iyou need more shoulder and chest rotation, as that is where a lot of power comes from.
the other thing is that if you want a closed stance you should step forward more with your left foot, or if you want an open stance like me and most very good modern players, then you would want to step out more with your right foot, and as i said earlier rotate your body for more power
I do understand this is just a basic demonstation.
thanks for the videos man, Im glad to see people so interested in tennis
@asfadasfa1234 i don't want to hit closed stance. and i can't rotate that much, i'm not that flexible. actually i've tried but it would be something i have to practice ALOT...it adds too much power and the ball flies
dumm comment really the modern tennis is play with a lot of topspin this is the base of the modern tennis then you can play it a little flat to have more pace but using the same technique. to be consistent you will need to use your wrist (wind-shield motion) this add more spin and with practice also you get more speed.
i used to hit like that too, and when i learned how to do topspin.. i cannot do a normal forehand no more,.. like everytime i do it, my ball alwayys go out ,. so when im playing my ball has only 2 spins, topspin and backspin which i do the most,
Im not trying to be an asshole or anything but the form on your forehand is atrocious. There is no knee bend whatsoever and the reason you put stress on your arm is because you put to body or weight transfer into your shot........that is just my opinion.
nah, you're an ___ jj I'm joking. knee bend. not there yet. I don't think I have the determination to change my knee bed... i'm just lazy and old. let's just say that :D
you are too tense.very bad forehand technique,and what you doing is wrong,thats why it creates stress.body posture is horrible.The new technique creates more speed and spin with less power demanded from your arm and body.
Funny that you laugh about your own lack of skill, too naive to acknowledge it. The reason why you get arm problems is because you do not hit the modern forehand TECHNICALLY SOUND. Go to a good coach and learn the proper modern forehand, that will not ruin your arm.
HEY Mysteriekiller... How you been? we missed your cheerful personality... lol... as I was saying earlier as you never read what I say anyways, I learned it 5 years ago, and most people know it takes 10 years or about 10000 balls to master, and most people know the modern forehand works really well but it is prone to injury due to the excessive torque it generates. my arm is fine by the way :D thank you very much. we missed your cheerfulness
My forehand against the ball machine is pretty nice, but in real games I don't have the confidence to use it. It's the darndest thing, in the warm ups I totally dominate, then when we play I have to revert to playing slice. :-( I've only been playing in club matches for a few months though so hopefully I'll get better.
i totally understand. got to believe in it and start hitting it. but I've had problems before with my fh when I don't practice... sooo it comes with time
I did play with the windshield wiper, but it was slow. Incapable for any winners for me =/. So now I finish just below my shoulder, and I can alternate between topspin or flat shots, I like the flat shots, fast, low and simple. Windhield wiper for me just uses up more strength and wasn't as effective. Any tips?
I myself do a combination of both, stretching that arm too early and you loose speed. Torquing too much (like a windshield wiper) requires an extreme grip. I just use the eastern grip and do a followthrough with bent elbows (90 degree angle) ending with a loose wrist. It's not too stressful and you can switch easily between a slice (continental grip) aswell.
I've looked into a few more of your videos and now I get the full picture of your teaching. So yes, you are being very specific in each one, but the overall picture shows a lot of variation. You're on a mission!
As for your question: my stance is that you can teach your students any technique, but should leave the decision making to them. You can guide it a little: when teaching W-grip topspin, throw high balls at them; when teaching flat, throw low balls. That will ingest the decision making.
I appreciate the video but I'm not sure I can follow the discussion on grip and old or new school. The more techniques you master, the more you can vary and adapt your strategy. If you can't deal with high topspins, you're done. If you can't deal with flat, hard shots, you're done too. There is no point in concentrating on "the winning technique" for they're is none.
Learn simple, flat swing first, then learn topspin, then learn more variations. That will make you win.
here's a question--I've been debating teaching students to change grips on height of ball--it's PBI thing also, but I change my wrist angle--BUT that is extremely difficult to teach. what do you think? you know what i mean--a low slice needs a flatter grip while a high ball would do better with a more western style
changing grips on a slice? western grip for hitting a high slice??? to me its about finding the right contact point and adjusting the racquet face wrist angle to what you want to hit. my semi-western forehand never changes on a forehand shot and that goes for my continental grip for my slice.
teaching the wrist angle thing is really hard to do, it's something I think better players do automatically BUT to assist the beginner... BUT that's awfully complicated...maybe just a racquet face thing would work
it's hilarious--i actually use a exislim casio. it's a camera, not a camcorder. but I like it because it's small, can shoot for up to 52 minutes, and saves in a avi format. I'm looking at a panasonic or jvc camcorder.
dude lolz i dunno but you should really get a normal sized racket with lest power faster swing and yeah, i dunno it wud be better to watch maybe get an AeroStorm it just better to relate to and you are a good player you dot require an easy racket
a semi western grip isnt oldschool? thats the grip that pretty much all pro players these days are using. either that or a full western similar to nadal. and a semi western is a harder grip to use because you need to work much harder on your timing and power into the shot.
if you want an easy going shot you should be using a grip closer to an ordinary eastern, trying to shorten your backswing as to reduce the stress on your arm and possibly generating your power from a step in tooward the ball
thats wrong though. the people i imagine you are preaching to in this video are older players, and older players do not generally hit like rafa nadal. older players also prefer to keep points shorter and would therefore try and dictate the play with their first shot. because of this fact the ball returned by their opponent will most probably be shallower without too much spin allowing them to hit at knee height and continue to dictate the rally.
hahaha. This is true. If you are old then simple is better because the amount of snapping that modern tennis requires is just not...there anymore. If you are young or relatively young, go with a more modern technique. It takes a while, but once its developed the ball becomes much heavier, and its much easier to generate pace.
that's so true...it's so bad for me because I'm so not used to doing it. I learned the new way like when I was 34...it's been 5 years but it's not a good shot for me
yeah Ive been learning it all summer. Its frustrating. really frustrating. I dont mean to hate on your forehand (like alot of people have done). Youtubers are so use to watching replays of federer and nadal that a replay of us normal people looks bad when its really not.
you can do the windsheild wiper motion with out damaging your body, many people try to do a WW stroke fast and wristy right before they hit the ball too create more racket head speed and torque on the ball, you just have too get the WW technique right and not force speed onto the ball, speed and power will come with time
The windshield wiper motion requires a fuller swing. Using such a small swing, your body can only do so much to produce racket head speed. And most beginners/intermediates would put all that stress on the arm, when it should be shared throughout the body (resulting in none except tired legs). If you use a bigger swing, it's much easier and you reduce the stress on your body.
yep, I agree :D teaching the windshield to players is so dangerous...so many parts can go wrong when they experiment... because you snap your wrist and you can generate a lot more pace... and really hurt yourself--the wrist is a sliding joint designed to go up and down not side to side
Hahah so basically dont whip or jerk it. I jerk it well kind of a whip, but my arm never gets hurt, and i usually play for about 3-5hrs daily. Great explanation in the video !
if you follow through to your shoulder, you u will eventually get more hip and shoulder turn giving you more topspin and power, or you can finish at your waist, but that one is hard to explain for me.
Actually hi10spro is right. Eastern "GRIP" IS oldschool, but whoever said that semiwestern ISN'T oldschool?
Here's the deal! It has nothing to do with the GRIP that determines whther or not a SW grip forehand is old or new! It has to do with the SWINGPATH and pronation (experts in the tennis community call that swiping pronation the "windshield wiper"!).
So a semiwestern grip can be either old OR newskewl! It all depends on the swingpah, motion, and followthrough.
The fan motion on the backswing of your forehand isn't good because while it does produce more topspin, you'll end up hitting alot of balls into the net because you need a higher follow through. And the fanning motion would put more stress on you elbow anyways...
why are you catching your racquet? your actually slowing it down through the contact point because of this. what player today catches the racquet with their left hand? and semi western is not an old scoool grip. i think your thinking of eastern forehand grip.
he never hit a real ball
GonUsa1 1 month ago
iyou need more shoulder and chest rotation, as that is where a lot of power comes from.
the other thing is that if you want a closed stance you should step forward more with your left foot, or if you want an open stance like me and most very good modern players, then you would want to step out more with your right foot, and as i said earlier rotate your body for more power
I do understand this is just a basic demonstation.
thanks for the videos man, Im glad to see people so interested in tennis
asfadasfa1234 10 months ago
@asfadasfa1234 i don't want to hit closed stance. and i can't rotate that much, i'm not that flexible. actually i've tried but it would be something i have to practice ALOT...it adds too much power and the ball flies
hi10spro 9 months ago
ok, consider this one, he does not use his Right leg, releases that right leg before the swing.
Instead, push through with the right leg, this is where a lot of power can be generated.
Should be balanced on right and left feet.
toozydude2 10 months ago
@toozydude2 That my friend is one of the best comments I have ever seen. What is your background
hi10spro 10 months ago
@hi10spro haha im just another tennis player mate. I try to understand tennis strokes and what makes it better :)
toozydude2 10 months ago
How tall are you?
ManMingLam 11 months ago
@ManMingLam 6 foot 7 inches tall... kay...maybe not...
hi10spro 11 months ago
lmfao at 0:30
bavarianblucandy 11 months ago
do you have a video of eastern forehand power?
like the forehand of roger federer?
23remoh 1 year ago
The guy on the clips sucks.
his swing ends to soon. if you try it like whole the way back you will be able to hit harder en more accurate.
lawlie1 1 year ago
@lawlie1 big backswing or full follow through. I don't like big backswings
hi10spro 1 year ago
@hi10spro I was talking about the end of the forehand he should go all the way over his shoulder ..
in this way he could get injured.. and its less accurate and needs more power..
lawlie1 8 months ago
@lawlie1 OH... i believe in that, a big follow through helps accelerate the racquet through the shot
hi10spro 8 months ago
dumm comment really the modern tennis is play with a lot of topspin this is the base of the modern tennis then you can play it a little flat to have more pace but using the same technique. to be consistent you will need to use your wrist (wind-shield motion) this add more spin and with practice also you get more speed.
andres9591 1 year ago
its unbelieveable how many dumbasses leave stupid comments here about tennis.....
hi10spro i would ignore 80 % of them, its unnecessesary to answer such stupid posts!
its a big problem in tennis, there are too many hobby- players who think they know much about tennis and give others wrong advices-
lukebonstingl 1 year ago
how to hit a rock-shot?
vaccinne 1 year ago
@vaccinne HAAHHAHA just hit it hard and in
hi10spro 1 year ago
pro
historian111z 2 years ago
i used to hit like that too, and when i learned how to do topspin.. i cannot do a normal forehand no more,.. like everytime i do it, my ball alwayys go out ,. so when im playing my ball has only 2 spins, topspin and backspin which i do the most,
markopaolo2 2 years ago
backspin is bad..unless you're really old like me :D
hi10spro 2 years ago
haha i kno,. hey im not old lol, im still a teenager xD
but yea i used a lot of backspin coz its a pretty good shot when ur planning a drop shot near the net,..
markopaolo2 2 years ago
@markopaolo2 hit topspin...you can't hit backspin harder to make it go in...but you can nail the hell out of topspin and make it go in.
hi10spro 1 year ago
loosen your grip up buddy.
JWaslen 2 years ago
are you trying to make federer laugh?
MapleDynasty 2 years ago
ahhaha I would love to have a conversation with Fed
hi10spro 2 years ago
Im not trying to be an asshole or anything but the form on your forehand is atrocious. There is no knee bend whatsoever and the reason you put stress on your arm is because you put to body or weight transfer into your shot........that is just my opinion.
vlshields166 2 years ago
nah, you're an ___ jj I'm joking. knee bend. not there yet. I don't think I have the determination to change my knee bed... i'm just lazy and old. let's just say that :D
hi10spro 2 years ago
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gewooneerlijk 2 years ago
yep
hi10spro 2 years ago
you are too tense.very bad forehand technique,and what you doing is wrong,thats why it creates stress.body posture is horrible.The new technique creates more speed and spin with less power demanded from your arm and body.
imyourlords 2 years ago
what is the correction?
hi10spro 2 years ago
I suggest you to learn to hit a technically sound windshield wiper, not that buggy motion that causes your arm problems.
mysteriekiller 2 years ago
buggy motion :D AHAHAHAHHAHAHA
hi10spro 2 years ago
Funny that you laugh about your own lack of skill, too naive to acknowledge it. The reason why you get arm problems is because you do not hit the modern forehand TECHNICALLY SOUND. Go to a good coach and learn the proper modern forehand, that will not ruin your arm.
mysteriekiller 2 years ago
HEY Mysteriekiller... How you been? we missed your cheerful personality... lol... as I was saying earlier as you never read what I say anyways, I learned it 5 years ago, and most people know it takes 10 years or about 10000 balls to master, and most people know the modern forehand works really well but it is prone to injury due to the excessive torque it generates. my arm is fine by the way :D thank you very much. we missed your cheerfulness
hi10spro 2 years ago
I hit about 10000 balls per week with my ball machine alone. Did you mean 1,000,000?
dodododa 2 years ago
whoa. no really, we theorized about the number of hits you would need to learn/master a stroke. do you have a BIG forehand now?
hi10spro 2 years ago
My forehand against the ball machine is pretty nice, but in real games I don't have the confidence to use it. It's the darndest thing, in the warm ups I totally dominate, then when we play I have to revert to playing slice. :-( I've only been playing in club matches for a few months though so hopefully I'll get better.
dodododa 2 years ago
i totally understand. got to believe in it and start hitting it. but I've had problems before with my fh when I don't practice... sooo it comes with time
hi10spro 2 years ago
Dude that's exactly how I feel lol
IPawnt 2 years ago
I did play with the windshield wiper, but it was slow. Incapable for any winners for me =/. So now I finish just below my shoulder, and I can alternate between topspin or flat shots, I like the flat shots, fast, low and simple. Windhield wiper for me just uses up more strength and wasn't as effective. Any tips?
willobillo0714 2 years ago
@willobillo0714 '
ye i started out as flat , then topspin windshield style , then now its like fast topspin that it looks like its flat
toutaaaaaaa 1 year ago
@willobillo0714 flat works man! classic is great
hi10spro 1 year ago
I myself do a combination of both, stretching that arm too early and you loose speed. Torquing too much (like a windshield wiper) requires an extreme grip. I just use the eastern grip and do a followthrough with bent elbows (90 degree angle) ending with a loose wrist. It's not too stressful and you can switch easily between a slice (continental grip) aswell.
Cenot4ph 2 years ago
you use an eastern grip to do this...whoa... you got video?
hi10spro 2 years ago
I've looked into a few more of your videos and now I get the full picture of your teaching. So yes, you are being very specific in each one, but the overall picture shows a lot of variation. You're on a mission!
As for your question: my stance is that you can teach your students any technique, but should leave the decision making to them. You can guide it a little: when teaching W-grip topspin, throw high balls at them; when teaching flat, throw low balls. That will ingest the decision making.
MondayMeadows 2 years ago 2
very nicely said
hi10spro 2 years ago
I appreciate the video but I'm not sure I can follow the discussion on grip and old or new school. The more techniques you master, the more you can vary and adapt your strategy. If you can't deal with high topspins, you're done. If you can't deal with flat, hard shots, you're done too. There is no point in concentrating on "the winning technique" for they're is none.
Learn simple, flat swing first, then learn topspin, then learn more variations. That will make you win.
MondayMeadows 2 years ago
here's a question--I've been debating teaching students to change grips on height of ball--it's PBI thing also, but I change my wrist angle--BUT that is extremely difficult to teach. what do you think? you know what i mean--a low slice needs a flatter grip while a high ball would do better with a more western style
hi10spro 2 years ago
changing grips on a slice? western grip for hitting a high slice??? to me its about finding the right contact point and adjusting the racquet face wrist angle to what you want to hit. my semi-western forehand never changes on a forehand shot and that goes for my continental grip for my slice.
infoowetrust 2 years ago
teaching the wrist angle thing is really hard to do, it's something I think better players do automatically BUT to assist the beginner... BUT that's awfully complicated...maybe just a racquet face thing would work
hi10spro 2 years ago
racquet face wrist angle is for really good players, and really hard to teach to newbies
hi10spro 2 years ago
what kind of camera do you use?
paulkielsmithdotcom 2 years ago
it's hilarious--i actually use a exislim casio. it's a camera, not a camcorder. but I like it because it's small, can shoot for up to 52 minutes, and saves in a avi format. I'm looking at a panasonic or jvc camcorder.
hi10spro 2 years ago
good video
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paulkielsmithdotcom 2 years ago
dude lolz i dunno but you should really get a normal sized racket with lest power faster swing and yeah, i dunno it wud be better to watch maybe get an AeroStorm it just better to relate to and you are a good player you dot require an easy racket
Kingportable 2 years ago
AAHHAHAHAH i have a delicate elbow and need a light racquet-and for some reason if it's too flexible...it hurts...
hi10spro 2 years ago
a semi western grip isnt oldschool? thats the grip that pretty much all pro players these days are using. either that or a full western similar to nadal. and a semi western is a harder grip to use because you need to work much harder on your timing and power into the shot.
if you want an easy going shot you should be using a grip closer to an ordinary eastern, trying to shorten your backswing as to reduce the stress on your arm and possibly generating your power from a step in tooward the ball
LeweLeweLewe 2 years ago
now that is an interesting comment.
hi10spro 2 years ago
do you agree then?
LeweLeweLewe 2 years ago
no. the eastern is too vulnerable to high balls. you need to hit spin to win.
hi10spro 2 years ago
thats wrong though. the people i imagine you are preaching to in this video are older players, and older players do not generally hit like rafa nadal. older players also prefer to keep points shorter and would therefore try and dictate the play with their first shot. because of this fact the ball returned by their opponent will most probably be shallower without too much spin allowing them to hit at knee height and continue to dictate the rally.
LeweLeweLewe 2 years ago
you're making it too simple, older players hit topspin nowadays, so ball height is a factor
hi10spro 2 years ago
tell that to federer.
thereisnoel 2 years ago
federer doesn't count. he's a god...
hi10spro 2 years ago
hahaha. This is true. If you are old then simple is better because the amount of snapping that modern tennis requires is just not...there anymore. If you are young or relatively young, go with a more modern technique. It takes a while, but once its developed the ball becomes much heavier, and its much easier to generate pace.
thereisnoel 2 years ago
that's so true...it's so bad for me because I'm so not used to doing it. I learned the new way like when I was 34...it's been 5 years but it's not a good shot for me
hi10spro 2 years ago
yeah Ive been learning it all summer. Its frustrating. really frustrating. I dont mean to hate on your forehand (like alot of people have done). Youtubers are so use to watching replays of federer and nadal that a replay of us normal people looks bad when its really not.
thereisnoel 2 years ago
good answer. the average tennis player doesn't look great. and there are far more average tennis players than Federers
hi10spro 2 years ago
why do you make loop on the backswing
if the ball coming low do you have enough time
gewooneerlijk 2 years ago
it's all timing. you turn the shoulders with the loop and bring it down. my loop was bigger when I was a kid.
hi10spro 2 years ago
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FuzyConker 2 years ago
whoa...really. this forehand finish is all the rave now...
hi10spro 2 years ago
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FuzyConker 2 years ago
you have a good coach. I think the pull/fan forehand is bad for your body and arm...it wrecks my arm...
hi10spro 2 years ago
that finish on your forehand wont help my accuracy because my shots will hit the net
FuzyConker 2 years ago
you can do the windsheild wiper motion with out damaging your body, many people try to do a WW stroke fast and wristy right before they hit the ball too create more racket head speed and torque on the ball, you just have too get the WW technique right and not force speed onto the ball, speed and power will come with time
matkimi 2 years ago
The windshield wiper motion requires a fuller swing. Using such a small swing, your body can only do so much to produce racket head speed. And most beginners/intermediates would put all that stress on the arm, when it should be shared throughout the body (resulting in none except tired legs). If you use a bigger swing, it's much easier and you reduce the stress on your body.
Oreoclan 2 years ago
yep, I agree :D teaching the windshield to players is so dangerous...so many parts can go wrong when they experiment... because you snap your wrist and you can generate a lot more pace... and really hurt yourself--the wrist is a sliding joint designed to go up and down not side to side
hi10spro 2 years ago
Hahah so basically dont whip or jerk it. I jerk it well kind of a whip, but my arm never gets hurt, and i usually play for about 3-5hrs daily. Great explanation in the video !
thagalogkid 3 years ago
I play with the left , continental ( old school as you said ) , which is the best way to beat somebody that plays with western grip?
andreaoffshore 3 years ago
yea my back hand is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than my forehand
purplequeenangie 3 years ago
if you follow through to your shoulder, you u will eventually get more hip and shoulder turn giving you more topspin and power, or you can finish at your waist, but that one is hard to explain for me.
Cruz4891 3 years ago
how tall are you?
BBQ151 3 years ago
6 feet. 5 feet 5 inches tall
hi10spro 3 years ago
how tall are you?
BBQ151 3 years ago
10 feet... 5 foot 6...and that's a big 6
hi10spro 3 years ago
Simple is nice but if you try to swing a a heavy "player's" frame like that the ball is going straight into the net.
Antontoo 3 years ago
it works. The boys in Michigan would use the classic frames such as the Wilson 6.1 tour, the babolats. The heavier frame just needs more acceleration
hi10spro 3 years ago
My backhand is better because the double hands backhand is powerful for me
amoreperfectunion 3 years ago
but as you move wide, your reach is shorter...so what do you do?
hi10spro 3 years ago
If you are forced wide, you either slice it, or cut off the angle and put a priority on good footwork.
Oreoclan 2 years ago
footwork is a toughy
hi10spro 2 years ago
To learn how to do a forehand simply watch:
FERNANDO GONZALEZ or Olympic gold medalist NICOLAS MASSU
play for 10 minutes
mmike01 3 years ago
or ya know federer just might be a good one.
gbsons 3 years ago
old school forehand is eastern buddy, nice try
crazylittlekid 3 years ago 2
Actually hi10spro is right. Eastern "GRIP" IS oldschool, but whoever said that semiwestern ISN'T oldschool?
Here's the deal! It has nothing to do with the GRIP that determines whther or not a SW grip forehand is old or new! It has to do with the SWINGPATH and pronation (experts in the tennis community call that swiping pronation the "windshield wiper"!).
So a semiwestern grip can be either old OR newskewl! It all depends on the swingpah, motion, and followthrough.
bosman46 3 years ago
can i ask, what racquet do you use?
zeleboy 3 years ago
Wilson Ncode 3, but I'm switching to the K Zen 105 head
hi10spro 3 years ago
follow through over your shoulder though...it will help
gaberox94 3 years ago 2
thanks for the videos man..
virginianq8 3 years ago
that was a good tip, how old are u btw and wen did u start playing, i just started recently so im kidna curious
Mrmagiccity27 3 years ago
38 now, but I started late--13? the summer after the eighth grade
hi10spro 3 years ago
The fan motion on the backswing of your forehand isn't good because while it does produce more topspin, you'll end up hitting alot of balls into the net because you need a higher follow through. And the fanning motion would put more stress on you elbow anyways...
strom4015 3 years ago
it puts tremendous stress on your elbow, your forearm, and wrist but it does create mad acceleration and pace
hi10spro 3 years ago
why are you catching your racquet? your actually slowing it down through the contact point because of this. what player today catches the racquet with their left hand? and semi western is not an old scoool grip. i think your thinking of eastern forehand grip.
hajduk19111 3 years ago
you know you're right about the catching thing. I didn't notice that. thanks. you seen hancock? good job
hi10spro 3 years ago