Liar, Liar, Liar. France has just as many world leaders going there for surgery and has as many if not more advances in procedures and medicine as here in the United States.
As for Socialized medicine being so awful, I have a left hand only because the British medical system was willing to perform some brand new and very expensive techniques on me that the US military was unwilling to do. They wanted to amputate this dependents hand many years ago. My father took a chance and it worked.
I wish I had access to socialized medicine. Here in America I got charged $1,600 for the 20 minutes in the hospital it took them to tell me I had pneumonia, which was pretty obvious, and that didn't include the antibiotics. I had to pay for those anyway.
17.3 weeks? Maybe for a small northern rural town and if the care was non-essential but believe me, if it was a life-threatening issue, the patient would be sent to a major city where the treatment was available. I can afford to go to the US, but never needed to simply because any sort of treatment I needed was delivered quickly. Last major issue (and it was serious) took a grand total of 5 days to be treated and resolved. I never paid a penny, no insurance companies denying me for a PEC, etc...
Americans! Wake up! Beck is a circus road show. His aim is to provoke people and garner ratings.
I AM CANADIAN. This is NOT the truth. Yes, there may be waits for some procedures. But essential care is NEVER held from our citizens.
I am living in the US (temporarily). A colleague, who is INSURED, recently suffered a brain aneurysm. His insurance company only covered 80% and he was left with a $10,000 bill.
If that's the best in the world.... Canada doesn't want it!!
@jschlamp, I agree with you. I'm a Canadian who spent the first 39 years of his life in Canada before moving to the US and I'm tired of this anti-Canada propaganda. While living in Quebec I've required medical help from time to time and NEVER did I have to wait 17 weeks to see a specialist, not even close. Corporate puppets like Beck rely on a lazy, uninformed audience who have no idea how the Canadian system works and therefore more susceptible to believing Beck's lies.
I hope everyone here understands that this video is almost a joke. Most of what is displayed here is inaccurate misrepresentation of information. Do your research Canada has one of the most affordable, AND accessable health care. And btw the American people was to create equality, equality is not exploitation like that is being done by the health insurance companies in the United states
I think you misunderstand the mission of the American commonwealth. The constitution is about LIBERTY not EQUALITY. There is a difference. All the origninal ten amendments give us liberty and none of them say anything like "All Americans should have private property in equality and equal pay." When absollute equality is forced on a population liberty sufferes and the constitution is about liberty. Russia is an example of no liberty and absolute equality. -sirjustin B.S. History.
@sirjustin511, telling others to do research may be your way to insinuate you are informed but you aren't. Fact, the US spends the most per capita on healthcare while not covering everyone. Fact, the US ranks 37th in the world for healthcare. Fact, over 60% of all US bankruptcies are due to medical bills and about 3/4 of those people HAD insurance. Fact, the infant mortality rate in the US is higher than at least 40 other countries in the world. You need to reply with facts instead of BS.
Sound like you don't know what you are speaking of. you could afford to do some research of you own and I am not talking about watching CNN or Fox. Get off your rear, shut off youtube and do YOUR research and critical thinking, a person who mimics what others think, may as well not have a brain. (Sounds like you mimic Michael Moore, CNN and our lame president Barack Obama.
Beck is a clown. Look at him with his goofy faces and his props. Is this a news show or a kid's show?
The reason the US even looking at socialized medicine is the price is out of control here. This is why many Americans will go to other countries to have surgeries at a discount.
I just went to a hospital and they charged me over $9000 to tell me I had a kidney stone and did nothing for me. $9000 to do NOTHING? Where can I get a piece of that action?
this is fox news enough said, but i do agree that private health care does give a better service, but what about the poor ?, the people who cant manage.
I've lived in both Canada and the U.S. and I'm an Independent, FYI.
Privatized health care is better than nationalized, there's no question. However, it's only better for those who can afford it!
I recently had appendicitis. I pay for my own health insurance at $170/mo. Now I owe $3,000 between the copay etc. If I hadn't had insurance, I'd owe ~$30,000! Everything would have been free in Canada. Thankfully, I just graduated so can afford it
ibnuts compassion for the poor? Would it be OK if all the "poor" Americans illegally immigrated to Canada & took advantage all the social services, governmment handouts including medical treatment?
I don't support illegals getting free health care either, but that doesn't mean that the hard-working poor should have to go without or that middle-class families should lose their homes to be able to afford to go to the doctor or pay for medications.
ibnuts what I'm getting at is if the U.S. has a national health care plan, we will get more legal & illegal immigrants. The Democrats like that because the more give aways they give the more votes, hence Democrats stay in power.
Ah, I see what you're saying, and agree with you when it comes to legal immigrants; but legals are generally educated people who contribute to society.
However, I think we'll continue to have a ton of illegals coming here no matter what. They don't need to worry about health care, since they just go to the ER and don't pay their bills. Their "anchor babies" can all get free health care currently under Medicaid.
It's the decent/honest people that are affected by the current situation.
This video is the reason why I WANT Obama to fail! I don't want the government deciding what kind of surgery I need! It's my body, and NO ONE, especially NOT the government, is going to decide what care I need. This is what would happen if healthcare is nationalized. For goodness sake's, what is wrong with your average "American" liberal?!?!?
Firstly, with national healthcare, you are not forced into surgery. That's a really stupid assumption to make, and I don't know who told you that.
Secondly, even if you were (which you WOULDN'T be because that's RETARDED) the people deciding it would be DOCTORS. But then, they've been through a lot of education, so you probably think Satan has got them by now, right?
Aside from the pathetic insult about my religion (which further just makes you look immature and stupid), did I ever say that the government was going to force me to have surgery if I didn't need it? LOL, well I can sure tell that you were paying close attention to what I was writing. Anyway, I said when I eventually BECAME sick I didn't want the government influencing the decisions of the doctors to decide what KIND of surgery I need, because the government is going to be regulating it (cont.)
Therefore, the government will have the final say-so in what the system can afford to give me in terms of healthcare, and the doctors will be answering to government officials. Didn't you even watch this newsclip? But let me guess, the woman talking to Glenn Beck is lying right? She REALLY doesn't know what it's like to have socialized healthcare right? She only lives in Canada with a smaller population than ours, so why should we believe what she says? LOL!
Lie to yourselves and each other...no skin off my nose.
If my husband lived in the states, he'd be bankrupt by now.
This horrible healthcare you speak of paid for ON TIME colonoscopies, mri s, surgery AND medication for his serious disease which costs $30,000 per year. Yup, 30K! And my husband is being cared for with the latest medical treatment and he doesn't have to sell the house to get it.
Glad that people like Glenn and his guest are so rich they can laugh.
American democracy spoke quite clearly in the 2008 election. Obama has been handed considerable political capital that will be spent modernizing an antiquated and over lobbied system. Antiamerican neofascist circlejerks need to get out of our great nation if they're so unpatriotic as to be unable to support our president at this critical moment in history. p.s. 4 more years in 2012- suck on that!
NOSTRANONYMOUS, I am with the program and it's called The United States of America! Ignorant Bigots like you need to get the fuck out! We don't need you here and I can't wait to kick your ass OUT in the Revolution!
Wrong answer, Nostradumbass. We, the true patriots who love our liberty, are going to stay and fight your totalitarian power-mongering commie idols. And we WILL win our freedom back!
You think everything that isn't your point of view is communism. Nationalised healthcare's purpose is to provide healthcare for everyone. Y'know, compassion for your fellow American?
Obamas healthcare scheme would follow the $700 billion TARP bailout, the $787 billion stimulus, & a $410 billion, earmark-laden budget appropriation - when the national debt already exceeds $11 trillion. Add the abolishment of private healthcare to that and what does it get you in less than a decade? SELECTIVE healthcare! It will bloat -once again- spending & borrowing by the government. Do you honestly think we need that with our deficit & unemployment?
Ugh! Fool! When I say selective healthcare, I was talking about GOVERNMENT selecting who can get treatment! And the government doesn't deserve that kind of authority!
It's already a proven fact that privatized healthcare is better than government ran healthcare. many european countries are looking to the private sector to alleviate some of their healthcare costs.you can only tax and borrow so much to cover the costs.there is no such thing as "free".someone is always paying the bill.american ideals is based on freedom from coercion, socialized medicine is FORCE.American healthcare is 50% socialized,thats the problem.
You liberals are the fascists and you are unpatriotic. Your Vice President said so himself! You support tax cheats because you don't pay taxes. And you're a brown supremacist to boot.
1 in 6 people in the US don't have ANY health coverage, that's 15% of the population or almost 50,000,000 persons without access to primary or any health care...their "waiting" time to see a Doc is INFINITE.
ALL industrialized countries except the US have Universal GUARANTEED health care for ALL.
Only private profiteers like Insurance companies and their paid shills oppose Guaranteed Universal Health Care for all US Citizens.
Not having health insurance is not the same as not having health care. I am uninsured and want to stay that way. My medical bills dropped significantly when I lost my health insurance and I have several chronic problems. I have also had to endure government run health care and would not wish that on anyone. She is right in that there idea of controlling costs is to DENY care. How is that for coverage?
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Search here in YT for this video:
"Real People DENIED Real Health Care: Emily Cannon"
You will see VERY COMMON examples of DENIED care to people WITH insurance.
The ones without coverage are NOT given any care unless it is an emergency and then they are in debt for life or forced to file for bankruptcy. THIS is what happen when the Government does NOT run the health care system.
Insurance companies only have profits when they can keep the premiums, they do that by DENYING care !!!
SozialistischerTrau, I can see by your profile you're just another youtube TROLL! Stick you Socialist Government Where The Sun Don't Shine and Stay the fuck off of videos where you're not wanted.
I know that people are denied care by insurance companies. I am one of those persons. I have also been denied care by our own government when they were by "insurance" provider. Your problem is that you assume that insurance whether private or government run equals care. You have proved my point that it does not. And no, just because I don't have insurance does not mean that I don't and can't get care. It is actually CHEAPER and BETTER for me now!
Please explain to me how your car is cheaper and better without insurance? Are you on medicaid, or have you just renounced all wordly possessions and taken a job which pays cash so the hospitals/doctors can't garnish up to half your wages, like they do for the rest of us if we don't have insurance?
I'm serious, I want to know how I can get in on some of this free health care action.
Neither. Do the math. I was paying $18.00 per week just to have insurance through my employer. That is $936.00 per year. That does not include the copays at the counter. Now when I lost my job, I was offered health insurance at a rate of $350.00/month (minus prescription meds) by my provider. That is $4200 that I could have been paid in wages/year instead. I spend $850 per year on dr. visits, meds, and treatments. I dare you to add up your bills...
Now only half of my $850.00 in bills is covered by any plan (private or government). So what purpose is there in my paying for insurance? And yet this bill would fine me and punish me for not paying into a plan that does not cover my bills. And with what money am I suppose to pay for my treatments, if it is going to the government and to insurance? How is that helping me? Forcing me to spend my money is nothing more than a tax. And I make less than $250k/year...
I'm confused. You say that the $350/mo = $4200/yr that you could've been paid in wages instead. Are you implying that before you lost your job, you could have been paid that money instead?
Also, what happens if you need emergency surgery (e.g. appendicitis) or get cancer or something else unexpected? Insurance is mostly not for everyday bills (unless you have something truly "chronic," like diabetes), it's to pay for something unexpected and that would otherwise be financially catastrophic.
Yes. Companies are taxed on wages but not on health insurance, which is why many companies prefer to give health insurance as a benefit instead of just paying higher wages. Secondly, most health insurance plans (including what is mandated in this bill) is for managed care, not just catastrophic care. Thirdly, if I was payed the higher wages, I could have enough saved for emergency surgery w/out having to pay for a bureaucrat in the middle.
Fourthly, I DO have chronic conditions. Most of my urgent care needs can be provided outside of an E.R. and a hospital. In fact, I spent a good portion of my childhood in and out of the E.R. room, because it was the only place allowed by the government for to get breathing treatments. Now, you can get a prescription for a nebulizer to use at home, but you still need a prescription. Eliminate the whole prescription requirement, and you'll see massive savings in our system.
Fifthly, I am partially covered in the case of an Auto accident, due to living in the state of Michigan which requires me to carry the PIP rider on my car insurance. It is worth noting that the PIP rider costs $500/year, but would be a third the cost were I to move to the suburbs. In fact, the city of Detroit has a disproportionately large #of illegally uninsured motorists for this reason. The same will happen to health insurance if this bill passes.
The largest health care costs for most people would be for something catastrophic. Right now you are making an argument that YOU don't need health insurance because YOU are not dealing with something catastrophic. Can't you see that one day you MAY experience something catastrophic, and that every day, others are dealing with it?
You're being dishonest by posting here that you have such "low health care costs without insurance" when you're not even experiencing an expensive level of care.
What would it be like if you had appendicitis tonight and have to pay $19,000 within the next month or 2 to the hospitals and doctors. If I hadn't had insurance, that would've been a significant amount of my income--which I'm lucky to have in this economy. Or, what would happen if you have a car accident like a friend of mine and have to be airlifted and stay in a hospital for nearly a month? Her bill was over $1 million.
Just because not having health insurance costs you less right now doesn't mean that no one should ever get the opportunity to be able to choose it and afford it (which they can't under today's system). I'm lucky that I'm young enough that it costs "only" $170/mo. My grandmother was going to have to pay $800+ month when she lost her job that got farmed out to China by Quartuv's corporate buddies. Is that really fair? Make a 62 year old woman have to choose between health care and food or shelter?
Why the hell do you think I should pay for YOURS? Or your nanna's?
I have no doubt in my mind that you haven't read the healthcare reform bill. There's no measure in this country's history that has ever -EVER- been without spending caps; healthcare will be no exception. Gosh, how will the gubmint control costs? Rationing? Oh, it'll be free...IF it's made AVAILABLE! But if it doesn't extend your life beyond 6 months, or for less than $22,000, then have some aspirin to take the edge off dying!
There is NOTHING wrong or bad with a Socialized Health Care System...after all the US Military, Police, Firefighters, and the Government run Medicare and Medicaid are Socialized services.
It is a shame these paid shills continue trying to confuse and scare the US consumers with bogus claims against socialized medicine.
Medicare and Medicaid are more efficiently run than the Insurance run health care system where millions are used to enrich greedy CEO s at the expense of weak and sick people.
If you liberals care so much about government-run healthcare, tell all those who advocate it to go to one of those free clinics and not Johns Hopkins or Mayo.
You're proving their point entirely. If there was proper government-run healthcare, free clinics would provide good service. The reason free clinics are shit now is because of a lack of funding.
That's because military, police, and fire services actually give up a considerable part of their lives, and often times, their very lives themselves, which is a hell of a lot more than what hippie dole-scroungers give. So those are kind of well-deserved benefits.
My best friend in the Army and my landlord who was in the Air Force say the standard of care at most VA hospitals isn't great. They often have a bunch of young inexperienced docs who are just "doing their time" to fulfill their requirement after having their student loans paid for.
However, I'd be happy to receive the standard of care I used to receive in Canada when I lived there, rather than pay $165/mo for it like I do right now here, plus $3000 fees for having my appendix out 2 months ago.
How old are you? Old enough or paranoid of a healthnut enough to actually need healthcare? Because at 30, I still don't seem to need it, barring incidents for the ER. And doctors can't refuse to treat patients.
Explain how imposing unConstitutitutional healthcare will solve anything, ESPECIALLY since it will expand the number patients but not the number of doctors & nurses. Where's the incentive to become a doctor when he/she must work 4 days out of the week just to pay off liability insurance?!
27. You can't be very smart, since you think that having appendicitis is somehow dependent on your age or that you should only get insurance if you think you're at high risk.
Where did I say doctors would refuse to treat patients? They'll just send you to collections when you can't make their payments.
Do you consider car insurance unconstitutional?
It will solve people going bankrupt from doctors' bills. I pay 2.5x as much for health insurance as car insurance--how does that make sense?!
As far as incentive for becoming a doctor, I have some experience in that department since I have several friends in med school and am applying myself. Most people want to become doctors to help people, so they would be happy if everyone was able to receive care.
Liability insurance is a separate issue which could be ameliorated by introducing caps on damages and increasing the standards to bring cases to trial. Doctors right now spend a significant amount of time dealing with insurance co's.
Equating being a doctor to being a mechanic, eh? Maybe they both deserve the same level of income, right? Now THAT might bring down health insurance, wouldn't it?
Besides, it's absolute retardation to believe our system can sustain Obamacare when our budget is in the hole & only going deeper.
Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are the unfunded liabilities that added to our deficit to the tune of about $63 trillion. Do you realize that's more money than the entire world makes?
In a couple years (if not sooner) we'll be paying for the INTEREST on those liabilities, not the PRINCIPLE!
Healthcare will not work! If passed, it will be a SHIT system!
Well, our system obviously couldn't sustain the Bush tax cuts for the rich, which cost the country ~$600 billion in tax revenues during his time in office, nor the $4/gal that gas nearly reached. But, as long as those problems don't overburden you, then that's acceptable, right?
Oh, but they'll overburden you AGAIN under Obama! Doesn't that just make you feel all brainlessly warm & inclusive-like? See, with the idiotic cap & trade scam PLUS a rescission of workers' rights to secret ballot (you just CAN'T justify THAT, can you?) EVERYTHING that costs ANYTHING will go up in price, yo free munney will buy just about jack shit, & gas prices will go over $4 (which Obastard has stated he has no problem with)
Damn! I can't believe you just baited me with a red herring!
We won't have to worry as much about gas prices with a president who supports green technologies. I wouldn't care at all about high gas prices if I could get an electric/hybrid Ford F-series--problem was, green tech wasn't profitable for Ford when Bush was creating policies to benefit his rich oil buddies.
Where did you get your previous $63 trillion figure from? Sounds made up.
As far as your ad hominem arguments, sarcasm and ridicule are the last bastion of the ignorant.
"Sarcasm & ignorance, NURRRR!" How small of you! How simple-minded! You think someone who's seen the numbers and then saw the subsequentially STUPID government spending would be boring in his rebuttal? Puh-leaze! The $63 trillion is a CONSERVATIVE estimate based onn the unfunded liabilities that derive from Ponzi scams like Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. CONSERVATIVE!!! Other estimates have our debt topping $100 trillion with those liabilities!
Please cite your sources, and make sure they're not from some conservative "think-tank" (which is itself an oxymoron).
All your attacks are for naught, because whether you like it or not, we have the power. Hopefully a few Repub justices will croak in the next few years and we can replace them with progressive activists that will make sure that there are less small-minded, ignorant, prejudiced people like you in the next generation :)
Apparently you aren't aware of the definition of "ad hominem." But that's okay, since I doubt you ever even graduated high school, let alone went to college LOL. Loser. See, that's "ad hominem.". At least I'm an educated idiot who makes more $ than you and still has compassion for people less fortunate than myself.
Also, you still haven't cited your data, so as of now I'm calling B.S. on that--you're just slinging mud and making things up. You're nothing more than white trash--more ad hominem.
It's always nice to see all of the Ontario license plates in the hospitals around my house. Anything urgent, Canada sends 'em over to the border. Canada's bogus insurance plan wouldn't work without the USA.
The baby that died from the new flu in Texas was a Mexican kid who was said to come to the US for medical treatment of another illness he already had. The US should stop allowing illegals to burden our hospitals with free healthcare. There are thousands of them who come here to give birth alone.
I agree with you there, along with all the children who are born here and given "birthright citizenship" according to a flawed interpretation of the 14th Amendment's *jus soli* clause.
Um, Canada doesn't "send" them. They're paying cash out of their own pockets to get faster service because they have the money.
It's funny how this "news" story doesn't comment at all on the fact that the government is just trying to give a public option so that everyone can be covered--private insurance will still exist and be an option. The companies (and hence, Fox News) don't want this, since they don't want to lose any profits. It's just like the ISP's trying to stop community net access.
Sally go home knobody is buying your snake oil here.
MsZeitgeist85 2 months ago
That woman is nuts.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
Liar, Liar, Liar. France has just as many world leaders going there for surgery and has as many if not more advances in procedures and medicine as here in the United States.
As for Socialized medicine being so awful, I have a left hand only because the British medical system was willing to perform some brand new and very expensive techniques on me that the US military was unwilling to do. They wanted to amputate this dependents hand many years ago. My father took a chance and it worked.
rmacevoy 1 year ago
1 mounth = 16 weeks so how do you wait 17.3 weeks in 16 weeks?
ikeones 1 year ago
I wish I had access to socialized medicine. Here in America I got charged $1,600 for the 20 minutes in the hospital it took them to tell me I had pneumonia, which was pretty obvious, and that didn't include the antibiotics. I had to pay for those anyway.
newdimensionfilms 1 year ago
Omg he knows that he's lying and people are dying and he doesn't fucking care
ulyquime99 1 year ago
17.3 weeks? Maybe for a small northern rural town and if the care was non-essential but believe me, if it was a life-threatening issue, the patient would be sent to a major city where the treatment was available. I can afford to go to the US, but never needed to simply because any sort of treatment I needed was delivered quickly. Last major issue (and it was serious) took a grand total of 5 days to be treated and resolved. I never paid a penny, no insurance companies denying me for a PEC, etc...
TheSheiban 1 year ago
Americans! Wake up! Beck is a circus road show. His aim is to provoke people and garner ratings.
I AM CANADIAN. This is NOT the truth. Yes, there may be waits for some procedures. But essential care is NEVER held from our citizens.
I am living in the US (temporarily). A colleague, who is INSURED, recently suffered a brain aneurysm. His insurance company only covered 80% and he was left with a $10,000 bill.
If that's the best in the world.... Canada doesn't want it!!
handwedge11 1 year ago
How does someone like this woman even stand to live with herself?
Misinforming for special interests pays pretty well, and she's on a show whose host is a perfect example of that.
I hope your money comforts you when you look back at your life and realize how many people you've screwed out of the chance afford a doctor.
stama9 1 year ago 2
Hey every nation's medical system is flawed, somehow. It's the abuses of each respective system that must be fixed.
Ariadne404 2 years ago
This is propaganda. I'm Canadian. This is retarded. Stop misusing Canada.
jschlamp 2 years ago
@jschlamp, I agree with you. I'm a Canadian who spent the first 39 years of his life in Canada before moving to the US and I'm tired of this anti-Canada propaganda. While living in Quebec I've required medical help from time to time and NEVER did I have to wait 17 weeks to see a specialist, not even close. Corporate puppets like Beck rely on a lazy, uninformed audience who have no idea how the Canadian system works and therefore more susceptible to believing Beck's lies.
trader1963 1 year ago 3
And the right wing won't be happy until they turn America into something like Chile under Pinochet.
PsychoPunk1965 2 years ago
HAHA. CONSERVATIVE FAIL!!!! lol. Oh Wait, thats the only thing they seem to do.
redrOesreveR 2 years ago
Glen Becktard: Proof that greed has no bounds.
bubba5000 2 years ago
I hope everyone here understands that this video is almost a joke. Most of what is displayed here is inaccurate misrepresentation of information. Do your research Canada has one of the most affordable, AND accessable health care. And btw the American people was to create equality, equality is not exploitation like that is being done by the health insurance companies in the United states
sinatrabooth89 2 years ago
I think you misunderstand the mission of the American commonwealth. The constitution is about LIBERTY not EQUALITY. There is a difference. All the origninal ten amendments give us liberty and none of them say anything like "All Americans should have private property in equality and equal pay." When absollute equality is forced on a population liberty sufferes and the constitution is about liberty. Russia is an example of no liberty and absolute equality. -sirjustin B.S. History.
sirjustin511 2 years ago
@sirjustin511, telling others to do research may be your way to insinuate you are informed but you aren't. Fact, the US spends the most per capita on healthcare while not covering everyone. Fact, the US ranks 37th in the world for healthcare. Fact, over 60% of all US bankruptcies are due to medical bills and about 3/4 of those people HAD insurance. Fact, the infant mortality rate in the US is higher than at least 40 other countries in the world. You need to reply with facts instead of BS.
trader1963 1 year ago
Sound like you don't know what you are speaking of. you could afford to do some research of you own and I am not talking about watching CNN or Fox. Get off your rear, shut off youtube and do YOUR research and critical thinking, a person who mimics what others think, may as well not have a brain. (Sounds like you mimic Michael Moore, CNN and our lame president Barack Obama.
sirjustin511 2 years ago
Beck is a clown. Look at him with his goofy faces and his props. Is this a news show or a kid's show?
The reason the US even looking at socialized medicine is the price is out of control here. This is why many Americans will go to other countries to have surgeries at a discount.
I just went to a hospital and they charged me over $9000 to tell me I had a kidney stone and did nothing for me. $9000 to do NOTHING? Where can I get a piece of that action?
hgryphon 2 years ago 4
live longer in Canada? yup
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 2 years ago
I want the same health plan all our politicians have.
halbie71 2 years ago
this is fox news enough said, but i do agree that private health care does give a better service, but what about the poor ?, the people who cant manage.
ThisMoniker 2 years ago 2
I've lived in both Canada and the U.S. and I'm an Independent, FYI.
Privatized health care is better than nationalized, there's no question. However, it's only better for those who can afford it!
I recently had appendicitis. I pay for my own health insurance at $170/mo. Now I owe $3,000 between the copay etc. If I hadn't had insurance, I'd owe ~$30,000! Everything would have been free in Canada. Thankfully, I just graduated so can afford it
Don't you people have compassion for the poor?
ibnuts 2 years ago
ibnuts compassion for the poor? Would it be OK if all the "poor" Americans illegally immigrated to Canada & took advantage all the social services, governmment handouts including medical treatment?
halbie71 2 years ago
Did I say somewhere I was illegal?
I don't support illegals getting free health care either, but that doesn't mean that the hard-working poor should have to go without or that middle-class families should lose their homes to be able to afford to go to the doctor or pay for medications.
ibnuts 2 years ago
ibnuts what I'm getting at is if the U.S. has a national health care plan, we will get more legal & illegal immigrants. The Democrats like that because the more give aways they give the more votes, hence Democrats stay in power.
halbie71 2 years ago
Ah, I see what you're saying, and agree with you when it comes to legal immigrants; but legals are generally educated people who contribute to society.
However, I think we'll continue to have a ton of illegals coming here no matter what. They don't need to worry about health care, since they just go to the ER and don't pay their bills. Their "anchor babies" can all get free health care currently under Medicaid.
It's the decent/honest people that are affected by the current situation.
ibnuts 2 years ago
This video is the reason why I WANT Obama to fail! I don't want the government deciding what kind of surgery I need! It's my body, and NO ONE, especially NOT the government, is going to decide what care I need. This is what would happen if healthcare is nationalized. For goodness sake's, what is wrong with your average "American" liberal?!?!?
occles 2 years ago
Firstly, with national healthcare, you are not forced into surgery. That's a really stupid assumption to make, and I don't know who told you that.
Secondly, even if you were (which you WOULDN'T be because that's RETARDED) the people deciding it would be DOCTORS. But then, they've been through a lot of education, so you probably think Satan has got them by now, right?
Mosniff 2 years ago
Aside from the pathetic insult about my religion (which further just makes you look immature and stupid), did I ever say that the government was going to force me to have surgery if I didn't need it? LOL, well I can sure tell that you were paying close attention to what I was writing. Anyway, I said when I eventually BECAME sick I didn't want the government influencing the decisions of the doctors to decide what KIND of surgery I need, because the government is going to be regulating it (cont.)
occles 2 years ago
Therefore, the government will have the final say-so in what the system can afford to give me in terms of healthcare, and the doctors will be answering to government officials. Didn't you even watch this newsclip? But let me guess, the woman talking to Glenn Beck is lying right? She REALLY doesn't know what it's like to have socialized healthcare right? She only lives in Canada with a smaller population than ours, so why should we believe what she says? LOL!
occles 2 years ago
Thank God I live in Canada!
Lie to yourselves and each other...no skin off my nose.
If my husband lived in the states, he'd be bankrupt by now.
This horrible healthcare you speak of paid for ON TIME colonoscopies, mri s, surgery AND medication for his serious disease which costs $30,000 per year. Yup, 30K! And my husband is being cared for with the latest medical treatment and he doesn't have to sell the house to get it.
Glad that people like Glenn and his guest are so rich they can laugh.
Opiman000 2 years ago
American democracy spoke quite clearly in the 2008 election. Obama has been handed considerable political capital that will be spent modernizing an antiquated and over lobbied system. Antiamerican neofascist circlejerks need to get out of our great nation if they're so unpatriotic as to be unable to support our president at this critical moment in history. p.s. 4 more years in 2012- suck on that!
NOSTRANONYMOUS 2 years ago
NOSTRANONYMOUS, You are a commie FAG!
USoSilly2Me 2 years ago
get with the program or get out, ignorant bigots need not apply
NOSTRANONYMOUS 2 years ago
NOSTRANONYMOUS, I am with the program and it's called The United States of America! Ignorant Bigots like you need to get the fuck out! We don't need you here and I can't wait to kick your ass OUT in the Revolution!
USoSilly2Me 2 years ago
You liberals are the ignorant bigots. You think Communism is the solution to everything!
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
Wrong answer, Nostradumbass. We, the true patriots who love our liberty, are going to stay and fight your totalitarian power-mongering commie idols. And we WILL win our freedom back!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
You think everything that isn't your point of view is communism. Nationalised healthcare's purpose is to provide healthcare for everyone. Y'know, compassion for your fellow American?
No?
Well it was a pretty big word.
Mosniff 2 years ago 2
No, I just happen to know the TRUTH!
Obamas healthcare scheme would follow the $700 billion TARP bailout, the $787 billion stimulus, & a $410 billion, earmark-laden budget appropriation - when the national debt already exceeds $11 trillion. Add the abolishment of private healthcare to that and what does it get you in less than a decade? SELECTIVE healthcare! It will bloat -once again- spending & borrowing by the government. Do you honestly think we need that with our deficit & unemployment?
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
So free healthcare is selective healthcare, whereas privatised healthcare isn't.
Regardless, if you did get selective healthcare, that wouldn't be communism either you right wing nutjob.
Mosniff 2 years ago
Ugh! Fool! When I say selective healthcare, I was talking about GOVERNMENT selecting who can get treatment! And the government doesn't deserve that kind of authority!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
It's already a proven fact that privatized healthcare is better than government ran healthcare. many european countries are looking to the private sector to alleviate some of their healthcare costs.you can only tax and borrow so much to cover the costs.there is no such thing as "free".someone is always paying the bill.american ideals is based on freedom from coercion, socialized medicine is FORCE.American healthcare is 50% socialized,thats the problem.
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
You liberals are the fascists and you are unpatriotic. Your Vice President said so himself! You support tax cheats because you don't pay taxes. And you're a brown supremacist to boot.
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
1 in 6 people in the US don't have ANY health coverage, that's 15% of the population or almost 50,000,000 persons without access to primary or any health care...their "waiting" time to see a Doc is INFINITE.
ALL industrialized countries except the US have Universal GUARANTEED health care for ALL.
Only private profiteers like Insurance companies and their paid shills oppose Guaranteed Universal Health Care for all US Citizens.
SozialistischerTrau 2 years ago
Not having health insurance is not the same as not having health care. I am uninsured and want to stay that way. My medical bills dropped significantly when I lost my health insurance and I have several chronic problems. I have also had to endure government run health care and would not wish that on anyone. She is right in that there idea of controlling costs is to DENY care. How is that for coverage?
TracyII77 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Search here in YT for this video:
"Real People DENIED Real Health Care: Emily Cannon"
You will see VERY COMMON examples of DENIED care to people WITH insurance.
The ones without coverage are NOT given any care unless it is an emergency and then they are in debt for life or forced to file for bankruptcy. THIS is what happen when the Government does NOT run the health care system.
Insurance companies only have profits when they can keep the premiums, they do that by DENYING care !!!
SozialistischerTrau 2 years ago
SozialistischerTrau, I can see by your profile you're just another youtube TROLL! Stick you Socialist Government Where The Sun Don't Shine and Stay the fuck off of videos where you're not wanted.
USoSilly2Me 2 years ago 2
I know that people are denied care by insurance companies. I am one of those persons. I have also been denied care by our own government when they were by "insurance" provider. Your problem is that you assume that insurance whether private or government run equals care. You have proved my point that it does not. And no, just because I don't have insurance does not mean that I don't and can't get care. It is actually CHEAPER and BETTER for me now!
TracyII77 2 years ago
Please explain to me how your car is cheaper and better without insurance? Are you on medicaid, or have you just renounced all wordly possessions and taken a job which pays cash so the hospitals/doctors can't garnish up to half your wages, like they do for the rest of us if we don't have insurance?
I'm serious, I want to know how I can get in on some of this free health care action.
ibnuts 2 years ago
Neither. Do the math. I was paying $18.00 per week just to have insurance through my employer. That is $936.00 per year. That does not include the copays at the counter. Now when I lost my job, I was offered health insurance at a rate of $350.00/month (minus prescription meds) by my provider. That is $4200 that I could have been paid in wages/year instead. I spend $850 per year on dr. visits, meds, and treatments. I dare you to add up your bills...
TracyII77 2 years ago
Now only half of my $850.00 in bills is covered by any plan (private or government). So what purpose is there in my paying for insurance? And yet this bill would fine me and punish me for not paying into a plan that does not cover my bills. And with what money am I suppose to pay for my treatments, if it is going to the government and to insurance? How is that helping me? Forcing me to spend my money is nothing more than a tax. And I make less than $250k/year...
TracyII77 2 years ago
I'm confused. You say that the $350/mo = $4200/yr that you could've been paid in wages instead. Are you implying that before you lost your job, you could have been paid that money instead?
Also, what happens if you need emergency surgery (e.g. appendicitis) or get cancer or something else unexpected? Insurance is mostly not for everyday bills (unless you have something truly "chronic," like diabetes), it's to pay for something unexpected and that would otherwise be financially catastrophic.
ibnuts 2 years ago
Yes. Companies are taxed on wages but not on health insurance, which is why many companies prefer to give health insurance as a benefit instead of just paying higher wages. Secondly, most health insurance plans (including what is mandated in this bill) is for managed care, not just catastrophic care. Thirdly, if I was payed the higher wages, I could have enough saved for emergency surgery w/out having to pay for a bureaucrat in the middle.
TracyII77 2 years ago
Fourthly, I DO have chronic conditions. Most of my urgent care needs can be provided outside of an E.R. and a hospital. In fact, I spent a good portion of my childhood in and out of the E.R. room, because it was the only place allowed by the government for to get breathing treatments. Now, you can get a prescription for a nebulizer to use at home, but you still need a prescription. Eliminate the whole prescription requirement, and you'll see massive savings in our system.
TracyII77 2 years ago
Fifthly, I am partially covered in the case of an Auto accident, due to living in the state of Michigan which requires me to carry the PIP rider on my car insurance. It is worth noting that the PIP rider costs $500/year, but would be a third the cost were I to move to the suburbs. In fact, the city of Detroit has a disproportionately large #of illegally uninsured motorists for this reason. The same will happen to health insurance if this bill passes.
TracyII77 2 years ago
Oh gee! You blocked me. You must be sooooo brave! Tell all your chunky girlfriends what a keyboard warrior you are!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
The largest health care costs for most people would be for something catastrophic. Right now you are making an argument that YOU don't need health insurance because YOU are not dealing with something catastrophic. Can't you see that one day you MAY experience something catastrophic, and that every day, others are dealing with it?
You're being dishonest by posting here that you have such "low health care costs without insurance" when you're not even experiencing an expensive level of care.
ibnuts 2 years ago
What would it be like if you had appendicitis tonight and have to pay $19,000 within the next month or 2 to the hospitals and doctors. If I hadn't had insurance, that would've been a significant amount of my income--which I'm lucky to have in this economy. Or, what would happen if you have a car accident like a friend of mine and have to be airlifted and stay in a hospital for nearly a month? Her bill was over $1 million.
ibnuts 2 years ago
Just because not having health insurance costs you less right now doesn't mean that no one should ever get the opportunity to be able to choose it and afford it (which they can't under today's system). I'm lucky that I'm young enough that it costs "only" $170/mo. My grandmother was going to have to pay $800+ month when she lost her job that got farmed out to China by Quartuv's corporate buddies. Is that really fair? Make a 62 year old woman have to choose between health care and food or shelter?
ibnuts 2 years ago
Why the hell do you think I should pay for YOURS? Or your nanna's?
I have no doubt in my mind that you haven't read the healthcare reform bill. There's no measure in this country's history that has ever -EVER- been without spending caps; healthcare will be no exception. Gosh, how will the gubmint control costs? Rationing? Oh, it'll be free...IF it's made AVAILABLE! But if it doesn't extend your life beyond 6 months, or for less than $22,000, then have some aspirin to take the edge off dying!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
There is NOTHING wrong or bad with a Socialized Health Care System...after all the US Military, Police, Firefighters, and the Government run Medicare and Medicaid are Socialized services.
It is a shame these paid shills continue trying to confuse and scare the US consumers with bogus claims against socialized medicine.
Medicare and Medicaid are more efficiently run than the Insurance run health care system where millions are used to enrich greedy CEO s at the expense of weak and sick people.
SozialistischerTrau 2 years ago
If you liberals care so much about government-run healthcare, tell all those who advocate it to go to one of those free clinics and not Johns Hopkins or Mayo.
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago 2
You're proving their point entirely. If there was proper government-run healthcare, free clinics would provide good service. The reason free clinics are shit now is because of a lack of funding.
Do you see?
Mosniff 2 years ago
Do you think people like Michael Moore, who praises Cuba, sneaks to Havana for his annual checkup?
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
Really don't see your point.
Mosniff 2 years ago
That's because military, police, and fire services actually give up a considerable part of their lives, and often times, their very lives themselves, which is a hell of a lot more than what hippie dole-scroungers give. So those are kind of well-deserved benefits.
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago 2
My best friend in the Army and my landlord who was in the Air Force say the standard of care at most VA hospitals isn't great. They often have a bunch of young inexperienced docs who are just "doing their time" to fulfill their requirement after having their student loans paid for.
However, I'd be happy to receive the standard of care I used to receive in Canada when I lived there, rather than pay $165/mo for it like I do right now here, plus $3000 fees for having my appendix out 2 months ago.
ibnuts 2 years ago
How old are you? Old enough or paranoid of a healthnut enough to actually need healthcare? Because at 30, I still don't seem to need it, barring incidents for the ER. And doctors can't refuse to treat patients.
Explain how imposing unConstitutitutional healthcare will solve anything, ESPECIALLY since it will expand the number patients but not the number of doctors & nurses. Where's the incentive to become a doctor when he/she must work 4 days out of the week just to pay off liability insurance?!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
27. You can't be very smart, since you think that having appendicitis is somehow dependent on your age or that you should only get insurance if you think you're at high risk.
Where did I say doctors would refuse to treat patients? They'll just send you to collections when you can't make their payments.
Do you consider car insurance unconstitutional?
It will solve people going bankrupt from doctors' bills. I pay 2.5x as much for health insurance as car insurance--how does that make sense?!
ibnuts 2 years ago
As far as incentive for becoming a doctor, I have some experience in that department since I have several friends in med school and am applying myself. Most people want to become doctors to help people, so they would be happy if everyone was able to receive care.
Liability insurance is a separate issue which could be ameliorated by introducing caps on damages and increasing the standards to bring cases to trial. Doctors right now spend a significant amount of time dealing with insurance co's.
ibnuts 2 years ago
Equating being a doctor to being a mechanic, eh? Maybe they both deserve the same level of income, right? Now THAT might bring down health insurance, wouldn't it?
How many years of college do mechanics need, btw?
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
Besides, it's absolute retardation to believe our system can sustain Obamacare when our budget is in the hole & only going deeper.
Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are the unfunded liabilities that added to our deficit to the tune of about $63 trillion. Do you realize that's more money than the entire world makes?
In a couple years (if not sooner) we'll be paying for the INTEREST on those liabilities, not the PRINCIPLE!
Healthcare will not work! If passed, it will be a SHIT system!
SHIT!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
Well, our system obviously couldn't sustain the Bush tax cuts for the rich, which cost the country ~$600 billion in tax revenues during his time in office, nor the $4/gal that gas nearly reached. But, as long as those problems don't overburden you, then that's acceptable, right?
ibnuts 2 years ago
Oh, but they'll overburden you AGAIN under Obama! Doesn't that just make you feel all brainlessly warm & inclusive-like? See, with the idiotic cap & trade scam PLUS a rescission of workers' rights to secret ballot (you just CAN'T justify THAT, can you?) EVERYTHING that costs ANYTHING will go up in price, yo free munney will buy just about jack shit, & gas prices will go over $4 (which Obastard has stated he has no problem with)
Damn! I can't believe you just baited me with a red herring!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
We won't have to worry as much about gas prices with a president who supports green technologies. I wouldn't care at all about high gas prices if I could get an electric/hybrid Ford F-series--problem was, green tech wasn't profitable for Ford when Bush was creating policies to benefit his rich oil buddies.
Where did you get your previous $63 trillion figure from? Sounds made up.
As far as your ad hominem arguments, sarcasm and ridicule are the last bastion of the ignorant.
ibnuts 2 years ago
"Sarcasm & ignorance, NURRRR!" How small of you! How simple-minded! You think someone who's seen the numbers and then saw the subsequentially STUPID government spending would be boring in his rebuttal? Puh-leaze! The $63 trillion is a CONSERVATIVE estimate based onn the unfunded liabilities that derive from Ponzi scams like Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. CONSERVATIVE!!! Other estimates have our debt topping $100 trillion with those liabilities!
So much for goddamned government!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
Again with the ad hominem arguments.
Please cite your sources, and make sure they're not from some conservative "think-tank" (which is itself an oxymoron).
All your attacks are for naught, because whether you like it or not, we have the power. Hopefully a few Repub justices will croak in the next few years and we can replace them with progressive activists that will make sure that there are less small-minded, ignorant, prejudiced people like you in the next generation :)
ibnuts 2 years ago
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QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
Apparently you aren't aware of the definition of "ad hominem." But that's okay, since I doubt you ever even graduated high school, let alone went to college LOL. Loser. See, that's "ad hominem.". At least I'm an educated idiot who makes more $ than you and still has compassion for people less fortunate than myself.
Also, you still haven't cited your data, so as of now I'm calling B.S. on that--you're just slinging mud and making things up. You're nothing more than white trash--more ad hominem.
ibnuts 2 years ago
UPI (dot) com, whiner, in an article titled "National debt at $545,668 per household"
Making what up?
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
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SozialistischerTrau 2 years ago
Michael Moore is a commie fag!
Nickk361 2 years ago 3
When you see a commie liberal asspuppet on the street PUNCH THEM IN THE FACE!!! that's my new MOTTO!!!!!!!!!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
This is exactly what Euro-Trash anything is ! Just one step closer to Russian Bread lines !
starcatcher7774 2 years ago
It's always nice to see all of the Ontario license plates in the hospitals around my house. Anything urgent, Canada sends 'em over to the border. Canada's bogus insurance plan wouldn't work without the USA.
MidNightRider2001 2 years ago 2
Midnight:
Carry an Ice Pick with you: You cannot repair the side walls to a tire no matter how small the hole :)
starcatcher7774 2 years ago
The baby that died from the new flu in Texas was a Mexican kid who was said to come to the US for medical treatment of another illness he already had. The US should stop allowing illegals to burden our hospitals with free healthcare. There are thousands of them who come here to give birth alone.
Nickk361 2 years ago 3
I agree with you there, along with all the children who are born here and given "birthright citizenship" according to a flawed interpretation of the 14th Amendment's *jus soli* clause.
ibnuts 2 years ago
Um, Canada doesn't "send" them. They're paying cash out of their own pockets to get faster service because they have the money.
It's funny how this "news" story doesn't comment at all on the fact that the government is just trying to give a public option so that everyone can be covered--private insurance will still exist and be an option. The companies (and hence, Fox News) don't want this, since they don't want to lose any profits. It's just like the ISP's trying to stop community net access.
ibnuts 2 years ago