Re: Part 1 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama

[RonaldBlair]

So why did BARRY FORGE his birth certificate if he didn't need to? The TOP FORENSIC DOCUMENT EXPERTS strongly assert FORGERY- Paul Irey says 6 different typewriters were used on the document- They ALL claim that it is a computer generated composite of multiple Hawaiian birth certificates- Not 99% chance of FRAUD but 100% FRAUD-

[TheGrindAxis]

Because he was born in North America, you silly. So it wasn't necessary.

Problem solved. :D

[michaelhtvr]

Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE, TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE USA, YOU MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN WITH THE FOLLOWING 2 CONDITIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA THAT MUST BE MET:

1) Obama must prove that he was born in the USA.

2) BOTH parents must be American Citizens.

Obama's father was never an American citizen!

Conclusion: SHOCKING SAD NEWS! OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

SPREAD THE SAD NEWS!

[mangaire1]

michaelhtvr:

are you stupid ?

everyone knew that Obama's father was Keynian, b4 the election

even Hillary knew that b4 he was selected

get over it, geezer

your President until 2012, at least, is Barrack Hussein Obama

[EricasPhotography]

EXACTLY .. WELL SAID! I SECOND THAT!!!

[VolunteerRifleman]

I want ALL muslim pieces of filth like the one in this video OUT of this country after the revolution.

[SusannaChelcias]

Thanks for researching that law. 1982? I don't know where Dr. Taitz is going with that. All I know is that no official has reported what is written in boxes 6a and 6c of his long form BC, which the state of Hawaii claims to possess. You're right about nobody being able to prove he's a fraud. However, the law book that Mr. Obama used for his oath proves that he's a fraud. If his collaborators were smart, they would've had him use a different book. There's a video on this (v=sz0IRYWdcRs).

[kiiifute1]

zendingo The person SERVING as OUR President if we so choose NEEDS to show all of his credentials to All of his bosses be they white or black again another lame attempt to inject race into this BO would be proud

[zendingo19]

but that's the whole issue, president obama has shown the required documentation, the birth cert. or colb posted on line is sufficent. the supreme court has said it's all that's required, and hawaii state has said it's valid and authentic.

where does it stop? basically you're saying all of congress, the state of hawaii and the supreme court are helping barack obama commit fraud on the american republic?

if released who would determine the validity of said long form birth certificate?

[fraudspotter]

KEEP IT SIMPLE ZENDINGO, MILLIONS WANT TO SEE HIS ELIGIBILITY CLEARED UP. FORGET THE FOG THE MEDIA IS USING TO HIDE THE ISSUE LIKE WHO HAS STANDING AND THE RIGHT TO ASK! Half the people want his proof cause they dont believe him. The other half want the first half to shutup and go away. Lets make this issue go away. Stop paying the lawyers tax payers money to keep his records secret. SHOW US, THATS ALL. Millions will stop asking and the law suits will stop. IN 10 MINUTES all this can go away.

[zendingo19]

does president obama need to show it to anyone who asks? or just the white people?

we live in america, and as i have pointed out; you don't get to accuse people of a crime (in this case fraud) and then demand they present proof of their innocence.

like i asked in the vid, if you don't accept the bc that has been verified as legit by the state of hawaii and the supreme court, why would you accept their word about the vault copy? couldn't that be forged as well?

[arianasaki]

fraudspotter:On Feb 24/09 I emailed the Vital Statistic of Recordds Office of Health Status Monitoring Hawaii; Dept. of Health

1250 Punchbowl St. Honolulu, HI 96813

I received a response yesterday! I asked them if a child born in another country can have a COLB and they told me" Such a certificate would have "Certificate of Foreign Birth on the top, not a COLB. They told me they were sorry for the delay in a response but they were having tons of emails since Obama was elected.

Cont.

[arianasaki]

Cont: fraud where is your evidence the the tax payers are paying to keep his records sealed? All bc are private, even mine. Usually these record are based on the submissions of birth certificates from hospitals. Birth records are filed with the local registrar in the country where the birth ocurred. A bc can be claimed ONLY byt the registrant, the parents, the child of the parent, legal guardian or representative. BC can be obtained by contacting the county in which the person was BORN.

Cont.

[arianasaki]

Cont. b. certificates are considered private. Also there are birth announcements on 2 Hawaian newspapers and in Hawaii this information comes directly from the hospital where the child is born not a paid announcement made by the family.

Educate your self before posting your ignorance, fraudspotter.

[arianasaki]

fraud and all the birthers: you can also email them like I did;

vr info @ doh . hawaii . gov .

[fraudspotter]

busymartian (below) is one of the many Hitler/Obama "Keep Everthing A Secret From The People" sheep. When you have nothing to say , attack the person saying it. You should heed the words of JFK. "FOR THIER TO BE TRUE FREEDOM there can be no secrets from the people, no lies, no hiding information and no person with any question regardlessof thier views can be ridiculed or silenced. GO BACK TO BED BUSYMARTIAN YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL, YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU!!!!!!!

[jedipauly]

The Hawaii statutes are irrelevant. It does not matter where Obama was born. His father was Kenyan and a British subject. That means Obama can not possibly be a natural born citizen of America, because natural born citizens do not have a choice to be either British or American when they turn 18. To be qualified to be president, you must be both born in the county, and BOTH parents must be U.S. citizens, so that you are not subject to the jurisdiction of another country. Open your mind to reason.

[tgear77]

jedi, you are wrong on this thread as you are wrong on all threads. It does not matter what nationality his father was, he is a natural US citizen by right of birthplace. Both parents do not have to be US citizens. Dual citizenship disappears after your 23rd birthday so by the time Obama was eligible to run (at 35) he did not have dual citizenship. Thank you for playing, we have some nice parting gifts for you.

[jedipauly]

No tgear you are the one that is wrong. NB Citizen does not mean a person born of the soil. That is only true if you live under a KING. In America a NB Citizen means a Citizen that is produced by the laws of NATURE not by government statutes. The Gov can not produce NB Citizens only your parents and nature can do that. Our Gov has no power to grant NB citizenship because only the Laws of Nature can grant it, GOV can only create statutory citizens you are loony. Reread the Dec of Independence.

[jedipauly]

I want to thank you and clarity023 for referring me to the web site that trys to debunk the "birthers". The case Lynch v Clark really shows me why you and clarity and others are wrong and do not get the obvious self evident truth of the definition and meaning of NB Citizen in the U.S. I have analyzed the errors and written a proof that settles this issue. It is almost done and I will post it to that site shortly. You will be finely proven wrong and then you will understand the correct def.

[jedipauly]

A King is an enabling authority for his subjects to Inherit their nat inalienable rights to a NB Citizen. That is why soil matters under Eng. com law. You can't Inherit your citizenship under a king without his permission. That is why soil only is important under a King for inheritance of a NB Citizen because that is how the King exercises his nat authority over you is by soil. The U.S. is not a king. It has no soil authority over inheritance of NB Citizen and can't grant them!

[tgear77]

Jedi, we have been having this argument for over a week now. Nature has nothing to do with how are laws are enforced or defined. The Government can damn well tell you who are citizens and who are not. Nature does not enter into the argument. Oh, and thanks for alerting me about that proof. I look forward to laughing my ass off.

[jedipauly]

If nature has nothing to do with it then why is it called NATURAL born Citizen? There are only TWO WAYS to get a Citizenship either by NATURAL INHERITANCE from your parents by the Laws of Nature as an INALIENABLE RIGHT or a Gov can define you to be a citizen by a statute as an artificial "PRIVILEGE" as apposed to a NATURAL RIGHT.The gov does not enforce laws they enforce STATUTES. Yes the gov can tell you who is a statutory citizen, but they do not create NB Citizens with a STATUTE.Nature does.

[tgear77]

Because that is how Emmerich de Vatel referred to it in his book. We have gone over this before, jedi. The Founders were not playing semantics here; They were referring to de Vatel's definition. But they did not include said definition in the Constitution. No one else has ever passed it into law. So it does not exist in US law. So, by your argument, Nature makes the law. So how does nature enforce it? Strike you with a lightning bolt if you break the law. What a moron you are.

[jedipauly]

"Nature has nothing to do with it" I am laughing my ass off already! HA! HA! You do not even know where Citizens come from! Both Nature and Gov produce them. The ones nature produces are called NB and those are the Citizenships that you Inherit from your natural human parents by the Laws of Nature (reread the Dec. of Independence!). Gov. creates all other Citizen as a privilege and they are not derived from nature but are derived from statutes. You do not even understand the basis of law!

[tgear77]

The Declaration has nothing to do with defining citizenship. That is why we have laws in place for that. The US law states that if you are born here, no matter what your parentage, you are a natural citizen. It does not define the term "Natural Born Citizen" one way or the other. So again, it does not matter who your parents are. So laugh some more, because Nature has nothing to do with whether you are eligible to be President. The law does.

[tgear77]

The US has no soil authority over inheritance??? Where did you get that one? No you want to blame Obama's getting into the White House on the fact that we have no King?

[qwertyman129]

Wong Kim Ark pretty much debunks everything you just said; it said for the purposes of citizenship that subject and citizen had the same meaning and that a person born of two foreigners would be a citizen at birth.

You may call that and Lynch v Clarke bad cases, but they're still valid caselaw and would be binding by stare decisis.

[jedipauly]

You people are idiots and morons. Case law NB citizen (with a small "c") is a class of citizenships granted to foreigners born on U.S. soil. That is not the same thing as NB Citizen in Article II. Citizen is a PROPER NOUN (capitalized) so NB is an adjective term describing AMERICAN citizens in Article II, and does not refer to a class of foreigners born on U.S. soil. You are a dumb shit and legal and historic ignoramus, the same as Wong Kim Fuck Ark, tgear77, hieian, and their moron lawyers.

[qwertyman129]

You can call me names all you want, but there is absolutely no basis in case law or statutes for your interpretation of what is a natural born citizen.

And if you're born on American soil, by definition you are not a foreigner, but an American citizen at birth.

There's really no need to get so angry about this. We can discuss this calmly and civilly, but there is simply no basis or any legal scholar today who believes that your interpretation of natural born citizen is accurate.

[jedipauly]

You are so stupid you can't even read English. You do not even understand English Grammar. How in the world can you know anything about history or law or whether or not there is any basis. You can't even read! You are no authority and your words are bullshit and worthless. You expect people to believe that the framers wrote into the constitution that any foreigner born on U.S. soil can qualify to be President. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! What an idiot and fool you are. Study history or get lost loser.

[qwertyman129]

Logical fallacies you have used in your posts:

Ad hominem attack

Naturalistic fallacy

Appeal to ridicule

Judgmental language

Strawman

I cited two cases in which the court has said that your interpretation of what makes a natural born citizen is incorrect. You respond by name calling, instead of any form of debate.

Study history, you say. Tell me a case or statute that has ever put the additional burden you claim exists for one to be a natural born citizen.

[jedipauly]

The Constitution trumps case law and moron judges opinions, you idiot. Learn English and history and read the Constitution. It is clear it means Am citizens and it does not permit British citizens or foreigners at birth, like Obama, to be Pres. Get a Clue idiot. Obama is a usurper and illegitimate. You are a communist telling lies and propaganda revisionist history. You are a criminal. You are exposed as a fraud and agent of evil. Get lost you piece of shit communist homo agent of hell.

[qwertyman129]

This is getting funny; with each response, you get a little more angry and a little more insane. Just let me know in advance if you plan on being the next right-winger to go kill liberals.

It's not "clear" at all. Natural born citizen is not defined within the Constitution. It's the role of the judiciary to interpret the Constitution. They have said in at least two cases, and the 14th Amendment backs them up, that anybody born in the US is a citizen at birth.

Do you have ANYTHING to refute it?

[jedipauly]

No one can refute anything you say since you are too stupid to understand English or law or history. You are too ignorant to understand anything. Your bullshit opinions and your communist liberal mind warp and revisionist history bent prevents you from knowing anything or learning. You think it is the job of the judiciary to "interpret" the constitution? WRONG! This proves your ignorance and explains your stupidity. It would not matter what I show you your brain could not accept it anyway.

[qwertyman129]

Calling an argument or the person putting forth the argument stupid, even if you do it several times, does not make the argument or the person stupid. You can say I'm an idiot all you want, but that does not make it the case.

If your view is so obvious, name me one current legal scholar who agrees with you.

And I'm not going to respond to your private messages since you're not saying anything new in them.

[jedipauly]

How about SC Justice Scalia? Is that scholarly enough for you? You will not believe any source I give you. It is sad that your brain can not understand what "NB" under the laws of nature means, or what the proper noun "Citizen" in Article II refers to, which is an American citizen. It is so sad that you have to have some figure of authority tell you what these simple and obvious definitions and meanings are. You become a gov slave & make yourself stupid because you do not use your brain.

[qwertyman129]

I do have respect for Scalia, when did he say that a natural born citizen was only a child born in America whose parents are both citizens?

I don't rely on legal scholars, although they are people who are professionals in understanding the Constitution, and I suspect that not a single one supports your interpretation. On the other hand, if you check out Jill Pryor's article on NBC, you'll see many backing my view.

And the word citizen is capitalized in the Constitution every time it appears.

[jedipauly]

You are so observant. You noticed that citizen is capitalized everywhere in the Constitution. Why is that do YOU think? Can you use your own brain and figure that one out or do you need a figure of authority to spell it out for you? Gee could it mean that it is a proper noun referring to American citizens every time it is used in the Constitution instead of German or British or French or Dutch or just any old citizen in general? Are you intelligent enough to understand this yourself?

[qwertyman129]

Hey, you're the one trying to make a distinction between native born citizens and natural born citizens, a position for which I've never seen any credible support.

You said Scalia once said that a NBC is the child of two citizens. When and where did he say that? A google search and a lexis search have turned up nothing.

I think a natural born citizen was defined by the 14th Amendment, which says that anybody born in the US is a citizen at birth, and thus a natural born citizen.

[jedipauly]

Why do you avoid answering my simple questions? Why do you continue to avoid using your own brain and forget about what figures of authority have said. If you will answer for yourself then you will learn and prove your intelligence and understand the true meaning. Answer the question. What does NB mean? Not NB citizen, just NB. What does NB mean? Now answer, what citizens does the PROPER NOUN "Citizen" in the Constitution refer to? Answer those two questions for yourself without looking it up!

[arianasaki]

jedi Obama was born in Hawaii from an American mother. He doesn't even need his mother to qualify.

Ask any Mexican sneaking thought the border. US laws grants citizenship to anybody born in the US you know it but you are just denying it.

Read Julia Lynch case and Perkins v Elg

( both parents from Sweden!)

Deal with it its time.

You are just a sore loser!

[jedipauly]

You are not even aware of the issue. Go back to sleep retard. The issue is who qualifies to be Pres not what foreigners are entitled to a citizenship. God you are dumb.

[qwertyman129]

Did you ever happen to find the time that Scalia said that a natural born citizen meant the child of two American citizens? You can't just make stuff up...

[qwertyman129]

Your "simple" question of what Citizen means? I think whatever it meant in 1789, it was defined by the 14th Amendment, which says anybody born in this country is a citizen from birth. I don't differentiate between a native born citizen and a natural born citizen.

The SC in Wong Kim Ark seems to agree with me; you seem to have found nothing that agrees with you.

"Answer without looking it up?" There's your flaw. The Constitution isn't easy. If it was, it wouldn't be an entire field of study.

[jedipauly]

Forget about what figures of authority say. Use your own brain and answer these simple questions & prove your intelligence. What do YOU think natural born means. Just natural born all by itself. Not NB citizen, just NB. What does NB mean? Then answer the simple question, what citizens does the proper capitalized noun "Citizen", in Article II, refer to? Is it English citizens or German or Dutch etc? Which citizens must be NB in Article II? See if you can answer those simple questions for yourself

[qwertyman129]

I think natural born is defined by the 14th amendment. If you're a citizen from your birth, which you are if you're born in the US, then you're a natural born citizen.

By the way, did you find the time when Scalia said that a NBC was the child of two American citizens?

[jedipauly]

NB is NOT defined in the 14th Amend. No where in the 14th does the words natural born appear. You are wrong. The 14th only defines what a citizen is, not what a natural born Citizen in Article II is. The 14th is not even about the qualifications for President. See how stupid you are? You try and use the 14th Amendment that has nothing at all to do with qualif for Pres and try and tell me it defines NB Citizen when it does not. How much more proof do I need to expose your lies & stupidity?

[qwertyman129]

Fine, so you think there's a distinction between a native born citizen and a natural born citizen. Does anybody agree with you? Does any judicial finding or statute support your position? Is there a scholar out there who endorses that distinction?

Did you find out when and where Scalia said that a natural born citizen was the child of two American citizens?

Yes, I'll keep asking until you either provide a link or say that you have no evidence Scalia ever said that.

[clarity023]

jedipauly

I want you to cite the law word from word.

Tell me which Amendment, Article etc states that NB is defined in the Constitution. I will be waiting for your response.

And why don't you write a letter to the Supreme Court telling that to them instead of hiding behind a fake name posting ignorant comments?

[qwertyman129]

Don't bother, he's just sent me a couple of long block messages (protip: a paragraph should RARELY be more than 500 words long) calling me an idiot and declaring Supreme Court precedent to be bad law because he believes it to be bad law.

[qwertyman129]

Don't bother,

He's just sent me a block of text (protip: paragraphs should not be 500 words!) calling me an idiot several times and that the cases I cited were bad law because they're not "common sense."

Oh, also, judges don't interpret laws or the Constitution. Yeah.

[jedipauly]

You are so stupid that you do not even know where NB Citizens come from. You think that governments create NB Citizens with statutes. Ha! Ha! Ha! Only your parents and nature can create NB Citizens as is defined in Article II. It means American citizens born under the laws of nature to their parents. It does not mean a foreigner born on U.S. soil who is entitled to a statutory privilege of a citizenship. You are a total dumb shit removed from natural law just like all OBAMANITES.

[busymartian]

Do you have a large intestine for a brain? Because everything you post is shit.

[jedipauly]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Your DELUDED WORLD VIEW OF LAW & REALITY & NATURE IS ABOUT TO COME CRASHING DOWN! Fed District Judge Carter (California) has just RULED 07/14/09 that Obama trial will go forward! OBAMA IS NOW OFFICIALLY ON TRIAL! THE REIGN OF THE KING IS ENDING! I Wonder how U R going to explain away the JEDI's "theories" now or justify your deluded & wrong view of reality? Ha! Ha! Ha! what a RIOT! Check out the report on World Net Daily!

[tgear77]

You are the one who is deluded. The Judge only ordered that Taitz would get to present her motions to show that she has a case. He did not order a trail and based on the outcome of all previous suits filed by Taitz and others, there is very little chance that he will. The only thing Taitz did accomplish this week is that she got her client, Maj. Stefan Cook, fired from his real job as a Defense Contractor working at the Pentagon. Way to go, Orly.

[jedipauly]

There r 2 ways 2 get NBC. By SOIL(Title 8) & by PARENTS(ARTICLE II). The NBC by SOIL does not address LOYALTY bcs any foreign king,corp,bank can have kid on soil & take over Pres. Only NBC (BY PARENTS) insures LOYALTY bcs u look at DAD & if Am then u will b loyal 2 DADS people & not foreign entity, if u become Pres. Its just like an American Indian Tribe. To qualif 4 Pres u must INHERIT ur citizenship from ur Am DAD 2 insure LOYALTY 2 ur DADS people(Americans). Soil & mom r irrelevant

[tgear77]

Been over this before: Natural citizenship granted by right of birthplace. Natural Born Citizenship...no legal definition. All of this "Loyalty to my father" doesn't enter into the equation. By the way, when did you turn into Prince? U R 2 Stupid.

[jedipauly]

That is the LAW tgear, whether u like it or not. U can spin ur version of reality until the cows come home 2 roost (I like mixing metaphor HA !HA!), but it wont change the reality that O's DAD is BRIT & KENYAN & so the LOYALTY TEST of ARTICLE II, which is NBC(PARENTS) & not NBC(SOIL), bcs u are not loyal to SOIL, will fail. The test is will u b LOYAL 2 your DADS PEOPLE, just like in an Am Indian tribe, u must b born 2 a DAD of the tribe so u will look out for dads peoples interests.

[tgear77]

Your stupidity is so rampant that you keep using American Indian Tribes as an example when the Founding Fathers went to great lengths to deny those tribes citizenship in the United States. Rant all you want, Jedi, but there is no argument here as to his parentage. If there were, he never would have been able to be sworn in. He would never have been able to campaign without this issue being settled. He would not be President. But yet he was elected and sworn in. End of story.

[jedipauly]

The lead plaintiff in the Cook case wasnt even Cook but a MAJOR GENERAL. They asked Orly 2 take the case dumb shit! Its hardly her fault that there is retaliation against brave solders armed with the truth. U do not seem 2 get it. Cook had no choice. He would have no protection from war crimes prosecution bcs his military commander(Obama) is not lawful so the military code requires Cook 2 sue gov 4 issuing illegal orders that subject military person 2 no lawful protection 4 their actions!

[jedipauly]

What is he supposed 2 do? Just deploy & hope no 1 ever finds out that O is usurper & he has no lawful protection 4 his actions in the military? U would b a FOOL not 2 sue. & y did a MAJOR GENERAL sign on as a plaintiff? Is he some NOBODY trying 2 make a name 4 himself? Y would a MAJOR GENERAL put his career & retirement pay on the line if he did not believe he was doing the right thing? U need 2 gather more evidence & engage ur critical thinking skills more & apply 2 O instead of me etc.!

[tgear77]

No, he could have followed the rules and asked out of his deployment. He VOLUNTEERED to be sent to Afghanistan. He was not being sent there against his will. All he had to do was opt out and he would have had his Duty Orders rescinded (which is what happened anyway). But by filing suit against the President, he can no longer receive the security clearance necessary to work his real job. So all his suit has achieved for him is the loss of his job. If he was truly worried about....

[tgear77]

(cont) war crimes, all he had to do was opt out of going to Afghanistan. He was in such a position that he could do so. But no, he was either played by Taitz into entering this nuisance suit (which I doubt since she isn't that bright) or he is just another bitter Birther thinking he could prove a point. Can't wait to see what happens when he tries to find another job. Who will hire him knowing that he can't get clearance? Jedi, try getting your facts straight before posting next time.

[busymartian]

There's also a Hawaiian state law prohibiting Russian-born dentists from wasting everyone's fucking time.

[jedipauly]

There is also a federal statute protecting patriotic Americans from communist assholes who support treason against the American People, like you! Article II means Am citizens born to their parents. You can not even understand plain English as it is written in the Const. You are so ignorant & removed from natural law that you think Gov and statutes produce NB American citizens instead of nature and your parents and natural circumstances. I do not know if I should laugh at you or cry for you.

[busymartian]

What in God's name are you blathering about?!

[NoAbomination]

John Bingham, author of the 14th ammendment defined a natural born citizen as , "Any human born to parents who are US citizens and are under no other jurisdiction or authority" Naturalization Act of 1790, also passed by this congress, declared "And the children of citizens of the US shall be considered as natural born, provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident of the US." Obama Sr. was born in Kenya. As such he is ineligible.

[brygenon]

Bingham did not write the citizenship clause of the 14'th Amendment, and not being under other jurisdiction or authority excludes diplomats and invading armies, but not ordinary foreign visitors.

President Obama was sworn into office (twice!) by John G. Roberts. Do you think the Chief Justice of the United States needs your instruction on how to interpret the Constitution?

[jedipauly]

In a word YES. Roberts is a political hack and traitor. You are a fucking idiot and moron. You can not even read English or understand English grammar. In Article II, citizen is capitalized. That means it is a PROPER NOUN fool. Gee what citizens are they referring to? AMERICAN CITIZENS you dumb shit communist asshole. Right, the founders intended NB Citizen in Article II to mean that any foreigner born on U.S. soil could be President. You are as stupid as Justice Roberts!

[arianasaki]

NoAb wrong, The Constitution does not define NBC , Obama was born in Hawaii his British citizenship expired when he was 18 or 21 he keeps his American citizenship. What about Chester Arthur? his father was Irish.

Obama is NBC jus soli , born in Hawaii and jus sanguini , his mom was American. All the lawsuits have been dumped, look up Case Closed.

[jedipauly]

MY FAVORITE OBAMANITE LIE "The Constitution does not define NBC". NB means born under the laws of nature by your parents. Citizen is a proper noun & means American citizen. Therefore, NBC means an American citizen born under the laws of nature, to ones parents. Seems well defined to me! What is not defined about NB? What is not defined about Citizen? The meaning and definition is self evident and obvious to anyone who understands English and the laws of natural Inheritance. U R an IDIOT

[tgear77]

Jedi, every time I see you make one of your idiotic arguments on YT, I have to laugh. You being totally wrong is one of the grand constants in life.

[NoAbomination]

Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution states, "No person except a NATURAL BORN citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible who shall not attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

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[NoAbomination]

Thank you for this thoughtful commentary/question. I appreciate your fair consideration of the POTUS eligibility issue.

My understanding is that the statute that you are questioning went into effect in 1959, not 1982, but I am still researching the matter as it is (as you know) tedious work deciphering the jargon that sometimes serves to nulify existing mandates.

That said, people are really focusing on the wrong issue. Even if Obama shows a vault birth certificate, he is not eligible

[brygenon]

President Obama's Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth states where he was born: Honolulu, on the island of Oahu. That's in Hawaii, not Kenya.

What issue should birthers be focusing on? I'd suggest how to rejoin reality.