.

Reconciliation was used for both Bush tax cuts, in total 21 times in the last 30 years.

Those are the facts.

[dik12in]

No one said it was. The footage shows Democrats referring to the importance of the filibuster to the foundation of this country, all their points are good points and good arguments. However simply laundering something through the budget through technicality so as to bypass filibuster--something that you once purported to champion--on a bill that is much larger in scope than the average budget decision makes you a liar and hypocrite. These bozos don't have a virtuous bone in their bodies.

[DisasterBlaster2]

Health care was killed, why is Obama having a summit? Because he has his own manchurian candidate policy to pass it. Reconciliation and the nuclear option are backdoor ways of passing a dead bill. And Obama is the fallguy to pass it. For five decades this has been planned and now the American people are seeing their goverment behind closed doors in the open. There is nothing misleading about this video, it's just politics as usual. George Bush 1, Obama 52.

[berkglenn]

The problem is there is no filibuster. They have the majority and still cant get it passed. They want to use the nuclear option just to get their agenda passed. This is not a simple normal every day objection of putting on a justice or spending money on the roads or farm aid. This is the biggest tax hike in history that will cost us $1.6 Trillion dollars. And their using this for something the majority of Americans dont want.

[berkglenn]

Your missing the point of the video. Its showing how the democrats acted when they were in the minority. How they didnt want the republicans to use the nuclear option to appoint Supreme Court justices and how bad it was. Now there in the majority and want to use it to pass the health care bill. That shows the double standers they have. It OK for us Democrats to use but not for you Republicans. More lies. As far as bullshit,its coming right out of their own mouths.

[dc4047a]

My god, this video is so much bullshit. The nuclear option is a parliamentary technique to end the filibuster forever. Budget reconciliation is a way of passing legislation linked to the budget through a simple majority. Anyone who buys this is accepting a lie, and anyone who deliberately cites this is advancing a lie.

[dik12in]

@dc4047a:

Reconciliation is "a way" of passing legislation linked to a budget? Really? How exactly? BY ENDING THE THREAT OF FILIBUSTER! The fact that budget reconciliation is not superficially identical to the nuclear option couldn't be more irrelevant. Why not argue that their spelled differently too? The point is that ARGUMENTS against either one are identical. They are both espoused in support of filibusterer. Dems LOVED the filibuster until now. But now, it's obstructionist.

[dc4047a]

Democrats in 2010, unlike Republicans in 2005, aren't trying to END the filibuster. Reconciliation has been used 21 times in the past two decades. It's a check on the filibuster for budget-related measures, tough guy. The video is propaganda because it's misleading. That's what propaganda is. The Democrats aren't doing anything unethical. Sorry.

[dik12in]

So, let me get this straight. By simple virtue of the Healhcare reform's linkage to federal expenditure, use of budget reconciliation (BYPASSING THE THREAT OF FILLIBUSTER) when the matter is far more than merely a budget conformance measure is not unethical? It's been used 21 times? How many times has healthcare been almost thoroughly overhauled? Say Obama's in budget included building concentration camps nationwide. Simply bc its in the budget filibuster is obstructionist? Yeah...

[dc4047a]

Say included in Obama's budget was a provision for using federal funds to use nuclear weapons to eradicate every single person in the United States. Never going to happen, just as there's not going to be concentration camps. Health Care overhaul has already been passed, Reconciliation is just to fix it up. There's nothing wrong with using it.

[dik12in]

You don't get it. My point is that saying it's perfectly okay doesn't hold true in all instances, as in the example of concentration camps, which however unlikely is theoretically possible. You think it's impossible bc it would be unpopular, but this bill is obscenely unpopular. Hence the flaw. In this instance we're talking about something that is unpopular and contentious. If anything this exactly when filibuster would be most appropriate. Dem's logic falls on its own sword as does yours.

[dc4047a]

No, I do get it. It's become a talking point by reform oppoents that using reconciliation is synonymous with using the nuclear option. It's not. The video is attempting to paint Democrats as hypocrites by opposing the nuclear option when they were in the minority when they apparently support it in the majority, which they don't. The overall bill is unpopular, but then you break it down and basically every major provision is popular. That's irrelevant though; this video is deliberately misleading

[dik12in]

Firstly, it's not a talking point. The fact is the video reveals both democrats AND republicans as hypocrites. As such, both dems and republicans are right and they are also wrong. It just depends on what you believe. I would agree with everything that these Dems/hypocrites say in this video. To argue that was then this is now, or that their arguments supporting filibuster don't hold up in this situation by virtue of semantics or irrelevant differences is to defend truth only if convenient.

[dik12in]

Also, what do you mean "anyone who buys this is accepting a lie, and anyone who deliberately cites this is advancing a lie?" Are you retarded? All the video shows is what democrats did and said, shows their arguments. Where's the lie? Where's the connection? God, you liberals are just the dumbest people in the world.

[dc4047a]

Yeah, "us liberals" (meaning me and me alone, because I'm the only one talking) must be dumb as shit because they (me) have called out a video that shows footage of Democrats opposing ending the filibuster for the rest of American history and pretending that it's somehow related to budget reconciliation. Sorry, but this video is propaganda.

[dik12in]

IT IS RELATED TO BUDGET RECONCILIATION DUMBASS! No need to keep saying you're sorry, you've established as much quite effectively.

[dc4047a]

Really? Wanna explain to me how? Good luck.

[dik12in]

Also, saying this video is propaganda is just hopelessly stupid and a lie in and of itself. There's no fat guy commentary, scary music. It's just past footage of something similar in context and content to current issues. By itself, it cannot be said to even have the intention of misleading anyone. It's evocation in another context might, but when discussing reconciliation) it's perfectly appropriate as it undoubtedly highlights hypocrisy and inconsistency. Who's really being misleading?

[dc4047a]

Breitbart is being misleading. Opposing ending the filibuster is not the same as supporting budget reconciliation. That's a fact.

[dik12in]

No one said it's the same, that's a fact. So you're claim that this is misleading is misleading= Fact.

[dc4047a]

Except that the entire point of this video is to try and paint Democrats are hypocrites on an issue in which they aren't hypocritical at all. It's deliberately misleading.

[dik12in]

The fact that you're willing to overlook when you're being misled should raise some serious doubts in your abilities to discern truth from lies. Which part is deliberately misleading? Please provide evidence of these intentions to mislead and demonstrate how they've manifested themselves in the form of this video alone. Good luck. Do yourself a favor and look at what you're saying. Then ask yourself why you're really saying it without lying to yourself. Then tell me it holds up. Good luck.

[dc4047a]

I know what I'm saying. This video doesn't show any Democrats as hypocrites because it doesn't pertain to anything currently taking place in America.

[dik12in]

@dc4047a If you do know what you're saying and you actually believe it, then you're an idiot.

It pertains quite a bit to a lot of what is taking place in America at the moment, and you know it. You just want to dismiss something as untrue due to something minor, cut off your nose to spite your face as they say. But the truth is that this video at this point in time shows the people of your party--people who don't give a crap about you btw--for what they are: Hypocrites and liars.

[dc4047a]

Yeah, by doing what? Opposing permanently ending the filibuster in 2005? How does that relate to anything that "is taking place in America at the moment" that I apparently "know it?"

[Irishlager5]

the song necropolis by the black dahlia murder explains it all.

[cardsguy76]

Senate Democrats in 2005: 51 votes to pass anything in the U.S. Senate=tyrannical government, abuse of power Senate Democrats in 2010: requiring 51 votes to pass legislation affecting 1/7 of the U.S. Economy=getting stuff done

[1Vice]

do both bypass a filabuster?

Yes.

That's all we need to know...

Looks like Democrats are wrong on the issue's again!!!!

[MyRealPolitik]

Reconciliation is NOT the "nuclear option." They're not even close to the same thing.

Reconciliation is a tactic used to pass budgetary and fiscal legislation with a simple majority.

The "nuclear option" is a proposal to declair the filibuster unconstitutional, thus eliminating the filibuster entirely (hence to name "nuclear option.") The Democrats protested the use of this nuclear option, they were NOT protesting the use of reconciliation in this video.

[jensen1901]

Reconciliation process is part of congressional budget process. It has been repeatedly used by Republican-controlled Senates. The budget reconciliation process is defined by the U.S. House Committee on Rules as "part of the congressional budget process." The GOP now wants to cry and define it as the "nuke option." Total BS. They used it about 20 times. Republicans used reconciliation process to pass Bush's 2001 tax cut, the Economic Growth Reconciliation of 2001; Bush's 2003 tax cuts etc

[MVRWC]

stax, yawn, you are clueless. reconciliation is a way around a filibuster. get a clue, borrow one.

[staxringold]

The nuclear option was abolishing the filibuster. (Some) Dems are proposing using reconciliation. Admittedly on a type of bill it is generally not used on, but it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with abolishing the filibuster. Keep listening to a made up narrative, though.

[VideoSeattle]

@staxingold

This "nuclear option" has everything to do with abolishing THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. 2/3rds of AMERICANS reject govt run healthcare. It's not a solution, its a power grab that includes 1/6th of the US economy. The US Constitution, our governing document, is crystal clear about limiting the size and scope of government. Obama, and many liberals in Congress, are crystal clear about defying such strict parameters. Now, WE THE PEOPLE demand representation or their replacement.

[ForTehNguyen]

LMAO epic hypocrisy. We've all been had, Id love to see someone even try to defend this.

[vinceman]

hypocritical jerks

[sixletter]

The Democrats had their panties all in a bunch over the Republicans proposing to approve judicial nominees with only 51 votes in 2005.

[rgonz71]

Why is this video stuck at 303 views?

[the1stmikec]

When I first saw your post it was 10:15 PM in Chicago (C.S.T). The time stamp on your comment was 1 hour ago and the view count was 303. It is now 11:30 and the time stamp on your comment is 2 hours ago. The view count is still 303. I have emailed many of my friends since 10:15 and they all viewed it. I dont know when they update the view count, but something seems fishy. I wonder if this has anything to do with the meeting tomorrow. Im switching to BING for my searches, screw Google.

[jovidman69]

Did you hear Biden?

"I pray God that when the Democrats take back control we don't make the kind of naked power grab you are doing."

Wake up folks, you've been had by these people.

[JohnDubya]

"The arrogance of power."

-Biden

This is unbelievable. Such clear hypocrisy. Irrefutable. This is why so many Americans are livid with Congress, especially with the Democrats. But mark my words: if the Republicans gain back control and do the same type of crap, there will continue to be wild swings of party power in Congress.

[scallaway]

Not so ez to search on...wow, there's a surprise....thanks, google!/YouTube!

[slappy1234567]

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S

[894359]

The height of a stack of 1,000,000 one dollar bills measures 4,300 inches or 358 feet about the height of a 30 to 35 story building.

The height of a stack of 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) one dollar bills measures 67,866 miles. This would reach more than one fourth the way from the earth to the moon.

[scatpack68]

Bush didn't use the 51 vote majority to pass a bill to take over 1/6 of the US economy and give themselves the ability to pull the rug out from under ALL senior citizens, hoping they will die. That's a purely liberal Democrat move. Wake up Daisymom, you're taxes will increase and get used to standing in line behind some illegal in the emergency room. HOPE AND CHANGE BABY!

[VideoSeattle]

In a perfect world, dems rename "nuclear" and call it reconciliation and NOBODY NOTICES!

The issue at hand is that Congress and the Oval are not serving (listening to) WE THE PEOPLE. A majority of Americans oppose govt run healthcare. And for that matter, a majority also reject cap and trade, which would kill jobs. However, arrogant politicians claim they know what's best. We say their radical agenda must be stopped. This govt is not serving us, its dictating. That IS TYRANNY and ARROGANCE.

[cano21]

I want to buy you a beer you said that so well. It's shameful what's happening in Washington.

[qazalac]

STAND UP JOE! awe what am i talking about? you cant. well EVERYBODY, STAND UP!, STAND UP FOR JOE!!!!!!!!!

[daisymom4]

Hmm so it's wrong when bush did it but ok for them to use it??? Both parties make me sick!

[lstewal]

"living document"?

"how can we know the intentions of the authors of these comments?"

How about 'reading' them?

[armyofonerd]

Awesome video, nothing like throwing the words of the democrats right back at them. Now they are trying to use the "nuclear option" for the pathetic healthcare bill that the majority does not want, but they want to achieve a power grab under the title of a healthcare bill and here is an exact example of them saying they would not support this type of power grab while using the 51 vote option and yet that is exactly what the democrats are trying to do. "You lie" = democrat!!

[InGratiaDei]

But let's be fair. If the Constitution is a "living document", capable of being interpreted through a judge's Barney (the purple dinosaur) imagination, then what you see here are "living statements" that can be reinterpreted to mean other than what they meant back in the distant past. I mean, how can we know the intentions of the authors of these comments? Couldn't they have been arguing against a simple majority vote while they really argued for it? See? All is perfectly consistent.

[mompatriot1]

I would like to see this video sent to each politician that appears.

[lstewal]

"Fun", but sad.

[cano21]

Wicked video. These idiots will ruin themselves. It's almost fun to watch.