Unionism, Irish Protestants and Ulster Loyalists

[scotinulster]

Historically accurate and un-biased. Good video.

[Barry62152]

I used to be a Prodestant Christian/Buddhist. But now that i realize that religion is bullshit, i'm an atheist and i'm proud that i'm an atheist now.

[Barry62152]

So fucking what? I used to be a fuckin Prodestant Christian mixed with Buddhism, until i became an atheist. So what?

[THETACTICALUK]

@Barry62152  ha buddhism lol

[xUK91x]

Anyhow, i think its pointless pushing for a united Ireland or for it to remain in the UK, sooner or later we are all going to get sucked up into the European Superstate and tbh there is nothing we can really do to prevent it.

[LeoRose777]

The problem in Northern Ireland is that there are too many Catholics and too many Protestants but not enough Christians.

[Frodojo111]

@LeoRose777

That is actually a fantastic quote! I am totally going to annotate your name when I use it.

[LeoRose777]

@Frodojo111 Thanks but its not actually my quote. I should have put his name when I wrote it but I couldn't remember who it was at the time. It was Frank Carson, an Irish comedian who said it.

[ganjaking187]

@LeoRose777 thats probably one of the smartest things ive heard in awhile lol good comment.

[UlsterDefenders1690]

Very interesting video. Very well made.

[qwertypoiu4321]

That is just a fact. The 4 Catholic counties of the 6 counties of occupied Ireland should be allowed to join into unoccupied Ireland.

[Catholicism777]

@qwertypoiu4321

Well that's not even a fact. It's an opinion.

[qwertypoiu4321]

@Catholicism777 The Protestants were coercively planted in Northern Ireland from 1556 through to the 1600s. 40% of occupied Ireland Catholic want a United Ireland, and another 39% of occupied Ireland Catholic want a devolved UK. 40+% of British support an unoccupied Ireland and 80% of non-occupied Ireland support ending the British occupation of occupied Ireland. The 4 out of 6 counties where the 79% Catholics are the majority should be allowed to decide if they want to leave occupied Ireland.

[Catholicism777]

@qwertypoiu4321

Ireland is an island. It's rock and dirt surrounded by water. It's the people who inhabit it who should decide how they should be governed. The majority of Northern Ireland want to remain part of the united kingdom. Northern Ireland is part of the nation-state of the United Kingdom. It's undemocratic to force a completely seperate cultural group into another purely because it's part of your own nationalist perspective.

[qwertypoiu4321]

@Catholicism777 A re-partition of the 4 catholic counties of the 6 counties of partitioned Ireland would be self-determination, instead of forcing them to submit to British-planted Protestant-Loyalist rule.

[Catholicism777]

@qwertypoiu4321

I agree. That would be the most reasonable solution.

[Ulstermandd]

@Catholicism777 Boys the big reason that Ulsters in a state is that peoples views have been pushed onto an often un agreeing people...just leave us alone....we'll decide our future. Thanks.

[Ulstermandd]

@Catholicism777 PS: Great video will be recommending.

[Catholicism777]

@Ulstermandd

Thanks!

[DonegalRaymie201]

@Catholicism777

If History has taught us anything, it is that 1 cannot force people to be part of a Union they do not want!

Now that applies equally to both sides, but at present, NI folk want to be in the UK, not Eire, & that we must respect!

Fair play to you all!

[xUK91x]

@DonegalRaymie201 if only people seen the problem the way you do *sigh*, but new generations get brain washed with bigot facts and slander, mentally establishing the next wave of terrorists. You have to ask yourself though, how many of these IRA actually have good jobs and a good education? Instead of spending their childhoods skiving of school and drinking cheap alcohol...

[cuculainn1970]

what song is this?

[Catholicism777]

@cuculainn1970

Ich Bin Ein Auslander - Pop will Eat itself

[DonegalRaymie201]

I won't take issue with your mainly accurate comments in this video, but just add, that the Famine of the 1840s was not confined to the South, or even just Ireland! It led to massive emigration of not only Catholic, but Protestant also, to Mainland Industrial UK. Which is why the Sectarian Conflict was transfered with them, (if you ever wondered why somewhere like Glasgow is like a continuation of NI's problems & at times the focus of it!)

Good post though.

[Catholicism777]

@DonegalRaymie201

Well yes you're absolutely right. In fact there was a famine in Europe as well as the UK. The potato blight actually spread over from America!

But considering the video could only really be as long as the song, I would have had to cut out a large chunk to add that in. Basically I only put in the bit concerning Northern Ireland and the Unionists because that was the specific area I was concentrating on...

Thanks though!

[flute4hire]

@Catholicism777 I didnt know the united irishmen were mostly protestant, i knew wolfie tones was. I also found out that Michael Stone (miltown gunman) was Catholic born which I found funny.

[Catholicism777]

@flute4hire

Oh really? I had heard rumours that he was. Very odd.

[flute4hire]

@Catholicism777 it shows how religion was just a convenient excuse on both sides.

i dont realy thing the Gerry & Gusty were exacly choir boys in there IRA & UVF days..

[RawJobber]

@DonegalRaymie201 I might be wrong but I'm fairly Glasgow was the only place on the mainlands that suffered from the huge sectarian nonsense. Places like Middlesbrough and Liverpool, two very high Irish Immigration locations, especially never really faced the scale of violence & hatred that we've seen in Glasgow & NI. Although, Irish & Catholics were treated like 2nd class citizens - outside B&Bs, you would find "no black & Irish). Royal Family not allowed to marry a catholic etc

[DonegalRaymie201]

@RawJobber

No, you're right largely! There was of course plenty of "resentment" from the Native English in Liverpool or Middlesboro to the immigrant Irish, there wasn't the same Sectarian divisions.

The reason is actually quite simple. The immigrant Irish in England were almost entirely from the South & nearly all Catholic. The "Irish" who went to west of Scotland were from Ulster, and were 25 to 30% Ulster Prods! The Ulster conflict came with the immigrants to Glasgow (AKA "Belfast Lite"!).