I think you will find comparatively as many articles that will say that using only ASL does not give deaf children adequate access to English and Literacy skills. I think it is important to evaluate what is appropriate for each child. STOP saying ALL deaf need a certain approach. It is misleading. Your sign for cochlear implant is offensive. The facial expression you use when you talk about oralism is offensive as well. Because a deaf person can talk does not make that person BAD.
@sammee1209 I am for all approach not exclusive. Many studies show that all babies, both hearing and deaf, benefit from signing and there is nothing wrong with that. CODAs tend to do better academically so it is not a coincidence. I am qualified to say what I see since I am in the profession working with Deaf children. I have a master's degree and I study a lot. The sign for ci is common so don't know what you mean about offensive? Funny I use spoken English so no need to be judgmental here.
@sammee1209 Did you read the transcript?... placing Deaf children, regardless of their hearing level or implantation, in an oral- exclusive only environment is NOT recommended. It has been demonstrated that the basis for claiming superiority of approaches which specifically EXCLUDE signing, per se, has been consistently weak (Marschark & Spencer, 2006, p. 4; Powers, Gregory, & Thoutenhoofd, 1998; Young ). Don't tell me to STOP, don't tell the researchers to STOP but you STOP make assumptions.
@sammee1209 But what exactly are you saying? Reading lips, talking? Lipreading is only useful for catching 30% of a conversation and even if deaf people speak they still cant hear you speaking to them? Or do you mean the implant?
I mean its pretty obvious that ASL is going to have to be used as a primary communicative means if they are deaf so why are so you offended by deaf people advocatin ASL?
I just start to learn ASL recently, am hard of hearing. I can sign some simple words now. I joined a great deaf daing site, ----Deafornot dot c om----, and met some good deaf/HOH friends over there. They help me to learn ASL.
I was raised in the US from German family and picked up both of them and my dad remarried a deaf woman and I picked that up no problem either at age 11 because her kids used to lie to her to get me and my brother in trouble... I knew German from my grandmother only speaking German to me and being closest to me as 1st born and German...
ASL is simple and easy to pick up and as someone who picked it up can sign better than most trained ASL people same with US German 2nd language speakers...
One of the reasons why I want to take ASL is so that I am able to communicate with not only Deaf people but also when my boyfriend and I are at a noisy environment or we want to have a private conversation where people won't hear us. So I think that it is important that schools have the option of ASL as a language because there are so many Deaf people that would like to communicate with hearing people.
At last, you educate them so well. Thank you for the great information for hearing parents who needs to know the truth from a Deaf professional like you. :) Good job! I m relieved to see someone like you with positive attitude about ASL education. :)
Why is ASL not being advocated more strongly for the general curriculum, as a superior 2nd language for the hearing, as well? Unlike Spanish, French, etc., it is easier than English for EVERYONE to understand in very loud environments, it doesn't disrupt sound-controlled events like plays and concerts, and so on. It seems it would broaden a person's linguistic arsenal much more than a 2nd spoken language.
@ OregonBLB, I think it should too! I can only talk to one of my friends. We got to sign a song (we are the world, MJ) at our Choir Concert. We are the only people in our grade who can sign.
Interesting point. We're seen as medical impairment. We can teach them that they're too. Avg of them has lower spatial skills, less periphearal vision, higher chance of dreaming in b&w rather than in color, more risk at driving, and don't have prividge being in golden silence. And show them how wonderful ASL is. As hearing researchers show that ASL has some advantage over English. Maybe that'll shut them up.
The problem, too, is that when the hearing experience deafness later in life, it is usually interpreted as an impairment.
In our American culture, "not having" is usually seen as a tragedy. There is not an appreciation that having less of having any sort of "imperfection" can be an advantage. More is better, period. We have also largely given up spiritual practices such as fasting and vows of silence. This is part of what the Deaf are up against.
Its true. If deafness is seen as a medical impairment (like polio) then encouragement of ASL would be like encouraging children to use a wheelchair, not learn to walk. ASL would be a 'crutch'. If seen as a language issue, THEN it would carry far more importance. Excellent points! ASL=Spanish=French=cultural identity.
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deafornot4 10 months ago
I think you will find comparatively as many articles that will say that using only ASL does not give deaf children adequate access to English and Literacy skills. I think it is important to evaluate what is appropriate for each child. STOP saying ALL deaf need a certain approach. It is misleading. Your sign for cochlear implant is offensive. The facial expression you use when you talk about oralism is offensive as well. Because a deaf person can talk does not make that person BAD.
sammee1209 11 months ago
@sammee1209 I am for all approach not exclusive. Many studies show that all babies, both hearing and deaf, benefit from signing and there is nothing wrong with that. CODAs tend to do better academically so it is not a coincidence. I am qualified to say what I see since I am in the profession working with Deaf children. I have a master's degree and I study a lot. The sign for ci is common so don't know what you mean about offensive? Funny I use spoken English so no need to be judgmental here.
avbria 11 months ago
@sammee1209 And stop telling people what to do. You telling me to stop is not acceptable tone at all.
avbria 11 months ago
@sammee1209 Did you read the transcript?... placing Deaf children, regardless of their hearing level or implantation, in an oral- exclusive only environment is NOT recommended. It has been demonstrated that the basis for claiming superiority of approaches which specifically EXCLUDE signing, per se, has been consistently weak (Marschark & Spencer, 2006, p. 4; Powers, Gregory, & Thoutenhoofd, 1998; Young ). Don't tell me to STOP, don't tell the researchers to STOP but you STOP make assumptions.
avbria 11 months ago
@sammee1209 But what exactly are you saying? Reading lips, talking? Lipreading is only useful for catching 30% of a conversation and even if deaf people speak they still cant hear you speaking to them? Or do you mean the implant?
I mean its pretty obvious that ASL is going to have to be used as a primary communicative means if they are deaf so why are so you offended by deaf people advocatin ASL?
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I just start to learn ASL recently, am hard of hearing. I can sign some simple words now. I joined a great deaf daing site, ----Deafornot dot c om----, and met some good deaf/HOH friends over there. They help me to learn ASL.
Lydiaabbey 1 year ago
I was raised in the US from German family and picked up both of them and my dad remarried a deaf woman and I picked that up no problem either at age 11 because her kids used to lie to her to get me and my brother in trouble... I knew German from my grandmother only speaking German to me and being closest to me as 1st born and German...
ASL is simple and easy to pick up and as someone who picked it up can sign better than most trained ASL people same with US German 2nd language speakers...
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Lydiaabbey 1 year ago
One of the reasons why I want to take ASL is so that I am able to communicate with not only Deaf people but also when my boyfriend and I are at a noisy environment or we want to have a private conversation where people won't hear us. So I think that it is important that schools have the option of ASL as a language because there are so many Deaf people that would like to communicate with hearing people.
adventuresofcandk 1 year ago
At last, you educate them so well. Thank you for the great information for hearing parents who needs to know the truth from a Deaf professional like you. :) Good job! I m relieved to see someone like you with positive attitude about ASL education. :)
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jpmiami 3 years ago
I definitely agree with you. I'm in school for interpreting and my aunt is Deaf, after what she went through, I will never change my mind.
alisseblom 4 years ago
i strongly agree!!!!
AutymnRosa 4 years ago
this is so true
mydeafnet 4 years ago
I have a question:
Why is ASL not being advocated more strongly for the general curriculum, as a superior 2nd language for the hearing, as well? Unlike Spanish, French, etc., it is easier than English for EVERYONE to understand in very loud environments, it doesn't disrupt sound-controlled events like plays and concerts, and so on. It seems it would broaden a person's linguistic arsenal much more than a 2nd spoken language.
OregonBLB 4 years ago 6
@ OregonBLB, I think it should too! I can only talk to one of my friends. We got to sign a song (we are the world, MJ) at our Choir Concert. We are the only people in our grade who can sign.
MadsNoble 2 years ago
@OregonBLB Good question. Probably the reason is because of spanish's perceived usefulness in terms of the number of speakers.
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darkkrang2007 4 years ago
Interesting point. We're seen as medical impairment. We can teach them that they're too. Avg of them has lower spatial skills, less periphearal vision, higher chance of dreaming in b&w rather than in color, more risk at driving, and don't have prividge being in golden silence. And show them how wonderful ASL is. As hearing researchers show that ASL has some advantage over English. Maybe that'll shut them up.
Salticid68 4 years ago 2
I hope the goal isn't to "shut them up." This is a question that needs a conversation, if ever there was one.
OregonBLB 4 years ago 2
The problem, too, is that when the hearing experience deafness later in life, it is usually interpreted as an impairment.
In our American culture, "not having" is usually seen as a tragedy. There is not an appreciation that having less of having any sort of "imperfection" can be an advantage. More is better, period. We have also largely given up spiritual practices such as fasting and vows of silence. This is part of what the Deaf are up against.
OregonBLB 4 years ago
Its true. If deafness is seen as a medical impairment (like polio) then encouragement of ASL would be like encouraging children to use a wheelchair, not learn to walk. ASL would be a 'crutch'. If seen as a language issue, THEN it would carry far more importance. Excellent points! ASL=Spanish=French=cultural identity.
cedry123 4 years ago