@raik747 I remember it's maximum speed being asked to the pilot during a question and answer session after the EAA Airventure in 2010. The answer was: "I'm sorry, that's classified, I can't tell you that information." idk where you got your answer from.
To end all arguments (hopefully) I was there. This pass was no where near anything supersonic. If it was, it would also be illegal. Unless they have a special permit (they didnt) under 10,000 feet, there is a "speed limit" of 250 kts. Therefore, he was likely going in the 225 kts range. As for the vapor cone, look at the weather. There was a large storm rolling in. Humidity was high and that enabled the cone at slower speeds. Go ahead. Argue with that
@caseystewart1 Argue witth that he says!!! First off, they did have a permit...It's called "the military". Military aircraft can go as fast at any altitude that they deem necessary. Of course, there are "regulations" on what can be deemed necessary. All airshows with military aircraft (meaning every single one, no exceptions) have a "special permit", as you call it. So it is possible that this video shows nearly-sonic flight. My gun is cocked and loaded, so respond, if you dare....
@caseystewart1 im not trying to argue so sorry, but if its humid and he is below 10,000 feet the speed of sound is faster, so it would take a higher speed for a cone to appear, but i dont believe he is going close to mach 1 anyway
you're all retarded. That "cone" you see is actually the time-space continuum he's about to break. Any faster (since he's doing 99 mach) and he'd go back in time.
This is an old video that has been digitally enhanced. And it is absolutely right in the transonic region (~0.99 mach). The condensation breaking around the plane in a pulsing conical manner (not longitudinally along the fuselage) right at the very end is a dead giveaway. It is indeed a Prandtl-Glauert singularity. Whoever says it isn't doesn't know what he's talking about.
About two years ago here in Orange county i was on the crapper and the front window started rattling like a bitch, though it was an earthquake to find out on the news a couple of days later a navy pilot went supersonic somewhere off the coast...
3D or unmanned STV rejection talk may cost some their program and job: E.g., the LAVI fighter. The 1st in aviation history flights of Stealth, Tailless 3D Vectoring [STV] with mini aero-control, stealth inlets/wing-body design took place in Israel in 1987 [May 18, 1987, Av. Week]. Facebook video ["Benjamin Gal-Or"] explains super agility/high-kill-ratio & TO/Land/Battle safety gained by STV. EF, F35/F22 are not STV while unmanned NGB or ? may. Cf. X-44MANTA, X-47b, RQ-170, T-50, B-2, FB-22.
Their is no way this jet is even coming close to mach 1. For one you can hear engines while he's on approach and during as he passes. When a fighter pilot gets close to mach 1 you have a few second delay in seeing the jet and then hearing the engine, by the time you hear the engine the jet as already passed.
@aidler2 a vapor cone- prandt glauert singularity has absolutely nothing to do with breaking the sound barrier, it occurs when there is a sudden drop in air pressure at the nose or rear of the jet, especiall in humid conditions or when the pilot does a sharp turn. this was not close to mach speeds either and if it was .99 mach u would hear it and sound arrive together
@mmbbz The Raptor in this film is absolutely in the transonic region - and that vapor cone appearing at the very end is a perfectly obvious demonstration of a Prandtl-Glauert singularity. Why deny it when it is perfectly obvious? Yes, P-G S's can occur at other times, but this is not one of them...
@mmbbz when flying straight, the Prandtl-Glauert singularity only has a chance to show when approaching the speed of sound (min ~Mach .8). While I doubt it was Mach .99, it was definitely a transonic flight.
@mmbbz I've no idea how you can say that an area of physics which focuses on air pressures at different mach speeds has nothing to do with breaking the sound barrier.
@mmbbz The Prandtl-Glauert singularity specifically has to do with transonic speeds. It is caused by the extreme atmospheric conditions of the near infinite pressure created by the aircraft approaching the sound barrier. And that was a Prandtl-Glauert singularity towards the end.
@aidler2 The vapor is caused by changing pressure in the air and pressure changes on the wings! It's called condensation that you are seeing same way a cloud forms! Jets do not need to be breaking the sound barrier to achieve vapor around or behind the jet! Prop planes do it and they don't even come close to mach 1! Talk to fighter pilot and you will have a better understanding!
@67mustangblue you are totally correct and it really bugs me when people think you need to break the sound barrier to see a vapor cloud, I've seen them coming off of commercial jumbo jets during takeoff when they are probably only doing around 200 knots. it has nothing to do with the sound barrier, it has to do with water vapor in the air and sudden changes in air pressure caused by the aircrafts wings or fusilage. for that matter I've seen vapor clouds on sports cars driving in wet weather
@67mustangblue actually thats not truw, i work on f15['s and if they are not it mach the sound will pretty much stay with the plane, he is close right there but no cigar, i cant really tell how close but he was humming, until he breaks mach the sound wont be behind him
@67mustangblue Good Call! My guess is around 650-700 Mph! Which is what they max out at during most airshows...On that note I think the US Navy Blue Angels come the closest with their high speed sneak passes
@jukio02 no, the sonic boom is the aircraft surpassing the speed of sound which results in a boom, what you see here is a vapor comb, coming from the moisture in the air.
@67mustangblue Hmm... not so sure about that. Look at the air "condensing" around the jet at around 0:07 on. That only happens when the airflow around the jet comes close to the transsonic due to the start of a pressure spike (or the beginnings of a singularity as was stated earlier). Its definitely not supersonic, but it is transsonic, therefore you should see that cone start to form.
If you check out the pics of the F-18 in transsonic flight, that should give you a perfect example.
If any of you idiots had actually read the details about the test scenario they used between the F-35s and Sukhois, you'd find that it was set up to have the F-35s almost out of fuel by the time they got to the engagement zone and heavily outnumbered to simulate an overwhelming force in the Pacific theater.
There is no question that the F-35 is the better plane. And for the joker who compared it's maneuverability to an F-4...it's one thing to be controversial, quite another to be clueless.
There is no way he could use supercruise at this altitude. His maximum speed even with afterburners at this altitude is around 1.400Km/h . Also the F-35 maneuverability is compared to the F-4 Phantom which is a 50 year old plane. The Su-27 still remains the most maneuverable plane to date.
@oldfrend exactly you said nothing . You just played it like a "know-it all". And yes what I said is correct. The Su-27 Series planes are the most maneuverable operational fighters to date AND while flying at low altitude the maximum speed is reduced drastically for many reasons. I can't see why you wouldn't agree with both of them.
@ANimouz The Su-27 is a very maneuverable jet for it's time but, the FA22 Raptor has surpassed it in terms maneuverability, speed, and fuel consumption! (fact)
Supercruise at M1.7 without the use of afterburners. I doubt the pilot actually cut the throttle as he's more than likely using autothrottle set at subsonic speed below M1.0. One probable cause for this condensation is that the plane hit some slight turbulence which the flight computer automatically compensates for which in turn put some load on the wing temporarily causing the vapor cloud you see.
@scoop2004 Do you not see the cone forming around the F-22? That means he was literally 10 mph from breaking sound barrier...... if not closer then that....
@bigbob6556 INCORRECT, the vapour also forms at lower speeds depending on atmospheric conditions (look at the leading edge of the wing of an airliner next time you take off on your hols, they often get huge vapour clouds forming there)
The F22 in this video is going a lot less than mach 0.99
@MadMilitiaMen actually the F-22s and F-35s lost for su-27s, su-30s and su-35s in a simulated CLOSE combat (Pacific Vision Exercise in visual combat) in 2008 if i'm not wrong, and some frustrating critics was released about those two fighters. The best fighter among the team of F-22s was the F-18 I believe. Not trying to be a hater, but it's just some facs here. I like pretty much the F-22 tho, I'm here for the video.
@Addicted4Flying i rather not be a hater either but i think your confusing your aircraft. The F-35 could not have been defeated in combat as it has not even entered production yet. You might be thinking of the F-15 defeat from Su-27s.
@MadMilitiaMen The critics were talking about the F-35s too. Double inferiority on climb, turn and acceleration were stated when compared with the sukhois. This report were also in a documentary in the same pedriod. Also have it reviewed by some australian defence minister of something, as their were interested in buying some F-35s once it would be available.
@Addicted4Flying Of course the Sukhois beat out the F-35, the plane was intended to be a multirole aircraft instead of a pure Fighter, and as a result is much heavier to hold the munitions and fuel, Also what you failed to mention was that these performance figures also used the Sikhois in a 'dry" state (no external weapons) Because the F-35 carrires its weapons internally, when both planes are fully loaded the figures come to match one another closely.
@MadMilitiaMen The test was realised with no extra playload on F-35s .Also, US military, was stated that the A-10 is still far superior to F-35s,which are too fast and too light to peform air to ground op. That's the situation is holding the F-35 down. Also it's facing a design issue (wing spam and wing area) which is the problem of manouverability that ended up of a rampage from the Sukhois team.It wasn't suposed to be as vunerable as it actualy is.I Hope for the best tho.
@Addicted4Flying Its a new design, its going to have bugs to work out, the engine is a marvel of Engineering and even with its bulk it still produces a higher thrust to weight ratio over the Sukhois. Give it a while and it will be sorted out.
What you are seeing is the AC reaching it's critical mach number. This is not mach. Critical mach number is when parts of the aircraft (usually canopy) produce an airflow over it that is supersonic, but the aircraft isn't yet.
@intrepid491 lol dude your an idiot i've seen planes break the sound barrier, which you obviously haven't, and you can most definitley follow them with a camera. it's not like the speed of light or anything its fast but not so fast that it looks like a blur. please dont be such a stupid ignorant fuck next time you post. thnks.
@skateboy159 dude check F-22 wiki page about the 6th photo down you'll see F-22 doing Transonic fly-by not super sonic, the condensation cone made it look like the F-22 was supersonic
FAR and Airforce regulation on going supersonic are difference but they will not brake mach at low altitude
p.s. Wiki is a good place to start but not a last place to stop
@nas1149d0363j i think it does hit hit mach 1 as thers clearly 2 shockwaves, one for nose nd one at tail. it looks like a shock wave... but what are these condensation cones you talked about? the visible white cloud is density change if its a shockwave.
@RaviB187 dude the density doesn't change, pressure and temperature change; think of gas law Pv = nRT; v, n, and R are constant per gas composition (perfect gas); i agree that when air with high humidity pass through adverse pressure gradient it form cloud (vapor, condensation) but to say it only happen during super sonic
see this video 'F-14 Tomcat with Excellent Condensation & Contrails from 1991 Show' during 1:10 -1:14 and 1:46-1:47
@nas1149d0363j on the f14 thats just seperation on the top edge, condensation trails i think only occur out of jet engines that u see across the sky at high altitude. i guess it could be possible that the f22 didnt hit mach1 if it was just seperation of flow over wing. but if it did hit mach1 then the cloud is DEFINATELY DENSITY change. the equations are much much more complex than pv=nrt. im studying aeronautical eng and i guarantee that a shockwave causes this visible density change.
Ravi - explain to everyone why Mach number changes at altitude. Also, why would a Cessna 172 have to reach 500+ knots on takeoff to rotate if Bernoulli was correct?
You can see the cloud flashes at well below Mach. Think about why you see them on a humid day over a low water pass.
Re. this F22, read up on airshow regulations in the US. Not close.
Let's just hope Obama does not cancel the entire military. He wants our guys to use spears.
@TheMiseryGuts mach = vel / (gamma x R x T)^0.5 where gamma is 1.4 for air (ratios of specific heat capacities), R=287 for air and T is temp... assuming air is hotter on the ground than at altitude the whole bottom expression gets smaller and hence for mach =1 then velocity needed decreases. by Bernoulli i assume you mean p0 = p(static) + 0.5 x rho x v^2 or do u mean the simplified bernoulis principle that flow goes faster over top of wing as it has longer to travel (which is incorrect i know)
@wellerocks what i was refering to is the thermodynamics theory for it, which is what is actually happening. but in practice not all the variables for the equations can be found by measurements on an aircraft, so a standard atmosphere model is used as reference for these missing bits of info i think (so it can be simplified while still being fairly accurate), not sure about this though
@RaviB187 Sorry, meant to say According to the JAA CPL course,
Mach No = TAS / (38.95 * √(OAT expressed in degrees of Kelvin))
Or you could use my favorite tool, the Jeppesen Navigation Computer. It can seriously solve just about anything. A sonic boom isn't that dangerous though. They've tried it at various shows, Mythbusters being one of them.
@RaviB187 Sorry, meant to say According to the JAA CPL course,
Mach No = TAS / (38.95 * √(OAT expressed in degrees of Kelvin)
Or you could use my favorite tool, the Jeppesen Navigation Computer. It can seriously solve just about anything. A sonic boom isn't that dangerous though. They've tried it at various shows, Mythbusters being one of them.
I didnt know you can drive planes!!! Yes you can break a window. how many times do you see fighters flying 100 feet hitting mach 1 over houses? NONE damn idiots
Actually, if you watch the mythbusters episode, it's very unlikely that a window will shatter. The jet would have to be low, aimed directly at the building, while travelling at least Mach 1 to do any real damage. Keep in mind that a sonic boom is just a pressure wave, which decreases in intensity with distance.
You don't see them flying over residential areas at supersonic speeds because of "possible damage". Though, it's mainly to avoid causing people stress due to loud, unexpected, noises.
@kieliobow Here in Finland F18's occasionally break windows when they are in a hurry to identify and intercept aircrafts. Our summer house is also a somekind of fighter jet magnet for a some reason, the windows clink quite nicely when they fly by, but no shattered windows (yet).
@kieliobow thats true, but ive personally seen a window break from a mig-29s sonic boom, largerly do to the fact that the the window was large n the shockwave moved it around a lil too much.
That is true, its the sheer volume and frequency of the sound that will do it. The only reason the sonic boom is dangerous is becuase you go from silence to immense volume in an instant when the high speed object 'in this case a jet' goes from being in front of you to being behind you.
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IF the 22 or any jet for that matter which can go at least 1 mach ( speed of sound) and broke the sound barrier, some people would die. the shock wave that it gives off is so loud, so powerful, it can be "heart stopping".
couldnt imagine 2.5 times the speed of sound. 1400+ mph fast enough?
It wouldn't kill people they go mach 1+ around people at the RAG and bases sometimes the problem is it can break windows which is what they worry about but it wont kill anyone
@nblracer880 Dude watch carefully at 0:07 and you will see same thing around this black thing as you can see around F-22 that means that camera is bad! And I have seen MiG-29 going .99 mach that was fast this is turbo slow for that! My opinion this F-22 goes around 500 km/h.
@lzjwhu Its true. my dad works on an aircraft carrier. and he says some people are killed during the breaking of the sound barrier because of its sonic boom! hes the reality. one time, one of the windows shattered into pieces on the tower.
@darogers125 actually f22 do not have afterburners... they have a new technology called super cruise. this is kinda afterburners but not completely. it helps fuel consumption low and visibility low. but all in all f22 do not need or have afterburners.
@coolkid1446 No. I got to go onto Langley AFB a few years ago and go right up to some F-22s. They don't have them in great numbers yet, but they are certainly being used.
Yeah they probably cut back on the supersonic thing when everyone in LA was bitching about mysterious sonic booms in the middle of the night during the late '80s, heh.
that was slow as shit not even close to mach .99. i saw an F-16 at the guard base in sioux city a couple months ago going faster than this and he wasn't even close to mach.99. it doesn't look like the afterburners are lit
There is no way of knowing how fast it is going unless they told him at the air show. Which they sometimes do.
Brandonbigone87 1 month ago
Mach 2.5 actually and most tech that worked on it say it is more but classified!
Brandonbigone87 1 month ago
Thats 400 knots max. But i probably not even that much.
joeympower 3 months ago
ya that's not no 0.99 0.99 you wouldn't even hear him coming.
Dogmeat1950 4 months ago
56 are commies and their dicks are the size of the 'likes/dislikes' bar.
IauthenticI 5 months ago
doesnt look like mach 1 at all!!!
TheInGenCO 5 months ago
lol this plane goes upto mach 2
MinecraftTvWeekly 5 months ago
@MinecraftTvWeekly yeah we know. he didn't say the top speed fool.
yoyoyoyoshua 4 months ago
ill like it when it goes super sonic thx bai :/
MegaBluemuffin 7 months ago
I grew up around Kingsley Field so I've heard my share of Sonic Booms. But how is it that they are destructive?
bRadicalmagic1 7 months ago
@bRadicalmagic1 at that altitude it is....
cameronwick 5 months ago
@bRadicalmagic1 its not just a sound its a pressure wave.
hazzaisdabombage 5 months ago
this pass is more like 500-600kts. Hardly a mach hugging pass.
Tarten46 7 months ago
49 people can suck my american balls
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The f22 was built using Chuck Norris blood mixed into molten steel
war3hog1337 7 months ago
Doesn't seem like mach .99
ezfishfinder 8 months ago
its maxim speed is 2.5 match
raik747 9 months ago
@raik747 I remember it's maximum speed being asked to the pilot during a question and answer session after the EAA Airventure in 2010. The answer was: "I'm sorry, that's classified, I can't tell you that information." idk where you got your answer from.
OneSkiWonder 9 months ago
@raik747 it's maximum speed is classified, people estimate it at 2.5
jaywolflover 8 months ago
Definitely not .99 mach, maybe .65
xcoreinmolinex 9 months ago
.99 eh? So you were the one flying it?
asystole599 10 months ago
Nowhere near mach one
TIMOTHYSAARINEN 10 months ago
The Raptor Demo makes its pass at .94 mach. Hope that helps clear it up.
checksixx 10 months ago
To end all arguments (hopefully) I was there. This pass was no where near anything supersonic. If it was, it would also be illegal. Unless they have a special permit (they didnt) under 10,000 feet, there is a "speed limit" of 250 kts. Therefore, he was likely going in the 225 kts range. As for the vapor cone, look at the weather. There was a large storm rolling in. Humidity was high and that enabled the cone at slower speeds. Go ahead. Argue with that
caseystewart1 11 months ago
@caseystewart1 Argue witth that he says!!! First off, they did have a permit...It's called "the military". Military aircraft can go as fast at any altitude that they deem necessary. Of course, there are "regulations" on what can be deemed necessary. All airshows with military aircraft (meaning every single one, no exceptions) have a "special permit", as you call it. So it is possible that this video shows nearly-sonic flight. My gun is cocked and loaded, so respond, if you dare....
cap10moman 9 months ago
@cap10moman Ha ha. I didnt know that so thank you for the info. Yes, i did dare
caseystewart1 9 months ago
@caseystewart1 im not trying to argue so sorry, but if its humid and he is below 10,000 feet the speed of sound is faster, so it would take a higher speed for a cone to appear, but i dont believe he is going close to mach 1 anyway
jaywolflover 8 months ago
misleading title
proaudiohd 11 months ago
you're all retarded. That "cone" you see is actually the time-space continuum he's about to break. Any faster (since he's doing 99 mach) and he'd go back in time.
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tdog581 11 months ago
This is an old video that has been digitally enhanced. And it is absolutely right in the transonic region (~0.99 mach). The condensation breaking around the plane in a pulsing conical manner (not longitudinally along the fuselage) right at the very end is a dead giveaway. It is indeed a Prandtl-Glauert singularity. Whoever says it isn't doesn't know what he's talking about.
beeroosterm 1 year ago
Yea I agree with 67. Maybe going 400 kts.
fallguy747 1 year ago
About two years ago here in Orange county i was on the crapper and the front window started rattling like a bitch, though it was an earthquake to find out on the news a couple of days later a navy pilot went supersonic somewhere off the coast...
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1Bengalor 1 year ago
dats not close to mach its called plane flying through clouds
AF1KingKid 1 year ago
Gotta love that supercruise.
eagle275 1 year ago
Their is no way this jet is even coming close to mach 1. For one you can hear engines while he's on approach and during as he passes. When a fighter pilot gets close to mach 1 you have a few second delay in seeing the jet and then hearing the engine, by the time you hear the engine the jet as already passed.
67mustangblue 1 year ago 77
@67mustangblue no, when a pilot is above mach one, then you have a delay
mrfrankincense 1 year ago
@67mustangblue Explain the vapor formation around the aircraft after it passes then.
aidler2 1 year ago
@aidler2 a vapor cone- prandt glauert singularity has absolutely nothing to do with breaking the sound barrier, it occurs when there is a sudden drop in air pressure at the nose or rear of the jet, especiall in humid conditions or when the pilot does a sharp turn. this was not close to mach speeds either and if it was .99 mach u would hear it and sound arrive together
mmbbz 1 year ago 22
@mmbbz The Raptor in this film is absolutely in the transonic region - and that vapor cone appearing at the very end is a perfectly obvious demonstration of a Prandtl-Glauert singularity. Why deny it when it is perfectly obvious? Yes, P-G S's can occur at other times, but this is not one of them...
beeroosterm 1 year ago
@mmbbz when flying straight, the Prandtl-Glauert singularity only has a chance to show when approaching the speed of sound (min ~Mach .8). While I doubt it was Mach .99, it was definitely a transonic flight.
nexus1g 11 months ago
@mmbbz i agree, i saw a bus make one and i was going just as fast.
datzfast 8 months ago
@mmbbz I've no idea how you can say that an area of physics which focuses on air pressures at different mach speeds has nothing to do with breaking the sound barrier.
smeghead666 7 months ago
@mmbbz The Prandtl-Glauert singularity specifically has to do with transonic speeds. It is caused by the extreme atmospheric conditions of the near infinite pressure created by the aircraft approaching the sound barrier. And that was a Prandtl-Glauert singularity towards the end.
nexus1g 4 months ago
@aidler2 The vapor is caused by changing pressure in the air and pressure changes on the wings! It's called condensation that you are seeing same way a cloud forms! Jets do not need to be breaking the sound barrier to achieve vapor around or behind the jet! Prop planes do it and they don't even come close to mach 1! Talk to fighter pilot and you will have a better understanding!
67mustangblue 1 year ago
@67mustangblue you are totally correct and it really bugs me when people think you need to break the sound barrier to see a vapor cloud, I've seen them coming off of commercial jumbo jets during takeoff when they are probably only doing around 200 knots. it has nothing to do with the sound barrier, it has to do with water vapor in the air and sudden changes in air pressure caused by the aircrafts wings or fusilage. for that matter I've seen vapor clouds on sports cars driving in wet weather
Knightfang1 1 year ago
@aidler2
67mustangblue 1 year ago
@67mustangblue actually thats not truw, i work on f15['s and if they are not it mach the sound will pretty much stay with the plane, he is close right there but no cigar, i cant really tell how close but he was humming, until he breaks mach the sound wont be behind him
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cgarvey421 1 year ago
@67mustangblue Good Call! My guess is around 650-700 Mph! Which is what they max out at during most airshows...On that note I think the US Navy Blue Angels come the closest with their high speed sneak passes
cgarvey421 1 year ago
@67mustangblue If you didn't notice the vapor cone it produced almost a second before the video ended,,, thats breaking the barrior.....
djc4n 1 year ago
@67mustangblue dont forget about the sonic boom
jukio02 1 year ago
@jukio02 its a vapor comb, nothing to do with the sound barrier
armydude162 11 months ago
@armydude162 then whats the sound that u hear once the jet travels faster than the speed of sound?
jukio02 11 months ago
@jukio02 no, the sonic boom is the aircraft surpassing the speed of sound which results in a boom, what you see here is a vapor comb, coming from the moisture in the air.
armydude162 11 months ago
@67mustangblue Hmm... not so sure about that. Look at the air "condensing" around the jet at around 0:07 on. That only happens when the airflow around the jet comes close to the transsonic due to the start of a pressure spike (or the beginnings of a singularity as was stated earlier). Its definitely not supersonic, but it is transsonic, therefore you should see that cone start to form.
If you check out the pics of the F-18 in transsonic flight, that should give you a perfect example.
timsk 11 months ago
@67mustangblue when it's .99 mach and that low you will hear it coming and the sounds won't be very far at all from it
jaywolflover 8 months ago
@67mustangblue when it's .99 mach and that low you will hear it coming and the sound won't be very far at all from it
jaywolflover 8 months ago
@67mustangblue after he passed you can see a vapor cone..how do you explain that?
bonspeeds 7 months ago
@67mustangblue Transonic speeds to not prevent you from hearing the aircraft prior to its being next to you. Supersonic speeds do that.
nexus1g 4 months ago
If any of you idiots had actually read the details about the test scenario they used between the F-35s and Sukhois, you'd find that it was set up to have the F-35s almost out of fuel by the time they got to the engagement zone and heavily outnumbered to simulate an overwhelming force in the Pacific theater.
There is no question that the F-35 is the better plane. And for the joker who compared it's maneuverability to an F-4...it's one thing to be controversial, quite another to be clueless.
Republican4Jayzuz 1 year ago
There is no way he could use supercruise at this altitude. His maximum speed even with afterburners at this altitude is around 1.400Km/h . Also the F-35 maneuverability is compared to the F-4 Phantom which is a 50 year old plane. The Su-27 still remains the most maneuverable plane to date.
ANimouz 1 year ago
@ANimouz uh... you're an idiot. there's just no other way to effectively characterize your statements in less than 500 characters.
oldfrend 1 year ago
@oldfrend retards who reply with one liners are instantly ignored. Just to let you know.
ANimouz 1 year ago
@ANimouz doesn't make you any less wrong. but i'm glad you'd rather be ignorant and wrong than maybe learn something.
oldfrend 1 year ago
@oldfrend exactly you said nothing . You just played it like a "know-it all". And yes what I said is correct. The Su-27 Series planes are the most maneuverable operational fighters to date AND while flying at low altitude the maximum speed is reduced drastically for many reasons. I can't see why you wouldn't agree with both of them.
ANimouz 1 year ago
@ANimouz The Su-27 is a very maneuverable jet for it's time but, the FA22 Raptor has surpassed it in terms maneuverability, speed, and fuel consumption! (fact)
67mustangblue 11 months ago
@67mustangblue theres no F/A-22
WickedrWil 11 months ago
i love this plane and isn't it illegal for any pilot to break the sound barrier over land or residential areas
TheCasualTim 1 year ago
Supercruise at M1.7 without the use of afterburners. I doubt the pilot actually cut the throttle as he's more than likely using autothrottle set at subsonic speed below M1.0. One probable cause for this condensation is that the plane hit some slight turbulence which the flight computer automatically compensates for which in turn put some load on the wing temporarily causing the vapor cloud you see.
33vortex 1 year ago
barely touching the throttle :)
ImportKilla89 1 year ago
thats not .99, no way
scoop2004 1 year ago
@scoop2004 Do you not see the cone forming around the F-22? That means he was literally 10 mph from breaking sound barrier...... if not closer then that....
bigbob6556 1 year ago
@bigbob6556 INCORRECT, the vapour also forms at lower speeds depending on atmospheric conditions (look at the leading edge of the wing of an airliner next time you take off on your hols, they often get huge vapour clouds forming there)
The F22 in this video is going a lot less than mach 0.99
scoop2004 1 year ago
Dodge challenger freedom
MadMilitiaMen 1 year ago
I'm f22raptor
f22raptor64 1 year ago
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so your over rated you have a fat belly ?
grumm70 1 year ago
@grumm70 why is there always a krumpet muncher coming onto a video about the
F-22 and talking garbage. Want to talk about over rated, your Eurofighter was outdid by indian Su-30MKIs
MadMilitiaMen 1 year ago
@MadMilitiaMen actually the F-22s and F-35s lost for su-27s, su-30s and su-35s in a simulated CLOSE combat (Pacific Vision Exercise in visual combat) in 2008 if i'm not wrong, and some frustrating critics was released about those two fighters. The best fighter among the team of F-22s was the F-18 I believe. Not trying to be a hater, but it's just some facs here. I like pretty much the F-22 tho, I'm here for the video.
Addicted4Flying 1 year ago
@Addicted4Flying i rather not be a hater either but i think your confusing your aircraft. The F-35 could not have been defeated in combat as it has not even entered production yet. You might be thinking of the F-15 defeat from Su-27s.
MadMilitiaMen 1 year ago
@MadMilitiaMen The critics were talking about the F-35s too. Double inferiority on climb, turn and acceleration were stated when compared with the sukhois. This report were also in a documentary in the same pedriod. Also have it reviewed by some australian defence minister of something, as their were interested in buying some F-35s once it would be available.
Addicted4Flying 1 year ago
@Addicted4Flying Of course the Sukhois beat out the F-35, the plane was intended to be a multirole aircraft instead of a pure Fighter, and as a result is much heavier to hold the munitions and fuel, Also what you failed to mention was that these performance figures also used the Sikhois in a 'dry" state (no external weapons) Because the F-35 carrires its weapons internally, when both planes are fully loaded the figures come to match one another closely.
MadMilitiaMen 1 year ago
@MadMilitiaMen The test was realised with no extra playload on F-35s .Also, US military, was stated that the A-10 is still far superior to F-35s,which are too fast and too light to peform air to ground op. That's the situation is holding the F-35 down. Also it's facing a design issue (wing spam and wing area) which is the problem of manouverability that ended up of a rampage from the Sukhois team.It wasn't suposed to be as vunerable as it actualy is.I Hope for the best tho.
Addicted4Flying 1 year ago
@Addicted4Flying Its a new design, its going to have bugs to work out, the engine is a marvel of Engineering and even with its bulk it still produces a higher thrust to weight ratio over the Sukhois. Give it a while and it will be sorted out.
MadMilitiaMen 1 year ago
berkut´s prey. Lunch of the golden eagle
Ravenlord79 1 year ago
it breaks sounds speed at 8sec in this vid
MRxSM33 1 year ago
@MRxSM33 it doesn't break the sound barrier
yoyoyoyoshua 1 year ago
@yoyoyoyoshua who said it did the title says .99
f22cool 1 year ago
@f22cool who says what
yoyoyoyoshua 1 year ago
@yoyoyoyoshua THE TITLE SAYS .99 YOU HAVE TO GET 1.00 TO BREAK THE SOUND BARRIER THAT WAS SLIGHTLY UNDER
f22cool 1 year ago
if you fly jetts hit me i wanna fly plz
skully393 1 year ago
only if they would have broke the sound barrier. only mach .01 faster damn...
taylor1hp 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT,online argument,oh well as they say,just like the special Olympics even if you win you're still a retard
princecthulhu 1 year ago
What you are seeing is the AC reaching it's critical mach number. This is not mach. Critical mach number is when parts of the aircraft (usually canopy) produce an airflow over it that is supersonic, but the aircraft isn't yet.
phidelt08 1 year ago
@phidelt08
Top of the wing is usually first - i.e. a supercritical airfoil design which minimizes airflow speed as far back as possible on the top surface.
TheMiseryGuts 1 year ago
@intrepid491 lol dude your an idiot i've seen planes break the sound barrier, which you obviously haven't, and you can most definitley follow them with a camera. it's not like the speed of light or anything its fast but not so fast that it looks like a blur. please dont be such a stupid ignorant fuck next time you post. thnks.
johnr1031 1 year ago
bom video
rafa6694 1 year ago
Dude .99 mach! it was just a high speed fly-by
if it brake mach or come close to at that altitude everyone at that airshow would be f-ing dead
nas1149d0363j 1 year ago
@nas1149d0363j they wouldnt be dead just maybe ears bleeding
skateboy159 1 year ago
@skateboy159
dude the pressure difference between the front of and behind standing shockwave at sea level is very high
it just like standing close to an explosion w/o fragment, the pressure difference will stop the heart
nas1149d0363j 1 year ago
@nas1149d0363j maybe with older people but i seen videos of supersonic f14 go past people like 50-100 feet away
skateboy159 1 year ago
@skateboy159 dude check F-22 wiki page about the 6th photo down you'll see F-22 doing Transonic fly-by not super sonic, the condensation cone made it look like the F-22 was supersonic
FAR and Airforce regulation on going supersonic are difference but they will not brake mach at low altitude
p.s. Wiki is a good place to start but not a last place to stop
nas1149d0363j 1 year ago
@nas1149d0363j i know that wasnt supersonic
skateboy159 1 year ago
@nas1149d0363j i think it does hit hit mach 1 as thers clearly 2 shockwaves, one for nose nd one at tail. it looks like a shock wave... but what are these condensation cones you talked about? the visible white cloud is density change if its a shockwave.
RaviB187 1 year ago
@RaviB187 dude the density doesn't change, pressure and temperature change; think of gas law Pv = nRT; v, n, and R are constant per gas composition (perfect gas); i agree that when air with high humidity pass through adverse pressure gradient it form cloud (vapor, condensation) but to say it only happen during super sonic
see this video 'F-14 Tomcat with Excellent Condensation & Contrails from 1991 Show' during 1:10 -1:14 and 1:46-1:47
nas1149d0363j 1 year ago
@nas1149d0363j on the f14 thats just seperation on the top edge, condensation trails i think only occur out of jet engines that u see across the sky at high altitude. i guess it could be possible that the f22 didnt hit mach1 if it was just seperation of flow over wing. but if it did hit mach1 then the cloud is DEFINATELY DENSITY change. the equations are much much more complex than pv=nrt. im studying aeronautical eng and i guarantee that a shockwave causes this visible density change.
RaviB187 1 year ago
@RaviB187
Ravi - explain to everyone why Mach number changes at altitude. Also, why would a Cessna 172 have to reach 500+ knots on takeoff to rotate if Bernoulli was correct?
You can see the cloud flashes at well below Mach. Think about why you see them on a humid day over a low water pass.
Re. this F22, read up on airshow regulations in the US. Not close.
Let's just hope Obama does not cancel the entire military. He wants our guys to use spears.
TheMiseryGuts 1 year ago
@TheMiseryGuts mach = vel / (gamma x R x T)^0.5 where gamma is 1.4 for air (ratios of specific heat capacities), R=287 for air and T is temp... assuming air is hotter on the ground than at altitude the whole bottom expression gets smaller and hence for mach =1 then velocity needed decreases. by Bernoulli i assume you mean p0 = p(static) + 0.5 x rho x v^2 or do u mean the simplified bernoulis principle that flow goes faster over top of wing as it has longer to travel (which is incorrect i know)
RaviB187 1 year ago
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wellerocks 1 year ago
@wellerocks what i was refering to is the thermodynamics theory for it, which is what is actually happening. but in practice not all the variables for the equations can be found by measurements on an aircraft, so a standard atmosphere model is used as reference for these missing bits of info i think (so it can be simplified while still being fairly accurate), not sure about this though
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wellerocks 1 year ago
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@RaviB187 Sorry, meant to say According to the JAA CPL course,
Mach No = TAS / (38.95 * √(OAT expressed in degrees of Kelvin))
Or you could use my favorite tool, the Jeppesen Navigation Computer. It can seriously solve just about anything. A sonic boom isn't that dangerous though. They've tried it at various shows, Mythbusters being one of them.
wellerocks 1 year ago
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@RaviB187 Sorry, meant to say According to the JAA CPL course,
Mach No = TAS / (38.95 * √(OAT expressed in degrees of Kelvin)
Or you could use my favorite tool, the Jeppesen Navigation Computer. It can seriously solve just about anything. A sonic boom isn't that dangerous though. They've tried it at various shows, Mythbusters being one of them.
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yoyoyoyoshua 1 year ago
@nas1149d0363j WRONG.
phidelt08 1 year ago
@phidelt08 OK thank for the info
nas1149d0363j 1 year ago
Not even close to .99 mach. Given the acoustic signature, probably closer to .9.
swamper777 1 year ago
F-22 cruises at mach 1.5 with only 80% throttle...0.99 is a walk in the park!
randomdude10010 1 year ago
Тhis is typical name fail.
marintoss 1 year ago
T0m0thy, Aircraft carriers would be abit stronger then a house, wouldn't u think?
Mrhanzax 2 years ago
@Mrhanzax Of course they are, but the people on them aren't.
T0m0thy 1 year ago
F111 fly by ,destroys building with sonic boom check it out
trav1971 2 years ago
please don't spread lies trav1971
tigerswede3 1 year ago
I didnt know you can drive planes!!! Yes you can break a window. how many times do you see fighters flying 100 feet hitting mach 1 over houses? NONE damn idiots
ubernoob77 2 years ago
Actually, if you watch the mythbusters episode, it's very unlikely that a window will shatter. The jet would have to be low, aimed directly at the building, while travelling at least Mach 1 to do any real damage. Keep in mind that a sonic boom is just a pressure wave, which decreases in intensity with distance.
You don't see them flying over residential areas at supersonic speeds because of "possible damage". Though, it's mainly to avoid causing people stress due to loud, unexpected, noises.
kieliobow 2 years ago 6
@kieliobow
Also increases with the size of the aircraft. Had Mythbuster done that with a B1 or Concord it woud have most likely flattened the building.
criskeys 2 years ago
@kieliobow Here in Finland F18's occasionally break windows when they are in a hurry to identify and intercept aircrafts. Our summer house is also a somekind of fighter jet magnet for a some reason, the windows clink quite nicely when they fly by, but no shattered windows (yet).
v4rt1g0 1 year ago
@kieliobow thats true, but ive personally seen a window break from a mig-29s sonic boom, largerly do to the fact that the the window was large n the shockwave moved it around a lil too much.
hankush10 1 year ago
Well 1 obviously or that vid wouldnt be like that eh?
Dragon22873 2 years ago
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I used to drive a plane in the army
Hounsfield 2 years ago
Sonic booms can't kill you or break windows, check out mythbusters, they do it several times with f18s and never got the window to break.
mashby21 2 years ago
That is true, its the sheer volume and frequency of the sound that will do it. The only reason the sonic boom is dangerous is becuase you go from silence to immense volume in an instant when the high speed object 'in this case a jet' goes from being in front of you to being behind you.
LordFlasheart575 2 years ago
@mashby21 Yes it can. I've seen people getting hurt at airshows because of sonic booms.
SuperHornetTV 2 years ago
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IF the 22 or any jet for that matter which can go at least 1 mach ( speed of sound) and broke the sound barrier, some people would die. the shock wave that it gives off is so loud, so powerful, it can be "heart stopping".
couldnt imagine 2.5 times the speed of sound. 1400+ mph fast enough?
sqweekyknee 2 years ago
It wouldn't kill people they go mach 1+ around people at the RAG and bases sometimes the problem is it can break windows which is what they worry about but it wont kill anyone
Wendigo127 2 years ago
Sorry squeekyknee, sonic booms are quite harmless, even at unusually close distances.
tigerswede3 2 years ago
Agreed, A Eurofighter accidentally broke the sound barrier over where I live (granted it's nowhere near as close as this!)
It would be loud, but not fatal! there are MANY videos of F14's breaking the barrier over the sea alongside Aircraft carriers!
T0m0thy 2 years ago
Yes I agree with you. This is far from braking sound barrier... Video name Fail...
marintoss 1 year ago
@marintoss you didnt see the moisture cone forming arond the plane..??? prety c lose to mach 1 i think
nblracer880 1 year ago
@nblracer880 Dude watch carefully at 0:07 and you will see same thing around this black thing as you can see around F-22 that means that camera is bad! And I have seen MiG-29 going .99 mach that was fast this is turbo slow for that! My opinion this F-22 goes around 500 km/h.
marintoss 1 year ago
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Cannot be 0.9M. Everyone will be killed by the shock wave.
lzjwhu 2 years ago
@lzjwhu lol...are you serious?
Icarusdecending82 2 years ago
@lzjwhu Its true. my dad works on an aircraft carrier. and he says some people are killed during the breaking of the sound barrier because of its sonic boom! hes the reality. one time, one of the windows shattered into pieces on the tower.
sikorsky158 2 years ago
0.99 mach?
Heh no kick for F22!
wahkao1990 2 years ago
it doesnt matter if the afterburners are lit f22s can go supersonic without afterburners
darogers125 2 years ago 33
@darogers125 cant wait till we have to use these to DOMINATE wat ever country wants to fuck wit us hahahaha.......and thats the truth lol
MRxSM33 1 year ago
@darogers125 actually f22 do not have afterburners... they have a new technology called super cruise. this is kinda afterburners but not completely. it helps fuel consumption low and visibility low. but all in all f22 do not need or have afterburners.
Joedirt400 1 year ago
@Joedirt400 the f22's two pratt&whitney jet engines do have afterburning capability,
But the aircraft is so overpowered that it can reach mach 1.5 without afterburners, using MIL power only.
Szab0729 1 year ago
@Szab0729 well i stand corrected. :)
Joedirt400 1 year ago
@Szab0729 also the f22 is a steath fighter.
didn't it just go into service this year, oficially.
coolkid1446 1 year ago
@coolkid1446
What??? The F-22 went into service officially in 2005.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@coolkid1446 No. I got to go onto Langley AFB a few years ago and go right up to some F-22s. They don't have them in great numbers yet, but they are certainly being used.
navyguardf18 1 year ago
@Joedirt400 the F-22 does have afterburners and super cruise
yoyoyoyoshua 1 year ago
@darogers125 not at sea level
mihailofsx 1 year ago
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@darogers125 Yeah, its called Supercruise, the Eurofighter can do it also.
flightrulez 1 year ago
Did you see the pilot give everyone the bird?
BeantownJim 2 years ago 2
Yeah they probably cut back on the supersonic thing when everyone in LA was bitching about mysterious sonic booms in the middle of the night during the late '80s, heh.
Monkeybonk 2 years ago
Eh do it anyways.
entrailsgalore 2 years ago
i think it was .985 mach
PsuPepperoni 2 years ago
dont be a buzz kill
darkshadowscene 2 years ago
NASA certainly doesnt seem to have a problem laying down a sonic rumble every other mission, here in Tampa Bay!
jbird0168 2 years ago 2
incorrect video title - that was only .98 mach
vinesboyseventysix 2 years ago
you know its not at mach 1 because the sound arrived first than the airplane
deusradix 2 years ago
where do people get their information from?
do they make shit up?
zackdude25 2 years ago
Yeah, maybe but you forgot The Fallen and Megatron is back again and you see Optimus getting his ass kick in the trailers!
Foromir27 2 years ago
You can't break the sound barrier over the united states.
pilotstockle 2 years ago
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thats because the air is so thick with chem trails
kobasica 2 years ago
that was slow as shit not even close to mach .99. i saw an F-16 at the guard base in sioux city a couple months ago going faster than this and he wasn't even close to mach.99. it doesn't look like the afterburners are lit
91Snyder 2 years ago
Dont have to be lit plenty of power to hit .99 and then some without burners.
Learnin2Fly08 2 years ago 3