Xp don't have have a match for leopard!!! Leopard is the best hardweare in the world!! i was full life Pc user but when i tried a imac or a macbook a totaly changed my mind!! y love mac's and apple!!!
Some people do believe Mac is better than PC that is not true since today apple rides at intel base processors so the two computers are now at the same level of performance nothing to be compares I have both of that G4 powerbook and sony vaio computers and now my new PC Core 2 Duo specs does not matter for me these are only a tools. :)
I have a 500Mhz iBook G3 and its EIGHT YEARS old and runs just fine! Sure, it can't game, or play HD video, or anything extreme like that, but it works just fine for browsing websites, typing a letter, etc. I also use it at partys as a juke box with all my music in iTunes. I can then wireless control it with my iPod touch. For an eight (almost nine ) year old machine, it still runs well.
I have a roughbook 30 laptop i paid 5,995.00 for that It have build in handle ,touchsceen 2 mobile video camreas and water proof keyboard .... It like police used roughbook30 in cars I have laptop holder with power in my truck for my job driving ..... If I drop that at 4 ft it will not break
NO, they have been updated. They look the same, but are slighty thinner, offer faster processor speeds, faster and more capacity ram, and also have one extra USB port.
I want one so frickin badly. (was quietly whining for 20 seconds during the turning on bit. A bit sad, I know...) but they are so expensive. Great video, just what I wanted to see, the whole unboxing and first turn on thing. The song was shit though.
Great! Glad you enjoyed it. (as I stated before, sorry about the music. I would change it, but then I'd have to re-do the whole video and would loose all the comments and views so I guess it has to stay. oh well.)
And yes they are more expensive then comparable PC's but they are well worth it for the design and simplify.
Also, you may want to hold off as there is a rumor that new ones are coming out at the end of the month! It could also be the time where they sell off the old ones cheap!
Really, the new ones coming out thing? Coz I was going to try and find out, I don't want to by one and then have a new one come out a week later or something, I'd rather wait and get they new one than get an old one cheap. I am insisting I get the highest spec one possible, which is a bit silly, as it is just going to be ridiculously expensive, but, ah well.
Yes they are rumoring new iMac's, Mac Mini's and Mac Pros. They say Apple may have a keynote March 26th - and that is when they will come out. I would wait until atleast then. Just search google for more info - i'd post a link, but I can't do that in this comment for some reason.
I can't wait till I even have enough money to buy a mac. But this is just the kind of video I want to see, unboxing it, starting it up, whizzing around. Not actually watched it yet, but it's sounds right.
really? usually they send out an in home tech to do that (at no charge) but I'm guessing you didn't buy apple care - because if that is the case then yes, they prababbly would want you to send it in
I love it I just got mine and I stopped home for lunch real quick and got the Fed Ex guy just in time. I had the hole thing out if the box and connected to the wireless modem in about 15 min. amazing
dude i want one so bad but its fuckin 1200 bucks...i seriously had a dream last night that i got one and when i woke up i seriously cried because it wasn't real
I think it is a 256. Now they come with 512. Regardless, it is PLENTY (until a few years from now, and then it will look pathetic compared to new cards with like 2GB of V-RAM!)
The pics in the beginning weren't mine. The brown box is because it is a referb and only the new ones get a colored box like the pic in the beginning.
good question. - its because I got the "refurbished" model, and they come in plain boxes to save money. but as I stated before, there is no way you that you could tell that it is refurbished - its looks brand new! So basically, I saved $350 by choosing a brown box vs a fancy one thats colored.
Correct! If you saw my unit in person and I didn't tell you it was a referb - you would have swore it was brand new. There was absloutly NO scratches, dents, etc. Also the keyboard, mouse, etc was all brand new! I was really impressed! The only difference is the box. I can't garentee yours will be the same, but from what I heard from others, all the units go though Apples strict testing, etc so you shouldn't be worried. If you get it, reply back and let us all know how you did!
Absolutely! I definitely will! I'm curious...is there any way to find out the condition of the refurb before we buy it or finding out what was wrong with it? Any contact numbers for apple?? If there are no scratches at all...man I am so ordering it but i gotta wait two weeks...is that a risk? Cuz they might run out? AAAAAAAAAA :-D
No, they don't tell you what is wrong with them, as they fix them up anyways so they are brand new again. For example, say someone returned it because the screen was bad or was scratched. Apple will then just replace the whole screen with a brand new one! Trust me, you will get a good one, and if it isn't to your liking, they can send you another one. and yes, sometimes the stock changes. They never "run out" they just update them. For example mine is a 2.4GHz, now the same model is a 2.8Ghz.
im getting this august 1st! i cant wait!!!! im getting crazed!!! PROOF~~~I go on the computer until about 11 each morning, and i cant stop making myself pasta!!! lol
I have seen many unboxing videos of this type of mac and in every one of them the person always has a very difficult time trying to take out the apple remote. I just thought it was funny that this guy took it out with no problems. Good Job!
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"...and this is a Mac": with the money you spent to buy Mac you could have assembled a superfast and complete PC, which that Mac can't even get close to...
True - hardware wise you could build a PC with the same specs cheaper. BUT, will that PC come with a stable OS or would you have to put up with XP or Vista? Does it run iMoive, iDVD, iPhoto and Garageband- No, you would have to go out and BUY software that would do similar tasks that still woun't be as good as if you just bought a Mac with the software already included, preloaded and built in ONE unit. In a way, your right, but when you think about it - it all ends up about the same.
...and run it on a PC? - yeah I hard its possible but for the time it would take to get it working and the risk of getting busted for doing it illegally - I would rather pay the few bucks extra to save the time and worrying.
You could have Ubuntu Linux and have the same stuff (and better) for FREE. Its all about taste (how you want to use a system). All platforms are good depending on one's needs. Btw I own the new 24" iMAC and it runs all 3 operating systems for doing different stuff :)
My only complaint is it has ATi instead of nVidia and no multicard reader. A great machine overall for those who want to replace bulky, noisy and dusty tower cases with a sleek looking machine.
lol, it IS big compared to my old 17" CRT - but you get used to it. lol. I definitely like the 1920x1200 resolution - you can get more done with more room for things on the screen. Now I freak out when anyone uses 1024x768.
That will be $2749 Cnd plus Tx. Add $80 for iWorks. Nasty choice. Order yours today unless you already did. About $100 cheaper in the US, should be equal.
huh? I don't know what that is. The link to music I was playing is in the video description section if your interested. I don't know what your talking about.
I hope I can get a iMac like yours! I might get it next year! But waiting for a iPhone first! Apple ROOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!
I think what Milano means, is that with additional popularity hackers are going to start trying harder and harder to break the Mac. I think it will happen in time. All OS's are flawed.
...Same thing....i know how beautiful macs are since 87... but we wanna know how this works...speed n so...thanks! (good video neway...today i got mine!)
iMac 24"
Intel Core2Duo 2.8GHz
2GB RAM
500GB HDD
Lion
says it has some stains on screen (?!) like other iMacs (?! what the hell?)
should I buy it for 620 euros ?? please , advice.
babaroga73 2 months ago
is there a camera built in to it ?
loveroll1234 1 year ago
@loveroll1234 yes
sdschramm 1 year ago
no processor?
mista0nobody 1 year ago
@mista0nobody What do you mean no processor? Its has an Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.4 GHz
sdschramm 1 year ago 2
Almost every imac unboxing video they always vid tape the Fed Ex truck shipping this.
jorganbonstrangler 2 years ago
this dude thinks we stupid "its saying welcome in differnet languages" realy nooo duhhhhh but gud video tho
phoneveiwer 2 years ago
Well done, dankeschön!
Morphz94 2 years ago
ohhh ich will auch einen....
i want one too
tolleputz 2 years ago
wow nice computer, you intall windows vista in the imac XD gigant screen woooooooooow nice quality of intro video great!!!
silveratto 2 years ago
Xp don't have have a match for leopard!!! Leopard is the best hardweare in the world!! i was full life Pc user but when i tried a imac or a macbook a totaly changed my mind!! y love mac's and apple!!!
kokaPRinter 2 years ago
Mac OS X Leopard is the operating system, which is software, not hardware.
sdschramm 2 years ago
Some people do believe Mac is better than PC that is not true since today apple rides at intel base processors so the two computers are now at the same level of performance nothing to be compares I have both of that G4 powerbook and sony vaio computers and now my new PC Core 2 Duo specs does not matter for me these are only a tools. :)
romiworks 2 years ago
You need to rethink the thought. Stop thinking hardware and start thinking software.
Anavengertg 2 years ago
nah macs and macbooks are better.
edg5620 2 years ago
I really did enjoy this.
You did a good job!
renaud4pm 2 years ago
cool mac
talkapple2 2 years ago 2
It has 640MB of RAM thank you very much (128 built in, plus 512MB under the keyboard)
And also, an eight year old XP machine would be pretty junked up by then and wouldn't run decent unless it was restored/reinstalled.
sdschramm 2 years ago
How am I backing you up? I don't know about your powerbook, but my 8 year old iBook runs better then any 8 year old PC i've seen.
sdschramm 2 years ago
I have a 500Mhz iBook G3 and its EIGHT YEARS old and runs just fine! Sure, it can't game, or play HD video, or anything extreme like that, but it works just fine for browsing websites, typing a letter, etc. I also use it at partys as a juke box with all my music in iTunes. I can then wireless control it with my iPod touch. For an eight (almost nine ) year old machine, it still runs well.
sdschramm 2 years ago
I meant the fact that I have to wait is such a cock. Not "YOU are a cock", of course.
bocherrini 2 years ago
I'm back, and watching it again. Gonna have to wait at least another whole tossing year before I get mine. Such a cock.
bocherrini 2 years ago
I have a roughbook 30 laptop i paid 5,995.00 for that It have build in handle ,touchsceen 2 mobile video camreas and water proof keyboard .... It like police used roughbook30 in cars I have laptop holder with power in my truck for my job driving ..... If I drop that at 4 ft it will not break
YOUGETVIOLENCE 2 years ago
haha around 2:30 it would have been funny if it would have fallen off the table,(for us anyway)
phantomkill119 2 years ago
is this the same 1 that is still out right now????
like on the apple store?
it hasnt changed in more than a year????????
aveman95 2 years ago
NO, they have been updated. They look the same, but are slighty thinner, offer faster processor speeds, faster and more capacity ram, and also have one extra USB port.
sdschramm 2 years ago
I got one to about a month ago
fatwalrus1213 2 years ago 2
i love apple and their products but I have only a iPod. I haven't much money to buy a iMac.
EggWS94 2 years ago 2
is this a refurb mac ?
dbrraa3393 2 years ago
Read the comments and description!
sdschramm 2 years ago
lol oh sorry i didnt see at first ty
dbrraa3393 2 years ago
cute kitty
HimmerRUSSIAN 2 years ago
Love that welcome video!
bocherrini 3 years ago 2
Those speakers sound damned good for built in ones! How do they cram all that brilliantness into such a small space?
bocherrini 3 years ago 2
LOL. when i unboxed mine i thought there was an iPod. XD. good thing i didnt miss the 'welcome' on mine. it was cool <3
vietblossom2o9 3 years ago 2
ive had this computer nearly a year and I never get to use it!! i'm gonna install WOW on it tonight
TSXboy26 3 years ago 2
A MAC! It just works lol. Love that phrase.
Yousaf4Lyfe 3 years ago
I want one so frickin badly. (was quietly whining for 20 seconds during the turning on bit. A bit sad, I know...) but they are so expensive. Great video, just what I wanted to see, the whole unboxing and first turn on thing. The song was shit though.
bocherrini 3 years ago 2
Great! Glad you enjoyed it. (as I stated before, sorry about the music. I would change it, but then I'd have to re-do the whole video and would loose all the comments and views so I guess it has to stay. oh well.)
And yes they are more expensive then comparable PC's but they are well worth it for the design and simplify.
Also, you may want to hold off as there is a rumor that new ones are coming out at the end of the month! It could also be the time where they sell off the old ones cheap!
sdschramm 3 years ago
Really, the new ones coming out thing? Coz I was going to try and find out, I don't want to by one and then have a new one come out a week later or something, I'd rather wait and get they new one than get an old one cheap. I am insisting I get the highest spec one possible, which is a bit silly, as it is just going to be ridiculously expensive, but, ah well.
bocherrini 3 years ago
Yes they are rumoring new iMac's, Mac Mini's and Mac Pros. They say Apple may have a keynote March 26th - and that is when they will come out. I would wait until atleast then. Just search google for more info - i'd post a link, but I can't do that in this comment for some reason.
sdschramm 3 years ago
Never mind, Check it out! They updated them TODAY!!!! The 24" iMac came down in price, and has more features!
sdschramm 3 years ago
Fantastic! These updates kick ass! 4gb RAM standard now, and a 1tb hard drive standard, and no higher price! This is a brilliant thing!
bocherrini 3 years ago
I can't wait till I even have enough money to buy a mac. But this is just the kind of video I want to see, unboxing it, starting it up, whizzing around. Not actually watched it yet, but it's sounds right.
bocherrini 3 years ago 2
u reboxed in a different box then unboxed it. Im not stupid
bwillwall 3 years ago
Ugh, how many times do I need to say this - the pictures in the beginning are NOT mine. They are of someone elses. Only the one in the video is mine.
sdschramm 3 years ago
for this money you can get a core i7 and a gtx280 haha :D
kuracOne 3 years ago
And neither of those were available over a year ago when we got this iMac. So no.
sdschramm 3 years ago
3rd lang was dutch , YEARRH
nok0nok 3 years ago
I just ordered mine yesterday! I can't wait.
I paid a little more for the 24inch 4 gig RAM and 3.06 ghz. Also opted for the applecare and Jam Pack remix tools! Woooohoo!
Robloaf 3 years ago
I can tell you used imove to edit this vid!
BatDude27 3 years ago
I had one of these, you have to send the whole shit just fo fix the fuckin webcam
3718David3718 3 years ago
really? usually they send out an in home tech to do that (at no charge) but I'm guessing you didn't buy apple care - because if that is the case then yes, they prababbly would want you to send it in
sdschramm 3 years ago
I love it I just got mine and I stopped home for lunch real quick and got the Fed Ex guy just in time. I had the hole thing out if the box and connected to the wireless modem in about 15 min. amazing
bustaking800 3 years ago
dude i want one so bad but its fuckin 1200 bucks...i seriously had a dream last night that i got one and when i woke up i seriously cried because it wasn't real
JustinProductions767 3 years ago 5
cute cat. I love cats
DiggerOwl 3 years ago
wonderful...greetings from spain.
monica2505 3 years ago
what video card does it have?? 256 mb or 512?
flashfith 3 years ago
I think it is a 256. Now they come with 512. Regardless, it is PLENTY (until a few years from now, and then it will look pathetic compared to new cards with like 2GB of V-RAM!)
sdschramm 3 years ago
i got mine for xmas and i love it! it replaced my old Dell PC
BoricuaMan626 3 years ago
Im getting one tomorrow <3 :D
Rambut4n 3 years ago 3
I'm getting one for Christmas!! YAYY<3 Well in January I'm getting it. :)
MoriahWhittaker 3 years ago 2
The Intro video on the imac was awsome
miamiheatnba1 3 years ago 3
nice..........
Crazy84Productions 3 years ago 3
So Sweet!!!!!!!
1BiGdAvE63 3 years ago 3
thats my dream computer that i cant afford so right now im stuck with my old pc
familyguy9877 3 years ago 9
@familyguy9877 this is very cheap now, only around 900 on ebay for very good quality.
ny1fanta 1 year ago
@familyguy9877 i just bought a macbook air yesterday 0_0
boyuchuadaniel 9 months ago
@familyguy9877 I have now had that computer and a MacBook Pro for about a year.
familyguy9877 9 months ago
The pics in the beginning weren't mine. The brown box is because it is a referb and only the new ones get a colored box like the pic in the beginning.
sdschramm 3 years ago
read all the comments! We've talked about that like 1000 times!
sdschramm 3 years ago
thx alot you realy inspired me to buy 1 and its is so easy to use and mutch better than vista thx again !!!!!
abaltowi 3 years ago 7
great movie well done,,, a awesome machine,, i love mine as well
itsonlyjan 3 years ago 4
Doesn the mac cost like thousand dollars??/
luigeluis93 3 years ago
no, check the apple store and you'll see they have ones for less. Also get a referb if you want to save some more cash!
sdschramm 3 years ago
24 INCH!!
whoaGirl12 3 years ago
Well i have a mac to but my mac it'sof 27 inch and the box not so ugly
dajoker7726 3 years ago
is thes imac box or not
emado90 3 years ago
Huh? English?
sdschramm 3 years ago
haha the cat huh wtf is this
zeropointfield1 3 years ago
I want that computer. I'll PM you so you can just send it to my address.
...No seriously I own a Macbook Pro so I'm good. xD
bjasom1 3 years ago
is it a refurbished imac? because it's not the white box
cavaleos 3 years ago
DUH! - we just got done talking about that a few comments/days ago!
sdschramm 3 years ago
very nice i so want an imac, i think the next generation imac might be touchscreen like the hp touchsmart
lovelydiva06 3 years ago
24"!!! Nice!
Exceltia 3 years ago 2
Hey I dont get it...WHy did it come in a brown box??? Rather than the traditional white box with the imac picture on it???
lpsaad 3 years ago
good question. - its because I got the "refurbished" model, and they come in plain boxes to save money. but as I stated before, there is no way you that you could tell that it is refurbished - its looks brand new! So basically, I saved $350 by choosing a brown box vs a fancy one thats colored.
sdschramm 3 years ago
Yeah im really considering getting that exact one...so there were no scratches or dents or ANYTHING at all??? no sign of previous use whatsoever???
lpsaad 3 years ago
Correct! If you saw my unit in person and I didn't tell you it was a referb - you would have swore it was brand new. There was absloutly NO scratches, dents, etc. Also the keyboard, mouse, etc was all brand new! I was really impressed! The only difference is the box. I can't garentee yours will be the same, but from what I heard from others, all the units go though Apples strict testing, etc so you shouldn't be worried. If you get it, reply back and let us all know how you did!
sdschramm 3 years ago
Absolutely! I definitely will! I'm curious...is there any way to find out the condition of the refurb before we buy it or finding out what was wrong with it? Any contact numbers for apple?? If there are no scratches at all...man I am so ordering it but i gotta wait two weeks...is that a risk? Cuz they might run out? AAAAAAAAAA :-D
lpsaad 3 years ago
No, they don't tell you what is wrong with them, as they fix them up anyways so they are brand new again. For example, say someone returned it because the screen was bad or was scratched. Apple will then just replace the whole screen with a brand new one! Trust me, you will get a good one, and if it isn't to your liking, they can send you another one. and yes, sometimes the stock changes. They never "run out" they just update them. For example mine is a 2.4GHz, now the same model is a 2.8Ghz.
sdschramm 3 years ago
I think if you buy a mac for the first time go for the mac mini and see if you like it and if you do move on to the mac in this video! :)
Thecomputergamer2008 3 years ago
When I booted my iMac for the first time, it came on loads fast than that... But It is a 3.06GHz lol.
joby866 3 years ago
im getting one to :) in about a year
xWakeTheDeadxx 3 years ago 4
im getting this august 1st! i cant wait!!!! im getting crazed!!! PROOF~~~I go on the computer until about 11 each morning, and i cant stop making myself pasta!!! lol
Dozydaizy 3 years ago
THATS MY BIRTHDAY! i hope i get one :D
boyboy53 3 years ago
Good video but the most annoying song in the world.
RiuvGuitar 3 years ago
sorry, I just wanted something "themed" I guess.
sdschramm 3 years ago
It's cool. I'm getting an iMac soon so this video was a good insight.
RiuvGuitar 3 years ago 5
bro you are lucky
1990zozo 3 years ago 5
I have seen many unboxing videos of this type of mac and in every one of them the person always has a very difficult time trying to take out the apple remote. I just thought it was funny that this guy took it out with no problems. Good Job!
Axledog56 3 years ago 4
it does look like he had easy time getting it out but it is edited. you can see the cut right b4 he gets the remote out
bigpappa2525 3 years ago
I'll continue to use Mac in my life!!
My life is Mac.
I love
ferrarimatter 3 years ago 6
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"...and this is a Mac": with the money you spent to buy Mac you could have assembled a superfast and complete PC, which that Mac can't even get close to...
dmarinon 3 years ago
True - hardware wise you could build a PC with the same specs cheaper. BUT, will that PC come with a stable OS or would you have to put up with XP or Vista? Does it run iMoive, iDVD, iPhoto and Garageband- No, you would have to go out and BUY software that would do similar tasks that still woun't be as good as if you just bought a Mac with the software already included, preloaded and built in ONE unit. In a way, your right, but when you think about it - it all ends up about the same.
sdschramm 3 years ago
u can just buy os x
DJIIILBS 3 years ago
...and run it on a PC? - yeah I hard its possible but for the time it would take to get it working and the risk of getting busted for doing it illegally - I would rather pay the few bucks extra to save the time and worrying.
sdschramm 3 years ago
You could have Ubuntu Linux and have the same stuff (and better) for FREE. Its all about taste (how you want to use a system). All platforms are good depending on one's needs. Btw I own the new 24" iMAC and it runs all 3 operating systems for doing different stuff :)
My only complaint is it has ATi instead of nVidia and no multicard reader. A great machine overall for those who want to replace bulky, noisy and dusty tower cases with a sleek looking machine.
crazywaters 3 years ago
That screen is huge. My 15" looks puny now T_T
renegader 3 years ago 4
lol, it IS big compared to my old 17" CRT - but you get used to it. lol. I definitely like the 1920x1200 resolution - you can get more done with more room for things on the screen. Now I freak out when anyone uses 1024x768.
sdschramm 3 years ago
Cool. I'm purchasing one on mondays yoo :-DD
dbertovi 3 years ago 4
do you have to buy lepoard seperately or is it preinstalled?
stupidbrain1 3 years ago 3
It came pre-installed, along with the disk.
sdschramm 3 years ago
Nice video and even nicer computer. I love the picture "Dell vs. iMac" because it tells at least one fact what Macs are about. iMacs rock!
Nesveri 3 years ago 2
i'm like dream haha.. i have the iPhone 8gb but i want iMac.. 24" 4 gb RAM, 1TB Hard Disc, =P
wozzie0000 3 years ago
That will be $2749 Cnd plus Tx. Add $80 for iWorks. Nasty choice. Order yours today unless you already did. About $100 cheaper in the US, should be equal.
Jim4575 3 years ago
Inyuasha music?
warhawk4ever 3 years ago
huh? I don't know what that is. The link to music I was playing is in the video description section if your interested. I don't know what your talking about.
sdschramm 3 years ago
It's the music to a Japanese cartoon. Since you don't have a clue to what I'm talking about never mind.
warhawk4ever 3 years ago
I want it!!!!!
CroElite1911 3 years ago 4
is there any way that you can watch the intro vid again??
yoshionthego 3 years ago 3
Yes there is. I don't know which version of Mac OSX you have, but on 10.5, you do this:
1. Finder-->Click on "Go"
2. Paste this:" /System/Library/CoreServices/Setup Assistant.app/Contents/Resources/TransitionSection.bundle/Contents/Resources/ " and Enter.
3. Play both the "Intro-Sound" and the "Intro Mov" and start them both full screen.
4. Enjoy
(also to note, this is kind of a hack because you getting into the system files, so be carful, and this info didn't come from me!lol, hehe!)
sdschramm 3 years ago
YAY!! thanks! tis super cool! thanks again!! :)
yoshionthego 3 years ago 2
I hope I can get a iMac like yours! I might get it next year! But waiting for a iPhone first! Apple ROOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!
TerryCPiano 4 years ago 3
I have a macbook, and I'm planning on getting a iMac next year!
TerryCPiano 4 years ago 2
Are you?
dxalfredo 4 years ago
Yup, how did you find all my comment? Cool lol!
TerryCPiano 4 years ago
what antivirus do you use? i heard macs are getting more and more common, hence vulnerable.
milano193 4 years ago
it will be very hard for a virus to become as bad as a windows virus, simply because of the UNIX core.
20goblue20 4 years ago 4
I think what Milano means, is that with additional popularity hackers are going to start trying harder and harder to break the Mac. I think it will happen in time. All OS's are flawed.
DefconComputers 4 years ago
apple software always has the nice new fresh smell i just got my laptop.. and i had a couple of ipods and i phone lol
vernstarz 4 years ago 2
...Same thing....i know how beautiful macs are since 87... but we wanna know how this works...speed n so...thanks! (good video neway...today i got mine!)
mota77 4 years ago 2
nice. can't wait to get mine.
dxalfredo 4 years ago 4