For most of the earth's existence people believed that sun went around the earth, it's only recently that heliocentric came around. There isn't anything that can prove the sun is the center more than the earth is the center, from a scientific standpoint. Even Einstein agreed with that.
We have all been indoctrinated with the copernican view. Truth is, Copernicus had zero proof of his concept. Check with NASA. NASA uses calculations for all launches based on a stationary earth model. Satellites too. Physicists will tell you that the universe is finite...a closed system...and in ANY closed system, ANY point (the earth) can be used as a fixed reference point and no laws of physics are violated. So one can imagine the earth does not move and be just as correct as anyone else.
I do not believe in geocentrism, NOR do I believe in the bible...that was my Jehovah's witness friend, who was drunk when he made these postings (though he DOES believe in what he wrote), and he is going to get a fucking ear full for posting these comments under my name!
I can't believe nobody's brought up to that geocentrist idiot the obvious evidence for a rotating earth: the fact that hurricanes spin. Look at tornadoes too, which spin in opposite directions depending on your hemosphere. Hell, look at water spiral down the drain! It spirals in the opposite direction depending on which hemoshere it's in!
Further explanation is necessary. Saying it doesn't do a damn thing to back up your case unless you can explain how it works. You're going to have a hard time getting anyone else to believe you unless you can provide scientific evidence that makes it through peer review.
To be technically correct the sun and earth revolve around their common center of gravity but since the sun is so much bigger it is located actually inside of the sun
"Earth is solid and sun is supposedly gases using nuclear fuel, so it would weigh less."
Gravity is determined by mass, not density (mass/volume). Do you have any idea how massive the sun is? The gravity well is immense relative to the size of our solar system; even Jupiter pales in comparison.
No, I for one do not believe venomfangx, I believe the Bible and real observational evidence in regard to this topic. I'm not American either. Stupidist is not a proper word. So perhaps you are contributing...
Heliocentrism is not proven. Please give us some evidence.. Actually, just answer me this question: According to heliocentrists, in what direction does the moon orbit the Earth?
Erm... bro. People have been into space. They have set up satellites that have recorded the orbit of the Earth. Do you study physics? Because the necessity of Earth orbiting the sun can be proven if you look at the laws of conservation of momentum and Newtons Laws.
Recorded the orbit of the Earth? Don't you mean the (alleged) ccw spin of the Earth? But no, they have not recorded such a thing as far as I am aware, but if so, show me a video of it if you can find it, please.
The conservation of momentum law is not needed to be inferred if the Earth is motionless. The sun is travelling through the ether, as are the rest of the celestial bodies. Relativity is nonsense. Just read up on what Nikola Tesla said of it, for one.
It does. The sun exerts a gravitational force on the Earth and the Earth exerts an equal and opposite force on the sun. The Earth exerts a gravitational force on the Sun and the sun exerts and equal and opposite force on the Earth. Since the Earth is less massive the Earth accelerates towards the Sun, this is what provides the centripetal force necessary for the Earth to orbit the sun. Since the linear motion of the Earth is at a right angle to said acceleration, circular motion occurs.
Why exactly would conservation not be needed if the Earth was motionless? If the Earth was motionless; then the law of conservation of momentum would be broken since there would be a force acting without motion.
You could say that the sun has momentum, but what momentum would the Earth need to conserve if it were motionless, as I claim? That's all I was saying.
Also, why can't you answer my question regarding the moon? What direction does it move according to the helio concept?
And as I said in my first post, the Michelson-Morley experiments showed the Earth to be motionless. They tried desperately to get around it though. Then along came Einstein with his relativity nonsense to help the helios.
the moon travels counter-clockwise around the earth. It is the relatively rapid daily spin of the earth from west to east that causes the apparent motion. The moon takes a whole month to orbit earth; in that time 27+ days have gone by on earth.... Also the Earth is not large enough to hold the sun in an orbit around it.
Yes, the moon would seemingly 'hang' there in the sky (due to speed), while the earth spins ccw, but the spinning motion is assumed, not proven. My point is, WYSIWYG. The Earth is motionless, while the celestial bodies orbit the earth, which is in the center of the finite universe. Planets do seem to orbit the sun, but the sun orbits the Earth, as does the moon. There is no tilt of the Earth, and no spin of any kind.
I am sure you are aware that there is more than one theory of gravity, right?
what about the Chandra and Compton space telescope? Wouldn't those telescopes burn up on there travel into the solar system if they were to pass the sun? even if the sun were a red dwarf.... How would there be phases of the moon and Venus? If there is no tilt of the earth wouldn't there be no polar ice caps? explain to me the theory of gravity.
what about the Hubble space telescope and the UV pictures it took of the universe? explain to me the seasons and if your going to explain the helix theory please be very specific.
just curious as to what you believe. I'm trying to be open minded and forget everything I was taught about the universe to see your point of view. so please explain
I'm sure you're aware that every bit of scientific evidence, both obvious and no so obvious completely contradicts everything you just said right? That's what scientists are for, to learn things about the universe. Yes, it HAS been proven hat the Earth rotates and we even have video of it rotating...LOTS of video.
And thats the most ovbious point,the earth is not large enough to hold the sun in orbit! There are so many reasons why the geocentrisim argument is wrong but surely this point even kids could understand.
"Relativity is nonsense." Wow, it's a good thing that relativity isn't used today in consumer products, labs, and strongly supported theory...oh wait...it is. Of course, you wouldn't be educated enough to know that without knowledge of relativity, GPSs wouldn't work. If you were, you wouldn't spew such trash out of your mouth.
The theory of relativity is rubbish. Yes, that's right. How is the cosmological paradigm of relativity used for consumer products? GPS's do not need relativity. Please explain what you mean..
By the way, your so-called knowledge has no wisdom. Educate a thief, and you only give him greater capacity to steal. You have been trained not to question the schooling (indoctrination) propaganda. Einstein had to come along and fix a problem that the Michelson-Morley experiments showed..no Earth movement
funny video you have here... VenomfangX seems to be the one who loves truth, and REAL observational astronomical science. Did you know that all astronomical calculations are based on a non-moving Earth? Typical that you interjected the evolution myth into your rant, seeing as though heliocentrism and evolution are inseparable. Even the 'quackulated' amazingly huge distances to stars are based on unproved assumptions of the earth going around the sun. The Earth was proven to be still in the 1800s
You believe that idiot Venomfangx, good god, are you all retarded. Heliocentrism is a PROVEN FACT. Wow, this is why america is the stupidest country on the planet. cre8ivmind, great video you have here.
@cre8ivmind ...no, it's not a fact. See my other comment. In any closed system, any point can be used as a fixed reference point and no laws of physics are violated. So the earth can be thought of as stationary and the universe revolving around it in a spiral up/down pattern. It makes no difference physics wise. On the other hand, why does the earth not leave particles in it's wake (if it orbits) like comets? Do not say gravity, it's too weak a force.
@cre8ivmind u can make anything u like to into a scientific fact. its just a matter of how u formulate the problem. u basically just need enough people to believe in it. then its a fact!
Some things that Scientists believe can be wrong yes. For example, the whole Higgs field mechanism. However; the Earth and all the planets orbit the Sun. This is something that has been proven several times over using various techniques.
If we were to debate venomFangX on this he would state that we can't trust Science or use science to proove this and he would cite a half-assed teacher that agrees with him. He would state we can only trust God and the Bible. He is killing Christianity and as a Christian I am unhappy.
So he believes the sun revolves around the Earth.Whats next?He thinks gravity is a myth?What a dumbass.I was at least 5 or 6,and was obsessed with astronomy,and I though geocentrism was dead and long gone.What era is Shanw living in?If Galileio was live today,he would have kicked his ass.
It seems to me that VenomFangX has such a following of YT Xians; I wonder why this is -- I would like to ask him, "Why is it that so many Christians revolve around Uranus?"
well i think you might be misinterpreting it all. The Bible does say that the Earth is the center of God's creation. That could explain why it is getting so mixed up. But i dunno...i'm a psych major.
VFX said the sun and all the planets orbit the earth and even gave a link trying to prove it. This all happened when he was having a chat room debate with Kabane
For most of the earth's existence people believed that sun went around the earth, it's only recently that heliocentric came around. There isn't anything that can prove the sun is the center more than the earth is the center, from a scientific standpoint. Even Einstein agreed with that.
pgfracing 7 months ago
We have all been indoctrinated with the copernican view. Truth is, Copernicus had zero proof of his concept. Check with NASA. NASA uses calculations for all launches based on a stationary earth model. Satellites too. Physicists will tell you that the universe is finite...a closed system...and in ANY closed system, ANY point (the earth) can be used as a fixed reference point and no laws of physics are violated. So one can imagine the earth does not move and be just as correct as anyone else.
KJVWordofGod 1 year ago
This was all sorted out over 500 years ago by galileo.
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 1 year ago
PLEASE SEARCH IN THE YOUTUBE FOR VIDEOS NAMED ; MEKKI SEGHIER
mekkiseghier2002 1 year ago
I do not believe in geocentrism, NOR do I believe in the bible...that was my Jehovah's witness friend, who was drunk when he made these postings (though he DOES believe in what he wrote), and he is going to get a fucking ear full for posting these comments under my name!
Bongofury361 2 years ago
I would like to point out that I, Bongofury361, did not make the previous assertions for geocentrism...it was my drunk, Jehovah's witness friend!
Bongofury361 2 years ago
I can't believe nobody's brought up to that geocentrist idiot the obvious evidence for a rotating earth: the fact that hurricanes spin. Look at tornadoes too, which spin in opposite directions depending on your hemosphere. Hell, look at water spiral down the drain! It spirals in the opposite direction depending on which hemoshere it's in!
Just one of many nails in the coffin.
HelplessVictim 2 years ago
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Bongofury361 2 years ago
"revolving universe would do the same"
Further explanation is necessary. Saying it doesn't do a damn thing to back up your case unless you can explain how it works. You're going to have a hard time getting anyone else to believe you unless you can provide scientific evidence that makes it through peer review.
On a side note: is English your first language?
HelplessVictim 2 years ago
The speed of the stars in the celestial arch... The more far they are, the more fast they must turn around us...
For example, a star at 10,000 Ly would cover nothing less than 15,079,644,960Ly/h... ^^
Acrimonator 2 years ago
"There is no tilt of the Earth, and no spin of any kind. "
Huh??? OMG! What century do you live in?
19justme51 2 years ago
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Bongofury361 2 years ago
To be technically correct the sun and earth revolve around their common center of gravity but since the sun is so much bigger it is located actually inside of the sun
sonofdazhbog 2 years ago 7
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Bongofury361 2 years ago
"Earth is solid and sun is supposedly gases using nuclear fuel, so it would weigh less."
Gravity is determined by mass, not density (mass/volume). Do you have any idea how massive the sun is? The gravity well is immense relative to the size of our solar system; even Jupiter pales in comparison.
HelplessVictim 2 years ago
No, I for one do not believe venomfangx, I believe the Bible and real observational evidence in regard to this topic. I'm not American either. Stupidist is not a proper word. So perhaps you are contributing...
Heliocentrism is not proven. Please give us some evidence.. Actually, just answer me this question: According to heliocentrists, in what direction does the moon orbit the Earth?
bigNcube 3 years ago
Erm... bro. People have been into space. They have set up satellites that have recorded the orbit of the Earth. Do you study physics? Because the necessity of Earth orbiting the sun can be proven if you look at the laws of conservation of momentum and Newtons Laws.
Chirios1 3 years ago
Recorded the orbit of the Earth? Don't you mean the (alleged) ccw spin of the Earth? But no, they have not recorded such a thing as far as I am aware, but if so, show me a video of it if you can find it, please.
The conservation of momentum law is not needed to be inferred if the Earth is motionless. The sun is travelling through the ether, as are the rest of the celestial bodies. Relativity is nonsense. Just read up on what Nikola Tesla said of it, for one.
bigNcube 3 years ago
It does. The sun exerts a gravitational force on the Earth and the Earth exerts an equal and opposite force on the sun. The Earth exerts a gravitational force on the Sun and the sun exerts and equal and opposite force on the Earth. Since the Earth is less massive the Earth accelerates towards the Sun, this is what provides the centripetal force necessary for the Earth to orbit the sun. Since the linear motion of the Earth is at a right angle to said acceleration, circular motion occurs.
Chirios1 3 years ago
Why exactly would conservation not be needed if the Earth was motionless? If the Earth was motionless; then the law of conservation of momentum would be broken since there would be a force acting without motion.
Chirios1 3 years ago 2
You could say that the sun has momentum, but what momentum would the Earth need to conserve if it were motionless, as I claim? That's all I was saying.
Also, why can't you answer my question regarding the moon? What direction does it move according to the helio concept?
And as I said in my first post, the Michelson-Morley experiments showed the Earth to be motionless. They tried desperately to get around it though. Then along came Einstein with his relativity nonsense to help the helios.
bigNcube 3 years ago
the moon travels counter-clockwise around the earth. It is the relatively rapid daily spin of the earth from west to east that causes the apparent motion. The moon takes a whole month to orbit earth; in that time 27+ days have gone by on earth.... Also the Earth is not large enough to hold the sun in an orbit around it.
NyxLuna452 2 years ago
Yes, the moon would seemingly 'hang' there in the sky (due to speed), while the earth spins ccw, but the spinning motion is assumed, not proven. My point is, WYSIWYG. The Earth is motionless, while the celestial bodies orbit the earth, which is in the center of the finite universe. Planets do seem to orbit the sun, but the sun orbits the Earth, as does the moon. There is no tilt of the Earth, and no spin of any kind.
I am sure you are aware that there is more than one theory of gravity, right?
bigNcube 2 years ago
what about the Chandra and Compton space telescope? Wouldn't those telescopes burn up on there travel into the solar system if they were to pass the sun? even if the sun were a red dwarf.... How would there be phases of the moon and Venus? If there is no tilt of the earth wouldn't there be no polar ice caps? explain to me the theory of gravity.
NyxLuna452 2 years ago
what about the Hubble space telescope and the UV pictures it took of the universe? explain to me the seasons and if your going to explain the helix theory please be very specific.
just curious as to what you believe. I'm trying to be open minded and forget everything I was taught about the universe to see your point of view. so please explain
NyxLuna452 2 years ago
I'm sure you're aware that every bit of scientific evidence, both obvious and no so obvious completely contradicts everything you just said right? That's what scientists are for, to learn things about the universe. Yes, it HAS been proven hat the Earth rotates and we even have video of it rotating...LOTS of video.
SushiBand 2 years ago
And thats the most ovbious point,the earth is not large enough to hold the sun in orbit! There are so many reasons why the geocentrisim argument is wrong but surely this point even kids could understand.
1THETRUTH10 2 years ago
"Relativity is nonsense." Wow, it's a good thing that relativity isn't used today in consumer products, labs, and strongly supported theory...oh wait...it is. Of course, you wouldn't be educated enough to know that without knowledge of relativity, GPSs wouldn't work. If you were, you wouldn't spew such trash out of your mouth.
TBucker 2 years ago
The theory of relativity is rubbish. Yes, that's right. How is the cosmological paradigm of relativity used for consumer products? GPS's do not need relativity. Please explain what you mean..
By the way, your so-called knowledge has no wisdom. Educate a thief, and you only give him greater capacity to steal. You have been trained not to question the schooling (indoctrination) propaganda. Einstein had to come along and fix a problem that the Michelson-Morley experiments showed..no Earth movement
bigNcube 2 years ago
funny video you have here... VenomfangX seems to be the one who loves truth, and REAL observational astronomical science. Did you know that all astronomical calculations are based on a non-moving Earth? Typical that you interjected the evolution myth into your rant, seeing as though heliocentrism and evolution are inseparable. Even the 'quackulated' amazingly huge distances to stars are based on unproved assumptions of the earth going around the sun. The Earth was proven to be still in the 1800s
bigNcube 3 years ago
WOW ARE YOU PEOPLE RETARDED???
You believe that idiot Venomfangx, good god, are you all retarded. Heliocentrism is a PROVEN FACT. Wow, this is why america is the stupidest country on the planet. cre8ivmind, great video you have here.
badfish2009 3 years ago 2
We should believe in heliocentrism because....?
Avg501 3 years ago
Because it is scientific fact. However, you don't have to believe what's been scientifically accepted as fact if you don't want to.
cre8ivmind 3 years ago
@cre8ivmind ...no, it's not a fact. See my other comment. In any closed system, any point can be used as a fixed reference point and no laws of physics are violated. So the earth can be thought of as stationary and the universe revolving around it in a spiral up/down pattern. It makes no difference physics wise. On the other hand, why does the earth not leave particles in it's wake (if it orbits) like comets? Do not say gravity, it's too weak a force.
KJVWordofGod 1 year ago
@cre8ivmind u can make anything u like to into a scientific fact. its just a matter of how u formulate the problem. u basically just need enough people to believe in it. then its a fact!
CT2507 1 year ago
Could it be wrong what you learned?
fredontube 3 years ago
Some things that Scientists believe can be wrong yes. For example, the whole Higgs field mechanism. However; the Earth and all the planets orbit the Sun. This is something that has been proven several times over using various techniques.
Chirios1 3 years ago
Did he actually say the word geocentrism?
jayleis 3 years ago
Is it true that Galileo retracted his support for heliocentrism before he died?
patrissimo 3 years ago
Have you read Robert Sungenis' book "Galileo was Wrong, The Church was Right"?
tlingren 3 years ago
If we were to debate venomFangX on this he would state that we can't trust Science or use science to proove this and he would cite a half-assed teacher that agrees with him. He would state we can only trust God and the Bible. He is killing Christianity and as a Christian I am unhappy.
TamesisNamesis 3 years ago
So he believes the sun revolves around the Earth.Whats next?He thinks gravity is a myth?What a dumbass.I was at least 5 or 6,and was obsessed with astronomy,and I though geocentrism was dead and long gone.What era is Shanw living in?If Galileio was live today,he would have kicked his ass.
MonkeyOctober 3 years ago
It seems to me that VenomFangX has such a following of YT Xians; I wonder why this is -- I would like to ask him, "Why is it that so many Christians revolve around Uranus?"
GodToldMeToHateU 3 years ago 2
"I've always been interested in astronomy"
hey, me too! *high five*
migkillertwo 3 years ago
I read the conversation on Kabane's website and my jaw dropped to the ground. That totally made my day.
Justinfh2point0 3 years ago
I think he believes the sun orbits him not the earth.
LittleTruckingBozo 3 years ago 7
Shawn believes the world revolves around him and thinks he's the shit.He is right.He IS shit.
MonkeyOctober 3 years ago 2
well i think you might be misinterpreting it all. The Bible does say that the Earth is the center of God's creation. That could explain why it is getting so mixed up. But i dunno...i'm a psych major.
jayleis 3 years ago
VFX said the sun and all the planets orbit the earth and even gave a link trying to prove it. This all happened when he was having a chat room debate with Kabane
LittleTruckingBozo 3 years ago
well there has never been a science experiment that proved that the earth was moving.
jayleis 3 years ago
"well there has never been a science experiment that proved that the earth was moving"
Lol tell me your joking and doing satire with that comment. We have done experiments such as using "stellar aberration."
LittleTruckingBozo 3 years ago
Good video man. 5/5.
rockandrock44 3 years ago
Yeah, I saw Kabane52's video as well. I witnessed this whole experience when VFX said this! Isn't it retarded?
truthforrealtruth 3 years ago