RE..Paganism and Abrahamic Religions not radically different Part 2

[Apocryphon453]

The issue is anyway despite having common metaphysical origins, Christianity carries the slave morality, it carries the degenerate notion of equality that counters the legitimate authority of the aristocratic individuals, and promotes self sacrifice of the few best to the many inferiors. Also the view that the world is sin and self is sin and requires a vicarious redeemer, thus promoting feelings of inferiority rather than feelings of power, and stunts personal growth by over value of campassion

[Apocryphon453]

It is not bigoted to know well the nature of the serpent and it's poison, and thus design society to accept the serpent and make room for it and to help the serpent find a positive expression in the society. The serpent can be put to controlling rats for example. It is bigoted to say serpents kill, thus we must kill all snakes. It is just ignorance to say, all animals are gods creatures and we must not fear and respect the bite of the serpent, treat them as you would kittens.

[Apocryphon453]

The same is true of Christianity, it has been so effected by the black school of magick, that it needs to be purged totally. We have to address all the negative aspects, the slave morality on which it was founded, original sin, hatred of the flesh, in order to. Fulfill the book of the law. "Behold! the rituals of the old time are black. Let the evil ones be cast away; let the good ones be purged by the prophet! Then shall this Knowledge go aright."

[tannhaus]

@Apocryphon453 Thankfully, many Thelemites don't interpret things like you do.

[Apocryphon453]

The problem of so called "racists" is that they attribute to a biological cause what is a social and cultural issue. Many "black people" really are like that, because when there were taken as slaves, they were stripped of their traditions and culture and forced to live in an alien world. They were taught a slave culture. On top of that you have the pop-media influencing black identity with negative values and ideals. The solution is to address differences even negative ones, not ignore them.

[Apocryphon453]

truth is not bigotry. Why not show all the common points between Americans and Nazis. Like Nazis love their mothers just like patriotic Americans. Then when some one says Nazis doctrine says they should kill inferior races. Then you can reply, Not all Nazis believe in that, and most never actually killed anyone even if they did believe in it, You are just an anti-nazi bigot.

[tannhaus]

@Apocryphon453 You do realize that you're taking exactly the same stance as other bigots, including racists, right? It's not bigotry if it's true.... and black people really ARE like that...look how many are in jail...etc.

The facts of the matter do not support your bias. That is what I'm pointing out. Some will listen..some won't. But, that's the way of everything, isn't it?

[peanarchist]

I will pray for you to the great spirit of youtube so you might stop being trolled buy random pricks.

[Odanrot]

@tannhaus I just look at a statistic the claim that Poll: 63% of Americans

think Bible literally true. Those I don't see an updated poll however I doubt that this number has drop since 2005

And by the look of it this number has only risen since 2004

[tannhaus]

@Odanrot You're talking about the 2004 Rasmussen poll. However, in 2007, a Gallup poll put that number at 1/3 of Christians. All the surveys since by Pew Forum, Barna Group, etc. seem to jive with that. In 2004, it was politically fashionable to SAY you believed the Bible was literally true... But, like most of these surveys, if you start asking specific questions, you realize they DON'T take it literally.

[Darkgothamfariy]

@tannhaus You're using a forum for your statistics!? I looked at the sources this guy who made the video and they seem accurate and I wouldn't be surprised if they are a lot higher then they were before and I didn't read anything in these sources claiming that it was a political poll . Why do you keep making up excuses for this group of people when they wouldn't do the same for you?? Are you willfully ignorant or delusional??

[tannhaus]

@Darkgothamfariy Pew forum is the name of a subset of Pew Research. It and Gallup are the most respected surveyors out there. They both agree in their statistics on this one. I don't support bigotry and slander against any religion.

[Darkgothamfariy]

@tannhaus The Pew Global Attitudes Project is a series of worldwide public-opinion surveys and reports aimed at understanding worldwide attitudes on various issues. Pubic opinions are official statistics .. Tell me if I have a problem with Neo Nazis does that make me a bigot!? You see you can't just go around yelling BIGOT here and SLANDERER there.Come on now He has a point and really to deny what many think is true and only going by what a few people say in a forum is kind of dumb.Just saying

[Odanrot]

@Darkgothamfariy Please try not to be harsh.

[Darkgothamfariy]

@Odanrot Well I am not trying to be but I am tired of people defending an ideology or faith that is hostile to anyone who opposes them. They are guilty for being hateful towards homosexuals and other minority groups. And they always derogatory words like bigoted or slanderer. I have no tolerance for people who defend these kind of people. So call me a bigot all you want. Anyone with common sense and with a little tiny bit of critical thinking skills can see is unhealthy for the human soul

[tannhaus]

@Darkgothamfariy Who brought up the PEW GAP? NO ONE.

The Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life, launched in 2001, seeks to promote a deeper understanding of issues at the intersection of religion and public affairs.

[tannhaus]

@Darkgothamfariy The Pew Forum conducts surveys, demographic analyses and other social science research on important aspects of religion and public life in the U.S. and around the world. It also provides a neutral venue for discussions of timely issues through roundtables and briefings.

Be careful about calling someone dumb when you can't even make a distinction between Pew Forum and an Internet discussion forum. Ha.

[Darkgothamfariy]

@tannhaus Really where does it have the official poll results?? Hmm this starting to sound like baseless claims this site. Where does it say that one third of the U.S take the bible literal? Btw A forum is where people discuss their views and opinion much like this site.. Also just because a site is supposedly ran by think tanks doesn't right away mean they are right and everyone else is wrong. Get real.

[tannhaus]

@Darkgothamfariy dude....you haven't heard of Pew....probably haven't heard of Gallup and Rasmussen... And you want to talk about statistics and dispute them because they don't fit your biases. This conversation is really a waste of my time. Learn a little about the social sciences, statistics gathering, etc. and then we can have a conversation about it. Otherwise, you make statements out of ignorance simply because you're not familiar with how things are done. Read up on it and then get back

[Odanrot]

@tannhaus Could you cite the poll where it says only one third of Americans believe the bible is literal? Also additional sources to that have the same data if at all possible then maybe this could be put to rest.

[tannhaus]

@Odanrot Absolutely. Unfortunately, YouTube won't let me put urls in a comment. So I can email tonight after work. But, I just googled percent Christians believe bible literal and the 2007 Gallup poll showed up as the first hit.

[tannhaus]

I can make a video reply later if you wish. In at work now. I didn't get to hear the whole thing but you said this is what most of them believe IF they accept the Bible as the literal word of God and most Christians don't. That's the evangelical minority