Is 2 Oz copper PCB really necessary?

[kokfah]

wow, this is the first time i've ever seen someone actually saying something from another company is not good compared to theirs.. and actually mentioning the brand directly. its like saying "booo hooo, gigabyte, i want to kick ur ass".

[pyroromancer]

Theres too much being left off the screen.

Such as ambient environment temperature. The tester may have cranked up the AC to unreasonable cold settings to achieve results.

The producing is terrible as well. He showed us the CPU was running at 100% at the begining of the video but there's no indication that the CPU is still running those condititions when viewing the IR monitor. There is no indication that its the same test bed.

With that said. anything can be achieved with crafty producing.

[lst2freak]

love chris how he talks about gigabyte us piece of crap

[Films4You]

100 Degs C= Boiling water My CPU runs at about 55 Degs so where do they get this from

[dan37w]

Truthfully I'm very happy with my Asrock AM3 board, yeah it is cheaper but I don't understand why that is a problem.

I had an Asus and it was good too, but for an average user Asrock is quite good IMO.

And frankly I heard many people with issues with gigabyte boards I don't understand why I should be paying 30 % more for a gigabyte or asus board instead of an asrock board, they all do the SAME thing...

This is just like when folks think they need a 1000-1200W psu for an I7 / GTX 570 system...

[PhuckHue2]

AssRocks is cheap junk. I only buy ATI, the best

[GolzeD2009]

@PhuckHue2 ASRock, ATI. WHAT??

[MajorisGaming]

Gigabyte better then cheap shit like Asrock

[tmdsl]

assrock

[k4ZE106]

haha yeah right i guess the mosfets would run cool if i only put 1.158 volts on the CPU (considering it runs 1.35V stock) and archive the clock by upping the multi.

[KeepingModern]

My overclocking video will show you that 2 oz of copper is beneficial for my setup, stock cooling but 20% overclock factor achieved.

[COLDB33R]

@KeepingModern Plus,

If your case supports it you could put an inexpensive fan UNDER your CPU to cool the lower side of the motherboard. That way you could lower the temperature of the entire system - memory and chipset too, LOTS cheaper than a third party cooler. All you need is a hole in the tray - usually they facilitate installing the cooler. It seems to me the heavier copper would provide some benefit if you did this.

[Stn3dRaid3r]

Why do you people tend to correct other people's wrong spelling ? I just can't understand the point of telling somebody that he spelled this fucking word or that fucking word wrong, what's up ?

[ladybumavere]

Because if he/she cannot communicate correctly no one will ever understand him/her, and if everyone accepts that incorrect spelling as the standard, then he/she is destroying the English language.

[Stn3dRaid3r]

lol! I understand you saying about the standard, that's weak. But destroying English language ? There ain't much to destroy, people just tend to give it they own slang. Which is often fun :)

[sam1280893]

degree celsius or degrees celsius..lol

[olo567]

Wow. This is how you run an experiment? You're assuming that just because running at 100% gets you those temperatures, and GB's page lists a temperature that's higher, we're going to infer what? Overclock it, keep it running for days, then see what the temperature of the MOSFETs are.

[XxaravixX]

i dont give a rats ass gigabytes way better than asrock

[agntroboy1995]

so true

[menetoo]

hey dude @0:38 how do i open up that window ? reply me quickly plz, thanks

[TornTech]

its a program called CPU-Z.

You can download it free. Just google it

[jannenorring]

AsRock kicks ass!!!!

[XxaravixX]

"asrock kicks ass" my ass

[gabry135]

asrock, with p45 motherboard's are a very bad product, there are many instability and pc overclock is null.

thanks asrock, now I buy gigabyte p45.

[Milethza]

"Degreeses"?

[costi08]

bullshit.. gigabyte rullzz

[Wolfie123123]

ASSrock more like.

[rail3945]

not with amd mobos though

[Wolfie123123]

I know that most of the LGA 775 motherboards are shit, but as a budget AMD thing, yeah.

Asus are the nicest.

[shadow1021]

most of the people who are bitching about the asrock board obviosly dont own 1 and base there "facts" off of other brands. i have owned an nvidia 680i an msi p6n platinum an nvidia 790i and an asrock p45 all of which used the same hardware. the highest stable clock i could get out of my q6600 was 3.1 ghz on all boards accept the asrock. on the asrock i have it at 3.4 and can still push it. the asrock board is a very reliable board and im very happy with it screw all who flame and have no info.

[hobolooter]

degreeses?

[edukazzz]

Nice vids People I JUst build my New PC with Penryn1600SLIX3-WiFi...it Not the newest But it still rocks .... ASRock RIPS heads OF

[Dargakis]

seeing you guys work makes me want to build a pc again!

great videos and i'll get an asrock if i build a pc next time.

Greetings from Holland

[tubester4567]

Is there any funny business here? I dont know. Could be all smoke and mirrors. I dont know why we still have heat issues .

[tms217]

The only issue with this vid is that we do not know the conditions of the other board. It would be nice to see the exact test setup for both boards.

[jackaroon]

They'd have to be insane to ever get to 125 in the first place. Whose PC runs that hot? It's ridiculous. If my CPU hit 70, I'd be disappointed. Too knock 50 degrees off of that, they'd need a refrigerator, not two ounces of copper.

Gigabyte should know better than to say something that weird, and I'm surprised Asrock's criticism wasn't more straightforward.

[BrainLostJoker]

they are not talking of the cpu temperature. It's the mosfets (?) that get that hot. They can withstand much higher temperatures.

[merlion86]

I guess you had failed your class. Asrock needs less power compared to Asus boards are due to poor power management design, and 5% performance less means alot..

As for your cooler theory.. you scored a "F". Check those high performance coolers in the market, 99% have huge fins and are close to components.. So that heat disspiation is better.

[Elkarlo77]

For the others:

Asrock goes for the Mid Performance Range as MSI goes. And leave the Highperformance Part for Asus. Asrock boards needs lesser Power then Asus boards. (Same Chipset) but don't go for the last 5% in Speed. So Asus and Asrock splittet their Marketshares. GA goes from midclass to highclass with around 5 Years back in tweaking experience as Asus, and now have some problems with the Heat. They go the Brute force not the smart way. Asrock is unfair as they don't go high performance.

[Elkarlo77]

I am Student of Computerscience.

When you Look Closely you see the Stock Intel "Cyclone" type Coolers on both CPu's (The Characteristics can be seen on the Images).

The Coolers don't like close Elements, wires to close about 30% less Air flow. When you look close again you see the coolers on the Board from GA. They are to close.. design failure. And this is reported on several sides that the Ga boards are rather hot with Intel Stock coolers. Design error, from GA.

[staple132]

Asrock this ain't a nice way to gain market share nor effective! btw never used an asrock board ever, and have no intention to..

But I'll agree not to use more copper 'in' boards, why not use them as heatsinks, though it will use more copper it will function better and is easier to recycle.

[V3NOMDAWG]

1.1 V on the cpu! wat the?

dont u just love how conspiratable asrock gets? "some OTHER motherboard companies..." i own a asrock mobo and it limits my overclock not my cpu or ram! POS. did you know asrock is actually a subsidary of ASUS? they make cheap pieces of shit and try to wheedle you around to buy them instead of quality boards..

[methanbreather]

so go buy an overclocker board.

You are buying a cheap board meant for standard user and then you are complaining?

Stupid.

[V3NOMDAWG]

well the intel 945 wasnt meant for overclocking either but it doesnt have a 290mhz fsb wall..

[methanbreather]

so what?

You bought a board not meant for serious overtclocking and then you call it POS because it does not overclock as far as others. That is stupid. Nothing else. Get a grip of reality, or even better, get a life. I am at my fourth asrock board now. I don't overclock - and they are not only cheap - they work. Their bios is less buggy than some crap from more expensive vendors. Their boards are STABLE. And that is the most important thing about a mobo.

[V3NOMDAWG]

you don't overclock? fool. i call asrock mobos POS's because they are a cheap subsidary of asus. an intel board at the same price will overclock much better. via northbridges are a horrible business decision.

How are more expensive boards not stable? at extreme overclocks, maybe not but at stock they fly.

[Reginawalden]

U can better say: Asus is a B-subsidary of Asrock..Asus really sucks the hell out of ya.. alway complaining about RAM..Asrock works like a charm

[LPMa007]

Just check Giga web site, they removed the Infrared thermal diagram...interesting, something is strange isn't it ???

[V3NOMDAWG]

no they didnt... i clicked on their ad and its still there... i was surprised about 120-170 degrees on a motherboard! WOW!

[LPMa007]

To merlion86

It seems GA also apply cooler fan during the test, you can see the big black round thing on the thermal diagram. It's CPU cooler...

[truthwinsalways]

@ LPMa007

Can't you see the difference? It is a waterblock cooler on the GIGABYTE board vs a fan cooler on the ASROCK. That is the reason for the 120-170 temps on the components. A waterblock will cool the CPU area down, but it will not have any thermal effect on any of the other components, the very thing GIGABYTE is testing.

[LPMa007]

On this film, I never see Giga uses water cooler, but after this film is published, Giga web site changes to water cooling... and remove thermal diagram, why??? btw, if by air cooling, temp is only 94C, why bother use 2Oz PCB, can Giga cool it down to 44C?

[merlion86]

It's a common sense that CPU cooler fan's air-flow will effects the surrounding components temperature. In addition, in this video, their board was sat on top of a rack, which means there will be air-flow to dissipate the heat from the board.

The basic rule for testing thermal is not allowing any air-flow effecting the heat source... Common Sense.. which I don't see their engineer is having..

[truthwinsalways]

merlion86 has a good point. Doesn't look like a very fair or accurate comparison to me.

[bigwan1]

To merlion86

Can you tell us how 2 OZ test their product?

[V3NOMDAWG]

..............................­.. 2 OZ isnt a company.. its a method of construction between PCB layers.. gigabyte decided to make thei mobos now with 2 ounces of copped instead of 1 ounce over the 12"x12" area of the mobo..

[merlion86]

Your video is as cheap as your product.. Your thermal testing procedure was full of mistakes.. Having an open chasis test in an air-conditioned room? Of cos your MOS temp will drop..

[nemesiscreek]

really good and didactic video.

Reducing innecesary cost, very good!

Asrock Rulz!

[srsequeira]

that's nice to see that asrock does better without unnecessary things.. asrock makes it simple and very efficient, thats a good warning for people that usally believe in fake "publicity" form other brands. this video makes clear that asrock is doing their mobo's right and properly cool, and adding their all solid capacitor design it sure that their boards are really trustable.

[Anactoraaron]

ASRock is showing they are not just a "budget" motherboard manufacturer. The attention to detail in regard to quality and using quality components means you will enjoy their product for a long time. Way to go ASRock!

[richdh1503]

a very interesting video, definately make me think about a new asrock board to replace my current one

[drmac73]

we are always waiting for what will come from Asrock and i am sure it will be good

[cipiloi]

This was a really straight forward demonstration about what the competition is offering us. I think that their greatest weapon against heat is marketing. Good going Asrock, you have proven that even against marketing scores ( that we all know are better than reality scores ) you can beat them.Really impresive demonstration and this will make me think twice before buying a motherboard based on advertising such as this and not based on real live testing like yours.

[3xdan]

This 2 Oz copper PCB is ne necessary for overcloking, and may be for PC in hot region like Ecuator region, where the temperatures are very high all time year.

[drmac73]

Asrock bypassed other brands even with new technologies and introduced a cooler mobo with a stable performance and less heat at the same nice price

[Baba1hit]

Is the whole reason why Asrock mobos lack advanced heat pipes becuse the pcp design rins cooler then others?....

[frankcastle123]

Other brands "innove" just to sell motherboards at the price of gold, they should learn from ASrock and reduce innecesary costs

[drmac73]

Asrock solves major problems with simple solutions without the need for extra expenses or complicated technology,and all is directed to the benefit of users

[nudlaug1971]

asrock you are the best!

[3xdan]

The qualty of PCB it's key factor in motheboard durability, so Asrock are doing a nice thing improving it.

[Stryfe1977]

Clear video regarding the new air-flow and cloorer CPU environment for the new mainboard of as-rock. It is achieved via the ATX formfactor and not the new ATX-B formfactor. Amazing research and development! :)

It is time replace my current as-rock mobo.

As-rock rocks!

[janecm]

Informative video. I had been using AsRock mobos for 4 years now and they all worked great! AsRock mobos are economical, cool and earth-friendly. Highly recommended! AsRock really rocks!

[bilal091]

best p45 board out there

[drmac73]

time is up for a practical , reliable and to the point technology that reduce heat , and preserve life and stability of pc and Asrock has made it without the need for 1 or 2 oz pcb and with affordable price

Asrock always proceeds

[theendgate]

thank for giving this information, i get the knowledge without having to buy those hardware

[anubis1491]

OMG! It is not necessary doubt that asrock is a company dedicated to taking pleasure to his clients, now with this test(proof) of temperature I do not change for anything to asrock thank you for his products:P

Congratulations ASROCK!!!

[ctsib]

It is cool !!

[janadal86]

Haha, did u see the two IE tabs saying "Gigabyte"? Priceless!! :))

[3xdan]

Excelent technology to do this video. Congratulation Asrock !

[Birmzboy]

good video

[estechnical]

AS Rocks!! The information you provide helps out the extreme users of your motherboards. Let's face it- your ASRock motherboards are for the tweakers and the geekers!!! All the other motherboards take a back seat.

[drmac73]

i like to say thank you Asrock for the useful videos and the refreshing informations, it is a nice idea and we all are winners of the knowledge that is presented through it,keep up the good work

[drmac73]

This video shows that Asrock P45TS can achieve a cooler vcore temp of a 30 degree celesius over the newly announced 2 oz tech by gigabyte and at a cooler price of 94 dollars with all the expected features of a mobo , so the answer is no , 2oz cu pcb is not necessary as long as Asrock already made a cooler p45TS with no need for extra expensive measures , which make the p45TS the choice for stable wide margins of overclocking with a more long life at an excellent price

[lavakille]

When you do overclocking, the cooler the board is the better. The board is cool itself is better than adding more fans or other cooling method. So the 2 OZ copper PCB is necessary. I like ASRock boards. When I do my next computer upgrade, I will consider one of the boards!

[MathayusMiklini]

Smart moves makes smart companies like asrock, and so, they'll have happy costumers.

im starting to like what im seeing.

[srsequeira]

thats smart thinking.. cooler temps are always better to improve the hardware lifetime, so it's nice to see that asrock also concerns with the durability of our components, (and adding the solid capacitor design that asrock is also adopting in the majority of their boards it makes their boards very stable, durable and ready to rock solid like their slogan says). nice step to improve their motherboards quality

[drmac73]

if the 2 oz copper pcb can give me a 35 degree celesius margin over one of the well known boards , i would not hesitate to get the Asrock 2 oz copper board and enjoy wide margins of stable overclocking and less needs for extra expensive cooling measures and silly freezes, well to do Asrock team this is always expected from you and you never let us down

[3xdan]

Yes, the 2 Oz copper PCB is necessary , special if you do overclocking, so the Asrock MB with this MB will do a great job with high voltages, and as a result the overcloking on them it will be extreme !

[danielpila77]

Interesting video !!

[shredchris]

Damn cool video. Asrock mobos Rock... hence the name !