Judo Ne-Waza Turn Over by David Loshelder

[NeiCaelum]

Hi, I have a question about this technique. Do we have the right to take the tissue that way today in competition?

[Sancria]

3rd chess and psychology, plus good exercise. With a good partner and a good dojo, you might just be blessed with the opportunity to practice judo for the rest of your life. 24 years and going strong!

[profdion]

Just kick him in the face...

[settigirl1998]

@profdion not that easy man , no that easy

[KJ1Daniel]

it looks neat on demo with unopposing opponent, but when it comes to using it in real ne-waza, and especially with heavier opponent, it is useless.

[loudenvier]

@KJ1Daniel How can you say it is useless? It's just another dynamics. If you try to demonstrate ANY technique on a fully resisting opponent no one will be able to learn anything. That is a basic pedagogic notion. In fact this turn-over can really be useless because you can apply a submission instead of going for the turn-over. In Judo it pays off to go to the turnover because osaekomi scores, in BJJ it doesn't pay off, so the submission is a better approach. But useless? Only to the unskilled.

[arskatuubi]

@loudenvier

You're right.

First you got to have control of opponent's body, then you have all the time in the world to do the submission. Many people train to get the submission only, but it's like to try to open the door in the cottage far away in a big forest when you don't have the map to go there first.

[Evanmander]

I dont know the judo rules. Why cant your opponent knee you in the head while you are holding them down?

[ragnarrahl]

@Evanmander

Because Judo is a grappling art.

A better question is why you can't win by taking their back and having your hooks in for 25 seconds instead of trying to turn them over.

[ragnarrahl]

Since, after all, you can win by pinning them on their back for 25 seconds. Which is fairly realistic, you would have them knocked out in that time in a fight in either back mount or front mount.

[bla7091]

@ragnarrahl If you're ok with that, why not just punch him in the neck at 1:30 and be done with it...

You can use this grappling technique when you're standing too, exactly the same principle

[ragnarrahl]

@bla7091 A single punch in the neck grounded or otherwise is empirically almost never "done with it" those combat sports where it is legal, regardless, Judo was invented to make alive training of jujitsu as a fighting technique safer, and part of its philosophy in assuring such safety is to forbid striking. There doesn't seem to be any such reasoning for scoring pinning someone on their back while not scoring pinning someone while you are on their back.

[bla7091]

@ragnarrahl Ji-jitsu rules allow such pins, pretty much any hold where they can't move counts as osae komi. It is quite realistic because you can wait for help as you hold your opponent firmly in such a position

[ragnarrahl]

@bla7091

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu rules or some other Jiu-Jitsu ruleset?

[bla7091]

@ragnarrahl I think it's Japanese jiu-jitsu rules in competitions but I'm not really sure, never participated in it

[Benji0Sama]

This is a lot harder in a real judo sparring fight then it looks. In the demonstrations the other part isnt strugling at all.

[roentgen571]

I always thought it was funny that right around the time I stopped caring about the color of my belt was right about the same time it stopped changing color every few months (when I made shodan). It's like you're thinking about and worrying about learning techniques for the next exam, or to try in the next competition, and then after a bit you just start caring about learning and improving the techniques for their own sake.

[TheShamus7]

@skrimpshidy. well said mate. enjoy judo for what it is. a way of life,self discipline and respect for your fellow judoka. its not a race. id rather it take me my whole life to become very proficient than rushing my way through to be a halfway hero. dont really understand why its such a race. surely the enjoyment is in the gradual gathering and use of aquired knowledge. Happy Randori.

[mlbutz]

It might be possible know the techniques on a black belt level in about 2 or 3 years... but you guys forget that there's also a mindset involved... being a black belt is more than mastering the techniques

[niquevaldez]

watch this without sound HAHA so gay.

[skrimpshidy]

Am I the only Judoka in the world that absolutely doesn't care about how long it takes to earn rank? God willing I'll be doing Judo the rest of my life. I'm about the journey and I'll progress when I progress. Why does it matter how long it takes?

[settigirl1998]

@skrimpshidy right i hate all the white belts that just started and they think their getting their yellow belts and my friend is a yellow belt and all she cares about is getting her orange belt god i don't care i just have fun throwing people (i'm a yellow belt btw)

[Antropeda1]

@skrimpshidy

If you train hard, and study judo, you will get the black belt. It could take 8 years, it could take 10 years, or little more, but you will get it if you train and dont give up. And the black belt is allso just a start of the journey, when you have the black belt, in judo it means that you are good, and understand and can do the basics of judo.. nothing more. And is your judo good or not is measured only in contest, doesnt matter wich is your belt colour.

[str8bigr1]

an adult through sucessful competition(even non suc.), can receive a blk belt in judo, in abt. 2 1/2, to 3yrs. Non comp. in abt. 5-10 yrs. Bcuz of judo politics sum org's like usji started just pushing out a lot of blk. belts. u had all kinds of crazy promo., guys 35yrs old & given 6, & 7th dans. Remember their is only 3 belt in adult judo: wh, brn, blk.

[AudienceKiller66]

I got my black belt in shito-ryu karate in 2 and 1/2 years. I actually earned it though it wasn't just given to me. And now I'm starting up jiu jitsu, and I'll see how long it takes for me to get the belt in that. But i've cheated a little bit, I've been doing no-gi jiu jitsu for about a year now.

[Grove2000]

This is about 150 times more complicated that it needs to be. What the hell is with all that gi tugging? A complete waste of time and energy. Keeping in mind by the time you've got to that point in shiai newaza at least 3 or 4 seconds have gone by. Some refs might only give you another 2 or 3 seconds before you're stopped! you cna clearly see that uke is ready to roll onto his back when tori has pushed his head to the side with his knee. all it takes is a tug on the arm for him to go down!

[chucknorriss]

@Grove2000 uhhh you realize he needed the gi wrapped around his hand to secure control when hes doing the pin.. how long you been doing judo?

[Keepholder]

Looks good, but how do you get the hook in from the start, if the opponent is pressing his arm tight to his side?

[rasnus2]

You don't - if his arm is tight to his side, his neck is vulnerable - go for hadaka jime (rear naked choke) or variations on okuri eri jime (sliding collar choke).

[182hotrod]

very nice. i know a diffrent version of this. but this will be for more technical people.

[UmDiaEuFicoBom]

Great turnover. I will add this to my game.

Thanks

[mateah]

hi´, can you tell me how many years it takes approximatly to recieve the black belt in Judo?

[UmDiaEuFicoBom]

I think it`s not the same time in every country or every dojo... Here in Brazil it takes about seven to eight years in average, I think (considering you practice regularly). Then you have to take a special course every weekend for about eight months. At least in my city.

[DeepClue]

Eighty three.

[serekithegreat]

@mateah It took me 15 years to get mine, but I didn't train regularly for all of those years. Here in the U.S. you can get yours in 5-6 years if you are a dedicated judoka with plenty of competition, as well as demonstrating that you have the necessary skills to receive Shodan ( first degree black belt ).

[mateah]

@serekithegreat

its just that ive heard that some guys got their black belt in 1 year. And some of them are known, and really good blackbelts too.. i just wonder how you can get a black belt in anything in 1 year? maybe if you train 12 hours/day 360 days. (you rest 5 days/year) ??

[serekithegreat]

@mateah I've seen guys get a brown belt in one year, but they are the exception. I live in Oklahoma, and we have two major wrestling universities, OU and Oklahoma State which produce some of the best wrestlers in the world. Some of these guys transition into judo and get promoted very quickly because of their ability to grasp the techniques and execute them very quickly.

[BloodofPatriots]

@mateah Shodan isn't about ability, it's about knowledge. If you can execute the techniques, then you get promoted. If you can execute them in competition, then you get promoted faster. A black belt is like a college degree -- all it does is show that you have a certain level of knowledge. Whether ability follows depends on the judoka and the dojo.

[Chuikov23]

@mateah Seven to ten years is pretty typical here. Five or six years to brown belt and then another two to four to black.

[pogipaul]

wow!

[lallope]

excellent david..it does a heart good to an old judoka to see someone do an excellent job describing everything so well.

[kylesteinhauser]

This is exactly what my sensei taught last week, with the same key lock and everything! It's a great technique!

[moelicious416]

excellent technique sensei!

[623judoka]

siiiick

[Ippondo]

Great job coach!!

[mddog]

very competent and nice Newaza... you should try Kosen judo for more advanced newaza.

[lallope]

great,, i believe you would appreciate katsuhiko kashiwazaki and his demonstrations. look him up on here. his newaza in competition is one of the best I have ever seen, it is actually beautiful in all aesthetic aspects. Anyone into any grappling art should check it out. Unfortunately it is in Japanese but even if one can not understand Japaneses it is genius.