Homosexual Indoctrination and the Christian Response (Chris Neiswonger of Apologetics.com)

[AntiAtheist777]

how did you upload more then 10 minets the hole 60 minets

[000SMITH000]

Anyone who accepts Christ as their savior is immoral. If we are truly guilty of being sinners ( as the bible says) then it is up to each one of us to take care of that problem. No one else can "pay" for your sins. If you let someone else ( Christ) take the punishment for your wrongdoing, then YOU are evil. God set up an immoral plan..either accept the death of an innocent man for YOUR wrongdoings, or be tortured forever in hell. That means only sleazebags with no conscience get into heaven.

[colincoolkid]

@000SMITH000

You're analysis on accepting Christ is really bad. Just because one accepts Christ does not mean they are no longer held morally accountable for their sins; however, we are just forgive them by God.

[1ProudFemaleAtheist]

@000SMITH000

Brilliant quote. Could not agree more.

[Rikdewinter]

how will it harm you to accept homosexuality? 0:41:00

[BiJaneWhite]

Why is it always the homosexual 'indoctrination'?

Peopel are told it exists. People aren't forced to be gay.

What about, say, Christian, indoctrination? For example 1: when are the majority of school holidays? Ah, Christmas and Easter. Where did those holidays come from?

[JDFerguson77]

Thanks for posting Lane God Bless you and yours.

[Truthknower]

Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.

God's form of government is a theocracy in which God Almighty rules absolutely. Any other form of government is contrary to the will of God albeit the principle of government is ordained of God Almighty.

God bless you always. in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Marquest Burton

[chaz10bug]

As for the idea about riding on backs of apostates like warren,catholics etc to achieve the common good,how does that line up with 2John10-11, where God warns us not to associate or encourage them IN ANY WAY i.e.dont invite them into your house,dont even mention their names!His suggestion plays right into the hands of the NWO who've been looking for such opportunities for christians to join in this global human resolve.unsuspecting christians forget that they engineered the problems 4 this trap!

[chaz10bug]

do recognise that Jesus didnt come to relieve the world of it's ills-however horrid-He came to rescue the world from the consequencies of an eternity lived without God. Everything else pales in the face of this. All authentic humanitarian efforts therefore are consumated within the Gospel to achieve true change in the heart.That's how they achieved relevance in the past. The notion that we must come into alliance with apostates for mans good is only found in political philosophy and revelations

[chaz10bug]

very informative, i think what he's saying is that we must observe the biblical command to separate ourselves from apostates such as rick warren and other antichrist 'christian' denominations like the emergent/seeker sensitive churches however we can ride on the backs of their worldly influence for the common good of man. Amos3:3 says, can two people walk unless they agree? I believe this influence can be used to trick the elect into forfeiting our biblical posture and orthodox belief. careful

[BornUnderABadSign89]

teaching kids that homosexuality is not "wrong" is not the same as teaching them that it is "good"

total strawman

[MultimediaJay]

So is taking a single weak point out of an argument, debunking it, and making like you've debunked the whole argument.

[NorWes01]

Lane, you did it again! I don't know how and where you find your vids, but I always find them quite informative, your 1gig account rocks! This gentleman brings the broads and specifics together well. He's a great teacher! I encourage you to keep after our Lord Jesus Christ! Hallelujah, and God bless you bro!

[LaneCh]

Thanks for the encouragement. :)

For this one, Chris and I are actually friends, and he contacted me letting me know about this video. I was more than happy to put it up. Next week, I'll have one up by my friend, Doug Eaton, as well. Also, episode 2 of Rightly Divided should be live in the next few hours.

[crunchyorange]

To be honest, I don't see what the purpose of this entire message, speech, conference. Speaking to "concerned Christian parents" about the indoctrination in government run schools????

[MultimediaJay]

It wouldn't be about indoctrination. Just about everyone out there who tries to influence someone else indoctrinates. Government especially. There are moral statements, positions, and arguments in just about every form of government that has ever existed.

[MultimediaJay]

It's Griswold V. Connecticut. How the heck did he miss that if he did any background research whatsoever before trying to debate this topic? :-P

[MultimediaJay]

I didn't want to sound like a snoot about the Griswold V. Connecticut thing, but he really should have covered that. He talks about stuff related to Christians that only has surfaced in the last 50 years. You know what he forgot to mention? The stereotype about Christians being stupid uneducated fanatics. Go back more than 100 years or so and you'll find the clergy among the more educated people in society, and this creed has had more than its share of thinking over the centuries. =)

[MultimediaJay]

Loved the rest of the talk, but hopefully he can avoid goofs like that in the future so that our opponents will have to work a lot harder to find something to second-guess in something like this. :-)

[simongbb7]

The issue is not 'complicated'. It's about accepting that society is made up of different people. There is no 'gay agenda'. Gay people just want to live their lives without being bullied by people like this guy. This guy is living in about 30 years behind the times.

[TazHall]

I agree, they should not be abused and bullied. But I also think they should not be reshaping the whole nation to revolve around them either. I believe it is an identity problem.

They are asking for special rights when everyone is already equal under the law (when it is enforced properly). That's why I think the hate crimes bill is dumb and unnecessary, and even some gay people think so too. A murder is a murder and an assault is an assault.

[obamadidit2008]

taz, the whole world isn't entirely straight. and it isn't entirely christian. and even if it is christian, it isn't entirely HATEFUL of gay people. so i would strongly suggest to bible-thumpers to stop acting as if they are doing god a favor. when in reality, they are simply hiding behind gods skirts and projecting their OWN ignorance and bigotry onto god

[hawklanzs]

You know, I wouldn't be surprise if all this is done in preparation for the coming of the ANTI-CHRIST. The condoning of this abomination that's being taught in schools or making it LEGAL. The slow and changing of ppl's minds to Tolerate this SIN. There is something going wrong in American today thats making it WEAK. Its a fulfilment of prophecy. Many will be deceived. Beware if you're weak in God's Word. Because you need the FULL armor of GOD to protect yourself.

[hawklanzs]

Romans 1:31

they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Romans 1:32

Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Clearly the Bible states that Homosexuality is a SIN.

Widespread homosexuality is a JUDGEMENT of GOD upon those who DON'T extoll him as creator.

[hawklanzs]

ok this one is gonna blow the crap out of the water

Romans 1:27

In the same way the men also ABANDONED NATURAL RELATIONS WITH WOMEN and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

[hawklanzs]

Romans 1:25

They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

Romans 1:26

Because of this, God GAVE THEM over to shameful lusts. Even their women EXCHANGED natural relations for UNNATURAL ones.

[hawklanzs]

Romans 1:22

Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Romans 1:23

and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Romans 1:24

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to SEXUAL IMPURITY for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

[hawklanzs]

Romans 1:20

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Romans 1:21

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

[hawklanzs]

God curses Homosexuality. He says Don't do this Don't do this. Jesus said ' If you love me, Obey my commands.' And he says the scriptures cannot be broken. The Old Testament is the word of GOD and Jesus endorses it. The Old Testament is FULFILLED in the Lord Jesus Christ.

[henryforshaw]

Give me the evidence of Jesus saying trust and have faith in the old testament. Wait...there is none.

[LaneCh]

Define what kind of evidence you're looking for.

[fiffafluffy]

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: - Rom 1:26 KJV

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. - Rom 1:27 KJV

[truth4him777]

Matthew 5:17

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

[hawklanzs]

I never approve of Homosexuality. And I know for sure somewhere in the Bible that GOD does NOT APPROVE of it as well! Don't screw with GOD or twist his words. If GOD says 'Don't do this and don't do that.' and another voice comes and say 'hmmm.....did he really say that, come on...try it.'

Well buddy never listen to serpents.

[fiffafluffy]

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: - Rom 1:26 KJV

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. - Rom 1:27 KJV

[rosey4exclaim]

The state doesn't have the right to educate our children about anything, let alone homosexuality. The Bible grants that right to parents. Anyway ...

[ak1986]

Lane, that was worse video that you posted. Homosexuality is an active wrath of God. Do not apologize for God! Christians are not called to make laws to protect ourselves and allying with unbelievers. We should die for the Lord, if we have to.

[LaneCh]

Your conclusion: This is the worst video I've posted. Your reasoning: Someone is apologizing for the Lord. Can you explain who is apologizing for the Lord?

[ak1986]

Speaker trying to come up with some weird ideas. I do not even remember that if he used Scriptures on not. Our job is not protect ourselves, but preach the gospel.

[LaneCh]

Do you think that God should have placed you near Paul when Paul protected himself by invoking his Roman citizenship so you could have corrected Paul since, according to you, it's wrong to protect ourselves? (Acts 22:5)

[ak1986]

What does it have to do with homosexuality? Okay, Paul used his Roman citizenship which was given by worldly government. Paul never tried to make laws to protect himself.

[sonicattack77]

Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

If we give to satan what belongs to God what should we expect, it is the parents resposibility to teach.

[4570sharps]

Ending the unconstitutional practice of "public education" would solve a LOT of problems for Christians today (prayer in school, the perversion of studying the creation apart from its creator). It would solve a lot of political problems (ending the leftist strangle-hold on the minds of the next generation). It would solve a lot of educational problems (The need for Logic classes in grade school, the dumbing-down of society by teaching to the lowest standards for the "success" of all students).

[henryforshaw]

Christianity does not teach homosexuality is bad. It is people who neglect their intelligence and bum the bible that believe in this. Jesus teaches not to judge. What are you doing?

[LaneCh]

Jesus taught the Pharisess (hypocrites) not to judge because their judging was unrighteous. He teaches people to judge righteously. "Don't judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24)

[LaneCh]

Also, the Bible teaches that homosexuality is an abomination that people turn to when they've suppressed the truth. Lev 18:22, 20:13, 1Cor 6:9, Rom 1:26-27

[RexxFalcon]

Thats a good verse never saw it, so can you back it up with what righteous judgment is?

God Bless

[LaneCh]

Righteous judgment is not calling what God calls evil good or saying that it doesn't matter what it's called. It's calling it evil. (Isa 5:20)

[RexxFalcon]

ok so give me an example of how to judge righteously

[LaneCh]

God says that homosexuality is an abomination.  Call it an abomination.

[RexxFalcon]

yessir I don't argue with God or His Word. :D

[henryforshaw]

Right the people who wrote the old testament, how do you know they were not hypocrites, liars, sinners. Because they were MEN. Why can't we trust a lot of the old testament? Because it was written just like the Quran, by MEN who had their own objectives. Do you honestly think that these MEN were being guided to write what they wrote by God? If God is this inconsistent then we have a major problem. You are judging others not by what God has told you, what a book has told you.

[LaneCh]

Have you not thought your own position through? Your comments are comments written by a man therefore, you have to hold to all your own critiques against others and discount everything you've said if you're consistent.  Talk about inconsistency...

[henryforshaw]

I criticise my own comments, beliefs, ideas, thoughts. I don't deny my intelligence and have faith in prophets, not God.

[LaneCh]

I don't doubt that you believe that you criticize your own comments, ideas, etc. What I doubt is that you do it with much if any critical thought. Here's why: Your claim for not accepting the Bible is because it promotes religious propositions that were written by men. However, your comment in itself is a religious proposition written by yourself, a man. See the self-contradiction?

[henryforshaw]

ok right the thing is, the gospell is eye witness accounts of Jesus. I dont go telling people how to live their lives past mere morals which you would not dispute. I am disputing whether the old testament was written by homophobics basically. You are a fool not to see the clear evidence there is that homosexuality is natural.

To judge someone based on their sexuality is a sin.

[LaneCh]

Why are you just focusing on the Old Testament and ignoring the New Testament passages (Rom 1, 1Cor 6:9) ?

Also, please provide a verse for this: "To judge someone based on their sexuality is a sin." Also, reconcile you telling people how to live their lives in this statement in terms of judging and your statement saying that you don't go telling people how to live their lives past mere morals. Your inconsistencies are quite glowing.

[raphaelaaron]

yeah, lane is right, henry. you should probably read the rest of that verse you just quoted.

[Passiflora101]

Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and the needy. ~ Proverbs 31:9 ~

[EncompassedRunner]

I was impressed by his emphasis on the key point that to successfully win support for arguing against homosexuality in the school, Christians need to offer arguments other than God-says-so, which of course is reason enough for us, but not for unbelievers, & how gays have been so successful in infiltrating the schools precisely b/c they have framed their argument as the moral one (prevent bullying, support "safe schools," tolerance, etc)

[SpeedyBruin]

1. Teaching that same sex couples exist (which they do) has nothing to do with your religious freedom or freedom of speech. Trying to cast this curriculum as overly sexual is not the case either. Currently we teach children about opposite sex couples in an age appropriate way so why would this be different?

2. Gender dysphasia does not apply to gay or lesbian people. Furthermore, you seem to object to hate crime protections for this group because it's 'whatever one claims to be'. This...

[topbon2ndvalve]

Sex education should never be in the hands of the state, it's the responsibility of the parents. Your presentation of the teaching on homosexuality is a little naive, our kids will be taught (soon in the UK) homosexual technique as well as the indoctrination that homosexuality is normal/natural, far more than the fact that homosexuals exist. The government have an agenda fuelled by the gay lobby, a fundamentalist view that nobody is allowed to dissent from.

[MRKetter81]

"Furthermore, you seem to object to hate crime protections for this group because it's 'whatever one claims to be'."

Not at all, if you were listening. His rejection of hate crime has more to do with the fact that it tries to redefine the constitution in light of a thinking that was never observed when it was written.

Currently we teach children about opposite sex couples at an appropriate age, because they aren't born sexual as homosexuals otherwise purport.

[seanpaynedotnet]

Sounds like ecumenism in some parts of this though.

I don't think it is good to unite with the whore of babylon(the catholics) even if they are right on abortion, but maybe regarding morals of society it is ok, but I am weary of that.

[LaneCh]

I agree with you, but I think he's speaking mainly in the realm of secular law and not religion.

[KakkoiGuy1]

Sean, you have a good point. The Catholic church is truly in an ecumenic move and everything will fall under it's banner. It's never been Christian and still isn't even though it disguises itself as so. I agree. No unification with them. They are right on abortion yet they don't teach the Word the way its written. Kudos to you for taking the stand in your statement.

[seanpaynedotnet]

Interesting.

[JeffTheDude777]

If you(anyone) have children, get them out of govt funded schooling.

[WarrantedFaith]

I think we're on our way to losing our right to do that, too.

[samthed]

Lane, Everybody knows that it is the Jews that control Hollywood but many don't realize what this actually means. Those familiar with the TALMUD know.The Jews are the ones who have systematically DE-CHRISTIANIZED America.Total domination of Media/popular culture,control of AntiChrist ACLU,control of Education system/psychiatry,promotion of homosexuality..Christians need to stop believing John Haggees heresies stop support of israeland learn about judaism.Christ said it is the Synagogue of Satan!

[Enterprise2700]

we may disagree with the jewish religion, but antisemitism is uncalled for.

this this attitude that the jews are in control of everything and are our enemies that pushed hitler to call for there extermination. they are sinners (just like everybody else) in need of the gospel.

[tanod911]

common,you like boys that girls.make it straighe you hypocrite,you're a damn gay and you like men than gurlz ryt...common u little piece of bakla

[topbon2ndvalve]

Great video Lane, thanks. We're a little further in to the quagmire in the UK, the government is on the brink of passing a law which effects the moral teaching of Christian parents in home school. The goal, I believe, is to ban home schooling altogether. God help our children.

[MarlinMr]

Don't be afraid, if home schoolig gets banned, just move from the country. Parhaps a small group of home schooling guys could get togather and start a private school for their kids? I know this, (I am no old enough to have kisds, but) The state dont own your kids. YOU own your kids! Not only that, but you are responseble to protect them. Further more, the state belongs to we the people.

I'm a boy, if I was saying I identifyed my self as a girl, could I go and shower with the girls?

[FaithandReasons]

Keyword "GOVERNMENT" school....what else can we expect?