I agree with mike. Screw gates are better. But please, when you do a demo wear a helmet. You wouldn't want to bump your head on the rock and forget what you are saying.
Lummers70 - If I dropped my atc (which I never take off the biner) I would reach into my toobox and pull out the trusty ol prussik, autoblock, or klemheist. When in need I have belayed using a munter or rescued using the same hitch with a mule. Strictly speaking alpine climbing of course. If caving or aid climbing then a different ascension technique. What you keep in your toolbox is your business. Hope you know how to ascend a rope without a biner.
I've tried this going up a rope. This method is a bit faster, and less clumsy than using dual prussiks, but at the lack of safety (NB: always clip the prussik cord into your harness). If you know your going into a crevasse, or a waterfall - it would be way faster with an ascender or two. anyways - a great method of ascending if you've lost some essential gear. etc.
For multi tasking just use your ATC rigged in guide mode that you already have along with you for belaying. Unless you carry a clunky grigri alpine climbing or still prefer the good ol hip belay.
Thinking like that is what will get you into problems. These techniques are potential life savers fro when all is going wrong and the 'ATC' is not available.......how many ATC's have been dropped???!!!
@mikebarter387 I've really never had that problem but then the screwgates I do have are of a very similar type and the screw barrel itself is very unobtrusive
@mikebarter387 i have actually tried this with screw gate biners and it works but i just had one set the other way around so the gates were not touching. * this was with D biners and i would guess it wouldn't work 2 well on oval screw gates
hahah, mike your soooo clumbsy, but your my favorite. Hey do u think you could do something for a beginer mountaneer, what would i need, so the camming devices, rope of cours, etc. And what would the basic rope nots be for a mountaneer. I am a rockclimber but only climbed indoors so i know some of the stuff. If you cant do it, do you know a link where i can see these things being done, but someone that explains it as wel as you. thanks mate
Locking biners would be a solution except that the screw gates keep the biners from pinching together. They bind against the spine of the carabiner and won't pinch the rope tight enough. Not sure that is clear but give it a try and you will see what happens.
That is a good question that I am sure may must be thinking
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. After I read your post I see exactly what you mean, the lockers create to much space not allowing the biners to really bind down on the rope.
Keep up the great vids, very informational and easy to follow! Thanks.
You say this is a dicey knot due to the possibility of the rope un-clipping itself from the biner. Wouldn't a pair of locking carabiners solve that issue? Seems like an easy solution, is there something I'm missing?
why wouldnt you just use two locking beaners? I feel like that would be safer than watching the placement of the rope every five seconds.
jamesbluecruzer1 2 months ago
sorry that was pretty funny on the helmet bit. thanks f garda hitch demo.
boraboy4ever 5 months ago
I agree with mike. Screw gates are better. But please, when you do a demo wear a helmet. You wouldn't want to bump your head on the rock and forget what you are saying.
tuliro620 7 months ago
I agree, mikebarter387 is right. Screw gates are better.
tuliro620 7 months ago
Lummers70 - If I dropped my atc (which I never take off the biner) I would reach into my toobox and pull out the trusty ol prussik, autoblock, or klemheist. When in need I have belayed using a munter or rescued using the same hitch with a mule. Strictly speaking alpine climbing of course. If caving or aid climbing then a different ascension technique. What you keep in your toolbox is your business. Hope you know how to ascend a rope without a biner.
annulus1 10 months ago
usar casco es incomodo, golpearce en la roca, lo es aun mas!!!
osolaser 11 months ago
u should use a italien knot insted
biodiezel 11 months ago
@biodiezel Not really. How do you keep it in place and not lose your gain?
banffmedia 11 months ago
I've tried this going up a rope. This method is a bit faster, and less clumsy than using dual prussiks, but at the lack of safety (NB: always clip the prussik cord into your harness). If you know your going into a crevasse, or a waterfall - it would be way faster with an ascender or two. anyways - a great method of ascending if you've lost some essential gear. etc.
good job with the videos
Janfodne 1 year ago
For multi tasking just use your ATC rigged in guide mode that you already have along with you for belaying. Unless you carry a clunky grigri alpine climbing or still prefer the good ol hip belay.
annulus1 1 year ago
@annulus1 I agree however still does not hurt to know how to do this.
mikebarter387 1 year ago
@annulus1
Thinking like that is what will get you into problems. These techniques are potential life savers fro when all is going wrong and the 'ATC' is not available.......how many ATC's have been dropped???!!!
Lummers70 10 months ago
your good but you do not have proper PPE.
sheena090905 1 year ago
@sheena090905 PPE what is that?
mikebarter387 1 year ago
@sheena090905 PPE what is that?
mikebarter387 1 year ago
@sheena090905 PPE what is that?
mikebarter387 1 year ago
i think PPE stands for personal protective eqiupement....
icecoldmammal 1 year ago
does the garda hitch work like an ATC?
hooleyb123 2 years ago
@hooleyb123 Depends how you mean that. A ATC used as a autoblock, then the answer is yes
mikebarter387 1 year ago
nice vid:) hope your headache didnt stay too long
colpiland 2 years ago
what about using locking carabiners with the gates facing opposite directions? then the barrels on the gates would not interfere.
karlnz70kg 2 years ago
@karlnz70kg You have a shape issue, sorry just forget about the locking biners it does not work well with them any way you cut it.
mikebarter387 1 year ago
Very nice and I like how Paul points out the possible dangers to look out for.
sim600 2 years ago
nice
youjib 2 years ago
I've used my Gri-gri like that. If you're going to use the garda like that, wouldn't screwgates be a good idea?
F1X0R121 2 years ago
@F1X0R121 see the above. The screw gates prevent the biners from binding properly
mikebarter387 1 year ago
@mikebarter387 I've really never had that problem but then the screwgates I do have are of a very similar type and the screw barrel itself is very unobtrusive
F1X0R121 1 year ago
@mikebarter387 i have actually tried this with screw gate biners and it works but i just had one set the other way around so the gates were not touching. * this was with D biners and i would guess it wouldn't work 2 well on oval screw gates
08yannch 1 year ago
very good demonstration "pro helmet"
rarbiart 2 years ago
hahah, mike your soooo clumbsy, but your my favorite. Hey do u think you could do something for a beginer mountaneer, what would i need, so the camming devices, rope of cours, etc. And what would the basic rope nots be for a mountaneer. I am a rockclimber but only climbed indoors so i know some of the stuff. If you cant do it, do you know a link where i can see these things being done, but someone that explains it as wel as you. thanks mate
muhamedg14 2 years ago
@muhamedg14 I will see what I can do. This week I am starting a series called Mikes Mail where I do video answers to questions just like yours.
mikebarter387 1 year ago
dude you're awesome. Ive never seen this hitch, and never seen it used as an ascender. I will learn this directly!
Also your comments about the gri-gri are right on, we should always know a knot, hitch or technique to use when the mechanical devices fail. Be cool!
SgtKiller33 2 years ago
Over here we call that a alpine clutch - never seen it used as an ascender tho' - thanx - top vid
6kuku9 3 years ago
Good demonstration by Paul when he banged his head on the rock on why wearing a helmet is a good idea.
cride1 3 years ago
Locking biners would be a solution except that the screw gates keep the biners from pinching together. They bind against the spine of the carabiner and won't pinch the rope tight enough. Not sure that is clear but give it a try and you will see what happens.
That is a good question that I am sure may must be thinking
Thanks
Mike
mikebarter387 3 years ago
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. After I read your post I see exactly what you mean, the lockers create to much space not allowing the biners to really bind down on the rope.
Keep up the great vids, very informational and easy to follow! Thanks.
ewill351 3 years ago
You say this is a dicey knot due to the possibility of the rope un-clipping itself from the biner. Wouldn't a pair of locking carabiners solve that issue? Seems like an easy solution, is there something I'm missing?
ewill351 3 years ago
Thanks for adding these crevasse self rescue videos, mike.
chelemena182 3 years ago