SO How the fuck did he pick the right one at the end? Damn this Brit. If he was in US we'd force the secret out of him we would. A gun t the head or some water boarding, proven methods.
@TheFoadolfat Yep, proving yet again how idiotic Americans can be. I mean anyone can be stupid, however it takes a "real winner" to support torturing someone for monetary gain. Good job keeping the American stigma up and running, ruining it for the rest of us.
So. How did he predict the horse racing experts? in like 4/5 or 3/5 or something... Did he do it with thousands of other horse racing experts? o.o He also did this in episode where he played 9 chess grandmasters... He can't have done it thousands of times to predict the chess pieces left...
@TheGame999999999 i know how he won against the chess players... i don't know how he guessed the number of chess pieces left on the board at the end of the game though.
He always/almost always has some little "oops, it didn't work" near the end before revealing that it actually did work. I hope she won't continue gambling!
My god, what a total mind-fuck. I could see him putting a 4k bet on all five horses, guaranteeing a win. During the race, he must have held onto 4 of the tickets, while mangling them the same way she was, and then exchanging the winning ticket with her at the end, right before the reveal -- only way for this to be guaranteed to work. Lot of cash to spend on what was essentially a gag.
The stupid part is that she know still believes he must have some sort of system *sign*. He had probably just placed a bet on all of them with his own money and then switched tickets or something simalar^^ to bad it wasn't for me though:(
the thing is Derren could place a bet on ALL the horses and it'd hardly be any big deal to him. Its more important to have one winning ticket at the end. How do we know what he did when he went away?? Or even if someone else did it and then gave him the winning ticket. 4000 on however many horses is not that much money for Derren... Just saying...
why did he collect from the bookie when he put the bet on with the tab. Gullible peoples. have a look at the end of part 4 at where he goes to put the bet on and then have a look at end of part 5 where he collects it from.
Lol I like the way when she's freaking out about the bet she's just placed watching her horse in forth, how Derren Brown hardly looks interested in her plight all focused on the race pointing out, "Yea, it isn't looking good where your horse is at, is it?" loooooooooooool
Derren Brown has a lot of money to spend on this stuff. :P It's great though. It's great to show that there is no system or magic or lucky charms involved, even if you win 5 times in a row. Sometimes that just, well, happens.
Workers/interns or people that worked for him probably mass messaged thousands of the same e-mail, and then it narrowed down from there. What I don't get is the part where four participants chose a picture in the picture room. For that to be possible, did he talk to thousands of people?
I think the show did pay for those who have lost by the 4th bet. Or else, people would have complained about it. Or maybe Darren would be in trouble for tricking people in that sort of way.
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@remowilliams8 They reinbursed all the others lost bettings. The uploader cut the last seconds of the clip which said just that. Just watch the other part 6 from computersolutions164
@169405 Derren probably had bets on all the horses in the last round and replaced the one she had for the winning one. He almost said it himself ("Do you really think that I would just gamble..."). It cost him "only" 4000 * number of horses.
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That was an incredibly elegant lesson by example. I'm blown away by the clarity and emotional impact he achieved by simply showing a situation in which one person comes to believe a claim that, from their perspective, makes sense and feels to be true and then showing that same situation from the perspective of the person making the claim.
he used hypnosis suggestions to get the 4 ppl to get the pictures. he used the same initials knowing they would pick them. as 4 the 7000 ppl in the study, yes some 1 is bound to get a winning streak , thats just luk,
He placed a $4000 on EVERY horse and slipped her the correct ticket after it had won. Which is exactly the same method he used for everything else in this episode...nice touch. :D
i dun think there's another layer to this pyramid, i think she really was the last one, the only one to go face to face with darren, but how did darren guess it right? well, he didnt, his guess was wrong, but by simply saying that the bet was on no.2, she wouldnt look at the ticket, and she never did i'd assume. and there were 5 horses, £4000 x 5 is £20000, which isn't alot to be part of the budget of a tv show. he simply switched the ticket after he found out which one.
I'm also surprised that after explaining how he did all that, you think he ACTUALLY "knew" the winner in the end... there was another round of people beyond the original thousands, she was not the last one... she was still 1 of 6, they just chose to end it there, creating the illusion.
Brown spent the entire time with her. It seems more likely that he make a 4k bet on each horse, and swapped out her ticket after the race. This has the same effect, but requires 38880 fewer people.
I don't think so. He said the dame exact thing to the remaining 6 people, not just her. She just happened to "win" out of them thus that is the only one out of the other 5 hopefuls that they showed at the conclusion of this Darren Brown show.
Its genius and all, but i do not understand how he picked the last horse? was that just another random, computer programed decision, and he just thinks its going to be the winner because SHE herself is lucky?
He just placed a bet on all the horses. He's not looking to make money on the bet itself, but on the show he's producing; he gets paid by Channel 4. So he places a bet on each horse, knowing only one of the tickets will win, and the rest of the tickets won't. If her horse happens to win (as it was favored to), then Mr. Brown looks like a genius. If her horse loses, then he gives her the winning ticket after a moment of worry. And he looks like a genius and a clever showman to boot.
@fireking345 I am not sure what your comment is about, but in case you thought I was criticizing Mr. Brown, I was not. Someone had just asked how this trick had worked, and I explained it. I think the show was brilliantly done.
@hermanessences they didn't didn't lose any money .. they actually ended up having more than what they started with (20P) .. that's why derren only apoligized to the losers in the first race because they actually lost 20 pounds
Fortunately (or unfortunately), this video clips JUST before the end of the episode. At the real end it states that at every stage, every participant was offered a full refund.
I still do wonder how he knew to stick with her during the race to be filmed, but I think he placed the bet on all of the horses and swapped out the right one when her's lost. This is merely speculation, though
@Muffinzeshlongun how do you know the video clips. i dont see any change in the time counter. i am just curious and if you dont mind telling me. thanks. i know this is a comment from a year ago, but i do hope you will tell me.
If I remember correctly, I watched this episode on a different video and it went a bit farther than this one did. Again, I really can't remember that far back
As others said, they almost certainly bet £4k on all the horses and then swapped her ticket for the ticket of the winning horse. Though I do wonder whether they compensated all the 7000+ people that they had bet on horses from the start onwards!
Everyone was compensated, but they didn't need to compensate 7000 people because in the first round, they were told NOT to bet, but just keep an eye on the result to gain there trust,so thats over 5500 people eliminated without spending a penny. In the 2nd round they were told tojust bet a small amount that they could afford to lose, about 10 or 20. Small change for a TV company.
This left just 216 people, and the bets were still relativly small, about 20-50 each.
If that were the case, they were lucky with a stranger's acting skills. :) I think Derren just swapped it while she was staring numbly or something, he's really good at pickpocketing anyways.
I don't like this - I thought to myself that this was the only way I could comprehend a working system but when he revealed how it was done I could have hit him lol
He said there were only 7,776 contestants at the start but I think this must be a further trick on the audience; he must have used 46,656 to make this work and not told us about the others who actually lost the bet on the final race - at least they were refunded =)
It probably makes more sense to simply pocket the cash when he's out of sight and use an actor as the bookie when the payout is made rather than lay out 20 grand. He may have switched the tickets but it's more likely he just used the, "this is the winning ticket" trick.
It's very unlikely he used that. Way to much money and not the appropriate conditions. He could pay for 1000s of video cameras, he can afford to bet 6 times.
Perhaps, but that wouldn't make sense because he was standing with her the whole time. The only way it could have worked is to have the final race different for each person, but even then if that were the case the odds aren't narrowed in the final race, it still remains 6:1
Erm... you seem to have missed a few minutes out between part 4 and 5. You probably already know this, it's just slightly annoying. Oh and in response to the comment below this: it's not rubbish and Derren DOESN'T USE STOOGES. he never does. he simply doesn't need to dumbass
okay listen to my system, when u went from part 4 to part 5 did u bother the to check whether they are from the same person, i mean the person who posted..the answer is no..u didn't thats why u lost those annyoing minutes..lol
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Biggest load of rubbish ever. He should be ashamed of himself for maybe getting some poor stupid soul watching to gamble as well. Obviously the woman was only acting and the fact that he placed the bet at the totepool and got payed out by a bookie is proof he didnt pick the horse. Woman was obviously only acting.
. . . you do understand that it aired as one episode AFTER the races happened.
It's pretty clear early on what he's doing. There was only ever the chance of some illusion being the point of the episode (see his dog track clip), however when he starts talking about probability. Remember, numbers don't lie.
As for the end he almost certainly bets on all 6 horses.
how about the experiment with the pictures and the envelopes etc. did he also perform this experiment with 999999 people who are racehorse trainers, journalists etc.
i also think the same way as durmiendo, if he did not bet for all the horses in the last race then it would be a total violation of the system.
Ok here's my though on this: I think Derren and the TV show producers agreed to pay out the winning amount no matter the outcome. I believe the slip he gave to Kadisha was just a make believe for us the viewers. Since we cannot see the content of the slip, it remains controversial whether or not he really chose the winning horse. Kadisha would have won no matter what, not because Derren was right but because the show would have paid her money no matter the outcome. Y'all let me know what u think
I think a lot of "figuring out" D.B. depends on if you believe he doesn't use stooges. Assuming Khadisha wasn't just bs'ing - and it really looked like she wasn't - D.B. could have placed bets on all 4 (or was it 5?) horses, and switched the slip before she looked at it (but after the winning horse was known). Some of his other tricks are rumored to use this method (like the chess trick, and the b-day present trick), so it's a likely explanation...
There is none. The whole idea of it was that he could create a system of 'belief' that was so powerful it could make a person willingly bet impossibly large amounts of money on something so impossible as a gamble. That 4,000 dollars, no matter how little it might seem to you, represented her livelihood. So, of course, 'the system' had to be quite powerful to convince her to - of all things - gamble it willingly.
Exactly, the deception was that there were still more people who are being filmed, we're just being showed the footage of the person who actually one. The others who lost, probably got their money refunded back to them by derren.
Absolute genius, not just with this, but with all his presentations. However i question why did he change the bet? How was the winning horse chosen, if this really was genuine?
since she won £13,000, that makes the odds of the winning horse around 3:1, probably the favourite. if it had lost, maybe he would've given her money back or put £4000 bets on all the horses, which isn't unlikely when they'd refunded almost 8000 their money already.
I had guessed it fairly early in the show, but purely due to his book, in which he says how probability is just a measure of frequancy, and how perception is decieving.
Paul, did you bet as much as kadisha did ? Was she 'talked' into getting the large amount of cash ? Are you allowed to publicly talk about this ? If not, just let me know :)
I can't help but think that if anyone else did this except Brown you would be VERY pissed off that it was basically a 'scam'. Somehow I just thought at the end -"fair play". He is a true showman.
3:39 poker face
TheSittingArchitect 2 months ago
HAHAHA THAT LUCKY BITCH
Carlisle412 6 months ago
SO How the fuck did he pick the right one at the end? Damn this Brit. If he was in US we'd force the secret out of him we would. A gun t the head or some water boarding, proven methods.
TheFoadolfat 6 months ago
@TheFoadolfat Yep, proving yet again how idiotic Americans can be. I mean anyone can be stupid, however it takes a "real winner" to support torturing someone for monetary gain. Good job keeping the American stigma up and running, ruining it for the rest of us.
deadpoolzer0 3 months ago
So. How did he predict the horse racing experts? in like 4/5 or 3/5 or something... Did he do it with thousands of other horse racing experts? o.o He also did this in episode where he played 9 chess grandmasters... He can't have done it thousands of times to predict the chess pieces left...
jamyupsuhsuh 6 months ago
@jamyupsuhsuh no he made them each other. he just copied the moves of half of them and jused them aginst the other half and vice versa :)
TheGame999999999 6 months ago
@TheGame999999999 i know how he won against the chess players... i don't know how he guessed the number of chess pieces left on the board at the end of the game though.
jamyupsuhsuh 6 months ago
He always/almost always has some little "oops, it didn't work" near the end before revealing that it actually did work. I hope she won't continue gambling!
Fred121212 7 months ago
My god, what a total mind-fuck. I could see him putting a 4k bet on all five horses, guaranteeing a win. During the race, he must have held onto 4 of the tickets, while mangling them the same way she was, and then exchanging the winning ticket with her at the end, right before the reveal -- only way for this to be guaranteed to work. Lot of cash to spend on what was essentially a gag.
FlashJack85 7 months ago
@FlashJack85 this was what i thought
SuperLoganjames 1 month ago
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ApplySomePressure54 7 months ago
The stupid part is that she know still believes he must have some sort of system *sign*. He had probably just placed a bet on all of them with his own money and then switched tickets or something simalar^^ to bad it wasn't for me though:(
Luchtverfrissser 7 months ago
the thing is Derren could place a bet on ALL the horses and it'd hardly be any big deal to him. Its more important to have one winning ticket at the end. How do we know what he did when he went away?? Or even if someone else did it and then gave him the winning ticket. 4000 on however many horses is not that much money for Derren... Just saying...
xrisku 7 months ago
3:38
and the ill cry.
derren ._.
Longlifeee 8 months ago
He could have used the dog race "this is the horse you're looking for" trick instead of worrying about buying the right ticket.
rab236 9 months ago
why did he collect from the bookie when he put the bet on with the tab. Gullible peoples. have a look at the end of part 4 at where he goes to put the bet on and then have a look at end of part 5 where he collects it from.
podo110976 10 months ago
THIS VIDEO PARAPHRASED:
Lady: "Ohai, here's 4000 pounds."
Derren: "Ok. I'm just going to go around the corner and place your bet. Don't look."
Lady: "OMG, I'm so excited and nervous!!1!"
Derren: "Just so you know, I have no fucking idea who's about to win. LOLOLOLOL."
Lady: "Fuckin' hell!"
Derren: "Well, this isn't looking good for you now, is it?"
Lady: "Aww, shit. I'm broke."
Derren: "Look at your ticket, moron."
MajesticTOASTER 11 months ago
Lol I like the way when she's freaking out about the bet she's just placed watching her horse in forth, how Derren Brown hardly looks interested in her plight all focused on the race pointing out, "Yea, it isn't looking good where your horse is at, is it?" loooooooooooool
Deth000 1 year ago
2:41 "OMAIGOOOOTTAAAAA"
alexcoro 1 year ago
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joeterino19 1 year ago
anyone think they gave back the money to the final 6 people?
kanyeezy24 1 year ago
Derren Brown has a lot of money to spend on this stuff. :P It's great though. It's great to show that there is no system or magic or lucky charms involved, even if you win 5 times in a row. Sometimes that just, well, happens.
DeverHB 1 year ago
so derren talked to 8000 people???
ukijhu97 1 year ago
@ukijhu97
Workers/interns or people that worked for him probably mass messaged thousands of the same e-mail, and then it narrowed down from there. What I don't get is the part where four participants chose a picture in the picture room. For that to be possible, did he talk to thousands of people?
TrevorKingKwong 1 year ago
@TrevorKingKwong No I think he influenced them
ukijhu97 1 year ago
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MyYUNGB 1 year ago
when he first tells her, if i were her, i would punch him in the face.
alexkfridges 1 year ago
wouldnt it be easier to just give her 4k and tell to act?
errorrestricted 1 year ago
@errorrestricted
Weres the fun in that? ^^
zyhmrm 1 year ago
OW MAI GAWDAH
insertbadname 1 year ago
there is a high probability that he is some what better than madoff...
supafob120 1 year ago
Thanks for my lovers guys :P
Crimewave9 1 year ago
@Crimewave9
harr harr XD
pyrointeam 1 year ago
I think the show did pay for those who have lost by the 4th bet. Or else, people would have complained about it. Or maybe Darren would be in trouble for tricking people in that sort of way.
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CalebAustin7 1 year ago
LOL! Imagine she actually lost, and when she did, Derren Brown turned around and said, "HAHA! GOTCHA BITCH!"
god604 1 year ago 7
I can't believe that she wouldn't have looked herself and see that it wasn't moon over miami that was on the ticket
thechadzilla 1 year ago
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You PEOPLE SAY: Darren bet on all horses in the last race.
BUT SHE IS FUCKING HOLDING THE TICKET!
AND how did he get it right with the 4 people in the room with the pictures?
You got an answer for that too?
An illusinoist or magican?
Fuck I dont know. Dont try to make you have figured it out.
If you think, answer. Or else just shut up.
Krillep 1 year ago
It wouldnt have mattered to the people who got eliminated from the odds, because they won more money in total than the money they went in to bet with
CapnArch 1 year ago
I just feel so horrible for those who lost so much money on this. Can you imagine how many lives were ruined because of this?
The knowlege that even past this some of the failed people will go and gamble more makes me feel even worse.
remowilliams8 1 year ago
@remowilliams8 They reinbursed all the others lost bettings. The uploader cut the last seconds of the clip which said just that. Just watch the other part 6 from computersolutions164
Trickndel 1 year ago
@Trickndel Thanks. That makes me feel better.
remowilliams8 1 year ago
haha that would suck if moon over miami actually won
169405 1 year ago
@169405 Derren probably had bets on all the horses in the last round and replaced the one she had for the winning one. He almost said it himself ("Do you really think that I would just gamble..."). It cost him "only" 4000 * number of horses.
mgsmgsmgsmgs 1 year ago
fuck u Derren Brown. Giving me a heart attack.
boredom62 1 year ago 4
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bobkaize 1 year ago
That was an incredibly elegant lesson by example. I'm blown away by the clarity and emotional impact he achieved by simply showing a situation in which one person comes to believe a claim that, from their perspective, makes sense and feels to be true and then showing that same situation from the perspective of the person making the claim.
katiekawaii 1 year ago
he used hypnosis suggestions to get the 4 ppl to get the pictures. he used the same initials knowing they would pick them. as 4 the 7000 ppl in the study, yes some 1 is bound to get a winning streak , thats just luk,
badassreinitz 1 year ago
@badassreinitz "That's just luck"? Try: "That's just a mathematical certainty"
ineffable0ne 1 year ago 2
But still... how did he get it right with the 4 people in the room with the pictures?
misterblackdark 1 year ago
@misterblackdark That most have been the only thing that was luck.
HealthXpoint 1 year ago
But how does that explain the stuff he did with racing experts with the pictures and the numbers on the back. A pyramid system cant explain that.
vaughanpanthers14 1 year ago
beepin' awesome
vaughanpanthers14 1 year ago
Well doh!? Figured it out 1 min into part 1.
NamelessBlaze 1 year ago
lol what would he say if moon over miami won
billybob1212 1 year ago
Derren brown is brilliant..
he shows us the system question it and shows its flaws..
Then he leaves us with that...its just like WTF LOL
fireking345 1 year ago
The way to beat the system is to rig it.
meric2 1 year ago
Brilliant! Seemingly one of a sadly dwindling few left on British TV who knows how to entertain without mocking or talking down.
Thanks very much for posting!
PhilipPorter 2 years ago
I wanted to punch him in the face when he was explaining the system and while the rave was ending. But it turned out ok.
jip18 2 years ago
Stock brokers use this same scam in order to gain loyal clients.
spoonman73 2 years ago 2
wonder if the rest of the thousands of people he emailed will get compensation for their bets from the show?
or they just blame it on their own greed and naivete?
mossyburger 2 years ago
no way guys! this is how he really did it.
when the horse loses, she was sad and at that moment derren said "SLEEP BITCH"
and hypnotised her to sleep, then afterwards, he just changed it to the right ticket in her hand and the camera's rolled again.
of course he got 4 tickets for all 4 of the horses to change at will, how did he get all 4 horses?
he said "SLEEP BITCH" to the ticket man and got all 4 tickets
along with the woman's 4000 dollars in his pocket.
and he gets away with it with xtra 4k
Crimewave9 2 years ago 54
lmao
BalthazzarCH 2 years ago
@Crimewave9 hahahahahaahah you are fucking funny lol
youngmack213 1 year ago
@Crimewave9 I think he used the 'paying with paper'-trick at the cashiers
johnnyvi 1 year ago 2
@Crimewave9
Crimewave9, u live up to your brilliant name. xD
goldragons 1 year ago
@goldragons thx i wish it was brilliant as as Derren's SLEEP BITCH trick
Crimewave9 1 year ago
@Crimewave9
hhahahahahaha best ever!!!
pyrointeam 1 year ago
@pyrointeam Thanks haha :D
Crimewave9 1 year ago
@Crimewave9 lol wtf dude
abirz11 10 months ago
He placed a $4000 on EVERY horse and slipped her the correct ticket after it had won. Which is exactly the same method he used for everything else in this episode...nice touch. :D
thecolorunknown 2 years ago 6
i dun think there's another layer to this pyramid, i think she really was the last one, the only one to go face to face with darren, but how did darren guess it right? well, he didnt, his guess was wrong, but by simply saying that the bet was on no.2, she wouldnt look at the ticket, and she never did i'd assume. and there were 5 horses, £4000 x 5 is £20000, which isn't alot to be part of the budget of a tv show. he simply switched the ticket after he found out which one.
aaron4820 2 years ago
wow
Dimi000 2 years ago
LOL. F the system.
insaneaddiciton 2 years ago 3
I'm also surprised that after explaining how he did all that, you think he ACTUALLY "knew" the winner in the end... there was another round of people beyond the original thousands, she was not the last one... she was still 1 of 6, they just chose to end it there, creating the illusion.
Violaetor 2 years ago
Brown spent the entire time with her. It seems more likely that he make a 4k bet on each horse, and swapped out her ticket after the race. This has the same effect, but requires 38880 fewer people.
DrStab 2 years ago 2
I don't think so. He said the dame exact thing to the remaining 6 people, not just her. She just happened to "win" out of them thus that is the only one out of the other 5 hopefuls that they showed at the conclusion of this Darren Brown show.
thespecter2 2 years ago
I knew he was going to do this to her.
flufbus 2 years ago 4
I'm so glad he let her win.
stinky472 2 years ago 3
Its genius and all, but i do not understand how he picked the last horse? was that just another random, computer programed decision, and he just thinks its going to be the winner because SHE herself is lucky?
XxRiSiNgSuNxX 2 years ago
He just placed a bet on all the horses. He's not looking to make money on the bet itself, but on the show he's producing; he gets paid by Channel 4. So he places a bet on each horse, knowing only one of the tickets will win, and the rest of the tickets won't. If her horse happens to win (as it was favored to), then Mr. Brown looks like a genius. If her horse loses, then he gives her the winning ticket after a moment of worry. And he looks like a genius and a clever showman to boot.
PianoWallaby 2 years ago 2
@PianoWallaby
but he says himself hes a showman and a illusionist..
he also here if u listened carefully
asked "does the system really exist?"
fireking345 1 year ago
@fireking345 I am not sure what your comment is about, but in case you thought I was criticizing Mr. Brown, I was not. Someone had just asked how this trick had worked, and I explained it. I think the show was brilliantly done.
PianoWallaby 1 year ago
I feel so sorry for the ones who lost, especially in the last round :(
hermanessences 2 years ago 34
@hermanessences Nobody lost in the last round. He placed 5 bets, and gave her the 1 that won.
nithelmusic 1 year ago
@hermanessences they didn't didn't lose any money .. they actually ended up having more than what they started with (20P) .. that's why derren only apoligized to the losers in the first race because they actually lost 20 pounds
gorogawa 1 year ago
@gorogawa the players in the first round did not make any bet, if you remember, the tip said " DO NOT BET" first time
iosk8 1 year ago
@iosk8 maybe .. who cares anyways? :)
gorogawa 1 year ago
@hermanessences They were paid back for sure. :)
damndlauradee 1 year ago
@hermanessences I would hope the show paid them back...
bduddy55555 1 year ago
@hermanessences
Fortunately (or unfortunately), this video clips JUST before the end of the episode. At the real end it states that at every stage, every participant was offered a full refund.
I still do wonder how he knew to stick with her during the race to be filmed, but I think he placed the bet on all of the horses and swapped out the right one when her's lost. This is merely speculation, though
Muffinzeshlongun 1 year ago
@Muffinzeshlongun how do you know the video clips. i dont see any change in the time counter. i am just curious and if you dont mind telling me. thanks. i know this is a comment from a year ago, but i do hope you will tell me.
SuperLoganjames 1 month ago
@SuperLoganjames
If I remember correctly, I watched this episode on a different video and it went a bit farther than this one did. Again, I really can't remember that far back
Muffinzeshlongun 1 month ago
@hermanessences nah he told them to bet less than they had won in the previous rounds
stewiegriffn 8 months ago
@hermanessences They were refunded - so that's more than most losing betters can hope for.
Efemral 4 months ago
He was fortunate that she didn't look at her ticket he gave her as when he swapped it later for the winning ticket she'd have known the trick.
Do hope the others were compensated though I would have thought they would have said!
irnbru4u 3 years ago 4
actually just saw another clip which said at the end all participants were offered a refund on bets they had lost.
irnbru4u 3 years ago 4
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How could you not see that ending coming? Its the only fricken way!
Also, consider this probability:
The propability of him performing this feat, finding 8000 volunteers
OR
Hiring roughly 6 actors. Duh.
Jonh1973YAY 3 years ago
doesent matter
ZeroTamura 2 years ago
As others said, they almost certainly bet £4k on all the horses and then swapped her ticket for the ticket of the winning horse. Though I do wonder whether they compensated all the 7000+ people that they had bet on horses from the start onwards!
Graid 3 years ago
Everyone was compensated, but they didn't need to compensate 7000 people because in the first round, they were told NOT to bet, but just keep an eye on the result to gain there trust,so thats over 5500 people eliminated without spending a penny. In the 2nd round they were told tojust bet a small amount that they could afford to lose, about 10 or 20. Small change for a TV company.
This left just 216 people, and the bets were still relativly small, about 20-50 each.
MJMilz14 3 years ago 6
he's always fuckin' fooling me the bastard.
malahoff 3 years ago
if i would lose that much money coz of derren id beat him up :P
but he ll probably make me not wanna do that with some kind of trick
Severion 3 years ago
i was hoping he would do the thing where he gets money for losing tickets like he did with the guy at the dog races
rhcbearsfan 3 years ago 2
but she won :)
juicypop 3 years ago
When This Was On C4, I Was So Gutted, My Sound Stopped Working On My TV On C4
moofie16 3 years ago
wow haha, intense
juicypop 3 years ago
If that were the case, they were lucky with a stranger's acting skills. :) I think Derren just swapped it while she was staring numbly or something, he's really good at pickpocketing anyways.
Bobstew68 3 years ago 3
surley they wouldn't trick us like that ?!
goon143 3 years ago
i don't get it there he goes debunking the whole system thing yet he knew which horse would win !
goon143 3 years ago
all the losing participants were given a refund... weren't they?
domandmattsmagic 3 years ago
Yes.
entocheets 3 years ago
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All that money, and he just made her lose it
Evulmeh 3 years ago
did u watch the whole thing? or are you just a tard?..she fuckin won smart ass.
INVERTpbFREAK 3 years ago 5
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She lost.. thats a pity.. she put a lot of bucks..
devkamal 3 years ago
she won. watch it again
Rushby2k 3 years ago
I don't like this - I thought to myself that this was the only way I could comprehend a working system but when he revealed how it was done I could have hit him lol
hamtamnam 3 years ago
Makes me happy to see her happy.
elnetini 3 years ago 3
what a twist and a smashing finish! derren brown is simply amazing
dark3out3side3 3 years ago 2
holy crap
kklloopp 3 years ago
lol
hes a genius
minyminmin 3 years ago
she looks like she`s gonna slap the shit out of him 3:35 hahaha
sled1950 3 years ago
look at her quick change of expression at 1:38
cursevirus 3 years ago
He said there were only 7,776 contestants at the start but I think this must be a further trick on the audience; he must have used 46,656 to make this work and not told us about the others who actually lost the bet on the final race - at least they were refunded =)
JamesAG 3 years ago
He probably just bought 5 tickets 4k on each, and swapped the ticket in her hand.
He will of told her to hold the ticket no matter what and to not read it.
dashingandy101 3 years ago 3
It probably makes more sense to simply pocket the cash when he's out of sight and use an actor as the bookie when the payout is made rather than lay out 20 grand. He may have switched the tickets but it's more likely he just used the, "this is the winning ticket" trick.
genericname1234 3 years ago
It's very unlikely he used that. Way to much money and not the appropriate conditions. He could pay for 1000s of video cameras, he can afford to bet 6 times.
GhostOfRory 3 years ago
Perhaps, but that wouldn't make sense because he was standing with her the whole time. The only way it could have worked is to have the final race different for each person, but even then if that were the case the odds aren't narrowed in the final race, it still remains 6:1
genericname1234 3 years ago
very true, i withdraw my comment ^^ though there is definitely something we haven't seen
JamesAG 3 years ago
lol at derren's face at 3:40
malsahth 3 years ago 2
wota climax. loved the programme. bt feel sorry 4 the thousands of other people that put hundreds of pounds on haha.
GMs101 3 years ago
Only the ones that lost on the second race actually lost any money all the rest wagered their winnings from the previous races.
dashingandy101 3 years ago
Erm... you seem to have missed a few minutes out between part 4 and 5. You probably already know this, it's just slightly annoying. Oh and in response to the comment below this: it's not rubbish and Derren DOESN'T USE STOOGES. he never does. he simply doesn't need to dumbass
th3wordsmith 3 years ago
okay listen to my system, when u went from part 4 to part 5 did u bother the to check whether they are from the same person, i mean the person who posted..the answer is no..u didn't thats why u lost those annyoing minutes..lol
fannytickler 3 years ago 2
OH yeah i forgot coz you live with him??
ifsothenpuke 3 years ago
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Biggest load of rubbish ever. He should be ashamed of himself for maybe getting some poor stupid soul watching to gamble as well. Obviously the woman was only acting and the fact that he placed the bet at the totepool and got payed out by a bookie is proof he didnt pick the horse. Woman was obviously only acting.
monster997 3 years ago
. . . you do understand that it aired as one episode AFTER the races happened.
It's pretty clear early on what he's doing. There was only ever the chance of some illusion being the point of the episode (see his dog track clip), however when he starts talking about probability. Remember, numbers don't lie.
As for the end he almost certainly bets on all 6 horses.
Foxferatu 3 years ago 3
"NOOOO NOOOOOOOO OH I DONT BELIEVE IT, my horse didnt win."
Thats a tough life youve got there love.
lwouldliketoknow 3 years ago
that fucking wad of cash
moltenslag 3 years ago 2
this is so so great! "a belief system"!! Amazing!
gartlove 3 years ago
I can flip a coin and get head every time
poohpoohtube 3 years ago
People are still saying whats the system?
He explains it in the video lol. It is a trick of deception.
If he had only showed the footage of this lady we would be mystified also.
TheRulnig 3 years ago
how about the experiment with the pictures and the envelopes etc. did he also perform this experiment with 999999 people who are racehorse trainers, journalists etc.
i also think the same way as durmiendo, if he did not bet for all the horses in the last race then it would be a total violation of the system.
miskbay 3 years ago
well i spent an hour watching that! what a conn!
mogsa2 3 years ago
If that women really thought that D.B had just cost her £4,000 she would have laid into him in my opinion..
donrolando 3 years ago
its a pyrrole amide scheme.
SymAmineC8H11N 3 years ago
i think that its fuking wasome :p
bow07768278643 3 years ago
if i wouldf lost 4000 i woulda wooped derrens ass..lol..j/k
bigshad226 3 years ago
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Sooooo..... WHATZ DA F***ING SYSTEM?!?!?!?!?!
funkifashion01 3 years ago
THERE IS NO SYSTEM. he explained it.... were you not listening?
georgebarrett 3 years ago 2
oh come on man, you missed the sarcasm?
durmiendo 3 years ago
Ok here's my though on this: I think Derren and the TV show producers agreed to pay out the winning amount no matter the outcome. I believe the slip he gave to Kadisha was just a make believe for us the viewers. Since we cannot see the content of the slip, it remains controversial whether or not he really chose the winning horse. Kadisha would have won no matter what, not because Derren was right but because the show would have paid her money no matter the outcome. Y'all let me know what u think
richerbythesecond 3 years ago
I think a lot of "figuring out" D.B. depends on if you believe he doesn't use stooges. Assuming Khadisha wasn't just bs'ing - and it really looked like she wasn't - D.B. could have placed bets on all 4 (or was it 5?) horses, and switched the slip before she looked at it (but after the winning horse was known). Some of his other tricks are rumored to use this method (like the chess trick, and the b-day present trick), so it's a likely explanation...
durmiendo 3 years ago
SO WHAT IS THE FUCKING SYSTEM?
richerbythesecond 3 years ago
There is none. The whole idea of it was that he could create a system of 'belief' that was so powerful it could make a person willingly bet impossibly large amounts of money on something so impossible as a gamble. That 4,000 dollars, no matter how little it might seem to you, represented her livelihood. So, of course, 'the system' had to be quite powerful to convince her to - of all things - gamble it willingly.
gobipie 3 years ago 2
Wait. That means the last bit is just magic. How the fuck did he do that?
kidsilcon 3 years ago
bet 5 different tickets, 4k each
exanto 3 years ago 2
but he only gave her one ticket before the race :P
beefdlo 3 years ago
He could have just used some sleight of hand to place the winning ticket in her hand.
mrguytodd 3 years ago 3
genious
pokerpro1078 3 years ago
OOHH MY GODDDDAAAAAAAA
WTF lady...
Lanzerx07 3 years ago 2
Deren should let her lose the money, so she would learn a lesson. No pain, no gain.
genghiskii 4 years ago
lol that lady was excited about 4k pounds on her horse
derren probably had like 400k on that horse
sidstille 4 years ago 3
Great showmanship :-) I like him
My guess is he bet his own money in all of them and managed to swap her ticket in a moment of attention, he's good at misdirection.
Mussaheem 4 years ago
yes i guess too! or mayB the TV-Channel paid it =) but its a very nice trick for this (now not longer) poor lady ^^
domehgt 4 years ago
Haha, at 3:40, after she says she'll cry until she dies, look at Brown's expression.
guitarguy93 4 years ago 2
i rekon theyre are possibly 6 or so ppl left tht have been filmed throughout, but we're only seeing the story of the winner
nextjimmypage 4 years ago
Exactly, the deception was that there were still more people who are being filmed, we're just being showed the footage of the person who actually one. The others who lost, probably got their money refunded back to them by derren.
Pr0x1mo 4 years ago
Yep!
justaguy150 3 years ago
But how? Derren can't be at six places at once?
kidsilcon 3 years ago
Absolute genius, not just with this, but with all his presentations. However i question why did he change the bet? How was the winning horse chosen, if this really was genuine?
seanrf07 4 years ago
since she won £13,000, that makes the odds of the winning horse around 3:1, probably the favourite. if it had lost, maybe he would've given her money back or put £4000 bets on all the horses, which isn't unlikely when they'd refunded almost 8000 their money already.
thesurgeon 4 years ago
Derren Brown is tha best
It works for me one time when i wasn't aware of it.
Fuck with the mind. The force is strong with you ;)
hitshenkie 4 years ago
I had guessed it fairly early in the show, but purely due to his book, in which he says how probability is just a measure of frequancy, and how perception is decieving.
Brilliant book, highly recommend it.
WilhouseB 4 years ago
I was the guy that said 'you win some you lose some', damn my classic lines lol
Pretty cool i got in the final six, but shame about not winning and all
Paul
dinocorps 4 years ago 2
Paul, did you bet as much as kadisha did ? Was she 'talked' into getting the large amount of cash ? Are you allowed to publicly talk about this ? If not, just let me know :)
Asure007 4 years ago
I can't help but think that if anyone else did this except Brown you would be VERY pissed off that it was basically a 'scam'. Somehow I just thought at the end -"fair play". He is a true showman.
snoopy999 4 years ago