Lincoln Douglas Debates - Angry Town Halls of 1858

[ThirdChoiceVideos]

The Democrats in 1860s was the reactionary party, and the Republicans were slightly less reactionary, but I wouldn't call them progressive. A small, small tinge. Sometime later the Republican party became very reactionary and the Democrats switched to progressivism, like a Freaky Friday thing. To compare today's parties to back then is ludicrous and inaccurate.

[1integrity]

Lincoln was a Republican! Sad that ALL PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS voted FOR SLAVERY :-(

[finishstrongdoc]

It is very easy to get free men to be slaves; just call it "freedom"

" Imagination governs the world"

~ Napoleon Bonaparte~

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Liars aren't liars because they lie; they lie because they're liars.

Nice try, though, but I get that you can't help yourself....in the interests of charity, I will pray for you, TheChoiceVideos

[djsmurfie]

Oh, almost forgot, Lincoln lost these debates in that Douglas was returned to the Senate...

[ThirdChoiceVideos]

@djsmurfie - He won a short term victory. Lincoln won in the end. Big change (slavery, universal health care) are BIG changes, and society changes very, very slow with those matters. Especially when reactionaries come kicking and screaming; they slow change down but never stop it.

[djsmurfie]

@ThirdChoiceVideos Universal health care??

And Lincoln wasn't an abolitionist.

[ThirdChoiceVideos]

@djsmurfie - Prisons and Hospitals should never be run as "for-profit". I will never change my mind on that.

[BRYAN351]

@ThirdChoiceVideos Prisons and hospitals are very different things. Prisons are where the state punishes law breakers, and by definition, are government run institutions, whether they farm out the work or not.

Hospitals are businesses, where free people go to engage in commerce. Hospitals sell medical services, and SHOULD be private, for profit operations, just like any other business. Competition + profit motive breed high quality & low prices. Government run monopolies breed shit.

[ThirdChoiceVideos]

@BRYAN351 - I don't think that every human endeavor should always make a profit. I would rather have a inefficient system that covers everyone, then a perfect profit making machine that covers only 80% of us. To me, health care is a human right, not a luxury commodity to be used a s a profit making tool. Plus, if there is one pool that we all put our money into (public option) it reduces paperwork and administrative costs, and will reduce health care costs dramatically.

[BRYAN351]

@ThirdChoiceVideos I understand your sentiments, but I still disagree. Healthcare is not a right, it's a service. There's 3 ways to get goods and services. You either buy them yourself, steal them, or have the government force someone else to buy them for you, which is simply government theft on your behalf (socialism). Govt-run industries are always wasteful failures.

Healthcare is a very important service, but it's still a service. You don't have a right to the labor or property of another.

[ThirdChoiceVideos]

@BRYAN351 - So what happens if you are walking down the street and you find a man bleeding to death in the gutter? Do you check his wallet to see if he has the funds/insurance before you help him? Obviously not. (I hope) Civilized society should not let uninsured people die in the gutter, hence it is a right, not a commodity. That is how me and many Progressives feel. Remember the good Samaritan from Sunday School? WWJD?

[kern39743]

@ThirdChoiceVideos very well said

[djsmurfie]

How exactly was Lincoln a 'progressive'?

[JCS72]

psst....Lincoln wasn't a progressive.....