@gollywogthegreat I don't agree with you, i mean there was a lot of history between them, Lex was really crushing the table showing lots of bluffs, Simon read well that Lex was outplaying Elezra and Richter with a squeeze play, so it was, then Lex found himself heads up and assumed that Simon might have realized he was stealing so his 4bet range could be very wide, so it was, pokerstove tool puts 67s on the best 44.5% of hands, K4s is 44.2% against such a wide range.
The pot was already 25K, Lex had to call 15K for a 40K pot, the pot odds are slightly favourable to this kind of play, so, mathematically, his play is not so bad...
@gollywogthegreat Lex won 6 hands in a row (or something like that) from Muenz. Maybe he thought Muenx was tilting or if Muenz just wanted to pick up the pot. Mathematically ist's an awful call but if you look at their history at the table it was a good call
Jeeez your all so full of shit. Just read a comment from some guy claiming he plays 400-1000NL hahah.... Yeah right, fucking 400-1000 Zimbabwaen dollars more like
And simon muenz is a good guy at all. he won millions but he is still a normal guy, not that arrogant like some other players who only could play wsop because of staking....
u can look under his old screename raszi, he was a losing player at cash games, even whit rakeback ect he was losing player. So why do u think he got his new Screenname Lex Veldhuis. Because pokerstars (his sponsor) wanted him to start a new account whit new stats so ppl couldnt see that he is a losing player. But even under his current screename heis a losing player. all the time he only ccould play wsop and so on because ppl staked him.
was a mathematically incorrect call, but I figured part of the reason behind it was to ensure he would never be run over in pots and also make it extremely hard for other players to 4-bet bluff Lex preflop.
kinda sucks for ele he actually did fold the best hand and then woulda hit trips lol. cant be mad though cuz he's folding that hand 10/10 times to that bet
Weel People, in a intervieuw with a Dutch reporter: He said that when he raised he noticed Muenz Spot and reconed that that spot would be a good spot for a good player to squeeze.....he figured out that he 1:1.7 and Muenz was sick of Lex and if Lex called, he wouldnt be 4 bet shoved for the rest of the tournament....you Donkeys may comment on a bad play, but first recon the tougts before you open your donkey micro stake limit mouth....Lex Rocks!
Hey ass I know the situation at hand but if your playing serious you wouldn't call all in with k4, he WAS NOT GETTING THE RIGHT PRICE hello 60 big blinds
You guys are all wrong. He called with K4 because that is his favourite hand that he will always play. Just like Doyle is likely to always play T2.
Just google or search youtube for "lex veldhuis K4" and you will find that hand from the EPT in Germany where he called a shove with K4 against villain's KK and was busted.
since you guys werent sitting at that table, you didnt see how lex and muenz played, if you see the hand right now, it is very obvious that lex did a bad call, but you never know how muenz played that day.
@chazsinohui you remind me of a friend of mine that shouted call or fold to the tv ad with ferguson when they ask call them or fold them when they show you half the hand and you have no idea what the stacks sizes or even the pot
the guy was tilted since lex bluffed the whole table like 10 times a row and got called in all the spots where he had good hands
the guy was desperate and tilted and lex saw that + when u need to call 1-2 its a good call
lol for once i am reading decent analysis, considering that 99% of youtube users dont know shit about cev, equity, icm, stack sizes, squeeze play, light 4bet shoves etc etc. ggnub100 doesnt know shit about no limit holdem tourney i bet
he's getting 2-1 on his money meaning he only needs 33% for it to be a value play. Also if he folds it dents his table image and shows that when people do play back at him he gets out the way.. he has a big enough stack that he can take the hit and still make plays. The call is both a value play and also a statement to the rest of the table that if they are gonna play back they better have a big hand and that he will look them up.
You are right that it's not the way to win the main event though
@samuelesaini you sir are an idiot....its 15k to win 25.3k you dont count your own money as part of the return. So he's getting about 1.7:1 on his call. Its not by any means an obvious call, but he probably really did think that guy was wide as hell and wanted to further own him.
He's right, you have to have at least 37% equity, so unless he has you dominated with AK or Kx or AA-44, it's +EV. If you think he's really steaming you can make this call
@samuelesaini GOD damn people are stupid. by your logic if there is ZERO in the pot and I shove $10k into you...you should call with anything >33% (2:1) EQ because you are risking $10k for a $20k pot?!....ahhh poker is never dead with idiots like samuelesaini...please sit at my tables chump
@ssslipnssslide I am afraid that you are wrongs sir, because you are not getting 2:1 in the example you have mentioned. Yes, you are risking $10k, but for what WILL BE a $20k pot (AFTER your call). You are actually risking $10k to WIN $10k in this case so the odds are 1:1.
@gollywogthegreat Right I'm putting an end to this. Veldhuis had a sick read that Muenz was making play with weak hand by shoving all in. He read betting pattern. It was a sick professional call with K,4. Mathematically the call has positive value. K4 vs 67 is 54% favorite.
Veldhuis called because he is professional and read Muenz as stupid tilted boy angry at Lex for getting bluffed.
... you just cant comment on this hand alone - Lex had already stone cold bluffed this guy 2 times and robbed most of his chips ... he showed his bluff both times.
The guy was obviously tilted & that s why Lex made that call.
@Thibautdebruyker You are another smart player. You know what real poker is. Lex read Muenz few step ahead of him and knew K4 is still better than Muenz. Lex is pro.
But TBH.. just approaching a tournament like this with making super thin cEV plays, is def. not the way to do it.. but Just mathamtically speaking if he can figure he's that wide as 76s+ then techically it would net him a small gain of chips in the long run, ( too lazy to figure how much, but maybe 1BB if he's lucky)
To risk a portion of your stack such as that, for such a little chip return, is honestly idiotic, in this type of format, not to mention, if he losses, he cant make as many plays
@mmnmnmmmnmmn You are hypocrite person. If Lex is a donkey and made bad play with K4, then Allen Cunningham made far worse play with Q8. K4>Q8 Difference is Lex was correct with his read and he won the pot with better hand and his read paid off. allen thought he might be correct that lex is bluffing or his chance is live but he was wrong. therefore lex>cunningham. lex is professional and new generation of poker. cunningham is a donkey and outdated. new guns takin over.
@PoKeRFoRNiA Haha... you just dont get it bud, and after all the replys i sent too you already, I'm just done trying too explain it to you, It does not matter too me either way. Hopefully the more you work on your game, the more you'll understand.. But again.. It does not bother me either way.. so.....
@mmnmnmmmnmmn you need to work on your game and learn how to play real poker and learn how to fold hands. stop dickriding allen cunningham. allen cunningham did the same thing. only difference is lex called with better hand of k4. allen puts his life on line with q8. lex was correct with read and better hand won. allen ran into KK and lost and got eliminated. people insult lex but nobody insult cunningham. but real donkey and calling station was cunningham.
@mmnmnmmmnmmn You didn't need to tell us that you were too lazy to do the math, nor that you are a losing poker player. We already knew it. 21 other losing players have given you the thumbs up. However, they are all garbage players too. Veldhuis does have holes in his game, but this was not one of them. This is a standard call against a German donk.
@mmnmnmmmnmmn i don't agree. image and playing styles at bay, a strategy for tourneys is to maximize small edges. of course ICM would keep you from making some calls, in early rounds it's not frowned upon to get a big stack if you know how to use it.
@mmnmnmmmnmmn ur forgetting the 'image-building'-equity, haha. he said in some dutch interview that that also was a factor in his play in the 2009 WSOP :)
@PoKeRFoRNiA Stupid comment... Muenz is a great player and a pro as well. Lex and Muenz know each other, so Muenz did a nice shove coz he knows, that Lex has a weak hand and Lex knows, that Muenz knows this and makes a good call. Good play by both... Just high lvl poker..
@martysparty2042 You're right. That is why he is professional and he is up there while all of us on this page are sitting behind our computers watching him.
Interesting, I would have gone all in with a low pocket just like Muenz because judging on the high raises pre flop, there's a chance that a lot of players are already holding picture cards. But I would never go all in with a 67 when I know that. Just too risky, mainly because of the possibility of a high card win.
@rainbowcicak another person with a common sense. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds Muenz as a retard and a moron. If he was gonna make a move, at least have something decent. at least low pocket pair or Ace high. and 4 betting to 3 players front of him is plain stupidity. He had no business being in the pot. Unnecessary risk in early stage. Better to step aside and let Richter deal with Lex. Stupid play is subject to elimination.
@PoKeRFoRNiA no lol. im taking my anger out on you going to casinos cause im not oldenough. you know how painful that is to watch others go to casinos and miss out on all the fun lol
@ggnub100 everyone makes your standard comment to. poker has become a specators sport just like basketball, football and rugby. if i see something i dont like from the players who earn millions.. ill say it. they earn the right to toss around all their cash, i earn the right to say something about it since the cameras are pointing at them.
@penney5 Hi fish. You must also be having inferiority complex against lex, just like rice316. lex is pro. you are noob.
in poker, i learned that out of every poker players, less than 10 percent of players are winning players over long run. i am a profiting player who played over 2000 sngs and over 2k hands live cash games. i belong in that 10 percent. you belong in 90 percent of losing players. therefore, i am better than you. you must shut the fuck up and learn from players like me. =)
OMG! Man uve gotta know that u sound ridiculous to everyone who has any idea about Poker. 2k Sngs are nothing and 2k Hands live/online are even less than nothing. Plz tell me your screenname and we can play a little. I played nearly 1 million Hands this year and i still dont think its much, cause i know many people that played more. And btw the player Lex busts is Simon Münz also known as Schnibbl0r who was one of the first german online FLHE Highstakes Players.
@IMakeBoringVideos squeezeplay all in with 67 is donkey fish play. he made that play because he got owned by lex and he was angry and tilted.
lex's call was fine because he called with BETTER HAND. i understand why lex made a call. asdffdsafdsa123 doesn't and instead, he calls lex a moron for calling with k4. poker is about shipping your money in with a better hand because over the long period of time, hands even themselves out and you profit over the long run for making right decisions.
lex is a donkey,he has never won a wsop braclet and never will,he is just bullying fellas on day1,because he knows the gonna play tight,its the biggest tourney any of these guys wud ever play.but munez is poor player,he should off reraised lex when he had 1010,2 find out where he was in the hand,just like the commentater said
I kinda don't like Veldhuis.... everytilme he shows a bluff or call, he's like gonna vomit on the table. I don't konw what he ate the moning before playing the WSOP but for sure it did not seem to be so good...
You and others call Lex a moron or a fish because he call with K4. But when Allen Cunningham calls all-in bet with Q8, nobody berates him. why? if Lex is a fish, then Allen Cunningham is a bigger fish. Allen Cunningham is overrated and he sucks. New guns are takin over. Lex is the new generation of Poker. Lex, Elky, Dwan, Galfond, Obrestad, online beats live players anyday. live players suck.
@PoKeRFoRNiA allen cunnigham didnt have 100bb u stupid piece of shit r u fucking kidding me. cunningham committed himself he had to do it. god ur so fucking stupid. muenz made the move to get 3 folds and it should have worked, if lex didnt decide to donk his chips away and got lucky with his K4. lex played well in this event, but in this hand he is the donk, only retarded fish like u dont know it. ha u dont even know y allen shoved his Q8 and u think K4 is great call, retarded cunt
@asdffdsafdsa123 allen cunningham didn't shove, you stupid fuckbrain. allen called with q8. cunningham is worse than muenz. muenz at least try to steal pot and just fail miserably. allen tries to win by a showdown with q8. therefore, he is calling station donkey. lex played k4 like a professional. he's no donk. k4 is a great call because he called with better hand and knew muenz is bluffing because he is angry and steamed at lex. lex thinks one step ahead of muenz and cunningham. lex is pro.
@PoKeRFoRNiA i didnt see the hand, but im guessing cunnigham raised and then called a shove, yes im pretty sure he was committed, so yes the situation is completely different, and ur a retard for not seeing it. lex's call with K4 is a moronic donk play and he was lucky to win
@asdffdsafdsa123 "committed" typical donkey you are. If he was going to be committed, why don't he just go all in? In Poker, if you raise, there are two ways to win the pot. You win by making your opponent fold or you win by showdown. If you call, there's only one way to win and that is by showdown. If Cuntingham went all in, he can seek two ways to win and look like lesser idiot than Muenz since Q8 is better than 67. Cunningham tries to win by showdown with donkey rag hand Q8.
@PoKeRFoRNiA god ur so fucking stupid, i dont think logically? Lex put in 4k, another 15k to call and only 2k more in the pot, he also has plenty of chips, prob over 80bb, so he could fold and still be deep stacked. cunningham on the other hand has 10bb or less if he folds, so hes committed to the hand, if he folds he prob wont find another hand to play. r u really telling me u cant see this? u need to check urself into a fking asylum or better yet a zoo
@asdffdsafdsa123 if cunningham is gonna be "committed" to Lex's 4-bet all-in, why don't he just go all in from the start and make himself look less like an idiot compared to Muenz since Q8 is better than 67. when you go all in or raise, you win the pot in two ways. when you call, you only win in one way. cunningham tries to win by showdown with q8. q8 is a donkey rag hand. only donkeys try to win showdown with q8. He was suppose to go all in or fold if he was going to be "committed"
@asdffdsafdsa123 so it's ok for allen to call with q8 preflop all-in but not ok for lex to call all in with k4? you are stupid person who cannot think logical. you are a hypocrite. Lex call with k4 because he read Muenz as stupid tilted steamed boy and he was correct. Allen thought he can outlex lex like norman said but he was wrong. allen got outplayed by lex. allen is noob. lex is pro. that is why allen is eliminated. don't call lex's play donk when he is better than both of us combined.
@PoKeRFoRNiA lex might have read muenz correctly but when he called wut happened? it was a coinflip u fucking retard. u must have been in a special ed class at school because u clearly have problems learning. ive told u so many times a coinflip is the best lex can hope for, so its not a good more when ur getting 1.75:1 on about 70% of ur stack. when u call hoping for a coinflip u should be short stacked and desperate, K4 is a bad call no matter how u look at it. thats y the pros r shocked
@asdffdsafdsa123 Pros are shocked because they're impressed how sick Lex is. Cunningham is a bad player. he is overrated. he saw lex call with k4 against muenz. that hand shows table that lex is loose-aggro player who calls light. it was a clear message to table "don't fuck with me". cunningham tries to play back with Q8? allen is donkey noob. talk all you want. in the end, results speak for themselves. stupid plays are subject to elimination. they played stupid. that's why they are eliminated.
@PoKeRFoRNiA is that y lex got eliminated from the wsop? because he made stupid plays, thats exactly wut ur saying, because ur too much of a retarded fucking donk to understand the concept of variance. wut lex did was -ev, u r the only one who doesnt get it here, every1 else knows. cunningham was short stacked, i already told u the situations are completely unrelated, and i explained y, so y do u still bring it up u fucking retard, are u really this stupid, or r u just messing with me i cant tel
@asdffdsafdsa123 it was a horrible call...end of story, to risk it with k4 on a final table wtf does he think he's up agaist k3? most of the time he's drawing dead to a king if he's lucky.
@artysm7 it wasnt final table, and u dont know why he called this: pay for table image? and you dont know how many chips he had behind, u cant just say: that was mistake...
@trinnn2 you are smart. lex makes good call for table image also. that is one thing i didn't see. this builds good table image also. this calls shows people "don't fuck with me". stupid allen still tries to play back with Q8 even when he see lexs table image of calling all in with k4. allen cunningham is noob. allen was suppose to realize that lex doesn't fold even with k4. but he tries to play back with q8. allen is noob donkey. lex is pro.
@asdffdsafdsa123 lex got eliminated because he played stupid on day 2. Stupid plays are subject to elimination. Muenz and Cunningham played stupid on day 1 against Lex. That is why they are eliminated. Watch and learn, you stupid fuckbrain. Lex call with K4 is bad but cunningham calling with Q8 is not? Committed is not an excuse. stupid donkey. if he is going to be committed, why didn't he go all in? if lex is a donk, then allen is a bigger donkey.
@PoKeRFoRNiA they arnt shocked because they thought lex made a great call, theyre shocked because lex made a completely donk call that only an amateur like u would make
@asdffdsafdsa123 i am amateur and you are beginner retarded fish. amateur>beginner retarded fish. you are horrible player who just hate lex because he is too good. lex does plays that you and i would not have done. i would have folded k4. but why did lex call? because there was something he read that muenz was bluffing. and he was right. he shipped his money in when he is favorite. over long run, hands even themselves out and you profit.
@PoKeRFoRNiA do u not understand plain English u stupid motherfucker. coinflip means 50/50, they have an equal chance of winning, or close enuf that makes no difference. "even out over time" u retarded peice of shit, if u run K4 against 67 100 times K4 might have still lost money so it the 3% doesnt matter, how many times do u expect to be in this type of coinflip situation, u think muenz will play enuf of K4 vs 67 or similar hands for it to even out over his life time, i doubt it.
@PoKeRFoRNiA technically lex is the favorite, practically theres no fucking difference. on the other hand if we run this same play over 100 times and lex calls all ins with hands like K4 i think youll find lex will be dominated a lot of the time.
you are shocked because u think lex made a sick call, thats your opinion. you dont share this same opinion with the pros, u stupid piece of shit, and you know it. none of the pros think that was a good call, and pro> amateur right? u fking retard
@PoKeRFoRNiA no u will never advance beyond the simplest concepts in poker unless ur 10 years old and ur brain still has time to develop, good luck living life with sub 90 IQ, sum day u will become a janitor, and u will play 10 year olds during recess and take their lunch money. that will be ur life, i personally think you should slit ur fucking wrists right now and get it over with, i truly believe u will be doing the world a favour.
@asdffdsafdsa123 you think you are smart but you are blinded by egocentrism. you are very stupid. you are reflecting yourself in the mirror and trying to scapegoat your characteristics to me. admit yourself and you can live your life freely. did doctors say you have sub 90 IQ? you must've been playing 10 year olds.
@asdffdsafdsa123 i also came back from casino last night. i have won almost $400 in $1/$3 stake because there was stupid old man who thinks like you and went all in with TJ when I have pocket Kings. just because i make many 3-bets and he thinks i'm bluffing, he goes all in with TJ. "he be bluffing, so therefore, all in" mindset you have is bad just like muenz and that must go away from your brain. that is your leak.
I think both played that pretty badly tbh. With 67h and 60 BB, he was definitely tilting and just wanted to pick up blinds, he was 99 percent sure he would have won the pot right there. The call with K4 is pretty bad too imho. I love Lex, but he is definitely not getting odds to call with that hand, he's getting less than 2:1, and K4 is complete trash. Even if he knew Muenz was weak, that's still a bad call. Coin flip at best, very likely dominated.
@IMakeBoringVideos he call becuz he know what he is doing and he was right. that is why he won. muenz is stupid. that is why he got eliminated. in poker, there are two ways to get eliminated. stupid play and unlucky. which category does this go to? stupid play. he played stupid, so he got eliminated. he put his chips in behind. so he lost.
@IMakeBoringVideos ^ correct. 14k to win 25k. Poor ol' Muenz made the mistake in thinking he had fold equity. Lex was trying to find a way out of calling when he looked disgusted.
Also hey uploader, I've been on an 'ihatehelmuth' kick, can you upload me a 1 video compilation of terrible hellmuth calls? there's a bunch of really good ones vs durrrr and at least 1 really good one against obrestad.
@squarerabbits you are smart. muenz is stupid. muenz made mistake. he thinks he has fold equity against 3 players. everyone here calls lex a donk or noob for calling with k4 but nobody talks about muenz 4-betting with 67 against 3 players. muenz is horrible. he played stupid. that is why he got eliminated. you are a smart player to know this and speak it out. lex is pro. muenz is noob. this is why lex is team pokerstars and muenz is nobody.
although in a tournament you don't use straight pot odds like you do in cash games. I think you can barely make the case for folding in this situation. Maybe. A call here you can't criticize, but a fold is barely ok too, IMO. Just barely.
@IMakeBoringVideos Speaking mathmatically only here, taking NOTHING else into consideration but cold hard + or - cEV , Lex is gettin 1.7 to 1, and would need at least 37 percent equity:
Even though muenz is shoving 76s here, he'd have to be doing it just that wide, for it to be barly right.. 22+ a10s+ ajo+ 76s+
Just by watching the hand it would never put muenz on that wide of a range, however Lex either knew it was that wide, and possibly wider, or he just liked that it was s000ted.. lol
@asdffdsafdsa123 are you going to defend the stupid old man who went all in with TJ because it was $200 to win $50? if he folded, he would have $200 stack. i never made easy money like this before because of donkeys like you who think like muenz. so keep supporting muenz and keep hating lex because in the end, fishes like you make stupid moves and we regulars and professionals and anyone with common sense make money. keep calling with atc and say committed bcz it's how we make $.
@PoKeRFoRNiA ya he put in 75% of his stack with K4 to give himself a loose image, its probably redundant by now to call u a moron so just fuck you. doctors told me i have an iq of 90? wut r u 3? if i made that insult its gotta be pretty obv i have a higher iq than 90, or iq would be a sensitive subject and i wouldn't broach it. god u really r stupid. lex had a donk image not just loose. " scape your characteristics onto me" lol thats good english. r u a native speaker? already explained 2 u
@PoKeRFoRNiA allen was very short stacked and he thought it was time to make a move, just so happens lex had KK, he doesnt have that very often. if he didnt have a hand he would be forced to fold because allen had committed himself, he had to call after his raise. ive already explained to u how the two situations are completely different, but its not really a wonder that u realized why. and yeh u gotta love the story about the "old man" lol. " i bested a donk playing at 1/3 who doesnt care about
@asdffdsafdsa123 Hi donkey fuckbrain. if allen was very short stacked, then why didn't he go all in? in poker, there are two ways to win the pot. when you shove, you have fold equity and you win by making people fold or win by showdown. when you call, there's only one way to win and that is showdown. allen tries to win by showdown with rag q8. allen is a calling station donkey. he got owned and outplayed by lex. lex is pro.
@PoKeRFoRNiA wow thats funny coz u actually described meunz play in ur first reply, and then u say going all in with 10J is smarter than 67. its hard to believe ur really that stupid, but i guess ill try to explain it to u 1 more time. like u just said, both muenz and the old man made that play or should have made that play to get folds and win the pot without a flop. This means 10J is actually a worse hand to shove with as a bluff because u r more likely to be dominated than with 67.
@asdffdsafdsa123 if allen was gonna be "committed"to 4-bet lex all-in, why didn't he just go all-in from start? you should try reading about how to play short-stack poker. when you become short-stack, you only have two options. you either go all-in or you fold. if allen was going to be "committed", why didn't he go all-in so that he can make himself look better than muenz since q8 is better than 67. allen tries to win by showdown with q8. allen is calling station donkey.
@PoKeRFoRNiA NO1 CALLS A 4 BET SHOVE HOPING FOR A COINFLIP U STUPID FUCKING CUNT, U RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT. when u call with small pairs usualy the best u can hope for is a coinflip, do u call 4 bet shoves with low pockets? i would usually fold even if i think the guy who shoved into me was bluffing, because too very likely i would be drawn out anyway
@IMakeBoringVideos he SIGHED bczx he was hoping his hand hold up. it is worth the call. then why is it 'moronic'? you and i believe he made a good call whether he is ahead or could've been behind. asdffdsa calls lex a moron for calling with k4. so wait, lex is a moron for calling with k4 but muenz is not when he shoves with 67? muenz makes unnecessary risk. he had no business being in the pot. just fold, step aside, let richter deal with lex. he played stupid, that is why he is eliminated.
@asdffdsafdsa123 you mention in lex vs ivey hand that ivey will not likely push because lex is committed. but ivey pushed and lex folded KJ even when he put 1/3 of his stack. when lex thinks hes beat, he lets go. that is professional. allen doesnt' know how to let go and calls with q8. this is why lex is better than allen. lex owned allen. lex is pro and new generation of poker
@PoKeRFoRNiA fuck ur a stupid cunt. lex was in a cash game, very big difference. he was also way deeper, prob started with about 200bb. of course he can fold after committing 1/3 of his stack, but lex can rebuy after the hand, he also has plenty deep enuf for play, he doesnt have to worry about getting a hand and shoving b4 the blinds eat him up. allen only had a few BB left when he raised and if he folded his hand he would have to make a shove pretty soon with a very weak hand anyway, so y not
@PoKeRFoRNiA shove when he is committed. Allen obv reraised because he felt it would look stronger than just open shoving, which it does, only a moron like u cant see this. ya he sould just shove all in to "make himself look better" u sadly retarded fuck only u would fold Q8 after comitting urself to try and play with about 10bb left in a tourney of several thousand players. SUM1 WILL CALL A 4 BET SHOVE WITH POCKET 7s - 10s??? U R INSANE, CHECK URSELF INTO A MENTAL INSTITUTION.
@asdffdsafdsa123 you are a retard. raising most of your chips as a reraise is a sign of weakness. they want to scare their opponent but they're scared to commit all of their chips. when i was holding a set and instantly went all in to players who raise most of their chips, they call with bad hands, not even a top pair. i seen this pattern many times. allen played like scared donkey. learn how to play short stack strategy, you fish. when you are short stacked, you should go all in or fold.
@asdffdsafdsa123 sure. if i put my opponent on stupid hand like ace rag. i will call with 77-TT. He can be on tilt and go all in with Ace-rag. If I can read my opponent well, like the way Lex read Muenz, I will call with 77-TT since 77-TT is BETTER HAND than their range. Poker is about shipping your money in with a better hand.
@PoKeRFoRNiA the money and therefore i am better than muenz." u realize muenz can actually think right? no u dont even realize other ppl can think and be creative playing their hand, because u r a robot, u just cant think ur too stupid, u dont have the creativity. im done reasoning with u, my lucid reasoning is lost on ur infantile pea sized brain. ive explained it all to u so well but u just cant learn, u come back with that same argument coz u dont have to capacity to think beyond it, fuck you
@asdffdsafdsa123 muenzs level equates to old man's level. old man might be better because he went all in with TJ instead of 67. you are blinded by egocentrism and you are having very hard time understanding that you are very retarded. why are you having hard time learning that going all in with 67 is retarded? muenz played stupid, that is why he is eliminated.
@PoKeRFoRNiA ie. sum1 might call with 1010, JJ, maybe AJ. even AK or AQ is in better shape against 10J than 67. u are a moron for not knowing this, just look at the number of people replying to u telling u how dumb u r, and u still say im the only one who disagrees with u? who do u think is right, 1 little retard who has played about 5k hands of poker against a few donks, or every other poker player that has replied to u
@asdffdsafdsa123 sum1 might call with 77,88,99,1010 is in better shape against 67 than TJ. u are a moron for not knowing this. just look at the number of people saying how stupid muenz is and he deserve to lose. i believe i am right and you are wrong. i am a profiting player, so therefore, i know what i'm talking about. you are a losing player who cannot show any proof. lex is a professional, so he knows what he is doing.
@PoKeRFoRNiA i am not a losing player u r, move up and u will know soon enuf just how much of a fish u really r. u dont know a fucking thing and u will never improve because ur too stupid to think for urself and u wont listen to ur better peers. u r a useless cunt and u will always play only for nickles and dimes
@asdffdsafdsa123 check my sharkscope you fucking retarded cunt. i am a winning player. you have no proof that you're a winning player. i started playing live and i have won over $3000 now. i will move up to $2/$4 next time I go to casino. so don't worry about me and fix your retarded fucked brain and your game please. i know what i am doing and i have been profiting over the long run. are you illiterate? i play $1/$2 cash live and $2 and $5 sngs mixed online.
@PoKeRFoRNiA bahaha. no. when he called the shove he was almost always behind. he knew this when he called. he did not expect to be ahead or he would have fist pumped. Poker involves calls where you know you are behind some times but call anyway because you know your priced in money vs probability. you need to relearn the game because from the sounds of it. you really dont know the complete basics
@IMakeBoringVideos i know how to play this game. did muenz make stupid play? yes. lex called with k4. whether he could've been ahead or behind, it was right call. he called with better hand and that's all it matters at the end of the day. right decisions are paid off over long period of time. i would've folded. lex called. this is why i'm sitting here watching him and he's up there in 10k event killing everyone.
@PoKeRFoRNiA funny you say that. because half of the people on this page seem to be arguing stratrgy with you. face it. you dont quiet know the game like you think you do.
But he was priced in to call...getting 2-1 on the odds. was worth it unless the guy had aces kings. any other 2 hands. and he was getting the right price to call on his money.
@IMakeBoringVideos Did it ever occur to you that over 90% of poker players all over the world are losing players? I belong in 10% category of winning player. Therefore, I couldn't care what noobs like asdf or you say.
Not only Aces and Kings. A4, AK, KQ, KJ, KT, K9, K8, K7, K6, K5 would make him 3:1 underdog. He put Muenz as stupid tilted, steamed boy angry at him and put him on very weak range. And he was correct. Even when he was, why do people call Lex a donk? Jealousy i must say?
@IMakeBoringVideos go sharkscope me. my name is my full tilt name. I go to this place called Casino Morongo often that is located in Cabazon, California. they offer $1/$3 ring game and I have won over $2000 there. i proven myself. now it's your turn. you play online? can you prove your winnings?
@PoKeRFoRNiA lol casino 1/3 is a joke. most people who play that are learning poker. live isnt a challenge unless you move up to 2/4 3/6 area. and yeah. im up online. feel free 2 search my accounts on sharky
@IMakeBoringVideos i mention that i am a learning player in the past. i still am. learning never stops. I am a winning player at 1/3. so therefore, that's all it matters at the end of the day. i play poker to make money. poker is about making money. don't you like money?
also i checked your sharkscope. your pathetic. you buyin for $1 and you have an average roi of -38% with a profit of 43...your hardly in a spot where you can talk yourself up
@gollywogthegreat I don't agree with you, i mean there was a lot of history between them, Lex was really crushing the table showing lots of bluffs, Simon read well that Lex was outplaying Elezra and Richter with a squeeze play, so it was, then Lex found himself heads up and assumed that Simon might have realized he was stealing so his 4bet range could be very wide, so it was, pokerstove tool puts 67s on the best 44.5% of hands, K4s is 44.2% against such a wide range.
Aleronx90 1 month ago
The pot was already 25K, Lex had to call 15K for a 40K pot, the pot odds are slightly favourable to this kind of play, so, mathematically, his play is not so bad...
Aleronx90 1 month ago
He probably felt like he had to puke after that hand :D
fulltimespy 1 month ago
@gollywogthegreat Lex won 6 hands in a row (or something like that) from Muenz. Maybe he thought Muenx was tilting or if Muenz just wanted to pick up the pot. Mathematically ist's an awful call but if you look at their history at the table it was a good call
floris854 1 month ago
Horrible call
chazsinohui 2 months ago
i had no idea 76suited was a tiny favorite over king 4 suited,
drewdonham 2 months ago
@drewdonham it was only cause player folded a king and another a 4
ruarihennessy1 1 month ago
@drewdonham a king was folded.
randomhero20022 2 days ago
LEX READS SOULS!!!!
cardmastad 2 months ago
Jeeez your all so full of shit. Just read a comment from some guy claiming he plays 400-1000NL hahah.... Yeah right, fucking 400-1000 Zimbabwaen dollars more like
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serratop 4 months ago
@serratop he's playing in the big leagues, you are commenting on youtube.
molongo0 2 months ago
Veldhuis is a professional poker player u fkn cunts are professional youtube sugers
thepezisangry 4 months ago
And simon muenz is a good guy at all. he won millions but he is still a normal guy, not that arrogant like some other players who only could play wsop because of staking....
FakeAssKilla 5 months ago
Why does not elky play under his real name. because he dont need it , his stats were ok and still are.
And pokerstars gave veldhuis the money to play at hsp, who else.
FakeAssKilla 5 months ago
lex veldhuis i a losing player.
u can look under his old screename raszi, he was a losing player at cash games, even whit rakeback ect he was losing player. So why do u think he got his new Screenname Lex Veldhuis. Because pokerstars (his sponsor) wanted him to start a new account whit new stats so ppl couldnt see that he is a losing player. But even under his current screename heis a losing player. all the time he only ccould play wsop and so on because ppl staked him.
thats how it was and is.
FakeAssKilla 5 months ago
lex is a luckbox, even he knows or not muenz has 76s.
xiruco 5 months ago
against his shoving RANGE, it was mathematically incorrect. against the hand he luckily ran into, it ended up being mathematically correct :)
DeusPayne 6 months ago
was a mathematically incorrect call, but I figured part of the reason behind it was to ensure he would never be run over in pots and also make it extremely hard for other players to 4-bet bluff Lex preflop.
DeusPayne 6 months ago
@DeusPayne it was mathematically correct...
cheezilius 6 months ago
everyone is a poker expert on you tube
AppleKidX 6 months ago
im pretty impressed with this call amazed he made it seeing how he is behind alot of hands
topofladder 6 months ago
high level is poker is a game of psychology, not mathematics
Bladen12345 6 months ago
donkey call
pogoman555 7 months ago
This is not thin at all, standard play if you assume Muenz is tilted and will shove anything good
EasyGameFR 7 months ago
@EasyGameFR its obviously thin....
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EasyGameFR 7 months ago
kinda sucks for ele he actually did fold the best hand and then woulda hit trips lol. cant be mad though cuz he's folding that hand 10/10 times to that bet
marshallbrooks1 7 months ago
allen cunningam is the best XD elezra is the best gamling XD play cash mode in mtt XD
TheMessi89 7 months ago
RIDICULOUS call--and I mean ridiculous as a compliment.
JohnLeeMD 7 months ago
that call sucks
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S4mmy89 7 months ago
veldhuis weer nummer 1!!!!!
duhtuurlijk 7 months ago
elezra had KT :P
Ritsoz 8 months ago
Weel People, in a intervieuw with a Dutch reporter: He said that when he raised he noticed Muenz Spot and reconed that that spot would be a good spot for a good player to squeeze.....he figured out that he 1:1.7 and Muenz was sick of Lex and if Lex called, he wouldnt be 4 bet shoved for the rest of the tournament....you Donkeys may comment on a bad play, but first recon the tougts before you open your donkey micro stake limit mouth....Lex Rocks!
Badrinho 8 months ago 5
Hey ass I know the situation at hand but if your playing serious you wouldn't call all in with k4, he WAS NOT GETTING THE RIGHT PRICE hello 60 big blinds
chazsinohui 8 months ago
but i still dont know how you can play crap like this and still win, against so called professionals.
PetrusDaniel 8 months ago
couse they know a king is out, there was a K 10 that another player folded
PetrusDaniel 8 months ago
I don't get the percentages preflop. How can 76s be 53% favourit against k4s ??
KevinDorner 8 months ago
I made a play like muenz yesterday.... Never again
Izaak247 8 months ago
You guys are all wrong. He called with K4 because that is his favourite hand that he will always play. Just like Doyle is likely to always play T2.
Just google or search youtube for "lex veldhuis K4" and you will find that hand from the EPT in Germany where he called a shove with K4 against villain's KK and was busted.
girlie347 9 months ago
since you guys werent sitting at that table, you didnt see how lex and muenz played, if you see the hand right now, it is very obvious that lex did a bad call, but you never know how muenz played that day.
happysauce123 9 months ago
Dumb call
chazsinohui 9 months ago
@chazsinohui you remind me of a friend of mine that shouted call or fold to the tv ad with ferguson when they ask call them or fold them when they show you half the hand and you have no idea what the stacks sizes or even the pot
the guy was tilted since lex bluffed the whole table like 10 times a row and got called in all the spots where he had good hands
the guy was desperate and tilted and lex saw that + when u need to call 1-2 its a good call
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champions20000009 9 months ago
lol for once i am reading decent analysis, considering that 99% of youtube users dont know shit about cev, equity, icm, stack sizes, squeeze play, light 4bet shoves etc etc. ggnub100 doesnt know shit about no limit holdem tourney i bet
Dual1ty 9 months ago
What he did right there takes big CHAJUNAS!
lutzzze 10 months ago
he's getting 2-1 on his money meaning he only needs 33% for it to be a value play. Also if he folds it dents his table image and shows that when people do play back at him he gets out the way.. he has a big enough stack that he can take the hit and still make plays. The call is both a value play and also a statement to the rest of the table that if they are gonna play back they better have a big hand and that he will look them up.
You are right that it's not the way to win the main event though
GBLad100 10 months ago 2
Best player ever, better than Ivey I'm sorry but k4 call 4 bet lex WTF how the he'll are you so good?!?!?!!?
Izaak247 10 months ago
Omg lex ur a genius
Izaak247 10 months ago
wtf is this fucking foreals lmaooooo good squeeze bad 3 bet and bad all in call. he wasn't even getting 2-1
Araknophobik 11 months ago
samuelesaini is retarded
tonysrizz09 11 months ago
Lol Cold
Mrgrandcorpsmalade 11 months ago
2 people hates getting bluffed.
jjpyae 11 months ago
It's 15k to win a 40k pot, call is positive eV against pretty much everything but a pair or K.
samuelesaini 11 months ago
@samuelesaini you sir are an idiot....its 15k to win 25.3k you dont count your own money as part of the return. So he's getting about 1.7:1 on his call. Its not by any means an obvious call, but he probably really did think that guy was wide as hell and wanted to further own him.
ssslipnssslide 11 months ago
He's right, you have to have at least 37% equity, so unless he has you dominated with AK or Kx or AA-44, it's +EV. If you think he's really steaming you can make this call
Taroxus 11 months ago
@samuelesaini GOD damn people are stupid. by your logic if there is ZERO in the pot and I shove $10k into you...you should call with anything >33% (2:1) EQ because you are risking $10k for a $20k pot?!....ahhh poker is never dead with idiots like samuelesaini...please sit at my tables chump
ssslipnssslide 11 months ago
@ssslipnssslide I am afraid that you are wrongs sir, because you are not getting 2:1 in the example you have mentioned. Yes, you are risking $10k, but for what WILL BE a $20k pot (AFTER your call). You are actually risking $10k to WIN $10k in this case so the odds are 1:1.
TomMolivan 10 months ago
Muenz=on absolute banana-deprived monkey bashing life tilt the hands leading up to this
MrGnomemeat 1 year ago
I think he thought he had AK. It is possible to confuse A with a 4 sometimes.
hailtheempire 1 year ago
@hailtheempire man i had never considered that he got trapped by a tranny
squarerabbits 10 months ago
beef jerky!!
ounpug 1 year ago
@gollywogthegreat Right I'm putting an end to this. Veldhuis had a sick read that Muenz was making play with weak hand by shoving all in. He read betting pattern. It was a sick professional call with K,4. Mathematically the call has positive value. K4 vs 67 is 54% favorite.
Veldhuis called because he is professional and read Muenz as stupid tilted boy angry at Lex for getting bluffed.
=)
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
... you just cant comment on this hand alone - Lex had already stone cold bluffed this guy 2 times and robbed most of his chips ... he showed his bluff both times.
The guy was obviously tilted & that s why Lex made that call.
/watch?v=7VQAcsSMTVQ
InvisibleHandcuffs 1 year ago
High level poker. Lex knew that muenz knew lex was weak..
Thibautdebruyker 1 year ago
@Thibautdebruyker You are another smart player. You know what real poker is. Lex read Muenz few step ahead of him and knew K4 is still better than Muenz. Lex is pro.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@Thibautdebruyker Lex knew that muenz knew that Lex knew that munez was weak.
jebussaves1 1 year ago
@onlypedro stupid portugese fish
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@onlypedro Millionaire.
Kurjimus 1 year ago
But TBH.. just approaching a tournament like this with making super thin cEV plays, is def. not the way to do it.. but Just mathamtically speaking if he can figure he's that wide as 76s+ then techically it would net him a small gain of chips in the long run, ( too lazy to figure how much, but maybe 1BB if he's lucky)
To risk a portion of your stack such as that, for such a little chip return, is honestly idiotic, in this type of format, not to mention, if he losses, he cant make as many plays
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago 22
@mmnmnmmmnmmn You are hypocrite person. If Lex is a donkey and made bad play with K4, then Allen Cunningham made far worse play with Q8. K4>Q8 Difference is Lex was correct with his read and he won the pot with better hand and his read paid off. allen thought he might be correct that lex is bluffing or his chance is live but he was wrong. therefore lex>cunningham. lex is professional and new generation of poker. cunningham is a donkey and outdated. new guns takin over.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA Haha... you just dont get it bud, and after all the replys i sent too you already, I'm just done trying too explain it to you, It does not matter too me either way. Hopefully the more you work on your game, the more you'll understand.. But again.. It does not bother me either way.. so.....
GL bud :)
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago
@mmnmnmmmnmmn you need to work on your game and learn how to play real poker and learn how to fold hands. stop dickriding allen cunningham. allen cunningham did the same thing. only difference is lex called with better hand of k4. allen puts his life on line with q8. lex was correct with read and better hand won. allen ran into KK and lost and got eliminated. people insult lex but nobody insult cunningham. but real donkey and calling station was cunningham.
GL to you too. Learn 2 play real poker
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA Haha :) , If u'd like to play PM me, and lets somthin up :) (400-1000NL) u can pick any in that range. 2-4 tables.
Leme know, :)
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago 5
@mmnmnmmmnmmn You didn't need to tell us that you were too lazy to do the math, nor that you are a losing poker player. We already knew it. 21 other losing players have given you the thumbs up. However, they are all garbage players too. Veldhuis does have holes in his game, but this was not one of them. This is a standard call against a German donk.
lChupacabra 10 months ago
@mmnmnmmmnmmn i don't agree. image and playing styles at bay, a strategy for tourneys is to maximize small edges. of course ICM would keep you from making some calls, in early rounds it's not frowned upon to get a big stack if you know how to use it.
hillsonger 10 months ago
@mmnmnmmmnmmn Actually if he knows muenz range extends to 76s its not close at all since hes getting about 2:1.
SayNoobB4ULeave 7 months ago
@mmnmnmmmnmmn ur forgetting the 'image-building'-equity, haha. he said in some dutch interview that that also was a factor in his play in the 2009 WSOP :)
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@mmnmnmmmnmmn
You dont know what you are talking about. He is Lex Veldhuis!
Leertouwer 5 months ago
stupid call, idiot donk from stars
shiraq07 1 year ago
@shiraq07 stupid shove. idiot muenz who's a nobody.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA Stupid comment... Muenz is a great player and a pro as well. Lex and Muenz know each other, so Muenz did a nice shove coz he knows, that Lex has a weak hand and Lex knows, that Muenz knows this and makes a good call. Good play by both... Just high lvl poker..
dox2k 1 year ago
@dox2k
just moron lvl poker
zifirr 1 year ago
@shiraq07 GREAT call. He called with the best hand in a spot where it is highly unlikely he has it.
martysparty2042 1 year ago
@martysparty2042 You're right. That is why he is professional and he is up there while all of us on this page are sitting behind our computers watching him.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
Calling cold implies there was an option to raise, yes? Don't think you can cold call a shove.
gavnastyyy 1 year ago
Interesting, I would have gone all in with a low pocket just like Muenz because judging on the high raises pre flop, there's a chance that a lot of players are already holding picture cards. But I would never go all in with a 67 when I know that. Just too risky, mainly because of the possibility of a high card win.
rainbowcicak 1 year ago
@rainbowcicak another person with a common sense. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds Muenz as a retard and a moron. If he was gonna make a move, at least have something decent. at least low pocket pair or Ace high. and 4 betting to 3 players front of him is plain stupidity. He had no business being in the pot. Unnecessary risk in early stage. Better to step aside and let Richter deal with Lex. Stupid play is subject to elimination.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA no lol. im taking my anger out on you going to casinos cause im not oldenough. you know how painful that is to watch others go to casinos and miss out on all the fun lol
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patatepowa 1 year ago
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patatepowa 1 year ago
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ggnub100 1 year ago 130
@ggnub100 especially when we can see the cards!
calvin1392 1 year ago
@ggnub100 everyone makes your standard comment to. poker has become a specators sport just like basketball, football and rugby. if i see something i dont like from the players who earn millions.. ill say it. they earn the right to toss around all their cash, i earn the right to say something about it since the cameras are pointing at them.
florisiznogood 8 months ago
@penney5 Hi fish. You must also be having inferiority complex against lex, just like rice316. lex is pro. you are noob.
in poker, i learned that out of every poker players, less than 10 percent of players are winning players over long run. i am a profiting player who played over 2000 sngs and over 2k hands live cash games. i belong in that 10 percent. you belong in 90 percent of losing players. therefore, i am better than you. you must shut the fuck up and learn from players like me. =)
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA
OMG! Man uve gotta know that u sound ridiculous to everyone who has any idea about Poker. 2k Sngs are nothing and 2k Hands live/online are even less than nothing. Plz tell me your screenname and we can play a little. I played nearly 1 million Hands this year and i still dont think its much, cause i know many people that played more. And btw the player Lex busts is Simon Münz also known as Schnibbl0r who was one of the first german online FLHE Highstakes Players.
moshonkel 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA right so what the heck are you on about?
the squeezeplay was not him expecting to get called firstly...
and the call was just fine by lex...if you dont understand why he made those moves then you are obviously an ametur
IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos squeezeplay all in with 67 is donkey fish play. he made that play because he got owned by lex and he was angry and tilted.
lex's call was fine because he called with BETTER HAND. i understand why lex made a call. asdffdsafdsa123 doesn't and instead, he calls lex a moron for calling with k4. poker is about shipping your money in with a better hand because over the long period of time, hands even themselves out and you profit over the long run for making right decisions.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
lex is a donkey,he has never won a wsop braclet and never will,he is just bullying fellas on day1,because he knows the gonna play tight,its the biggest tourney any of these guys wud ever play.but munez is poor player,he should off reraised lex when he had 1010,2 find out where he was in the hand,just like the commentater said
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I kinda don't like Veldhuis.... everytilme he shows a bluff or call, he's like gonna vomit on the table. I don't konw what he ate the moning before playing the WSOP but for sure it did not seem to be so good...
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he's just another fucking loser. that's why he didnt even finish in 4th
mtavares92 1 year ago
You and others call Lex a moron or a fish because he call with K4. But when Allen Cunningham calls all-in bet with Q8, nobody berates him. why? if Lex is a fish, then Allen Cunningham is a bigger fish. Allen Cunningham is overrated and he sucks. New guns are takin over. Lex is the new generation of Poker. Lex, Elky, Dwan, Galfond, Obrestad, online beats live players anyday. live players suck.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA allen cunnigham didnt have 100bb u stupid piece of shit r u fucking kidding me. cunningham committed himself he had to do it. god ur so fucking stupid. muenz made the move to get 3 folds and it should have worked, if lex didnt decide to donk his chips away and got lucky with his K4. lex played well in this event, but in this hand he is the donk, only retarded fish like u dont know it. ha u dont even know y allen shoved his Q8 and u think K4 is great call, retarded cunt
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 allen cunningham didn't shove, you stupid fuckbrain. allen called with q8. cunningham is worse than muenz. muenz at least try to steal pot and just fail miserably. allen tries to win by a showdown with q8. therefore, he is calling station donkey. lex played k4 like a professional. he's no donk. k4 is a great call because he called with better hand and knew muenz is bluffing because he is angry and steamed at lex. lex thinks one step ahead of muenz and cunningham. lex is pro.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA i didnt see the hand, but im guessing cunnigham raised and then called a shove, yes im pretty sure he was committed, so yes the situation is completely different, and ur a retard for not seeing it. lex's call with K4 is a moronic donk play and he was lucky to win
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123
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PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA ya he committed himself, automatic call, ur a moron for thinking its in any way related to this hand
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 "committed" typical donkey you are. If he was going to be committed, why don't he just go all in? In Poker, if you raise, there are two ways to win the pot. You win by making your opponent fold or you win by showdown. If you call, there's only one way to win and that is by showdown. If Cuntingham went all in, he can seek two ways to win and look like lesser idiot than Muenz since Q8 is better than 67. Cunningham tries to win by showdown with donkey rag hand Q8.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA god ur so fucking stupid, i dont think logically? Lex put in 4k, another 15k to call and only 2k more in the pot, he also has plenty of chips, prob over 80bb, so he could fold and still be deep stacked. cunningham on the other hand has 10bb or less if he folds, so hes committed to the hand, if he folds he prob wont find another hand to play. r u really telling me u cant see this? u need to check urself into a fking asylum or better yet a zoo
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 if cunningham is gonna be "committed" to Lex's 4-bet all-in, why don't he just go all in from the start and make himself look less like an idiot compared to Muenz since Q8 is better than 67. when you go all in or raise, you win the pot in two ways. when you call, you only win in one way. cunningham tries to win by showdown with q8. q8 is a donkey rag hand. only donkeys try to win showdown with q8. He was suppose to go all in or fold if he was going to be "committed"
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 so it's ok for allen to call with q8 preflop all-in but not ok for lex to call all in with k4? you are stupid person who cannot think logical. you are a hypocrite. Lex call with k4 because he read Muenz as stupid tilted steamed boy and he was correct. Allen thought he can outlex lex like norman said but he was wrong. allen got outplayed by lex. allen is noob. lex is pro. that is why allen is eliminated. don't call lex's play donk when he is better than both of us combined.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA lex might have read muenz correctly but when he called wut happened? it was a coinflip u fucking retard. u must have been in a special ed class at school because u clearly have problems learning. ive told u so many times a coinflip is the best lex can hope for, so its not a good more when ur getting 1.75:1 on about 70% of ur stack. when u call hoping for a coinflip u should be short stacked and desperate, K4 is a bad call no matter how u look at it. thats y the pros r shocked
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 Pros are shocked because they're impressed how sick Lex is. Cunningham is a bad player. he is overrated. he saw lex call with k4 against muenz. that hand shows table that lex is loose-aggro player who calls light. it was a clear message to table "don't fuck with me". cunningham tries to play back with Q8? allen is donkey noob. talk all you want. in the end, results speak for themselves. stupid plays are subject to elimination. they played stupid. that's why they are eliminated.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA is that y lex got eliminated from the wsop? because he made stupid plays, thats exactly wut ur saying, because ur too much of a retarded fucking donk to understand the concept of variance. wut lex did was -ev, u r the only one who doesnt get it here, every1 else knows. cunningham was short stacked, i already told u the situations are completely unrelated, and i explained y, so y do u still bring it up u fucking retard, are u really this stupid, or r u just messing with me i cant tel
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 it was a horrible call...end of story, to risk it with k4 on a final table wtf does he think he's up agaist k3? most of the time he's drawing dead to a king if he's lucky.
artysm7 1 year ago
@artysm7 it wasnt final table, and u dont know why he called this: pay for table image? and you dont know how many chips he had behind, u cant just say: that was mistake...
trinnn2 1 year ago
@trinnn2 you are smart. lex makes good call for table image also. that is one thing i didn't see. this builds good table image also. this calls shows people "don't fuck with me". stupid allen still tries to play back with Q8 even when he see lexs table image of calling all in with k4. allen cunningham is noob. allen was suppose to realize that lex doesn't fold even with k4. but he tries to play back with q8. allen is noob donkey. lex is pro.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 lex got eliminated because he played stupid on day 2. Stupid plays are subject to elimination. Muenz and Cunningham played stupid on day 1 against Lex. That is why they are eliminated. Watch and learn, you stupid fuckbrain. Lex call with K4 is bad but cunningham calling with Q8 is not? Committed is not an excuse. stupid donkey. if he is going to be committed, why didn't he go all in? if lex is a donk, then allen is a bigger donkey.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA they arnt shocked because they thought lex made a great call, theyre shocked because lex made a completely donk call that only an amateur like u would make
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 i am amateur and you are beginner retarded fish. amateur>beginner retarded fish. you are horrible player who just hate lex because he is too good. lex does plays that you and i would not have done. i would have folded k4. but why did lex call? because there was something he read that muenz was bluffing. and he was right. he shipped his money in when he is favorite. over long run, hands even themselves out and you profit.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA do u not understand plain English u stupid motherfucker. coinflip means 50/50, they have an equal chance of winning, or close enuf that makes no difference. "even out over time" u retarded peice of shit, if u run K4 against 67 100 times K4 might have still lost money so it the 3% doesnt matter, how many times do u expect to be in this type of coinflip situation, u think muenz will play enuf of K4 vs 67 or similar hands for it to even out over his life time, i doubt it.
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA technically lex is the favorite, practically theres no fucking difference. on the other hand if we run this same play over 100 times and lex calls all ins with hands like K4 i think youll find lex will be dominated a lot of the time.
you are shocked because u think lex made a sick call, thats your opinion. you dont share this same opinion with the pros, u stupid piece of shit, and you know it. none of the pros think that was a good call, and pro> amateur right? u fking retard
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA no u will never advance beyond the simplest concepts in poker unless ur 10 years old and ur brain still has time to develop, good luck living life with sub 90 IQ, sum day u will become a janitor, and u will play 10 year olds during recess and take their lunch money. that will be ur life, i personally think you should slit ur fucking wrists right now and get it over with, i truly believe u will be doing the world a favour.
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 you think you are smart but you are blinded by egocentrism. you are very stupid. you are reflecting yourself in the mirror and trying to scapegoat your characteristics to me. admit yourself and you can live your life freely. did doctors say you have sub 90 IQ? you must've been playing 10 year olds.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 i also came back from casino last night. i have won almost $400 in $1/$3 stake because there was stupid old man who thinks like you and went all in with TJ when I have pocket Kings. just because i make many 3-bets and he thinks i'm bluffing, he goes all in with TJ. "he be bluffing, so therefore, all in" mindset you have is bad just like muenz and that must go away from your brain. that is your leak.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA ok seriously. all that crap you just said. really backwards. lex never called thinking he was ahead...
he called cus he was getting the right odds to outdraw the guy
IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos
I think both played that pretty badly tbh. With 67h and 60 BB, he was definitely tilting and just wanted to pick up blinds, he was 99 percent sure he would have won the pot right there. The call with K4 is pretty bad too imho. I love Lex, but he is definitely not getting odds to call with that hand, he's getting less than 2:1, and K4 is complete trash. Even if he knew Muenz was weak, that's still a bad call. Coin flip at best, very likely dominated.
Mk927 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos he call becuz he know what he is doing and he was right. that is why he won. muenz is stupid. that is why he got eliminated. in poker, there are two ways to get eliminated. stupid play and unlucky. which category does this go to? stupid play. he played stupid, so he got eliminated. he put his chips in behind. so he lost.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos ^ correct. 14k to win 25k. Poor ol' Muenz made the mistake in thinking he had fold equity. Lex was trying to find a way out of calling when he looked disgusted.
Also hey uploader, I've been on an 'ihatehelmuth' kick, can you upload me a 1 video compilation of terrible hellmuth calls? there's a bunch of really good ones vs durrrr and at least 1 really good one against obrestad.
squarerabbits 1 year ago
@squarerabbits you are smart. muenz is stupid. muenz made mistake. he thinks he has fold equity against 3 players. everyone here calls lex a donk or noob for calling with k4 but nobody talks about muenz 4-betting with 67 against 3 players. muenz is horrible. he played stupid. that is why he got eliminated. you are a smart player to know this and speak it out. lex is pro. muenz is noob. this is why lex is team pokerstars and muenz is nobody.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
although in a tournament you don't use straight pot odds like you do in cash games. I think you can barely make the case for folding in this situation. Maybe. A call here you can't criticize, but a fold is barely ok too, IMO. Just barely.
squarerabbits 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos Speaking mathmatically only here, taking NOTHING else into consideration but cold hard + or - cEV , Lex is gettin 1.7 to 1, and would need at least 37 percent equity:
Even though muenz is shoving 76s here, he'd have to be doing it just that wide, for it to be barly right.. 22+ a10s+ ajo+ 76s+
Just by watching the hand it would never put muenz on that wide of a range, however Lex either knew it was that wide, and possibly wider, or he just liked that it was s000ted.. lol
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago 9
@asdffdsafdsa123 are you going to defend the stupid old man who went all in with TJ because it was $200 to win $50? if he folded, he would have $200 stack. i never made easy money like this before because of donkeys like you who think like muenz. so keep supporting muenz and keep hating lex because in the end, fishes like you make stupid moves and we regulars and professionals and anyone with common sense make money. keep calling with atc and say committed bcz it's how we make $.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA ya he put in 75% of his stack with K4 to give himself a loose image, its probably redundant by now to call u a moron so just fuck you. doctors told me i have an iq of 90? wut r u 3? if i made that insult its gotta be pretty obv i have a higher iq than 90, or iq would be a sensitive subject and i wouldn't broach it. god u really r stupid. lex had a donk image not just loose. " scape your characteristics onto me" lol thats good english. r u a native speaker? already explained 2 u
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA allen was very short stacked and he thought it was time to make a move, just so happens lex had KK, he doesnt have that very often. if he didnt have a hand he would be forced to fold because allen had committed himself, he had to call after his raise. ive already explained to u how the two situations are completely different, but its not really a wonder that u realized why. and yeh u gotta love the story about the "old man" lol. " i bested a donk playing at 1/3 who doesnt care about
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 Hi donkey fuckbrain. if allen was very short stacked, then why didn't he go all in? in poker, there are two ways to win the pot. when you shove, you have fold equity and you win by making people fold or win by showdown. when you call, there's only one way to win and that is showdown. allen tries to win by showdown with rag q8. allen is a calling station donkey. he got owned and outplayed by lex. lex is pro.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA wow thats funny coz u actually described meunz play in ur first reply, and then u say going all in with 10J is smarter than 67. its hard to believe ur really that stupid, but i guess ill try to explain it to u 1 more time. like u just said, both muenz and the old man made that play or should have made that play to get folds and win the pot without a flop. This means 10J is actually a worse hand to shove with as a bluff because u r more likely to be dominated than with 67.
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 if allen was gonna be "committed"to 4-bet lex all-in, why didn't he just go all-in from start? you should try reading about how to play short-stack poker. when you become short-stack, you only have two options. you either go all-in or you fold. if allen was going to be "committed", why didn't he go all-in so that he can make himself look better than muenz since q8 is better than 67. allen tries to win by showdown with q8. allen is calling station donkey.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA NO1 CALLS A 4 BET SHOVE HOPING FOR A COINFLIP U STUPID FUCKING CUNT, U RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT. when u call with small pairs usualy the best u can hope for is a coinflip, do u call 4 bet shoves with low pockets? i would usually fold even if i think the guy who shoved into me was bluffing, because too very likely i would be drawn out anyway
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA rofl no. your really clueless.
theres a reason he SIGHED when he called. he felt he was behind. but getting 2-1 pot odds. it was worth a call....
thats why he called. nobody thinks they are ahead calling 15k with k4 suited. do you not get that,..
IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos he SIGHED bczx he was hoping his hand hold up. it is worth the call. then why is it 'moronic'? you and i believe he made a good call whether he is ahead or could've been behind. asdffdsa calls lex a moron for calling with k4. so wait, lex is a moron for calling with k4 but muenz is not when he shoves with 67? muenz makes unnecessary risk. he had no business being in the pot. just fold, step aside, let richter deal with lex. he played stupid, that is why he is eliminated.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 you mention in lex vs ivey hand that ivey will not likely push because lex is committed. but ivey pushed and lex folded KJ even when he put 1/3 of his stack. when lex thinks hes beat, he lets go. that is professional. allen doesnt' know how to let go and calls with q8. this is why lex is better than allen. lex owned allen. lex is pro and new generation of poker
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA fuck ur a stupid cunt. lex was in a cash game, very big difference. he was also way deeper, prob started with about 200bb. of course he can fold after committing 1/3 of his stack, but lex can rebuy after the hand, he also has plenty deep enuf for play, he doesnt have to worry about getting a hand and shoving b4 the blinds eat him up. allen only had a few BB left when he raised and if he folded his hand he would have to make a shove pretty soon with a very weak hand anyway, so y not
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA shove when he is committed. Allen obv reraised because he felt it would look stronger than just open shoving, which it does, only a moron like u cant see this. ya he sould just shove all in to "make himself look better" u sadly retarded fuck only u would fold Q8 after comitting urself to try and play with about 10bb left in a tourney of several thousand players. SUM1 WILL CALL A 4 BET SHOVE WITH POCKET 7s - 10s??? U R INSANE, CHECK URSELF INTO A MENTAL INSTITUTION.
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 you are a retard. raising most of your chips as a reraise is a sign of weakness. they want to scare their opponent but they're scared to commit all of their chips. when i was holding a set and instantly went all in to players who raise most of their chips, they call with bad hands, not even a top pair. i seen this pattern many times. allen played like scared donkey. learn how to play short stack strategy, you fish. when you are short stacked, you should go all in or fold.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 sure. if i put my opponent on stupid hand like ace rag. i will call with 77-TT. He can be on tilt and go all in with Ace-rag. If I can read my opponent well, like the way Lex read Muenz, I will call with 77-TT since 77-TT is BETTER HAND than their range. Poker is about shipping your money in with a better hand.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA the money and therefore i am better than muenz." u realize muenz can actually think right? no u dont even realize other ppl can think and be creative playing their hand, because u r a robot, u just cant think ur too stupid, u dont have the creativity. im done reasoning with u, my lucid reasoning is lost on ur infantile pea sized brain. ive explained it all to u so well but u just cant learn, u come back with that same argument coz u dont have to capacity to think beyond it, fuck you
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 muenzs level equates to old man's level. old man might be better because he went all in with TJ instead of 67. you are blinded by egocentrism and you are having very hard time understanding that you are very retarded. why are you having hard time learning that going all in with 67 is retarded? muenz played stupid, that is why he is eliminated.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA ie. sum1 might call with 1010, JJ, maybe AJ. even AK or AQ is in better shape against 10J than 67. u are a moron for not knowing this, just look at the number of people replying to u telling u how dumb u r, and u still say im the only one who disagrees with u? who do u think is right, 1 little retard who has played about 5k hands of poker against a few donks, or every other poker player that has replied to u
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 sum1 might call with 77,88,99,1010 is in better shape against 67 than TJ. u are a moron for not knowing this. just look at the number of people saying how stupid muenz is and he deserve to lose. i believe i am right and you are wrong. i am a profiting player, so therefore, i know what i'm talking about. you are a losing player who cannot show any proof. lex is a professional, so he knows what he is doing.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA i am not a losing player u r, move up and u will know soon enuf just how much of a fish u really r. u dont know a fucking thing and u will never improve because ur too stupid to think for urself and u wont listen to ur better peers. u r a useless cunt and u will always play only for nickles and dimes
asdffdsafdsa123 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 check my sharkscope you fucking retarded cunt. i am a winning player. you have no proof that you're a winning player. i started playing live and i have won over $3000 now. i will move up to $2/$4 next time I go to casino. so don't worry about me and fix your retarded fucked brain and your game please. i know what i am doing and i have been profiting over the long run. are you illiterate? i play $1/$2 cash live and $2 and $5 sngs mixed online.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA bahaha. no. when he called the shove he was almost always behind. he knew this when he called. he did not expect to be ahead or he would have fist pumped. Poker involves calls where you know you are behind some times but call anyway because you know your priced in money vs probability. you need to relearn the game because from the sounds of it. you really dont know the complete basics
IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos i know how to play this game. did muenz make stupid play? yes. lex called with k4. whether he could've been ahead or behind, it was right call. he called with better hand and that's all it matters at the end of the day. right decisions are paid off over long period of time. i would've folded. lex called. this is why i'm sitting here watching him and he's up there in 10k event killing everyone.
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA funny you say that. because half of the people on this page seem to be arguing stratrgy with you. face it. you dont quiet know the game like you think you do.
But he was priced in to call...getting 2-1 on the odds. was worth it unless the guy had aces kings. any other 2 hands. and he was getting the right price to call on his money.
IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos Did it ever occur to you that over 90% of poker players all over the world are losing players? I belong in 10% category of winning player. Therefore, I couldn't care what noobs like asdf or you say.
Not only Aces and Kings. A4, AK, KQ, KJ, KT, K9, K8, K7, K6, K5 would make him 3:1 underdog. He put Muenz as stupid tilted, steamed boy angry at him and put him on very weak range. And he was correct. Even when he was, why do people call Lex a donk? Jealousy i must say?
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@asdffdsafdsa123 ignore that donk. if you look at his sharkscope hes up $43 playing $1 tornaments lol. hes a joke
IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA rofl lets see some results.
and im a profitting player too.
but i sure as hell dont beleive you are. prove me wrong
IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos go sharkscope me. my name is my full tilt name. I go to this place called Casino Morongo often that is located in Cabazon, California. they offer $1/$3 ring game and I have won over $2000 there. i proven myself. now it's your turn. you play online? can you prove your winnings?
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
@PoKeRFoRNiA lol casino 1/3 is a joke. most people who play that are learning poker. live isnt a challenge unless you move up to 2/4 3/6 area. and yeah. im up online. feel free 2 search my accounts on sharky
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IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos i mention that i am a learning player in the past. i still am. learning never stops. I am a winning player at 1/3. so therefore, that's all it matters at the end of the day. i play poker to make money. poker is about making money. don't you like money?
PoKeRFoRNiA 1 year ago
also i checked your sharkscope. your pathetic. you buyin for $1 and you have an average roi of -38% with a profit of 43...your hardly in a spot where you can talk yourself up
IMakeBoringVideos 1 year ago
@IMakeBoringVideos I am a profiting player. and that's what it matters at the end of the day. Vin Diesel said in past "It don't matter if